First Look: Ibis Oso - Not Just an Electric Ripmo

Oct 4, 2022
by Mike Kazimer  

The list of bike companies who don't have an eMTB in their lineup continues to shrink, and it's even shorter now that Ibis has joined the electric party with the Oso. The Oso has 155mm of rear travel, a 170mm fork, and Bosch's Performance Line CX motor. A 750 Wh battery ensures there's plenty of juice for longer missions.

The look of the bike is certainly a departure from Ibis' non-motorized offerings – there really isn't anything quite like it currently on the market. The large carbon swingarm and the shock position underneath the seatube and exposed to the world on the driveside are the two most immediately noticeable frame features. To me, it looks like the love child of the previous generation Specialized Demo and a Polygon Square One. Don't take that the wrong way, though; I actually like the look of the Oso, and it sure stands out in the sea of electric look-alikes.
Ibis Oso Details

• Wheel size: 27.5"/29" in sizes S and M, dual 29" in sizes L and XL
• Travel: 155 mm, 170 mm fork
• Carbon frame
• Bosch Performance Line CX motor / 750 Wh battery
• 64º head angle
• Size-specific STA - 78º size L
• Size-specific chainstays - 444 mm size L
• Sizes: S, M, L, XL
• Weight: 53 lb / 24 kg (size L)
• Price: $10,999 USD
ibiscycles.com

There are two color options, Forest Service Green and Blue Storm, but there's just one build kit, which puts the price at $10,999 USD. Highlights of the kit include a Fox 38 Performance fork, Performance Elite Float X2 shock, SRAM GX Eagle drivetrain, Shimano XT brakes, and a BikeYoke Revive dropper post. Ibis' own Blackbird Send alloy wheels round out the parts package.


Forest Service Green
Blue Storm

Frame Details

The Oso's frame has all sorts of clever little features, including a fender to protect the linkage and shock, chainslap protection on the underside of the downtube, and even an integrated tail light and a 900 lumen headlight from Lupine. I suppose if you've got that big battery it doesn't hurt to tie some accessories into it.

The Oso's carbon frame is covered by a seven year warranty, and if any of the bushings happen to wear out Ibis will replace them for free for the life of the frame.

Other notable details include clearance for a 2.5” wide rear tire, guided internal cable routing (thankfully none of them run through the headset), and room for a 26 oz water bottle when a side loading cage is used on the M thru XL sizes, or a 22 oz bottle on the size small. The frame is approved for use with up to a 190mm fork.


The Oso comes pre-equipped for night rides.
Plenty of chainslap protection underneath the swingarm.


Ibis designed their own charging port, and it seems to be more robust and well thought out than some of the other styles on the market.
Bear vs. bird.


Geometry & Suspension Layout

The Oso is available in four sizes, with the small and medium frames rolling on a mixed-wheel setup, and the large and extra-large sizes on dual 29” wheels. The smaller two sizes have 439mm chainstays, and that number increases to 444 for the larger sizes.

There's a wide spread of reach numbers, ranging from 430mm on the small all the way up to 530mm on the XL. The jumps in between sizes are fairly substantial – there's a 40mm difference between the 460mm reach of the medium and the 500mm reach of the large. To help tame that long front center on the climbs, the Oso has a steep seat angle that ranges from 77 to 79-degrees depending on the frame size, along with a generous stack height.

As for the head angle, that checks in at 64-degrees with a 170mm fork.

Not surprisingly, the Oso uses a dw-link suspension layout, with two short links connecting the swingarm to the front triangle. It its stock configuration the bike uses a 205 x 60mm shock to deliver 155mm of travel, but riders looking for even more squish can run a 65mm stroke shock to bump that number up to 170mm.




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525 Comments

  • 700 8
 Alicia was supposed to write this article, we rode these bikes in Tahoe a few weeks ago. Sadly she is not doing great right now and could use your support:

www.gofundme.com/f/alicia-and-her-family-with-medical-costs

Get well soon Alicia!
  • 85 1
 So bummed to see this. Alicia is awesome
  • 282 5
 there should really be a link to the go fund me on the main page not just here in the comments.
  • 58 106
flag salespunk (Oct 4, 2022 at 9:18) (Below Threshold)
 @McMeta666: PB will not acknowledge the accident likely for liability and HIPPA reasons
  • 157 4
 Put this on the main page! Come on Pinkbike
  • 86 6
 @salespunk: That's not how HIPPA works dude.
  • 16 0
 Heal up soon! So bummed to hear the news, stay strong!
  • 65 59
 Yes on Alicia. Nope on mopeds.
  • 30 1
 @salespunk: I'm sure there's some legalese that's preventing them from publishing the GoFundMe on the main page, because it's not like they don't post gofundme's for other athletes all the time.

Pulling for her... It's nice to see good news on the updates. She's a fantastic person and well-loved in the community.
  • 22 7
 Prayers for Alicia!
  • 65 3
 Holy crap, I saw on Vitals Instagram that she got hurt, but I didn't realize that she has "traumatic brain injury. She has not yet regained consciousness". Why not even a mention about this from pinkbike (officially)?
  • 68 0
 @hamncheez: Update on the Gofundme page from yesterday says that she is recognizing people and able to feed herself so that is very good to hear. Still could have a long road though.
  • 78 3
 How is a pinkbike contributor being this hurt not front-page news?! Donations incoming, and link shared.
  • 46 4
 @borisimobike: I’m also wondering this. Seems in poor taste to have a “MUST WATCH” article posted today but not one about one of your customer-facing employees being hospitalized while riding.
  • 17 0
 I have been following the updates on her GoFundMe and it seems she is awake and recognizes her dad. I hope she is back to 100% ASAP.
  • 17 5
 A year ago I was hit by a car while road biking and had "traumatic brain injury" too. When I regained consciousness I had no issue recognizing my wife and mom in the hospital. Mine was pretty bad, but Alicias must be much worse if its a milestone that the recognizes her dad.
  • 48 4
 Glad to hear Alicia is making progress!!!

Dang that Jill Kintner is a class act:
_____________________________________________
JILL Kintner
$200•1 hr
There are more stories to tell, and trails to ride my friend!! Pulling for you so we can get back to it!!! ❤️
_____________________________________________
  • 36 0
 I'm sure they would put it on the homepage if they could. I expect there are legal reasons around privacy as to why they cannot do this.
  • 61 72
flag snarlymarley (Oct 4, 2022 at 10:19) (Below Threshold)
 Shouldn't Outside be paying for this?

Sad about the crash and having no employer support even more
  • 2 0
 Oh no! Hope she recovers 100%!!
  • 45 1
 @borisimobike: Perhaps she and/or her family don't want it on the home page. Also, that story is Alicia's to write if/when she chooses to.
  • 2 0
 Chipped in, get well Alicia.
  • 54 0
 @snarlymarley: Read the GoFundMe... a snippet for you - "...Alicia does have health insurance and good support from her work..."
  • 20 0
 @snarlymarley: Did you take the time to read the GoFundMe? "Alicia does have health insurance and good support from her work. We just want to make Alicia’s road to recovery as easy as possible."
  • 31 16
 @snarlymarley: You don't know that Outside isn't helping. I have to imagine that Outside and Pinkbike carries some worker's compensation insurance that will help pay for missed time and medical bills. But that also only applies for injuries sustained while doing work. If she was riding her bike on her own, then it wouldn't cover. Not to mention, like any insurance, WC will only cover certain things and paperwork is a pain in the ass. It's not as nimble or fast as hard cash when emergencies happen. Plus, and I'm speculating here, a TBI recovery will a long process that will incur lots of expenses outside boiler plate medical care.
  • 33 1
 Terrible to hear that -- hope you get well soon Alicia. And crazy to see, that donations are needed to cover the cost for that. In a rich country, that should really be covered by public insurance.
  • 8 6
 Really strange that there's been no mention of her incident on PB, not even by mods in the comments? Fair enough if they're just respecting her privacy, but getting more support for the GFM can only be a good thing I think
  • 2 41
flag freeridejerk888 (Oct 4, 2022 at 10:39) (Below Threshold)
 Why are you spreading false info like a jackass @FMHUM:
  • 87 0
 @borisimobike: On the surface it seems obvious for Pinkbike to post the Gofundme link on the main page but I really really suggest people not jump on them (not saying you are just speaking more broadly). We have no idea what the details are and need to just assume there are good reasons why it isnt posted. Remember, they are not just coworkers but seem like genuine friends so piling on them for likely no good reason is not the play at this time. Lets focus our energy on sending our healing vibes and resources as possible to Alicia, her family, and friends. I can't imagine she and everyone in her circle are going through right now.
  • 19 0
 @freeridejerk888: what false info? I know nothing, and no one else here does either. I just gave my opinion based on my experience working in construction and it's workers' comp insurance people dealt with. I'm confused by our comment, but whatever I guess.
  • 6 0
 I'm so sorry Alicia, I'm pulling for you big time.
  • 5 0
 Hope she has a safe and speedy recovery, get well Alicia
  • 69 12
 @snarlymarley: shouldn't proper health care system take care of this ? These types of pages don't exist over here (aside from the odd ultra rare condition needing a foreign experimental treatment) simply because our social system has our backs, every time I see this type of pages I feel bad for the people needing it and the whole country tbf. Get a health system if there is one topic that should be outside of the race for profit this is it.
  • 6 1
 Wow, getting well soon Alicia. I just listened to the most recent PB podcast yesterday and Alicia was talking about not riding on her A-game and regressing after spending a bunch of time paragliding. It feels eerie and prophetic.
  • 7 17
flag twonsarelli (Oct 4, 2022 at 11:21) (Below Threshold)
 @Balgaroth: yes, health insurance covers accidents. also, as others have stated, if it was a work-related accident, there is additional insurance from the employer that also provides coverage. the out-of-pocket maximum for most health plans is somewhere around $10k or less, so the actual cost to her should be no more than whatever that amount is for her specific plan. the gofundme goal was for $5k (made by a friend who probably doesn't have the details about her true expected health costs). i am not sure what gofundme does when the raised funds far exceed the amount that's actually needed. rest assured, she'll receive all of the treatment she needs
  • 12 2
 @freeridejerk888: username checks out
  • 7 2
 @twonsarelli: For the sake of clarity, Gofundme doesn't decide what to do with the money, LOL. They provide the platform for donations. Donations can be used for any reason and it is up to the discretion of the recipient how they are spent. Extra money helps because there are all kinds of unforeseen and unpaid bills when you are recovering from a serious trauma like this no matter how good the medical insurance is.
  • 3 6
 @suspended-flesh: i didn't mean to imply that gofundme is doling out the cash as needed to cover specific bills or anything like that. some gofundmes raise way way way more than the recipient could use. i just don't know if there is some mechanism for returning unused funds through the fundraising platform (seems complicated). if i had to guess, i suspect that whenever there are leftovers from these campaigns, the recipient donates the money or something.
  • 11 11
 @Balgaroth: Keep in mind that the USA has all kinds of private anf Gov coverage plans and we are not an homogenized state-run system. Some of us are lucky enough to have incredible healthcare and others are not so fortunate. It all depends on the employment path you chose unless you are wealthy enough to pay out of pocket. Employers pay for much of it but employees are being expected to cover more and more which does suck. The whole concept of heathcare-for-profit rubs me the wrong way, but if you are lucky like I was, the care is excellent. The upside to this wild west chaos is that we are not locked into whatever a nationwide government health system decides is correct care for us. It's nice that it's free in many countries, but here we can choose/upgrade/downgrade/suffer, etc., by or own choice. I have friends in Canada who are not super-pleased with the subsidized system there.
  • 20 51
flag twonsarelli (Oct 4, 2022 at 11:52) (Below Threshold)
 @suspended-flesh: also worth noting that the health costs would be significant lower without so much government interference. for example, my premiums went from ~$100/month pre-ACA to over $500/month after the ACA was passed. they claim costs came down but i've never met anyone with lower premiums now. that is probably a discussion for a different forum, though :-p
  • 3 23
flag chrismac70 (Oct 4, 2022 at 12:02) (Below Threshold)
 Don’t outside provide medical insurance for its staff? Poor show from them
  • 10 1
 @HB208: I think this is a common misconception. Hippa is unauthorized sharing of medical information from a patient's health record. It may be a curtesy for her family to keep it off Pinkbike but it is not a violation of HIPPA to share that she was injured.

That said, I really hope Alicia fully recovers. TBI is no joke.
  • 1 0
 @twonsarelli: No. All the money goes to the recipient to spend as they see fit. Gofundme gets a small, flat transaction fee for every donation made as well as a percentage (3%?) of the total amount. The more you get the more they make.
  • 2 5
 @suspended-flesh: totally. again, i wasn't implying that gofundme acts as some sort of escrow account that chooses when/where the money goes. just trying to avoid writing entire paragraphs speculating about every aspect of someone getting financial help with their service. i shouldn't have even mentioned their involvement. we could have saved ourselves this pointless tangent haha
  • 11 0
 @chrismac70: she has insurance, she is getting support from family, friends AND work (read the go fund me page). Even with insurance there are all sorts of out of pocket expenses that go with rehabilitation.
  • 26 3
 @twonsarelli: the total sum she should have to pay IMO is 0$, for the current care or (god forbids) if she was to need care for life due to lasting problems. Same goes if she couldn't work anymore for whatever reasons. Your society, same as mine, make way enough wealth yearly to take care of its people's health. Not talking dole or whatever lazyness subsidies, just keeping people healthy. No-one should have to choose between fighting cancer or bankruptcy.

@suspended-flesh dunno man, I was in Whistler for a trip and ruptured my spleen, the bills were absolutely shocking for just ambulance, observation, scans and blood work. An Irish friend f*cked his finger when he came to visit us and the French hospital didn't ask him a dime. Also, I lived in Ireland for a while and was shocked by how unheathy people were compared to France, Ireland is probably as liberal as the US, making plenty of money with tech companies, yet letting their people being in a terrible state of health. In France if you don't want to get treated or lesser options you can too but why would you want that ? Health is fickle enough with all the best options.
  • 9 3
 Best wishes to her.

I know that you can suffer a pretty catastrophic head injury on the simplest of rides, but I’ve stopped sending big jumps and going full gas. Totally not worth it to me anymore
  • 18 25
flag twonsarelli (Oct 4, 2022 at 12:39) (Below Threshold)
 @Balgaroth: my mom is currently receiving cancer treatment and it is not bankrupting her (and it is not because she is wealthy) - she's even on an experimental drug, which can be notoriously expensive. people 65 or older are eligible for medicare, which is actually pretty good insurance in my experience.

low income people can receive subsidies for their health premiums (someone close to me gets insurance for less than $30/month, for example). additionally, there are lots of programs that can provide assistance to people who, for whatever reason, can't get their medical bills paid. i have seen some hospital bills forgiven in their entirety, which is very generous.

the truth is that someone has to pay the bills. some places, like france apparently, do this at a national level, while others have different ideas of the best way to accomplish this. i would personally rather be responsible for myself because i am young and healthy but my health premiums are relatively high because the current system is trying to subsidize the unhealthy with the healthy. my taxes also pay for educating kids even though i don't have any. is any current system perfectly fair to everyone in every situation? not that i'm aware of
  • 8 2
 @Mntneer: that's a totally reasonable point of view. a few years ago i was really into chasing strava records. at some point the speeds started to get scary (especially when you're breathing through your eyeballs). i quit recording my rides on strava and now just ride at whatever pace feels good.
  • 15 0
 Can I just say that I think it's amazing that in 4 hours they raised more than 5x their goal? what an amazing community to be a part of. Best wishes to Alicia and her family.
  • 3 13
flag chrismac70 (Oct 4, 2022 at 13:10) (Below Threshold)
 @twonsarelli: well said
  • 8 0
 I consider myself lucky and been able to ride with Alicia a few times. She is an incredible, down-to-earth lady who is humble but can lay down some fire when things get steep. I hope you come back to more than 100%.
  • 3 32
flag nickfranko (Oct 4, 2022 at 13:47) (Below Threshold)
 @cgreaseman: Professional athletes need a GFM? Nah, dawg. Not quite as bad as donating to millionaires, but it's pretty damn close.
  • 3 0
 @twonsarelli: HAHA no worries. I hope Alicia gets the best care available and her recovery needs are met by any means necessary! Cheers
  • 2 1
 @suspended-flesh: yes, exactly. All the best thoughts for her successful recovery for sure! I have no doubt she’ll make a great comeback. Easy to get sidetracked with larger philosophical discussions on here haha.
  • 2 0
 Shocked and saddened to see this, get well soon Alicia
  • 4 0
 @twonsarelli: we or the employer/spouse's employer pay for supplementary health insurance, but it's relatively cheap. Not an absolute necessity, but good to have for teeth, eyes, ears, hospital extras, etc.
  • 4 5
 Saw this on another mtb news sources' insta stories a few days ago. I don't get how PB hasn't said anything...that I've seen.
  • 9 3
 @twonsarelli: I've quit chasing Strava times as well and it's made riding so much more enjoyable overall and certainly safer. I'm of the opinion that Strava has very much been bad for the sport. People don't want to take the time for proper yielding, horrible trail braiding, etc.

At 46 I've also shifted to taking less risks as well but without knowing the details of AL's accident we can all imagine scenarios and that underlines that are sport has risk. Even if taking it easy and maybe most then. I do know that it brings vibrancy to life so riding will always be worth it. I hope Alicia recovers fully!
  • 1 1
 @hamncheez: cause too filled with pros leaving changing brands?
  • 3 0
 So bummed to see this. I hope she fully recovers. Sending all the positive vibes her way.
  • 2 1
 @heatproofgenie: totally. I am sure that half of my (infrequent) crashes occurred because I was either going for a time or because I was riding on a day I didn’t really want to but I felt compelled to add to my weekly mileage or whatever. Just bad incentives resulting in bad outcomes!
  • 7 0
 by Chelsea Kimball, Organizer:
10/3/22
"We are pretty excited Alicia has been able to answer some simple questions and even recognized her Dad today. She is still sleeping most of the time but the nurses have been able to wake her enough to feed herself which is a big step. Every small improvement adds up and we have high hopes for Alicia!"
  • 2 0
 How awful, so sorry for her friends and family
  • 12 0
 @kcy4130: I suspect this is the case. If you've ever been unfortunate enough to experience a serious injury or brain trauma (or both, yay.../s), an onslaught of support can be overwhelming and distracting for the injured and for their family. Just chill, wish her best in these comments, and send some money her way if you're able to. Get well soon, Alicia.
  • 4 8
flag Baller7756 (Oct 4, 2022 at 18:21) (Below Threshold)
 @twonsarelli: Not sure why this was downvoted. Yes, people in America are required to have health insurance, and those plans have maximum out of pocket expenses for covered individuals.
  • 20 15
 @learmiller: she needs medical science and practical assistance, not useless praying
  • 5 6
 @Baller7756: beats me! But also, don’t you know that if you dislike a fact, it magically becomes untrue?
  • 9 2
 @roguecheddar: Having been a medical practitioner I can say with 100% certainty; take all help given.
  • 3 4
 who is the a*shole who down-voted????
  • 6 0
 @salespunk: It's HIPAA, not HIPPA....
  • 5 0
 That latest update on her is sooooooooo good to hear. All the best to Alicia and a full recovery.
  • 3 0
 This sucks! I really hope she recovers fully.
  • 9 2
 @twonsarelli: you really don’t think the for-profit companies is the problem, not the government?
  • 8 1
 @twonsarelli: $10k deductible, jesus. The cost here would be between $10-20, as for all medical visits.
  • 6 3
 @Balgaroth: I‘ve been hit with around $20k of bills from the French healthcare system over the last 18 months - it isn’t free if you’re not French
  • 8 10
 @Utter: the government restricts the percentage of profit the insurance companies can make to 15%. The only way they can make more money is to charge higher premiums and pay higher cost bills to the providers. This benefits both the insurance companies and the health providers, who are happy to oblige by charging higher prices for their services. That’s why a bag of saline now costs almost $1,000. Also, I said out of pocket maximum of $10k, not deductible of $10k. There is a big difference. Specifically, after the government passed the ‘affordable care act’ my premiums went from $95/month to almost $600/month. The government intervention in the free market was entirely responsible for this change. Hopefully some others are seeing lower costs for their premiums but anecdotally, I haven’t met a single person who claims this is the case.
  • 4 2
 @sargey2003: clearly your experience with our system isn't a quick stop at the ER. How much would you have been charged for the same in the US ? If my memory serves well, for less that 72h in the Canadian system we got charged between 20/30k$. I saw a doctor twice for a total of 10min maybe, few blood works, 1 ambulance trip from Whistler to Vancouver, 1 scan, 2 nights at the hospital for observation. I might be wrong but I doubt my country would charge anyone near the same amount for so little.
  • 4 2
 @Balgaroth: it included multiple x-rays, 2 operations and 9 days in hospital. I have no idea what it would have cost in the USA, but I do know it would have been free in the UK.
  • 5 1
 @drakefan705: take it easy sport, is "FIRST LOOK" not must watch, stop spreading misinformation. And in these cases it is Alicia's choice if she wants to be on the top page, and she is not in conditions to make that sort of decision right now.
  • 9 2
 @twonsarelli: 15% insurance company and then for profit hospitals… the US system is f*cked up tbh.
  • 4 2
 @sargey2003: *if you're not an EU citizen. Have you got a resident permit or are you an illegal?
  • 9 1
 @BenPea: I'm a British citizen, not EU any more (not my choice).

Interesting to see that people are downvoting my posts about costs - those are facts, not opinions. If you don't like facts because they conflict with your opinion you need to change the opinion, not the facts.
  • 4 3
 @Utter: i agree it is not perfect but i'm saying the reason it isn't as good as it was a few years ago is on account of the government intervention which has skewed the incentives (not to mention created an enormous, wasteful and time/money-consuming bureaucracy to administer the whole thing). the for-profit insurance company only needed to charge me $95/month to make money in the free market, now they are incentivized to charge 5-6x more for what amounts to the same level of care for me. presumably, a lot of that $ is wasted in the nonsense of compliance with the government edicts. either way, i am sure that alicia is getting all of the necessary care that she needs and i'm hopeful and optimistic that she'll make a superb recovery. i wish for all of my riding brethren and sistren to be safe out there!
  • 2 0
 @sargey2003: If you're working there and have a resident permit, why are you paying so much? Even without a mutuelle, these are crazy prices. I know Brits in France who aren't charged like you have been. Do you have a EHIC/GHIC card? www.nhs.uk/using-the-nhs/healthcare-abroad/apply-for-a-free-uk-global-health-insurance-card-ghic
  • 10 6
 @twonsarelli: The rate of annual insurance increases in the USA dropped significantly since Obamacare. The VA operates with dramatically less waste and overhead costs than all private health insurance companies. Statistically you'd be paying much more right now if health insurance was allowed to operate with no government interference.
The problem with US healthcare is the fact that it's been left up to Capitalism, to make money off of people getting sick. I'm a Capitalist through and through and multi-time business owner, but some things like healthcare, National defense, the Federal highway system, election laws, etc are better left to the Federal government as scale and lack of profit gives a better outcome for the most amount of people.

Anyways, the new Ibis looks great, and I love the swingarm. However, they missed the boat. 55# e-bikes that have the torque & initial acceleration (because of their light weight and low RR) as a 10 hp dirt bike are not appropriate for most multi-use trails, and take too much of the 'bike' riding experience away for healthy individuals.

Full power e-bikes are just a weird in-between product before mid power bikes take over the market place. Look how few comments there are about this actual bike in this thread, no one much cares.

Ibis should source the TQ HPR motor and build a weight weenie version of this chassis using that motor, right away.
  • 4 0
 @Baller7756: I know people without any insurance (including a business owner) and have no issues filing their taxes, etc. The Health Police are not at their doors.
  • 1 1
 @sargey2003: Again, it depends entirely on your insurance. There isn't a 'USA Price'. I broke my arm at a bike park and went to the ER at a random local hospital and the whole ordeal cost me $20 and that was for the Oxys.
A few days later, in my home city I got a plate and 6 screws and there was no out-of-pocket charge at all. YMMV but there are many shades to US healthcare.
  • 4 1
 @SunsPSD: i don't know anything about the VA but i am glad to hear it is working well. what i mentioned was an anecdote about how i am paying significantly more (5-6x) now than i was pre-ACA. i haven't met anyone who was purchasing an individual plan from the insurance companies who is paying less now. my clients, who purchase group health plans, are also currently paying double. the point of the act was to subsidize the unhealthy with the healthy. the unintended consequence was the super high premiums for someone like me (with relatively low cost to the insurance companies). no doubt someone out there is benefiting! i also don't know what percentage of people are getting health insurance through the exchange vs through work, school, etc. my employer pays for my health costs but if my premiums were lower, i'd be able to negotiate to receive that extra $ as wages (rather than covering super high premiums), which i could use to support the bike industry!

i have a lot of friends riding ebikes and none of them are interested in mid-power bikes. every single one of them wants full power and the one guy with a levo SL is trying to sell it to buy the ibis. perhaps that is a function of where we live. i think trek has a 1-year exclusive deal with TQ but after that, i wouldn't be surprised if a lot of new bikes turn to them (assuming no massive recalls or issues between now and then).
  • 1 1
 @BenPea: I'm not resident, I was simply a tourist - and I do have a GHIC card and travel insurance, which saved me from having to personally cover all of that cost.

Perhaps I should have made that clear, but the point was that if you as a tourist (I was replying to a post where a US tourist was not charged) need treatment it can be very expensive.
  • 3 0
 @sargey2003: It's clear as mud, mate. The tourist was Irish btw.
  • 4 2
 @SunsPSD: not to belabor the point too much, but i just don't understand what people are arguing about here. someone says 'health care in the US sucks! it is much better/cheaper in places where the government oversees the system' .. but that's exactly what happens here. there has never been more government intervention in the healthcare system than in the last 10 years. so somehow they're arguing against themselves? i don't know. i was just pointing out that on the cost-side of things, it was actually lower for everyone i know before the massive interventions by the federal government in the past decade and i gave reasons as to why that is the case.
  • 2 0
 @BenPea: Ah, the luck of the Irish. I have to say that regardless of cost if I'm gonna have to bust my ankle again I would be very happy to have same French surgeon screw it back together - wasn't cheap, but it was good.
  • 4 1
 @SunsPSD: the VA cuts costs by providing poor health care, hiring many questionable doctors, and allowing facilities to fall into disrepair

Lol
  • 3 2
 @Mntneer: between the VA and Medicare/Medicaid, the federal government oversees the healthcare of nearly 165,000,000 Americans. If healthcare sucks so bad in this country, as so many have claimed, the culprit seems obvious.
  • 2 1
 All I know of the VA is that any of my family or friends that use it don't have anything good to say about it... As a couple of them have said, "The care isn't bad, as long as you don't die while waiting..."
  • 2 0
 @sargey2003: after centuries of oppression and genocide sure the Irish can have a bit of luck now lol. I know most US people think they are Irish so it probably got you confused but my friend is 100% Irish, Dublin4 even lol, some may argue that isn't Irish same as Paris isn't French but hey lol.
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 @SunsPSD: You have no clue what you are talking about. The VA is a case-study on the failure of the US Federal governments ability to provide healthcare. It is incredibly less efficient than what a normal, average American uses for healthcare.

As others have said, even pre-Obamacare, 55 cents of every dollar spent on healthcare in the USA was government spending- so we STARTED at a 55% government run, socialist healthcare system until Obamacare was enacted. By every measure, metric, and report available, insurance premiums and total healthcare expenditures per person in the USA have risen dramatically directly because of Obamacare.
  • 4 1
 @SunsPSD: if you think government mandates make things better, you haven’t used a gas can lately. Anyway, my health premiums (self-insured) went sharply up after Obamacare was passed. Remember when they spent a half billion dollars on the Affordable Care website that didn’t work? Single payer health care sounds great, in theory, but I have zero faith in the government to manage it with even the barest minimum of competence and efficiency.
  • 3 0
 @lumpy873: Welcome to the UK's future American-run NHS.
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flag Baller7756 (Oct 5, 2022 at 14:55) (Below Threshold)
 @roguecheddar: Not much medical science can do for traumatic brain injury. Just sedation, and allow the body to do its thing. BTW... that thing the body does is Gods creation and will.
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 @twonsarelli: You are also paying that higher premium to subsidize low income and non-working individuals. They get health care for free, you pay 5x more.
  • 3 6
 @Baller7756: indeed! but it is not just low income or non-working people but those whose premiums would be sky-high because of pre-existing conditions or things like smoking/obesity/old age. since the government forces the insurance companies to insure everyone without discernment, those folks have to be subsidized. my girlfriends uncle has cancer and all he does is sit around drinking miller lite and smoking cigs. if the insurance company had the option to tell him to clean up his act or else they wouldn't insure him (or his premiums would reflect the actual carrier risk), the situation would be different. if you're a low-risk individual for the insurance companies, you're always way overpaying for services rendered. i'm not blaming those people for making bad choices that negatively impact their health or their income, just pointing out the realities of the business.
  • 2 2
 @twonsarelli: So this half true. The false part is that the ACA (Obamacare) lowered costs for those with preexisting conditions or highly expensive medical conditions. These cohorts also saw their total healthcare expenditures rise significantly: pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28339427
  • 1 2
 @suspended-flesh: Im just saying the law requires everyone to have health insurance or pay a fine. When you file your taxes, you acknowledge if you have health care or not. Its up to individuals if they want to flirt with fraud .
  • 5 0
 @Baller7756: fairly certain the penalty was dropped a couple years ago during the trump administration
  • 1 1
 @hamncheez: very interesting. I was looking at it from the forced insurance side of things but I think we’re on the same page.
  • 4 3
 @twonsarelli: I would argue (and its very clear from the data) that we are over-insured, and at a point increasing insurance stops decreasing costs and starts increasing costs.

The whole point of insurance is to guard against risk. I can graph my utility maximization demand curve, and risk is expensive. I'm willing to pay an insurance premium to protect my money. On the other side, people are willing to supply insurance only if the potentially insured events are truly unknown and risky. If you insure predictable outcomes it becomes too costly.

Imagine if your health insurance paid for your groceries. You could only go to the store twice a month, but they would pay your bill. You'd never buy sirlion or chicken, you'd load up your cart on ribeyes. Your expenses would get out of control, and then your insurance company would do battle with you on what is approved and what must be paid out of pocket. There would be forms, spreadsheets, and a hundred pages (written in legalease) on what you can and can't buy at the grocery. The Grocer in turn would crank up the prices on everything the insurance "covers", and keep the prices low for what you have to pay out of pocket.

This is exactly what we see in the healthcare industry- things covered by insurance (like insulin, medications, etc) get more and more expensive every year with no increase in quality, while things not covered, like LASIK, get cheaper and better every year.
  • 3 1
 @hamncheez: well said, plus an interesting analogy. it almost sounds like the more intervention in the system there is, the less efficient (therefore expensive) it becomes. there is a reason health care provides offer a discount if you pay in cash instead of through insurance! in fact, i'm looking at a quick procedure in a few weeks that isn't covered by insurance and it is remarkably cheap considering the technology and training involved in developing and administering the treatment.
  • 3 9
flag Baller7756 (Oct 5, 2022 at 16:56) (Below Threshold)
 @twonsarelli: You are right. Good call by Trump.
  • 3 9
flag nooch98 (Oct 6, 2022 at 5:25) (Below Threshold)
 Sad news!
Even more disappointed that Pinkbike isn't doing more. Radek Burkat just sold out (presumably millions$$$), Robin Thurston (CEO of Outside) throws money at everything, and yet when one of their employees has an accident (probably doing her JOB!), there's no help. Weak!

Hundreds of strangers will help another stranger (Gofundme) before some rich pr*ck steps up. People with too much money are a scourge on the planet.
  • 8 0
 As a parent to child that had an anoxic brain injury, I can say that every day is touch and go. You look for ANY signs of improvement for hours, days and weeks. Our daughter had complications during surgery and ended up in a coma and took years to recover and become just another 13 y/o again. We just dropped her off for her freshman year at a great university. Don't give up hope!

Lastly, I can totally understand why pinkbike wouldn't post a link to a GoFundMe page. What I don't understand is why they haven't acknowledged she is hurt. They post an article about riders conditions all the time, from trivial injuries to fatalities.

Their path to walk/ride and each are different

I
  • 9 1
 @nooch98: You have zero idea what PB is or isn't doing, let alone the people you mentioned by name (one of whom has nothing to do with PB any more). Where do you get the information that "there's no help"? Especially that even the GFM page literally says she's getting good help from the workplace. Stop assuming the GFM is a necessity here. It's extra help from a friend for a friend that surely will be put to good use but 100% not the only assistance she's getting. BTW, the top donor for the GFM at the moment is Brian Park.

@ATXZJ You're missing the fact that pretty much all rider injury updates PB posts are actually reposts of what the riders had made public themselves via their own channels. PB does not share anyone's health details without their consent. How about you let Alicia decide for herself whether she wants her injury publicized when when gets better. You already know about it anyway, why do you need an article? Stop demanding that PB turns their colleague's and friend's misfortune into content for your entertainment.
  • 2 1
 @bananowy: Not entertainment. An acknowledgement
  • 2 1
 @bananowy: so why is there a higher standard for her than those athletes who don’t fall into the “pretty much” category? It’s a good story as long as it’s not your employee?
  • 2 1
 @Mntneer: What are you even talking about? I literally just said that they are applying the exact same standard here as with other athlete injuries.
  • 1 1
 @bananowy: no you literally didn’t. You said that pretty much all injury reports were shared by the athletes through social media. Pretty much is not all, so the same standard hasn’t been applied equally. There are examples of athletes who were injured and didn’t share the news themselves and Pinkbike shared the news
  • 5 2
 @Mntneer: You are confusing the overall budget with their efficiency.

Yes, the VA operates on a tighter budget and this effects which services are available.

What is relevant is cost efficiencies and on this scale US ran insurance programs use on average 2% of the budget for admin, compared to about 18% for private insurance. Fact is that Single Payer insurance is much cheaper to operate and more efficient than the patchwork of private healthcare we have currently.

It stands to reason that if the US government had the same budget as private insurance companies, with their lower admin cost, no profit & economies of scale we could either have cheaper insurance, better insurance for more people, or both.

Frankly what we have through private insurance is quite literally the worst in the 1st World, at the highest cost in the 1st world by an astounding margin.
  • 3 0
 @Mntneer: Ah, I get it - you're trying to nitpick. Weird hobby but ok. I used the phrase "pretty much" exactly in case a nerd like you trawls the archives and finds some example from 2009 when they dropped the ball and didn't stick to the standard. Or maybe they never did. I don't know which is why I didn't use an absolute. You actually have an example or just chatting out your arse? The standard is the standard. Any exception to the rule you might find is just that - an exception. Applying the usual rule here is not a "higher" standard. It's the norm.
  • 7 0
 Don't give a sh*t about anyone's: 1) speculation about what PB and Outside is/is-not doing, or 2) hot-take on the economics of health care. I know that a lot of these comments are in the spirit of being supportive, and are just everyone's attempt to cope with a bad situation in their own way. But it's not about you.

Alicia got really hurt. Her family and friends are also hurting right now.

Let's all just chill out the pissing matches, and try to remember that we all just want Alicia and those around her to know that we want her to get better.
  • 2 0
 @geephlow: agreed... Alicia quickly became a favorite of mine on the podcasts.. I'm hoping for a complete recovery for her...
  • 2 3
 @SunsPSD: Sorry, I'm forced to disagree. There is no data that shows single-payer is somehow more efficient or cheaper. IF it was so then people would voluntarily sign up and you wouldn't have to compel them. There is no economic model or data showing that single-payer, IE a monopoly, is more efficient at distributing goods and services. Just search in google news for "VA healthcare" and you'll see story after story of veterans getting screwed over by the system.

If we had a true free market in healthcare (USA is nowhere close) then what is most efficient to be covered by insurance will be, and what is most efficient to pay out of pocket will be that too. Obviously this would cause problems for the very sick or those with preexisting conditions. If you want government to address that ( I don't believe in legislating morality, but if you do) then the only way to help people in these situations without distorting market prices and risk aversion is a direct cash subsidy that the recipient is free to spend however they choose.

This is effectively a UBI for people with qualifying medical conditions, and like any UBI its going to have a host of costs/benefits as well.
  • 1 4
 @Utter: To be fair its only the emergency care that works good here. The follow ups and getting things checked takes to much time, I’m supposed to get my ulnar nerve checked, in case it needs surgery. Surgery should at least to the US guidelines be done within 3 months and I’m 7 months from my accident now. All my friends got the same experience as well.

Private healthcare for me going forward
  • 3 3
 @hilldescentcontrol: and you have the option of going private, not forced to.
  • 2 0
 @Baller7756: because what you are saying isn’t true. We aren’t “required” to have healthcare, there are a lot of us here in these comments who don’t.
  • 2 1
 @thatguyzack: We already covered the fact that the penalty for not having insurance was removed during the Trump administration. I forgot about that...

Its good that you have the discretion to make your own health care/risk assessment choices again.
  • 5 2
 @Balgaroth: But you must have heard that a universal health care system is socialism, right?
That B.S. is being spouted by the GOP and their wealthy donors for decades now an funnily regurgitated by lots of poor saps who would actually profit from it the most.
The US of A is a strange country indeed…
  • 3 3
 @Heidesandnorth: How is a government funded, managed, provided, healthcare system not socialism? What is your definition of socialism?
  • 3 0
 Socialism is, broadly speaking, a political and economic system in which property and the means of production are owned in common, typically controlled by the state or government. Socialism is based on the idea that common or public ownership of resources and means of production leads to a more equal society.
  • 4 3
 @suspended-flesh: Um, that is Socialism at the extreme (i.e. communism). Owned in common - communism. Socialism manifests in modern society in many other ways that do not amount to seizing the means of production from private parties. Socialism could also be a situation where those that make or generate more wealth are required to contribute a greater portion compared to those who make little, so that benefits of the economy can be more equitably distributed. That does not require seizing the factories. It is a ploy of the extreme right, and those that are rich or only seek to be richer, to treat socialism as an extreme and ignore the myriad of ways that socially beneficial outcomes are achieved by backing away from pure uninhibited dog-eat-dog individualist capitalist libertarianism.
  • 4 2
 Can y'all fuck off on the socialism shit. Every healthcare system has shortcomings, and by many metrics the US has more than most. ANYHOW, I'm stoked to read the updates on Alicia's status and that she's recovering well. Stay strong Alicia. We're anxiously waiting for your return.
  • 3 1
 @cerealkilla: Breh - I copy-n-pasted my comment - not all that interested in typing much about politics. But remember that politics aren't linear but circular. Extreme far-right Nationalists and extreme far-left Socialists meet at the bottom of the circle as National Socialists and we've seen how that goes.
  • 160 8
 Roxy and I spent 5 years making this bike (and unsuccessfully hiding it from Kaz out on the trails in Bham). It's WILD that it's out in public now. Hope you like it!
  • 33 11
 It looks fantastic! So cool to see a good looking design that stands out from the norm.
  • 14 4
 Looks great!
  • 83 50
 Thanks, I hate it
  • 77 2
 How is this not named the Ripmore!
  • 42 3
 I don't understand how the swingarm looks so good on this compared to the Marin Wolf Ridge, which somehow looks out of place. Kudos to whoever worked that magic.
  • 16 2
 @HankHank: Fully fits the awkward bird aesthetic that Ibis is committed to. I can't really figure out why I like the lines on this bike either.
  • 8 1
 @HankHank: totally agree. I always think swing arms like that looks so bad but this actually looks really good. I think it’s the black chain slap protector that takes some of the bulky look out of it.
  • 21 0
 @HankHank: The bulk of the downtube compliments the bulk of the swingarm. This is what looks awkward on the Marin. Also most ebikes look like poo because there is so much bulk in the down tube, but the ends of the bike look spindly (stays & fork). This is balanced.
  • 19 1
 I would like to eventually see some non-motorized creations using that suspension/linkage design.
  • 4 0
 Dual-crown compatible? Aluminum frame version?
  • 29 2
 @wburnes: This frame is hella strong and approved for dual-crown use. You can also long-stroke the shock to 205x65 and get ~170mm of rear travel. Also coil compatible for the rear. I've ridden this with a 190mm 40 and 170mm of rear travel and it is bomber!
  • 19 0
 @j0302: @j0302: This cracked me up and now I'm confused about upvoting or downvoting you.
I'm a silent enemy of ebikes and I try to keep it to myself unless A) I discover an ally, or B) I get an opportunity to publicly announce it in the PB comments section. Just like vegans.
(But secretly I actually think this Oso looks sick asf! Good work @AJMIAC !!!)
  • 15 0
 How is this not named Ibis ripmo EF?
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flag Muscovir (Oct 4, 2022 at 11:46) (Below Threshold)
 Come again when you've got an actual mountainbike, y'know, a non-motorized version of this.
  • 65 2
 @Muscovir: I've also made plenty of pedal mountain bikes... HD3, HD4, HD5, Mojo 3, Mojo 4. I even, gasp, ride my MTB just about every day. If I had to choose only one bike, it would be a pedal bike. But that doesn't take away from the fact that eMTBs are really fun and I had a good time developing, testing, and riding this bike. I'll say again, ebikes are fun.
  • 3 0
 @chubby5000: Thanks!
  • 2 0
 Or the Ripmo ST
  • 3 0
 It looks mint...........get it.........
  • 9 7
 Best looking Ibis since the Mojo... shame it only comes with a motor... Smile
  • 8 2
 Seriously, it's the first ebike i find attractive. Beauty!
  • 2 0
 @bweller81: Isn't Ripmo already short for "Rip more" as a word play on Ripley? Or maybe it was Ripley+Mojo? Hope the working name was Ripmoto. But I'm sort of hoping for a 170/170 Ripmax Enduro bike.
  • 6 0
 Unless I missed it, the article and comments aren’t discussing the engineering challenge of squeezing in the DW links in an ebike with the motor down low. That challenge is what dictated the aesthetics everyone is talking about.
  • 20 1
 @Hakkapelitta: Ripmo = Ripley + Mojo. FYI, our development name for this bike was the Emoji, which was pretty close to E+Mojo
  • 13 0
 @frorider2: The packaging was THE major hurdle with this bike. Fitting everything in place, usually with 2mm to spare, took an immense amount of iterative design changes. Fitting the shock at that angle so that it gave enough room for the battery, but also enough room for the seatpost... etc etc etc.
  • 4 0
 @Muscovir: Marin and Polygon gave you that a few years ago, and look how you guys treated them. The poor thing didn’t stand a chance lol
  • 2 0
 @Hakkapelitta: A review on another site stated that it is designed for a long shock to increase travel to 170, and it can take a 190 fork, and is dual crown compatible.
  • 1 0
 @Hakkapelitta: looks like you were dead right with the Ripley + Mojo.
  • 6 0
 @bweller81: how about RipCord?
  • 2 1
 This is a super fun bike! Can vouch for it as a super capable ripper.
  • 2 0
 @zmums: Yeah Zach! We will have to get out for a not-so-secret rip now that we can
  • 1 1
 @AJMIAC: very impressive and to do so and give the bike its own unique look is quite a feat. Still hoping you will develop a mid power eeb one day which is more aligned with the Ibis brand (ie: Fazua/TQ etc )
  • 2 1
 @bweller81: RipEmo
  • 2 0
 @AJMIAC: RIP-all-of-us. Looks hella fun. Comfort Kills. I’m sure I’ll have one of these or similar soon. The end is near.
  • 1 0
 @AJMIAC: I wish I still had my original brass Ibis Hand Job bottle opener. The Hand Job cable stay made Ibis legendary and has the benefit of my doubt. I'm not E-curious yet, however. Good Job on this design though.
  • 4 2
 Definitely one of the cleaner e-bike designs out there and the compact dw-link is interesting. I have no interest in an e-bike currently, so I am hoping there was an analog version in development concurrently. Finally bringing a long-travel bike to the lineup but making it e-only would just be cruel!
  • 1 0
 The line of the down tube running into the swingarm/chainstay reminds me of the line in the old Ibis Head badge logo. Props to you both!
  • 1 0
 @AJMIAC: Is there no market for this as a factory build spec? I would be interested in dual crown front, 170mm coil rear but would be loathed to chuck out the fork/shock that came with the bike and purchase new ones at full retail
  • 3 1
 does it come with a cd player
  • 2 2
 @AJMIAC: I like this bike and I'm in the market for a new ebike to replace my two year old Bullit. However, the seatpost length is deal killer I ride 210 on my spire and ripmo and 180 on my bullit. It appears I'd need to go 160 or less for this. Too bad all that space finding didn't work out for folks like me.
  • 2 0
 @bikedrd: check the insertion charts on the Ibis website. This looks super close to the same seat post insertion as the Bullit
  • 5 0
 @bikedrd: We looked at a lot of data from our demo rides, and have a pretty good idea of the range of saddle heights needed by each size frame. I designed it for Fox posts, but they couldn't deliver so we have BikeYokes on there. If you ride a Large frame then you can have a 175 Fox post, guaranteed. If you are above average saddle height (765mm BB to saddle top or higher on a Large), you can go to a 200mm Fox post. DM me and I can help you figure out exactly your constraints and options for fitting a long seatpost on an Oso
  • 2 0
 @Aeyogi: Yes I saw that. But with enduro bike I ment a muscle powered ordinary bicycle, not an E-enduro bike. Ripmo is basically more of an aggressive trail bike at 147 mm given what most riders are on in EWS. A 170 mm would surely benefit their riders in EWS in most races I'm sure.
  • 2 2
 @AJMIAC it’s an absolute stunner from an aesthetic standpoint.
  • 1 0
 I like it very much, the more I look at it, the more I like it. Great job really. @AJMIAC .
I have one question regarding BB rock protector ; why interrupting its shape before the exposed radius of the downtube ? not only for Oso....but for all frames
  • 1 0
 @Monotrace-proto:
Hello Monsieur Proto! Thanks for the compliments, I'm glad you like the look of the Oso!

For most of the rock protectors, we start with a bare frame and just go ride it. The whole thing gets really scratched and dinged up, and from the biggest damage to the paint we can see where the coverage needs to be... Over the course of several bike models, we have tuned in to where the coverage needs to be for 95% of riders. There may be some that live in rocky areas that need more coverage, but we also want to keep the guard from becoming too huge, since that will be costly and ugly.

Still, it's a learning process and so we aim to improve every chance we get. Do you have any direct feedback to give? Please DM me, I'd love to hear it!
  • 138 34
 All the 45-55 year old guys who have Ripmo’s and zero riding skill are going to snap these up like hotcakes. Many of them hated ebikes but this is their symbol it’s ok to switch over. It’s so hard to squeeze in a six mile ride after a tough day working at home so having a motor is a real game changer.
  • 62 0
 I feel heard.
  • 92 2
 This. Those guys wouldn't be caught dead on a lame Trek or Specialized ebike, but this is the one. They wanted the Evil or the Yeti, but their church group didn't like the Evil branding and their boss already bought a the Yeti.
  • 1 0
 @Glenngineer: dam son, life's tough lol
  • 9 0
 Damn, I'm only 38 but now I feel 45 Frown
  • 3 0
 @Skaiwawker: Don't speak for me.

I'm 39.
  • 1 0
 Haha WELL DONE.
  • 1 1
 @Glenngineer: Lol. Things like this get in my head. I can't bring myself to ride a yellow bike, an Evil, a WRECKoning, etc. I also can't wear odd number jerseys of my favourite players on sports teams. I'm a mess, apparently.
  • 2 0
 Was ready to buy based on your sound advice till I saw "53 LBS" weight. Think I'll crap ride my Ripmo till the SL version comes out.
  • 94 2
 As a huge Mountain Cycle San Andreas fan, I love the look!!!!
  • 9 1
 same (to both statements).
  • 12 3
 @xy9ine: Yes! I am not an eMTB fan, but I honestly think this is a gorgeous bike. I like the integrated tail light, too; I ride the road to get to the trail about 50% of the time, and this time of year that means riding home in the dark... nice to have a tail light, but I'm always breaking mounts on my bike.
  • 8 2
 I'll respectively disagree, yet I do enjoy thinking outside the box.
  • 8 0
 Foes sho.
  • 12 0
 This is the first time I've seen a combined seatstay/chainstay that I haven't hated. It looks super clean.
  • 7 0
 i did not see this coming from Ibis ! Deym that looks good
  • 6 2
 Looks like a Session. A little... (Trek Session 10)
  • 15 3
 Haha, that was a major influence on the design. Several of my buddies had the San Andreas back in the day and that was such a cool bike. We had to go elevated to make the chainstays short enough (there's only 1" between the tire and the motor) and I was all, "I know what'll look cool here"
  • 5 0
 Hmmm Mountain Cycles was from the 805 - Same area as Los Osos....coincidence, or just proof that the Book of Enoch depicted alien contact?
  • 2 0
 @suspended-flesh: Los Osos? You are in my neck of the woods.
  • 3 0
 @Riddler7: Y'all have some nice trails down there and the central coast is just all-around great in my opinion.
  • 4 0
 @suspended-flesh: west Cuesta grade, MDO, some of the stuff in Santa Barbara is great too
  • 72 10
 Integrated lights so you don't have to be seen riding this thing during the day...well done.
  • 2 1
 From what I understand this has to do with road laws in parts of Europe. These are road type day running lights
  • 1 0
 @Local717: Yes, for example Swiss law says all ebikes need lights pretty much all the time www.velosuisse.ch/en/weiterfuehrende-informationen-zur-licht-und-tachopflicht-fuer-e-bikes
  • 61 3
 If that ain't gx axs you can literally escort yourself out the door on an 11k bike.
  • 10 2
 So true, what about kashima
  • 46 15
 @talanking: kashima is a downgrade
  • 6 0
 @talanking: I can't believe noone is talking shit on the price, it has a performance fork, not even grip2.
  • 50 2
 For $11k you get a $500 alloy wheelset with no-name 36t hubs?
  • 12 6
 Not no name, They're ibis hubs
  • 13 3
 my V2 Ripmo was $187/lb and this sled is $207/lb, so using that rationale it's really only a 10% premium over the non-motorized version. #themoreyaknow
  • 5 1
 @bvd453: did ya just call the ripmo the non-motorized version of the oso??
  • 4 1
 @moutnbiker: and they are junk.
  • 2 0
 @somebody-else: they’re Novatecs. They’re not Gucci but they’re fine.
  • 1 1
 @somebody-else: never said they were premium hubs. they'll work fine till you upgrade.
  • 2 0
 @melanthius: I’ve never had a Novajunk last a year, including the Ibis logo hub on my old Ripmo AF.
  • 2 0
 @melanthius: novatec hubs on an 11k bike lol
  • 2 0
 @melanthius: My rear hub on my Ripmo ate itself after just over a year. I understand that's not uncommon...
  • 64 19
 Oso? More like Ono
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flag vhdh666 (Oct 4, 2022 at 10:23) (Below Threshold)
 should've been "Awful AF" instead of Oso
  • 7 9
 What's not to like?
  • 22 11
 Oso ugly
  • 2 0
 @ryan77777: 53 LBS of what not to like.
  • 38 4
 Did the world just end? Ibis making eBikes has to signal something dramatic.
  • 38 6
 The writing is on the wall. On the days where I come back from a ride, where I have seen mostly ebikes, I am fearful for mankind.
  • 4 1
 @hellanorcal: #painislove
  • 2 0
 No but end is nigh.
  • 22 1
 literally "let the ibis do the work for you"... honestly surprised they didn't adopt that phrase for this bike.
  • 13 3
 I had the opportunity to test this bike for the engineering feedback in Bellingham. It has a lot what you’d expect with the switch. It was playful, jumped really well and charged downhill. Seems fairly easy to upgrade the suspension to 170 or more in the rear for more wild terrain. TBH it was one of the best ebikes I’ve gotten to ride, the Bosch motor was incredible and Ibis really did their homework making sure the first ebike was well tested and performed well. Congrats to everyone involved creating this.
  • 8 8
 @hellanorcal: Hell yeah dude! Earn your turns. Don't pedal a 1hp bike to the top. Ride a shuttle truck or a chairlift like a real man!
  • 1 0
 @hellanorcal: This happens regularly to me now near Tahoe (on non-motorized trails, mind you). The moped apocalypse is upon us.
  • 34 2
 Must have been a bear to design, and it looks majestic! Bravo Ibis
  • 13 2
 Came here to say something similar - the suspension/frame design is stunning. And to accomplish such a svelte look on an e-bike is wild.
  • 5 0
 She's no Oso Flaco, but all things considered, not the worst motoped out there.
  • 29 1
 I let my ibis do the job! On drops and climbs too now.
  • 2 0
 Better not lol. We all saw how that one went.
  • 39 13
 53 pounds, lord have mercy. You hate pedalling so much you are willing to take a 20lb and $5k penalty, not to mention you lose fitness too... What a bargain
  • 15 3
 Honestly, you will probably be developing a lot of core muscles manhandling a 53 pounds machine, so kind of depends on your definition of fitness.
  • 14 10
 You don't lose fitness.you probably gain some muscle in your upper body though.
  • 15 3
 @wburnes: You do lose mountain bike specific climbing fitness. The strength needed to muscle over tough root or rock sections, etc. Full fat emtb pedaling is much more akin to road fitness. Lower powered bikes are middle ground. I agree that you definitely gain upper body, core and then attack position strength. They are amazing tools for getting fitness and skills but you need to keep riding normal bikes at least weekly to keep the mountain bike fitness.
  • 10 4
 @heatproofgenie: you are absolutely right. I do both EMTB and MTB. I really enjoy both.

EMTB allows me to go for extra long ride and enjoy the fun uphill and downhill. The extra long ride with EMTB helps me build endurance while MTB ride build strength. Another good thing is I can do EMTB more than a few days without putting too much stress on my body.

So I'm getting the best of both worlds. Highly recommend to do both.

One complain though about EMTB is the damn price.
  • 9 10
 People go up 20lbs on bench press all the time and don't complain about it, why are mountain bikers so afraid of weight? Ebikes strengthen your descending fitness, which most of us here care about more. I'd rather be able to bang out more laps in the bike park than do a techy climb but that's just me.
  • 2 1
 @gravitybass: two decades of light makes right in bike marketing
  • 1 0
 @somebody-else: Try 3.5 decades, young one. Big Grin
  • 1 0
 @Chuckolicious: nah first decade was it doesn’t break, go find the og stumpjumper ad. That tank was 29 pounds!
  • 2 0
 @somebody-else: Don't need to find an ad, I got one in the garage! Big Grin But seriously, by like 89 weight weenies were real.
  • 1 0
 @gravitybass: Places like Lenzerheide have a 25KG limit on their lifts, adding a full bottle, tools or swapping a few parts would mean this bike would be too heavy...
  • 22 3
 So the suspension layout is essentially a Turner DHR that had a one night stand with the last-gen Demo. Kudos for Ibis for going out on a limb with a unique design. Its not just another aluminum EP8 ebike frame.
  • 26 6
 can we get a analog version?
  • 20 0
 I quit reading when I saw 11k for GX...
  • 3 1
 Implying any ebike right now is not a rip off, considering the fact that if you go with a aftermarket kit you get more then twice the power (or more riding time) for sometimes half the price.

Should be really obvious with the emergence of "ebike specific" stuff, cause apparently your wheels or fork can somehow tell if the extra weight is on the bike or the person.
  • 1 0
 @8a71b4: Us mtn bikers are always down for a thiccer stanchion or a bigger volume air can. "ebike specific" is just an excuse to finally do it.
  • 19 2
 Great looking bike, and I love Ibis, but this for me is the pumpkin ale of their lineup: neat to try, but I wouldn't own it. Now let's see a new DV9.
  • 14 0
 One of the better looking ebikes for my taste. Sizing is interesting, 540 reach on the XL, with a 665 stack, thats a big ole bike
  • 4 0
 I’ve ridden the XL. I’m 6’3” and it felt super comfy. I’m sure Andy can comment on this too, but the super steep STA makes for a coMfy pedaling position on steep climbs and a super stable descender. Normally I ride bike with a reach of 490 and a 630 stack, but this one feels great at 540. The large honestly felt too small for me. Super steep STA’s make a huge difference.
  • 1 1
 @zmums: What are the effective top tubes you normal ride? (that's what matters for fit, not reach)
  • 1 1
 @pmhobson:

ETT does a bad job of accounting for STA and seat height adjustments. ESP for y’all people. A steep STA and super long reach may have a huge ETT but still be relatively shorter when seated with the dropper up than a bike with a slack STA and short reach with a smaller ETT that feels stretched when the post is extended. Just saying Ibis are trying something new size wise that works really well, but people get confused about what these numbers mean in the real world. My saddle height is way up there so ETT doesn’t mean much compared to knowing my seat tube angle/ reach/ stack and bar position stem length.

Ride it and see for yourself!
  • 2 0
 @zmums: At which height is the ESTA defined for this bike, stack or full dropper post extension? It makes a huge difference given the slackness of the real seat tube angle.
  • 3 0
 @jollyXroger: Hey Roger, The ESTA is defined at the saddle height (fully extended post). We used data from our own demos to define the average saddle height for each size bike, and have a good idea of the range of saddle heights that each size will see. On S/M/L/XL the ESTAs are 77/77/78/79 respectively. While the slack real STA does move the saddle fore/aft as you move down/up, the effect is not huge. At max saddle height on each size, the ESTA slackens by less than a degree (more like 0.6-0.8 degrees). Not as big a deal as it's made out to be...
  • 3 0
 @AJMIAC: Thanks!
  • 31 18
 I was all stoked on the Made in USA, low emission direction Ibis was moving in....but now I see ebikes and am confused
  • 37 8
 You can’t virtue signal if you are out of business Wink
  • 4 0
 Keep in mind, ramping up from just the Exie to more models is a lot more work than you'd think, and based on hat availability of a Exie has been, it's going to likely be awhile till more than just the Exie is made there.
  • 15 1
 @somebody-else: everyone wants onshore manufacturing but when a company starts to do that, it’s virtue signaling? Doesn’t add up.
  • 4 4
 Virtue signaling and greenwashing are rather expensive marketing strategies. Money gotta come from somewhere.
  • 4 3
 @analog7: it’s VS when they don’t actually follow through with anything, or take several leaps backwards with a release like this.
  • 14 2
 @analog7: I work in domestic manufacturing and agree, it's not virtue signaling. I think companies should take pride in domestic operations. I was mainly poking at the environmentally friendly claims manufacturers make (not just Ibis) but then they produce e bikes which are a step backwards
  • 1 1
 @gsprunner Compare the environmental cost of generating electricity with the cost of producing food. Ebikes are very efficient, despite the manufacturing emissions
  • 1 0
 @Tambo: You need food to live, ebikes are a luxury
  • 1 0
 @korev: absolutely. But many people just see the power used by ebikes as extra drain on the planet's resources, but really they are balanced at least somewhat
  • 14 0
 Not just an electric Ripmo......an electric MOUNTAIN CYCLE!
  • 13 1
 given that the average leverage ratio is 2.583, it is strange that adding 5mm of stroke yields an extra 15mm of travel. i would like to see the leverage curve for this
  • 3 1
 Yeah that seems pretty strange. Back of the envelope based on ave. LR gives me ~162mm. Pretty lame in my opinion when a bike company doesn't make the leverage chart public.
  • 1 0
 technically 8mm added isn't it?
  • 7 0
 My previous post is actually wrong I was using 150mm instead of 155mm. Using the right number I get that the longer stroke would result in ~168mm of travel so actually not too far off what they are stating.
  • 4 0
 @notsosikmik: yeah, it is fairly close if the leverage ratio were a constant 2.583. typically, we'd see a lower leverage ratio at the end of the travel, so it seems they're either claiming a round figure (perhaps just for 'marketing' purposes) or they actually have a wildly different leverage curve.

i think seb had an article a while back about how inaccurate travel claims can be. from memory, i think one of the examples he gave was the 2017-2019 enduro that his friend tested, which was only achieving 148mm out of a claimed 165mm.
  • 2 0
 All the bikes with two travel options have the numbers rounded up because +5mm on the shock gives you a weird 12-13mm of extra travel. You can see this in XC-Trail bikes all the time.
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 @Antoncor: yes, it does seem unlikely that so many rear suspension configurations just happen to yield travel increments of 5 or 10mm - there are a lot of 120, 130, 140, 150, 160, etc. travel claims. I think it probably has as much to do with marketing them into certain categories as it does with accurately making statements about true amounts of rear wheel travel
  • 2 1
 I dunno. Rounding 13 mm to 15 mm seems reasonable. Definitely not accurate. But reasonable.
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 @pmhobson: 2mm isn't a huge difference. the point is that most leverage curves are progressive, so the actual leverage ratio at the end of the stroke is much lower. the 13mm calculation is based on the average applied to the entirety of the last 5mm of shock stroke. in reality, it is probably closer to 10mm of rear wheel travel (again, unless they have a very different leverage curve, just wish they'd share it - I can't find it on their website)
  • 3 0
 @twonsarelli: I've just checked and the LR is around (3.15-2.35) so you get 12mm extra travel with the 65mm shock. We don't know if 155 is rounded too so it can be 155-167, 156-168 or anything in between.
  • 17 1
 @Antoncor: Yup, that's pretty close. The LR rebounds slightly late to counteract the gigantic bottom out bumpers Fox put on their shocks. Stock travel is 155.00mm, Dalek version (longer-travel) is 168.4mm, which I rounded up to 170 with apologies.

We don't publish the exact LR curves because that is part of what makes DW's designs so good, so we have to preserve some of the secret sauce...
  • 4 0
 @AJMIAC: that’s cool. Thanks for the update. Glad to see ibis with a proper long travel rig, even if it is an eBike I’ll never own! Curious to see if the next gen Ripmo will grow (or maybe something rowdier can slot into the 160-180 muscle bike territory)
  • 8 0
 @AJMIAC: good on you for getting in the comments and discussing all the details candidly. I wouldn’t have counted myself as a big Ibis fan previously, nor an ebike fan, but this thing looks pretty sick.
  • 1 0
 @AJMIAC: Thank you for the response to this. Can totally understand just rounding up 170 and I don't really see an issue with it.
  • 2 1
 @AJMIAC: surprised you're here replying to comments, but won't publish the kinematics which we can find out for ourselves with a bit of effort. Just don't let @seb-stott review it! lol
  • 3 0
 @Tambo: As long as the DW-Link patent is active, I imagine that the people paying to license it are going to be somewhat game in protecting the intellectual property.

Could a third party measure the curves with some suspension telemetry, cable-pull potentiometers, and LabView installed on a 2003 Dell laptop with a cracked screen? Yeah. That'd be fun, I think.
  • 1 0
 @pmhobson: I can get pretty close from the side-on pics in this article, and software I could buy for £25 (last time I checked)... There just isn't any point in being coy about it. If someone wants to find out what it does and how it does it, whether it's out of personal interest or for financial gain, it's easy. That said, I completely understand the desire to keep it a secret. But to me it's similar to keeping the geometry a secret; you may have taken ages and $$$ developing it, but anyone can find it out with a tape measure.
  • 4 1
 @Tambo: Three caveats to what you say:
1) You can only get so accurate with a photo, and the suspension kinematic is extremely sensitive to actual position. We have a tolerance of +/-0.1mm on suspension pivot placements so that one bike doesn't feel different from another. So, you're limited on what you can find out from a photo. Seb's 3D scan is certainly more accurate, but is still working from a bike that may or may not be in tolerance.
2) The suspension analysis software everyone uses is flawed and gives inaccurate charts. They have a set of assumptions of what the fork is doing that skews the LR curve towards more-progressive, especially late in the travel (last ~30% of wheel stroke?). In general, the AS curve shows 110%+ on most bikes, but this would be very much un-rideable if the true AS was over 100%. So, they are good for comparison between bikes, but they are not showing what actually is happening.
3) Having numbers is great and all, but knowing/feeling the difference between bikes and then correlating that to a chart value/shape is the real value. Until you know what all these bikes FEEL like, then you can start reading charts to try and guess what a new bike will ride like.

With those limitations in mind, by all means go nuts and have fun with it!
  • 1 0
 @AJMIAC: You forgot to comment that some geometry drawings are misleading, that you move the pivot points just a little bit to fool everyone and to make it more difficult to find out how the suspension works...
  • 2 0
 @AJMIAC: the picture method is accurate enough to get a very good understanding of what the target is with the kinematics. There are so many variables with all sorts of things that a 10% inaccuracy in a kinematic model is still very much good enough to understand what the designer is targeting. Of course you're quite right about needing tight tolerances in order to hit your desired numbers, though. Out of interest, with the kinematics that you're very closely controlling, how do you deal with the eye to eye tolerance on shocks? And what happens when a rider's CofG isn't where you expect it to be? I'm not trying to be a d1ck here (believe it or not); I'm just keen on bikes being demystified. There isn't special sauce or black magic; there's just science Smile

Yeah, the errors in that software are pretty funny. So close...but yet so far!

Anyhow, I'm preaching to the choir here...
  • 2 0
 @Tambo: You are right that the placement of the CoG is the single biggest assumption made in analyzing suspension kinematics. As if a small rider has the same CoG height as a XL rider! Or even two riders on the same size frame... And then when the rider stands out of the saddle, the CoG raises significantly, which decreases the anti-squat, which is why bikes bob more when you're out of the saddle (not because you're pedaling hard!).

And yeah, when Fox told us that Eye-to-eye length had a tolerance of +/-5mm, we were all IT WUT. That was wild
  • 13 0
 Giving new meaning to "Let my Ibis do the job"

www.pinkbike.com/news/video-friday-fails-120.html
  • 15 1
 Nice lines on this one.
  • 5 0
 Never thought I'd say the same about an Ibis frame.
  • 8 0
 It seems odd that they currently have Factory 38s on even the NX/GX builds of the Ripmo but put a Performance 38 on this bike (which being heavier with longer travel, I think a 38 makes more sense in the first place).
  • 7 1
 They're going with cheap specs and hoping the noobs that buy it don't notice, like their SC neighbors do.
  • 1 1
 Actually I think it makes sense. The increased weight in the front triangle makes your suspension perform better, so you might not notice the difference between fork variants. On a regular bike its easier to tell the difference (or so I am told).
  • 1 1
 @wburnes: nonsense
  • 1 0
 @DCF: how so
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 @wburnes: It does not make sense for lowest specced 160mm Ripmo bike to get a better fork than an 11k 170mm bike. Even if there's extra weight in the front triangle. They both should get one, or the 11k longer travel bike should have it.

You're failing to realize the bike is11k with a lot in-house parts specced, including the wheels and hubs. It should get the nicest fork available, you're paying for it.

But I predict in the near future all of their Ripmos won't be specced with factory suspension. Those days are probably over. Just like their head tube badges.
  • 1 0
 @DCF: The Ripmo V2s weren't all specced with Factory suspension when they came out (and were specced with 36s I believe). They also started at $4300 for an NX build (with performance level suspension I think). I suspect it was supply chain stuff that ended up with everything sporting Kashima 38s, so I wouldn't be shocked at all to see them change spec down the line.
  • 1 0
 @MarcusBrody: I know, but they are all factory 38's on the Ripmo line currently and have been all year. I personally would swap the factory forks off of the current ngx Ripmo with these. Then you could offer a lower entry level to the v2 and have a top tier fork on the new prized ebike.
  • 2 0
 @DCF: I completely agree. That's what I was trying to get at in the first comment of this thread
  • 17 10
 Remember when VCRs were over $1,000 in the 80s? Well, most of you won't. But imagine paying $11,000 for an ebike that in 5 years will be worth 10% of that. Yikes. Additionally, imagine rolling up to a trailhead in 2028 felling like a baller just to see that the motors are 1/2 the size on the current ebikes and you and your bike look as dated as a 26" Klein does now at the trailhead. No thanks.
  • 31 0
 Heresy; Kleins are timeless.
  • 23 1
 Did the owner have fun in those imagined five years?
  • 15 2
 If "feeling like a baller" is something on your mind at the trailhead, then (and I hate this phrase): "you're doing it wrong"
  • 29 3
 Nobody who can afford an $11k bike thinks like you do or gives a shit what it will look like in 6 years when they won’t be riding it anyway.

Enjoy the time you have and worry less about 2028 trailhead bros you weirdo.
  • 3 0
 @EricHarger: ugh, I rode a friend’s Klein a few years back to help troubleshoot something. I found it nearly unrideable. Thankfully he’s moved on to a modern bike.
  • 7 3
 Your comment is timeless in the sense that you can post the exact same thing in 2028 and it will still be true looking five years into the future. This applies to ebikes and regular bikes. Progress is relentless.
  • 4 1
 @haen: Not really.. Technology does plateau after a while, regardless of what Marketing Professionals tell you to make a sale. Pedal-bike tech increased much more rapidly between 2012-2017 than 2017-2022.
  • 4 0
 imagine imagining imagination
  • 2 2
 @Glory831Guy: I agree that progress isn’t always linear but bikes 5 or 10 years from now will be more capable than those on sale today.
  • 2 3
 Given the scenario you provide, I have to assume you don’t have a bike at all, as you’re just waiting for The Perfect One. (To say nothing of a house, pet, partner, job etc.)
  • 2 0
 The Ripmo V1 came out nearly 5 years ago and it's only received a tinkering since then to make it comparable with coils. It's still a very popular trail bike rolling up on 2023 and I don't see that changing for another couple years (and it's also got the best color way of all the ripmos with that blue and orange).
  • 7 0
 Bummed about Alicia. I think I speak for everybody when I say that we are pulling for you. Bike looks good. Looks like it’s super easy to tune and change the shock.
  • 9 1
 Best ebike design ever! Dw great! But 13k for sram gx, performance fox and alu rims... huahhh
  • 11 4
 So what bike companies are totally dedicated to normal bikes now? Just Spot and GG?
  • 6 0
 Knolly
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 Are you kidding?
  • 5 0
 Revel, Raaw, Forbidden, Starling. So pretty much every MTB company that's over 10 years old and isn't just making hardtails makes an ebike now.
  • 5 23
flag mcozzy (Oct 4, 2022 at 10:27) (Below Threshold)
 Who cares. It's like still wanting a black and white TV set. Who even buys non eebs these days.
  • 3 0
 @knoxharrington: forbidden has one, and it's almost as ugly as this one
  • 6 0
 Banshee
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 Why do you give a shit, you are buying a bike not marrying the company or joining a cult.
  • 6 1
 RAAW, Knolly and Banshee are still focused on making mountainbikes.
  • 7 0
 Canfield
  • 9 0
 $11K and a Grip Fork?
  • 7 0
 Why isn't there a photo straight on from the back? Gotta see that weird linkage/frame interaction with the shock
  • 12 4
 I wish it wasn't Oso ugly.
  • 6 0
 That's one of the first e-bike designs that draws your eye away from the ugly electric motor. I wouldn't buy it...but I love the thinking behind it.
  • 3 1
 They ought to paint the motor housing to match the frame
  • 5 0
 What I do not understand is everyone hated the Marin/ Polygon singular rear swingarm frames looks although many said that it rode quite well. Then Ibis poops this out and it is getting love. Why?
  • 2 0
 Just have a other look at the marygon again. And then back to this.
  • 1 0
 @Tambo: I have. If you smack a motor into the bottom bracket area of the Wolf Ridge and then shorten the links around the pivot, which you would have to do as there is no more room due to said motor, you have this bike. The Marin/ Polygon is more angular which maybe makes it less appealing?

I read somewhere that DW was trying to break into the moto world and it was not working. I guess he took that design and Ibis snapped it up?
  • 1 0
 @jmhills: now I understand how so many bikes can look like a session
  • 4 0
 Lol non-AXS GX, no-name alu wheels and a shitty base level fork. Embarrassing spec for the price.

I get it though, the target customer for this walks into a shop with zero idea what they're looking at but with full intention of buying a cool looking expensive toy. The sales staff will tell them it's from a premium brand, throw in some buzzwords and close the deal. That customer has no clue different levels of drivetrains or suspension even exist but it says "performance" on the fork so it must be good.
  • 6 0
 That afterthought controller screen is the 2023 version of "Ripley Cable Dice"
  • 9 1
 540 reach on the XL?
  • 8 2
 that's gigantic, but let's not forget it has a 79 deg seat angle and relatively high stack, so it probably won't feel that much bigger
  • 13 3
 @tgr9: It will still feel like a cruise ship when standing and descending. Folks forget that steep SA argument only holds while seated, not while actually having fun
  • 7 0
 My XXL spire has a bit longer wheelbase. It's worth it for the handful of tight things that require extra body English. So good at speed. Also I'm 6'6". Happy to see this even tho I have no interest in eMTB.
  • 5 3
 ...which is great. That's literally the ONLY positive about this bike. Finally, geometry for actual tall people.
  • 7 0
 @Muscovir: Ha...a bike for the 1% of height population. If I were that tall I'd be happy with it too
  • 2 0
 @tgr9:
Yeah and a stupidly small 426mm seattube to make sure that tall riders can't ride without having the creaking seatpost experience of their life.
Like seriously. My neighbors 26 kids bike has the same length. Lol
  • 3 0
 @OneTrustMan:
that's why you use a 240mm dropper hahah, added creaking right out of the box!
  • 1 0
 @tcmtnbikr: I'm 6'2" and would ride the XL. It's not that big considering the 79 degree seat angle is measured at a 82cm seat height. I ride a 83cm seat height.
  • 2 0
 At 6'5" I am all for it. Of the eMTBs I've ridden and also ogled at, they're *generally* shorter than their meat-powered counterparts.
  • 2 0
 @tgr9: I'm on a 240 drop OneUp on an XL frame. No creaking, no issues whatsoever. YMMV
  • 5 1
 Even though their new logo is somehow uglier than their previous logo, Ibis is one of my favorite motorcycle companies. Pretty well thought-out mechanical designs usually.
  • 5 1
 I love how all release photos of e-bikes never include proper angles of the downtube showing the battery, cause they all know it's THICC AF
  • 7 3
 Integrated lights?? Sure they may be convenient, but no way I'll ever see that an not think "LAME!!!"... we are crossing over with city bikes now??
  • 2 0
 I think it's clever. Where I ride, I'd definitely be grateful for the extra couple of minutes this might afford me for end of day rides. I'm here for this kind of innovation.
  • 3 0
 Around here the law obliges you to have lights at all times...
  • 1 0
 @korev: So you’re saying that “America First” is not a sound policy… haha. Wink
  • 2 0
 @sngltrkmnd: America First, Switzerland Second... www.youtube.com/watch?v=reuJ8yVCgSM
  • 5 3
 E bikes need to start looking more like dirt bikes with burlier parts - I can't help think they look ridiculous with those guide down tubes and then every thing else like a mtb.
And they also need their own website...pinkybike.com Wink
  • 6 1
 52lb and 11,000usd. Did they put lead in the prepreg? At this rate petrol versions will be lighter aswell cheaper
  • 6 0
 Looks great but terrible spec for 11k
  • 5 0
 That rear suspension linkage and shock area looks like a massive pain in the ass to keep clean.
  • 10 1
 I rode the bike through two winters in Bellingham, so I got to see the worst of it. The linkages are pretty well covered by the rear tire fender, that thing really does its job. The shock area is sloped under the shock so mud and water can flow off the bike instead of building up. We added extra clearance around the shock and the shock fender (at the back of the ST) because we saw mud building up on the shock and then marring the frame. So this bike got a lot of testing time to suss out some of these details.
  • 2 0
 @AJMIAC: why not completely enclose the shock from debris and the elements? Better cooling? Easier service?
  • 3 0
 @wburnes: We saw other people's bikes where the shock was totally enclosed and saw the hurdles that created... Hard to work on the shock, hard to adjust the shock, hard to clean the shock (because mud will get in there anyway). Contrary to popular internet sentiment, shocks don't get THAT hot, so cooling is not really a factor.
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 @AJMIAC: why did you choose to put rear shock stroke at 155 instead of 170 stock? it seems like every buyer would prefer the 170 rear? will you offer option for buyers to get the bike at 180 front and 170 rear out of the box so they wont have to pay more for that?
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 @slickrides: Your statement is not true, that "every buyer would prefer 170mm." If YOU prefer 170mm of travel, I built it into the bike so that you can do that! You're welcome LOL. Try it in 170/155 travel and you will find that it is an incredibly capable bike. If it is still lacking that extra oomph you want, bump it up to more.

On a serious note, you don't have to buy all new fork and shock to get the longer travel settings. A new air spring from Fox and a shock service that takes out the travel limiter in the shock are MUCH cheaper than all-new parts (~$400 vs ~$1600)
  • 5 0
 @AJMIAC: I really don't understand why someone would choose to have less travel, other than weight savings (which on an ebike, isnt really relevant).

Why are there so no good options for ebikes with 200mm+ of suspension travel?

If the whole purpose of an ebike is to enable you to hit things harder/faster/longer why not have the componentry best suited to the task (more travel, dual crowns, ~62 degree head angle, etc)?

I understand that many people don't have terrain that requires a pedal-able DH ebike, but that's also the case for many Enduro ebikes as well.

The only bikes that come close IIRC are the:
Pole Voima (only 190mm rear)
Husqvarna Extreme Cross (27.5 only, 65 degree headangle)
Haibike Dwnhll (27.5 only, not available in the US)
Specialized Turbo Kenevo Expert (only 180mm front and rear, overpriced, 27.5 only)
  • 3 0
 @AJMIAC: meh, the customer shouldnt have to fiddle with all that on a brand new bike, need an option from factory imo

i already have a 180 travel ebike and there isnt much reason i see to go shorter travel on a full fat 50 plus lb ebike that i can see
  • 5 2
 @wburnes: While I agree with you personally that there is little downside to having extra travel on an ebike, did you notice how so many people thought of this bike at 170/155?? It was presented as a "bruiser" and a "heavy hitter" and that is based on many MTBers' biases about suspension travel. We built this bike with the BARE MINIMUM travel that we saw as fun to ride on an ebike. The Oso is not a long-travel bike in my mind, it has a sufficient amount of travel to have a good MTB experience. If you need more, I built more into the system. But more travel would get even more "whoa, this thing is yuge" reactions. We gotta hit the tall part of the bell curve, you know? And not scare anyone off.

I would love to see/have/ride a 200mm ebike, mainly because I have the terrain and trails to use something like that, and for that I am lucky. I can foresee that would be the end result that we will eventually get to in 5-10 years time...?
  • 4 3
 @slickrides: We didn't offer every option under the sun... Just one spec. Sorry! If we offered a bike with a 40 and coil shock, the sticker price would have been pretty astronomical (even more so than our current offering!) We basically offered a Levo that you can turn into a Kenevo if you want/like that option. I think that is pretty sweet. I've already got pix from someone setting up their Oso with Ohlins dual crown and long-travel shock, so people are already doing their thing and making the Oso even more rad
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 @AJMIAC: Awesome engineering, Kudos!

I'm a mulleted Kenevo owner (Boxxer @ 180mm) and a 170mm plus 10mm headset spacer Marin Wolfridge owner and Mech Eng lol. The Oso hits all the marks for me, duuude!

Copy the shock stroke spacer swap to get to 170mm but when you mention "Long Travel" shock re one owners mods, are you referring to the eye to eye length and subsequent stroke increase by using a longer shock?

I'm also looking for a full on 200/200 eDH bike. Home brewed ok with me as long as the geo stays close to what we know works. Expecting the Big S to bring the new gen Kenevo out as a mullet and perhaps up the travel...But the Oso is just so good looking! And I get to do a custom build to trick it out.
  • 1 0
 @GeneralGroovus: Hey General, Thanks very much and I'm so glad you like the Oso!

For the 170mm rear travel, the eye-to-eye (205mm) stays the same and we just increase the stroke from 60mm to 65mm.
Or rather, we take out the travel-limiting spacer that keeps the 60mm shock from stroking to 65mm. The shock does need to be taken all the way apart, so I'd recommend a qualified Fox Service Center or Fox themselves to make that switch.

For a 200mm eMTB, I was half-expecting Transition to come up with something like that, it would fit into their ethos (and the local riding terrain). My 190/170mm Oso is awfully burly and I've taken it on all the local shuttle and DH tracks. It's not quite the same as my DH bike (Commencal Supreme), but nothing really is! The added capability of the longer-travel Oso plus the ease of getting to the top (so I'm not blown from an hour and a half of grunting up a stupid fire road) has opened up my capabilities so much and I'm hitting bigger jumps and features as I've progressed. I can definitely recommend it! Check out the Fanatik video, they interviewed me and we got some riding shots, you can see the longer-travel version in action.
  • 1 0
 @AJMIAC: Copy the 190/170 is pretty darn good, will do re the vid!

Is a 222mmx70mm shock mod possible? (X2/DHX2 and TTX22M Coil) For sure a can of geometry details gets opened up but I'm looking to get closer to a 200/200 Supreme like eDH bike for the Park and no lift chunk and jump lines, cause man, a full on DH is sooo nice.

100% re downhill capabilities increased due to the ease of eMTB climbing - long travel eMtb has been awesome for me to ride with my shredder son in non lift assist riding spots as well the lift assist parks. My HR is not red lined and I'm fresh to mob down. Win win - the e haters can hate - I ride for fun. My 1994 GT RTS 3 is just art in the garage now...been there done that
  • 1 0
 @GeneralGroovus: The packaging is so tight there's no way to squeeze anything more out of this one, unfortunately. So the 222mm shock won't be able to jam in there. I'm with you, though, a 200mm powered trail/DH bike would be so rad. We can dream...
  • 1 0
 @AJMIAC: what does a 190 DC fork and changing shock stroke do to the geo?
  • 1 0
 @bnachtigall: The 190mm 40 fork is roughly the same axle-to-crown as the stock 170mm 38 fork, so the angles are largely preserved. The longer stroke shock does nothing to the geo, as the eye-to-eye is the same and the bike sits at the same height. The BB is artificially low for a 190/170mm bike, so shorter cranks would be recommended to reduce pedal strikes, I use 160mm cranks on my big-travel bike.
  • 5 0
 Form over function again from Ibis. Pivots way too closely spaced. Super high loads going through them.
  • 7 2
 Would be way more stoked on the non e-bike version of this. Instead we just got new colors for the Ripmo.
  • 2 0
 I have a Ripmo. And an ebike. I love them both.

My suggestion is to offer a "frame only" ebike frame. That would be nice. Since new ebikes are coming up, I'd just prefer to swap my parts from one bike to another. Just like my non-ebikes.

Also, if you all are interested in more "cost effective, yet sweet ebikes" I'd look at Commencal's lineup. Just sayin' Smile For a lot less than $11k I got an XT build, Fox factory suspension and seatpost, DTswiss wheels, maxxis meats. I'm stoked! It's not carbon, but who cares?
  • 8 7
 Cockpit is a total disaster with that huge Bosch controller, screen hanging off the bars, front light and so many cables. Also strange decision from Ibis to have stuck lights on the bike with internally routed cables...Could've used regular battery powered lights and remove if you don't want them.
  • 5 0
 I think you can just remove that big display if you dont want it.
  • 1 0
 In many places the fixed lights are now the law
  • 11 6
 Interrupted seat tube is an instant fail
  • 4 2
 The actual seat tube height is very, very low, so it may look like not much room for a dropper, but I'm running a 200mm post in there now and there's room to spare. It just looks a bit deceiving.
  • 2 0
 @theloamrangerchannel: Imagine if you rode a small
  • 7 2
 When did Pole start making carbon bikes?
  • 5 0
 So is this to say that future Ibis sizing might be less tiny?
  • 14 9
 just when you think Ibis can't make a bike any uglier, they find a way
  • 4 2
 They must measure the effective seat tube angle about 100mm above the BB. That is one of the slackest actual seat angles I’ve ever seen.

I wouldn’t even consider it even if I could get over the looks or the price tag.
  • 8 2
 Nother eBike. Yay
  • 4 4
 Hell yeah!!!!
  • 4 0
 All that design work and then oh what about the display...let's just clamp it here. Whoops
  • 4 0
 I’ve had 2 Ripmo frames crack under the down tube guard, the guard on this doesnt even cover the width of the downtube.
  • 5 4
 Lack of attention to detail raises doubt about the overall bike.

Why add lights and especially a taillight? My guess is people buying a $10K already have multiple lights.

The cockpit wiring is a mess and the fix makes it worse.

Why didn't they use i-spec mounts to eliminate the bar clamp, especially for professional photos?

Why didn't they hide the taillight wire rather? Instead, they mold a channel for it.

The Bosch display and remote look like they were designed in 2000. Trek and Specialized are in another league. Don't give me excuses that they are larger manufacturers.

The top tube logos are too much and they seem out of order - logo, OSO, Ibis. That's like saying Ranger Ford.

What are these BLK BRD handlebars? Why wouldn't you use Ibis brand bars for your professional photos appearing everywhere?

Seriously, A Fox Performance fork on this level of bike.

Okay, I feel better airing my feelings. Smile
  • 5 0
 Blk Brd is an Ibis product line now. Like, an ibis is a black bird…
  • 1 0
 Crashing sucks and TBI is among the worst. I understand needing to protect the riders privacy. I'd also like to see media unpack major crashes to uncover lessons we can learn from them and make riding more safe for everyone. Maybe the lessons are obvious and don't need to be stated: riding is dangerous and full face helmets are better than shells...
  • 4 1
 Nice integrated rear light... but isn't the back wheel going to obscrue it when sagged?
  • 2 1
 People in cars and trucks will still be looking down on the light, not at a straight line behind the tire.
  • 3 0
 @krisrayner: not quite, when they are farther behind than just a few meters.
  • 4 1
 40 mm jump in reach between sizes? Come on, I know I'm not alone in being between sizes with that kind of gap...damnit!
  • 4 4
 No, this is fine. For once actually a bike for tall people. I think it's ugly and I hate e-bikes, but the geometry is spot on.
  • 2 1
 @Muscovir:
If the bike were for tall people it wouldn't have such a short seattube length.
  • 6 4
 Anyone else getting that in addition to meaning bear, OSO also stands for Other Significant Other? Such a brilliant name for an e-bike.
  • 10 2
 My wife would be pissed if I bought this bike, but my girlfriend would have no problem with it
  • 3 1
 Bosch motors are arguably the best on the market, but FFS they need to do something about the abortion that is their user interface.
  • 3 0
 I don't know, bikes where the chain stay and seat stay are just one arm make me feel awkward.
  • 3 0
 The biggest difference between this bike and a pole voima seems to be people says this bike looks good?!
  • 1 1
 This is very sad news! The fact that this is not front page is the exact reason that Outside buying Pinkbike ruins it. If this was a work injury then I’m sure the legal BS trumps everything for Outside. No matter how much they pretend big corporations simply don’t care!

That being said I’d have done the same thing as Pinkbike did. We all work hard for a reason!

Please get well Alicia! And I hope this community shows it’s love by supporting you! I don’t know this woman but everyone, please support by donating!
  • 3 3
 I rode with Alicia at Trans Cascadia last year. She rips! Helped her with a little bit of a wrist injury as well. There’s so much to do outside of the normal recovery process that traditional medicine gives TBI patients. Hopefully she can get a hold of a functional medicine provider that can give her some guidance. Kazimer, or anyone else In her crew, if you were looking at this contact me and I’d happy to walk her through some of her recovery process free of charge.
  • 3 1
 Cool offer. I'll say that I'd love to know more about how to recover from TBI that is beyond the basic stay off screens, get lots of rest, etc.

TBI is something many of us will deal with, even in if it's in much less severe situations.

PB you should at least dedicate a podcast or two to the subject and recovery protocols
@mikelevy @brianpark
  • 2 2
 I would have expected Ibis to release a mid power Eeb as their first E-bike. That would have been more in line with he general Ibis mantra of light and efficient bikes. This high torque, high power, big battery bruiser is more akin to a Voima or some of the other smashers out there. looking forward to seeing more TQ/Fazua Eebs come out for the mountain bikers not motorcyclists.
  • 1 0
 Agreed. And as a Ripmo owner, that would have been a more desirable bike to me. This looks cool, but I'm not ready for a 53 lb sled.
  • 1 0
 How much seatpost do you need in a XL bike with 17" of seat tube? And I bet it wont keep the 79 SA, more like 70 at full extension. So basically, seated in the rear wheel if you happen to be tall and/or with long legs.
  • 5 1
 This is a common misconception. While the effect is indeed there (as the seat goes up the seat goes back) the AMOUNT of the effect is vastly overstated. On the XL Oso, at the average saddle height of 820mm (BB to saddle top) the ESTA is 79.0 degrees. At the highest the stock post can go (minimum insertion), the saddle height is 879mm and the ETSA is 78.2 degrees. So, less that 1 degree of slacker STA, rather than the 9 degrees claimed above. Hope this helps allay your fears!
  • 2 0
 @AJMIAC: Yes indeed, thanks for chipping in!
  • 1 1
 Not what I expected from Ibis - even after it's replacement logo reveal in September. My head is spinning this week as my Exie order is being filled at the same time this behemoth is announced. I fear E-bikes will give all mountain bikers a bad rap.
  • 2 0
 The Marin Mount Vision was an ugly bike. This profile of this Oso looks very similar. Somehow, Ibis made it look good now! Go figure.
  • 6 2
 It’s just oso cool
  • 5 1
 Complex surfacing!
  • 9 9
 Yikes, took a look at this monstrosity and threw up in my mouth a little. It does have some good things going on though, I just cannot get over how ugly it is. But at least it is not Intense Tazer ugly.
  • 9 7
 Finally a ibis with a motor every company should have a couple models with motors for us older obese riders
  • 5 5
 wheres the size large? why do brands insist on missing out the large size these days? 47X is to short, 495+ is to long.

Can brands please release size large bikes for us 6ft riders?
  • 6 1
 You'll get no pity from me and my fellow 6'8"+ tall riders. At 6ft pretty much everything fits you, be thankful.
  • 1 0
 @tunnelvision: i feel for you guys dont worry, i have a friend who is mega tall and everything looks like a childs bike. he is on a g1 ATM though.
  • 3 2
 If 480-485 is exactly right to you, then 495-500 DEFINITLEY isn't "too long". That's not a thing.
  • 3 1
 I agree. It's a big gap and there are big gaps between all sizes as Kaz pointed out. My opinion is that all size large bikes should have 485mm reach. Goldilocks size. It's cool they are making properly large bikes though. I will also say that I think you can come down a bit on reach on a emtb. The extra weight actually adds plenty of stability so going down 5-15mm in reach can give back the nimbleness and the chassis weight gives the stability.
  • 4 0
 @heatproofgenie: 485mm reach means nothing without a stack measurement. It's not goldilocks. Bikes are much more complex than a single measurement, and it's all a compromise
  • 1 0
 @tunnelvision: right? As a 6'9" rider the long reach looks good, but then I realize that the cockpit would shrink so much by the time I bring the bars up to my normal 70-80mm of saddle to bar drop (800+mm to saddle top).
  • 1 0
 @GTscoob: True enough and I obviously simplified. I'll just take all my enduro oriented bikes as a large Transition Spire. That for me is the Goldilocks bike. 485 Reach, 628 Stack. Boom
  • 2 2
 What im getting at, at 6 ft many riders find the 470-475 to short but then the reach size jumps to basically 500 which is also to long, of course IMO but i ride with alot of guys at the same height and we all have the same feeling.
Like the EVO for e.g 475 then a huge jump to 498 for the s5/xl but then also the wheelbase blows out to bus lengths of 1280+

trek are pretty close with using the M/L that compares of other brands large sizing.
  • 6 0
 @HeatedRotor: "475 then a huge jump to 498" is 23mm, this is not huge, go grab a tape measure put your hands in a riding position then move them out 23mm, it's nothing really, anyone can adjust to ride either of these sizes, a few years back we all had bikes 50 or 60mm shorter and noone bat an eylid, you can't seriously expect brands to made sizes with smaller jumps than 23mm, although i do think we could standardise larger headtubes so all bikes can fit a +- reach headset to find the perfect fit for everyone, for example i'm 5'10" and having had a few bikes have settled around the 470 reach area but if one size suited you at 480-485 then theres no way they would have another perfect size for me at 470.
  • 1 2
 @maglor: im still curious why people are arguing with what i want? sure a few friends want it to but i dont see why other people care that much?

If you cant tell much of a difference between 23mm reach/ETT then you cant be that good of a rider.

500 is to long and 470 is to short for a 6ft rider IMO of curse before you continue to get upset... i feel stretched out on a 500 ish, but feel like im riding a kids bike on 470. if the guys i ride with didnt think the same id say it was just me but clearly isnt.
  • 2 0
 @HeatedRotor: I'm not saying you're wrong to want that size, i'm saying expecting a brand to cover sizes down to less than 20mm jumps is a pretty big ask.

I never said i (or anyone else) can't tell the differance, i said 23mm is small enough that anyone can adjust to ride either size if they are in between, arguably a good rider can adjust and ride anything quick.

Sometimes you just have to pick the bike that has the size where you want it, i've certainly disreguarded bikes in the past becuase i'm between sizes but it's not like we are short of choice of different bikes unless you have your heart set on one bike that doesn't have your ideal fit.
  • 4 1
 Let the Ibis do the work!!
  • 3 0
 Ibi sExie Ibi sOso They're saying the customers for this are fat.
  • 4 5
 Looks like there is some Motorcycle Swing Arm influence in the rear suspension design. Hoping and wishing for this to be successful. However, in regions like Ibis's backyard (SFBay Area) where eBikes continue to receive backlash I worry that this is the right bike at the wrong time. Pivot and Trek are trending toward blending in, not standing out, covert riding in an analog world. This is certainly a beautiful piece of engineering, but current times call for flying under the radar.
  • 9 5
 Hideous!
  • 2 0
 Looks like Cannondale’s patent on the Super-V rear swingarm finally ran out.
  • 2 1
 Two things, one, Santa cruz wants their color back

Two, maybe unpopular, but why are all ibis other bikes so damn ugly but they make a not bad looking e bike??
  • 2 0
 Not a single video of how it compresses this shock? We are in 2022... and this article finishes so abruptly...
  • 4 1
 Not just an electric ripmo it’s also an electric polygon…..
  • 3 1
 Deploy eye bleach.. Not working.. Can't unsee this.. Marinabis with a motor..
  • 1 0
 I think this bike looks great, but I have to wonder how big the market is for $10k plus E-bikes are? It seems like so many have been released in the last couple of years...
  • 3 0
 Great another super expensive bike...
  • 3 4
 BAHAHAHHAHA. JUST LIKE YETI " We as a company will never build or support ebikes and they will never be on our trails." bahahhaha my how the tides have changed. Ebikes for life..

Damn here's to a fast and successful recover for Alicia, Man that's tough to read. injuries suck and life threating injuries are, obviously, more sucky, rely on friend support and do what ever it takes to get better..
  • 1 0
 Where is that quote from and who said it?
  • 2 3
 @Circe: o man, its from more than a few years back, PB had a video up about the evolution of ebikes and the guys from Yeti and Ibis were both in the video saying similar ideas that Ebikes had no place and that they would not be on "their " trails ever. if i had the time to find the article, i would. i should have saved it. but alas. times have changed and technology has changed and inspired creativity and awesomeness. this could be my next ebike.
  • 3 1
 I hope Alicia heals up real quick, this is awful to hear about, I could give a rip about an $11k Moped
  • 2 0
 Very Nice!! I would like to see an option for variable battery size options so the ride can dictate the weight penalty.
  • 3 0
 Looks like an alternative universe Orange bike
  • 3 1
 If the light was brighter I could flash the peasants out the way rather than having to shout at them.
  • 2 1
 Hope Alicia get well, no matter the time she needs.
@brianpark please make aware additional potencial donators publishing it on the front page!
  • 1 0
 Looks good apart from the fact it uses the Old TV sized Bosch display instead of the new Frame integrated one. The price is also a bit naff for the spec.
  • 1 0
 Otherwise sure I just don't like it when the shock is exposed to mud. There's 2 benders but they don't stop the mud from gooping on to the shock.
  • 1 0
 The suspension layout looks neat. The rocker link is very short but they seem confident in the design to offer the after sales support mentioned
  • 5 2
 RipMost?
  • 7 4
 Woof
  • 29 31
 God this thing is gross, aesthetically and otherwise. I thought Ibis was never going e-radical? I can see this being a commuter bike that they stuff some fat slicks on and sell to cities as their public e-bike transit option.
  • 6 0
 If my city picked these up I would be stoked.
  • 6 1
 When you look at the whole bike its a a bit ugly, when you look at the detail photos its great! How funny is that
  • 3 0
 
  • 2 0
 It looks like the Davinci Wilson DH Frame!!!!
  • 7 4
 Looks DOPE
  • 8 1
 Looks Doped, more like.
  • 3 0
 Cannonsale Super V SL.
  • 3 1
 cool bike, would love to try one.
  • 2 0
 Yo Kaz, the colours are Forest Service Green and Storm Blue
  • 1 0
 Is the XL reach 530 or 540? Article says one and the size chart says the other...
  • 1 2
 It's a shame they just did their rebrand. This bike looks very interesting and has some good lines, but would look significantly better with their classic headtube badge and branding.
  • 2 0
 Nice colours. His 'n hers.
  • 3 1
 Dual Compound DD Assegai sounds awful
  • 1 0
 "chainslap protection on the underside of the downtube"

Most interesting detail on the whole thing!
  • 2 0
 I hope she has a speedy and full recovery!!
  • 2 0
 I'd ride that thing like your mother on bingo night.
  • 2 0
 Just here for the comments
  • 3 1
 Marin called they want that wack ass wolf ridge swing arm back
  • 3 0
 Needs more rear travel.
  • 1 0
 Very Impressive, Fantastic even, but I still prefer the original Ibis badge
  • 3 1
 its radical
  • 22 20
 O-SO F’ing ugly!
  • 2 4
 Whatever
  • 9 8
 Another poser MX e-bike... SICK!
  • 3 1
 Polygon chainstays?
  • 1 0
 Did mountain cycle have some leftover chainseatstays?
  • 2 1
 Oh no, another I Pay For My Downhill MTB rider's ego just got popped.
  • 2 0
 * huge down tubes
  • 2 0
 Looks like a Voima!
  • 3 2
 About time ! Welcome to the party …
  • 5 5
 I don’t think Ibis knows how to make a cool looking bike. They just can’t for some reason haha
  • 4 2
 Lovleee bikeeee
  • 2 1
 Ibis, Great work and all the naysayers Can say nay. Mkay’
  • 2 2
 It’s a super dope bike, you couldn’t design it, and basically step off and enjoy the celebration knuckleheads.
  • 1 0
 Wonder if a pinion gearbox could be fitted to this in a future design
  • 2 1
 800 lumens is useless for night riding singletrack
  • 4 4
 Best looking Ebike on the market, by far. Which is wild given the design on the swingarm. Can't believe it works so well.
  • 1 0
 Looks like a Mountain Cycle Shockwave from the 2000's
  • 1 0
 Coooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool
  • 1 1
 I B so-so is an interesting claim…
  • 1 0
 Wüd bang.
  • 4 4
 WTF am I looking at here.. certainly not a bicycle
  • 1 0
 Garbage
  • 22 23
 Probably one of the ugliest bikes that got released in the last decade!
  • 2 7
flag Tigergoosebumps (Oct 4, 2022 at 12:46) (Below Threshold)
 Ooooooookay
  • 3 0
 Ever seen Haibike or Ghost *vomit emoji*
  • 1 3
 I'm not sure I'd describe a chainslap protector on the underside of the downtube as a clever design feature myself.
  • 3 3
 Haha Woof
  • 4 7
 Looks like a Costco bike.
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