First Look: 2022 Pivot Shadowcat - A New 27.5" Trail Bike

Mar 1, 2022
by Henry Quinney  


Today, Pivot releases a new bike in its range - the Shadowcat. While it may tick off a lot of the attributes you would expect from a mid-travel trail bike in 2022, such as progressive geometry and a focus on both fun and efficiency, there is one notable exception that might just have you clutching your pearls - this isn't a 29er.

The 27.5"-wheeled bike, Pivot claim, is all about fun. It's a replacement for the Mach 5.5 and works around a 140mm, DW-link chassis while also coming in a weight "less than a lot of dedicated XC machines". It's also worth noting the new frame weighs less than the current 429 frames, and a mere 45g more than their Mach 4SL.
Pivot Shadowcat Details

• Wheelsize: 27.5"
• Travel: 140 (r) / 160mm (f)
• Carbon Frame
• 65.8° head angle
• Chainstay length: 430mm
• Reach: 410, 430, 460, 480mm
• From $6,199 to $13,599 USD
• Two Frame Colours
• Live Valve Compatible
pivotcycles.com


It's hard not to be too glib and take some of the claims of the new bike with a lot of salt. In fact, as exciting a prospect this mid-travel bike is, its information sheet does read like a parody of a press release from just a year or two ago. For instance, "Seriously, it’s as if people have forgotten just how awesome 27.5” wheels can be. Shadowcat is here to remind everyone of that awesomeness. Big wheels may roll beautifully, but if you really want to get rowdy, 27.5” is where it’s at" feels like something Gareth Yoghurtbottom would have perhaps written. In fact, the theme continues throughout with mentions of eye-blink direction changes, cheetahs, stewards of nature, and even Usain Bolt at one point.


Credit where it is due, there are enough mounts to fit two bottle cages, although admittedly not at the same time.

Frame Details

All that to one side, the sleek looking frame that features a low-slung top tube to maximise fit options for riders. The vertically mounted shock allows a large sized bottle to fit on any size and will mate well with Fox Live Valve, should you have it on your bike.

To look at the frame, it clearly has the same design cues as a lot of the recent Pivots, and in some ways resembles a very svelte Firebird. The cables are all internally routed, the headset is integrated, there is ample chainslap and downtube protection, as well as a SRAM UDH. It is also compatible with Pivot's Dock Tool storage system, which can fit a Topeak tool onto the frame. Unlike the Firebird, this bike uses a Boost 148mm rear axle.

In a word - sleek.

Pivot says that their carbon utilises independent strength to weight analysis for each frame size, which helps achieve consistent metrics for the frame. Custom-tuned carbon also helps scale the stiffness across all sizes, instead of following a one-size-fits-all approach. This should mean that, if we take on some broad assumptions in relation to rider weight being relative to stature, then each Shadowcat frame should ride the same irrespective of size. Similarly, the bike can be custom-built via Pivot to let the rider have the exact spec they want.

The bike is available in Danger Fruit or Blue Mirage.


Geometry


The bike's geometry looks to be more about versatility than any single focus. That said, with reasonably large reach numbers throughout and a few interesting dimensions it should be an adept descender, too. Pivot are aiming for this bike to be fun and capable, and not just the latter. To double down on this ethos, the bike comes with short 430mm chainstays, which should make it very easy to get your weight over the rear axle.

All that said, the 76 degree seat tube angle, which is by no means slack, does contribute to a large effective top tube which might make it feel quite big, even if only when sat down and seated. At 650mm for a size large, it's maybe around 30mm longer than other bikes with a similar intended purpose. For instance, the Giant Trance X, which also has 27.5" wheels, roughly the same amount of travel, and similar intentions, has an effective top tube of 622mm in the low position. In my experience, it can feel slightly disjointed to ride a bike that has two very different characters depending on whether you're seated or standing, and that cuts both ways, for instance with long-reach enduro bikes that have ultra-short top tubes.

The low stack height, combined with the aforementioned seat tube, could make this bike a very versatile machine that will feel at home on fast, flowing singletrack as well as being able to dabble with, and have fun on, steeper, more technical trails.

The short rear center should make throwing your weight around even easier.

Build Options

Pivot includes Race, Pro and Team build options, as well as wheel options on several builds. There are 8 stock options overall, including the $13,599 Live Valve XX1 AXS build. Below, is a selection of the Race and Pro options.


Race XT - $6,199

Rear Shock - Fox Performance Float DPS
Fork - Fox Performance 36 27.5”, 44mm offset, GRIP - 160mm
Headset - Pivot Precision Sealed Integrated Cartridge
Rear Mech - Shimano XT M8100 SGS 12-Speed
Shifter - Shimano SLX M7100 ISPEC EV 12-Speed
Brakes - Shimano SLX M7120 4-piston w/ 180mm rotors
Cranks - Race Face Ride 32t
Bars - Phoenix Race Low Rise Aluminum - 780mm
Stem - Phoenix Team Enduro/Trail
Seatpost - Fox Transfer Performance Elite 125mm (XS), 150mm (SM), 175mm (MD-LG)
Saddle - Phoenix WTB Race High Tail Trail (XS, SM), Phoenix WTB Race Vigo (MD-LG)
Cassette - Shimano SLX M7100 10-51t
Wheels - DT Swiss M1900 w/ DT Swiss 370 hub, 30mm
Tires - Maxxis Dissector 27.5” x 2.4” TR, EXO


Race X01 - $ 6,599

Rear Shock - Fox Performance Float DPS
Fork - Fox Performance 36 27.5”, 44mm offset, GRIP - 160mm
Headset - Pivot Precision Sealed Integrated Cartridge
Rear Mech - Sram X01 Eagle 12-Speed
Shifter - Sram GX Eagle 12-Speed
Brakes - Sram Guide RE 4-piston w/ 180mm Rotors
Cranks - Sram Descendant 7k Eagle DUB 32t
Bars - Phoenix Race Low Rise Aluminum - 780mm
Stem - Phoenix Team Enduro/Trail
Seatpost - Fox Transfer Performance Elite 125mm (XS), 150mm (SM), 175mm (MD-LG)
Saddle - Phoenix WTB Race High Tail Trail (XS, SM), Phoenix WTB Race Vigo (MD-LG)
Cassette - Sram XG-1275 10-52t
Wheels - DT Swiss M1900 w/ DT Swiss 370 hub, 30mm
Tires - Maxxis Dissector 27.5” x 2.4” TR, EXO


Pro XT-XTR Alloy Wheels

Pro XT/XTR - $7,599

Rear Shock - Fox Factory Float DPS
Fork - Fox Factory 36 27.5”, 44mm offset, GRIP - 160mm
Headset - Pivot Precision Sealed Integrated Cartridge
Rear Mech - Shimano XTR M9100 SGS 12-Speed
Shifter - Shimano XT M8100 ISPEC EV 12-Speed
Brakes - Shimano XT M8120 4-piston w/ 180mm rotors
Cranks - Race Face Æffect R 32t
Bars - Phoenix Race Low Rise Carbon - 760mm (XS-SM) 780mm (MD-LG)
Stem - Phoenix Team Enduro/Trail
Seatpost - Fox Transfer Factory 125mm (XS), 150mm (SM), 175mm (MD-LG)
Saddle - Phoenix WTB Race High Tail Trail (XS, SM), Phoenix WTB Race Vigo (MD-LG)
Cassette - Shimano XT M8100 10-51t
Wheels - DT Swiss XM1700 w/ DT Swiss 350 hub & 36t Star Ratchet 30mm
Wheel Option - Reynolds Blacklabel Low Profile Trail w/ Industry Nine hub, 32mm
Tires - Maxxis Dissector 27.5” x 2.4” TR, EXO


Pro X01 - $8,199

Rear Shock - Fox Factory Float DPS
Fork - Fox Factory 36 27.5”, 44mm offset, GRIP - 160mm
Headset - Pivot Precision Sealed Integrated Cartridge
Rear Mech - Sram X01 Eagle 12-Speed
Shifter - Sram X01 Eagle 12-Speed
Brakes - Sram G2 RSC 4-piston w/ 180mm Rotors
Cranks - Sram X01 Eagle DUB 32t
Bars - Phoenix Race Low Rise Carbon - 760mm (XS-SM) 780mm (MD-LG)
Stem - Phoenix Team Enduro/Trail
Seatpost - Fox Transfer Factory 125mm (XS), 150mm (SM), 175mm (MD-LG)
Saddle - Phoenix WTB Race High Tail Trail (XS, SM), Phoenix WTB Race Vigo (MD-LG)
Cassette - Sram XG-1275 10-52t
Wheels - DT Swiss XM1700 w/ DT Swiss 350 hub & 36t Star Ratchet 30mm
Wheel Option - Reynolds Blacklabel Low Profile Trail w/ Industry Nine hub, 32mm
Tires - Maxxis Dissector 27.5” x 2.4” TR, EXO



The Shadowcat is available now through Pivot Dealers worldwide.


249 Comments

  • 457 5
 Nothing against slx, but calling an XT model a bike with full slx but the derailleur is pretty lame
  • 143 0
 That's a move straight out of the 90s!
  • 129 0
 Same for the X01 model. Only the rear mech is X01, the rest is GX.
  • 41 2
 @Adwardok: no mention of the colour ‘Danger Fruit’….

No thanks, I’ll wait for Whale Skin Dried Peach Finger Lime Apple Cider Dark White
  • 92 7
 @Waldon83: dog dick red
  • 15 11
 nothing against anyone or anything but, that looks like the rear triangle from mach 5.5 with the front triangle from the switchblade.. one sized down(like they named the large M, the medium S and so on); it would also explain the wird geo numbers... that long ETT, that xc low bbh.., basically a 66 HA, all with a 160mil fork.(66HA with 160mil fork??)

I'm not saying it is bad.. as I can see alot of ppl on xc-ish trails on bikes with much more travel than they need or that trail requires but, for me, it simply looks... weird.
  • 9 2
 Read Pivot talking about their prices: they explain they don’t want to do low spec builds that they wouldn’t want to ride. Apparently they like slx brakes and trigger.
  • 74 2
 Nothing wrong with Slx but everyone knows you go XT shifter minimum, Slx mech is fine.
  • 7 0
 @thingswelike: good ol 'mountain mix'
  • 4 0
 @Waldon83: "No thanks, I’ll wait for Whale Skin Dried Peach Finger Lime Apple Cider Dark White"
That's a kind of mid-grey, isn't it?
  • 17 0
 @DC1988: yep. Shifters are one of the few places on a bike that you can get real benefits from upgrading. Lucky they’re often quite affordable. Well they were pre pandemic anyway.
  • 63 0
 Maybe they should have called it "XT ready" Smile
  • 8 1
 That's typical brand behavior. Its also why shimano hasn't made it widely known that all the DynaSys rear derailleurs are the same cable pull geometry. So as to avoid brands ordering for example, SLX 12sp rear derailleurs to put them on a bike with a Deore 10sp shifter and a sunrace wide-range 10 speed cassette (which would be cheaper than just buying the deore 11 speed shifter, derailleur and cassette to get the same gear range).
  • 38 2
 Would rather have xt shifter than xt rear mech
  • 34 0
 Pivot's prices for their bikes continue to astound me. Over 6K USD for a bike not fully kitted with at least an XT drivetrain and at least an Fox Elite fork (just an example)?
  • 48 2
 SLX identifying as XT
  • 4 5
 @DC1988: I've always liked the feel of the SLX shifter more than XT - I feel like the SLX is more linear whereas with XT there is something of a detent you have to push through.
  • 5 2
 @eugenux: You called it. This is a parts bin bike.
  • 7 1
 I don't know why they cheapen themselves like this. They make incredible bikes that ride fantastically and punch above their weight... SLX vs. XT components is maybe $150-$250 difference in cost for the manufacturer, just spec a better bike and expect to sell more to recoup the cost.
  • 7 1
 I would probably size down if I bought one of these and a 66 degree head tube angle is great if you want to jibb and jump rather than plow but still want enough travel to party. I ride a spire in the low setting so I’m all about aggressive geo but this bike is aimed for a completely different riding style and trail that the spire is just not that fun on. With the extra travel you can get away with lighter parts and tires and ride aggressively without breaking stuff and a little bit of forgiveness when you forget you are on a trail bike. This bike would be great for the type of technical dh and jump features I like to build and ride and I want more rear travel if I’m going to ride something wide open and fast that a 63ish degree head tube angle is suited for.
  • 4 1
 @cgreaseman: Its fine to armchair quarterback about what brands should do but in reality most mountain bikers don't drop this sort of money on their bikes anyway. The majority of riders don't do races, don't live near bike parks with chair lifts, and don't spend even 6k USD when shopping for a new bike, let alone 13k.
  • 2 1
 @tigerfish50: don't wait--'the time is meow'

@eugenux: look again--lighter than even Switchblade. All Pivots have weird geos now

@bulletbassman: hta is barely slacker than 5.5. Aren't Scout or Firebird 29 better candidates for downsizing? At least Firebird has proportional chainstay lengths
  • 1 0
 @Middnight: I though that was only a Wheel color.
  • 8 12
flag kwsvox (Mar 1, 2022 at 9:40) (Below Threshold)
 Pivot is notorious for the bait and switch scam. They say it's "XO build" when the only thing XO is the stupid derailleur. Most people don't bother to look into the fact that the shifter is cheap GX. The cassette is even cheaper and so on. Then Pivot has lost their damn minds on the prices! On top of all that, they're even too cheap to have threaded bottom bracket's on their bikes. SCREW PIVOT!!
  • 10 0
 @mainflyer:
It's that you get the double shift down the cassette as well, that's only on XT and XTR
  • 8 1
 Pivot has been doing this for years. Not that they're the only ones. My big complaint with this is that it's the derailleur that's XT and not the shifter. I'm just gonna smash it on a rock and need a new one anyway.
  • 9 2
 That's the Pivot way. Honestly, my favorite local bike shop picked them up (and I'm good friends with the product manager) and I had to ask him what he was smoking when they dropped Kona for Pivot. They have a Mach 6 in stock right now, XT mech, SLX everything else with a Z1 fork and Marz rear shock for $8300CAD. Shit, you can get a Santa Cruz with a better build than that for $7500CAD.
  • 5 2
 Been saying this for years. Got into it with a Pivot rep and a dealer on separate occasions about it. Ridiculous.
  • 3 2
 Pivot has done this for years, and next to the high prices it really bums you out.
  • 3 0
 At least it's cheap. Blank Stare
  • 1 0
 @Adwardok: GOX
  • 4 5
 That's the way Pivot Rolls. They think customers are stupid. They won't sell a super boost frame without cranks cause they don't think their buyers are smart enough to figure what cranks work.
  • 3 0
 @eugenux: Agreed with most of your comment, except one aspect I like is that I appreciate a better ETT/reach ratio on a trail bike. This ratio has gotten somewhat out of whack lately with longer and longer reaches combined with steeper seat angles decreasing top tube. On an enduro bike or for which and plummet riding, the more upright position is likely fine, but for a trail bike, I expect a lot more time in the saddle (YMMV), so a more optimal pedaling position with less weight on the hands is preferred for some riders.
  • 1 0
 @eugenux: look again, backside is totally different and front is simmilar but much lower top tube etc....
  • 104 6
 This has shot straight to the top of my shopping list. Long live 27.5!
  • 14 2
 Yup - finally.
  • 27 3
 Looks like they are pivoting away from superboost...Smile
  • 7 0
 Let's hope other brands are designing similar bikes as well!
  • 12 0
 @cpobanz: I think Pivot have gone superboost for all 29ers, RegBoost for all 27.5.
  • 2 0
 @ejj: I think you're right with the exception of the super XC-race-y bikes
  • 3 1
 @CantClimb: username checks out
  • 1 6
flag ceecee (Mar 1, 2022 at 11:50) (Below Threshold)
 Rejoice, small kitten. The nominal toptube is more likely to suit you than the women to whom this seems to be marketed
  • 4 0
 I’m not particularly fond of this bike and build options but as someone hoping to stay 27.5 it is getting to be a short lost to choose from.
  • 5 0
 Get ready for the PB Funcountry Shootout!
  • 74 11
 Pinkbike commenters are shocked, SHOCKED, that a company that has only ever had unreasonable pricing and bullshit builds has unreasonable pricing and bullshit builds on new model.
  • 6 23
flag NorCalNomad (Mar 1, 2022 at 12:35) (Below Threshold)
 Man stfu if you can't do basic comparisons. SC, Specialized, and a lot of of brands have builds that are in the exact same ballpark.
  • 9 2
 @NorCalNomad: Bold of you to assume I don't think those builds are bullshit as well.
  • 65 5
 Thank god a company still understands the value of a bike without wagon wheels
  • 6 8
 There are quite a few 27.5 out there, like the Guerilla Gravity Shred Dogg and Mega Trail.
  • 3 0
 @nurseben: Propain Tyee as well.
  • 6 2
 @nurseben: serious question, does gg pay you?
  • 2 0
 New giant trance too
  • 58 8
 I hate how the industry markets 27.5 as the only "fun" size. I currently ride 27.5 but I fail to see how 29ers are not "fun" either. I have never had a bike that was not fun, and I have had many. 26, 27.5, and 29. All a hoot. Bikes by them selves are not fun and do nothing unless you get on them and make them fun. If you can't have fun on any bike, your doing it wrong.
  • 14 32
flag chakaping (Mar 1, 2022 at 5:44) (Below Threshold)
 Well they've got to find something good about 27in wheels. Any other suggestions?
  • 20 13
 Literally a comment complaining about nothing. No one is stopping you from having fun on a 29er
  • 10 3
 If you have one of each, it's much easier to feel the difference. My Shred Dogg is way more flickable and playful than my Lithium.
  • 11 0
 "Fun" is a short/quick term to describe the playfulness and maneuverability that is gained when riding bikes with smaller diameter wheels. The assumption is that people enjoy those gains in a "less serious" way than they do the speed and stability gains of a larger wheel... thus "fun" as apposed to "fast".
  • 2 0
 @chakaping: stronger
  • 3 4
 @me2menow: no one asking you or enyone else to call 27.5 "fun" size.
  • 3 5
 @Brdjanin: cry about it some more to help cope with the fomo
  • 5 1
 @Baller7756: If you have a BMX background, anything can be fun.
  • 3 1
 @IndySteel: Sure... but whatever level of "fun" you can achieve on a 29'er can be surpassed on a 27.5" bike, so... always more "fun". Much like any speed or time you can achieve on a 27.5" bike can be surpassed on a 29" bike... so... always faster.
  • 53 2
 - "Weighs less than a lot of dedicated XC machines"
- won't say how much it weighs
Get out.
  • 17 1
 I googled it, and it seems that the XT build in a Medium weighs around 26.4lbs.
  • 12 0
 @Endurahbrah: If that's true, this is pretty killer!
  • 7 0
 Xtr pro build is 28.5 out of the box with ways to get the bike lighter. The team xtr and xx1 are around 26 pounds
  • 16 0
 The pro XT build weighed just under 28 pounds without pedals in our shop, that's impressive for a bike with so much suspension.
  • 27 1
 I love these bikes. I've given 29 a few chances, I never liked it. I hope that the industry never phases out 27.5
  • 26 4
 This bike seems decent spec, if still a bit COVID-priced (like most things nowadays). No SX/NX crap.
How does the top spec model justify its $7,400 markup? That's more than the price of the base model EXTRA. Does it come included with a mechanic? Lifetime shuttle service? Does it pick-up your children from school for you?
  • 11 1
 It has a valve...that lives.
  • 5 0
 @Aksel31: lives or lives?
  • 27 1
 @Davec85: I don't have the BMX background to answer this... Frown
  • 2 1
 does it come with a mechanic ...i lollled
  • 23 2
 "Seriously, it’s as if people have forgotten just how awesome 27.5” wheels can be."

No, no a lot of us haven't. Its big bike industry pushing 29ers, tryna phase 27.5 out. Thinking we all want to be enduro racers and just straight-line plough through everything.
  • 3 3
 After 20 minutes I could care less about whatever wheel is on the bike. I'd rather they just cut down on sizes and have stuff in stock and not priced in the stratosphere. The Maxxis Minion comes in 27.5x2.5, 27.5x2.6, 29x2.5, 29x2.6. Is there an appreciable difference between those? Not really.

When you count the compounds available Maxxis makes 13 different 29x2.5 or 29x2.6 tires
  • 19 1
 Trying to trick everyone with build names is lame. That stuff turns me off the brand instantly. People will pay whatever for something they like without the deceptive marketing.
  • 31 11
 27,5" looks so weird now.
Or is just the saddle too big?
  • 16 1
 Looks weird cuz nowadays you can see 29ers everywhere. Nothing wrong with this. I just hope bike industry keeps these 2 wheel sizes for us, and those (ugly) 36ers will be just for museums, with the following tag: "a wrong direction of bike evolution"
  • 5 0
 True. And yes, that saddle looks like big and ugly indeed.

I don’t know what it is but 9 out of 10 bikes look way less good in the catalogue shots than that they do in real life or say in a proper side profile shot with a long lens out in the wild..
  • 4 0
 @DutchmanPhotos: yeah, that saddle is awful!!!
  • 5 4
 Had exactly the same thought. The frog is boiled. But my S framed 26er still looks normal to me. To eliminate ugly looking bikes we need this: size S frames on 26" wheels, size M on 27.5, and size L and above on 29". With mullet option obvs. Why stop at messing about with chain stay lengths?
  • 5 4
 At least it looks less wrong than 29" front, 27.5" rear. Mullets to me look weirdly unnatural. Like as if there was something wrong with the bike.
  • 1 0
 @steviestokes: indeed, my couch is smaller
  • 6 1
 @BenPea: absolutely not. Just because I’m tall doesn't mean I want wagon wheels
  • 10 0
 @peterfoley5: you just need to mullet over
  • 18 4
 I was following a guy on a Slash the other day, riding my older 160/140 27.5 rig.
Took some POV footage. It was shocking how much less effort he put into his riding.
I did many moves that he wasn't even bothered to imitate. Just straight lined everything and kept going.
My 29er is sure safe and fast. Yet the question keeps coming back to me:
Why are we riding bikes? Is our ultimate goal being the fastest, or the happiest.
We wish to believe in both, but beyond a certain point, you have to pick your poison.
  • 2 0
 there are many dichotomies between happy and another thing that I agree with. for instance, you can be right or you can be happy...meaning you might win the argument but are you going to make yourself happier in the process? probably not.

but happy vs fast? nah. you can definitely be both.
  • 16 0
 Danger fruit, what a colour name. I want one just for that.
'oh, nice bike, what colour is that?'
'DANGER FRUIT'
  • 2 2
 ...should have been '"Passion Fruit" IMO.
  • 10 0
 Danger Fruit Shadow Cat
  • 16 1
 i like how were being reintroduced to 27.5 wheels now. Almost like they never existed, but now they are new and magical and fast again.
  • 5 1
 Or that this model didn’t already exist… with a different name.
  • 2 1
 Oh not fast, but FUN, because 29ers aren’t supposedly
  • 1 3
 From the brand that thought Superboost was a good idea
  • 13 3
 Why do I always get the desire to speak with my boss about my salary, as it isn't in line with the current bike pricing.
Do I need to ride Wallmart bikes nowadays as the "Brands" are batteling the sky rocket pricepoint???

It is nice to see bikes that are well made and that have the latest and greatest stuff on it, but 4k is already more than most of us are willing to pay. So where are the bikes for us?
I am not a dentist but I'm a well paid employee and still wonder how much bikes tend to cost these days.
  • 6 2
 they will slowly(or not that slowly) becomes like Porsches. Toys only for the wealthy among us(if you want high end stuff); othewise, there are still Vituses out there from which you can have your almost affordable bikes.
  • 3 1
 There are plenty of good $2k hardtail options on the market.
  • 9 1
 @AndrewFleming: those used to be 1k though and we're all told we need Enduro/downcountry bikes!
  • 4 0
 @Mac1987: There are some really nice $1k bikes. The entry-level bikes have been less affected by this recent inflation. And you can use that $2k hardtail as an enduro/downcountry bike!
  • 4 0
 @AndrewFleming: not sure my (lack of) skills would permit me to do lift assisted runs on a hardtail without ruining the fun... A 2017 full sus works just fine though and will remain my main bike for a bit longer with these prices
  • 3 0
 @Mac1987: Good on ya for not listening to whoever is telling you that you need a new bike.
  • 2 0
 Just trying to keep running my 2018 bike for as long as possible...
  • 3 0
 I mean it's a loaded carbon bike from a brand that has always been expensive. You can get a aluminum Trace X and just pedal harder.
  • 12 0
 Mid travel rig with dual 27.5's and 148 spacing...hell ya...I could probably live with a Pressfit BB for this. 2 out 3 ain't bad.
  • 14 0
 27.5 AIN'T DEAD!!!
  • 32 23
 Can’t wait to for some 48 year old Range Rover Sport driver with a full pack on a five mile ride to tell me how much “fun” this bike is. “It’s so nimble on blown out 2002 era single track”
  • 3 5
 Lol classic.
  • 5 5
 The Dentists are flaming you with their dislikes
  • 3 3
 BMW 5 class here, son ;-)
  • 14 0
 This comment smells like colorado
  • 15 2
 Eh, those guys moved on to eBikes years ago
  • 3 3
 LOL cry about it
  • 4 3
 Said Range Rover yuppie will say it's more "flickable" and "playful" while riding gumby trails, tires on the ground the whole time.
  • 2 1
 @focofox37: down voted for commenting props on an up voted comment...classic.
  • 2 1
 @jason475: it's like debeading a tire while riding in a straight line
  • 13 2
 Nice to see a brand making a new 27.5" wheel bike. Awful name.
  • 11 4
 Pivot make themselves look like they don’t know how bike components work when they offer builds that upgrade the derailleur instead of the shifter. Is this 80’s marketing? You’d think any real bike brand would have figured this out by now.
  • 1 0
 Many do it. Pivot knows just like every single one of them. And it isn't 80's, mixing didn't really happen back then. More of a mid 90's move
  • 15 8
 Brilliant! Such a breath of fresh air to see a mountain bike company actually realising what the sport is about. Fun! Since the deletion of 26ers this has been lost. It's all about going faster, setting Stravasole times and winning races. In the world of wagon wheels and absolutely hideous, fad Mullet bikes it's great to see a proper bike with 27.5 wheels at both ends. Now time for other bike companies to follow suit.
  • 2 0
 Doesn't compute. I do have fun on the jumps and I'm riding a 29er.
  • 1 0
 @Muscovir: I used to think exactly the same thing about my 29er...until I got back on a 27.5! Not as fast but so much more fun. Shame it wasn't a 26er.
  • 7 0
 Just a quick fact check based on Pivot's website - this bike comes with the FIT4, not the GRIP as reported in the article. Something else not noted, the 2.4 tires it comes with stock are the maximum allowed tire size for frame clearance. Both of those things seem like really questionable decisions... I'm a big fan of the 5.5 that this seems to be replacing, and I'm happy to see a better seat tube angle on this one, but the fork choice and tire restrictions seem like misses to me.
  • 10 0
 Looks superb - reminds me of the Transition Spur
  • 5 0
 I was scanning the comments looking for a Spur reference. The frame is nearly a clone of the Spur. It looks great in Pivot clothing as well. The geo seems a bit wonky on this one... but if Transition made a 27.5 Spur... id be in.
  • 3 0
 @Baller7756: or a XXL in the scout
  • 4 0
 @Baller7756: I've been dreaming of a 27.5 spur for months now...
  • 5 0
 Also aren’t the more expensive models fit4 not grip ?

Such lame advertising, Pivot is cool and all but if I have to be a doctor or dentist to afford one then that’s a hard no for me bro.
  • 2 0
 Yeah, the last pic in the article shows the top of the fork with the Fit4 not Grip. What's that about?
  • 3 1
 @zarban: The FIT4 damper is far ligher than GRIP2, this is why Pivot is using it.
  • 2 1
 @joshbm1: Yeah but in my experience it's horrible. I know some people like it but I absolutely couldn't get along with it
  • 6 2
 @zarban: It all adds up, and honestly 99% of riders on this forum aren't good enough to tell the difference on the trail.
  • 9 0
 Looks Puuuurfect
  • 9 1
 BY THE EYE OF THUNDERA, GIVE ME BUDGET BEYOND BUDGET
  • 5 1
 Yeah sorry all, other than the seat which looks like it has been photo shopped on the bike has good looking lines and the geo hits the sweet spot for allot of different riding locations. Pivots are expensive and so are Yetis. Im glad they are finally getting better with their color picks too. The older models looked like Winnebago.
  • 5 2
 15k with sales tax... Might as well finance it, maybe the dealer could package in a 300 buck helmet, a 1000 buck car rack and an 80 buck repair kit that fits in the headtube or something. 0 percent down low low low APR! Dont forget the undercoating and lifetime service agreement with additional warranty. "What kind of payment were you thinking? Let me talk to the finance manager."
  • 6 0
 All the people telling everyone that a 29r is just as fun and nimble as a 27.5 dont have bmx backgrounds.
  • 3 0
 I have a Mach 6. When I pull this new bike up and compare the M6 to it, they're near identical when the M6 is in the flip chip high setting. They changed the the shock, tires and colors - and boy did they change the marketing message. Geometry appears to be the same.
  • 5 0
 A mountain bike for mountain biking. I can dig it!
  • 4 0
 That looks like a seriously fun bike. The mach 5.5 was a winner and this looks every bit as cool.
  • 3 0
 Giant, Canyon and now Pivot with brand new 27.5" trailbikes for '22. Transition too if we count the alloy Scout as a new release.
  • 3 0
 Man this is actually exactly what I want…except they don’t offer a frame only option and the lowest spec is $6k. So frustrating
  • 1 0
 ibis mojo?
  • 2 0
 Big props for the bottle mounts, small detail but appreciated. So many frames only allow for a small bottle to just fit, but have lots of space between cage and shock’s travel.
  • 1 0
 So they are willing to do, and tout, size specific layup, but not chainstay lengths, despite more than 7cm of front center change between sizes. That difference between FC:RC ratios through the sizes going to affect the size specific ride quality way more than a little bit of frame compliance difference.
  • 3 3
 Current Pivot bikes ride great. I’m sure this one will too.

Most “playful” current stuff I’ve tried though is from Evil. Turns out making a bike that hunts side hits and loves to be thrown around in the air isn’t about wheel size. It’s about rear center (chainstay) length and suspension kinematics.

At the other extreme, the Yeti ASR7 was a bruiser, with 26” wheels.

So……cling to your wee wheels if you must, but don’t kid yourself about their attributes. Wheel size is only one part of how a bike rides-geometry and suspension tune are waaaaay more important.

And 29 wheels roll better.
  • 4 1
 @wyorider

Are you kidding me about wheel size in the air?! Go watch redbull and every single slopestyle competition, and show me where anyone is running 29” wheels…
  • 1 1
 @Saidrick: if you're tricking on dedicated DJ trails, sure. For just getting a little style on a trail ride, 29 all day. Also pretty sure that if someone built a DJ or slopestyle frame with the right geometry with 29er wheels it'd be hella rad.

Maximum playfulness/style is a 20" wheel bike-but would you want to do a 30 mile ride on a freestyle bike???
  • 2 0
 Throw _into_ the air, yes. Throw _around_ in the air, nah. Bigger wheels are just heavier, and while rotational weight may be neglible, swing weight is not and bigger wheels put more weight towards the ends of the bike.
  • 3 3
 What I stumble upon more and more:
Yes, a 27.5 bike on paper might be more agile, but then to say if you want more „fun“ you better choose the 27.5 bike is pretty weak.
I for myself now own a big 29er Supreme coming from a super short 27.5 RM Maiden and I have the same fun, if not more on the new bike. It just depends on what your looking for, not what the Marketing Department decides for you.
  • 2 0
 Fun is subjective, and in this case marketing is using it to oppose fast. Fast is often fun, yes, but when not going super fast, a bike like this can be subjectively much more fun. Less effort required to move it around, so more effort available for getting weird.
  • 5 3
 Another bike where the row of chainstay length numbers don't change on the geo chart. Another bike I'll pass by with a nope.
  • 8 1
 Real curiosity: why do you care about the chainstay length on bikes that aren't your size? You aren't going to be riding all of them.
  • 2 0
 @OvaltineJenkins: exactly. Because the ride will be quite a bit different if you're not on the size those chainstays are optimized for. They spent the effort on size specific layouts, but that's kinda pointless since the small frames put the rider way more forward on the bike relative to the larger frames, and vice versa. Trying to match frame compliance between sizes is kinda stupid when considering the unmatched rider positioning between sizes.
  • 4 0
 clearly this bike was influenced by BMX.
  • 3 0
 Well I guess something had to fill the void the trek remedy is leaving behind
  • 3 0
 Looks like a carbon Banshee.
  • 4 3
 The Hell you say! Those are fighting words!. Never say a bike from a brand that calls its color "passion fruit", looks like a Banshee, as Banshee does not deserve that kind of hate lol
  • 1 0
 So it looks like Pivot is backing off of 157? Consider their lighter more xc oriented Trail 429 has less travel and is on 157.
  • 3 1
 Nope. It's that 157/super boost is unnecessary on 27.5 bikes. It's about the wheel size, not the amount of travel.
  • 3 0
 @MtbSince84: the Mach 6 is super boost.. clearly they just forgot to super boost this one or something.
  • 1 0
 @johannensc: Interesting, hadn't realized that. I guess it's wheel size x intended burliness.
  • 2 0
 @MtbSince84: wheel size combined with chainstay length and tire clearance. 430mm chainstays on 27.5 isn't super crazy, especially with only 2.4 max tire width. The same chainstays on 29 with same or more tire clearance is tough with boost148 but much easier with sb157.

And I don't think they were comparing it to the 429 because of travel, more because of intended use. Sb157 is also touted as being stiffer, so maybe their thought was: why does a lightweight xc/trail bike need wheels stiff enough for a 400 pound gorilla to schralp berms to death?
  • 1 1
 @MtbSince84: they also could have used sb157 on 27.5 to help increase tire clearance.

Or do some fancy chainstay designing. Instead they went the cheapest route (and didn't pass any of that savings on) and just limited the tire size. Lame.
  • 1 0
 @justinfoil: Maybe, but the outgoing Mach 5.5 had ample clearance with a 2.6 tire in Boost 148 spacing and identical chainstay length. I really don't think the decision is design-based, since 157 clearly isn't needed on 27.5, even for a burly bike with short stays. I think it's more likely a marketing/perceived uptake choice. Very few companies have gone 157 on 27.5, so it certainly isn't too much of a challenge. The outlier here is the Mach 6. That choice seemed peculiar to me.
  • 1 0
 @Climbtech: of course it's not a challenge to do sb157 in 27.5, it's a cop out for easy tire clearance. On the m5.5 they spent effort on chainstay design to make room for 2.6 tires on b148, on the m6 they went the lazy route with sb157 and spent rear end clearance to add tire clearance. On this shadowcat the did neither and just left it with limited tire sizes, also lazy.
  • 3 0
 It’s basically a transition scout
  • 2 0
 Or a Trek Remedy (only sized up M = L)
  • 1 0
 With a steeper head angle and slacker seat tube yeah
  • 3 0
 Yes, those but with the best suspension design out there and likely better tubing for less weight, sure
  • 1 0
 It would definitely be interesting to ride the two of them back to back. The dw link would be nice to try on the scout but I personally wouldn't want to give up almost 2° of head angle
  • 2 0
 Their website lists all the top builds having a FIT4 damper, not GRIP2. Is that correct?
  • 2 0
 Seems that way. The last pic in the article clearly shows that it has the Fit4 not the Grip2 damper.
  • 2 2
 The FIT4 damper is significantly lighter than the GRIP2, that is why they are using it here.
  • 3 0
 @joshbm1: seems like a dumb way to cut weight on a 160mm fork IMO
  • 3 3
 @Jshemuel: The attention to detail Chris takes with his agenda on each model is a testament to how these bikes ride. Getting a 160mm travel bike under 28 pounds is impressive.
  • 2 1
 @Jshemuel: Agreed, it's not that much lighter and it's definitely not as good.
  • 2 1
 @joshbm1: but he missed the detail where different sizes with identical angles and chainstays simply won't ride the same. Which size is a testament to how these bikes ride? Is it the XS that will want to rail corners with its relatively smaller FC:RC ratio? Or the L slashing every berm with it's bigger FC:RC?
  • 2 0
 Oh goody! Finally a bike made for "fun"...as opposed to for something else?
  • 2 2
 Sraightlining
  • 2 0
 From their website, as the header to the geometry chart: "A bike for every size"

XL curiously absent.

Next.
  • 2 1
 A bike for every size, but the XS has chainstays 20mm longer than the reach, while large is 50mm longer reach over chainstays. Extra smalls are going to rail turns relative the larges doing cutties with a thought.
  • 2 1
 Yeah, I was ready to order this thing until I realized the geo sheet ended where it does. BR article said "Pivot figures that anyone who would need an XL frame would rather be on proportionally sized 29″ wheels."

I remember when I broke the 6' barrier and just instantly didn't want to have fun anymore.
  • 3 1
 So it’s a Mach 5.5 with a vertical shock update and some new colors like the rest of their bikes.
  • 4 2
 Another thing that’s got me clutching my pearls is the price
  • 2 0
 I learned a new phrase (as so often with Henry): clutching your pearls
  • 2 1
 I take it you've never met Karen.
  • 2 0
 Is that Pink Porsche's rubystone red ?
  • 1 0
 Seems pretty close. Although maybe Porsche's Rubinrot is a slightly lighter shade.
  • 1 1
 looks like a proper light, fun, small wheel shreddy trail bike which is a really fun, under-appreciated bike category. Too bad it's so pricey
  • 3 1
 Throw on a 140-150 29fork and you have a nice mullet there...
  • 3 1
 Yeah, let me just drop 6 grand on a bike real quick...
  • 2 1
 Entry level with cheap parts at that...lol
  • 2 0
 I'm just here for the bedazzled downtube.
  • 3 1
 no superboost from pivot, did they finally wake up?
  • 2 0
 $6K &$7K builds come with a Fox dps?
  • 1 2
 Looks like Cocalis finally admitted that the hub standard he made up (157 SuperBoost) was pointless from day one. Great that they finally stop trying to be different just for the sake of being different.
  • 1 1
 Is this considered a downtrail bike? The Transition Spur or Rocky Mountain Element seem to be better value. The Element XS runs 27.5 and you have builds from US$2559.
  • 1 0
 What's the reason for 27.5 in this bike. 29 seems so much of a better option for a high level trail bike. Just a question
  • 3 2
 Shadow Cat? Psh. How About "Hank the Tank"
  • 3 2
 How low do top tubes need to be before seat posts start bending?
  • 3 2
 Oh, I actually was quite happy about the geometry. My bike also has a 400mm seattube with 460mm reach. It's perfect. No issues with the seatpost so far. Just run the seat slammed and the seattube will protect it nicely. No experience with running the seat at XC height but they talk about "rowdy" etc in the article so it doesn't make sense to run the seat that high. That said, my previous frame (also with a 400mm seattube) needed a 26.8mm diameter (DMR standard at the time) seatpost and there wasn't a single one that survived at XC height. Just seated pedaling over the road to the trailhead (and I kept it low in terrain) and they all just bent from me just pedaling at a weight of below 70kg. Azonic, NC17, RaceFace, all of them. Eventually I got a shorter Thomson and never raised that one Wink . But yeah, I think seatpost diameter matters a lot. 26.8mm just isn't up to cope with a 300mm extension (for a 400mm seatpost). My current frame has a 31.6mm seatpost and even though I haven't tried it, I trust it won't bend as easily even when raised to XC height. Most modern frames take similar or larger diameter seatposts so I trust you'll be fine. Dropper posts may have a smaller diameter stanchion but they won't extend 300mm either. Just sliding the complete dropper unit up a bit won't hurt. But it is good they've made the seattube itself short so that people can still run the saddle low if they want that.
  • 3 0
 Once you’ve tried a 210 dropper you won’t go back.
  • 1 1
 @wyorider: That's the thing. For the riding I do, I never feel the need to raise the saddle. The bike feels so much more alive when I stand up, I'd rather go for short rides and ride like that than preserve energy when sitting down just to be able to ride longer. I've got enough time the rest of the day to preserve energy. If I'd have big mountains nearby and do lots of epic riding, it may be a different story. But most of my rides are 1 to 2 hours long so I don't need to sit.
  • 2 0
 13 6 just seems silly.
  • 1 0
 27 2 if you actually want the two claimed frame colors. 13 6 gets you only one color.
  • 2 1
 Yay for 27.5 but yeah, who needs a savings account anyways.
  • 3 2
 So they made an Evil Calling.
  • 2 1
 Yeah, only not quite as good and for WAY more $$$.
  • 1 0
 sweet, but we need long travel bikes with 27.5! and 26
  • 2 0
 They make a long travel 27.5 bike, check out the Mach 6 they just redesigned for 2021.
  • 1 0
 SlopeDuro bikes So hot right now
  • 1 1
 No superboost is the real story. Is it for backwards compatibility or is pivot abondonii g superboost.
  • 2 1
 And not an XL in sight. Eeeeew.
  • 2 0
 Bold move cotton...
  • 1 0
 Snarf called - Thundercats have a fleet on pre-order.
  • 1 0
 Yes! Forget speed and remember fun, keep 27.5 alive!
  • 1 0
 I mean, sure!1
  • 1 0
 What's the frame weight?
  • 3 5
 Where's the modern geo? Where's the threaded bottom bracket?? Why is Pivot asking dentist prices for bikes that have cheap parts on them??? Scamming Bastadz!
  • 1 0
 Weight?
  • 1 3
 what garbage. recycled parts from the warehouse and a new paint job don’t make a new bike. as always horrible specs as well.
  • 11 14
 Meh, dated geo and overpriced, like the rest of their bikes, move along. Maybe Arizona isn't that steep but you gotta wanna sell bikes elsewhere and this just aint it.
  • 10 1
 Not dated at all for what the bike is, a trail bike, NOT a super plow 170mm enduro that needs super slack, super long, super steep seat tube angle. Your profile says Golden. I rode my Mach 5.5 ALL around the front range and in the Rockies for 2.5 years, zero issues and it had similar geometry.
  • 4 7
 Yeah, no! Absolutely no! A $6k entry price that ramps up to $13k... If you need a $13k bike... your sponsors will be footing the bill. This is ridiculous
  • 2 1
 So what you're saying, is that the Team build is for sponsored riders?
  • 3 1
 @barp: I'm saying that if you think you're good enough to warrant needing a $13k bike, you don't have to worry about paying for it. That the rest of us, should spend our time and energy on the trail
  • 5 8
 I hope I'm not the only one here who would rather hear about the new Donut than anything else out of this company? (:
  • 6 1
 Yet you commented anyway?
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