It shouldn't come as any surprise that Yeti have been working on a new eMTB. After all, at this point every large brand has one in their lineup, and the small to medium size companies are quickly joining the fray. In Yeti's case, they decided to create a bike designed for e-bike racing, and to create a new suspension layout to go with it.
The result is the 160E, which recently had its debut between the tape at the EWS-E race in Switzerland, albeit with results that probably weren't exactly what Yeti was hoping for. As the name implies, it has 160mm of rear travel that's paired with a 170mm fork. 29” wheels front and rear were the obvious choice in the search for speed, and there's a Shimano EP8 motor to provide the electric boost.
There are two models of the 160E available, the $12,700 T1 and the $10,000 C1. Both models use the same carbon frame and Shimano motor with 630Wh battery; it's the other components that create the price difference. If those prices seem too low, they can be increased by $900 via the addition of carbon wheels.
Sixfinity SuspensionIt's the new suspension design, dubbed Sixfinity, that's the highlight of the 160E. The first prototypes emerged all the way back in 2016, and Yeti's in-house engineers have been tinkering with it ever since.
Sixfinity uses a six bar linkage, with two short links connecting the front triangle to the swing arm, and a link on each side that connects the upper and lower links.
That lower link switches directions part way through the travel, similar to what Yeti's Switch Infinity system does. The design makes it possible to have anti-squat values around 100% in the pedaling zone, and lower anti-squat numbers deeper in the bike's travel in order to improve the suspension performance.
In addition, the anti-squat in the pedaling zone only has a 9% change across the cassette, a trait that's especially well suited to an e-bike where riders will be using more of the cassette's range than they would without a motor.
The 160E has a flip chip at the lower shock mount, but it's not for adjusting the geometry. Instead, it's used to alter leverage rate progression in 5% increments from 25% up to 35%. The 25% progression give the bike the most supportive feel, the 35% setting gives it a plusher beginning stroke and more ramp up later on in the travel, and the middle, 30% setting is designed to be the most balanced option. I was able to experiment with all three settings and can confirm that there is a noticeable difference between the different positions.
Along with the ability to adjust the progression without affecting the geometry, anti-squat, or anti-rise, the Sixfinity design provided the room Yeti's designers needed to fit a motor without resorting to extra-long chaintays, even with a 29” rear wheel and 160mm of travel.
Will Sixfinity ever show up on a non-motorized bike? At the moment, the official answer from Yeti is “No,” but I'm curious to see if that'll still be the case a few years from now.
Frame DetailsStarting up at the front end, Yeti are debuting a new thermoplastic, US-made handlebar that tucks the wiring for the display and mode controller out of the way. As is typical with Shimano's EP8 system, the display is mounted to the handlebar, and the on/off switch is located on the top of the top tube. The wires run through the downtube, which makes them easy to access once the battery is removed. On the topic of batteries, the 160E uses a standard 630 Wh battery in order to improve the chances that a shop will have a spare or replacement if necessary.
There's room for a full size water bottle on medium through XL sizes, and a stubby 'hot lap' bottle that Yeti makes for the size small. Other details include SRAM's Universal Derailleur Hanger, cable ports that are compatible with regular and moto brake set ups, and an uninterrupted seat tube to provide room for longer travel dropper posts.
GeometryWhen Yeti rolled out the geometry for the SB150 back in 2018 it raised a lot of eyebrows. The reach seemed long, the head angle seemed slack, and the seat angle seemed steep. As it turns out, they were pretty much right on the money, and the numbers from the bikes Yeti released that year have held up impressively well.
I mentioned the SB160's moderate rather than monsterous chainstay length earlier, and that measurement is 446mm on all sizes. We're starting to see more size-specific chainstay lenghts in the non-motorized realm, but it hasn't really caught on as much in the e-bike world. Part of that can probably be chalked up to the extra weight and the fact that there's a motor – those two elements change the bike's handling enough that a few millimeters of chainstay length difference wouldn't be nearly as noticeable as they would on a 'regular' bike.
With the 160E, Yeti didn't push things much further – in fact, the 480mm reach on a size large and 64.5-degree head angle are the same as the SB150. Could they have gone slacker? I think so, although that might have reduced some of the bike's all-round capabilities. For more insight, be sure to check out the full
Field Test review of this bike here.
Builds 160E T1 / $12,700 USD ($13,600 w/ carbon wheels)
160E C1 / $10,100 USD ($11,000 w/ carbon wheels)
That pricing will be seriously high was out of the question - SLX on a 10K bike tho… GTFO!
Sworks Epic(nodropper) NZD$20.5K
Sworks Epic Evo NZD$22k
Wait till they put AXS or XTR (or XTR Di2), Fancier Carbon Wheels and a larger battery, inflation and more profit...I bet there will be a $20k version within 2 years. For goodness sakes..$13,700k gets you XT! And that XT Groupset can be purchased retail for around $500 (when it was available).
It's an easy 20min climb on a mountain bike.
I'm sure someone has already thought of that, but I haven't seen it done yet...
I hope there will be a solution as in 3-5 years time there are going to be alot of very sickly Ebike's with parts out of warranty. For example my friends focus(shimano e8000) needed everything with the exception of the battery and display replace in just over a 1000miles/2 years use.....
A mounting adaptator (motor to gearbox) is easier to create than having a discussion with the big guys.
@mikelevy @brianpark Have you guys ever discussed this amongst yourself or with a manufacturer?
You read that correctly: you can buy a top-of-the-line EMTB and enduro MTB from terrific bike brands, for the cost of this bike in similar spec. Wild.
Really? Where you get your info?
While I completely understand why bike brands want to do this (huge increase in demand) - I think it also goes against some of the ethos of the outdoor industry. We're really perpetuating more and more consumption (and increasing manufacturing in less environmentally and labor-rights focused economies) while also increasing the cost of entry by abandoning any semblance of "last bike you'll ever buy".
If there is any benefit to more e-bikes, it's hopefully that more get out and appreciate our public spaces and want to keep them open to various forms of recreation, and that they might make commuting to work/groceries/pub more inviting to more people as to keep our roads from being so damn congested. I fear however, that they are just toys to the overconsuming wealthy.
www.emtbforums.com/community/threads/evil-bikes.23412
Agree with you.
But then why don’t car manufs just make a standard 1L car which gets your from a-b?
Why do porsche exist?
I can see people who are lining in the big mountains - perfect target audience for such bike, looks good, reasonable weight and geometry;
10 k bike over couse of 3 years: 3300 per year; Assuming that you can buy regular bike for 5 k will result in ~ 1600 $ difference per year which actually a ONE week bike park trip or less;
Technically in case you wanna substitute shuttle assisted riding within e-bike - It will be cheaper and gave you more freedom even within 10 k e-bike
As an investment, you are correct. Because that Moto will hold most of its value beyond year 1
This particular e-bike is totally overpriced, but I ride regular MTB, E-MTB and Moto's and they are all hella fun in their own way. If you can afford only 2, I'd go the regular MTB + Moto though (so I agree with you there). That gives you the most options on trails. But if you can afford all 3 (and you probably can if you'd buy at $10k e-bike), why the hell not?
More expensive then the two Yugos I owned at least...
Also:
“e-bike where riders will be using more of the cassette's range than they would without a motor.”
Cause none of us luddites ever use our lowest gears, right?
Why would you buy regular yeti right now with a soon to be obsoleted suspension design? Talk about throwing money away.
Henry Quinney will be happy about that.
The scope, while focused on ebikes, provides other opportunities and options which could mean less design changes for manufacturing and a more versatile design platform. Battery housing becomes storage, gearbox instead of motor etc.
E bikes, while awesome, are becoming financially unaffordable for the majority of people and its the choice of a new car vs a bike.
Yeti was always poor value for built bikes, even working in a UK Bike shop that dealt with a Yeti UK Distributor the staff pricing was awful
I would love to have one - I guess I'd be the stereotypical Yeti owner, scared to take it on more than red routes incase of warranty decline, plus only ride it on my local routes because I can't afford the travel cost to anywhere else ....
"Talk YETI to me"
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Sightly disappointed, but makes it easier to choose another brand
or;
Penny farthing.com and
Luddite.com