First Look: YT Industries TUES CF

Feb 19, 2015
by Paul Aston  



Following recent news that Young Talent (YT) Industries have expanded into North American and Oceania markets, the German brand finally launches the much anticipated, carbon framed version of the TUES DH. There have been spy shots floating around for some time, and after their first foray in to carbon with the Capra it comes as no surprise that they have taken this material to their-best selling model (yes, downhill bikes are YT's best seller) and of course, added 27.5 inch wheels in to the mix. After adding carbon and bigger wheels to the incredible value of their complete bikes, it's likely you'll be seeing a TUES CF on a hill near you soon.


TUES CF Details:

• Carbon main frame and seat stay, aluminium chain stay and linkage
• Frame is one KG lighter than 2014 alloy model
• 27.5" wheels
• 4VL suspension system
• 208mm travel
• 150x12mm rear spacing
• 63.5° head angle
• Colours: Green/White Comp - Red/Blue Pro
• Sizes: S, M, L
• Price: MSRP €3499 Comp - €3999 (North America and Oceania TBD)
• Contact: YT Industries


YT TUES CF 2015
bigquotesTwo years of development, considerable brain power and engineering skill as well as input from YT athletes such as Andreu Lacondeguy and Cam Zink have all led to the creation of something close to the perfect downhill bike. - YT press release

YT YUES BOS Suspension 2015
YT YUES BOS Suspension 2015
YT went all out on the TUES CF Pro's suspension, spec'ing a BOS Idylle Rare fork and air-sprung Void DH shock. The more affordable Comp features a RockShox BoXXer Team fork and a coil-over Vivid R2C shock.

YT YUES CF Pro
YT YUES CF Comp
The CF Pro has E-thirteen LG1r wheels and cranks, and a SRAM X01 DH seven-speed transmission. The Comp has DT Swiss wheels, a SRAM X9 ten-speed transmission and Truvativ Descendant cranks. Both models are well appointed.


Specs and Geometry

YT TUES CF 2015
YT TUES CF 2015

YT TUES CF Comp 2015
YT TUES CF Comp 2015

YT TUES CF Comp 2015
DT Swiss wheels and High Roller II rubber
A few details from the TUES Comp: Race Face Atlas direct-mount stem and bars, Vivid R2C shock, Maxxis high Roller II rubber and colour matched SDG saddle.



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Official YT Press Release:

Das TUES CF – it is done. YT’s flagship downhill bike now in carbon. In April 2015, Forchheim-based bike manufacturer YT Industries will bring a brand new carbon version of its TUES downhill bike to the market. The heir to the much-acclaimed aluminum version is the result of two full years of development effort, and sets a new standard for big bikes. The heart of this speeding bullet is a new carbon frame featuring modern “race” geometry, which when coupled with the proven characteristics of the TUES AL is sure to make waves and turn heads on the trails.

If YT Industries is all about Good Times, the TUES CF is about even Better Times! The latest brainchild of YT’s developers raises the question: an even better version of an already award-winning bike? Hard to imagine, but a reality as of this spring. Two years of development, considerable brain power and engineering skill as well as input from YT athletes such as Andreu Lacondeguy and Cam Zink have all led to the creation of something close to the perfect downhill bike. And now, after getting a first glimpse of the prototype during Crankworx 2014 in Whistler, riders from Europe, USA, Australia, Canada, New Zealand and Israel can look forward to the production version, available for purchase directly from the manufacturer of course.

Like its aluminum predecessor, which Andreu Lacondeguy rode to victory at the Red Bull Rampage, the TUES CF features a low center of gravity, extremely agile handling, and great mid-stroke stability and support. It is fast and maneuverable, not only due to the carbon diet which saw the frame drop 1 kg of weight, but also thanks to its modern “race” geometry featuring significantly longer reach. The frame features our award-winning “V4L” suspension system, which provides plush and linear action over rough terrain with just the right amount of progressiveness to deal with the bigger hits. Talking about the development of this DH weapon, “of course we put our heart and soul into this project” said Stefan Willared, Head of Development at YT and father of the TUES CF. “Our goal is always to build the best bike. Like most manufacturers, we receive quite a lot of helpful feedback from our athletes. The big difference is, we take it into consideration too! I am very happy with the result, and I am confident that we have made a bike that will play in the Champions League as well as bring many riders much joy on the trails.”

The standard issue TUES CF COMP is suitable for almost any rider. The suspension components are easy to adjust and already offer great performance out of the box. The bike’s handling is forgiving and confidence-inspiring, yet competitive, for beginners and pros alike. In contrast, the premium CF PRO model is designed for high performance alone. Whether you are ripping laps in the bike park or going big in natural, technical freeride terrain, the TUES CF PRO delivers ultimate fun and performance from the first meter of the trail to the last. The highly sophisticated and fully tunable suspension is recommended for advanced riders with good understanding of bike set-up.

A pro-level ride! What in theory sounds like a “next level bike” can ultimately only be described by the feeling and fun it procures on the trail.





bigquotesThere are no options to adjust geometry or wheelbase on the TUES. YT say that they want to keep it simple so consumers don't confuse themselves about set-up and can concentrate on getting out and having fun.

Geometry-wise, the bike is well rounded, offering similar numbers to the existing alloy TUES. Nothing crazy or ground-breaking with a 63.5 degree head angle, 435mm chainstay and a 450mm reach for the large size. The only palatable difference is a 10mm longer top tube and a 2mm lower bottom bracket. People around or over the six-foot mark will be cramped, but anybody under will have an option of a suitably sized machine. There are no options to adjust geometry or wheelbase on the TUES. YT say that they want to keep it simple, so consumers don't confuse themselves about set up and can concentrate on getting out and having fun.

A couple of short days riding the TUES in Malaga certainly wasn't enough to write a solid review of the bike, but I gained a few impressions. If you want simplicity then the RockShox equipped Comp would be the bike for you. Choose the correct spring, dial in some rebound and you can be on the hill before you know it. Apart from that, there isn't much to adjust except the cockpit without pulling the suspension apart yourself or sending it to a specialist. If you need more tune-ability in your suspension, the BOS equipped Pro offers huge performance, but you will need a good knowledge base, time, and patience to get the best out of it. I felt the RockShox version to be a little more playful and more suited to bike-park style riding, whereas the suppleness and control of the BOS would be better for the race track.

YT TUES CF 2015


First Impression:
bigquotesIf I was sitting at my desk, poised to hit the 'Buy' button, I would have to drop the extra 500 euros for the Pro. I don't know why you wouldn't opt for the BOS equipped bike and its better value over the Comp. The overall package offered by YT is impressive. The smooth lines, great finish and attention to detail, combined with the components selection, including touches like the Renthal cockpit, customized SDG i-beam saddle and Sensus grips. You get the feeling that YT have really sweated it out over the details. Above all, the overwhelming aspect of the Tues is the value you get for your money - 3999 Euro with full BOS suspension? At half the price of some competitors, you can buy a bike with better damping capabilities than many professional downhill racers, even with factory support can achieve. To buy the fork alone, direct from BOS, would blow a 2090-Euro hole in your bank account. It's almost illogical how they can offer such value. - Paul Aston




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251 Comments

  • + 381
 I'd say that's a reasonably priced and aesthetically pleasing mountain bicycle.
  • + 138
 Yep. Reasonably priced and that my friends is earth shattering in the mtb world.
  • + 147
 Still cheaper than most used DH bikes in the Pinkbike buy/sell!!
  • - 24
flag preach (Feb 19, 2015 at 7:51) (Below Threshold)
 and I'll be danged, it actually looks like a FREERIDE bike...I was about to put out an APB for "Lost:Freeride bikes...last seen 2007..."
  • + 40
 For the first time in my life I have finally laid my eye upon a reasonably priced bike
  • - 28
flag peanutbuter (Feb 19, 2015 at 8:16) (Below Threshold)
 why no carbon rear end
  • + 13
 carbon seat stays and aluminum chain stays by design. they say that area is prone to rock strikes. it's the same with their capra's.

P"
  • - 18
flag moth423 (Feb 19, 2015 at 8:29) (Below Threshold)
 those seat stays are all day long! And no linkage to the seat post. seems to me that no matter the size of the stays, its gonna be flexible.
  • + 11
 no mentions of flex in the review from an another bike media source which i shall not name here.
  • + 3
 yep I never noticed any flex
  • - 15
flag peanutbuter (Feb 19, 2015 at 9:10) (Below Threshold)
 yes but carbon is much stiffer so it makes sense to have carbon chainstays
  • - 15
flag moth423 (Feb 19, 2015 at 9:18) (Below Threshold)
 i wont get too far into it, but its only stiffer if you weave it stiffer, and when you get to that point it weighs as much as aluminum. So it's really only carbon because its cheap to make.
  • + 25
 German enginering, carbon, good component list... I think this is full of pure win
  • + 8
 don't give him the time of day look on his profile hes just a hater
  • + 6
 Dude, we are talking about bikes not farms! And you spelled "uber" wrong.
  • + 3
 I was having a good read , thinking to my self wow , I could actually own this , then I read the bit about over 6 Footers being cramped and my little dream/fantasy of owning this burst :/
  • + 4
 Yes big burd! Bet his dad is his brother too, and his girlfriend Wink lol
  • + 24
 Needs a push shock to bring the price back to normal
  • + 3
 don't even need to save for it when one hits PB buy/sell
  • + 6
 Absolute porn bike
  • + 3
 Perfection on wheels.
  • + 5
 There's an XL IN THE WORKS
  • + 1
 Me three!!!!
  • + 3
 Thank you @moth423 it baffles me how no one realizes this. You can engineer carbon fiber to be stiff enough for crazy applications: see americas cup 72, Formula 1, Graham Aggasiz's bike. You can also engineer it to flex under certain conditions without sacrificing strength such as masts in Slalom or wave windsurfing sails. These masts flex like a damn spaghetti noodle under power to help dampen forces translated to the rider
  • + 2
 People only believe what they want to believe. Consumers are the Eskimos and the bikes are the ice cubes. Jump higher ride faster! Only with this bike! Most bicycle studies aren't exactly scientific. But hey, what do I know. I'm just a cynical bike mechanic. Lol. I love this industry.
  • + 1
 @wavetrance: where u have that information from? just rumors?
  • + 88
 This makes it really hard for me to want another V10 for $8k.
  • + 99
 YT's don't come with Louis ENVuiton wheels, so sorry, I prefer to pay 4k more for a VuitTen
  • + 30
 You're right - who am I kidding? I'll be getting another V10.
  • + 22
 get 2
  • + 65
 @vhdh666 you mean, get 2 YT instead of one V10 ?
  • + 47
 more impressive is the fact that the entry level alu one with RS suspension is around £1700, absolute madness when people drop the same amount on ENVE rims
  • + 7
 Still no $USD price given. I'm guessing around $6000usd considering the Tues CF is $5200 on their website. Still good value for carbon but not the half price like many here are implying.
  • + 3
 @StanMarsh
"€3999 (North America and Oceania TBD)"
edit : it's said TBD but doing the conversion its something like 4500$ and its the same price on their web site
  • + 4
 $5200 is for the pro.
  • + 24
 I like the perspective it gives when looking at V10 or Demo S-Works. You can have all arguments in the world for those super bikes and they all deflate pinched with YT price. So... here it is boutique btches - the old truth of: there's always that guy that will do it cheaper. BTW Canyon - learn how to make fun geo and good looking bikes for even less money than yours... hahahahahahha Big Grin I like to watch the world burning!
  • + 3
 @zede it will be well more than $4500 as the Pro Alu is $5200usd on their website. It is not a straight conversion Euro to USD. There are added costs for N. American buyers
  • + 0
 SRC is right, they have prices up on their website $5200 for the Pro, 4600 for the comp. This implies a 1.3 USD/EUR exchange rate, which is a serious premium right now. It's still a good deal - I dont know where else you'll get that kind of build on a new bike for $5200, but not nearly as good of a deal as it is in europe. Given the current FX rate of 1.14, you'd save $640 buying it in europe on the pro.
  • + 1
 @StanMarsh
Yeah I didn't notice that I compare with the price of the cheapest CF version.
there is a difference of something like 500$ for shipping I think
  • + 3
 In europe the Comp is just 200€ more expensive than the cheapest carbon frame (evil undead) out there. The cheapest carbon complete dh-bicycle is almost double (around 6k).
  • + 2
 Haven't seen the weight of this one, but if the Capra is any indication, then this bike is probably more comparable to the $5700 V10 C than the $8800 V10 CC in terms of weight. Not that this is a bad deal, but I don't think it's quite fair to compare it to the V10 CC.
  • + 0
 Just put some "cheap" carbon rims on it and make people go bb b b b b but bbb b b b bu V10 Enve is more legit than that, ee e e e it's from e e b bette, it is definitely from better carbon!... yhm yea off course it is! But you are still one Capra short! hahahahaha!
  • - 11
flag vhdh666 (Feb 19, 2015 at 10:12) (Below Threshold)
 In my opinion, you cannot compare YT Tues to SC V10, because one is an internet selling bike company (focusing on high volume and low prices) and the other is a boutique brand (focusing on innovation, sexiness and higher prices).
  • + 14
 YT is sexy, SantaCruz is sexy as long as you have either a die hard hipster taste, or your creativity takes you no further than murdered black. Also Santa Cruz has little showrooms, in many cases you order their bikes via garage located single person companies... I don't get it. And both bikes are made in similar conditions. If we talked Demo S-Works, from Spesh or Session 9.9 from Trek, companies which invest lots in showrooms where you have plenty of test bikes and sponsors a huge range of atheletes in all disciplines of MTB (Syndicate is not really comparable to Spesh or Trek "fleet") So sorry... SC has some homework to do, you can kick your graphic designer and his supervisor in their arses in the first place.

Slay the saint cows, slay them! Chop their heads off and bathe in their blood hahahaha! Young Talents FTW!
  • + 5
 In NZ the YT bikes are pretty close (~few hundred in it) in price to most of the Giants with similar specs. For example the capra CF comp has almost exactly the same build kit as a giant reign 1 and the reign is $5940 NZD vs the capras 5599 NZD. The glory 1 has an equivalent spec and the fork can be upgraded to match for $4300 vs the Tues AL comp for $4600. And you can walk into a shop and ride home on the giant without waiting a few weeks or months.
  • + 2
 Well, interesting to know but you must admit there are a very few import rate phenomenons in the world like you guys and Australia Big Grin
  • + 1
 The Glory is the only other bike you can get new for similar price as this in NZ though (Glory 1 is about $3900NZD, and a few hundred to upgrade fork). The Kona's, Lapierre's, Spec's, Banshee's, Turner's, Scott's, Mondraker's, Trek's and Transition's that flood our market are either priced well higher, or have a much lower spec (for reference, $1 NZD = $0.75 USD, so pans out to be $3500USD for AL Comp, about $300USD cheaper than they get it in the US...)
  • + 5
 SC is a wholesale bike company and YT is a direct to consumer bike company.. Huge difference in model and that alters the price. Waki has his hookup with his garage buddy, but 90% of SC's bikes are sold through dealers - either your LBS or Backcountry.com or the like.

The price has to do with the model of business not the company... SC, Spesh, Trek, have make money for their dealers. If a YT bike works for you and you have the skill set to put it together and do your own maintenance then hell yeah its sweet (Please make an XL!!!), but if you want the service of an LBS and what not you will have to pay the wholesaler markup.

Direct to consumer is great for the industry and provides people with more options so if YT can deliver in that model successfully (talking US here) we will all get better value out of all of our bikes and parts.
  • + 3
 ymmm dhx42, I may be unlucky but both Swedish and Polish OFFICIAL DEALERS of Santa Cruz Bicycles sell from "garage", and I've been contacted by similar guy from Spain... I don't care what's their business model, all I know is that I had to wait 3 months for my first frame and 2 weeks for the other, and that other frame came in half of a month only because SC was throwing 26ers out of the boat as if they contained cholera, so they were giving them to their dealers for pennies, so the dealer bought them in large numbers, this one time he had stock in his garage. Otherwise I'd have to wait 2-3 months as he takes orders at SC, based on orders he gets from potential clients. As much as both guys are awesome (Swedish and Polish dealers) they are an arguably necessary link... So whatever is their model, everything happens just as with YT over here.
  • + 2
 Word. My bad, I was talking more US/NA. See your point there in your next of the woods. The model is much more understandable here than where you live.
  • + 3
 @dhx42, you'd think YT would make a massive frame aye? Kelly McGarry is like 6ft6 or something!
  • + 3
 Yeah I am 6'3" so hopefully soon...
  • + 2
 So I can add this BOS equipped Tues CF to the Capra CF I've already ordered and it will come in at approx 5700 GBP about the same as a Bronson! Sizing doesn't seem too bad to me now it's been made it a bit longer.
  • - 1
 2015 V10 Carbon = 5600
  • + 8
 For all the people bitching about the price of the SC when compared to this bike: Compare YT Capra owner's threads and the SC Nomad 3 owners threads on any mtb forum. Two recently released bikes aimed at the same market for vastly different prices.

Capra: Excitement, then annoyance at delays, then a few came up broken, then complaints about fit and finish, then the stock wheelset had heaps of problems, more cracked frames, redesigned dropouts, old ones still being supplied, Then more delays. people waiting for weeks and weeks to get replacements sent from europe.

Nomad: Excitement, then everyone started getting their bikes, and then full-on stoke from release date until present. I think a few people had to chase some threads in their frames because of paint overspray...

YT make good, well-priced bikes. But there's a reason SC bikes cost more than YTs. If you're okay with taking a bit more risk then get the YT. If you're prepared to pay more for less risk and less downtime and stuffing about, and many people are, then SC is a pretty good bet.
  • + 3
 Just to be clear.. I was not bitching about the price of the new V10, I was applauding it.. my new 2015 V10 C is currently being built by my lbs and and will prob be just barely over the price of the new YT... I def. think the new tues c is sickkk as hell to look at but I'm weary about investing in such a new company. Maybe I'm wrong, maybe its an awesome bike, but Im def going to stick with the Santa Cruz team who's been putting bikes on top podiums around the world for uhh decades.
  • + 3
 It wasn't aimed at you. Yeah, they've got a solid DH team and they know carbon a lot better than most in the industry.
  • + 3
 I could not agree more.
  • - 5
flag Multivac (Feb 19, 2015 at 18:54) (Below Threshold)
 ArgAde I can't rep you enough for that comment. YT is a great value because they make low quality frames, its as simple as that. So get a YT with a nice build kit, ride the frame until it snaps (shouldn't be long), and replace said frame with a Santa Cruz.
  • + 4
 @Multivac I sure hope you have some references for your claim that YT frames are low quality... I'm sure the current champ of Rampage would argue otherwise...
  • + 2
 Have you seen the Capra thread? It's riddled with QC issues. Paint chipping, frame cracks, they had to redesign the chainstay derailleur dropout mount because there were so many failures.
  • + 7
 with the mentality lacondeguy had going into rampage, he would have won riding a scwhinn.
  • + 6
 Never, never, never buy anything from the first production run. Bikes, cars, phones, planes does not matter. Wait a year or two and get a much better product.
  • + 4
 YT has problems with the first batch of their carbon frames which was expected, but in less than two years this will be solved. Can V10, Sworks Demo or Session 9.9 go down in price by then? I don't think so
  • + 4
 The problems with the capra were solved long ago and they weren't big. Derailleur dropout got redesigned and there were to fatal frame cracks I know of only paint cracks between ISCG-adaptor from alloy and carbon coating of the bottom bracket.
  • + 1
 To the Kiwis how do you compare the most common bike company by far in your country and Australia to something that is cheaper by hundreds of dollars from a company that is owner operated? Its like comparing Toyota to Henessey but getting a Venom for less than an LFA. The only reason I have ever owned a Giant was because it was good bang for buck and readily available.
  • + 1
 @choppertank3e let's not forget that the Giant does actually make good bikes, but I think you missed my point. I was just saying that the YT was great value, and better bang for buck than the current best bang for buck, the Glory 1,
  • + 49
 Direct sales can only do one thing. It will drive the other brands pricing down... when I say other brands I'm mostly looking at two. The direct model just crushes the competition and quite honestly, for the aggro trail/dh market most don't need a bike shop to assemble. It's a no brainer- this is a bargain. This can only be a good thing for the consumer whether you buy a YT or not.
  • + 31
 The smart bike shops wont turn their nose up at these coming through the door either - they will kindly offer to build and maintain them for a reasonable fee. Doing otherwise is a huge turn off and just poor business.
  • + 20
 I've never heard of a shop that wouldn't work on any kind of bike that rolls through the doors, at least anywhere I've lived. Does this actually happen in places like the States?
  • + 8
 I rarely go into a bike shop these days I have to admit. I won't comment specifically because a lot of my friends work for shops and or have good relations with them. I do as well... but yea some folks around here and it includes bike shops have an attitude that does not serve them well. I suspect it is very much an American and possibly Connecticut thing lol. Canadians I've met are very nice and down to earth people. Smile
  • + 6
 I've gotten grief from employees in all sorts of sports because i bought something somewhere else, and have had the exact opposite where someone referred me to the competition because they didn't have what i needed. It all boils down to people.

Basic wrenching is fairly simple but your average newb doesn't know how to setup a derailleur (i don't), and don't have the proper tools for installing a BB or headset cup. I still need a shop for certain things.
  • + 3
 you're not alone, darkstar. been to plenty of shops who do that. i think service is the real future of the ibd/lbs. why lose a potential customer just cuz you didnt make the initial sale?!
  • + 25
 DS63 is correct. For bike shops, moving those entry level bikes for basic riding around will always be necessary, but the days of going to the LBS to shell out even $2k for a new ride are numbered. It'll all be online. The LBS will essentially be a service center. And IMO, they all better start getting really good at suspension rebuilds and turnarounds. There's a big market for that and having to send your fork off for a week or two is bullshit.

And yes, there still is, in many shops, a bit of negativity shown towards online purchasing. The fact is the LBS cannot compete there is such a huge gap now between direct online pricing and LBS retail pricing that the LBS purchase can rarely be justified.

AND, the killer for me, there is nothing special about any of the "service" I've received from several LBS's in my area. In fact, quite the contrary.
  • - 1
 I'm pretty certain most LBS couldn't operate on profits from their service department. I am constantly amazed at how little shops charge when i get service done, it's usually in the 20-30 dollar range. Online sales of parts and bikes is certainly making it a less profitable business to be in.
  • + 4
 Turnaround time and suspension rebuilds are a great idea. As a skilled mechanic I'd even pay for rebuilds for convenience.
  • + 3
 In germany the rise of the direct sellers caused biiig controversies expecially with YT. There are even crazy conspiracy theories about them. I heard that some dealers refused to service them but I think that's not the majority.
  • - 1
 Please tell us some conspiracy theories tabletop84! Laugh is good for everybody!
  • + 5
 illuminati, waki.
  • + 1
 Isn't ENVEs logo indicating that it is them being illuminati, so that company like YT should be their greatest enemy? Is YT from Opus Dei then?
  • + 2
 i guess the reckoning is here in terms of low prices vs buy local. going to be an interesting few years... who will go direct next?
I like my LBS, but do I need to pay $8k when I can have something roughly equivalent for $5k? I'd pay a bit of a premium to support local and to be able to see it, but not 60% more...
  • + 1
 Shops would be foolish not to service these. Given the margins on bike sales, the margins on repairs are far greater, anyway. Most shops don't put nearly enough focus on the repair side of the business, focusing solely on selling new whips, while the guys in the back are working with old, worn out, and sometimes broken tools in often cramped service areas. Maybe greater competition via direct sales would change that mind set. At least, that was the case with the shops I worked at, and most that I've stopped into.
  • + 2
 People will still need to replace components, tires etc. An enterprising mechanic could open their own shop in a garage sized space. Performing maintenance/tune ups and selling parts.

Less overhead if your not selling completes
  • + 2
 i'm interested in seeing how distributors respond to this business model in bikes. they cant be fans of direct sales obviously.
  • + 4
 what about sales reps? they should be nervous too.
  • + 5
 Waki! There are times when I scroll down just to see if you are commenting. It makes for a good laugh and an interesting read. Skål på dig!!!
  • + 4
 Talking about prices in LBS vs online - got an experience I can share. I'm building up a Yeti frame this Spring (ordered it in the US) and I've made an excel file with all the prices that I found online, and I did do my research. I printed that list and took it to my LBS and asked them if they can match those prices. Lo and behold, they can, especially since it'll be quite a bunch of parts. And I'll need their help anyway with wheel lacing, headset press and fork steerer cut. So yeah, go ahead and support your LBS.
  • + 2
 Oh and one more thing from my bike wrenching days - we never turned anyone away, doesn't matter what brand of bike they dragged in, unless of course we had no tools/parts/expertise to work on them. I can't believe shops would do any of that.
  • + 2
 That's awesome. I'm sure it's not an ideal sale for a shop, but at least you gave them an opportunity to be part of transactions that they wouldn't be otherwise. Great idea, I might copy you on that one day as I'm no mechanic.
  • + 3
 It all depends on a shop and country you are in. Poland is bloody cheap, you'd have to be a total loser to buy stuff from CRC if you live in PL. On the other side of the coin we have Scandinavia. Some companies like Shimano or Schwalbe treat Scandinavians like rich, dumb and naive people. My friend works in a shop here and always buys tyres from bikecomponents.de because Germans sell them cheaper incl. shipping than he gets them to the shop before any mark up. They sell Shimano components with only 5% mark up! The Swedish MSRP for Schwalbe tyres is like 65€ for Hans Dampf Evo SS. Ice Spiker Pro costs the ball breaking 160€!
  • + 3
 My LBS only does servicing and doesn't sell any parts. They encourage you to but components online and have them fit the parts and service your bike. They are so busy you have to book a slot 2 weeks in advance and they only need a very small workshop as they dont need tons of space to sell bikes and components. Online sales with service only shops are the future.
  • + 1
 I think this is why the mobile mechanic services are so popular these days.
  • + 26
 Finally no one is complaining about a price conspiracy.
  • + 10
 It's still early
  • + 1
 there are many conspiracy theories revolving around YT...
  • + 16
 They're actually giant lizard aliens here to wreak havoc in the bike industry.
  • + 22
 I don't ride DH anymore, I'm selling my Carbon Wilson. Will probably still buy one of these - Damn you marketing!
  • + 1
 No way keep the Wilson !!!!!!
  • + 22
 I can't be the only one who is mesmerized by the rotating stop motion of the bike rotating.
  • + 4
 I love the red and black color finish. Smile
  • + 1
 Id agree with that, but they are both extremely satisfying to look at
  • + 19
 I'm very pleased to hear they are bringing an XL version out - as soon as that happens I am sending them money.

I have a large YT Wicked Pro - but at 6'3" it's just not quite big enough for me.

Hurry up with the XL sizes guys - cold hard cash waiting
  • + 1
 Where did you hear this? XL would suit me down to the ground
  • + 14
 Really easy to explain: No dealer margin, no sales reps and probably very low overheads because YT is a small, streamlined operation, that's why it can be half the price of the competition.

...which sucks because i am trying to sell my old DH bike but won't get any money for it...
  • + 8
 If you have had it for a while just ride that shit till it dies or get a new frame and swap parts. I buy my bikes with the intent of riding them to the ground cuz as soon as a few scratches get on the frame the value of the bike is next to nothing at least to the seller.
  • + 3
 Yeah, i usually would but i moved and in my humble opinion there is nothing around worth bringing 8 inches of travel along for the ride...

Anyway i don't really blame YT for the fact that no one wants to drop a buck on a used bike... that was more a try for hidden advertisement of my own cause as my DH bike is posted for sale here on PBWink
  • + 2
 Ah true yeah that is a good reason to sell then. I am kinda in the same boat, no bike parks and only a few chances to get any shuttling in so dare i say it, i "enduro" a lot.
  • + 1
 same here. cant say it would be fun though...
  • + 1
 Basically they're the Aldi's food marts of bicycles.
  • + 1
 nope, they don't have a mart which results in lower cost = cheaper bikes
  • + 15
 Throwing my wallet at my screen and nothing is happening.
  • + 13
 I don't even ride DH and I need that in my life
  • + 8
 I have ordered at YT their aluminium model Tues Al Comp on 31st of January 2015. It took them almost 2 weeks to send me the invoice. Now it is more than a week from the date of my payment and there is no sign of approx. delivery date despite they declare in confirmation email that Tues AL Comp in medium size is in stock.

What I want to say - this is my third order of a bike in 5 years time and I have to say that communication of YT is probably one of the weakest so far.

I hope Mr. CEO of YT will read lines above. Thx and sorry for this long post ;-)
  • + 1
 Dude this happened to one of my friends when he ordered his YT capra, money was taken but no confirmation of anything then two weeks after he payed it turned up on his door! Hopefully you are just as lucky and enjoy the new steed!
  • + 1
 Okay :-) anyway it's just not the right way how to communicate with first time buyer at YT ... I hope it will turn up on my door soon ;-) or there is another way - cancel order, get money back and buy something else ... more friendly, I mean in the way of communication ...
  • + 5
 It's already here :-)))))
  • + 0
 I tried to buy a morewood makulu rs last summer and the bike shop gave me a nukeproof pulse pro for the same price (Singletrack bikes). Morewood were out of forks and didnt let the shop know untill a week after the expected delivery date morewood gave them which still left the ship time from south africa (3 weeks). Switched to nukeproof and had my bike within a few days ish, just in time for 2 weeks of bikeing in the alps. Didnt pay anything extra and this wasnt the next most expensive bike but it did have an equal or better component spec.

I wonder if YT will ever give upgrades so people dont have to wait as long.
  • + 2
 Dude, 2 or 3 weeks isnt long, im looking at buying a cube enduro bike this weekend and the expected delivery is almost 4 months!
  • + 1
 If someone says that it is in stock, then it is in stock :-) there is nothing between. Anyway the delivery from Germany to Slovakia was fast.

Btw on their website the order status is: "Your order has not been processed yet." Smile ))
  • + 8
 ER-MAGERD KERBEN FAIBER!!!!!!!!!!! I guess I know where I'm going to buy bikes to replace the bikes I replaced my bikes with. When I replace my bikes.
  • + 9
 Yes PB thanks for doing a YT bike review
  • + 2
 And sensus grips! Zink is a genius, an animal and a genius.
  • + 8
 WOW. Please make this bike big enough to fit me (I'm 6'4"). Otherwise, WOW.
  • + 0
 Well, the sizing of the large looks to be spot on for 5'10-6'2. Tt&reach, especially vs capra.
Great colors too.
  • + 7
 Word is they have an XL in the pipelines, no word on availability tho ...
  • + 7
 $4k for a carbon DH bike in XL. Is this the future?
  • + 1
 Should be more like $4500, but yeap ... I won't say I'm tempted to replace mine, but damn ... this is friggin' tempting Big Grin
  • + 3
 That bike is bonkers but don't forget that once you convert the US price to the CAN dollar, you have to tack on another 20% or so + import duties and taxes, which will put it closer to the vicinity of 6.5 - 7K. I 'really' love YT bikes, just don't love our dollar..... If I was living in the US, I'd definitely pick one up though Smile
  • + 1
 "Word is they have an XL in the pipelines, no word on availability tho ..."
You have a source for that? Like some others, the kid sizes won't cut it for me.
  • + 1
 Well, if they do proper XL sizing in this and the Capra, my wallet is gonna take a hit!
  • + 4
 "To buy the fork alone, direct from BOS, would blow a 2090-Euro hole in your bank account. It's almost illogical how they can offer such value."
That quote makes you wonder when a suspension manufacturer will go direct... the OEM on that BOS is what, probably 800 Euros? Less?
  • + 1
 IMO what BOS has done is much better than direct. The most important thing when buying high end suspension is knowing i am going to be able to have it serviced by someone competent. You can't buy BOS through a million different dealers, but instead only from a dedicated service centre. What would most people do if they sold direct and then there was no service network?
  • + 1
 Funny thing about being serviced by someone competent though. I'm all for all out suspension performance, but I won't buy a product I need to send away for service. I'd not buy a product I can't service myself even, not because I'd think I'll do a better job, but because knowing I can fix that thing no matter when or where I am in a matter of minutes/hours instead of weeks for shipping it is definitely important to me. They'd have to sell forks in pairs to make me even think about sending one away.
  • + 4
 You believe that if you open an AM Bos fork, an OEM Bos fork and an OEM-for YT Bos fork, you'll find the same stuff in there? Think again.. (i'm waiting to get neg propped for ''conspiracy theory'' but that's ok)
  • + 7
 Holy f*cking WANT Batman!
  • + 3
 I must admit YT's products had some questionable QC.
My tues and capra both had QC issues.
And it was pain the a*s to send my bikes back to Germany when i live in Indonesia.
I had to spend my time and money to deal with YT's QC.

IMHO, YT's condition right now is like Evil's in the past.
But, let's look now. The company is slowly but surely correct errors they have done before, and also improve the quality of their products.

Come on....
Let this company grow and see what they got in the future.
If they still make the same mistake and there was no change at all, don't buy from YT.
Nobody wants to fall into the same hole, am i right?
  • + 7
 Can't wait to hear the LBS propaganda on this one.
  • - 8
flag OLTI27 (Feb 19, 2015 at 10:33) (Below Threshold)
 You have debt! you still can't afford it
  • + 7
 they will be sold out for god knows how long
  • + 3
 $4500 USD (@ current conversion rates) for a carbon DH bike with a tits build-out? Just murdered everyone. Wow. I'm not even in the market for a DH bike and now I want to buy this :X
  • + 4
 Not familiar with BOS suspension. How do they compare to Fox, Marzocchi or Rockshox in performance,durability and serviceability?
  • + 15
 Better in absolutely every aspect
  • + 1
 until they break or need servicing. . .
  • + 0
 meh should've specced 380
  • + 6
 My idylle broke (seemed to be an assembly issue) and they where sent all round Europe and back quicker than my mates shock went to Wales and back. Sent my devilles off (4 years old with no problems but over due a service) and they took 2 weeks, ok a little longer but a lot cheaper than other brands service centres and they have a fresh set of decals.
Oh and they blow all other forks out the water when you ride them properly
  • + 3
 I thought they had copied the old BAR F1 team and painted one side different from the other for a minute there! This really does look tasty- and I can still afford to keep my kidneys when I buy one.
  • + 6
 YT is just killing it,
  • + 1
 If you just look at the pure numbers, YT may be a good deal. On the other hand, people want direct, proven and good service, infrastructure and kind of a lifestyle. So I am looking forward how the market will react....reminds me on the typical Android vs Apple debate.
  • + 4
 Guys, don't doubt it, there is a lot of YT bikes in Europe and almost none complains about them.
  • + 2
 Really decent pricing. It's hard to imagine that the Push Industries Elevensix shock retails for about 1/3 the cost of this ENTIRE bike...
  • + 2
 Just found my next dh bike! that green and black is just killer looking! Congrats YT on making one of the most aesthetically pleasing dh bikes out there!!
  • + 2
 this puts giant's new carbon glory to shame as far as specs and prices are concerned. performance? i'll leave that to the rider, haha!
  • + 1
 i have a YT tues 2.0 ltd, with 180mm single crowns on, and its the best bike ive ever ridden. i cant even imagine how amazing this bike would be with less weight, and smoother lines.
  • + 3
 YT 26 frame for Freeriding will be awesome!
  • + 2
 How many people are trying to change their order now? Lol l. So this is where the good colorways went . .
  • + 2
 i would have to spend all day in the car to find a suitable place to ride one of these...and i still want one.
  • + 1
 Great bike, this bike will be great for the consumer, will make other companies have to step up their game to keep up! Great job YT! Amazing bike!
  • + 1
 Those bikes look incredible! Great specs and keen eye for details really make it hard to beat for it's price over the competition. I'd definitely buy one for that price Smile
  • + 1
 That's USD though. Once you do the conversion and add on shipping, taxes and duties, the price goes up quite a bit. Still an awesome bike, but for us in Canada, no longer such a 'killer' deal. That's what kills me about this whole YT 'North American' distribution thing. Unless we have an actual Canadian YT distributor, we sort of get the shaft. Yes, I'm sour about this because I like YT Smile
  • + 3
 No Wednesday, no care!
  • + 1
 The YT tues is actually pronounced 'Tu'es' as in 'you are' not an abreviation of 'Tuesday' .....
  • + 6
 You're right about the pronunciation, but "Tu es!" means "Do it!" in German. Fitting for a DH bike, I'd say.
  • + 3
 Sorry, sense of humor not found, does not compute. Sunday, Tuesday, only 5 more days to go.
  • + 2
 I wish the CF Pro to have the green option too Frown
  • + 2
 Lets hope they offer frame only options.
  • + 1
 Awesome,, high on my list, um BOs and YT whats not to like, great work, never been a better time in bike technology.
  • + 2
 I'm 5'10-11" what would be the ideal YT Tues size for me?
  • + 1
 You should get a medium.
  • + 1
 Cheers guys!
  • + 2
 lol does it change from day to day? i'm 6'0 and the large is a good bit too small for me, but i have a tiny inseam and long upper body. There is more to bike sizing than height.
  • + 1
 I guess manufacturers can only go off averages. Best bet would be to go to a bike shop and try out the different sizes.
  • + 1
 They say the cockpit is a little cramped for riders towering over 6'. What about 6'1"? lol
  • + 2
 This is the most beautiful bike I have ever seen in my life. Hands down.
  • + 1
 Can't explain it but this thing just looks...right. Fast, low and refreshing design. Damn I need a third job!
  • + 1
 interestingly the word 'palatable' is used above where palpable would have been more appropriate.
  • + 2
 yes yes yes yes yes YES YES YES YESSS F*CK YESSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  • + 1
 most bikes are only offering the brands..but YT is different...hmmm..good..i'm now fans of YT...Smile
  • + 2
 why 607mm stack... too bad...wish it was around 580
  • + 2
 You may need to stick with 26 to get that low.
  • + 1
 yeah maybe... actually I'm quite keen to see how lacondeguy rides his new taller bike
  • + 2
 nice touch offering an exploded view of frame,bearings,etc!.
  • + 2
 Wow! Beautiful bike, great job YT my next bike for sure........
  • + 2
 Finally a decent reach on the medium
  • + 1
 10/10 would buy if i hadnt boughten the new glory
  • + 1
 Is it wrong im googling the exchange rate now!!
  • + 1
 Damn, that is such a sexy bike..
  • + 1
 when my 14' Wilson dies, I know bike like I'm going to get.
  • + 1
 Would be awesome if YT will have a world cup dh team..
  • + 1
 Oh my, I'm having a crisis right now
  • + 1
 I'd given up hope of ever seeing a reasonably priced 'good' bike again ...
  • + 1
 looks great! only complaint is no frame-only option.
  • + 2
 1.buy the whole bike 2.sell everything but the frame congrats, nos you have a DH carbon frame and money to spend on anything you want
  • + 2
 if you find a some components you might use on your build, fork or drive train for example, you are already better of financially buying the complete bike for that price...
  • + 2
 Most people just buy the complete bike and sell the components, with the alu bikes that means an almost free frame.
  • + 1
 with the alloy bike was actually thinking of doing it the other way round for the longest time as they came with amazing components (just as this one).

2000euro BOS Idyle Fork
1000euro BOS Void Shock
1000euro Deemax Wheelset

= more than the retail price of the old alloy YT...

Then sell the YT frame and get a Carbon Frame-set form another brand.
  • + 1
 I want it I want it I want it
  • + 1
 WTF!!! *Lists bike, makes Order*
  • + 1
 1kg weight drop on the frame.. really?
  • + 1
 35 ounces or nearly 2 lbs!
  • + 9
 a little over 2 cans of beer or 8 burgers.. that's how i do these conversions since i moved to the states...
  • + 1
 anyone know what YT stands for?
  • + 1
 Bad to the boner... I have a boner
  • + 1
 to do: 1st get the money 2nd get the bike
  • + 1
 answer in wrong place, ignore
  • + 1
 Can anyone tell me the full weight of the CF pro build?
  • + 1
 Any YTtues carbon broken?
  • + 1
 Just wow
  • + 1
 Raffle???
  • - 1
 Demo 8 / Lapierre / Canyon all mixed into one frame.

Looks f*cking amazing!
  • + 1
 ddd
  • - 2
 Great value bikes and they look awesome. Still there really is no need for yet another bloody cloth and glue frame.
  • + 1
 i would rather it be on 26" wheels but wow thats an awesome bike for the money in either version. And i would gladly pay that for an alu version....im not that fussed if its carbon or not.
  • - 3
 Can someone show me where "Oceania" is on a map?
  • + 8
 It's a continent, composed mostly of Australia and NZ, but yeah, Muricah!
  • + 1
 It's actually a "region" that straddles parts of two continents, Asia and Australia where you'll find about as much ocean as you will land. Hence the name. Yeah, Italia! Now that you know where Oceania is, your next step is to go ride the Queenstown, New Zealand bike park. There is life beyond Massachusetts!
  • + 0
 No shit Donk. Not everybody has the cash flow to drop $2k on a plane ticket. And that's Mexico, not Italy. All that Cali smog is catching up to you.
  • + 1
 So your question was just intended to reinforce the assumption that Americans are ignorant? No smog for me. I'm on the coast. How's that snowpack treating you?
  • + 0
 My question was genuine. I don't normally hear Australia, New Zealand, and Asia Pacific referred to as "Oceania". It honestly sounds like a land from Game of Thrones. And that American assumption of ignorance is working fine on its own. Have you ever built a massive snow fort where all your buddies can crawl inside and chill? Its so much fun, you should try it sometime! Oh wait...............
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