First Look: GT's 2020 Force 29 Gets Big Wheels & More Travel

Aug 2, 2019
by Mike Levy  



What is it and what's it for?

In a nutshell, this is GT's 29" wheeled version of their Force, the bike that Martin Maes had been using to step on the rest of the EWS field before he was interrupted by that infected leg gash, a ''potential loss of limb situation,'' and the UCI's inability to think rationally. Anyway, the Force 29 platform gets 150mm of rear wheel travel and 170mm forks across the three-bike range, all of which are aluminum. GT doesn't call it an enduro bike, but that'd pretty much sum it up.

In GT's own words: ''The Force 29 is for riders who prefer descending and like to go fast. It hits that sweet spot right in between all-mtn and dh, it’s low fuss and provides more versatility than a dual crown bike.'' So yeah, it's an enduro bike. If you want to know more about the 27.5" Force, Kazimer rode one in Norway awhile back and wrote about it.

Force 29 Details

• Intended use: all-mountain / enduro
• Travel: 150mm rear / 170mm front
• Wheel size: 29"
• Frame material: aluminum
• Adjustable geometry
• Head angle: 65-degrees
• Seat angle: 77-degrees
• MSRP: $2,700 / $3,700 / $4,700 USD
• More info: www.gtbicycles.com


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The 150mm of rear-wheel travel is controlled by a Horst Link system, and all three models get 170mm-travel forks.


It sure looks like the current Force...

Good eye, Sherlock, but it's an all-new frame from tip to tail that's been designed specifically for big wheels. What about Maes using a 29" front wheel on his EWS race bike? He's actually on 27.5" Force with a 29er fork and wheel, not a carbon version of the Force 29 that we'll surely see at some point down the trail.

You probably also spotted the same LTS ''Linkage Tuned Suspension'' system, although GT says they've made some kinematic changes to have it better suit big wheels. The latest incarnation of their LTS design is very not GT-like in its straightforwardness; it's a Horst Link system driven by a big rocker that, unlike many of their previous layouts, isn't trying to pull some kind of trick. It's also a layout that GT is using on everything from their Sensor trail rig to their Fury DH bike.

Our own Dan Roberts took a deep and dorky dive into the 27.5'' Force's kinematics, and while they're obviously different bikes, the two are basically blood relatives whose suspension will perform similarly on the trail.
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These three letters might trigger some memories, depending on your age and experience.

All three Force 29 platforms come from GT with air-sprung shocks, but the bike is said to be compatible with the linear action of a coil as well. That said, we might have to slap one on the bike to check, as the 27.5" Force doesn't have a ton of built-in progression.



Force 29 Geometry

Not surprisingly given that it has the same intentions as the 27.5" Force, the new big-wheeler gets some modern geometry numbers that make a lot of sense, with a few exceptions. First, the good: there's a 65-degree head angle that's fitting, a 77-degree seat angle, and a 475mm reach on our large-sized test bike. Those all seem about right given the action the Force 29 is meant to see, but the relatively tall seat tube and standover height aren't ideal.

For comparison's sake, the large-sized Force 29's 460mm seat tube is 30mm longer than what you'll find on a large-sized Santa Cruz Megatower, and my underside tells me that the 770mm standover is way too high. In fact, my underside contacts the top tube when I have both feet flat on the ground.

It also gets the same geometry adjustment chip at the lower shock mount; flipping it provides 6mm of change at the bottom bracket and a half a degree at the head tube.


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The ready-for-action Pro model that we'll eventually review comes with a Grip2-equipped Fox 36 and a chainguide.

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No excuses for messing up the sag.



The Force 29 Trio

GT's new Force 29 can be had in three flavors to match your bank account and your needs, all of which are based off the same aluminum frame. The bike pictured here is the Pro model that comes with a not-that-pro GX Eagle 12-speed drivetrain, but that did give GT some room to have $4,700 USD bike ride on Fox's best dampers and that counts for a whole lot more. The 170mm-travel 36 Float Performance Elite doesn't have the showy Kashima coating that you'd never notice in a blind test, but it does have the four-way adjustable Grip2 damper that actually matters. There are four matching damper adjustments out back, too, courtesy of the Float X2 shock.

It's this exact bike that we'll be testing in the 2019 Pinkbike Field Test later this summer.


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The Expert (left) goes for $3,700 USD, while $2,700 USD will get you the Elite model (right).


For $1,000 less than the Pro model, the Expert runs an NX 12-speed drivetrain and a Fox 36 Float Performance paired with a DPX2 shock. At $2,700 USD, the Elite is the least expensive Force 29, and that'll get you a Marzocchi Bomber Z1 fork, a DPX2 shock, and 12-speeds via SRAM's new SX Eagle drivetrain.


137 Comments

  • + 27
 I'm absolutely curious to know, was Maes running the mullet only because GT didn't have a full 29er available? Or was the mullet genuinely that good? I have a sneaky feeling he'll switch to this rig soon.

Then again, that beast Maes could win on a Penny-Farthing ( the OG mullet! )
  • + 7
 I reckon Maes was running a Mullet 'cause that's all they had at the time, liked it uber slack, thus we see a 64.5° 29'er.
Would've like to see maybe +10mm more in the rear, but would give her a pedal anyway to see.

Like the understated simplicity of the Forece, esp. on the elite model with the red bombers, nice!!
  • + 4
 Haven't had a GT lots in 28 years. Great to see them back in the game.
  • + 10
 He straight up said that he tried the 29 front and rear and it wasn't as playful for him, and he felt more agile having the 27.5 on the back.. I remember this at the last EWS he raced because he went into explicit detail about why he wasn't running 29 front and rear
  • - 4
flag airsoftesneeto (Aug 2, 2019 at 9:03) (Below Threshold)
 100% it was because they didnt have 29 inch bike.
  • + 2
 How the f would anyone on this website know anything like that lol
  • + 4
 @Jaybirdy: he did say that. IME 29 front and 27.5 rear is the best of both world solution.
  • + 1
 @aceface17: There is a video where someone asks Martin's mechanic why he's on a Mullet bike and he says something to the effect of "Because GT doesn't have a proper long travel 29er yet"
  • + 2
 I'd imagine there are two reasons: It's the bike he's used to and it'd be understandable if he didn't want to change, and it might not have been quite ready yet. And they probably want him on the bike that was available at the time.
  • + 1
 @mikelevy: I can see that- Tho he did Clearly State his reasons in his last EWS race interview about the bike, but I think it's more what bike he wanted himself on than what bike GT wanted him on.
  • + 27
 Give me that cheap one. Holy crackers and cheese Batman, what a value. Plus, anyone who rides that thing will have a ripper of time purely because of the Bomber.
  • + 0
 You sure you want the only MTB drivetrain worse than NX? Though TBF correcting the problem with an "old" 11 speed SLX/XT mix'll take well less than $1,000
  • + 6
 @mnorris122: "worse" it may be, but drivetrains wear out and derailleurs get broken regardless of spec. It works and you can always spend as much money as you want on the replacement when it inevitably wears out... considerably after the higher spec cassettes with alloy rings do.
  • + 1
 @mnorris122: You just throw away the drivetrain and put a proper 9X one, sell the 29" wheelset and get a proper 27.5 from Sun Ringle and you are golden! Easy!
  • + 1
 What's this SX group?
  • + 2
 @railin: Hot garbage.
  • + 19
 $2700 for a complete bike available at a shop... and people are still complaining. That's $1k less than a yeti frame... and it's a complete bike. This will be a great option for new riders looking for their first or second full suspension.
  • + 9
 Or experienced riders who realize cheap stuff is excellent these days and the thrill of top spec wears off a lot faster than the bank account gets filled back up. When I have the money I buy two base model bikes instead of one top spec. I always run custom suspension and cockpit. Base model frames, drivetrains, droppers and suspension “Chassis” are all very good.
  • + 16
 That Elite model looks (dare I say it) sweet value, certainly up there in regards to spec and geometry for the price
  • + 10
 Black color, good suspension.. yes!
  • + 15
 Most expensive model under $5k. Love the pricing...mountain bikes for the people!
  • + 8
 No Shimano = No sale! @ $2,700 there should at least be an SLX option.

SRAM SX? What is that? Equivalent of Alivio but 12spd?
  • + 2
 When I see those SRAM GX/NX/SX, I'ts so cringy. they look so cheap and they'r so expensive, and people all breaking it all the time - I think it's the ultimate gold mine for SRAM getting these as standard on most bikes. But yeah SLX is such a nice product for the price, you can get the upgrade for under 300 euro and 400ish with cranks, brakes+rotors! And the quality... : )
  • + 3
 @t-stoff: I'm not going to spend $2,700 (or any amount of money) to swap parts out right off the bat. That would be stupid and contributing to the 'throw away' society we have become/are becoming.
  • + 14
 Yup, pretty much. Fingers crossed, Shimano can get their new SLX 7100 out there, and get bike specs and prices back where they should be.

Sram has proven that overall, the general bike-buying public does not care/understand/pay attention to group-set hierarchy/bike spec level. Features and buzzwords sell bikes, not quality or incremental performance advantages. Especially if you rename your product lines every few years, and brand them so they look and sound identical. Bonus points for making them all shift like a can opener, so nobody can tell the difference. To your average consumer, X01=GX=SX... who even knows? They all feel the same, testing the bike around a parking lot. They are all black, have “12 speed” “EAgLE tEChNologY!!” “500%!!” emblazoned proudly. People see that, and hand over their money.

Again, I remain hopeful, but I’m a bit worried that Shimano doesn’t have the sly marketing edge to compete with that, in the largely image-based world of MTB. They are a very conservative company. They’ve had the same basic product lines since the 1980’s. Even if they have a significantly better value, and thoroughly engineered product, are they willing to make an ass of themselves and come up with a ‘sick’ patriotic-sounding bird name to sell it with?
  • + 5
 Since all that new SLX just came out, it may have too late to get 2020 OEM spec... Or, not enough to go around.. I run GX.. Wasn't too keen on it until I rode it.. I feel its pretty solid. NX... If I had to run it, I would at least spend a few extra bucks for the GX shifter for a little better feel.. SX.... There is a point at which you are trying to get the price too low... SRAM may have found that point..
  • + 11
 @t-stoff: GX is not i the same category as NX/SX. It's much better quality and is really all you need unless you are a weight weanie and have money to blow
  • + 2
 @alreadyupsidedown: many shimanos on Rocky Mountain next year. www.bikes.com
  • + 5
 @alreadyupsidedown: shouldnt you be pleased you can hardly tell the differnce between gx n xx1 or xo? I mean they are offering almost the same "feel" as the top stuff just with some heft. Sram was able to realse a crazy affordable groupo in the nx before shimano even had a 12 spd for public. N it works pretty damn good. Im back to to gx 11spd with ethirteen cassette on my 2019 bike cause i have to say the 11spd stuff is perfect.
  • + 1
 @m1dg3t: I know, me neither, that's why I hate when brands shove it down their line up without the possibility of a frame only option.

@alreadyupsidedown "To your average consumer, X01=GX=SX... who even knows? They all feel the same, testing the bike around a parking lot. They are all black, have “12 speed” “EAgLE tEChNologY!!” “500%!!” emblazoned proudly. People see that, and hand over their money."

ahah you're on point!!!
Same thing was for the fork series; all black, all looked the same.
  • + 5
 @doctorfuzzz: Well... I don’t think any of it feels that great. But, that’s my subjective preference, and doesn’t really matter. Over all you’re definitely right. Functionality has trickled down. Cheap bikes that once had V brakes went to mechanical disc, and now you can get hydraulic brakes for the same cost.

What bothers me specifically is the bait and switch method of constantly releasing newer group sets that claim to have the same features for less money- (Except they dont- with no XD driver, NX and SX do not offer the 500% range Eagle was supposed to offer) but instead of passing those savings on to the consumer, they just use the cheaper part in place of the original, and reap the profits. It’s painful to see a 2018 bike model go up in MSRP for 2019... And go down in component quality. Sram’s particular product branding methods serve to obfuscate these cuts in quality, by painting everything the same colour and giving them similar names. They do it with RockShox too, as @t-stoff pointed out.

End of the day, all the bikes work great and the world will keep going round, it’s just annoying to watch as an informed person in the market for a new bike. Nobody wants to pay more for less. As much as I dislike SRAM, this is Shimano’s fault for not staying on top, and allowing SRAM to exploit a perceived first-to-marketing advantage.
  • + 1
 @alreadyupsidedown: and you can see it clearly, well this is just a guess, but SRAM/RockShox really had to step up the game with the new lyric red color. You see everyone was like raving the orange FOX's (even the kashima coating) or the green DVOs while poor RS users (like me as I have a Pike on one of my bikes) were getting blend black forks that were more or less the same as the rest of the range, year of release, features, etc
Sure it would pass as a new one, or as "normal" Pike, but it really felt completely uninspired and boring.
And this all comes from a brand that gave us the yellow Judy SL the red Judy DH and the blue SID. Recognizable and dreamy things of our teen years.
  • + 2
 @lumpy873: Lots of Giants are coming with 7100 or 8100 for 2020.
  • + 3
 @m1dg3t: Dude I see where your coming from and agree somewhat. However 27 hundo for the frame, fork and shock is an outstanding deal. Even if it's a performance shock and bomber fork. If I was going to buy this bike I would sell my old frame with a brand new Sram drivetrain and brakes... And use my old xt/slx crap on the new frame. Nothing is going to the landfill.
  • + 3
 @m1dg3t: I think you’re off here man. I did this recently, it was easy to sell the take off stuff and I ended up with the exact spec I wanted. Nothing was thrown out and I save a ton of money.
  • + 5
 You need to realize that a bike at $2700 isn't going to have the perfect spec. Spending less money on the drivetrain let them put the excellent DPX2 and Marzhocchi Bomber on the bike, parts that are not usually seen at this price point. At least to me, having a well damped bike is much more important than having slightly smoother shifting.
  • + 2
 @rowanlewis: Agreed. Drive trains are more or less wear and tear parts if we break a bike down to basics. I'd rather see nice suspension on a bike then a drivetrain... "Does it work? Oh wow, it has almost the range of the higher end eagle stuff? Perfect, sign me up."
  • + 1
 @mnorris122: just started carrying Giant, so I haven't looked at all the 2020 spec yet...
  • + 1
 @rowanlewis: can only give a plus 1, but that post needs a plus 100!
  • + 3
 @rowanlewis: You need to realize that I've been riding MTBs since they were glorified road bikes with bigger tires. If you think I'm going to quietly accept department store level drivetrain on a $2,700 bicycle you are nuts. They hit the nail on the head with the suspension spec, but dropped the ball bigtime with the drivetrain.

SLX should be the bare minimum on a bike at this level. It wasn't long ago when we could regularly get SLX mix with an XT rear mech at this pricepoint. Sometimes even lower. Bicycle prices have sky rocketed lately and the general public just laps it up like good plebs.
  • + 2
 @m1dg3t: Basically this. My 2013 Canyon Nerve 9.9 came with full XT drive train and Fox Factory/Performance fork/shock for 2600,- euro including VAT. My 2014 CF Capra Comp had X01 1x11 including the cassette with RF cranks for 3600,- euro including VAT.

Sram GX is a meh group set. Kind of passable for the price and I can respect it on the $2000 to $3500 bikes but IME shifter feels crap compared to X01/XX1 and at least on the 11 speed versions the GX rear derailleur had a tendency to wear out the pivot points in less then one season and became a rattling POS that is impossible to adjust properly (had 3 go out like that). GX eagle cranks are actually OK for the price (especially considering how much SRAM asks for eagle chain ring).

NX/SX is pure garbage and seeing it on any bike that costs more than $1000 just makes my blood boil. Sram just does not know how to make reliable/decent budget stuff. They always end up with something that is just way too crappy and still rather expensive for what it is.
  • + 2
 @m1dg3t: So a clutched, 1x12 with huge range is "department store quality". What department store bikes are you riding? It's a little heavy sure, but it'll shift and hold onto the chain. What more could you want out of a drivetrain?

Like I already said, in order for them to get the suspension spec that they did, they had to cut costs in other places. SX is priced to compete with Deore, not SLX. Deore isn't super high quality either, so it's understandable that they went with Eagle instead. If the bike had SLX and XT, we would most likely be looking at a build with rhythm 34 and a non-piggyback shock. Take your pick.
  • + 6
 Good job GT on building a solid bike with 3 well thought out builds. I like to see GT spending money on their builds where it matters... Suspension and brakes.

At $2700 you get REALLY good suspension, SX Eagle (you can break the SX and get GX for $150), and 4 piston brakes (Tektro can't be that bad).

On the $3700 build, while it has NX... its just the shifter and derailleur. They give you a Formula hub with XD driver on Flow hoops, and a XG1275 cassette. The rest of the spec is good value including good suspension and TRP brakes.
  • + 6
 I'm impressed on how GT is changing through the years, I mean, before I use to look at GT like a secondary bikebrand, because I didn't really like the frames, I found theme cheap-looking almost walmart bikes. Now, the new designer since the new GT Fury is making an absolute great job. This brand definitely caught my attention now. Nice job.
  • - 5
flag Shartriloquist (Aug 2, 2019 at 3:30) (Below Threshold)
 I don’t refute what you’re saying, but I think much of this perception is likely due to Maes tearing it up their bikes. If they had a handful of shlubs lost in the lower end of the standings, I’m not sure if their bikes would be receiving the renaissance in consumer perception that they are currently.
  • + 12
 At one point in the late 90's, GT was the best selling MTB brand in the world. They had to most bad ass team at the time and ruled in every discipline. Unfortunatly, after the passing of Richard Long, one of the co-founders, the brand was pretty much adrift for the most part of the 00's. They got picked up by CSG, wich is the pretty much the mothership for Cannondale, and were treated like a red headed stepchild. Since last year they are reviving the brand and I can only hope they will rekindle the fire and appeal to a younger generation. Oh well, just some nostalgic wandering... I'm sure there are better bikes out there, but I guess this one will do the job for most of us.
  • + 5
 @NinetySixBikes: If you didn't have a GT or a Kona you couldn't be rad. Them were the days...
  • + 3
 As NinetySixBikes said, GT was at the forefront of mtb "back then". One of the few brands selling a DH bike, always groundbreaking new designs, from the RTS to the STS and LTS, new materials like thermoplastic... Of course things weren't always without problems, but that's part of innovation and it was part of the spirit of the time. Now every brand offers almost the same bike and it's a bit disappointing to see brands like GT and Cannondale stepping back to run-of-the-mill designs, but if that's what works in the current market...
  • + 0
 @DavidGuerra: yeah, it's like they figure it out the way to sell overpriced bikes without the effort or risk (call it boldness) of the 90s. Bikes those days were stuff of dreams, unique, now it's such a boredom and they get "old" really fast. Not sure if any of these will become a classic, that says a lot
  • + 5
 "Our own Dan Roberts took a deep and dorky dive into the 27.5'' Force's kinematics". And said that bike has too little AS and that PK does not matter. So, as a fresh user of a 29er bike with too much AS, and previous user of 26 inch a bike with little AS I can tell you that Dan Robert is completely wrong. Bikes with relatively low AS and PK ride much better in rough terrain and imagine that the said 26 inch bike from 2013 rode better than said 29er from 2019 in the rough! (and 29 has higher grade suspension with coil in the back)There is more to it: axle path and lower chain growth. The latter is related to pivot placement and the lower the pivot above the BB, the lower AS but the lower the chain growth. To see what I mean, try disabling rear mech clutch (if you can).
  • + 2
 AS and PK is BS
  • + 4
 Dan Roberts is not the expert in Kinematics PB makes him out to be
  • + 3
 What 29" bike is that? I for one don't fancy pedal squat, and will not ask for super easy ride in the rough if that means having to deal with squat. Of course that there can also be such a thing as too much AS.
  • + 4
 Well said lkubica, I can't believe that guy used to work at Scott, but thank god he's not there anymore!

It should be obvious to anyone who designs bikes that high AS bikes have a low sensitivity and reactivity due to the constant extension/contraction of the clutched RD. Anyone who's looking at AS numbers in CAD and thinking "oh jolly good, 120% AS with a 32/21, this thing is going to pedal like a hardtail" should never work in the bike industry again. After 5 minutes on such a bike it's obvious to anyone who's got a clue that sensitivity (grip) has been clearly compromised in favour of pedalling efficiency, and that the latter is far better controlled with hydraulic damping and learning to not pedal like a mountain gorilla on 1000mg of testosterone.
  • + 3
 Can’t trust any of the technical discussions happening on PB. Always full of poor assumptions and obvious contradictions. One thing I know for certain is GT LTS bikes ride great!
  • + 2
 @jclnv: Increasing low speed compression does help, but it also decreases suspension performance in the roughest parts. One can't have it all so what's worse, a little pedal kickback or a firmer feeling shock that's also "rattling" you more? I think AS should always be above 100%, but ideally only by a slight amount.
  • + 1
 @jclnv: look at Scott’s old gambler’s pivot placement and it wasn’t obvious they didn’t give a shit about antisquat or pedal kick
  • + 3
 @DavidGuerra: No, no, no, no!

I can turn off compression damping, I can't turn off pedal feedback.
  • + 1
 @kleinblake: I wonder if that's why the bike was almost universally hated....
  • + 3
 Wondering what the weight on the frame is. I'm no weight weenie, but it seems as if long travel 29ers are just pigs. My Sentinel frame was 10lbs for chirst's sake! That vs 6.5lbs Ripmo frame starts to make carbon look a lot more attractive. 8ish lbs like the Commencal's seems right for alloy to me.
  • + 1
 Good question. I think the medium carbon 27.5 frame without a shock was 6.4 lbs according to Fanatik. GT has always overbuilt their stuff. My LTS sensor was hands down the stiffest full suspension I’ve ever rode. Way more laterally stiff than DH bikes even.
  • + 7
 fuck me that elite is gonna sell like hot cakes
  • + 2
 It seems to me that GT hasn't gotten an outright positive review on Pinkbike in a long time, with the exception maybe of the Fury 29's review by @paulaston and the Sanction review by @mikelevy, way back in 2014. This article doesn't seem at all stoked either on the Fury 29 either.

Compared with another brand like Santa Cruz or YT (both of which seem to always get a glowing review), are GT bikes really that below par?
  • + 2
 I think this bike might get average reviews too. It will be interesting to see when they come out. This bike will suit people with long arms and legs comparative to height. I could make this bike work for me but I'm a freak. 178cm height but 190cm wingspan. I would still need to raise the bars quite a bit to get my weight back because of the long chainstays on the size large but XL might work for me or someone tall with normal arms. I think shorter riders with normal arms will struggle with the reasonably low stack and long chainstays.
  • + 2
 mega didnt get all the glowing review either
  • + 14
 @Verbl-Kint we didn't get along with the Sensor we tested last year (probably in part due to a poor choice of shock tune on their first run of bikes), but we're pretty excited to try this one. We absolutely love the trend of a mid-level alloy enduro bike with proper suspension.

Curious to see how it stacks up against the (mostly pricier) competition in the Field Test this year!

As for Santa Cruz, we do generally like their bikes but Kaz wasn't overwhelmed by the Megatower's performance in our most recent review of theirs: www.pinkbike.com/news/review-santa-cruz-megatower-2019.html

We did like the YT Capra, but thought it gave up some suspension capability in rough terrain to its high pivot competitors: www.pinkbike.com/news/review-yt-capra-29-cf-pro-race.html
  • + 3
 @brianpark: Didn't someone post that they were putting more time on the Sensor with the new shock tune? Did that just never happen?
  • + 0
 "We did like the YT Capra, but thought it gave up some suspension capability in rough terrain to its high pivot competitors: www.pinkbike.com/news/review-yt-capra-29-cf-pro-race.html"

LOL!
  • + 1
 @MarcusBrody: yep, we've had a few other bikes on our plates... Smile
  • + 3
 @brianpark: well if you ever need someone to help bear the load, I can give an address to send a few of the unloved extras...
  • + 2
 I hope, for the sake of the general direction of the sport, that this lower priced but capable GT is the shape of things to come from all manufacturers. Affordable bikes that ride well. Sounds like the way I'd like to see things.
  • + 1
 Congratulations GT (Dorel), I mean YT Wink The industry is trying to compete with YT (and Commencal, etc.) price points, they're getting close to the quality spec for price. $2700 for basically an updated AL Jeffsy geometry, you got my attention GT. I like this over a Cannondale Habit too, when comparing Dorel bikes. That Marz Z1 w/ DPX2 is a great deal, nice cheap solid ripping bike. IDK about SX and Tektro brakes though, those would probably end up being new take offs.
  • + 2
 Nothing wrong with that. Someone will snap up those take offs if you price them cheap. You can get the exact spec you want and still have a banger deal.
I’d really like to see the frame only price on these. The carbon 27.5 version at $1900 was an absolute bargain. If this frame went for $1000 it’d be a genius buy.
  • + 2
 @Purpledragonslayer: oh yeah, a frame only would/will be super cheap I bet
  • + 0
 @Purpledragonslayer: I have a brand new x5 groupset take off are you interested? LoL

No, because it's crap.

This stuff is bin worthy.
  • + 5
 I hope frameset only avalaible in Europe...
  • + 4
 I wish @GTBicycles was more into selling frames than full bikes, I already have a decent spec bike I don't wanna trade for mine for a SX/NX and sub-par wheels, just give me the frame.
  • + 3
 @t-stoff: this would make an excellent frame upgrade!
  • + 4
 It looks like a normal bike !
  • + 3
 in case of GT, I would say that's a welcome change
  • + 0
 "''potential loss of limb situation,'' and the UCI's inability to think rationally. " Hmmm, pretty sure someone that is at risk for losing their limb isn't out winning EWS races....but good try PB. And as a nurse that has taken care of many people that have lost their limbs, not really sympathetic to busted pro athletes ridiculous excuses.
  • + 1
 Fair points for sure
  • + 0
 Funny how ''The Force 29 is for riders who prefer descending and like to go fast. It hits that sweet spot right in between all-mtn and dh, it’s low fuss and provides more versatility than a dual crown bike.''

Sounds a lot like "This bike doesn't climb that well. It's an enduro bike, it's not very adjustable and can do x-ups." When you take the marketing spin off it.
  • + 1
 Instead of giving us a new Sanction 27.5/165/64 GT made a gift to the 29er god so we can all hail to him and have our bikes being made obsolete faster so we too can join the 29er god. Heil 29er !
  • + 7
 0-Godwin in 27.5 seconds.
  • + 2
 Looks pretty good, price seems right there with consumer direct. I wonder what would have better resale value though.
  • + 2
 Buying a bike for resale value is like choosing what to eat based on how easy it will be to shit out. Just enjoy it on the front end man, ridden hard enough everything will be shit in the end
  • + 2
 I dont know why you bitching about SX/NX/GX... You can ride it till it fall apart and then buy better. It is all compatible!
  • + 2
 " and the UCI's inability to think rationally. " damn, pinkbike firing shots at the uci...
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 Is it firing shots if it's true?
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 I had a GT Force in the 90s. It looked a lot different (it was a road bike).

imgur.com/2a6QP51
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 Anyone have a tape measure that does 1/10ths of millimeters?? I need to set my sag!
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 It’s called a digital calipers.
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 I would like to see this bike Vs Marin Alpine Trail 8.
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 DiamondBack Mission too!
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 Pinkbike can we have a filter to block 29'er content please Oh wait ..that is all there is now
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 GT, you have my attention.
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 Geometry is now in the database...
geometrygeeks.bike/bike/gt-force-29-2020
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 I don't really get GT's categories. What is the difference between all mountain and trail or enduro? Does all mountain mean I can enduro my trail bike, or can I trail my enduro bike, or am I supposed to do something else completely, like only ride fire roads? I'm so confused.

But again, a bike I won't consider because of the Fox bits.
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 The Elite is proper nice! Sell the drivetrain and wheelset online and you've got a winner!
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 @mikelevy L and XL wheelbase on the geo chart look to be incorrect. Keen to know how long this thing is
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 They didn't fall for the too short wheelbase and except a quite low stack, in my view, geometry looks good. Hope they increased the leverage ratio progressiveness though
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 Oh I dont know, the 80.9cm wheelbase of the large seems a bit short to me.
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 @mcozzy: Oh, my bad, I was meaning the chain stay length.

Where did you see 80.9 though ??
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 @gui21st: It was clearly a misprint! But amused me. The diagram has been updated now by the looks of it.
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 Stack is low because BB is on the moon. (Again).
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 @jclnv: It,s a freaking 29er , you don,t throw 33"s on a truck and expect it to sit like it,s stock. Time to get out of this stupidly low BB era and makes things in proportion . Designers need to drop the low BB idea thinking it,s a 26er. Design around wheel size and wheel travel.
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 @cheetamike: What difference does wheelsize make to BB height?

I know the answer but give it your best shot.
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 @jclnv: well wise one fill me in then because the answers I have read are pure comical.
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 @cheetamike: Zero. The main benefit of a 29" is the increase in BB drop.
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 SRAM SX? I ´ve missed that one it seems.
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 Super cheap OEM eagle drivetrain I believe. I'm not sure I want to know how much that cassette weighs
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 Special feature it explodes on the 3rd ride. but its ok the warranty is good because sram knows their products are made of cheese.
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 @crashtor: I got the NX Eagle as a cheap upgrade - super regretted it. So F***ing heavy on the back end - i dread to think how the SX feels.
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 When I saw the whole new GT line up for 2020 few weeks back I was so disappointed by their choice to only offer Sram drivetrains. While my Force Elite works ok with the NX drivetrain, the back end is so freaking heavy ! Picking Sram for entry level when Shimano released SLX and XT at great cost is inexplicable really.
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 @Balgaroth: can you provide a weight to cost chart for Shimano Vs SRAM?
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 @FarmerJohn: SLX cassette is 100g lighter than NX for 20€ extra on Bike-discount so difference would be even smaller for OEM. Rest of the group is roughly then same weight wise but sure it is impossible to make something worse than NX ... well wait ... Sram did it with SX ! I saw it in flesh on the Force29 it really looks bad even compared to NX which os shocking really.
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 There was a super minor announcement on some websites. Not a big press release. SX has cheaper cranks, shifter, and derailleur compared to NX. Same chain and boat anchor of a cassette as NX.
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 Now dats what looks like a GT.
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 Still need step Ladders to get over them top tubes.
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 how did they ride it and get it dirty for the cover photo with no pedals?
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 I hope to buy it for my birthday!
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 Nice to see their using proper suspension and not shocking shock.
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 Looks crackable Smile
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 Sport check
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 If they let you order in store and use as many gift cards as you need in store you can really save a ton at Sport Chek. Gift cards go on sale 2X a year normally at 15-20% off and if you can stack that with a friends and family sale or GT sale... The last sale they had you could stack the 10% off email sign up with 25% off GT and the force was $23xx and the Sensor $18xx. Can only do 2 gift cards online but those were pretty tempting even though the standover is too much for me.
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 @JayUpNorth: but then id be stuck on a sport check bike.
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 Looks like a....
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 Pretty short with a 445 reach on a medium
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