First Look: Fox's New 36, 38, & 40 Forks - Pond Beaver 2020

Apr 7, 2020
by Mike Levy  
If you saw Greg Williamson's Commencal Supreme downhill bike and all of its shiny Fox suspension bits on the homepage a week ago, you'll already know that Fox has been working on some new stuff. Turns out they've been working on a lot of new stuff: For 2021, there are fresh 36 and 40 forks, as well as the all-new 38 that broke cover last year. All three come with a long list of new features, including redesigned lowers and the addition of Fox's Variable Valve Control system to the compression damper. Details below.


The 36

When does it become an all-new fork? The 36 gets new lowers and four damper options, including an updated version of the GRIP2 unit employing their Variable Valve Control compression system. There's also the FIT4 damper that offers on-the-fly, three-mode adjustment, or technophiles can get excited about the model equipped with Fox's terrain-reading Live Valve system. And with the burlier 38 being added to the lineup for 2021 and offering 160mm to 180mm, Fox has focused the 36 down to offer either 150mm or 160mm of travel.


Details

• Intended use: Trail / all-mountain / enduro
• Travel: 150mm, 160mm
• Wheel size: 27.5" or 29"
• Spring: EVOL air spring
• Damper: GRIP2 w/ VVC, GRIP2, FIT4, Live Valve
• All-new chassis
• Offset: 37mm, 44mm, 51mm
• Stanchions: 36mm
• Floating QR thru-axle
• Factory, Performance Elite, E-Bike models
• Weight: 1,965-grams (lightest option)
• MSRP: $849 - $1,099 USD
• More info: www.ridefox.com


The 40

There's also an updated 40 downhill fork in the catalog that covers both wheel sizes, with the 49 name being retired.

The fresh 40's list of changes mirrors the 36, with an all-new chassis that incorporates a floating thru-axle, the fart buttons to release built-up pressure, and those channels that are said to increase air volume and lubrication. The shape of the arch is similar to the 36, too, with Fox saying they've created more clearance around the head tube for short offset forks. I can't recall that ever being an issue, but there are definitely some e-bikes out there with strangely swollen head tubes shapes.

Internally, the GRIP2 damper gets that same VVC update to its compression side as the 36 and 38, and there's also an updated EVOL air spring.

Details

• Intended use: Downhill
• Travel: 203mm
• Wheel size: 27.5" or 29"
• Spring: Updated EVOL air spring
• Damper: GRIP2 w/ VCC, GRIP
• All-new chassis
• Offset: 48mm, 52mm, 56mm
• Stanchions: 40mm
• Floating bolt-on thru-axle
• Weight: 2,816-grams
• MSRP: $1,749 USD



The 38

Can 2mm make all that much difference? Apparently so, but there's more to the all-new 38 than just a couple of millimeters. Fox's new long-travel single-crown fork offers between 160mm and 180mm of travel, and it has a hidden trick up its sleeve: An elliptical inner shape to its steerer tube that's said to increase stiffness without adding too much weight. It's only employed on the 38, but I bet we'll see it on the 36 in the future as well.

The fork's lowers also get the same fart buttons, new arch design, floating quick-release thru-axle, and channels as the 36 and 40. Damper options include the updated GRIP2 with their Variable Valve Control compression system, the standard GRIP damper, or the three-position FIT4 that gives you on-the-fly adjustments.

Details

• Intended use: all-mountain / enduro
• Travel: 160mm, 180mm
• Wheel size: 27.5" or 29"
• Spring: EVOL air spring
• Damper: GRIP2 w/ VVC, FIT4, GRIP
• All-new chassis
• Offset: 37mm, 44mm, 51mm
• Stanchions: 38mm
• Floating QR thru-axle
• Factory, Performance Elite, Performance, e-bike models
• Weight: 2,180-grams (lightest option)
• MSRP: $949 - $1,199 USD
• More info: www.ridefox.com


Floating axle

For your suspension fork to slide up and down as smoothly as possible, its legs must be in near-perfect alignment. If the stanchions or lowers aren't essentially parallel, the fork will bind slightly and not feel as active and smooth as it should. Fork manufacturers put a ton of effort into making sure both components are arrow straight, but things can't be perfect all the time, especially when there are so many different hub options out there. That's where Fox says that their new floating axle system, used on the 36, 38, and 40 forks, comes into play.


Fox says that their floating axle ensures perfect leg alignment for minimum friction.


While not the first floating axle out there, Fox's idea is the sound: ''Match the exact width of the fork’s wheel mounting surface precisely to the front hub flange spacing.'' Doing that, they claim, ensures perfect chassis alignment to lessen friction. The fewer the frictions, the smoother it is. The stock floating axle comes with a quick-release lever and is factory pre-set, so you shouldn't ever have to mess around with it, or you can get the lighter bolt-on Kabolt-X that also floats.



Lower leg channels

Did you know that your fork (kind of) has more than one air spring? There's the normal one that you thread a shock pump onto, but there's also the air-filled space between your lowers and upper tubes. This area usually (hopefully) has some lube oil in it and, just like your real air spring, decreases in volume as your fork goes into its travel. Fox says that this can have "the unintended consequence of preventing full travel from being achieved,'' which is where these volume-increase channels come in.

By creating more volume in the lowers, the trapped air won't have as much of an effect on the spring rate, claims Fox. On top of that, the channels should let the lube oil move around and be more effective. You'll see these on the 36, 38, and 40 forks.


Those buttons on the backside of the legs let you release built-up air pressure, and the raised channel they sit in allows lube oil to circulate better.


Air bleed buttons

You might have spotted these little guys on the backside of a Fox 40 or 49, and now they've come to the 36 and 38 as well. Remember how we were just talking about air pressure trapped between the lowers and upper tubes messing with your scientifically calculated spring rate? That pressure can build up over time and, instead of sliding the pointy end of a zip-tie down past your seals, these pressure-relief valves release it in a split second.

It's like being able to fart at the push of a button. The fart buttons only come on the Factory-level forks, not the Performance series, but Fox sells them separately and, because the lowers are the same, they bolt right on.


Fox has brought their Variable Valve Control system to the 36's compression damping.


Updated GRIP2 damper

We jumped head-first into the GRIP2 damper's inner workings way back in 2018 when it was released, including its clever and effective Variable Valve Control high-speed rebound system. For 2021, Fox is bringing that VVC technology to the 36, 38, and 40's compression damper. Basically, instead of preloading the shims, they're changing the leverage that's being applied to them. I'm a visual learner, so I pictured a frisbee (the shims) sitting dead center over a skinny pole (the small center bolt) - you'd be able to easily flex the frisbee over the pole if you pushed down on it. Now picture the same frisbee on top of a larger diameter pole that covers much more of its footprint - it'd be much more difficult to flex. Not only is VVC effective, but it's also very compact, which is always important when you're trying to squeeze a zillion important bits into a damper.

Fox will also continue to offer a 36 using their three-position FIT4 damper, or you can choose to equip it with their electronic Live Valve damper.



The limited-edition Heritage 36 comes in rootbeer.
The limited-edition 38 is available in pistachio. Still less expensive than actual pistachios, too.



Pinkbike Pond Beaver 2020






214 Comments

  • 237 12
 (COVID) 19 X2 = 38!!! What does Fox know and we don't???
  • 23 1
 everything.
  • 85 1
 I have said and will repeat again: this virus was made by BIG TELESCOPING FORK to destroy trust, the linkage fork competing and in result sell more telescoping forks
  • 75 2
 Government subsidy check: $1200.... new fox fork? $1199... they're watching, and they know we're riding.
  • 5 1
 So Fox Racing is this "Deep State" I have been hearing about all along.
  • 3 0
 @borisimobike: Following the money always tells the story.
  • 4 0
 @onemanarmy: why are you up at midnight waiting for this release, what department at fox do you work in?
  • 3 0
 @jewpowered: I'm up til midnight every night. There were something like 100 comments before 1am. Lotta people with jacked up sleep patterns stuck in their houses. I'm trying to work from home and home school 2 kids. I'm lucky if I'm in bed before 3.
  • 7 2
 Retire 49. Hinting there's a 49mm stanchion coming out in future.
  • 2 0
 @chyu: ofccccc, your onto something
  • 1 0
 @WIllbrown1103: Girth over length. And how you use it!
  • 6 0
 Fart buttons.
  • 1 0
 @onemanarmy: Same here, glad Fox is letting you work from home
  • 148 1
 Guess I have to throw my never used 2020 36 in the trash now
  • 76 1
 No, i'll buy it for 250$, 2020 is so outdated
  • 14 58
flag gnralized (Apr 7, 2020 at 1:37) (Below Threshold)
 @ Rgdelgadillo

No you don't. Your fork is still 140-180mm capable (27.5), with a contained weight and an excellent damper.
I've been riding 170mm 36 for a long time (5 years, NA, NA2, RC2, GRIP2) on 150-155mm 27.5 rear travel trail bikes and I don't need a beefier nor heavier fork.
I'm not ready to pay the +200g penalty to increase my fork travel from 160 to 170mm. I can however understand the benefit on a longer travel enduro 29er race bike.
I was expected at least a lighter (like step cast) version of the 36 with better damper than the fit4 to fill the gap in the 140-160mm range between fox 34 and 36, to match the new breed of short travel trail bikes with progressive geometry (like the new norco optic) that don't need a 1995 g fork with bleed valves.
Despite that they put on market a 36 with same weight and less travel option than the current 36.
Sorry Fox, I'm an assumed fanboy running A LOT of your products, but you still miss something to match the 1832g Pike in your lineup.

So keep your fork and be happy with it.
For me there is no gain in the new 2021 36, instead I'm gonna get me a bunch of 2020 36...
  • 32 1
 @kazwei: I think anything from 2020 is just outright cursed, wouldn't touch it with a barge pole
  • 3 0
 Then some homeless guy will find it in the trash and put it on his Walmart bike lol
  • 2 0
 @ctd07:
But a certain group of people have been waiting for 4/20/2020 for a long time. Is this a sign?
  • 1 0
 @gnarnaimo: was thinking the same
  • 1 1
 for those who said it's the same, just ride your bike. I'm going to answer you: bitccchhhhhhhhhh.... from far away.
  • 1 0
 LOL. I'm literally in the same situation! 2020 bike in the garage, while i sit here with a broken collar bone and a global pandemic....
  • 112 1
 Ok, now please release the Marzocchi Z-something cool version of the 38 for half the price, thank you
  • 30 1
 Its called the 66 bud not a z series.
  • 10 2
 @mhoshal: I will jus paste what I wrote in "first ride' article: the idea of Marzocchi 66 returned. Fox is like Apple of MTB (oh I will have so much negative props for that, please consider that I am using Fox shock though). They reinventedold idea and declaired revolution :-)) and yet not much time ago we have all heard the opinion that 66 concept is dead as new angles, advanced design, techology etc makes 66 redundand. Seriously I am almost sure that FOX (as Marzocchi owner) will allow us to see new 66 line shortly.
  • 3 0
 @johnyyy: I sure hope so man I loved the 66!! Both 35mm and 38mm versions even though a lot of people had issues with the 2008 and above forks, I never did just an all around solid shit kicker of a fork. I dod snap a steerer off an 07 but I landed bad off a drop straight into a tree so it was to be expected lol.
  • 2 0
 @mhoshal: with 66 SL ATA it was impossible to set it up properly. Also this fork was sweating from compression knob (which was considered normal at this time). After a year on 66 I decided to sell this fork and thy guy who bought it told me that after 2months of riding my odl fork decided to drop all the oil at his rotor during the descend. My next 66 RC3 EVO was perfect though.
  • 1 4
 @johnyyy: Where's johnyyy!!! No hes not breaking through a door with an axe...hes just scamming the PB buysell users.
Note to buysell users: Avoid this username - johnyyy






Jk...I dont really care...shit happens.
  • 5 0
 @takeiteasyridehard: I like the reference to The Shining ;P but apart from that are you on drugs? Big Grin or maybe you just hit my soft spot. Anyway to be absolutely clear: buyer was fully aware about fork condition and back in 2008 whole scene knew that SL ATA has issues with knob seals.
  • 1 0
 I think they will still cost $1.5million CAD
  • 1 0
 @johnyyy: my 66 SL doppio air was always great. Of course it sucked down in its travel and I had to rebuild it after nearly every weekend.
  • 2 0
 @johnyyy: I sure felt like I was on drugs when I wrote that. I suppose I was high on seratonin. Sleep deprivation can do wicked things to your brain. I wrote that comment at 3:30ish AM after I got done with some school work.
  • 1 0
 @ssteve: www.pinkbike.com/photo/1880159

:-D together with my friends we have bought 5 forks to get better price. Everyone had some issues.
  • 54 4
 That Arch. It hurts my eyes. haha.
  • 12 1
 yup, imo the arch looks atrocious especially in comparison to RS
  • 5 3
 Form should always follow function.
  • 1 0
 @bman33: @bman33: That works in principle, then people plump for the good looking bikes with the newest paint job
  • 2 1
 It looks like a 2004boxxer imo ,all the American reinforced hammer design that i admired not looks shy and shaped ,it's like looking a big stanchions marzocchi using the lowers of a RST or an old boxxer.....so sad for me ,also the colors are from a hipster outdoor furniture :v
  • 43 1
 Elliptical steerer tube makes it stronger? [Runs off to invent elliptical wheels.]
  • 16 1
 Elliptical bores in the seatposts (not to be confused with the aero external shape of some roadie posts) used to be quite common. It isn't worth the hassle to make that work for dropper stanchions considering all that goes in there, but it is common for rigid seatposts. I think it makes sense for steerer tubes, except for those who like to use the steerer to store tools and a pump (like what OneUp makes).
  • 7 2
 Goodbye OneUp EDC Frown
  • 2 0
 @vinay: Exactly. Until droppers, I always ran Thomson posts , they have elliptical internal bores. Still have them on my DJ and road/townie bike.
  • 6 0
 @EnduroManiac: I have the EDC in my OneUp frame pump. Works great and the weight is a bit lower on the frame.
  • 4 0
 @vinay: didn’t seem to stop Richie using his oneup last year
  • 1 0
 @Cordijortes: Alright, so it is still compatible. That's nice. Was the Richie in question using the older version that requires you to cut thread on the inside of the steerer or was he already using the never version where you actually attach the tool to the stem?
  • 30 7
 of course, you will start noticing that flex on the 170mm 36, right away, and you would realize that you need the 38 to prevent this flex and the near death experience you had because of it.(no, it was not because you screwed up your line).. cheers. Planned obsolescense
  • 19 17
 Take it easy, 38 weighs almost a full pound more - that's bad news for PRs and KOMs on segments nobody cares about. Given they didn't make one piece steerer/ crown, or at least increased steerer diameter at the bottom, it makes very little sense to switch. The depth of insert of steerer into crown is a joke. Slightly less binding so a bit better action on G-outs due to increased stanchion stiffness. Not worth the extra pound even in my books. I will consider ithe 38 when they will siginificantly increase CSU rigidity. 40 is a much better choice for someone who wants long travel performance, it even has same crown to race as 180 38.

Hopefully Rockshox has been more forward thinking with their new upcoming single crown chassis
  • 18 1
 @WAKIdesigns: 215 grams = 0.47lbs, so no, not almost a full pound more
  • 8 1
 @WAKIdesigns: Yep 100% agree with you. Sick of Fox (and RS) saving grams on the CSU on their burly forks. Makes no sense after 6 months of heavy riding they are creaking and cracking! I've just excepted the sound now, which is not good.
  • 1 0
 I was pretty surprised to read that too. You'd think at least a little overlap would help people who are maybe lighter and want to run a longer travel 36. I guess my 2020 170mm 36 just doubled in value!
  • 24 1
 I have just seen EU pricing on another site. If it's not a joke/mistake, they can put it where the sun never shines. At cases almost 50% over US prices. I get import taxes, etc, but this is just plain ridiculous.
  • 1 0
 F*ck
  • 16 1
 As an american who's up at 3:23 AM. I am suprised by the amount of other Americans commenting on here right now. Let's all go to bed, and complain about shit on here another day (or at least much later in the morning on the same day after a few hours of sleep). There will be hundreds more - insert Waki's country - comments on here to neg prop in a few hours.




Jk Waki, you know I love you!
  • 2 1
 Hahaha, I've spent the morning clicking "show comment" and I'll let you guess whose comments they are. At some point they'll have to rename the thumbs down button to the WAKI button in his honor!
  • 12 1
 If Pinkbike's slo mo bottom out videos have taught us anything its that most of the flex in a fork comes from the steerer crown so good job on the elliptical steerer to stiffen it up but why not just add that to the 36 rather than making a whole ton a new parts for the stiffer 38 when the fork is only as stiff as it's weakest part, and bigger stanchions have more friction. i guess the marketing aspect is too great, everyone has been asking for these for years, i would still prefer a light weight dual crown 36.
  • 3 0
 The same reason they offer both a FIT4 and GRIP2 damper, while the GRIP dampers work better, are easier to maintain and aren't more expensive to manufacture..
  • 3 0
 @Mac1987: That's not the same at all, FIT4 offers on the fly compression adjustment for those that want it, while this isn't as useful on a fork as it is a shock it's still a differentiating feature, my point was if the steerer crown is the flexi bit then just put the stiffer crown on the 36 and the rest of the chassis doesn't matter as much.
  • 5 0
 @maglor: I believe the GRIP dampers offer the same or better (GRIP2) adjustments. The point is, when an improvement comes (FIT > GRIP or round steerer > elliptical steerer), one could replace the old design with the new one on existing product lines. Not Fox though. They just keep selling the old design and sell an upgraded version for a higher price. They could have replaced FIT with GRIP, but they didn't. They could have replaced the round steerer on the 34 and 36 forks, but they didn't and now sell a higher prices 38 fork.
  • 10 2
 Let's be honest, the real reason they developed the 38 is for e bikes, as Mike said he (or anyone for they matter) have never found a 36 feel noodly but also that on an e bike and the added weight makes a difference, too bad it's too much more expensive than the forks that come on e bikes most people buy ????????????
  • 10 1
 Is that a 15mm axle on a 180mm travel fork? But... why?
If the 38mm stanchions are about more stiffness, why not use a dedicated 20mm axle?
  • 4 0
 “bEcAuSe EnDuRo BrO”
  • 1 0
 that would be waaaaaay to easy
  • 7 0
 Innovation happens and things move forward. I’m ok with that, even like it.

I think what makes me sad here is the loss of travel adjustability on the 36. I bought one of the first 2018 models set at 140 to put on a 5010. It’s been on four subsequent bikes since then with travel ranging all the way up to 180. Even bought 29” lowers for it. Let’s face it, I’m not a hard enough rider to need blah blah % stiffness increase. What I do value on my budget is the ability to put my trusty, versatile fork on any new bike for the cost of a $35 spring.
  • 11 1
 Intended Use: not freeride apparently :/
  • 5 0
 26 rim in a 49 fork :'D
|I guess they're marketing Marfoxxi to free riders
  • 11 0
 That root beer tho!!
  • 4 0
 I know. Put that finish on the 34 please. Now.
  • 3 0
 @yeahdog31: I want it on ALL THE TINGS
  • 4 0
 The air-sprung version.... Root Beer *Float*?
  • 2 0
 root beer is the new oil slick.
  • 2 0
 I know. That thing is Tasty. Trying to imgiane how it would look with my blue frame.
  • 10 0
 Fast Air Release Technology™ Buttons!
  • 8 0
 Off in the distance, a faint chant is heard, growing louder over the clamor about the 38.

“TOTEM TOTEM TOTEM TOTEM TOTEM TOTEM”
  • 7 1
 Great to see that FOX has realized the potential of the 36 for mid-travel (trail/enduro) bikes and offers it in a 150mm version now. I think they should also offer it in 140mm, maybe even 130mm.

I think the arch of the 2020 models look a bit less nice though.
  • 6 1
 Why sell a GRIP, FIT4 and a GRIP2 damper on the same fork?
GRIP = simple and "affordable" (Fox's definition, not the users') on Performance forks
GRIP2 = higher performance and customisability on Factory forks
FIT4 = performance below GRIP and pricing above it? Getting rid of old stock?
  • 1 1
 GRIP2 is also available in Performance Elite forks FIT4 is three-position adjust with lockout
  • 1 0
 @boozed: and GRIP is also 3 position adjust. That's exactly my point.
  • 1 0
 @Mac1987: Beats me then.

However, how certain are you that GRIP is superior to FIT4? The combined wisdom of the internet appears completely undecided.
  • 1 0
 @boozed: reading people's experiences, it seems most find the GRIP and FIT4 roughly equal in performance (like PinkBike) or slightly prefer GRIP. Most seem to prefer GRIP2 to FIT4. I personally only have experience with FIT and GRIP.
  • 8 0
 I want to see that arch painted like a rainbow. Not for my bike, but I still want to see it.
  • 6 0
 FOX, have you solved those creaking CSU ???
This is the only information i want to know !
My 36 RC2 went 2 times under warranty because of creaking stanchions / crown..
  • 2 0
 I can 99.9% say.... no.
  • 3 0
 Same. The 36 already felt great... for a few months until it started sounding like a dying frog. Fixed???
  • 3 0
 So can we get a new 34? What about us shorter travel riders, do we matter? I'm still dreaming of the day when a Grip2 damper is offered for 34 forks. Also dreaming of the day the X2 and DHX2 are offered in 7.5x2.0. Trail riders want tunability too! (yes I'm aware they're made in 7.875x2.25 which is a common trail size, my bike has 7.5x2.0 and I'm just salty)
  • 6 0
 Will the fox 36 831 remain?
  • 2 0
 An elliptical inner shape to its steerer tube that's said to increase stiffness without adding too much weight. It's only employed on the 38, but I bet we'll see it on the 36 in the future as well. but they just launched 36, so because they didn't do it like that
  • 5 0
 Does anyone know if the new Grip 2 damper will be backwards compatible with the previous 36?
  • 2 0
 @mikelevy

There are no posted axle -to-crown lengths in any documentation. That would be nice to know?

While looking for that i noticed the fork is rated for brake rotors up to 230mm diameter, finally.

Im curious if the fork uses cross and backwards compatible dampers with the new and old 36's.
It would be nice to be able to carry over different spring and damper setups and backups.
  • 11 5
 stop saying fart buttons
  • 30 0
 Would you prefer *freedom nipples* ?
  • 2 0
 Poot pushers
  • 1 0
 Flatulence knobs? Poot pushers? Suspension Sphincters?
  • 13 0
 Fart buttons
  • 2 1
 @southoftheborder: do you know where the term "freedom fries" comes from?
  • 2 0
 @bman33: I vote poot pushers or suspention sphincters. Love it!!!
  • 2 0
 @ad15: Freedom nipples is an internal joke at Ridemonkey.com, dating back to when the original burp buttons were spotted in the team-only RAD 40 forks. Partially because of the whole made in America sillyness.
  • 1 0
 @mikelevy: Bart Futtons
  • 4 0
 Does the elliptical steerer mean you can't run the One Up EDC tool or the SWAT version etc.?
  • 4 0
 PM7 Mount on a 38 and 36 castrated to 160mm, really Fox ?
Sure, OEMs can get what they want...
  • 2 1
 Fwiw, I find the 160->200 adapters to be a better/tidier fitment than the 180->200
  • 1 0
 Although, it just occurred to me that the pm160 might preclude the use of 220 rotors, which could be an intentional move by fox. I remember hearing that they wouldn't condone the use of 220 rotors on the last gen 36, and that doing so could void your warranty
  • 1 1
 180 PM sucks if you run 203 rotors. Yes there is a +23 adaptor, but they are hard to find. The 160 to 203 adaptor is super clean and I’d take it every time over post 180.
  • 5 0
 It'd be cool if Fox had at least made the 38 with a 203PM...Who the hell's running a 180mm front rotor on a 180mm travel fork? Ridiculous, especially considering the lowers are a ground-up redesign (so no changes for at least a few years). Adapters are obviously functional but why add an unnecessary part that's slightly heavier, flexier, and uglier?
  • 1 0
 To add to my rant: 120mm travel trail bikes have 180PM rear ends...
  • 1 0
 @serathestaii:

Agreed on your first point, the 38 should absolutely be 203.

I wish my trailbike had a pm180 rear end, or better yet IS, but thats a whole nother rant.
  • 1 0
 @thegoodflow: To clarify, I like that most bikes have 180PM rear ends now. My point was: if the industry thinks the smallest rotor you should be running on the rear end of your short travel trail bike is 180mm, then why the hell would a 180mm rotor on the front of a monster make sense? haha
  • 1 0
 @serathestaii: I actually was not being sarcastic... I agree, its a good point. But my particular 135/160 bike has a pm160 rear which I think is silly.. would prefer pm180, or better yet IS
  • 1 0
 @auzb: Damien Oton? He's been slingin' an 8" for years.
  • 3 0
 so glad to see suspension brands finally addressing the lowers air bleed issue! I was starring to loose track of my favorite zip tie.
  • 3 2
 funny is that in 2000 forks had round arch of lower legs, than everybody reinvented them into square and now after 20 years arch is stiffer now.

This floating axle smells me with idea of dropping manufacture quality so we will pay less for production, user will delete our mistakes by himself and pay more bc this is done 'so the fork will work better with those broken hubs'

(it is easier to make the length of the hub exactly as it should be than two ideally parallel tubes)
  • 8 7
 So because some idiot might put this on an ebike with a giant head tube they redesigned the arch.

Everyone else has to suffer a less optimized design because of ebikes.

Welcome to the future. The bike industry doesn’t care about you if you like to pedal yourself
  • 11 2
 The future sure is whiny.
  • 1 0
 Pedal bikes ain't dead ! Pedal bikes 4 life !
  • 1 2
 Big shock as the rant against e-bikes shows that the person has no actual knowledge about how e-bikes actually work.
  • 1 0
 Jeez, drama queen. Just don't buy that fork.
  • 2 0
 So the axle locks into the drive-side lower on the cam end, and floats inside the disc-side lower on the opposite axle end to make a floating system? Cam lever on the drive-side is new as well.
  • 3 0
 I was wondering why no one was talking about how fox has shifted the side of the fork things thread into.
  • 1 0
 Can someone help me out a little bit? On my trail bike ('19 stumpy) I have the stock 34 Performance which is modest in functionality but I love how you can just "lock it in" with a single twist from Open to Firm. I am planning to get the Factory 36 with grip2 fit4 and I'm wondering if I can do the same sort of "firm position" on the grip2 dial that I can do on the 34. The reason I ask is that I want a fork that I can ride uphill with but can also take some rough and evil downhill too. Thanks
  • 4 1
 Why those forks now look like they re from 90s ? Seems like 90s designers had the performance benefits in mind back then.
  • 1 0
 I've argued with a lot of people saying that the 36 should become a trail fork, and Fox should do away with the 34. There were a lot of builds this last model year that moved from 34s to 36s.
  • 1 1
 "The fresh 40's list of changes mirrors the 36, with an all-new chassis that incorporates a floating thru-axle"

The 40, and the 36 (as an option), have had that axle, or a varaition (think late 2000s 36 QR20 with the two levers), for over a decade.
  • 2 0
 Much prefer the graphics forward facing, what I'm not liking is the, roughly, 30% price hike for UK riders compared the the US pricing.
  • 3 0
 Pond beaver is shaping up to be pretty good
  • 2 0
 This new rounded arch design looks a lot like an old RockShox Pikes from 2004. It was quite a beautiful fork, though...
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 @konstantinpavlikhin they don't even look remotely close to the same.
  • 4 3
 That orange colour...man, it's like you need qualifications to have it on your bike. e.g. a total speed demon, gnarly bad ass, or both.
  • 19 0
 Or mid-life crisis, moderately over-biked?
  • 2 1
 I checked. You just need the money and a willingness to spend it.
  • 4 2
 @zyoungson: yup, goes great on the yeti sb150 that the local guy runs EXO casing tires....
  • 2 0
 No mention of the 38 being developed to survive the Grim Donut? No let's mention fart buttons..
  • 3 0
 Cant wait for XC bikes to have a 38 on them lol
  • 2 0
 Had a Thomson seatpost laying around, accidentally used it as a steerer, ran with it.
  • 2 0
 I like the look at what they’ve done, just think they somehow look cheaper now. Can’t explain how.
  • 1 0
 i think the new graphics look pretty gross - mainly the 3 on one leg and the 8 on the other, in that weird stopwatch style
  • 1 0
 three offset sizes on fox 40, I would like to know which model will be distributed on the series bikes, and how to purchase the other sizes
  • 2 0
 Likely 48 on 27.5 and 52 on 29.
  • 3 0
 I dig the pistachio option; more variety in colors is most welcome.
  • 1 0
 why so long offset on 40? It was my understanding that shorter offset brings more stability, yet most DH forks have offset ~ 50 mm.
  • 3 0
 Black knobs!
  • 3 2
 Not sure about you but the Floating Axle design for all 3 forks is Fkn GENIUS.. Up yours RS.!
  • 7 3
 Its an ohlins idea.
  • 1 0
 My Ohlins RXF from a couple of years ago says hi. This is not new no matter what fox tells you.
  • 2 0
 They've swapped the side that the QR lever is on.

...why?
  • 2 0
 Light duty 36 on the way for trail bikes...
  • 2 0
 Checking all the obselete 36's available on Ebay tomorrow
  • 1 0
 I have a 2019 36 with a grip 2. Is it possible to upgrade to live valve? Is the Same possible on a DPX2 rear shock?
  • 2 1
 None of these improvements will matter if the CSU creaks after 3 months in BC. Not holding my breath... Prove me wrong FOX.
  • 4 3
 These pistachio, grey and deep purple lowers colors are sexier than an unshaven pussy.
  • 1 0
 Can someone explain how you know when you need to use the fart buttons and the proper way to do so?
  • 2 0
 Where is the 26" wheel, 20mm axle version?
  • 3 0
 Those are in the buysell section for $175
  • 1 0
 Wait, what is the point of a QR lever if it has a pinch bolt too? Am i missing something?
  • 2 0
 Yes. The pinch bolt doesn't "pinch" the axle, only the axle sleeve.
  • 1 0
 So what frame is getting live valve next? I'd bet it's the Ransom, Firebird, or Reign.
  • 1 0
 Development of this fork has helped them in jumping the shark for the next line of redundant products.
  • 1 0
 They look good but it is a shame there isn't a dual crown version of the 38...
  • 1 0
 The new 38 is a downhill fork like the 40. It's like a single crown Boxxer.. same stunctions.
  • 1 0
 "It's like being able to fart at the push of a button." This sounds like something that I always wanted.
  • 2 0
 DVO ONYX SC Already had this tech 2 years ago
  • 2 0
 Pistachio 38 eh!
  • 2 0
 Next: peanut butter version! Wink
  • 3 2
 So stoked for white lowers again on the 40!!!
  • 6 3
 They're gray.
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 @onemanarmy: white just looks outdated
  • 2 0
 @jgainey: sooooo good.
  • 2 2
 Wait, what?! There’s a 38? That’s such a good idea! Great job everybody... bravo.
  • 1 0
 also what is the axle to crown on the 38?
  • 1 0
 A coil option would of been nice! Maybe next year?
  • 1 0
 Damn - my 2019 Fox 36 Factory forks in orange already look dated. Frown
  • 2 1
 So is the 36 pretty much obsolete now??
  • 1 2
 It was obsolete like 5 years ago... still better than RS which was 10
  • 1 1
 Depends on what you have but no. It's still a great fork.
  • 1 0
 Are the lowers or CSU’s in the 36 retrofittable to 2019 models?
  • 2 0
 What does the fox say?
  • 2 1
 can someone make sense of the free floating axle but with a QR lever?
  • 2 0
 in What way? It’s the same principle but with a qr
  • 3 0
 @Cordijortes: Basically when you take your wheel off with the QR lever, do you need to undue that pinch bolt aswell... Rendering the "QR" system not so tool free.
  • 1 0
 @BoneDog: The pinch bolt does not "pinch" the axle, only the axle sleeve.
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 @gigamike: exactly what i wanted to know. so its a little floating sleeve you lock down once you get your hub in place that takes up the tolerance between hub manufacturers. makes sense. i got ya thanks @gigamike
  • 3 0
 @BoneDog: Yup. Best way to do this is when the fork is pressurized to your liking. Once you tighten down the axle, press the fork down slightly past the equalizer notch, and depress the Schrader valve. This should push the fork all the way down into its travel. Then tighten up the pitch bolt to the reccomended torque spec. This will ideally line up the lowers with the stanchions 100% in case of manufacturing flaws, and reduce bushing side loads. Boom done.
  • 1 0
 So many settings/Technology I'm lost
  • 1 0
 Can't wait for the totem to come back
  • 1 0
 That arch leaves much to be desired...
  • 1 0
 No 100MM DJ option? come on...
  • 1 0
 there's still the 36 831,but i guess they just won't update it for now,and marzocchi already have a DJ version which uses the same lowers but this one is yet to be officially announced
  • 1 0
 It is coming, you can see it on the dealer website, looks to be the old lowers, new decals, new damper and airspring. Probably the redesigned crown.
  • 1 0
 So tell me... When is the 42 releasing?
  • 1 0
 When will these be available?
  • 1 0
 I'm surprised the FIT4 damper has stuck around
  • 1 0
 They went backwards with that tyre arch... it's horrendous
  • 1 0
 Can i get these in the Sam Pilgrim signature HiViz colours?
  • 1 0
 Come on RockShox, we need Totem
  • 1 0
 Mc Donald's called. They want their arch back.
  • 1 0
 This is dated! Marzocchi had the 44 at least 10 years ago.
  • 1 2
 All sponge worthy (Seinfeld fans). 38 is the spiritual heir to the Totem. I'll leave a technical analysis to others
  • 1 2
 Dont know what the hype is, I've got fox 40 free-ride forks.. single crown... solid as
  • 1 1
 Rootbeer color is wonderful. It should come as one of standard colors.
  • 1 2
 Anything but orange
  • 1 0
 Orange again?
  • 1 0
 It's their company colors, just like Red is Rockshox, Green DVO, etc. Fox's website shows all in black as well.
  • 1 0
 Fart buttons Razz Big Grin
  • 1 0
 arch design Frown
  • 1 0
 Ugly AF. Burn this..
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