Randoms: FSA, SixSixOne, Magura, Ringle, & More - Garda Trentino 2019

May 6, 2019
by Daniel Sapp  
Welcome to Riva del Garda. Even in inclement weather, there's probably no more picturesque venue for a bike festival.

A cruise through the booths at Riva revealed a number of new products that have previously not been seen. We saw everything from cables integrated into handlebars and stems to custom brake decals, protection, new hubs, and what appears to be a new XC bike from Rose. Check out some details below.

FSA ICR (Integrated Cable Routing) System
FSA have had their K-force handlebar, in its current iteration, out for some time now. One thing that sets it apart from a lot of other bars are the holes on the bottom of it for internally routing Di2 cables. The debut of their ICR system, a stem that aids in routing cables through the bars, into the stem, and then into the frame, helps to eliminate cockpit clutter.

The ICR system, as shown here is currently OEM only, meaning you can't buy this exact setup aftermarket for mountain bikes at this time.

FSA have a lot of experience in developing headsets and do like to keep things neat and integrated whenever possible. Their new system allows for up to five cables or hoses to be run into the stem and through the frame from the handlebars. The system also allows for a much greater bar rotation without getting cable wrap. So, as long as your levers clear the top tube, you theoretically won't be stretching things out as you would be on a non-internal system when you're throwing down x-ups or bar spins on the trail.


There are three iterations of the new system. There is the ACR (Aerodynamic), ICR (Internal), and SCR (Semi-Internal). The ACR and ICR are currently only available OEM. The SCR is available aftermarket.

The ICR system on a prototype Torpado Matador


Magura's HC Loic Bruni Lever and Brake Customization Program
Magura has had some options for customization already by allowing riders to change out the rings on the brake caliper for different colors. They have now taken their options for customization to the next level by rolling out their #customizeyourbrake program. The feature on their website allows riders to make custom covers for the master cylinders on their levers and as far as options go, there are few limits. You can upload a picture, text, choose your country's flag, etc. on customizeyourbrake.com and make your brakes your own.

Want a country's flag or an image of your dog on your brakes? Magura has the answer.

Magura also had their new HC Loic Bruni brake lever here to check out. They worked with Loic to develop what he feels is the perfect brake lever for him and have brought it to market for anyone to purchase. Magura's large amount of options with brake levers allow riders to dial in the feel and power of their brakes to their liking.

The 3D printed prototype and the final product side by side. The HC Loic Bruni is best for riders with larger hands. It has a fairly strong bite point, longer reach, and a bigger grip area.

This chart shows the breakdown of how each of the levers change the feel of Magura's brakes.


Six Six One's New Recon Advance Jacket and DBO Elbow and Knee Pads

Six Six One was showing off a range of protection products including their new Recon Advance jacket and DBO elbow and knee pads. The Recon Advance jacket is ultralight at a claimed 1.87 lbs / .85kg for a size medium. The jacket has a light, breathable, and flexible Koroyd back plate that delivers EN 1621-2 protection as well as Astrotech elbow and shoulder impact components which provide EN 1621-1 protection.

There are also compression molded EVA pads placed for torso protection. All of the impact protections are removable so you can customize the fit. The jacket sleeves are 3/4 length.

The two layers of protection are joined together for maximum flexibility and can be pulled out for washing. Other protection inserts are removable as well.

The jacket is hydration bladder compatible with openings on both the left and right size for a hose. The compression fabrics are moisture wicking and there are stash pockets on the front and rear of the jacket to hold your Cheetos, candy bars, and other ride essentials. The jacket works with 661's padlock system to connect to their shorts. It will sell for $249.99 USD and is available in sizes S-XL.

Stash pockets front and back.

Six Six One's DBO knee and elbow pads are designed for downhill and all-mountain style riding. They are designed similarly to the Evergreen knee pad but are available at a more affordable price point. The knee pads sell for $74.99 and the elbow pads for $69.99 USD.

D3O T5 impact inserts provide EN1621:1 Level 1 protection. There is a single hook and loop strap, combined with neoprene lower sleeve, to keep the pads in place and secure.

Padlock connectors provide system interconnectivity with 661's protective shorts.


Ringle Hubs

Ringle is throwing it back and is once again its own stand-alone hub brand in the Hayes group. Sun Ringle still exists, but now, there's also Ringle. Some riders will remember the Bubba series hubs. Those names are back as well.

The Bubba is j-bend and available aftermarket as a hubset. The Super Bubba is straight pull and only available in built wheelsets from Ringle.

The hub's ratcheting mechanism is called Clock'd. What Clock'd is are the ratchet rings. There are six pawls on the freehub body and then two ratchet rings. The ratchet rings don't thread in, they drop in.

There are four lobes and four points on the ratchet ring and five on the hub. So you can line the rings up to have six pawls and eight degrees of engagement or three pawls and four degrees of engagement. Swapping things is easy, you just need a standard pin tool.

The two drive rings can be rotated to allow for either six pawls of contact a once and eight degrees of engagement or three pawls and four degrees.

If you're a strong rider that roasts freehub bodies or wants to run the hub on your electric bicycle, you can run the six pawl system. If you're looking for higher engagement, run it the other way.

The axle is now straight, there are no machined grooves in it to help prevent stress fractures and the bearings are the same for the front, rear, freehub body etc. It's a 6902 bearing, super common and you only need one for all of the hubs. Even with the double ring, it's lighter than Ringle's current hubs.

The standard hub color is black but there will be a limited run in the violet purple, as shown, the same color as when Ringle was making hubs 20 years ago.

Everything is easy to disassemble and is user serviceable, something the Hayes/Manitou/Ringle group seem to do exceptionally well.


Rose XC Bike?

In wandering around, I did find a new XC bike from Rose lurking in between some tents. It looks to be a high-end full suspension carbon XC rig, something currently absent in their line. I was able to get a photo but there was no other information available, and I wasn't allowed to get any closer to the bike itself.


94 Comments

  • + 32
 Whoa.
  • + 8
 Whoa x 2
  • + 0
 That’s right.
What brakes are those?
  • + 2
 *Tight
  • + 2
 @Pisgah4life: Trickstuff Piccola
  • + 1
 Mega whoa
  • + 1
 That is gorgeous and jaw dropping at the same time.
  • + 4
 thats cheating, they only had to hide three cables.
  • + 1
 @js11: Seems like a cool idea but wondering if cables in my bar/stem would effect handling. Fringe back in business. I still have a few single front hubs,, used to put them thru he'll.
  • + 1
 BEAUTIFUL.....but please don’t break
  • + 0
 @dobermon: It has a steering block, in the headset, just like Trek's Knock Block, which should work perfectly fine and not intervene with your riding. -It doesn't mine at least.
  • + 6
 @mountguitars: yeah pinkbike should track it down and do a review of it, what are the forks and shock I wonder
  • + 1
 What happens to the extra brake hose when the forks compress?
  • + 0
 damn that is fantastic
  • + 3
 @mark3: The fork and shock are from the small german brand intend. The shock is still a prototype but you can buy the fork already. The also have cool other parts.
www.intend-bc.com
  • + 0
 @H3Rider: great thanks for that,
  • + 1
 wow
  • + 1
 Just when the discussion about lock out and its extra cables is finally over, the industry throws in a curveball
  • + 1
 slick rick!
  • + 1
 Would sex...
  • + 1
 @mark3: pretty sure the guy that started Intend used to work for Trickstuff. So high end
  • + 31
 "Let's just swap out your rear brak--- oh."
  • + 13
 Seriously... did brake swaps on an older bike with external routed brake and it sure was nice!!
  • + 1
 Unfortunately I’ve seen more and more bikes with internally routed brakes anyway, so this setup won’t make much of a difference there.
  • + 1
 Got a new bike with external everything and people were saying 'why are the cables on the outside'? And it wasn't jokingly.
  • + 28
 Love FSA and their internal routing, but man that stem does not look like it belongs on a mountain bike.
  • + 1
 I don’t mind it, eapecially given what it does. That system is the type of innovation I want to see.
  • + 33
 @ninjatarian: Why is this innovation you want to see? If you change a brake you have to spend hours or take it to a shop? Are cables that unattractive that we want to sacrifice serviceability?
  • + 11
 @ninjatarian: the change you want to see is gimmick that has no real impact on your riding experience?
  • + 26
 Internal routing is a scourge. Try working on a time trial bike and come back and say internal routing, like this, is a great idea. It creates a situation where the bike works notably worse, due to sharp kinks in the housing, needs to be in perfect shape to work even acceptably well, wears out a lot faster and makes replacement many times harder.
  • + 3
 I think that internal routing is just ugly, and I seem to become completely missing the point why anyone would want to do that.
  • - 2
 @OTBSteve: yes, absolutely! Awful bloody things.

Changing cables is such a rare job, I can put up with it being more if a hassle to do.
  • + 3
 @Ktron: Yes, but would you at the same time want to do it more often?

Because the cables wear out faster, the way they are bend in that tight radius.
  • + 1
 @Chris97a: WHAT IF... there was internal housing integrated into a frame? Imagine built in internal "housings" that never needed to be changed, like a housing sized tube built directly into the frame. Anyone ever seen this?
  • + 3
 @man-wolf:
Yes that is a thing.

I believe it was the 1st Gen Kona Process had this for the rear derailleur. Had to replace the cable pretty often as the internal bit would fill up with water and grit.

There is probably a reason that many cyclocross racers, will choose to not route their cables through the frame if it has internal routing, and just zip tie them to the outside of the frame.
  • + 1
 I think FSA has studied the system to the be comfortable for MTB riders. I heard that this system presents no rotation limits
  • + 2
 @OTBSteve: it's a pain in the ass. Frickin hate internal cables/hoses
  • + 2
 @MarcPont1: No rotation limits? To the same degree that a dual crown fork presents no rotation limits?
  • + 26
 Anodized purple Ringle hubs with the new Manitou fork would look great on a Fat Chance Frame.
  • + 6
 Need the seat post and the expansion-wedge stem too! 120mm long please
  • + 5
 @twozerosix: Don't forget the bottle cage too.
  • + 4
 @zutroy: Oh man you're right. Had one of those. Utterly impossible to use.
  • + 4
 @twozerosix: Didn't matter one bit, cause they were rad.
  • + 4
 @bishopsmike: They were rad. Just recalling the PITA to install (cause the bolt location wasn't easily accessible), the 'tightness adjustment' with the slotted bolt holes, and how they scuffed the logos off every bottle. Mine was turquoise!
  • + 5
 I have a restored '94 Fat Chance Yo! Eddy in Team Violet with its original Manitou and Ringle turquoise everywhere.
  • + 1
 @twozerosix: I'm still running a purple & a gold one on my HT. You can't hurry them, but you'll never lose a bottle.
  • + 15
 Somebody help me out here. Why would you ever need to route your cables threw your stem on a bike you can't bar spin.
  • + 12
 Looks cleaner? Protects them when crashing, less things to catch on when hike a bike through dense bush?

I'd run ten through the whole bar with zero cable visible if I could.

But yeah, it's not a must for sure.
  • + 8
 Can‘t help you there, in my opinion it is just to show off. I rather be able to change the brakes quickly but then I would not ride such a boutique bike.
  • - 2
 Probably aimed primarily at the pro XC market - seems to run shorter cables (= gram savings), plus the aerodynamic factor of cleaner cockpit. Sucks to be a mechanic on team Internal Bar Routing though...
  • + 0
 @Milko3D: It doesn't protect them when crashing. Because the hoses route down the back of the steerer you cannot turn the bars fully, so when you crash and they want to spin around guess what will happen...
  • + 0
 @timbud: well, I guess we'll know soon enough, I just like the idea. Perhaps v2 would solve some of the issues.

But consider this, if the bar has exactly the same amount of spin, cables are inaide so they should be more protected from being pulled/damaged by external factors.
  • + 1
 @Milko3D: full spin isn’t possible unless fsa haven’t managed to design a good hydraulic gyro.

Go to your local Giant dealer and see how far you can turn the bars on a Propel disc. Or a Trek dealer and Madone...

This is not a bad system by any means, but it is not that goid either. For roadies its great. For mtb not so much... yet
  • + 1
 *have managed
  • + 1
 @timbud: didn't say full spin.

Anyway, there's no need to argue, it'll be out and there will be reviews and if there's value in it it'll survive to see gen2 if not we'll stick to cables outside or AXS, simple as that Smile
  • + 1
 @Milko3D: just because this is a discussion on pb does not arguing matey Wink

Anyway you said “exactly the same spin” so I assumed you meant as a normal setup which has full spin.

That said my point is that (from real world experience of similar setups on aero road bikes) this will not protect hosing in crashes. If anything it makes it worse.
  • + 8
 You have to wonder how cables inside the stem may affect steering. Also have to question whether cable-movement rub will cause wear inside that you won't be able to detect until failure occurs. With carbon bars and stems often weighing under 150gms (some even lighter) I like to be able to clearly identify any problems on the outside.
  • + 1
 How can I bar spin now?
  • + 2
 I agree with you on the cable rub causing internal wear on the handlebar is a major concern. I had the original Ibis Ripley and had unknowing cable rub on the steerer (due to how they routed the cables through the head tube). I discovered the cable had sawed about 1/2 way through the steerer when I went to have the fork serviced. I was lucky as I missed the notice when Ibis released the fix for this. So yes, cable rub is a real thing.
  • + 3
 @merlin33:
That funny steel sleeve thing to save the steerer was a pretty silly but effective fix. Probably would have been better to realize someone was going to put a fork on the bike though during the design process.
  • + 8
 I love it that Ringle is back and I think the Hayes group deserve more credit than they do right now, BUT:

I also believe that while bringing 3D violet (the name of that color) back, bringing back old names isn't the best idea. It's the same with the Judy at RockShox, the LTS with GT and don't get me even started at all the ”retro styling” in the car industry that screams nothing more than ”total lack of imagination”. Let the past be the past, don't alter it with recycling a name. What if the new product will suck? You will taint the old one too, by using the same name. It can't be that hard to find some product names, really. And mountainbiking has always been creative in this department.

Otherwise, I also don't get the existence of Ringle and Sun-Ringle alongside each other. The actual ”good old days” were when these two entities were totally separated, when Sun still made high quality rims in the USA and Ringle was the icon it still is with the retro community.

Otherwise, I wish Hayes all the best and hope they will rise again, because we need more than this kinda boring Shimano/SRAM/Fox dominance on the key parts market. Oh, and how I'd like Marzocchi to have some personality again, other than a poor man's Fox... * keeps fingers crossed for Manitou too *

Mx
  • + 5
 At least they seem to be bringing some innovation to the table and not solely relying on nostalgia points.
  • + 1
 @dingus: I agree with you on that. I guess you have probably noticed the oldschool logos on the new Manitou forks too, right? Big Grin
  • + 1
 Those are good points. The brand names will carry so many connotations and associations from the past it will be impossible to review a product on its own merits. Better to be "the new company from the people who started Company X" and then drop a few old-skool collabs to squeeze out a few more dollars.
  • + 2
 Judy's always sucked though so probably no harm to be done there!
  • + 6
 Can someone pick up one of the Ringle hubs and spin it for me? I want to see if it sounds like a thousand million bees like every other brand trying to pierce my ear drums at the moment.
  • + 0
 Ringle were the original swarm of angry bees/ball bearings in a blender hubs so I would say it probably does.
  • + 1
 It doesn’t. It’s more chill.
  • + 1
 @danielsapp my new bike has a basic shimano hub. The dead spacebetween pedal strokes is annoying. Drives me nuts.
  • + 7
 @bizutch: A pirate walks into a bar with a steering wheel sticking out the front of his pants
The bartender looks at him and asks, "Hey, you know you have a steering wheel sticking out of the front of your pants?"

Pirate looks at him and says, "Argh it's driving me nuts"
  • + 1
 @goroncy: "Squirrel"
  • + 4
 Hydraulic brake hoses come out of the lever in the same location it did when we had to use cables and barrel adjusters. In the name of shorter cable loops and cleaner cockpits wouldn't it be pretty easy to have the port on the master cylinder be right next to the bar clamp so that he hose lies flat against the bar. Seems like one of those things that nobody thought to change but could be better.
  • + 1
 The Maguras in this article have the hoses pretty near to the bar, they'd just have to change the angle to follow it, But I reckon with most frame routing you'd still need to loop forward at some point to get enough steering angle
  • + 2
 My 661 Kyle Strait knee pads were the most comfy pads I ever wore. Nothing I've tried has ever come close (apart from those Race Face padded lycra arm warmers, but they don't count). I stocked up on them when I heard they were discontinued. You could pedal in them all day, race DH or the Megavalanche and fit them under you jeans for done street riding.
  • + 3
 I’m curious how the cables/hoses make their way from the inside of the stem into the frame? Does it go around the steerer? Or does a hole have to be cut into the steerer as well?
  • + 21
 @Naturel: somebody woke up on the sassy side of the bed today.
  • + 3
 It comes out of the frame or even external cable routing to the bottom front of the stem. Then it goes up and out through the handlebars. It might be cleaner but looks to be a pain and unnecessary.
  • + 1
 seems to go right into the frame, would also explain why its oem only and why the frame is labeled prototype. My guess would be that its routed through the headset and past the steerer, directly into the frame.
  • + 4
 FSA should rename the K-Force handlebar The Nightmare.
  • + 4
 Aren't those 661's knee guards are very simmilar to Race Face's Ambush?
  • + 4
 They look it. But the Race Face you can put on/off without taking your shoes off.
  • + 2
 Is koroyd flexible? That back panel looks like someone just stuffed plywood in the pocket.
  • + 3
 Cables on the outside = the future
  • + 3
 Rose bike looks epic.. Nice.
  • - 1
 Yeah it does look like a clone Wink
  • + 1
 That jacket is super intresting if you finally can carry a bladder and back protector at the same time! New Rose looks like a KTM.
  • + 0
 Wouldn't the FSA stem make it an absolute pain in the ass to put your bike in a bike bag to fly? I need the freedom of the cables to strap the bars down the side of the fork...
  • + 1
 "Even with the double ring, it's lighter than Ringle's current hubs"
And that weight is?
  • + 1
 YT posted up like "Hey come see our Rider."
  • + 0
 But what about bar spins?
  • - 1
 I want to try out those Super Bubba hubs. As a lard ass who enjoys his bike they sound like a good idea.
  • - 1
 Is the price on the new Ringle Huns known?
  • - 1
 Choose your brake lever and be a dick about it :-)

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