First Look: Intense Recluse

Aug 16, 2016
by Richard Cunningham  

Recluse

Named after one of North America's most venomous spiders, the Recluse is Intense's answer to accomplished riders who want to cheat death on the downs aboard a lightweight, crisp pedaling trail bike. In fact, founder/designer Jeff Steber says that the Recluse was intended to be a much more aggressive and edgier incarnation of the Spider 27.5 that Intense released just a few months earlier - and without actually saying it, Steber hinted that the Recluse also addresses the wish lists of their best-selling Tracer 275c customers. If that list includes a slacker head angle, a steeper seat angle, shortened chainstays, ISCG mounts, a lengthened front-center, a stiffer and simpler frame design, and reconfigured suspension, then the Recluse is going to stir up some excitement among Intense fans - and some trepidation among their competitors.

bigquotesWe are not extending our model range, we are upgrading our existing models. Intense got a new management team and more resources, so we had the opportunity to start a number of new design cycles. It takes about a year to come out with a new carbon model, so we are just now seeing those designs coming into production. - Jeff Steber



What You Need to Know:

• Purpose: All-mountain/trail
• Frame: Carbon front section and swingarm, low-stand-over design, JS-tuned dual-link suspension, collet-type rear axle, Boost hub spacing, ISCG mounts, internal cable routing.
• Wheel size: 27.5-inch, with room for 2.5-inch tires.
• Wheel Travel: 140mm (R), 150mm (F)
• Double secure, collet-type rear axle
• Modern geometry: Technically minded, with a 66-degree head angle, ample reach (438mm/17.3" for size M), a 75-degree seat angle and 419mm/16.5" chainstays
• Next-level suspension: top models feature Fox Float Factory 36 forks and Factory Float X2 reservoir shocks
• Wide Rim format: Intense designed its own 30mm ID carbon-rim wheelset to maximize traction and cornering stability.
• Sizes: Small, medium, large and X-large
• Five models: $9499 Factory, $7899 Elite, $6999 Pro, Expert $5899, and the $4599 Foundation build
• Available: Now
• More about the Recluse at Intense Cycles




Recon Carbon Wheelset

The ink had not dried completely on the Recluse's specification sheets when Intense announced that it would be outfitting their new trailbike with a proprietary wheelset. Recon wheels showcase Intense's 30-millimeter inner-width carbon rim that has a flatter profile than we are used to seeing. Jeff Steber says that the design was the brainchild of product manager Chad Peterson. Reportedly, Peterson, who has extensive experience with wheel design, set out to craft a rim with the strength to stand up to enduro, or all-mountain shredders, but with a little more compliance than the leading carbon hoops possess. The solution was to employ a flatter profile and lower flanges. Steber says that the wheels also ended up a little lighter than their rival's as well.
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New suspension kinematics maintain a firm pedaling platform, while its uber-capable Fox Float X2 damper adds next-level traction and bump control.

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The bottom bracket area has been widened to form a rigid "i-Box" that houses the lower link., and a dog-leg in the downtube makes room for a water bottle.

Carbon wheelset
The Recluse also debuts Intense's new 30mm ID Recon carbon rims. The flatter profile of the rim is intended to erase some of the harshness that its semi-aero-profile competitors exhibit.

Intense will roll out two versions of the carbon wheelset: a 28-spoke trail model, paired with a 32-spoke enduro version, and 29er wheelset is in the works. So far, Recon wheels will only be spec'ed on Intense's complete builds, but there is a good chance that they will eventually be sold separately in the aftermarket. No prices or weights were available at this time, but Pinkbike has a Recon-equipped Recluse Factory build in our review lineup, so that information will be forthcoming.

Recluse Geometry

New Color Combinations

Each of the five Recluse models will be offered in at least two color schemes - one mild and one wild - which should make every potential customer happy.

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Recluse Foundation


Prices and Components

RECLUSE FACTORY $9499:
FRAME – RECLUSE SL Monocoque UD Carbon Front and Rear Triangle, i-BOX Pivot System, Downtube Flak Guard Armor, Internal Derailleur, Brake & Dropper Post Routing, Ti
Hardware, ISCG 05 Mount, 140mm travel.
FRONT SUSPENSION - FOX FACTORY 36 FLOAT, Kashima, 150 mm, 3POS-ADJ, FIT4, 15QRx110 BOOST
REAR SUSPENSION - FOX FACTORY FLOAT X2, 2 Position Lever w/ Open Mode Adj, 200x57mm
HUBS - Mavic XA PRO, 110x15 MM FRONT, 148x12MM REAR, 6 BOLT
RIMS - Mavic XA PRO CARBON WHEELSET, 110x15 MM FRONT, 148x12MM REAR, 6 BOLT, INCLUDING VALVE RIM STRIP
SHIFTERS - SRAM XX1, 11 speed
REAR DERAILLEUR - SRAM XX1 X-Horizon Carbon, 11 speed
CRANK - Race Face NEXT SL, 32T
CASSETTE - E13 9-44, 11 speed
SADDLE - Fabric Scoop Radius Pro
SEATPOST - RockShox Reverb Stealth, 31.6mm x 420 mm, zero offset, 150 mm of travel
HANDLEBAR - RENTHAL FatBar Carbon 20mm - 760mm
BRAKESET - Shimano XTR Hydraulic Disc, 180 mm front and 160 mm rear


RECLUSE ELITE $7899:
FRAME – Recluse 275 SL Carbon Front and Rear Triangle, i-BOX Pivot System, Downtube Flak Guard Armor, Internal Derailleur, Brake & Dropper Post Routing, ISCG 05
Mount, Ti Hardware 140mm travel.
FRONT SUSPENSION - FOX Performance Float 36, 27.5IN, 3 Position, GRIP, MATTE BLK, 15QRx110 BOOST
REAR SUSPENSION - FOX Performance FLOAT X2, 2 Position Lever w/ Open Mode Adj, 200x57 mm
HUBS - 28 Hole DT Swiss 350, 15 x 110 mm Front Hub; 148x12 Rear Hub, XD Driver, 6-Bolt
RIMS - INTENSE CARBON 30 MM
SHIFTERS - SRAM X1, 11 speed
REAR DERAILLEUR - SRAM X01, 11 speed
CRANK - Race Face NEXT, DM32T, 175mm , 11 SPD
CASSETTE - E13 9-44, 11 speed
SADDLE - Fabric Scoop Radius elite
SEATPOST - RockShox Reverb Stealth, 31.6mm x 420 mm, zero offset, 150 mm of travel
HANDLEBAR - Renthal Fatbar 20mm x 760 mm
BRAKESET - SRAM GUIDE RS, 180 mm front, 160 mm rear


RECLUSE PRO $6999:
FRAME – Recluse 275 SL Carbon Front and Rear Triangle, i-BOX Pivot System, Downtube Flak Guard Armor, Internal Derailleur, Brake & Dropper Post Routing, ISCG 05
Mount, Ti Hardware 140mm travel.
FRONT SUSPENSION - FOX Performance Float 36, 27.5IN, 3 Position, GRIP, MATTE BLK, 15QRx110 BOOST
REAR SUSPENSION - FOX Performance FLOAT X2, 2 Position Lever w/ Open Mode Adj, 200x57 mm
HUBS - Mavic XA ELITE ULTIMATE WHEELSET, 110x15 MM FRONT, 148x12MM REAR, 6 BOLT, INCLUDING VALVES RIM STRIP
RIMS - Mavic XA ELITE ULTIMATE WHEELSET, 110x15 MM FRONT, 148x12MM REAR, 6 BOLT, INCLUDING VALVES RIM STRIP
SHIFTERS - SRAM X1, 11 speed
REAR DERAILLEUR - SRAM X01, 11 speed
CRANK - Race Face NEXT, DM32T, 175mm , 11 SPD
CASSETTE - E13 9-44, 11 speed
SADDLE - Fabric Scoop Radius elite
SEATPOST - RockShox Reverb Stealth, 31.6mm x 420 mm, zero offset, 150 mm of travel
HANDLEBAR - Renthal Fatbar 20mm x 760 mm
BRAKESET - SRAM GUIDE RS, 180 mm front, 160 mm rear


RECLUSE EXPERT $5899:
FRAME – Recluse 275 Carbon Front and Rear Triangle, i-BOX Pivot System, Downtube Flak Guard Armor, Internal Derailleur, Brake & Dropper Post Routing, ISCG 05 Mount,
Ti Hardware 140mm travel.
FRONT SUSPENSION - RockShox Pike RC, 27.5” 15QR Thru Axle, 150mm Travel, 100 x 15mm
REAR SUSPENSION - Rock Shox Monarch Plus HV MM, RC3 HV MM, Custom Tune, 200x57mm
HUBS - 28 Hole DT Swiss SPLINE® hub with pawl drive system, silk matt black ; 100 x15mm Front Hub; 148x12 BOOST Rear Hub Shimano Driver, centerlock
RIMS - DT Swiss E 1900 Spline 275, Tubeless Ready
SHIFTERS - Shimano DEORE XT, RIGHT, 11-SPEED
REAR DERAILLEUR - Shimano DEORE XT, RD-M8000, SGS 11-SPEED TOP-NORMAL SHADOW PLUS DESIGN
CRANK - RACE FACE TURBINE, 32T
CASSETTE - Shimano DEORE XT, 11-SPEED, 11-42
SADDLE - WTB Silverado Race
SEATPOST - RockShox Reverb Stealth, 31.6mm x 420 mm, zero offset, 150 mm of travel
HANDLEBAR - Renthal Fatbar 20mm x 760 mm
BRAKESET - SRAM GUIDE RS, 180 mm front, 160 mm rear


RECLUSE FOUNDATION $4599:
FRAME – Recluse 275 Carbon Front and Rear Triangle, i-BOX Pivot System, Downtube Flak Guard Armor, Internal Derailleur, Brake & Dropper Post Routing, ISCG 05 Mount,
Ti Hardware 140mm travel.
FRONT SUSPENSION - RockShox Pike RC, 27.5” 15QR Thru Axle, 150mm Travel, 100 x 15mm
REAR SUSPENSION - Rock Shox Monarch Plus HV MM, R HV MM, Custom Tune, 200x57mm
HUBS - 32 Hole Intense Tuned; 148x12 BOOST Rear Hub Shimano Driver, 110x15 BOOST Front, 6-Bolt
RIMS - DT Swiss E 1900 Spline 275, Tubeless Ready
SHIFTERS - Shimano 11-speed
REAR DERAILLEUR - Shimano 11-speed
CRANK - RACE FACE AEFFECT, 32T
CASSETTE - Shimano 11-42, 11-speed
SADDLE - WTB Silverado SPORT
SEATPOST - RockShox Reverb Stealth, 31.6mm x 420 mm, zero offset, 150 mm of travel
HANDLEBAR - Intense Recon 31.8 x 18 x 760 mm
BRAKESET - Shimano BL M506 180 mm front and 160 mm rear

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Where the Recluse Fits Into the Intense Range

How the Intense lineup stacks up





MENTIONS: @intensecyclesusa



207 Comments

  • + 170
 What You Need to Know:

• You won't have the cash to own one.
  • + 143
 Man, I'm so happy there's a $4600 US bike that comes with a Deore drivetrain, that's exactly what I want on my $5k bike...
  • + 6
 yesterdays poll showed a large discrepancy ... so you might only be half right
  • + 13
 This is why I buy frames and build my own bikes buy a bike that's roughly 7500 Canadian and you get mid level parts
  • + 8
 @bishopsmike: it is an Intense carbon bike, but yeah that's a bit hefty considering my Cube, albeit aluminum framed, msrp was $4500 CDN, and It came with X0 drivetrain and guide brakes. That being said, Jesus the Recluse is a piece of eye candy, love the colorways!
  • + 24
 @bishopsmike: exactly. For $5200 CAD you can buy a Giant advanced reign 1 with XT build. Keep dreaming, Intense.
  • + 2
 Canyon. YT. Nuff said.
  • + 45
 A $7k model and $8k model with mid-level suspension? FU.
  • + 2
 Don't worry Canadian intense fans, come September they should be a fair bit more affordable
  • + 10
 @j-t-g: Yes, but having a sweet new carbon bike becomes less exciting in the face of global thermonuclear war. Greetings professor Falcon.
  • + 1
 @j-t-g: you will be seeing them at MEC.
  • + 1
 @soulless: I learned that lesson after my second bike purchase.
  • + 5
 @CircusMaximus: Purchased that bike. Can't ride it because the wheels had an immediate recall Frown
  • + 2
 @MTB-Colada: Up Voted ya man! Love my Tues carbon pro!!! I wouldn't mind having a Capra or Jeffsey too.
  • + 2
 @jaydawg69: yep. And I'm assuming they'll be able to sell them from wholesaler margins without OGC as a middle man...
  • + 5
 uhmm what happened to the Uzzi ???
  • + 2
 @bishopsmike: But it has BOOST and Ti hardware...
  • + 1
 @mooseindahouse: recall on what wheels?
  • + 7
 Hey everyone ... YT CAPRA CF 1x11 full carbon is at 4500$ www.yt-industries.com/en/products/bikes/enduro/553/capra-cf-pro-race
  • + 0
 @bishopsmike: The base model comes with GX. What specs are you reading?
  • + 2
 @Nathan6209: the specs listed above for "foundation build".
  • + 1
 @bishopsmike @Nathan6209 : Nowhere in the specs under Foundation Build is the word Deore. But it does say Shimano 1x11 for the shifter, rear derailleur and cassette. So it's not a GX system either. SLX maybe, since the next level up is XT?

Did they edit the specs after your guys' comments or something? Where are you guys reading this stuff??
  • + 1
 @deadhorse13: TRX 1 carbons. New for this year.
  • + 1
 @CircusMaximus: and carbon wheels!
  • + 1
 Maybe it's named the Recluse because wealthy, eccentric shut-ins (like Howard Hughes) are all that can afford it.
  • + 1
 @bishopsmike: lol, my reservation exactly!
  • + 1
 @RedBurn: And with a reach number from 1999 or so. It's Ok if your able to "size up" but for us guys who actually need an XL sized bike YT SUCKS...

Their XL is like some brands Medium. AND they don't even do an XL carbon bike...
  • + 1
 @stiingya: YT's Large is much bigger than other brands Medium frames.
  • + 1
 @lenmerderdenfer: Large Capra is 445 reach. A Medium Kona Precept is 460 reach

The new, "modern" Jeffsy is only 465 for the XL frame. Aluminum Capra is 460. (that they only do the cheap builds on which is BS since they STILL don't have an XL carbon frame)

I'm sure you have plenty of people having to size up on YT's. I'll also admit you probably have people size down on Kona now and then.

But for tall riders YT is not as great as it is for everyone else...
  • + 1
 @stiingya: I'm 6' and a large Tues works just fine. Good luck and have fun riding.

Over and out!
  • + 1
 @lenmerderdenfer: thanks man, had a great ride day, hope u did too.

Wasn't referring to DH bikes since this artucle is on the all mountain recluse. But the Tues has no XL frame at all, 450 reach on the large carbon and only 440 on the large aluminum.

Kona's medium Operator is almost as long as the large aluminum Tues.

At 6 foot your probably OK. But only if your done growing! Smile You get any taller and you too may be looking for a bike company that better caters to tall riders cause YT aint it...
  • + 59
 Enduro width tire? I've had 2.5 in tires since 2007
  • + 171
 You were pre-enduro. You were just mountain biking back then. Smile
  • + 41
 @shockdonkey: whoa there.... we were distinctly all-mountaining back then. There was a term for it. We weren't cavemen....
  • + 12
 @patrick2cents: Yeah man, us cavemen were 'Freeriding' around the turn of century. Which is totally different to freeriding now. And obviously different to the subsequent All Mountaining, and then Enduro-ing.
  • + 13
 @shockdonkey: unless you were riding the bike park. Remember, that's not actually mountain biking
  • + 1
 @slayersxc17 Ya, but ten years ago that was a bad idea. Were'nt you listening? My ten year old hardtail whose geometry has come full circle, would'nt climb back then either.
  • + 5
 @SubMarined: like when the guys from the 80s where riding the gt zaskars in every format and down hills without trails.
  • + 1
 @DJ-24: I knew something has felt so wrong with that tire size until about two years ago.
  • + 1
 @SubMarined:
Freeriding isn't free.
  • + 36
 I never knew enduro and all mountain were different categories
  • + 96
 You don't wear goggles riding all mountain
  • + 8
 Me neither....I don't know what kind of bike I own now?
  • + 29
 I take my all-mountain bike out for more chilled days, but my enduro bike when I'm really going hard. Said no-one ever.
  • + 39
 If your spare tube is in a pack, it's all mountain.
  • + 3
 @bishopsmike: I love the wit on this forum.
  • + 5
 @bishopsmike: Unless your pack is an enduro specific fanny pack
  • + 5
 all my bikes, cloths, kits, and coffee turns enduro at the flick of the strava switch
  • + 25
 meanwhile with my 07 bighit, and the $5 in my bank account
  • + 36
 08' bighit here ...0$ in the account
  • + 1
 '08 IH 7Point, and too cheap to pay absurd prices for a new bike these days.
  • + 21
 when will intense understand that 4500 is too pricey for a base model
  • + 16
 It's not like Ferrari or Lamborghini do an affordable base model. Some brands are boutique and something that people aspire to without needing to cater to the masses.
  • + 87
 @bigtim: Ferrari and Lamborghini are not made in China.
  • - 11
flag TheRaven Plus (Aug 16, 2016 at 6:27) (Below Threshold)
 @nozes: Neither is Intense.
  • + 17
 @bigtim: Intense bikes do NOT compare to an exotic supercar. As much as they'd like for us to think so...
  • + 18
 @skelldify: Why not? They are brightly colored, made of exotic materials, temperamental, overpriced and drooled over by enthusiasts. How is that not exactly like an exotic supercar?
  • + 10
 @TheRaven: yes, yes they are...
  • + 3
 when people stop buying them.
  • + 2
 Its the silicon valley pricing effect. Everybody there is overpaid and they believe, truly believe, that average income in us is about 150k annual. If that was true the price wouldnt seem too high anymore. Unfortunately they are high and dont have the forethought to review sensus data. Also - No frame only - D U M B M O V E!
  • + 3
 @Grosey: I know plenty of people who make around $150, and $10k plus tax is still a big pill to swallow, and they have more sense to drop that type of cabbage on a bike. You can get exactly what you want for half that price. Just takes a little more time, patience, and work.
  • + 5
 @TheRaven: Only their aluminum frames are made in California. The carbon stuff is all far eastern. Taiwan, I believe, but it may be China.
  • + 1
 @delta5: Yes, it's Taiwan. Not China, as I noted.
  • + 6
 Give it a year and they end up on discounted sites or buy 1 year used for half price.
  • + 9
 @TheRaven: because supercars are supercars for a reason, they are well and above the performance of an average automobile. i dont think any intenses are well and above the performance of an average mountainbike that costs thousands less.
  • + 6
 @jaycubzz: Eh...not really. I suppose it depends on exactly what you consider a supercar, but if we are talking about Ferraris and Lambos, it's a perfect comparison. When you pay $300k+ for a Ferrari or Lambo you really are doing it for the name recognition and style. The same (and even better, in some cases) performance could be had with a Viper, Z06, or GT-R for less than half the price.

So really, it's a perfect comparison. If you walk into a Lamborghini dealer and ask "why does this cost $300k?" You'll probably get an answer like "well it's a Lamborghini, of course!". That's basically what Intense is saying about their bikes. Some guys will hear that and say "YESSS PLEASE TAKE MY MONEY!!" and others will say "No thanks" and browse on over to the YT site. Totally depends on the money you have and what you want from your bike/manufacturer.
  • - 2
 @TheRaven: No. Lambos and Ferraris have a lot of little odds and ends that the designers put a lot of thought into that you don't get with a Dodge or Nissan, like those sweet paddle shifters. Intense does not have a lot of little odds and ends that someone put a lot of thought into. Ahem, pressfit bottom bracket. Can you even put a 200mm rotor on the back yet?? In fact, they used the exact same components that every other bike uses. Can you say that about a Lambo?
  • + 4
 @skelldify: Huh? You absolutely get beautiful paddle shifters with both the GT-R and Z06 (Carbon on GT-R and machined alloy on the Z06). Kinda like the beatifully machined links and shoulder bolts on an Intense frame.
  • - 6
flag aharris (Aug 16, 2016 at 18:21) (Below Threshold)
 @TheRaven: Maybe if we were talking about something like a Yeti does the Lamborghini comparison work. This is Intense, they are not the Lamborghinis of the bike world, they are the obscure european brand you may have heard about on Top Gear but cant remember what car they made. You dont get any brand name prestige with an Intense because their name is not well known to the general biking public.
  • + 9
 @aharris: Funny you should say this, as Intense has been known for nearly two decades as "the Ferrari of mountain bikes".

But you are right that their name is not known well to the general public. Neither is Yeti, Pivot, Santa Cruz, Kona, Devinci, Knolly, Mondraker...and pretty much all the awesome brands we love. The general public knows Trek, Specialized, and Giant.
  • + 13
 Wait, 7800$ and you get the welfare fork and shock with no Kashima coating?

I have come to accept that my next bike is going to cost more than a decent motorcycle, I just wish I could buy it without feeling like I'm being nickle and dimed to death along the way.
  • + 5
 Yep, a pro build with a budget fork?? Major fail.
  • + 7
 Makes Yeti pricing seem reasonable.
  • - 2
 @Triber66: funny that tou mention that! I rode a Tracer 275C last season and now I'm on a Yeti SB6C. Yeti is the way to go. Best bike on the market with very comparable pricing to SC, Intense but with a vastly superior pedalling platform and stiffer frame.
  • + 1
 @Golden-G: in Switzerland Yeti is considerably more expensive than SC. Something like 800$ or so for frame only! Anyway we'be back to the other thread with the Yeti: seat tube is way too long! Especially as the reach on their XL is like on many L.
  • + 2
 @wibblywobbly its probably smarter to just get the motorcycle and not look back at the sport formerly known as mountain biking.
  • + 16
 I know I'd be a recluse if I purchased one, I wouldn't be able to afford to do anything else lol
  • + 13
 Shorten those seat tubes! If I'd go XL I couldn't fit anything else than a 125 mm dropper at best.

And rear collet axle? How convenient.

Otherwise neat bike! Now please please please note the above comments when you renew the carbine 29! Wink
  • + 17
 Keep those seat tubes long!! If I'd go XL I'd have a 170mm dropper and still have 2 or more inches of extension on the static seat post part. But then I am a lanky twat.
  • + 5
 I have no complaints, I'm 6 ft on a large Spec Enduro and the 125mm dropper I have still has 10cm sticking out when fully dropped. Looks a little cleaner this way
  • + 5
 Hacksaw?
  • + 2
 Wow, Im surprised she is under 10k from Intense. Again, I would deff love a test ride.
  • + 2
 @nojzilla: thought about it. Might void the warranty though!
  • + 1
 @bigtim: you know, you only need 10cm insertion, not 20+ unlike some other pleasure oriented toys Wink
  • + 3
 @bigtim: Your not the only one fellow, I hate to see all these current trend XL bike with 19-20" seat tubes......just too dam short for some of us!!!
  • + 3
 Just the tip, just for a second. Just to see how it feels.
  • + 1
 @richierocket: under $10 G US. CAD...not so much.
  • + 1
 @ballardski: 175 posts will be out soon
  • + 1
 @EnduroManiac Just looked it up, the Recluse is over 1" / 25mm shorter seat tube than the Tracer, which is perfect because that's how much I've been thinking about cutting off but I won't want to void my warranty.
  • + 3
 Agreed, it's way too long if you want to slam the seat for a park day.
  • + 3
 Yes, agree, seat tubes are always way too long. I am 6'4 with long legs and frames in Large och XL always have way too long seat tubes.
Do you guys who want longer seat tubes ever ride technical stuff?
  • + 3
 @Startgas: I'm a heavy bloke who rides heavy, and yes I do ride technical stuff. Short seat tube means I will over stress it when climbing. Just cracked my third frame, only 21" seat tube!! Any shorter, I'll be snapping frames like twigs!
  • + 2
 @Startgas: Yeah we ride steep stuff, but I don't push my ass over the back tire when I do. And, because I have long legs, even with the 10cm of seatpost out of the frame when fully dropped, I have plenty of room to move! I'd be happy to have the same setup but more frame to, like @ballardski said, prevent frame snapping!
  • + 1
 @JacksonTM: it looks like an XL frame is anyway too short for you guys!
  • + 1
 Why in the world do people need more than 125mm dropper posts?? It's a freaking trail bike; it's not supposed to have the geometry of a DJ bike at the flick of a thumb lever. Believe me, I agree that dropper posts are the most notable improvement in MTB since suspension forks and disc brakes, but jeez, if you feel like dropping your post more than 5" is necessary to comfortably clean a techy downhill -- when riders have been doing so without dropping their posts AT ALL for a few decades before droppers even came around -- then there's a serious issue with your riding technique that needs addressed.
  • + 2
 @tmargeson: if you are tall it makes sense. A 5 inch drop is proportionally larger for a shorter person. If you are 6'2"+ a bigger drop is needed to maintain the same proportion.
  • + 6
 As intense move away from aluminum bikes I suppose they effectively stop producing bikes in the USA. Bit of a shame as it was always one of the Intense selling points that it was hand-made in the USA - It will also be difficult to justify the high pricing if they are using overseas labour to pull them out of the moulds but I suppose Santa Cruz get away with it and Intense are a similar 'cool guy' company.
  • + 14
 Given how often the aluminum ones were misaligned I'd say it's for the best they don't make them in the USA anymore.
  • + 3
 @wibblywobbly: They fixed that. But it does make a good point - Made In the USA is not always for the best. Anyone in the carbon biz will confirm that...if you want good carbon, you DON'T want it from the US. All these guys complaining about "chinese" carbon bikes really are clueless. Most of the high-end carbon frames come from Japan or Taiwan, the two absolute best carbon molders in the world. China is up there to. The US is nowhere near the top of the list.
  • + 5
 @TheRaven: factually, you're incorrect. literally nobody aside from a few aerospace companies using US developed methodologies (Boeing in India) can compete with what North America puts out. But we can't buy the kind of carbon product the US and Canada do best.... Fighterjets (LM), battleships (DDG1000 by GD) and cars (multimatic). Been to both, worked with LM defense for 9 years, developed carbon structures for GD and the DDG1000. We make the best stuff, it's just expensive.


When it comes to average consumer product, you may be correct. Trek does theirs in house, iirc though.
  • + 0
 @atrokz: Confused...you say i'm incorrect because better product doesn't exist for mountain bikes and then you say i'm correct.

Huh?
  • + 5
 @TheRaven: He said factually you're wrong... that is true.
  • + 6
 I agree that there is nothing a bike can do to justify that much money. Technology worldwide is at it's absolute premium and I just don't see the demand for a $4k crap component bike. Sure, the LX of today is worlds better than the LX of yesteryear, but no.

I owned an Intense Uzzi DH in 2002. 6 inch travel, Helix coil with shock lockout, adjustable seat tower. Awesome bike for a few years of trail riding and DH racing. Weighed 32lbs. Did great. Cost - $3k complete

Got to ride a Nukeproof Mega Comp last week on the local trails. Only $2900 and it screamed up and down the trail. Just an awesome bike. No fault in it. Just so impressed because the bike, weight and price point made sense.

These pricepoints make no sense. They're not even hand welded by the only thing about Intense that really matters, Jeff Steber. He's why people used to buy Intense.

Moving on.
  • + 2
 Gave my money to Transition Bikes, where you still can buy the frame and still buy an affordable aluminum frames that are a blast to ride. Giddy Up!
  • + 6
 140mm Travel, X2, +20mm in reach and TT on my Capra, but the same in most other dimensions, internal routing, slightly steeper HA, burly build, beautiful looks.
Man, this is the bike I wanted!
Am I being blind, or am I missing a frame only price?
  • + 2
 Amazing bike, but interesting to see that it has a "burlier" shock than the longer travel and more "Enduro" specific Tracer 27.5.

But why are all forks lately becoming "boost" as well?!
  • + 3
 Heard something the other day that Intense are moving away from frame only options and only doing complete bikes.
  • + 11
 @Damo6-6-6: Well piss in my shoe Frown
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 @Damo6-6-6: Well that sucks. Only way i can afford these bikes is carrying my parts over from my last bike, and becoming an international arms dealer.
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flag bohns1 (Aug 16, 2016 at 6:16) (Below Threshold)
 @Damo6-6-6: That's gay as Fuc! No frame only no buy..
  • + 4
 @Damo6-6-6: the industry as a whole are moving away from frame only options and pushing for completes. They make more money that way. Most frame only options for 2017 are going to be in the $5000 range for this type of bike.
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 @Damo6-6-6: therefore, no longer botique
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 @xenophile: Yep picked up fuel ex 9.9 2016 frame for $3400..I will never buy complete..
  • + 4
 C'mon guys, it's an Intense. All those comments about the price are pointless. Who wants an Intense is someone who can afford it. Of course there are dozens of bikes that good or even better for a lot less money. Intense, Santa Cruz, Yeti and some others pointed at super design and super performance since from their beginnings, making a name of it. Now they are using that name to keep things up even if their production costs are comparable with less fancy brands.
  • + 3
 Yup. They ask these prices because they know they can get them. So many guys in here asking "who would pay that much for this bike?"...what those guys don't hear is how many more guys reading through this review and comments section and saying under their breath "I definitely would!". Intense is among the most legendary names in the bike business, a brand that enthusiasts like me grew up drooling over and wishing for the day that I could afford one. Now I can.
  • + 7
 Man, Intense needs to branch out. All their bikes look exactly the same!
  • + 3
 *are
  • + 4
 I have an inclination that Intense was sold or took on some partnership...... anyone else think that? I cant tell if they have a MADE IN THE USA sticker on the ALLOY bikes.
  • + 2
 Ex crankbrother guys qre handling some of the biz....
  • + 4
 Holy crap, VPP with 16.5" chain stays! Wow, didn't think it was possible. Congrats on making what will be a fun to ride bike!
  • + 6
 I like the blue colour a lot.
  • - 2
 yeah, the color choice is pretty well done. Too bad nearly nobody has a californian income
  • + 4
 "reconfigured suspension" does it mean progressive LR?
Or will it be conservative which is regressive to progressive, at best flat-ish, as on too many VPP bikes...
  • - 1
 The problem with all VPP bikes I tried so far is it's incompatibility with majority of air shocks, in a way that there is little midstroke support and problem with utilizing full stroke length. Recent large volume negative springs, making air shock a bit more linear, theoretically solves most of that but not quite. That famous J-shaped VPP leverage curve simply overlaps the spring curve of the air shock exaggerating the effect and putting additional reliance on low speed compression. The bike simply dives like highlander for a penny once you want to load the bike for pump, be it a roller, berm or or a root to pop from. In my retarded observation and interpretation, it is not a coincidence that syndicate boys run coils while absolutely magnificent air shock like Float X2 is available to them. If you happened to be a poor fkr who got a CTD shock on his SC bike 3 years ago, you were in the sht hole of a suspension, because those had such terrible compression that the only way the bike worked was either ramping up SAG and running it fully open or you had to ride it closed all the time, and even PUSH tuning didn't solve that.
  • + 1
 @WAKIdesigns: you're right about vpp, I kept on blowing up air cans, so I went to coil, feels great but a real pain to fiddle with the compression on the fly.
  • - 1
 @WAKIdesigns: you're right about vpp, I kept on blowing up air cans, so I went to coil, feels great but a real pain to fiddle with the compression on the fly.
  • + 2
 @WAKIdesigns: the V10 is the only vpp frame I have seen that is progressive. It is even very progressive which could explain why the syndicate doesn't use air shocks since it might be too much ramp upp toward the end of the travel.
Anyhow, the V10 shows that vpp and progressive LR are possible. The question is why vpp makers keep on with the j shaped curve?
  • + 4
 @WAKIdesigns: Yes, I had that issue with the CDT on my Blur TR Alu but switching the can to a Vorsprung Corset made a massive difference and now I love it again. I would recommend the upgrade to anyone.
  • + 2
 @WAKIdesigns: I have a Tallboy LTc and the addition of a Vorsprung Corset air can to my fox transformed the rear end of the bike.
  • + 3
 @querent: I just upgraded to '17 dps with EVOL can and it is also a night and day difference from the CTD on my tblt.
  • + 2
 @WAKIdesigns: I can say from owning v1 Bronson, 5010, and Nomad that the v2 5010 and hightower have fixed that wallow and retained the out of saddle pedaling characteristics (love 'em or hate em).
  • - 2
 @Grosey: I have no other choice but believe you. For me It's not about out of saddle pedalling. My 2008 Nomad with 2010 Pushed RP23 was excellent at that. There is some weird threshold under which the bike just dives into midstroke. Latest Nomad is not as bad with it. I must try one with the large negative chamber. I ordered my latest 160 bike witch coil shock because I have no time for maybes and money to try expensive solutions. People were fixing sht with Vorsprung cans, tokens in positive spring, tokens in negative spring, custom shim stacks, playing with nitrogen charge pressure and they said it became amazing. None of which can be done on trail. It took me a bloody month to dial the latest Lyrik with the balance of SAG and compression and it doesn't feel as composed as bloody 2011 36RC2 VAN, in fact it feels barely better than my previous 2007 Lyrik U-Turn with modded MiCo DH. Coils feel more than right after two, three knob turning sessions in the woods. Same goes for air shocks on simplier suspension designs like Horst link or ABP, it takes you no more than 3 rides and it works great. I cannot say that about VPP or Maestro. And God forbid, getting a VPP bike with CCDB Air with a WILD range of adjustment.
  • + 2
 @WAKIdesigns: I've had an Inline and now run a Monarch RC3+ on my Bronson. I've also demoed a Hightower with an RT3 and a v2 Bronson with a Float X Evol. All have had good mid travel support and good pedaling without being super stiff. The CTD shocks were garbage, way too stiff, blew through travel, and had no small bump compliance. So I guess what I'm saying is I respectfully disagree on your comment that VPP bikes are not compatible with most air shocks.
  • + 1
 @WAKIdesigns: Guys are putting coils in the new Lyrik. The info is out there if you search. That might become a touch more difficult in the newest RS forks that they changed to a fine pitch tread on the top caps but likely still possible.
  • + 1
 The DVO Jade on my T275c is amazing especially with a ti. spring, my Topaz with 2/1 volume spacers is a good enough compromise for trail riding and I need to do more back to back testing but I like it a lot with the Topaz set up the way I have it, pedals very friendly.
  • + 1
 doublemint post...
  • + 0
 @matadorCE - yes I got owned for not riding the very latest sht. I was wrong. My coriginal comment is completely faulty. To increase your satisfaction, I am now going to admit to be masturbating three times yesterday, each time to Harley Quinn from Suicide Squad. But you must admit that no longer than 2 years ago VPP bikes with air shocks were working like crap. You could put a coil into a Nomad and it would ride almost as good as DH bikes with other systems.
  • + 2
 @WAKIdesigns: Umm, what? I wasn't trying to own nothing, just giving another opinion about VPP. Good thing you mentioned the Nomad, because that's a bike that I rode and felt it had poor mid travel support so there are exceptions to everything.
  • + 1
 @matadorCE: i had no hard feelings, wrote it with a smile on me face Wink My old Nomad was a beast, even with such crappy shock as DHX5.0 the latest one is probably cool as well, I rode it for a few minutes only. The truth is, one has to do the grind with setting up suspension. About right is never as good as right. I don't need perfect but fullies have to be managed. I got lots of advice from a dude at a suspension tuning/ service company when setting up my 160 bike with CCDB and Lyrik. It took more at least 20 rides until I was happy.
  • + 1
 @WAKIdesigns: admiting to masterbating to harley quin is like admiting you breathe hard on climbs.

Your spot on about previous VPP wallow though. Made manualing wierd and unpredictable and Ive dumped the front end on the older vpp a few times trying to manual to bumpjump on the trail.
  • + 6
 Go fuck urself 5k entry model
  • + 3
 They payed about the price of this bike for this article. It's a nice bike but that price point is way to high compared to others in the same range.
  • + 2
 I'm sure it's been said, but a package with carbon wheels and a budget fork makes no sense. I'm interested in this bike, but there's no way in hell I'd get any of these completes.
  • + 1
 In fact, I'd rather have the Pike RC that comes on the lower end builds.
  • + 1
 Right! Intense is off there rockers on spec. Maybe the cheaper fork comes with a free AVY cart upgrade coupon? At thise prices Im thinking it does.
  • + 1
 I purchased the 2016 Spider 275 Carbon, expert build with rockshox suspension and couldn't be happier! I'd recommend it to anyone and haven't felt like I wasted a penny since I got it; just MHO.
  • + 4
 2016 Uzzi is missing from the Intense Range chart. Is there a page 2?
  • + 1
 The Uzzi is still up on there website.
  • + 3
 So, a front mech mount...... all builds come 1x11 or 12 and no frame only option? Why? ACV rear tri for new Tacer PLEASE
  • + 4
 Those 16.5" chainstays though. Sweet!
  • + 1
 wheelie machine... not sure that length chainstay is really the right thing for all of the frame sizes though
  • + 1
 F**K, even more sexier than my UZZI, I want that bike so much;

+ 1 WAKIdesigns, VPP bikes awesome goes with coil shocks
As of Air shock you should choose only modern top range shocks like X2;
  • + 2
 I've got 1. Great bike but never been anywhere on it, I can't get it out of the house.........
  • + 2
 Another turquoise bike... I know Richie Rude is fast, and Yeti's are the best, it is not the color that does it.
  • + 3
 If I'm gonna drop $9500 it's gonna be on a downhill bike.
  • + 4
 They still make downhill bikes??
  • + 1
 Hmmm, 'enduro-width' tires...... What can I go up to in 'Whistler-width' tires? And it's a shame I can't use a Carbon 29c model for riding trails.
  • + 1
 This bike in lightweight aluminum made in the USA with SLX / GX for $3500 an we got a deal @intense
  • + 2
 More like Recluse because of the price point...haha
  • + 1
 How about that new wheelset? What are they using for hubs? Can't quite tell... kinda looks like DT Swiss?
  • + 1
 Hubset is DT350 for the 27.5.
  • + 1
 I like it. Stupid brake mount but hey ho. I'm still going to struggle to pay twice the price of a better specced Canyon.
  • + 2
 Nomad and Bronson had a baby.
  • + 1
 Lol I was going to post the same thing, I saw the pic and was like oh cool new colors on the Nomad
  • + 1
 Whats diff bewteen this and high tower? I know ht takes 275+/29
  • + 3
 But where is uzzi650b?
  • + 2
 Been out for almost a year
  • + 5
 Are you actually from North Korea...?
  • + 1
 @kleinblake: I mean I didn't see uzzi on the Intense Range chart.
  • + 2
 Finally a great looking bike with promising geometry from intense!
  • + 2
 "with room for 2.5 inch enduro-width tires". Okay.
  • + 37
 Such width. Many grip. So mud clearance. Wow Enduro.
  • + 1
 so no uzzi for 2016? i has a sad Frown
  • + 1
 The ACV does everything better and is cheaper. Just look at the chart!!!
  • + 1
 Anybody else think this looks like a Process??
  • + 1
 A really nice new Intense! What kind of BB is used...PF once again?
  • + 1
 where the heck is the uzzi on that chart?!?!?!??
  • + 0
 This bike is calling out for rich brahs to buy it. Intense bikes are so... intense, bro.
  • + 1
 Where does the Uzzi fit in?
  • + 1
 I don't see the uzzi in the model range lineup?????
  • + 1
 if its PF bb then I'm out. PF BB's are the worse
  • + 1
 F*ck yes on the fox dampers across the top of the range
  • + 1
 Ow shit i would like to ride XC with an Intense but theres no bike
  • + 0
 $4500 bike made in China. Good thing we get better prices since it is made oversees!
  • + 1
 E13 cassette on the $$ build. Interesting.
  • + 1
 2.5 tire? I fit 2.5s on my SC Solo c (5010cc) without boost.
  • + 2
 Is that a black Fox X2?
  • + 1
 @abrandredsox: is it metric?
  • - 2
 So this is the new Tracer? I can tell you that these suspension numbers work. I have a Spider 275 with 140 in the back and a 150mm Pike. It works perfectly. That being said, Five inches of travel is not enough.
  • + 2
 I refuse
  • - 1
 Amazing they already know where it will break.... marked with a Red line...
  • - 3
 Is it only me or wtf is up with the colors? Especially the blue/grey with red wheels?

Must be a great bike but for that amount of dough, I'd rather have other color options.
  • + 1
 But..........Reverb?
  • + 1
 Super sexy!
  • - 1
 That gray and blue bikes look damn sexy, but that's a lot of coin to drop even for the Foundation version.
  • - 1
 Least they've stopped welding them these days #fishing
  • - 1
 Called Recluse. Named after Recluse spider. #flyfishing
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