First Look: Fox Racing's Fall 2018 Outerwear

Oct 15, 2018
by Mike Kazimer  
Fall has officially arrived in the Northern Hemisphere, bringing cooler temperatures, rain, and the first few inches of snow at higher elevations. The bears and squirrels may be thinking about hibernation, but for many mountain bikers the change of seasons just means it's time to put on an extra layer or two before heading out for a ride.

Fox's new Fall 2018 collection was designed to take the guesswork out of deciding what to wear before embarking on those late season rides. Instead of grouping the clothing into categories based on a riding style (cross-country, downhill, etc...), Fox splits the apparel into three groups: Water, Fire, and Wind. Those names indicate what the clothing was designed for - the Water group contains waterproof and water resistant items intended to keep the rain and mud at bay, Fire contains more insulated pieces to provide warmth for chillier days, and, you guessed it, Wind contains apparel built to block the wind. It's an extensive collection - what follows are a few of the pieces that stood out from the rest.

Fox Fall 2018


Attack Pro Water Jacket

The Attack Pro Water jacket is tailored specifically for cycling; it uses what Fox call their 'Rider Attack Patterning', which means the fit is best when you're actually on a bike. There's also an offset zipper that's designed to be operated with one hand, and zippered vents to increase airflow when things get too hot. There's no hood, a feature (or lack thereof) that Fox decided on after consulting with their professional riders.

Details

• 3 layer waterproof / breathable stretch fabric
• Cordura arm panels for abrasion resistance
• 15,000mm waterproof / 25,000g/m2 breathability
• Two front zip vents, laser perforated back ventilation
• MSRP: $299.95 USD



Fox Fall 2018



Fox Fall 2018

Attack Water Pant

The addition of waterproof pants to Fox's lineup will be a welcome one, especially for riders in the Pacific Northwest and the UK, where things tend to be soggy for a good chunk of the year. Not a fan of pants? Fox also offer the Attack Water shorts, for those days when the rain has stopped falling but the trails are still wet.

Details

• 3 layer waterproof / breathable fabric
• 2 zippered pockets
• Elasticized ankle cuffs
• Ratcheting waistband adjustment
• MSRP: $174.95 USD



Fox Fall 2018
A ratchet strap is used to adjust the fit.



Fox Fall 2018


Attack Wind Jacket

Lightweight and packable, the Attack Wind jacket is one of those layers that can be tossed into a pack or stuffed into a pocket as a 'just-in-case' option should the weather take a sudden turn. A vented back panel helps with temperature regulation, and a DWR coating is in place to prevent the jacket from getting soaked through during a light drizzle.


Details

• Constructed from Cordura Ripstop material
• Eco-friendly DWR treated
• Packs into inside pocket
• Reflective logos
• Colors: yellow, midnight, black, cardinal
• MSRP: $69.96 USD




Fox Fall 2018
A perforated back panel adds breathability.



Fox Fall 2018


Attack Pro Fire Jacket

Layering properly for cold weather riding can be tricky - underdress and you'll want to head home after only a few minutes, overdress and you'll start to feel like the kid in A Christmas Story. The Attack Pro is meant to strike the right balance, with Polartec's Alpha Direct insulation in key areas, and a sofshell material for the side panels.

Details

• Polartec Alpha Direct insulation
• Softshell side and underarm panels
• Front chest pocket
• DWR coating
• MSRP: $249.95 USD




Fox Fall 2018



Fox Fall 2018
The Attack Fire gloves have a waterproof palm, a DWR coating, and D30 knuckle protection. MSRP: $59.95



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98 Comments

  • + 66
 $300 for a jacket? Seriously, I would come up with something witty, but that's just being unreasonable at this point. Even if its high quality, make something that the average consumer is willing to buy. This isnt Gucci, we get Muddy. Period.
  • + 40
 Well, if you look at how much a Gucci coat actually costs these prices seem very reasonable. $5,500 for a houndstooth trench coat with a NY Yankess emblem sewn to it? Now that's silly.

Also, Fox do offer rain jackets that are less expensive and still have many of the same features.
  • + 25
 @mikekazimer: agreed, but surely more to the point would be the question who the hell would ride in a $300 jacket that they could quite easily rip after a few crashes? also, why would you buy something that stops working after it gets dirty after a few rides, and then you have to wash it and wear off all the DWR, which you then replace but never really regains its performance again?
  • + 10
 When you compare this to a high end ski jacket, $300 isn't that unreasonable. I'd put a $300 shell meant for skiing at the lower end of the spectrum. It isn't out of the question for a ski jacket with similar performance to these jackets to cost $450, so comparably these are in the right ball park in my opinion. For reference, a Patagonia PowSlayer jacket is $700 (which is ridiculous).
  • + 9
 @carsonsucks503 Patagonia PowSlayer :at $700 It doesn't slay the pow it slays your wallet.
  • + 16
 @oatkinso: You can wash (or hit with the hose) a jacket and not ruin the DWR. In fact, you should be washing the jacket if it gets muddy because otherwise the mud clogs the pours in the membrane which will hurt breath ability.

I am not sure what people expect in terms of price here if they want a waterproof/breathable jacket. The materials for even non-branded 3L membranes and fabrics (i.e. not gore) are not that cheap and construction costs are a little different than the ones associated with the $15 t-shirt you buy. FWIW, I bet Fox's margin on direct costs for that rain jacket are not even 50%, maybe 40% with the volume they do (I am guessing its not that much). So that's a $120 to pay for design, development, distribution, sales, marketing, etc and then hopefully you have some profit. It's not like their rolling in cash here; it's a fairly competitive market.

Also (and this is a bit unrelated) the DWR does not keep you dry. The 3L membrane does. DWR keep the face fabric on the jacket from wetting out and impacting the breath ability of the membrane. The wind jacket here will shed water/snow for a little bit of time in light rain, but it will eventually wet through because the membrane/fabric of the jacket isn't waterproof.
  • + 15
 @oatkinso: Sorry math was a bit off. They probably sell the jacket to retailers at 50% and then their margin is 40% of that, or $60.

So Fox's revenue on this jacket is probably 60% of retail because they do some direct business: $180 a jacket where your direct costs are $108 and then you have all your other costs. My point here why you may think its a rip-off to spend $300 on the jacket, Fox isn't exactly minting money with it.
  • + 2
 @mikekazimer: Not silly for those that gotta keep it gangster tho!
  • - 7
flag myfriendgoose (Oct 15, 2018 at 16:50) (Below Threshold)
 $300 is actually pretty cheap. Don't get me wrong, this product is most assuredly garbage and will promptly fall apart like everything else in the mtb world, but check out 7mesh for absurd prices for something not much better than this. Save yourself the hassle and buy a Mission Workshop.
  • + 1
 @mikekazimer: Very true, thank you for pointing out the cheaper models. I just feel that $300 is a little high in terms of outerwear.
  • - 4
flag MTBKid27 (Oct 15, 2018 at 17:14) (Below Threshold)
 @carsonsucks503: I've never skied, but that is absolutely insane just for a jacket. There is no way the $700 one is that much better than the others through, right?
  • + 17
 @dhx42: your math isn't that much off...

you can do the math from the other side too.
A good 3 layer membrane material is anywhere from 15-30 dollar per yard or easily double that if you go for a name brand material like gore, event or schoeller.

A jacket like this uses anywhere between 1.5 and 2 yards of material. that gives you a material price of of somewhere between 30$ for a low end to 60$ for a gore jacket.
Now you add 3 dollars for every waterproof zipper, 1 dollar for every of the big fox logo HF-prints, 5 dollar for other trims, some money for linings at the pocket, 10-20 dollars of labor depending if you want taped seams and in which factory you produce.

Lets say the is about 100 Dollars FOB without shipping or trumps new tariffs which will soon raise the cost for customers further.
On this 100 dollars Fox will try to make at least a 50 margin, probably more these days because their shareholders request a certain minimum on every product.
Anyway this margin also pays the salaries of everyone working at FOX, for all the designers and developers, for the pattern makers and fit technicians, for the sales guys and the logistics department that bring the stuff to your shop, for warehousing and last but not least Loris and Laurie want to be paid too tor race in the stuff...

So we are at $150 or a little bit more which is what the shop pays for the jacket. The shop tries to sell it for 300 however the already know that not everything will sell and some of the stuff will land on the sales rack. So a shop already calculates with a lower retail price. From their margin the shop has to pay the rent, the employes, the electricity and their taxes...

anyway, bottom line... some people might think they are overpaying but no one gets rich in this industry...
  • + 4
 arcteryx is twice as expensive and patagonia pcu and similar are all within that price range. waterproof highly technical kit isnt cheap. its the difference between being dry all day and being drenched after the first hour.
  • + 3
 @carsonsucks503: I bought a flylow labcoat and I wouldn't hesitate to drop the coin again. Lol that being said the fox jacket is something I would consider.
  • + 12
 LOL to the 18 yr olds moaning about $300. Wait till you grow up and have kids. Then you get to moan legit.
  • - 1
 @oatkinso: yup ive stopped washing my jacket. Ill taje the stink over loosing the waterproofness. It's too much of a risk.
  • + 1
 @oatkinso: Simple, same person who would buy a 10,000 EUR bike. How is that reasonable?

We justify it because it's our passion, but tell a non-riding friend you bought a bike that's worth as much as a small car.
  • + 1
 @myfriendgoose:7mesh is some of the best gear i have ever owned,not saying it's not expensive but i've been wearing a pair of Glidepathe shorts for a couple of years now and they look like new.Definitely worth the cash.
  • + 1
 Arcteryx have jackets that are waterproof but not completely out of this world expensive in comparison to this Fox jacket.

Anyone remember the Raceface chute jacket? Not 300 bucks but still not cheap...mine is not waterproof and all the taped in zippers and seams are falling apart.
  • + 5
 @dhx42: you can give me the exact cost run down straight from their own finances but it won’t change the fact that tearing about in filthy woodland in a $300 jacket is stupid. It will also fall to bits in one way or another, it’s Fox. The fact Kazimer thinks this is ok is concerning.
  • + 0
 @michibretz: still to expensive.....
  • + 6
 @iqbal-achieve: journalists don’t have an idea about pricing since they always use the stuff companies send them for testing. That is the only way hiw RC could say that Di2 is a great product. Complete detachment from reality. It’s like asking Clarkson about value of McLaren P1... I am personally puzzled whether whining about that fact is a sign of awakeness or sillyness. Ahaaaa! or ndaaaaa?

For me personally even 100$ rain jacket is an insane idea. And I consider myself loaded. I simply use old jackets I won’t wear in public anymore. In most cases though just ride in merino because I do not fancy getting wet from my sweat. I live in a rainy area but rain jackets digust me.
  • + 9
 @WAKIdesigns: the last couple of years it’s felt like there has been a real push to turn the outerwear segment into what snow sports have. But it just doesn’t make sense for mountain biking. Yeah we need ways to stay dry and clean as possible but it’s just not possible to stay warm, dry, clean and have kit that won’t get ruined after 2 rides in the very same conditions the kit is meant to keep out. We are flying through hawthorn and rhododendron while getting covered in a mixture of shit and grit; not pillows of pow. Even the bike itself will attack your clothing from time to time.
They’re selling dreams. Riding in the winter is always gonna suck, just not as bad as not riding at all.
  • + 3
 @iqbal-achieve: I know it doesn't make sense. I said it on many occasions and stopped commenting on it, a good waterproof jacket or pants gets shredded in any bigger crash and once it happens in most cases it is either hard or impossible to repair since there are so many small holes. And there's always been a couple of dudes saying that their jackets are fine after many crashes. Ndaaaa. how? Because I wasted every single one. Like my Haglofs Goretex that I had just for transport bit and I was stupid enough to crash there. Sht loads of torn holes, straight into the bin. I bought it used in mint condition for 120€. Normally it would be 350€. I am surprised none of those kooks showed up in this comment section to say their jacket never tore. I even heard "learn to ride". So well... there is market for those things, no matter how ridiculous it is. POC has a good jacket with reinforcements but it's waterproofness is whatever.
  • + 6
 @mikekazimer: I bought half a dozen free range eggs the other day @ £2.15 and thought "that seems expensive".......until I sore the price of a single Russian Imperial Fabergé egg. Mike kazimer - Best Salesman EVER
  • + 1
 @WAKIdesigns: completely agree. I’ve tried some stuff and always just wish I hadn’t worn it. If it’s already raining I’m probs gonna light a fire and drink some coffee. If I get caught in the rain then I’m most likely heading to the van. A super light weight plastic poncho is something I’ve considered. Otherwise less is more for me. Like the postmen and women always say when you ask em why they wear shorts all winter “my skin is waterproof”. At least on a bike your gonna be keeping pretty warm too, I always am.
  • + 2
 The thing with Fox is they used to make good quality stuff about ten to fifteen years ago, I know because I still have a T-shirt from 2003 that is a little faded but still going strong. Cost me about £25 and is heavy cotton.

We just got a load of Fox stuff in the store I work at and...

1. I can't believe how much they are charging for a jacket, shirt, shorts etc.

2. how poor quality everything is now, the button holes are not finished, the t -shirts are now 95% polyester.

They look cool but the quality has dropped massively from the Fox stuff I remember, but they have the cool factor and the name so they are charging a premium, a bit like what Apple does.

I will still buy Fox stuff but only in the sale or at a reduced price.
  • + 2
 @dhx42: yeah sure, I was agreeing with Mike Kazimer and many others on here that indeed its not actually that much, having worked for a high-end outerwear manufacturer up until very recently I can totally understand how a jacket could cost this and much more. My point really was that I can't understand from the customers point of view why you would want to buy it if you're potentially going to ruin it within a couple of rides.

I don't think its a rip-off, the original commenter does.
  • + 4
 @oatkinso: 300$ is a lot for anything that is easy to get damaged during a crash. Anything above 100$ is and I am sure some would still argue even that is too much. It doesn't matter whether it is a rear derailleur, brake rotor, bicycle rim or a jacket. If they at least provided reinforcements on forearms and elbows we could talk, but they don't. Especially in case of someone ridign with body protection under it, it becomes a 100$+ disposable product. I can spend 500$ on a winter jacket. 300$ on hiking rain jacket - I won't spend more than 50$ on MTB jacket. Especially since riding/running in a jacket is not the brightest idea ever, unless you live in a place where it rains often and heavily. For some reason, it is hard to grasp for most people that jackets make you sweat hell of a lot and within short period of time you get soaked from inside. When you wear synthetic clothing under that jacket you can get cold rather quickly. I bet it has to do with listening to your mom - it is raining, wear a jacket. Don't know. Instead of getting a nice wool layer on top of synthetic compression layer which will protect you from temps anywhere close to 0C. Just grab an old merino sweater. Oh... you won't look as pro isn't it?

That is why the specificity of MTB cannot be ignored. The only fully legit role of a jacket for MTB is wind protection. For that reason choose one of those cheap pocket jackets.
  • + 2
 @rideonjon: agreed on the 7mesh as their product are top notch and really thought out
  • + 1
 @MTBKid27: you can have that opinion, all we're saying is that many many labels make sport outerwear jackets for much more so there's a market for Fox's pricepoint. Acre, Mission Workshop, 7 mesh, Kitsbow, Rapha, Arc'teryx, Patagonia...all make jackets that make this look Fox offering seem inexpensive.
  • + 1
 @oatkinso: I don't disagree with you on the whole crash aspect of owning a jacket like this. I'd probably want a cheaper jacket as well.

However, it's going to be real hard to find a jacket that has the waterproof/breath ability aspects of this jacket with waterproof zippers and what not. You can get a cheap rain jacket that will feel like wearing a trash bag if you higher output rides. If you're banging out DH laps probably not a big deal, but if you are doing a XC ride that cheap jacket will probably suck and you'll be pretty wet from all of your sweat.
  • + 5
 @michibretz: Spot on. People act like there is some conspiracy here to gouge consumers. This is a highly competitive market place, especially when you factor in there are only a handful of factories that are even good at constructing a technical jacket.

Bottom line here is, if someone could figure out how to make jackets like this even 30% cheaper than this, they would do it in a heartbeat and the consumers would see those savings.
  • + 0
 @mikekazimer: how much of that $5,500 did Fox pay for this ad?
  • + 2
 @zorba73: so true!!! $300 in groceries every 5-7 days (depending on number of groms and grom age)
  • + 1
 @oatkinso: If you're losing your DWR performance, you aren't taking good care of your gear. All of my technical DWR shells for climbing and biking are even better than they were the day I got them. You really just need a DWR detergent and in some cases a hair dryer. But you shouldn't be losing any performance.
  • + 1
 @MTBKid27: There is a world of difference. You get what you pay for with any piece of gear.
  • + 1
 @dhx42: no, some of us argue that using such jacket for gravity MTB is a mistake in the first place. Even if it costed 100$.

@skycripp - off course you do. Too bad it goes to shreds without reinforcement layers from cordura or whatever... Because this is mountain biking. Everyone bails, sooner or later. You may as well say the same thing about Di2 rear mech. Or 260g carbon rim. Do you know how much tech went into that sht?! You get what you pay for.
  • + 0
 @zorba73: having children is considered 'growing up'? Why not find some inner space and contemplate a meaningful existence while manifesting a better-self? You get all these 'grown-ups' whom, have no idea what or why there doing things, and get caught up in trivial and compulsive interactions that ultimately starve their intuition to the point of mendacious impulses and repetitious living environments. Too many having kids, not enough people genuinely seeking a higher level of existence, as within so without
  • + 2
 @lehott: higher level of existence? The embrace of the unavoidable, penetrating gaze of the void? Stare in deeply but not too long...
  • + 1
 @lehott: you get all these young, naive types who have no idea what or why they’re doing things other than for themselves and get so caught up in changing the world they disappear up their own back sides and fail to make any meaning of their own existence let alone anyone else’s.

He said grow and and have kids. He didn’t say growing up is having kids. Something you wanna get off your shoulder? Oh right you already said it.

Chill man I’m just kidding. People be dicks with or without kids and vice versa.
  • + 1
 @WAKIdesigns: if you gaze upon the abyss, it will gaze back on you
  • + 1
 @lehott: no shit. Now, don’t be a pussy, stare in
  • + 1
 @rideonjon: The quality is definitely better than anything else on the market other than Mission Workshop in my opinion, but my shorts lasted exactly one crash at Sun Peaks. For how much they cost me that's embarrassingly pathetic, and my shop wouldn't offer any sort of replacement. Live and learn I guess. At the end of the day its still headed for the landfill to decompose over the course of 10,000 years like so many other products us environmentally conscious mtb'ers purchase.
  • + 2
 @mikekazimer: Thank you for this comparison. It spurred me to actually look at some of Gucci's coat options. Their website has some great suggestions for attractive fashion combinations for each jacket:

www.gucci.com/us/en/pr/men/mens-ready-to-wear/mens-jackets/monaco-bees-cotton-natte-jacket-p-527923Z336H4791?position=6&listName=ProductGrid&categoryPath=Men/Mens-Ready-To-Wear/Mens-Jackets
  • + 1
 @myfriendgoose: You should contact 7mesh.
  • + 1
 @WAKIdesigns: i meant $300 isn't exceptional for an outdoor jacket using a technical fabric, not $300 isn't much for a mtb jacket. I completely agree with what you're saying. I ride in a $50 jacket from decathlon that I've now torn and i couldn't care less that i sweat in it, id be sweating in a $500 jacket and it couldn't be breathable enough anyway.

one thing to mention here is that people will get more worried about getting wet the longer the ride is, and i'd bet the chances of someone choosing to wear a backpack increases the longer the ride is too.....so therefore compression of the backpack straps on the shoulders stops the technical layered fabrics from working and the jacket will wet out in those areas quite quickly, another reason not to bother with an expensive jacket for mtb.
  • + 1
 @skycripp: having worked alongside the repairs and warranty department of a well known UK manufacturer of high-end outdoor clothing, i just don't believe you. Sorry. I've even been in a meeting with the best known provider of after care products who admitted their products would never get a jacket back to the water repellency levels of a box fresh product.
  • + 1
 @oatkinso: I know this from my own experience and experience of hunters who came on Joe Rogan show. Merino wool on top of Synthetic underlayer works wonders down to just above freezing temperatures. So what you get wet when you stay warm? 1h into the climb you will be soaked from your sweat and leaking jacket anyways. If you do start getting cold, put on a light pocket jacket. It will keep warmth inside. Just keep moving, don’t stop to chat about bike parts for 30 minutes.
  • + 1
 @WAKIdesigns: I'm on the fence now....do a spend 140 odd on some waterproof bottoms? I totally agree with Marino it's worth the money. I wear it all year round.
  • + 1
 @oatkinso: if you apply a good dwr correctly it will be just as good if not better than before. Secret is in the heat.

also, to go off what @dhx42 said, a dirty jacket not only impedes performance on breathability, all those dirt particles hold onto water which then can soak through the membrane. Keep you jacket clean and PROPERLY treated and you can have an almost new jacket for years and years.

that being said I use a $150 dollar jacket for riding and regular life, retreat dwr about once every two months, wash in a tech wash a few times a month, hose down after every muddy session, and it works the same as the first day i got it two years ago.
  • + 1
 @HaydukeLives: last time I checked mountain bike jackets get dirty if you ride in them. Do you wash them mid ride? Sorry to be a dick but come on...

@klerric just try it. No rain cover just thick enough merino and synthetic compression layer. It is important that the synthetic sits tight against the skin. Loose polyester jersey won’t do the trick.
  • + 1
 @HaydukeLives: that's an insane amount of aftercare.
  • + 1
 @rideonjon: On your recommendation I did contact them and told them about the plight of my almost $300 shorts. I don't have a receipt as they were a gift, and no longer have the shorts as they were absolutely mangled, and they're still giving me %50 off the webstore! Might not seem like much, but I'm hyped.
  • + 1
 @myfriendgoose: Good to hear, they really do stand behind their product.
  • + 11
 They really should have called this the "earth wind and fire collection"

"Bad a Yah, tell me you remembered lad de da should have bought endura"
  • + 2
 I bought a pair of Endura Singletrack shorts this year. Worst purchase ever. I paid half the retail price and I still feel like I overpaid. The material seems to be of similar quality to my mate's Decathlon shorts which cost 1/5 the price of the Endura. I also broke a zipper way sooner than I would find acceptable. However, I am very happy with my Endura jacket.

Funnily enough, I find Fox clothing to be more durable than Endura, even though the popular opinion is opposite
  • + 1
 @nhp890: Endura are a weird company, buy the cheap stuff and it's amazing, buy the expensive stuff and it's somehow worse than the cheap stuff. The decade old Laser jacket I leave scrumpled up in the bottom of my pack is fine, but the MT500 jacket I bought last year is falling to bits, weird.
  • - 1
 It even comes in "dont shoot me yellow". Next year will be "I'm not a deer orange". Too soon?
  • + 8
 Why FOX, why...didn't you put a hood on that jacket? It's excellent but I can't buy a rain jacket without a hood...I use my 'cycling' gear for fishing, hiking, etc...Great looking jacket otherwise...
  • + 9
 yep, no hood = no thx
  • + 0
 just gives water another place to pool and infiltrate.
  • + 1
 Plus Fox always has HUGE logos. A huge rectangle encasing your brand name across the entire back? Brands that have no logos are always the the best.
  • + 6
 Yeah, comparing this jacket to something ridiculously priced in the first place (Patagonia) and then saying its a good price is a terrible argument. I went to cabelas and bought a goretex rain jacket with a lifetime warranty for 120. I've ripped it and taken it back and got a new one. It's breathable, plenty warm, and way cheaper than 300. Not to mention I got points back for making an in store purchase that I'll used towards my next purchase. 300 bucks no thanks.
  • + 1
 I’ve had similar good luck with REI branded clothing, their return policy is great and any purchase earns dividend points.
  • + 7
 I usually just retire an old rain jacket to the MTB. Current set up is a marmot. Nice marmot dude...
  • + 8
 Lets not forget Dude that keeping wildlife, um... an amphibious rodent, for... um, ya know domestic... within the city... that ain't legal either.
  • + 3
 So these companies are making 10 fold profit off of each of these pieces of clothing - yes, we realize they're made in Vietnam or China or Bangladesh for pennies. All of my gear is picked up on clearance sales, because I will absolutely not be paying full price for kit like this, and I have to imagine I'm probably in the majority, here. I'm sure companies have done the calculus on this with their bean counters, but I still speculate that dropping the prices on riding apparel would have many, many more people buying gear at full price instead of waiting to pick it up on sale. I guess gouging is more profitable, though.
  • + 2
 I have owned a few jackets for my soggy PNW winters and have been disappointed. All have been some sort of 3 layer membrane. My Endura MT500 may have been the worst and the most expensive fail. Does goretex have any real advantage over the others? It’s definitely a jump up in price.
  • + 1
 www.evo.com/guides/outerwear-waterproof-ratings-and-breathability

The MT500 is 18,000/64,000 and MTR is 20,000/40,000 for waterproofness/breathability, both around $200 USD. I don't think you're going to find a better ratio of performance to price out there. Thats a really high breathability rating for such good waterproofing. Gortex Active and eVent 3L are around 30K/30K waterproof and breathability, and Mountain Hardware's Dry.Q.Elite is suppose to be even better, and of course GoreTex Pro will be the best, but its much thicker and meant more for skiing and mountaineering. None will breath even close to the Endura, unless their ratings are way overblown. The Endura water ratings *should* last a couple of hours on a bike, unless its just downpouring. Are you making sure to wash, dry and retreat the DWR frequently on the jackets? Not hang drying either, but on high heat in the dryer. Super important to keep up the waterproofness.
  • + 1
 They demand top dollar for their product that I cannot personally justify when other brands put out better kit. Endura have been killing designs and technical kit like this at reasonable prices.

Fox kit quality wise personally has not been as high as I would expect even compared to cheaper kit, let alone the prices they charge.

It's a no from me. I'll buy it 40% off when the following years kit comes out.
  • + 4
 fox killing it with the pants again. loving the enduro pant and probably going to buy these for the proper rain days
  • + 1
 Overprized as most of the high in demand biking gear. The market wants it, the market gets it. Low quality material, mediocre manufacturing, acceptable design and professional branding. They wouldnt be able to do this prizing if it wouldnt be bought obviously. Still surprised to see some users here even defend companies like fox and do some pseudo business calculations to justify margins..whilst being ripped off. Ridiculous..
  • + 2
 ever handwashed Fox stuff? unbelivable what chemical arrears come out of it...by far the worst compared to royal, loose riders, endura, oneal (also not good), Pearl etc.. very low Quality, even at 50% off still too expensive
  • + 1
 I hope fox knows that any membrane based waterproof jacket will inheretly be windproof as well so unless the wind shell is considerably more breathable than the waterproof you might as well just overlook the wind shell and settle for the waterproof which is essentially 2 jackets in one
  • + 2
 I'll be wearing a garbage bag over a hoody before dropping $300 for a jacket. Especially one I am probably gonna destroy riding in....
  • + 3
 Except the hospital bill for the hypothermia you're going to get will probably be more than $300...
  • + 1
 Haha! Look at these prices!
There’s paying for quality, then there’s just being treated like a mug and ripped off.

$300 for a $100 jacket.. oh and you get to be a billboard for it too
  • + 4
 I do like the idea of having trail pants not just downhill pants
  • + 1
 I just picked up a Attack Fire Jacket (not the Pro) for $90 off of Fox's site, not losing sleep over the price, time will tell how it performs though.
  • + 2
 Thanks I’ll stick with my Leatt 4.0 for $139....oh and the hood is included with that particular RAIN jacket
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 I thought the 5.0 was the rain jacket. My 4.0 does not repel water.
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 For 300 bucks you can buy the best Dirtlej Suit.... And youve got a pant with it.

Looks a bit "odd" but way more reasonable than most jackets and pants.
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 I ride in an old sweater that my father gave me. It's warm enough for Fall days and keeps your skin intact when you fall.
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 It's either alpine stars or dianese thats gpt the killer stuff at great pricing...there was a write-up on pb and I couldn't believe the affordability..
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 Royal Racing always has sick prices on their gear.
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 Damn Fox gear is so overpriced...
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 Gotta pay to play. Looks like nice gear.
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 There seems to be an attempt to move away from moto style branding. Still terrible. Even the black kit is screaming FOX.
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 Riding pants are warm and fuzzy. Price not so much.
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 Plus, fox customer service sucks. Personal opinion.
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 No pit zips NFG!
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 A Pant. Pants? Trousers?
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 Hi-viz Yellow for the win! Hopefully not gonna be mistaken for a black bear or boar on the trail!
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 These comparisons are retarted ^

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