First Look: Evil's New Following

Mar 13, 2020
by Mike Kazimer  
Evil Following

Five years have passed since Evil first launched the Following, a time period that's seen a dramatic shift in mountain bike geometry, along with the widespread acceptance of 29” wheels. That wasn't the case when this 120mm trail bike first came out – when it debuted the seemingly slack head angle and the fact that Evil was making a 29er caused heads to turn.

For 2020, the Following has received several updates, including a longer reach, steeper seat tube angle, internal cable routing, and 12 x 157mm SuperBoost spacing. Even with all those changes, the Following's intended use remains the same – it's a trail bike through and through, although there's room to alter its personality, whether that's by installing a Push ElevenSix coil shock, or going down the lighter, more XC-oriented route.
Evil Following Details

• Wheelsize: 29"
• Carbon frame
• Travel: 120mm (r) / 120 or 130mm fork
• 66.9 or 66.4-degree head angle (130mm fork) / 67.9 or 67.2-degrees (120mm fork)
• 430 or 432mm chainstays
• 12 x 157mm SuperBoost spacing
• Colors: protein powder, black
• Price: $5,799 - $7,399 USD
• Frame only: $3,099 USD
evil-bikes.com


The frame with shock is priced at $3,099, with complete build kits beginning at $5,799 and going up to $7,399 USD. All models roll on Industry Nine's Enduro S wheels with Hydra hubs. Additional complete model options will be added later this spring, including a version with SRAM's wireless AXS components. Evil's online bike configuration tool allows riders to pick and choose various components to create their ideal spec.


Evil Following
Internal cable routing, with options for riders who run their brakes moto-style.
Evil Following
The new chainstay protector has three raised portions to keep things nice and quiet.


What's New?

The Following's frame shape has been given a nip here and a tuck there, and it has a cleaner, more angular look than before. The housing is all routed inside the frame, where internal guides help facilitate installation and prevent rattling. There's even an internal routing option for riders who want to run a remote lockout, along with housing entry ports for riders who run their brakes moto style

The first Following had 12 x 142mm rear spacing, the Following MB had 12x148mm spacing, and now version 3.0 has, you guessed it, 12 x 157mm spacing. Evil's reasoning for the change? “Go ahead, roll your eyes, it’s warranted—but we tested prototypes thoroughly. It is stiffer, it allowed us to rework our pivots, and it kept our chainstays at 430mm.” The dual-row, angular contact main pivot bearings are the same size as before, but the pivot hardware size has been increased to bump up the frame stiffness even further. There's enough clearance for 29 x 2.5" tires, and some 29 x 2.6" options will work as well, depending on their actual measurements.

Other details include a chainslap protector with three raised portions to help dissipate noise, a downtube protector, an updated version of the integrated chain guide, and a threaded bottom bracket. Oh, and there's plenty of room for mounting a water bottle inside the front triangle.


Evil Following
Evil has added new stem and handlebar options into their component lineup. The Following is designed to work best with a 35mm rise bar, and with stem lengths between 35 - 50mm.
Evil Following
Rear suspension is handled by a RockShox Deluxe Ultimate RCT shock.


Evil Following


Geometry

It wouldn't be a new bike launch without the words longer and slacker showing up somewhere, but while the latest Following is longer and slacker than before, Evil didn't copy and paste the numbers from a downhill bike and call it good. In fact, some might even call that 67.2-degree head angle conservative; it's steeper than the head angle found on their Chamois Hagar gravel bike.

Slacker doesn't always mean better, and in this case Evil wanted to preserve the poppy, jibby nature that put the Following on the map in the first place, rather than turning it into an enduro bike without enough travel. That's the same reason a fork with 51mm of offset is the stock configuration rather than the increasingly common 44mm option. Both will work, but Evil's test riders preferred the quicker feel that the 51mm offset fork delivered, especially at slower speeds.

Other numbers to note include the steeper seat angle, which sits at either 75.5 or 76-degrees with a 130mm fork, and 76.5 or 77-degrees with a 120mmm fork, depending on which geometry position is selected. The reach has bumped up to 480mm on a size large; it previously was 452mm. At 430mm, the chainstays still remain on the shorter side in order to preserve that snappy handling.

Evil Following
The Following still uses a link-driven single pivot layout for its 120mm of rear travel.

When the Following first emerged, there weren't a whole lot of bikes in that aggressive, short travel 29er category. That's no longer the case, and now nearly every brand has a bike that's vying for a spot at the table. How does the Following stack up against other contenders like the Santa Cruz Tallboy, Norco Optic, or the Guerrilla Gravity Trail Pistol? That's still to be determined - we're working on getting one in to find out.






482 Comments

  • 265 32
 Miss the launch videos where it was strobel trying to tear the tires of rims. Not that Slugger and Norbs are bad riders by any means. It just the old videos made the bikes look like corner destroying death machines. Now its just Dr. Ted and Dentist Bill go on a expensive trip to an island to ride mediocre trails and drink beer. Guess that pretty much pegs their demographic tho.
  • 92 69
 I've seem very little of this demographic riding Evils. The folks I see riding Evils at races are usually super fast shredders. I will admit I'm an Evil Fanboy and love my 1st gen following. But I usually see more Dentists riding Yeti's and Specialized.
  • 43 7
 I think that's the demographic because people that go to islands to ride bikes and drink beer usually have money. And you need alot of it if you want an evil
  • 38 2
 @tatchle1: What do dentists look like when they are riding their bikes....?
  • 68 3
 @JCWB: like they are filling their time
  • 5 2
 @ibishreddin: (Channeling my inner Dwight) FALSE
  • 39 12
 @JCWB: I've been a regular on this site for a few years now, so I can answer this one. Yeti frame, Enve wheels, Kashima everything, everything pristine and brand new, riding blue trails, and probably some 100's fluttering out of their hydration pack as they ride. Pretty easy to spot, really.
  • 54 76
flag cuban-b (Mar 13, 2020 at 10:27) (Below Threshold)
 @tatchle1: the demographic i see riding Evil's are the mtb douchebag know-it-alls. maybe it's just me, but i never saw the allure of Evil. dont really understand the hype. hoping someone more knowledgeable than i could educate me.
  • 36 8
 @cuban-b: good lord. . . u mad bro?
  • 129 5
 I don't get this persistent theme, it's like you're either broke on pinkbike or a dentist. I'm not a Dr or Dentist, Just kid free and in tech. There are plenty of ways to make good money or afford 6k on a hobby, just depends on your priorities.
  • 9 43
flag cuban-b (Mar 13, 2020 at 10:45) (Below Threshold)
 @tatchle1: triggered i see (somewhat predictable though) Smile i'm just hoping someone could educate me
  • 18 7
 @cyrways: Same here. DINK at the time I bought my Evil. If I were a dentist I'd be riding a Yeti. But glad I'm not a dentist because the Evil fn rips.
  • 38 2
 @cuban-b: its not all that complicated. Evil bikes are fun. All Evil bikes I've had the chance to ride are poppy and just fun to ride.
Even their bigger bikes. They definitely have a ride characteristic that extends across their line.

Who cares about "demographics"? That is just lazy stereotyping and internalizing marketing bullshit. If you want to understand the hype, go try one.
  • 7 15
flag cuban-b (Mar 13, 2020 at 11:01) (Below Threshold)
 @jerrytek: good explanation. thanks for that! i do want to try one. i think it was just the single pivot thing that was preventing me from taking it seriously. the geo does look dialed.

the demographics thing... i'm just responding to the original demographics post, just wanted to join the conversation and add something a typical pinkbike a*shole would say, which is my expertise.
  • 15 14
 @cuban-b: the dentist that wants to show he is smarter and more of a real rider than the Yeti rider. Drives a Jeep with 40k of accessories bolted to it instead of a Macan. (Don’t ask him to demonstrate the use of a high lift jack)


Never got Evil either. They are basic single pivot bikes.
  • 9 1
 That was a pretty poor showing. So much editing. This video will always be one of my favorites: m.youtube.com/watch?v=5LkbV6A_cY8
  • 2 1
 @JCWB: they're CAPtivating.
  • 2 5
 You cant ride downhill with HA more than 66' .
  • 3 1
 @chriskneeland: Just how much do dentists earn over there?! its like they are held in the same category as neurosurgeons. Where i live they make a decent living but nothing more than a lot of hard working office managers.
  • 3 0
 @ibishreddin: dont need a lot at all.. You just need your priorities in check.
  • 15 5
 @dlxah: weird... I see many a commoner on yeti in my neck of the woods... Peeps who want the best of the best, arent rich but just have their priorities in check.
  • 13 0
 I once took a Porcupine shuttle with 4 guys, late 40s early 50s. 2 had brand new top of the line yeti's the other 2 Santa Cruz. Halfway up the shuttle ride they all start talking about the dental procedures they had performed that week. So hard not to laugh out loud.
  • 6 1
 @cuban-b: hahaha cuz everyone riding an evil is a douche bag right? Way to generalize there bud
  • 3 0
 Dr.Ted has excellent facilities and I never have to wait long for an appointment.
  • 20 5
 @cyrways: exactly man.. Lots of butt hurt peeps here on PB... Either to many kids, live above their means in debt, or just straight up broke ass shop rats.. Im a trades guy and can afford playing this game..
  • 3 1
 @bohns1: yes, EVERYONE muahahaha! yeah cuz hyperbole on the internet is so literal Wink
  • 7 1
 @chriskneeland: im not even close to a dentist but im riding a yeti..
  • 2 3
 @cuban-b: Best way to educate yourself is go demo one. They are great bikes. Granted lots of bikes are great these days but they were ahead of the game on 29r geo for quite a while
  • 13 2
 @bohns1: point being, it's ok to generalize the yeti rider but not ok to generalize evil riders? i'm an equal opportunity hater.
  • 1 4
 @cuban-b: hey, ur the one that wrote it as such..
  • 3 3
 @bohns1: and you believe everything you read on the internet. people are so sensitive here.
  • 6 2
 @cuban-b: who said its ok to generalize the yeti rider? Keep hating brah, ill be riding my yeti.
  • 3 2
 @bohns1: read the thread. also, no hate for you bud. just trying to have some fun here and break the seriousness that is pinkbike! i also have an old yeti actually lol. nice bike dude!
  • 9 2
 @cuban-b: The single pivot thing doesn't matter. Ride one and see how the suspension works. SUPER progressive. Super dialed rear traction.
  • 3 3
 @cyrways: I'm a broke high school kid and I still could afford a 2500 bike
  • 3 0
 @arknotnoahs: Accordbing to a us news.com survey in 2018, dentists make an average of $151K. The top 25% made an average of $208K and the lower 25% made $107K. Generally speaking, it depends on where you live and whether you own your own practice or not. I don't know any dentists but for instance, my niece is a Nurse Practioner in Louisiana and makes $120K. If she was doing that job ing SoCal, she'd make $180-200K easy.
  • 7 0
 @tatchle1: because these $7k bikes cost less than other $7k bikes.
  • 27 0
 @cuban-b: do me next. I am a drug dealer, what do I ride?
  • 1 3
 @cuban-b: who said anything about believing the internet? Sounds like u got a lot of time on ur hands
  • 6 0
 Trek or Spec. for the SWAT! @Mntneer:
  • 8 0
 I want to pay 6k for a 4" travel bike that weighs 33 lbs.
  • 3 3
 @cuban-b: you called a bunch of people "mtb douchebag know-it-alls." Good for you that knowing flat out insults would be triggering. You must be a genius.
  • 7 5
 @Mntneer: obviously, drug dealers ride Santa Cruz - mainly due to all the meth heads that live there (while we’re generalizing).
  • 2 3
 @bohns1: oh relax. #insufferable
  • 3 12
flag cuban-b (Mar 13, 2020 at 12:21) (Below Threshold)
 @tatchle1: actually I am a genius. No joke I’m a member of mensa. Thanks for the compliment!
  • 6 2
 @k2rider1964: IMO it’s not just the income. Dentists have that frothy mix of disposable income and free time that incites jealousy and all the sarcastic hate. Add personal wealth managers and malpractice insurance brokers to the list.
  • 8 1
 @Savagm: all my dentist friends are in solo practice and super risk averse because if they get injured their whole practice can tank. None of them ride mountain bikes.
  • 2 1
 @Savagm: wait EVERY yeti rider is a dentist? Way to generalize OMFG I’m so upset right now lol. I’m kidding by the way.
  • 1 0
 @DrPete: fair. The couple I know are in bigger practices and always ask me to ride on weekday afternoons
  • 3 0
 @Savagm: group practice seems to be the key. As for me, I used to have an Evil and now ride a Yeti, but I’m in the army so I’m not exactly high up the income ladder. LOL. And I’m still not clear who administers the riding test to decide whether I’m worthy of my bike.
  • 1 0
 @Savagm: I’m also not a dentist so hopefully that eases the PB disdain a little. ha.
  • 8 0
 @DrPete: I never understood hating on anyone who’s out there on two wheels. It’s okay to like nice things.
  • 2 1
 @cuban-b: single pivot and single pivot with linkage driven shock are very different,
commencal supreme dh dingle pivot, trek session single pivot, there's loads of good singles and having ridden a Wrecking but owned vpp, 4 bar etc I can say the wrecking at least is a great bike!
  • 1 0
 Rode an offering - no deals Cry . Waited awhile, buys demo 3k off sticker. Smile
  • 3 0
 @tatchle1: The video was filmed in Portugal mainland.
  • 1 0
 @k2rider1964: the other factors is dentist have pretty normal hours compared to their wages so they actually have hobbies.
  • 2 0
 @bohns1: I was being facetious. Mostly just poking fun at the comment section. Yeti makes sick bikes, and I wouldn't judge anybody based solely on their kit.
  • 2 0
 @ibishreddin: i live on an island and drink beer ( vancouver island west of Seattle ) but there is no way that fits into any budget ive ever had
  • 13 0
 who gives a shit what bike someones riding? we're all mtbers and we should go out and have fun, no matter if someone is railing berms or riding blues on an evil. I saved up my whole summer to buy an evil calling and I personally dont think im the best rider, I just go out to have fun.
  • 2 0
 @MorganBH: That's how you do it!
  • 3 0
 @bohns1: geez you dont ride a yeti, huh?
  • 4 0
 @mtmc99: I know my dentist, who does not ride and thinks I'm crazy, only works TWT and every other Friday but he's been at it a while. He started out 5 days a week from 9-5'ish. Now one again, salaries will vary but the people with all the free time along with a decent income are firefighters and airline pilots. They both work about 11 days a month and at least in SoCal, firefighters are pulling in VERY decent money due to all the OT available. I worked around one guy, a Fire Captain, that was pulling in $200K plus. He was the highest paid city employee a couple years running back in the early 2000s.
  • 3 4
 @cyrways: its bernies kids lol
  • 2 1
 @JCWB: Come to Georgia and ride with me then you can know first hand. By the way, I ride an Evil and have been for three years. Personally waiting on the new Wreckoning to drop.
  • 1 1
 @Mntneer: da bomb with da kine parts.
  • 4 0
 @chrisfoxdesign:
Yes, Single pivot matters here.
AS and Pk are only linked to pivot position on a single pivot bike and you typically get 24° PK at 120mm in 30/50 for the 2018 following and 120% AS at sag in 30/50 with 24 mm chain growth on the upper side, that is more than equivalent yeti, trek, devinci, etc... meaning you actually didn't get a lot of traction at all since your kinematic is parasited by the chain growth...
Talking ratio, you get a strongly progressive value on the first half of travel, then a flattish/mildly progressive curve on the last part which is not good cuz your shaft speed is lower in the second part (lower shaft speed = less speed-dependant compression) when you precisely need your hydraulic to support the end of travel... In a general way better stay away from "composite" ratio curve since your shock's hydraulic will not behave constantly along travel.
Ride bikes with low AS/PK and ratio with constant progression (Knolly's, Rocky - GT- Cannondale of late...) if you want to experiment what a fully operating suspension is...
  • 2 0
 @Mntneer: You ride whatever your customer left you because they couldn't pay you back for the last time you fronted them an oz.
  • 6 0
 There is absolutely nothing wrong with with going on a trip to an island to ride mediocre trails and drink beer. i rest my case.
  • 1 0
 @Deep-Friar if no one mentioned it, it's a sad day, Luke Stobel is not riding for Evil anymore. Luke is now riding for the dreaded big S. Yes, Specialized. So no more vids where Luke tries to tear tires from rims on an Evil bike.
  • 1 0
 @tatchle1: I’m guessing you’re not in the Seattle area?
  • 5 0
 @dlxah: I know two dentists, one really died ride Evil bikes, he keeps his bike very clean and he’s quite tidy himself. He has three kids, works a ton of hours, and he’s a pretty fast rider.

The other dentist I know is my son in law, he’s doing an orthodontic residency, was riding an d Chromag hardtail, but I talked him into buying a nicely cared for used Esker Elkat.

I’m a shrink and I ride Guerilla Gravity Smile
  • 9 1
 @dlxah: I have a yeti with carbon i9, Kashima everything, hope brakes and maybe some 100s flying out of my fanny pack and my bike can out ride me. I’m just confused on who wouldn’t want to ride on a dream build bike like that? you should try it.
  • 1 0
 @JCWB: Like a Fabio
  • 1 0
 @bohns1: dont wanna get too close to a dentist...
  • 2 0
 @cyrways: I ride an expensive bike but I had to buy it on layaway. Haha my bike is worth way more than my car. I went with a black bike to avoid attention.
I must admit there are a lot of snobby riders on the trails but lots of nice riders too.
Its not a competition out on the trail but ok its always a competition you might be faster but I rode further. I already hit Moab this year. Have you? Get out and ride
  • 1 0
 @mtb-mech: on the schnitzel weiss? Damn, wish I didn’t know it. Man’s gotta eat!
  • 1 0
 @wibblywobbly: well a Hi-lift jack takes skills and if your not careful it can knock your teeth out.
  • 1 9
flag pargolf8 (Mar 13, 2020 at 20:36) (Below Threshold)
 @cmcourtn: I have it, and my bike doesn’t out ride me. Whats your point? You sound like a bragging ass clown to me. Its my favorite when i see kooks with kashima, who’s ability level is more like a yari. All show no go. Atleast you’re proud!
  • 15 0
 @pargolf8: do you know how pathetic it is to be looking at riders and deciding whether you think they deserve the bike they’re riding?
  • 2 10
flag pargolf8 (Mar 13, 2020 at 21:07) (Below Threshold)
 @DrPete: pray for me. Why so defensive, doc? Did you bet the practice on kashima coatin’ the nuggets?
  • 1 0
 @pargolf8: no, not at all.. Why would i do that!
  • 1 0
 @Mntneer: Merida 29'er hardtail that you got off your brother who got it from his friends Uncles next door neighbours dog.
  • 2 0
 @k2rider1964: Im a fire apparatus tech.. Basically a diesel tech/mechanic that works at the fire dept on all the equipment.. Its a great gig.. Gives me good time off and allows me to buy the nice shite with a fully city pension... No complaints.
  • 2 0
 @cmcourtn: you damn right.. People love to hate on the people that like the nicer kit... Just copped a kashima 36 for the sb130... Stoked!
  • 1 0
 @LuvAZ: ill hang with anyone that rides.. Dont care what they got either.
  • 7 0
 apparently we need an article to explain to a large number of PB users that "dentist" is just a placeholder for someone who has a lot of money, doesn't ride that hard, and chooses their bike on image over performance. I can't believe you guys are debating what actual dentists ride.
  • 8 1
 @pargolf8: I’m sorry my job pays better than chief of the nice bike police.
  • 2 1
 @cmcourtn: lol hope brakes are weak as piss
  • 2 0
 They need to sell their new DH bike... Why cannibalize their own market by showing a bike that can do 90% percent of what a sled can do?... Let's be honest... It's really not in a bike manufacturers best interest to have that one bike that can do it all.
  • 1 0
 @gnralized: nice suspension notes
  • 1 0
 @MorganBH: Much better vid????
  • 3 0
 I throw potato chips on the shelf, ride a 16'Corolla and bought my MB new. Built frame up. Not everyone is the same.
  • 1 0
 @chriskneeland: Dink is the only way to go!
  • 1 0
 @pargolf8: Your bike doesn’t out ride you? So any professional rider can’t get on your bike the way it sits and make it go faster? Lol.
  • 2 0
 @mikelee: since I don’t know how to ride because I have a nice hike I don’t really need the power. V4s have no stopping power with 203 rotors but the modulation is nice. Bling fast makes bike 2%faster tho
  • 1 0
 Portugal is not an island
  • 1 0
 @friendlyfoe: for the record.. I choose image and performance.. Droppin big coin.. Shites gotta look good.
  • 110 18
 My pants were getting shorter until I read Super Boost. Lame
  • 20 2
 Not thrilled about this either having just got a new Boost wheelset Big Grin
  • 39 5
 Completely agree... instant turn off. Especially because this is a bike that could be really good with a good pair of carbon hoops, but then you couldn't bring them to your next bike, unless that was super boost as well. SUCKS.
  • 30 30
 @blast-off: $10 adapter and 10 minute re-dish and you're set. Bonus, you end up with nearly even spoke tension and thus a stronger wheel.
  • 5 7
 Yeah, that's the drawback for me. Regardless, I think Evil might have just released my next bike. Colors are shit, though.
  • 23 5
 ^Upvote this one. Tires over 2.6 ride like crap, QED no need for more than boost out back. I'm going from a one-bike, two-wheelset setup to a two-bike, three-wheelset quiver, and have *zero* interest in Pivot, Evil, or anyone else trying to build more planned-obsolescence into their rear triangles!
  • 27 14
 I will never buy a superboost bike.
  • 13 4
 @Kiotae: Sweet! Looks like 'Problem Solvers' makes one for 20 bucks. Crisis averted!
  • 13 11
 Seems easy enough to buy another onyx hub and spokes to me. I don't get the frustration. If you're already thousands deep on a bike...
  • 14 4
 @JohanG: I remember reading comments like this about boost. I wonder what those riders are riding now...
  • 8 8
 @JohanG:
You realize that superboost is the same as a DH hub right?
  • 4 1
 @blast-off: check out the Problem Solvers “super booster” adapter.
  • 2 5
 @MeloBikeCO: Yes. I also realize that modern, wide rims make wheels stiff enough to not need the wider flange spacing. And I don't care about short chainstays.
  • 8 4
 @cyrways: First mistake there is buying an Onyx hub. But even a DT350, spokes, a rebuild, etc is a lot of money. Especially when the benefits are so minuscule, and you're right, we've already spent thousands of dollars. I don't want to need to spend more.

If I spend 2k on a wheelset. I want it to work for a long time, not become outdated faster than my damn cell phone.
  • 9 0
 @JohanG:
I also don't care about short chainstays.

Wide rims do help the rim from collapsing due to lateral loads. But the wheel as a system needs high offset flanges to make a stiffer wheel. The top 2 factors for lateral stiffness are bracing angle and spoke length. I don't remember where rim stiffness came in after those 2 factors.

As a pretty heavy person that rides at least moderately hard, boost made 29 inch wheels possible for me to ride and I'm sure superboost/DH spacing would be even a bit better. With good 142 mm spaced 27.5in wheels I never felt that my rear wheel was terrible but people that ride harder than me likely enjoy the extra stiffness, with lower cost wheels though the 142 rear wheel flex was pretty noticable. I like the idea of wider hub spacing as it makes lower cost wheels hold up better to hard riding.
  • 2 1
 @sdurant12: If the industry forces new standards on riders there is no choice whatsoever to avoid boost. Even if has basically no benefit and is just a stupid marketing stunt.
  • 5 3
 @MeloBikeCO: Repeat that one more time it might sink in.

In case it doesn't, let me help DH= Downhill. So that's a downhill hub on a XC/Trail bike.

See where that's going? Not needed.
  • 4 1
 @goldencycle: my onyx hub has been nothing but great. But I guess I view money differently than the rest of you.
  • 3 0
 @MeloBikeCO: that’s incorrect. Width is the same but flange spacing is not. Not the same thing. Will your 15 year old hub work? Yes. Is it offering the same benefit. No
  • 6 1
 @TheOriginalTwoTone:
135/142 hubs with 26” rims were fine up to about 8spd, then the smart folk started saying that we should probably widen the rear hub. For those that didn't push bikes as hard as pros the 135/142 hubs were fine still when we got to 27.5” wheels on bikes meant to be ridden hard. For all except for lightish people that don't push very hard a 135/142 hub doesn't work for a 29er that is meant to be ridden hard. So boost finally happened over 20 years after I remember seeing prototype wider hubs in magazines.

Now to your point... There is nothing that says that a certain axle width is DH only. The current DH width hub was developed with 26" wheels in mind, now they are on 29ers and I wonder how long till we see a wider DH hub. Thru axles were at one point only a feature of DH and freeride bikes, now there are zero serious MTB's without them. 2.3"tires used to be considered huge and had no place on a bike you actually intended to pedal very far, xc riders are often riding 2.4" you're now. 3" travel forks were at one point long travel, now that is less than a super light xc bike.

MTB's change, and this is just another small change that should concern no one. It is a little annoying, and will cost you a bit of money, if you intended on buying a specific frame that doesn't fit all the parts that you currently own, but that is all.
  • 4 0
 @usedbikestuff:
Only the left flange is different.

Some would argue that having equal flange spacing, equal spoke tension and equal lateral stiffness is a bigger benefit than what superboost offers. I'm not one of those people, but if I had a DH hub that I could lace into a wheel, or already owned that wheel, and that was the only hurdle to ride the bike I wanted, that benefit would be too good to give up. If I didn't own either, I would build up a decent rear wheel for $200-300 bucks and go ride.
  • 6 0
 I was happy to see this as I was worried for a minute the industry had agreed on a standard.
  • 2 0
 @friendlyfoe: I was disappointed they didn't change an axle standard to make it truly unique. At least they routed the rear brake though the frame this time so it's harder to replace.
  • 4 0
 @MeloBikeCO: Wider flange spacing increases stiffness, but stiffer rims do also so there's no reason to abandon 148 for the vast majority of riders. As a 160lb rider with an ftp in the mid 300s, my 29er trail bike has wheels I built with 1.5mm spokes and 380g carbon rims. Boost of course. They're great. If I needed stiffer, first I'd go to 32 spokes, then to 1.8mm db spokes, then to beefier rims, then if that wasn't enough look at 157. This is a change only a minuscule portion of people are asking for.
  • 2 0
 @JohanG:
I have an extra 80 lbs on you and I find 148 hubs on 29ers to work for me. I run 32 2.0/1.8 db spokes, and I prefer mixed lacing to gain stiffness on the drive side. I have never owned carbon rims, and I prefer to not have that as a requirement to build a stiff wheel.

There is no reason to abandon 148 hubs, but there are no real disadvantages of 157.

I do not know what "ftp in the mid 300" means, File Transfer Protocol was Google's guess.
  • 1 0
 @MeloBikeCO: Ha! Functional Threshold Power. I agree there's no disadvantage to 157 except wider chainstays some people with big feet don't like. Buuut I have a bunch of awesome boost hubs that are never going to wear out, and all my bikes are boost so I like the interchangeability.
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 @JohanG:
Oh that FTP, gotcha. I have been meaning to measure that on myself but other life stuff keeps taking priority. A higher FTP though would not make a stiffer wheel important.

I pedal a bit duck footed so I would have to see if I had clearance issues with superboost frames.
  • 1 0
 Question: The new Following is super boost, but the Offering has more travel and similar length chain stays, but is boost (not super boost). I would have expected the reverse. Does this tell us that all of Evil’s new updates will use super boost? Or is there a specific reason why the Offering has boost and the Following has super boost?
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 @bradwin2: Since the poppy XC bikes needs 157 and since 170 and 190 rear hubs aren't new, the Offering gets 170mm rear and the Wreckoning will go 190.
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 I personally do not care about Super Boost. I do not intend to buy a Following, but if I was going to and had to swap parts it would not be a deal breaker. Get some adapters, a new chain ring and be done with it. Then eventually build a new wheelset with the correct hub spacing. Just like we all did a few years ago when we went from 142-148.
  • 1 0
 @cyrways: I have nothing really against onyx hubs, but I just feel that if I'm spending that kinda money on a hub, it better be light and loud. And the onyx is neither haha, so doesn't fit the bill for me personally.
  • 1 0
 @goldencycle: I understand, I seek the silence and am willing to sacrifice lightness for robustness and durability. Stay safe out there and happy riding!
  • 50 4
 I long for the day that we start to see ‘poppy and jibby’ replace the played out ‘longer, lower, slacker’ marketing ploy. But the word ‘jibby’ makes me cringe...as soon as we figure out a good three letter acronym for bikes that are made for the pilot rather than the passenger I think we might get somewhere.
Any ideas?
  • 22 0
 How about FUN!
  • 8 0
 How about just calling them "fun"? It's three letters.
  • 83 1
 I long for the day when we start to see canned wet food instead of the played out dry kibble. But the word canned makes me cringe as I cannot open them like I can with an unattended bag and a few moments of unbridled enthusiasm. Once wet food is only in soft bags we will be getting somewhere.
  • 11 3
 Whoa dude, sounds like your vocabulary got left behind with 26 wheels. Do you even schralp?
  • 14 3
 I long for the day when we stop using the phrase ‘I long for the day’ on pinkbike
  • 2 0
 Just got a short, high, and not slack bike and FUN is definitely the acronym I’d use.
  • 1 0
 @IamTheDogEzra: this made my day
  • 51 8
 Definitely rolling my eyes at superboost, evil. Just stop ffs.
  • 18 2
 but they were able to make the rear end 0.89% stiffer and the chainstays 2,49mm shorter because of it?!!?!?
  • 6 0
 @Ratz90: worth for the internet tears.
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 @Ratz90: Sweet, shorter chainstays for less stability at high speed! Fun!
  • 12 3
 Would it br better if they called it 157 DH?
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 @JohanG: it's a 120mm bike how fast over rough terrain do you plan on going with it.

I'm grateful that there are still some bikes that are not designed solely for top speed runs in a straight line down the fall line. #maketurninggreatagain
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 157 hub provides better chain line for frequently used gearing ranges on 120 bikes, that is bigger cogs. Owners of 120+ bikes spend most of their riding time pedalling up a hill on biggest cogs, hence it is preferable to have chain straighter there (given chainring offset is around 50mm) Both 142 and 148 are optimized for fireroad racing. Then 157 hub allows for building stronger wheel (given its not this retarded I9/pivot super boost +)
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 @mtbgeartech: Pretty fast. I rode a 29er xc bike for a while that had 445mm chainstays. It rode awesome, and most of what I do is the twisty stuff.
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 @JohanG: "Pretty Fast" is relative. Pretty fast for me is a notch below WC DH. Chainstay length is only part of the Geo equation. 29" bikes with '68 Eldorado wheelbases are great for hitting terminal velocity in a straight or straight-ish line. You might be able to ride them on mellow twisty trails but they aren't great there.
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 @WAKIdesigns: My 120mm 148 bike with non boost cranks has great chain line. Don't need 157 to have good chainline.
  • 2 1
 @Gibbsatron theres adapter kits out anyways now for super boost if u really wanted the evil anyways... Not a huge deal anymore.
  • 1 1
 @Ratz90: Seriously tho, I'd like to know how much stiffer is super boost really is. 430 mm CS is kinda too short in my experience, and I don't need a 2.6 tire in the rear so if it's not materially stiffer I'd rather go 148 and keep my wheels.
  • 1 2
 @TheOriginalTwoTone: More and more frames make it impossible to use 34-36 chainrings on chainlines under 50mm. If 50+ is the case the case 157 is better. Shimano cranks have 49-50 chainlines
  • 2 0
 @tunnel-vision: DH wheels get destroyed too. And stiffness is not the issue here. It’s that spoke tension can be evened up on both sides with adequate hub design, like Hope’s old DH hub. So when one spoke gets loose and you keep banging the wheel there is a lesser chance of developing further imbalance. All in all stiffness and durability depends mainly on wheel build quality and rim. So to answer your question: don’t bother...
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 @mtbgeartech: oh wow you are really fast. These claims make your arguments more meritorious. I submit.
  • 2 0
 @tunnel-vision: just get a super boost adapter kit to use ur existimg wheels... Ive seen them available now.. Or u can just get a new hub laced to ur rear wheel.. Dont need a new set
  • 36 1
 That Seat Tube Angle is about 74deg according to my photoshop.... fudge fudge fudge
  • 4 0
 much fudge
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 The STA = 77 degrees at stack height. The number of riders over 5’6” who run their saddle at stack height = zero.
  • 2 3
 How do you know where they're measuring the effective point to?
  • 8 0
 You can say that about most companies.

Talking about angles: their gravel bike has a slacker head angle. Something went wrong somewhere?? And that's before sagging...
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 @jclnv: I don’t, I’m assuming based on how they and most others have done all their geo charts for years.

I long for a world where it’s standard practice to show effective STA at 60, 70 and 80cm from BB. Especially for bikes like this one where effective vs. actual STA is very different due to kinked seat tube.
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 Seems more feasible that they have listed sagged STA's
  • 4 2
 @jclnv: By definition. Effective seat angle is measured by drawing a line from the BB crossing the seat tube at stack height and measuring the angle. Occasionally some brands will note an effective seat angle at some other height (e.g. Banshee), but if no height is noted then it's assumed to be stack height.
  • 5 2
 @dlxah: I agree but assumed sums it up I think. It could be the top of the seat tube for all we know. I think a standard needs to be set for designated sizes that’s realistic like Forbidden does. Also, on the whole, stated geo (and even travel) numbers are often comical in the bike industry and rarely reflect reality.

That said, seat angle is getting way overblown. A 120mm bike doesn’t need a radically steep seat angle. In fact I’d say it’s a detrimental for pedalling efficiency. 74/75 would be ideal I think.
  • 2 0
 @jclnv: @Drew-O Because that is the "standard" measurement spot in the industry. Look at the geo charts. You'll see the line coming from the stack height to the seat post. Cheers.
  • 28 26
 Oh God, the tall people whining. Can you please buy a Geometron already and leave the rest of the world alone?
  • 12 0
 No way is that 77° (at stack height). Not the first time Evil is cooking their numbers. They did the same with Insurgent, subsequently editing the STA in their geometry sheet.
  • 7 0
 Not sure it these new high steep st angles are good for my knees! I know I m getting older, but still...
  • 2 2
 @WAKIdesigns: #tallpeopleproblems
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 @WAKIdesigns: LOL! Or a Pole or a Banshee Titan
  • 2 1
 @WAKIdesigns: Totally. But for the record, if this bike has the stated increased ESTA and hasn't substantially lengthened the reach (and it looks like a 5mm gain at most) then these bikes are effectively getting smaller. Which is great for some people.
  • 2 0
 @chasejj: What gives you the impression that the Banshee Titan is any bigger than this Evil? 495mm reach on 77' ESTA is TINY. The Banshee Tiny has a nice ring to it.
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 Comparing to HTA, STA looks to be about 68d. This allows a taller rider to use a smaller, more maneuverable bike which remains stable going down thanks to the rearward mass bias. How fast is one willing to go with 120mm of travel? Does one really need a 64d HTA (Norco Optic)? I'd like it, but I'm 6' and ride Mediums--the slacker HTA compensates for the shorter reach and the longer stem for the slacker HTA. The more compact the cockpit, the greater effect small body movements have. Who rides at full saddle extension, except on road? Get a road bike. This angle is no more fudged than those of Trek, Spesh, or Santa. A brand's first loyalty is to its existing customers, and new STA is steeper than that of Following MB.
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 @alexsin: Mine don't feel tiny. I think the WB particularly with the longer CS drops feels longer as you are sitting centered on the axles. I was going to buy a Geometron but felt I would would go with the Titan to try it out as I was not satisfied with the Geo/balance on my GG TP. My gamble proved perfect. Lighter than a Geometron as well.
  • 2 1
 @jclnv: depends on where you live and how tall you are. Eff is always measured from stack height over. On more rolling terrain sure sta doesn’t need to be as steep. Which is where this bike will shine
  • 1 0
 @alexsin: Large MB: 452mm. New Large: 480mm.
  • 5 2
 Reach is another industry BS, just like mega pixels in photography. Reach without stack means nothing. This EVIL has a very low stack. This is a classic example of how companies produce short bikes (which is actually good for trail bikes) but know that Joe the dentist will not look at any large below 480 in 2020... When you put 3cm of spacers and 30mm riser on it, the reach will reduce greatly.
  • 2 0
 @lkubica: but the bike did get longer. The following has always had a very low stack height. Take the xl:

XL following: 462 mm reach
XL following mb: 475 mm reach
XL following 3: 500mm reach

Head tube length for all three: 120mm

I’m not seeing any smoke and mirrors here.
  • 1 0
 @WAKIdesigns: Yes please. I'll have 2 please.
  • 2 0
 @lkubica: stack of most bikes between 120 and 200mm of travel is within 2cm (like Fuel Ex vs Session) When you increase fork travel, the BB goes up, how else could it work? Who doesn’t want lowest possible BB? So head tube length makes the biggest difference, but should be kept low. You can also increase rise on the bars. So what you are interested in is location of pedals(bb) grips and saddle. Then tire patches. Rest is details.

This bike is specced with Minions - what is the point of running less travel when your bike rolls slowly?
  • 8 3
 @jclnv: I'm 100% with you on this one. Steep seat angles are fine for those rides that go straight up then straight down but are awkward when hitting terrain that isn't as steep or goes up and down more often. 74 is PERFECT for me for efficiency and front/rear suspension balance.
  • 1 0
 @WAKIdesigns: what is your preferred trail tire
  • 2 2
 @gnarcissistictendency: XR4 front XR3 with insert rear. Depends on the trails off course. Could eventually do Aggressor front, Rekon rear. But Aggressor doesn’t have the predictability of breaking away of Bonties. If Schwalbe made a cut down version of Magic Mary it would go brilliantly with Rock Razor in the rear.
  • 1 0
 @gnarcissistictendency: I like braking traction on steeps, rolling resistance be damned. Maxxis Shorty F&R. Winch up and Haul Ass down.
  • 1 2
 @chasejj: nonsense... squirmy in berms making it impossible to detonate them. You should appreciate controlled double wheel drifitng of intermediate Bontragers. Getting on the edge and Getting over it becomes like a drug...
  • 2 0
 @WAKIdesigns: I’ve been looking at vittorias lineup and considering their Agarro rear with a Martello in front. Yay or nay?
  • 2 0
 Yeah, their geo graph on the evil webpage is also nonsense. There' no way thats even close to 77* with an actual seatpost in it and thats even considering measuring it at stack height.
  • 3 0
 @jollyXroger: Yep, and the MB that gained reach with no change in TTL, WB or CSL.
  • 2 0
 @jclnv: how tall are you / how long is your inseam? I don't care how much travel a bike has I can think of less than 3 that fit my lanky frame properly when seated. For L and XL sized frames, we NEED steeper seat tube angles across the board.

I do not enjoy climbing with my ass perched on top of the rear hub. Neither do my hips or my low back.
  • 4 0
 @keillor: Yeah I ride mediums and I sympathise, seat angles should get steeper as sizes increase. As should rear centre lengths. The reason they’re not putting 78 degree seat angles on all XL’s (I think) is effective toptubes get crazy short unless you dump a load of reach into the mix and then you end up with monster wheelbases that average riders struggle with.

Anyway my argument is shorter travel bikes don’t need as steep seat angles as longer travel bikes due to the smaller differential between static and sag.
  • 1 0
 Maybe they put a 140mm fork on that picture just to mess with us? OR maybe that pic is distorted...? But the chainstay/TT seem to measure correct...

(I"m getting a ~65* HTA on that pic, appears to be a medium frame from other measurements) for my seat height I'd be at ~73*... super MEH! BUT if it's cause it's overforked by 20mm than maybe... Smile

@Drew-O: I"m not getting 77* at stack height?

www.pinkbike.com/photo/18392012

I actually didn't know for sure "stack height" was where the industry measured STA. (also I don't think the industry knows that either cause that doesn't seem to be consistently used? OR at least there is still differences between how the industry is doing it?)

I did one at top of saddle height, and then one at the rails cause maybe that's also an industry standard? Still is WAY off their numbers...???

www.pinkbike.com/photo/18392011
  • 2 0
 @gnarcissistictendency: I say nah, no hell no... I’d rather get Geax than this
  • 2 0
 @WAKIdesigns: cant do it.. Love that 77d on the sb130.
  • 1 0
 @WAKIdesigns: What are these things called "berms" you speak of. Haven't seen one anywhere I ride. Maybe in summer when I hit Mammoth.
  • 3 1
 @chasejj: the more I am here the more I realize how awkward Californian MTBers are...
  • 46 13
 Looks cool but superboost is a dealbreaker.
  • 36 34
 Common complaint for every new bike coming out with 157 spacing. Why don't people get that 157 is nothing new. It's a hub spacing standard that's been around for ages, well before 148 came along, and makes more sense than 148 too. Just as many hub options, and easily swap hubs/wheels with any 157 DH frame (unlike 148 ). I don't get it...
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 @freerider11: 157 DH spacing hubs and Super-Boost hubs are different.
  • 29 2
 @freerider11: doesn't really matter that 157mm hub spacing isn't something new. But it is something different than today's common 148mm spacing. A lot of people value interchangeability.
  • 8 2
 @freerider11: DH 157 is different from Super Boost Plus. The flange spacing is different. Sort of like how 110mm front spacing on a DH wheel is different from DH Boost.
  • 8 1
 @sdken:
Nope, they are the same as far as fitment into a frame. Often they do have the brake side hub flange closer to the brake disk, but that is the only difference.
  • 10 1
 @sdken: the only difference is flange spacing. They are interchangeable
  • 14 7
 @sdken: As already stated, they are the same. Sure, hub flange spacing is a few mm's different, but frame and rotor spacing is the same, and 157 DH and Super Boost 157 are completely interchangeable. I've had a few super boost bikes, and just use 157DH hubs. They are very common from every hub manufacturer. To me this means wheel interchangeability is better with 157 than it is with 148.
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 @chrisclifford:
Out side of road and fatbike world.

There 3 rear hub shell sizes 135/142, 148/(we won't talk about 141 boost QR), and 150/157.

There are 2 front hub shell sizes 100/110x20mm and confusingly 110/110x20mm boost.
  • 4 2
 @freerider11: There definitely aren't just as many hub options. 157 center lock hubs are almost non-existent, for example. It also means I can't swap wheels between bikes unless I replace them both with superboost frames.
  • 9 1
 @freerider11: Nowhere near as many hub options. If I bought this bike I wouldn’t want 350’s or Hydra’s. I’d want it light as possible, 28H 240’s or 180’s. They’re 148mm only.

Superboost might make sense on longer travel bikes but more weight, fewer options and less heel clearance on a short rear centre 120mm bike makes no sense to me.
  • 7 6
 @dlxah: Don't worry, when all frames are super boost or 157 DH then it won't be a problem! In my case, my trail bike, my enduro bike, and my DH bike all use the same spacing with either SB157 or 157DH. And I've never had any issues finding any hub I wanted in 157.
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 @jclnv: Funny you mention that. Both my super boost bikes are running light weight wheelsets on 240's. 32h though, not 28. What's the difference in weight for 4 extra spokes???
  • 1 0
 @jclnv:
Wanting light weight would be a bit of a problem as the bikes that have gone to 157 axles are generally not looking to be lightweight bikes, so there are not as many rear hub options, as you pointed out. That would be the only place you would have to compromise on weight though, well the rear hub and the 6ish pound frame without shock.
  • 8 0
 Makes our 148 wheels obsolete for more stiffness, specs 28 hole wheels because 32 is too stiff I guess. Bonkers.
  • 1 1
 @freerider11:
Not much different for 4 spokes + it is 4 more speed holes in the rim.

Didn't actually know that there were so many hub options at this point.
  • 1 3
 @freerider11: Yes wheel interchangeability is better with 157, because 157mm = 157mm. But they are different as others as stated in the flange being wider, reason for building a "Stiffer" wheel. Also using 157mm, bike mfg's are able to shorten the chainstays, not sure if that will still be possible with w DH157 since the flange width is about the same as the 148. I wouldn't categorize it as being the same when the industry has separated it, its already confusing enough.
  • 1 0
 @freerider11: I checked the other day and the only DT’s in Superboost I could find were 350’s. Are they OEM? Centrelock?
  • 1 0
 @sdken:
Superboost only builds a stiffer wheel over a DH hub in one direction. It increases lateral stiffness when making right turns. With a superboost hub, to regain the even spoke tension and similar lateral stiffness side to side, that you have in a DH hub, you have to resort to mixing spoke types or spoke lacing patterns.
  • 1 0
 @MeloBikeCO: Agreed. Shame as the Offering is surprisingly light.
  • 1 1
 @freerider11: I 100% agree. I ride Knolly's and people talk about the "new" spacing and it kills me.
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 @sdken: They are the same. Does not affect mfg's shortening chainstays at all between 157DH and 157 boost. The flange spacing makes no difference. That's just marketing. Industry has separated them because marketing...

@jclnv: 240's are offered in 157DH. That's what I'm using. It's not superboost specific, but doesn't matter. Not sure on centerlock, as I don't use centerlock.
  • 3 0
 @MeloBikeCO: What if I'm not an ambi-turner?
  • 1 0
 @jclnv:
The offering at about 6.25 lbs for a medium without a shock, I guess it isn't terrible, but it is a quarter pound heavier than the Following. Evil is not focused on making super light frames.
  • 1 0
 @gus6464:
Well if you only make left turns, these are pretty much the way to go.

www.dirttrackdigest.com/a-change-of-pace-dtd-exclusive
  • 2 1
 @sdken:
The driveside flange on a superboost hub and a 157 DH hub are in exactly the same spot, about 4.5 mm further from center than a boost hub. That means quite a bit more lateral stiffness over a boost hub.
  • 3 0
 @Ratz90: Exactly. I'm not selling my three sets of wheels with 148 rear spacing, especially since all of them I put a lot of though into exactly what I wanted. 157 to me is pretty much a deal breaker since I have two bikes with the same standard. If I had one bike with one wheelset, I really wouldn't care.
  • 2 1
 @freerider11: It doesn't make any sense on a 120mm travel bike. Makes Q factors wider.

What wheel are you riding XC/Trail that's you'd ride on a DH rig?
  • 4 1
 @sdken: Holy cow really? Take about falling for the marketing. Maybe check out a few bike that had really short chainstays with 148. Must have better engineers.
  • 2 1
 @TheOriginalTwoTone: It makes sense on a 120mm bike when all my other bikes are also 157. Obviously trail bike wheels wouldn't go on the dh bike. One's 29 and one's 27.5 anyways. But the hub would work if for whatever reason I needed/wanted it to. More of a benefit between my trail bike and enduro bike which are both 29 and I use 3 different wheelsets between the 2 bikes depending on what I'm riding.

My point is just that it makes sense to have one hub spacing standard across all mtn bikes (except maybe xc race bikes). Makes life much easier.
  • 2 3
 @freerider11: It would be convenient but it will never happen (Hope alone is proof of it). At that, there are more frame design considerations than flange spacing and wheel stiffness that go into selecting axle standards, from linkage design to efficient internal cable routing.

That said, I would gladly have all of my bikes share 157 spacing. Personally I find it indistinguishable from even 142 and never had any rubbing issues with the bikes I've ridden/ride.
  • 2 1
 @TheOriginalTwoTone:
Q-factor is exactly the same as that is a crank thing. With Knolly bikes they actually increased heel clearance when they went from 142 to 157.
  • 1 0
 @HaggeredShins: Small feet?
  • 1 0
 Well at least now we know the new Wreckoning will be superboost and pretty much every new bike in the evil lineup so it'll be good for people who only want a stable of evils.
  • 2 1
 @ajreed what you meant to say was superboost is a f*cking stupid idea and any bike company specifying it should be black listed.
  • 1 2
 @jclnv: nearly every relevant mtb hub is available in 157 spacing. I built my fugitive LT with a DT 240s 157 6-bolt 32-spoke rear hub.... symmetrical flanges for a dishless wheel.
  • 1 0
 @MeloBikeCO: A 157 hub is about 15% more laterally stiff than a 148, until ultraboost 160 makes them obsolete.
  • 2 0
 @TheOriginalTwoTone: Nah. Not falling for marketing, just spouting their claims. 157DH is has the ~same flange spacing as 148 so in theory 157SB+ is suppose to be “stiffer”. Just like 148 is “stiffer” than 142. I’ve been on DH seasons with 135mm, 142mm and 148mm - can’t tell the difference nor do I care. However, If I was selling a 157DH or 157SB+ wheelset, I wouldn’t just tell the buyers they’re “the same”.
  • 2 0
 @sdken:
148 and 157 of any type do not have the same flange spacing, 148's flange spacing is closer to 135 than 157. 135 and 142 are the same hub with different endcaps so they should feel the same. Some DH bikes have offset rear triangles and can get away with narrower hubs, Specialized and others did that for a long time. Of course if I was selling a 157 DH hub I wouldn't claim it to be the same as a superboost hub, but I would say that it will fit and function great in a bike designed for a superboost hub.
  • 3 0
 @MeloBikeCO: Might want to get your facts straight. From Knolly's website
"yet heel clearance of our new designs has only moved outward by 1.5mm per side!"
Maybe that the new core 2.0 math, but for us old school math types, that's an increase.

If you go back to when Trek first came out with 148, it's purpose was the widest they could go without increasing Q-factor. Watch old videos, they reference that in them. Then everyone went gaga over b fat so they started makes rear ends wider, which forced Q-factor to go wider.

If they had stuck to the original intent for 148, it made perfect sense.
  • 1 1
 @TheOriginalTwoTone:
I guess I did remember that heel clearance info about knolly incorrectly, though when I went to the website they say that regular cranks work on the superboost frames, so no change to q-factor, though you can choose to use a wider crank if you want.

My remembering of the original intent of boost was to avoid co-spatial events when combining short chainstays, 27.5/29er wheels and 2x drivetrains. I don't really know how how much it matters though as the additional wheel stiffness was the only lasting benefit for me.
  • 19 1
 HOW THE f*ck IS THEIR GRAVEL BIKE SLACKER? WHAT IS THIS WORLD
  • 14 8
 Because they haven't got a clue what the F they are doing...
  • 4 3
 @SintraFreeride: exactly!!! And who wants superboost or short chain stays that make it impossible to weight the front wheel. This bike has similar geo to my OG Surly Krampus and was developed in 2012, except that has a decent length rear so it rides well. Well done Evil (slow clap).
  • 5 0
 If I want a short travel bike it's going to be a Norco, at least they're thinking about it.
  • 3 4
 The bike looks like a dogs dinner with questionable geometry, I struggle to see why any one would pay a premium price for this when there are so many other good frames out there, with way better geometry for less cash. @fartymarty:
  • 1 0
 @CrispyNuggs: A dogs dinner? Can I get a translation into Standard? Smile
  • 1 0
 @JohanG: You ever seen a dog eat anything that looks good? Or is it a pile of slop?
  • 1 0
 @Trouterspace: ah, gotcha. So it's a facebook post.
  • 1 0
 @JohanG: Exaaaaaaaactly
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 ‘Internal cable routing, with options for riders who run their brakes moto-style.’ Nice.

While I’d still prefer an open downtube, I applaud Evil for their anti-racist stance on internally guided routing.
  • 19 0
 Equal opportunity braking.
  • 4 3
 I've been Moto style since 1983. Isn't everyone?
  • 1 1
 Is it the Canadian race that runs their brakes moto or in american-ese tne wrong way?
  • 11 0
 @tgent: Aussies/Brits and the enlightened run moto.
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flag nojzilla (Mar 13, 2020 at 10:35) (Below Threshold)
 Right hand, stronger hand, more power for the front brake. Sorry south paws
  • 7 2
 @nojzilla: That is quite possibly the worst reason for running moto I've ever heard. If the strength of your hand is dictating the strength of your braking you need some modern brakes. My brakes will lockup with very little force on the lever.
  • 3 2
 @nojzilla: you need better brakes.
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flag nojzilla (Mar 13, 2020 at 11:28) (Below Threshold)
 @CircusMaximus: I run hopes plenty strong enough. I'm sitting the ACTUAL reason for front brake on the right.....
  • 10 0
 I'm not usually an Evil fan but this on paper looks awesome. I think we've jumped the shark on the uber long, downcountry thing for most people not riding Squamish as their daily trails. This is a badass bike. I'm glad the STA looks proper now (as a tall guy the old following kind of sucked going up). Nice job Evil.
  • 1 0
 @EvilBikesCustomerService: Agree with Svinyard but what’s the thinking about the HTA? Less front travel does not require as low hta angle? Even East coast trails have the occasional extra steep rolls
  • 3 0
 @Artigas: I can almost guarantee that the head angle will not hold you back on this bike. At least for me, it's my skill level.
  • 1 0
 @Artigas: HTA is no issue. Have you ever ridden a 67d bike? Its pretty awesome. My 6-7yro kid dropped into steep, loose chutes on a 69d hardtail (on a rowdy FS now tho). You'll be fine.
  • 1 0
 @Svinyard: Hey, yes I moved from steep hta to 64.5 with short offset and increased trail. Not going back to steep hta. Just curious as to what was the theory for the v3 hta considering also their preferred offset (51mm). Usually it’s a choice between nimbleness and stability, as XC v Trail/Enduro. Makes sense to have two clear separate profiles, Offering v Following. This may work if the latter v3 is lighter than v2.
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 @Svinyard: "69d hardtail"

Nice.
  • 9 0
 Looks awesome. I love my 1st gen Following so much. The steepish HTA surprises me, but I'm actually very happy to see a bike in their lineup to keep things "snappy" and usable on the more mellow trails common for my area. I'm interested to feel how this one climbs with the steep STA.

I bet they come out with a new Wreckoning soon for those folks that ride the gnar on the regular.
  • 2 2
 Climbs like a rocket ship, but we'll let you decide. 3
  • 1 9
flag CrispyNuggs (Mar 14, 2020 at 5:09) (Below Threshold)
 Bike looks awful with already dated geo and a ridiculously high price. Well done indeed @EvilBikesCustomerService:
  • 2 0
 @CrispyNuggs: but how does it have dated geo if the bike currently performs incredibly well today for all its intended uses and then some
  • 13 1
 Numbers aside. The bike just plain looks good.
  • 2 0
 I really didn’t like the looks when I first saw spy shots and teaser shots but the more I look at it the more it’s growing on me.
  • 1 0
 @BDubs1986: yeah! I think the spy shots of that black bike were of a one off. The seat tube looked like it couldn’t fit a decent sized dropper post.
  • 12 0
 @nskerb: You sure that was the Following you were looking at? Wink
  • 1 0
 It does look good. I like how they streamlined some of the more angular facets on their earlier models, and have created a little bit of differentiation in the surfacing. Remains to be seen how this washes through subsequent model revisions.

Note to reviewer: in industrial design critiques, 'cleaner' and 'more angular' are usually not interchangeable adjectives.

Less angles and facets generally equals lighter, more consistent, and probably better performing gram-for-gram.
  • 1 0
 @EvilBikesCustomerService: that’s what I’m saying! It definitely want this following. But it has to be a dedicated park bike right? Unless my eyeballs are messed up and it has room for a big dropper?
  • 1 0
 @nskerb: I cant paste gif's here, so: Insert>(shrug). Keep an eye peeled Wink
  • 1 0
 @EvilBikesCustomerService: I like it!???? rock on guys.
  • 1 0
 Except for that hideous head tube
  • 16 5
 Pinkbike knowing evil exists?? What?
  • 5 0
 Need to know more about this new company...
  • 34 6
 More like Evil acknowledging that Pinkbike exists!
  • 4 0
 Its Giant, largest bike manufacturer in the globe, that they dont know exists. Maybe they dont like stuff thats big and bad
  • 1 0
 @BCpov: what was the source of the original tension between these two parties? so intriguing
  • 2 0
 @cuban-b: both went for the last doughnuts in the box. didn't end well. Rest is history.
  • 7 0
 For all the haters out there: You just have to try one to believe how good these bikes ride. I made the mistake of riding a friend's wreckoning last summer while he was recovering from a surgery. Didn't want to give it back. I live for popping and jibbing everything in sight and Evils are super intuitive and uber playful. I also took it on 25-mile rides with over 5,000 feet of climbing and never had a sore back or knees despite the apparently unfathomable seat tube angle. I'm 6'1" and rode a large.
  • 7 2
 Super-boost is disappointing. I am in the market for a new frame and I have great parts on my existing frame that I would move over to the new frame. But with lots of money invested in my existing wheel set, I’m not about to buy a new rear wheel to accommodate this new Following frame; my budget just doesn’t allow it.
  • 1 0
 Not sure if it’s an option but I converted a non-boost rear hub to boost for a new bike using a Wolf Tooth adapter. Basically a new end cap and disc spacer/longer rotor bolts and a quick run in the truing stand to re-dish. Evens out the spoke angles a little too. Maybe as Super boost becomes more common some adapters will appear.
  • 1 2
 You can buy a new hub for your rear wheel for a very reasonable cost. There are also adapters like Dr. Pete mentioned to let you use your current wheel.
  • 3 2
 It's disappointing that people can't figure out how to use a $20 adaptor. It's sorta like end caps but slightly different.
  • 1 0
 @DrPete: Thanks!
  • 9 1
 would be cool to see them change the rear centre to scale with size
  • 7 0
 For real. Every bike needs this. Is Norco the only Manuf that is doing this? Norco is killing it these days. Sight/Optic and then the Kids Sight (with short stays of course) and Kids Rampage DJ and 24" FS. Love what they are doing. This Evil is nice tho
  • 1 0
 It's really expensive. A new mold for each size? Yowzers.
  • 10 2
 Super boost, no thanks, bummer rest looks fun
  • 4 0
 Plus 1000. if the industry didn't have enough sense to make this switch the last time than fuck them...
  • 5 0
 Did the naming of colour options change hands at the office? From black out drunk and rusty trombone to Protein Powder and... Black.
  • 1 0
 It's still called black out drunk, same color as the offering.
  • 2 0
 @matmattmatthew: Thank goodness. Was worried
  • 7 1
 Any new Evil that is released right now, should unequivocally be named the "Sickness"!
  • 7 0
 the Sickening
  • 2 0
 @ipattis: Oh duh! Yes, this!
  • 3 0
 So much whining about the geometry as if short travel trail bikes should have the same geometry as EWS bikes. I didn’t realize that using different geometry for different applications was such a strange concept.

Put down the slide rule and ride one. Evils rip.
  • 10 8
 Looks sick... but just a general comment on new bikes... Why aren't manufacturers putting an integrated shuttle pad on the downtube? Some companies are but it's super rare still. I don't see why it's not a standardized thing... maybe not necessary on these 120mm bikes but it's very cheap and goes a long way in keeping the frame looking fresh.
  • 22 0
 I prefer bikes that dont come with pre-installed shuttle pads. Because I never put my bike over a tailgate, I would rather not have the extra hardware on my down tube, instead I'd just put on some protective tape so I dont have to have a useless shuttle pad to always look at.
  • 1 3
 I have seen a few bikes, which have protection on the down tube get seriously smashed when this protection falsely led the owner to believe they didnt need to still strap the bike down effectively. They hit a pot hole or whatever, and wham...broken frame. Most brands are able to understand this is not a warranty, and at best you get a crash replacement price offered. Perhaps the lack of these is to prevent this from happening more often.
  • 1 8
flag scary1 (Mar 13, 2020 at 9:39) (Below Threshold)
 Slacker isnt always better...pfft!....You got the Corona bro?!
  • 6 0
 Some people(me) don't like the looks and there are so many solutions customers can utilize it's not worth it.
  • 5 0
 Hi! Pro-tip, an additional downtube protector (available on evil-bikes.com), can serve as a shuttle pad.
  • 2 0
 Just slap a piece of helicopter tape on there and you're good to go.
  • 3 3
 shuttling isn’t cool anymore didn’t ya know
  • 4 2
 Because 99% of riders don't shuttle their bikes in pickups...
  • 5 2
 Might buy due to lack of clapped out TIKTOK rap music in the background...

Bike looks really good, gotta get that seat tube angle thing sorted out though. I'm only 5'8" so it bothers me a bit less but still...
  • 11 4
 Stupid-Boost!
  • 3 1
 I remember the days when evil seemed like they made the coolest looking most badass bikes. Seems like everyone else caught up with the aggressive geo trend and tbh their frame designs don’t exactly wow like they used to. Price isn’t helping either
  • 6 0
 That bike looks dope. I'm a "no" on the SuperBoost, though.
  • 3 1
 Can't say anything good about this new downgraded bike, must diss. Non-standard rear hub, long as hell and internal brake hose routing!!! Good bye dood design. What about external brake hose and easy maintenance that they said before this downgrade?!
  • 7 2
 Starts at $5800? HahahahhHaaa
  • 2 3
 I mean it's a boutique Carbon Frame with Industry 9 wheels... If you want to, you can probably grab one for less than $4k in 18 months off of Jenson
  • 3 1
 nah I’m good.
  • 3 1
 @wmoody54: yeah, coming stock with hydra hubs at that price point is pretty solid.
  • 4 1
 Nice to see they're thinking about riders mental health...I sold my insurgent because the chain slap was so loud it gave me ptsd. That and it climbed like a full garbage can.
  • 5 2
 FYI they also updated their warranty to lifetime now. Everything about this bike is perfect except for superboost so no thanks.
  • 6 0
 A lifetime warranty that’s not worth the paper it’s written on is just as much use as a three year warranty that’s not worth the paper it’s written on.
  • 5 0
 Too much protein powder => super boost.
  • 2 0
 This is a logical conclusion. Haha
  • 1 0
 Anychance I can get a super deal on a V1 Following front end now we are on the 3rd generation following? Would love to get up and running again. Gutted my frame developed a lot of play in the main pivot. I was sent a pack of washers but they never solved the problem. If anyone has a orange front end please drop me a message. Loved my V1 following it was a ripper! #Help
  • 1 0
 www.pinkbike.com/photo/18393104 I had a mate with an engineering workshop drill out the ovalised pivot hole to make round again and then he turned and fitted two bushes, one for each side of the frame. Works a charm. Also run a 140mm fork and a 2* slacker headset so not impressed with the new H.A.
  • 1 0
 Sounds good buddy, would he be able to do mine?@wobbem:
  • 1 0
 Stout bikes Evil makes...usually on the heavier side. I would have liked to see Trail 270 wheels to lighten it up a bit. I this is a perfect BCBR machine just needs lighter wheels...Color options also could be better. With that being said the protein Powder color allows some nice accessorizing with color.
  • 3 0
 I think that video is boring AF compared to the tea and biscuit one. Really really boring Bike looks good except for the 157 rear hub spacing
  • 1 0
 tea and biscuits is fucking sick
  • 1 0
 The original Following changed the market. This one looks like a nice refresh. I never owned an Evil but came close and demoed several of them, enjoyed them all, but some could have used a steeper SA. But, they all pedaled well and were really fun going down. This looks like a great refresh. It would be in my short list if I was in the market.
  • 2 0
 Can someone explain to me that internal routing. It looks like it enters at head tube - down the down tube - up the seat tube - pulls a 270 degree turn to exit at seat tube/top tube brace - then enters back into seat stay?
  • 2 0
 You got a turn wrong in there - it enters the head tube and then goes through the top tube.
  • 1 0
 In at the HT, through the top tube, out at the seat tube/top tube joint and then into the seat stay. You can't put cables through the upper 2/3rds of the seat tube as the dropper is there in the way.
  • 1 0
 Looks like draggy shifting to me whatever the routing. That s-bend from top tube to swingarm. Bleurgh...
  • 4 0
 Evil bikes are one of the best bikes I’ve ridden, the Quality of the frame & warranty by far the worst.
  • 1 0
 I wish it was bike time. Yeah this is an amazing looking bit of kit and here we are. No Sea Otter or Eurobike so this roll out largely happens in PB comments. Imagine creating this machine with all that involves and some troll eats up your intro. I'm guessing that this year is gonna hurt in a lot of ways. We will have to support each other through the season that wasn't. Be safe.
  • 1 0
 Competitive conversational commenting at its best. If we aren't racing we need somewhere to let off energy. Surprised Nino didn't chime in on this thread since the Cape was canceled. Now back to answering the eternal 'What neck protection will you purchase next?'
  • 4 2
 My Orange Stage 4 weighs less, cost less, rides just as "poppy", is made from sheet metal in a shed by Brits, has almost the same geo, and has two bearings, not 80.

Nice job Evil.
  • 3 1
 have you ridden it? how do you know your bike is more poppy?

imagine having a bike that sounds like a bag of spanners strapped to your nuts.

Dont get me wrong i think evil frames are retardely expensive too
  • 3 2
 Are we looking at the same bike?
-Orange Stage 4 = 4,700 British Lbs which is roughly $5,800.
-Worse specs by a long shot, starting at the wheels and running all the way through to the suspension, so only the most impactful parts of the bike.
-No way you can know its more poppy unless you have some insider time with EVIL
-Don't know why being made of tetanus or by Brits is a plus or minus, but it should definitely be cheaper than CF

-Also while I agree that 5-6k is a lot of money for a bike in general, EVIL's prices are pretty on par with Spesh, Giant, Trek etc. and those companies have a lot more capital to spend and should be making bikes cheaper than a more boutique brand like EVIL. The price is pretty inline with Pivot and Ibis, although again a better wheelset on the Evil.

They aren't DTC prices, but evil isn't a DTC brand.
  • 1 1
 @Civicowner: Who said "more". I said "just as", which in English usually means the same, or equal to.

Have you ridden an Orange? What is it that is making noise? Do you even know?

If you know how to build a bike, you run your 1, or 2 (hoses cables) through some foam, and there is nothing to make noise on the bike?

So, it's obvious you haven't.

Nice try though.
  • 1 1
 @yourrealdad:
So apparently you don't build your own bikes.

An Orange Stage 4 frame is $2,200, not $3,100.
  • 2 0
 @zerort:

You didn't mention frame, just a bike.

Ha, assumptions. You should try them less.
I literally just finished building up a Wreckoning LB last month. My frame with an PUSH 11-6 was slightly more than your Orange frame, soooo lighter (relatively), better suspension, sexier, etc, etc, than the Orange.

I build up a lot of my bikes. I actually built up a SC Bantam frame a while back which looks pretty similar to your bike. So aluminum single pivot with old suspension designs I am familiar with.

I build many of my wheelsets too, just incase you want to make other assumptions down the line. Preventative heads up.

Also lets compare some apples to apples. I can get a Ripmo AF for $3k complete. If I was going to build it up I can get the frame for $1800. I can get the Frame with a DVO shock and bad ass DVO Diamond fork for $2300

I can get a Canfield Balance for $3400 complete, frame for $2000, frame and fork for $2600: all limited edition

With the exception of complete bikes those options are all cheaper than the Stage 6 frame alone.

I don't really see the appeal of an aluminum 110 travel bike, but different strokes for different folks.
  • 2 0
 @zerort: Lmao.... "just as"... my point still stands. Nice try at dodging the question. Have you ridden this new bike? putting money on you have not.

Yes, i know how to build a bike.
Yes, i have ridden an orange.
Oranges are notorious for being noisy. There is a reason they get called filing cabinets on wheels. Chain slap and cable rattle have nothing to do with it. Its having a giant sheet metal rear end built like a metal guitar, and if you have to fill it with foam to not sound like your bike is full of spoons then you are doing something wrong.

I will admit the new ones are way better than the old ones, not very far off bikes with hydroformed alloy tubes.


Back to your original comment. "lighter and cheaper" means very little. I notice you have eewings and no dropper on your bike, plus those horrible lightweight rotors. Not surprised its light. I could buy a 2003 XC bike and it would be lighter and cheaper than your orange. I could then go on to say being a hardtail it pops just as well as your bike. Does it mean everyone should buy one?

Nice try though.
  • 2 0
 @yourrealdad: Lmao, he is running weight weenie parts, no dropper, eewings, and one of those shitty fox float dps shocks. "BuT iTs kAsHiMa!!"
  • 1 0
 @Civicowner @yourrealdad : Actually running full Ohlins TTX suspension now.

Didn't know a dropper was mandatory on a 110mm bike on XC trails for it to be a bike.

Lighter and cheaper referred to the frameset alone - large with shock at 3kg. My Orange is probably the most expensive built Orange in existence.

Brakes work fine.

Be butt hurt less. Would love to race any of you heroes on your new Evil that you don't even own. Name the time and the place.
  • 1 0
 @zerort:

Who is the butt hurt one here? It is looking like that is more on your end. I will chalk it up to you most likely being quarantined and going stir crazy.

I am loving that you started this thread by bragging about how cheap your Orange was, but now its how its the most expensive ever built in all of existence, Jeezus.

Way to end it with the most testosterone pubescent lines I have heard lately. I guess you were the kid asking people to fight at 3:00 on the football field in middle school. Go ride your bike.
  • 1 0
 @zerort: Did you not see me say that the evil is stupidly overpriced for an average ride?

Sure, race me with a high seatpost down zen garden at maydena and see where that gets you Big Grin

Also, regarding "lighter"... it appears that this evil frame is 2700g without shock. add 300g for a shock and you get a weight the same as your orange. (Which probably weighs more than 3kg thanks to your new ohlins suspension. Did you get a matching gold chain btw????). Which is fair enough as your orange has no linkages or pivots to speak of. And dont go comparing your bike to a bike you have never ridden.

brakes- of course they work fine if you dont do any real descending.

@yourrealdad Is it possible he is talking out of his ass? Never would have thought i'd see such a thing on pinkbike....
  • 1 0
 why superboost on such a short travel bike?. I have larger feet and would rather not have even less heel clearance. Does this mean that they will up the spacing on dh bikes as im sure the bike companies will be looking to do this once we all get on superboost on xc/trail bikes. They love all this cash grabbing.
  • 3 0
 They were running "this" frame with a dual crown fork....? I don't Follow...
  • 3 0
 I doubt it. I bet another new bike from Evil is coming soon, probably a new Wreckoning.
  • 2 0
 @tatchle1: I was making a funny...

Course Evil us just fukin with us showing the new Wrecker and the dropping the short travel bike first!!
  • 4 1
 Excess engineering, some would like it. some will prefer a good design single pivot.
  • 7 2
 Please get a Starling already
  • 2 1
 It is a well designed (linkage driven) single pivot.
  • 1 0
 of all the things to dogs dinner about, the suspension should be down your list.
  • 3 1
 I honestly thought the top comments would be people losing their minds about a detailed Evil article on PB... what gives? lol
  • 4 2
 Am I the only one that gets grumpy when I see riders cutting across plants along the trail? Keep it a single track! If you want a double track, go gravel grinding.
  • 3 0
 ouch! 4200.00 canadian for a frame? looks nice but you can only look at art. and you can buy a really nice bike for 4200
  • 3 3
 Dude I see at our local trails drives a new Porsche race car looking thing with his Yeti on the roof. He is a retired special forces operator. Made a lot of cash doing contract work. Go ahead, make his day with a dentist Yeti insult.... I double dog dare you.
  • 1 0
 “Every breath I take without your permission raises my self-esteem.” —Rick Sanchez
  • 3 1
 "Super Boost"?
Sorry Evil, you guys just disqualified yourselfs in the competition of who will sell me my next short travel trail bike.
  • 5 3
 142, 148 and now 157, couldn’t we all just stick 150 for DH and everything else?
  • 7 0
 150 and 157 hubs are the same, just slightly longer endcaps. It is like 135/142 hubs, they are also the same with different endcaps. If your current 150DH hub doesn't have longer endcaps or an axle conversion, that is too bad, but most do.
  • 3 0
 Super boost and a "77*" STA. Cmon evil!
  • 4 1
 First look-last look for me no thanks
  • 2 0
 Surprised they didn’t have the new Push shock that was specifically designed for this bike on there.
  • 1 1
 I believe the new mini-Push is designed specifically for this new bike.
  • 6 5
 Trust Evil to design a bike that DOESN’T look like a Demo/Enduro, Santa Cruz, Trek, Pivot, Rocky Mountain template! This may be my next bike when I’m due to change.
  • 5 1
 Thanks BigAge!
  • 3 0
 Not having an aluminum option will always keep me away.
  • 2 0
 Sorry that 327mm bottom bracket is going to be a pedal smasher, don't mind the Super boost but BB height matters.
  • 2 0
 We have a fun FB group if you want to learn more about Evils: www.facebook.com/groups/evilbikes
  • 3 2
 Happy to see the trend towards the long established DH spacing with a few brands. Stiffer rear end and a stronger wheel, yes please.
  • 3 0
 To be a truly Evil bike, head tube angle should be 66.6.
  • 2 2
 This bike and the reaction confirms that more companies would be doing 157 for engineering reasons but are afraid for marketing reasons. Nice to see a company say f*** it and do it.
  • 3 0
 What engineering reason? It's 120mm bike, there's no engineering reason behind it.

Short Chainstays? My Riot had them with 148 rear end.
Stiffer rear end, plenty of bikes with 148 and stiff rear ends.

So what are the reasons again?
  • 1 1
 @TheOriginalTwoTone:


Guess I trust the actual engineers who designed the bike and have real data- they said it’s better because stiffer, better tire clearance, shorter chain stays which they wanted for this bike
  • 1 0
 @ces1965:
Never did i think i would see the words evil and better tire clearance in the same sentence- they need all the help they can get apparently...
  • 3 1
 It’ll probably crack and then you’ll end up waiting a year for a replacement... speaking from experience
  • 2 0
 Looks like Pole Specialized and Evil bikes had a big orgy and this comes out after 9 months
  • 2 0
 No goggles is the new goggles.
  • 1 0
 The HTA up top and in the Geo chart don't match up. I'm assuming the HTA isn't actually almost 68 degress, right??
  • 1 0
 The HTA at the top is for a 130mm fork. The geo chart is for a 120mm fork.
  • 1 0
 @lollipopmtb: I thought just the second number up top was for the 130 fork?
  • 1 0
 @goldencycle: They have a low and x-low setting.
  • 1 0
 I want it! My gen 1 following was one of my favorite bikes, but the slack STA killed me as a tall dude.
  • 2 0
 that's the raddest house-brand stem ever, hands down. change my mind.
  • 1 1
 Still confused.. is this what Agassiz was riding with a dual-crown fork? That would be THE MOST down-country bike of all time.
  • 1 0
 That is gorgeous Drool I can’t wait to see Evil reveal the new Wreckoning!
  • 1 1
 It is an awesome feeling to see those two pros riding a track, donkey trail, I put in over 100 hours to rebuild and shape t last autumn,
  • 2 0
 protein powder lol love their colour names
  • 2 1
 like everything about this except the rear axle spacing, evil dropped the ball big time.
  • 1 0
 Hnnnghghgh Evil, it's time to lower your prices though. The tariffs are no longer in effect. Thanks!
  • 2 1
 That’s a cute trail bike, where’s the new long travel 29er 180/170mm monster for the park.
  • 1 0
 Evil - please make the aluminum version for us middle class working stiff's. I promise I will buy one.
  • 1 3
 Honest question: in this day and age of incredible tech why would anyone want a full sus bike with less than 140 mm. I can race sport XC on mine then go ride DH trails with only a quick change in tire and shock pressure. If I want a bike more "poppy" than 140 mm I ride my hardtail, which is hardly ever honestly.
  • 1 0
 Easy... Some people have multiple bikes, short travel bikes are incredibly capable these days, and a lot of places in the country a bike like this is all the travel you'll need. Also most people run tubeless, so a quick tire change isn't that realistic.
  • 2 0
 I live in Omaha Nebraska. A Supercaliber or a Top Fuel would be perfect for the terrain I have.
  • 2 0
 I have four fs bikes; they can't all be over 140mm. But I bought some of them three years ago when the tech was not so incredible haha.
  • 1 0
 That color is cool because with the brightness on my screen turned low it looks like its raw aluminum.
  • 1 0
 Will they be making a Lunch Ride version..... more so, a Grim Donut version, because longer, slacker, more water etc etc
  • 2 1
 This is it. This is the correct geometry for a bike of this travel. This one. Fuck I want it.
  • 1 0
 Geometry is in the databases for comparison purposes...
geometrygeeks.bike/bike/evil-following-2020
  • 1 0
 What's the highest stack short travel bike on the market? I'm looking for 625 to 630 and 470-480 reach.
  • 2 0
 Transition smuggler. 475 reach 624 stack
  • 1 0
 The Whyte 120 C: it has a 140mm head tube length on a size large. The SantaCruz Tallboy 4 also: size XL fits more like a L and has a 140mm head tube length. And the Spot Mayhem 130 also has a high stack.
  • 1 1
 Its called a high rise bar
  • 1 0
 @Rageingdh: Thanks for that option, Stumpjumper ST is also reasonable, but the suspension is my issue with it just like the smuggler.
  • 1 0
 @bradwin2: Thanks for that list!
  • 2 0
 Would love to try this. I think it's a gorgeous bike!
  • 1 0
 Serendipity baby! Wasn't expecting this bike, but I like what they've come up with.
  • 2 0
 Beautiful bike, good job Evil.
  • 2 0
 Anyone wanna join me on the looks like a diamondback knuckle box island?
  • 1 0
 “The Following is designed to work best with a 35mm rise bar.”

How so?
  • 2 0
 Anyone know when some reviews might be coming out?
  • 2 0
 *Evil Laugh*
  • 3 0
 On Pinkbike... Damn, the end IS nigh!
  • 1 0
 Not a fan of single pivots but that is a beautiful bike!!
  • 3 6
 I reserve the “Go ahead, roll your eyes, it’s warranted" feeling for every new bike that comes out with a 4 bar linkage. The industry has taken the easy way out in design and most jumped on that after the specialized patent expired.

I like seeing different designs like this.
  • 8 4
 its still a single pivot...
  • 7 1
 It's more like "use what works". I prefer that over the "try something different just because".

Now that's not the case here, as Delta is a Weagle design, so it's all good. But four-bar is hugely popular for good reason. It's like the Chevy smallblock of suspensions - been around for ever, still kicking ass.
  • 3 0
 @adrennan: It's a linkage driven single pivot. But yes.
  • 4 3
 Nice to see Evil getting into the XC realm.
  • 2 3
 I love Evil bikes, but I came here just to count how many "PinkBike talking about Evil!?!?!" comments.....

There are none......weird.
  • 8 0
 Comments section: “Pinkbike is unjustly blackballing Evil as part of a vast corporate conspiracy, perpetrated by the mainstream cycling industry. We demand more Evil-related content, instead of the usual coverage of lame, overpriced, dentists’ bikes, like Yetis!”

Pinkbike: *posts feature on newly released Evil bike*

Comments section: “Lame!” “Overpriced!” “Only for dentists!” “SuperBoost sucks!”
  • 1 0
 I wonder what the frame weight is?
  • 2 0
 Found one site that lists at 5.98lbs (2707g).
  • 1 1
 @jeremyhamilton24: sounds good. As long as that's with shock and hardwear / axle
  • 3 0
 @olibluegoat:
It is not with shock.

Fanatik bike does a good job of actually weighing everything that is on their site.

www.fanatikbike.com/products/evil-following-v3-frame-2020?variant=31813641109550
  • 2 0
 @olibluegoat: 5.98lb with shock, hardware and axle??? Did u see all those links and pivots?
  • 1 0
 Did I miss the music credit? Sounds like the Allah Las?
  • 2 1
 Lol talk about missing the boat, it's not even an ebike!
  • 1 0
 all white bikes always make me think of the Police.
  • 5 0
 Whoop, whoop. Das da sound of tha police.
  • 1 0
 What about SmartBoost spacing?
  • 1 0
 Norbs got robbed...out of a good edit
  • 2 1
 The fork would look so much better with color matched graphics.
  • 1 0
 Good on Evil....nice looking bike.
  • 1 1
 This bike it a let down for me.I guess that I was thinking that it would have more updated geometry.
  • 1 0
 How can you not live this thing
  • 2 0
 Love at first sight!!
  • 1 0
 @cuban-b: What you want to be educated on what bike to like?
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 bring on the wrecker, aka enduro killer.
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 Sticking with the STA no matter what. Whats the warranty?
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 I would love this bike! just one thing, only 120 rear and 120-130 front? Of course this bike isnt made for my enduro riding and big jumps but a bigger bike with all these features and it would be my do it all bike, easily.
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 Err... isn't that the Evil Offering?
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 If it had 150mm I wouldn’t want it.
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 I'd say you'll see a newer long travel from them soon - a new Wreckoning
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 @tatchle1: hope so! Hopefully we won't have to wait till the next Friday the 13th.
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 guessing u didnt watch the video.
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 Looks awesome!
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 Great video and riding!
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 Scott called - they want their old Gambler knuckle box back.
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 I9 wheelset is a deal breaker. Never again!
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 What happened?
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 ???
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 You are not a true hipster if you don’t like I9 wheels and hubs.
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 @WAKIdesigns: bought an overpriced I9 hub, axle broke. first strike! To get warranted had to pay a shop to install it.second strike! But per I9’s instructions they reused the bearings. . . After some kid pounded them out. They were shot. Third strike! And all I got was attitude when I ask them why. Never again!
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 @truehipster: i was joking. I have rather low opinion of any pretentious company (save CK - I do love them) particularly one that invented super boost plus hub.
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 @WAKIdesigns: well I actually don’t care about your opinion. . . . Joking ?
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 @splsce: The noise
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 @WAKIdesigns: actually CK is legit. Everything else is junk! Your still an internet scammer !
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 @truehipster: scammer? With exclamation mark? I like when people talk like that. I like lunatics Big Grin
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 12 x 157 is the way to go!
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 2021: 15x157 to increase stiffness!
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