First Look: Eminent Release Idler-Equipped Haste 2.0

Mar 1, 2022
by Henry Quinney  

Eminent today release their new enduro bike, the Haste. The bike, which also uses the AFS, or Active Float System, suspension layout you may well recognise the name of from their Onset model, has two versions - an MT or LT, with 140 or 160mm or rear wheel travel respectively, and looks very different to the brand's current offerings. The original Haste, launched in 2018, had 27.5" wheels whereas the new one has 29" wheels.

Not only does this bike have two travel versions but it is also able to be run in a mixed wheeled setup by fitting aftermarket dropouts. These plates will reduce the wheelbase by around 10mm.
Eminent Haste Details

• Wheelsize: 29"
• Rear Travel: 140mm MT / 160mm LT
• Carbon Frame
• 64° head angle
• Sizes: S (coming soon) / M / L / XL
• Chainstay length: 440mm
• Reach: 421, 451, 481, 511mm
• From $5,999 to $9,500 USD
• Two Frame Colours

Some of this might be flying in the face of the last news you may have heard about Eminent, where they filed for Chapter 11 Bankruptcy as it restructured its debts. However, it's great to see the brand in good health and bringing new bikes out in 2022.

Frame Details

Here you can see the changeable linkage plate to swap between MT and LT.

I don't think it's totally unfair to say that it looks far more refined than the Onset. The Haste has an angular, distinctive frame that is more conventional looking and it's relatively feature-laden. To complement the already mentioned dropouts and travel options, there is also a flip-chip at the top shock mount that can change the head angle by half a degree.

The bike uses double-row angular contact bearings at the main pivots. These will aim to help both durability and stiffness. The frame itself is made of unidirectional carbon fiber.

There is a Super Boost 157 rear end and a long insertion depth, which will help give riders more choice with long-drop seatposts. The frames offer 308mm (L & XL) and 288mm (M) of insertion depth.


Thanks to the different linkage and fork, the bikes have slightly different dimensions. For instance, due to the lower front end, the MT has 9mm more reach per size, as well as being a degree steeper in the head and seat tube.

Both bikes feature steep seat tube angles, at 77 and 78 degrees for the models. They're also relatively slack at 64 or 65 degrees in the head tube angle. The bikes use a one-size rear end that has a rear center or 440mm. That said, there will be the option to shorten it by 10mm if you choose to run a smaller rear wheel.

At 643mm for a large LT, the stack on these bikes is quite high. This will no doubt help in fast and rough tracks.

Suspension Design

The bike uses a very distinctive AFS system. This system means the shock floats between two active pivot points. Eminent claim this means the shock can maintain its alignment regardless of lateral forces.

As you can imagine, the more side load being put through a shock then the larger amount of friction there will be at the sliding surface. A telescopic suspension unit undergoing large amounts of flex will not be as sensitive as one that is torsionally stiffer.

The frames also feature an idler wheel to neutralize chain growth as the bike goes through its travel. The 15mm rearward axle path makes this a welcome addition and will help separate drivetrain and suspension forces.

The bike uses a linear, ie. consistent, leverage ratio with the 30% progressivity. This should, especially when combined with that rearward axle, give a platform that will aim to track the ground very well while also being consistent to rider inputs. A ratio that varies more can sometimes be susceptible to wallowing in the mid-stroke, which can hinder performance as well as rider confidence.

Interestingly enough, the bike has a relatively high anti-squat value of 120% at sag. While higher anti-squat numbers normally translate to better pedaling performance it is not always the case. For instance, going far about 100% can mean that as the suspension extends under acceleration it's actually attempting to lift the mass of the rider and will bob, albeit while maintaining a higher rider height. That's not to say this will be the case with the Haste - don’t forget about that idler pulley - but rather it's interesting, and for my money, a very good thing, to see bike brands experimenting.

Similarly, the bikes use a very low 30% anti-rise value. This will mean that the bike will not squat when undergoing braking. This will mean the wheel will act independently of braking forces and will be driving itself into the ground under braking, instead of letting the bike sink into its stroke. Whether or not this is a good thing is very hard to say as it often comes down to a rider's personal preference and riding style. However, again, it's great to see Eminent really go their own way with this, even if it may not suit people who want a bike that conserves its geometry under heavy braking loads.

Models and Pricing
The MT in Forest/Mint
The LT in Gray/Red

All Haste models come equipped with Shimano Drivetrains, Fox Suspension, and Crank Brothers wheels. There will be three main build options; Comp: $5,999, Advanced: $7,500, and Pro: $9,500. Each will be available in a choice between two colorways.


  • 62 3
 Not sure I would consider the company is in good health if they last filed for Chapter 11, bankruptcy.
  • 33 1
 I've yet to see one on the trails or at the bike park
  • 56 3
 Their Eminent demise probably explains their Haste decision to jump on the idler bandwagon.
  • 14 4
 @stumphumper92: because you aren’t in California. When I used to live to CA I saw plenty at snow summit, mammoth, and skypark. Plenty as in enough people bought the frame. Especially compared to Ellsworth, where I see no one own their frame.
  • 9 1
 @stumphumper92: I met a kid who had an Onset, he said the first time he hit his bash guard on a rock it tore all of the mounting holes in the ISCG tabs off!
  • 5 4
 @unrooted: n=1
  • 7 0
 @kroozctrl: But I am in California lol I'm sure they're out there I am just saying I personally have not seen one
  • 25 0
 @kroozctrl: using ellsworth as a benchmark is a flawed analysis.
  • 3 22
flag kroozctrl (Mar 1, 2022 at 8:50) (Below Threshold)
 @yakimonti: not really. Because if you knew anything about the industry you would understand both brands are located in SoCal. There for, your statement doesn’t hold any value.
  • 2 16
flag kroozctrl (Mar 1, 2022 at 8:59) (Below Threshold)
 @stumphumper92: there are hundreds of different frame brands SoCal you have most prevalent: intense, Santa Cruz. and specialized. All other brands get lost in the noise. I mean, if your screen name means anything, I assume you ride nothing but specialized frames.

Just chill out at the top of party wave. And watch the bikes roll in. You’ll see a bunch of different frames. Then if you bump into them after muscle beach, then check it out
  • 40 0
 @kroozctrl: No I am just sexually attracted to trees - my screen name has nothing to do with bikes
  • 1 0
 @kroozctrl: I see them around as well, but their import numbers are going to be low and they will certainly be one of the rarer bikes to see out on the trail.
  • 7 0
 @kroozctrl: I hear lots of riders in Nebraska buy Ellsworths, due to not much of a chance of being seen on one in public.
  • 18 0
 Their first round of bikes were thoroughly beaten with an ugly stick before being released to the public. This bike on the other hand looks good and has thoughtful details like travel adjust, bottle mounts, reasonable pricing for what you get (all bikes are over priced). Nice work, I look forward to seeing one on the trail.
  • 11 0
 Kudos to Eminent for doing things different, both in appearance and suspension design. Their first model had some obvious shortcomings with geometry and dropper compatibility if I remember correctly. Geo numbers look great and that first picture makes the bike look really chunky and interesting. I'd like to see some ride reviews to learn more about how that suspension system rides and how the different travel versions compare.
  • 20 7
 merely on aesthetics...... its a no from me.
  • 7 9
 The head tube doesn't look bad, but highlighting the back of the swingarm with bright paint just highlights the fact that it has an ugly ass looking rear derailleur on it.
  • 1 1
  • 7 0
 The "Orange" of California.
  • 9 0
 Like a Mondraker humped an Ibis
  • 2 0
 @sewer-rat: don’t forget Lawwill
  • 1 0
 it's 10,000 times better looking then their first releases...?
  • 9 0
 I've talked to a few people who've had the older Eminents and they all raved about the suspension performance so I'm kind of assuming these guys know what they're doing. They've made them look sharper too. I'd demo one.
  • 12 7
 The photo used to highlight the bike as the guy rips through the berm features some awful body position. If your test riders look like they suck, your bike will probably suck to.
  • 4 0
 @nouseforaname: Is it just me or does the bike/rider looked photoshopped into the rock garden pic? Might just be an oversharpened image, but it just looks off. Like where is the rider actually going?
  • 8 0
 @nouseforaname: Also looks like he's wearing sneakers on clipless pedals
  • 5 1
 @Lokirides: He's going to wash out his front wheel is where he's going, or under steer out of the 'berm'. Anyway, not that I'm a wonderful rider or anything. but like how is that guy supposed to know how a good bike should ride? Looking forward to finding out he is a superstar enduro racer or something.
  • 1 0
 @nouseforaname: I suspect he's just photo talent.
  • 1 1
 @tuckfordouble: new etnies clipless i think.
  • 1 0
 @tuckfordouble: those are spd shoes. They are called the Adidas Velosamba.
  • 1 1
 @Superboost: well who the f*ck knew?
  • 1 1
 @nouseforaname: So if you are not a wonderful rider, does your bike suck to ?
  • 8 1
 Yeah, it's ugly and I'd never buy one but I'm mostly appalled by the rider's cornering technique in the third pic. "Elbows Out" only works if your center of gravity isn't hovering over your rear tire.
  • 3 0
 Yeah I saw that too. Almost sitting on the back tire in a flat corner. Well...
  • 2 0
 10/10 great riding photos
  • 2 0
 @TEAM-ROBOT: No wheelie out of the corner = no good.
  • 6 0
 Jebus H - looks baller, dunno what the whining is about.

I just scored a (used) Eminent Onset MT to test out, moving over / comparing to a YT Capra and am almost instantly blown away by climbing ease, descending prowess, and overall feel of the bike - makes my Capra kinda feel like a schoolbus now.

Can't speak to durability yet. Pulling cables through routed housing is a dream - didn't fight at all. Overall a very easy build.

Via Strava times, I easily dropped climb-times by about 20% and dropped 10-30 seconds on DH segments from 1, 3 and 10 min drops (attempting full speed) and this was just the first few rides and these times are consistent on 2 devices.

The Capra's gonna get a 180/190 dual-crown fork & become a park bike, and the Eminent has easily become my enduro trail beast - its obviously far more capable than Capra for climbing and way more fun & faster down.

Anyway, for all the bitching about this bike, which none of you have ridden - and I get the boutique pricing (mine was used - $1400 w/ a Cane Creek DB coil shock, dropper post, and 9.5-of-10 stars condition 2020 carbon frame) - it seems like this is all armchair / Wizard of Oz commentary and you don't have any actual basis for your opinions (except for saying its ugly - totally your opinion). Its funny, witty, sharp, speculative - and from what I can see w/ the Onset MT - I'll wager you're wrong.

Did I mention this rig looks baller? Looks f*cking baller.
  • 6 3
 Uhm, is nobody else going to comment on the flat pedal shoes with clipless pedals.... LOLOLOL! On a serious note, it's a bummer that it looks like they removed their floating brake adapter, from previous models. I thought that was a cool touch on their previous bikes, and an almost forgotten technology.
  • 4 1
 Those actually look like the clipless Sambas they released a little while back.
  • 2 0
 @islandforlife: plustiresaintdead: I stand corrected! Thank you. Smile
  • 9 2
 Loose yourself
  • 9 4
 Dang, wish I could use this for Enduro- too bad idlers aren't meant for that.
  • 5 3
 I think you're worrying too much about it.
  • 3 0
 @Ajorda: Its a joke/reference to comments made by Martin Maes, and then blown out of proportion by the pb comment section
  • 1 0
 @hamncheez: I see. Must have missed that.
  • 2 0
 "by fitting aftermarket dropouts"

not sure that's the right terminology. "Aftermarket" almost always refers to replacement or upgrade parts not made by the OEM (or customized by/for the OEM). It's not just anything that can be added or changed later on. Pretty sure these changeable dropouts are more like ordering a different seat-stay from GG to change the bike (custom, but OEM), not like getting a Cascade Components link for a Yeti, etc (aftermarket).
  • 5 0
 I am so glad I managed to buy a bike before the idler mania
  • 3 0
 The budget v baller series I doubt Pinkbike has the guts to air... One rider on a $10k build, another on a $3k build.

I'll bet it is not a significant difference
  • 1 0
 "...driving itself into the ground under braking..." could you say it any weirder? You're trying to say that the braking forces do not interfere with the suspension action. That is a good thing but not every rider can notice it.
  • 3 0
 i really wish brands with odd suspension designs would show at least one picture from the non drive side so we can see wtf is going there
  • 1 0
 That is a LOT of bearings/bushings. My Stumpy has 10* bearings and 1 bushing**, and that's kind of a lot... But this looks to have at least 14 bearings and 2 bushings (and 1 more single bearing for the idler). Is the floating shock mount truly worth all that extra?

*(12, actually: the dropout pivot gets a double row, but we'll treat it as one for sake of comparison, because the Haste could also have double rows that we can't see).

**(2 of those bearings do the job of 1 of the shock bushings, the lower shock eye is rigidly mounted in the yoke)
  • 4 1
 Soon to be the only bikes that wind up on-sale and available on Jenson via banner ads!
  • 3 0
 Everyone out here complaining the pivot is too expensive but then this pops up and has a rhythm 36 at the same price…
  • 6 1
 Looks like a Mondraker
  • 2 0
 This is the first bike I've seen with Crankbros Synthesis wheels stock. Its really got a mix of high and low end parts on the highest spec build.
  • 4 1
 Looks like the ugly sister of a Mondraker Foxy who put on too much weight over the winter.
  • 1 0
 ngl I rode an LT last year and it was genuinely one of the worst bikes I have ever ridden, but this seems to be a huge move n the right direction for them, solid geo, mid pivot idler design, nice work eminent
  • 3 0
 Great colors says nobody ...
  • 3 0
 $6k for a comp build... wow.
  • 1 0
 The riding model makes some funny faces. Also, I thought I read on here they went out of business?
  • 2 0
 Phuque this Gimme a nice hard tail
  • 2 0
 Idler, I barely know her!
  • 2 0
 This company is the new Ellsworth
  • 1 0
 Looks nice but i like weird bikes anyway, previously owned a Haste and now own a Bold Unplugged.
  • 2 0
 The bike looks like a Mondraker Foxy made love to a 1996 DH bike.
  • 1 0
 Soooo size S (430 reach) has the same chainstays as XL (520) - 440.
That's just lazy... or cheap. Or both.
  • 10 9
 Nicely done! Bike looks amazing.
  • 1 0
 Can someone please stop that idler trend?!
  • 1 0
 Idlers... so hot right now.
  • 1 0
 Whoa..that thing is beefy!
  • 1 0
 I’m here for the comments that are below the threshold
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  • 1 0
 the highest build
  • 1 1
 Not sure how they are still around lol
  • 1 0
 marshall bruce mathers.
  • 1 1
 bro i just bought one
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