First Look: Liv Intrigue Advanced Pro 29

Sep 15, 2020
by Sarah Moore  



Giant's sister company Liv updated the 27.5" version of the Intrigue in 2018, and then came out with an aluminum big-wheeled Intrigue last month. Now, there's another option for female trail riders with the Intrigue Advanced Pro 29, which Liv says is a "can-do quiver killer". The new carbon trail bike with 125mm of rear travel and a 140mm fork uses flip chip adjustable frame geometry to create what the brand calls "two personalities".

Make no mistake, the Liv Intrigue Advanced Pro 29 is not the same bike as any in Giant's line, and while it shares the same flip chip technology as the recently announced aluminum Trance X 29, the frames are
Liv Intrigue Advanced Details
• Wheelsize: 29"
• Carbon frame
• Travel: 125mm (r) / 140mm (f)
• Head Angle: 65.8 (Low) / 66.5 (High)
• Chainstays: 435 or 438mm
• Weight: 29.8 lbs / 13.52 kg
• Price as shown: $9,799 CAD / € 8,500
www.liv-cycling.com
entirely different. Liv uses female-only dimensional data when designing their frames, there's women's-specific carbon tuning for each specific frame size, and every model has had the suspension tuned for women. In fact, Liv says they use a unique mold for every size of Intrigue.

The Liv Intrigue Advanced Pro 29 comes in three different spec levels. Both the Intrigue Advanced Pro 29 2 that retails for $3,200 USD (€ 4,500 / 5,299 CAD) and the Intrigue Advanced Pro 29 1 that retails for $5,400 USD (€ 5,250 / $6,549 CAD) are available in the United States, while the Intrigue Advanced Pro 29 0 that retails for $9,799 CAD (€ 8,500) is not.

Liv sent me the top of the line Intrigue Advanced Pro 29 0 which comes with a 125mm Fox Float DPX2 Factory Live Valve rear shock, a 140mm Fox 36 Factory Live Valve fork, a Fox Transfer Factory dropper post, Shimano Deore XT brakes and drivetrain paired with an XTR rear derailleur, Giant TRX-1 wheels, and Liv's new Sylvia SL saddle.


Liv's new Sylvia SL saddle.

The Intrigue Advanced Pro 29 1.


Frame Details


Liv has analyzed body dimensions, muscular activity and strength patterns, including thousands of data points about women’s anatomy, sizing variations, muscle energy and outputs. As with all Liv bikes, this data was used to engineer the frames and complete bikes to build them from the ground up for women. Liv calls this philosophy their 3F Design Philosophy, which stands for Fit, Form and Function.

The Intrigue Advanced Pro 29 is fully women's-specific, meaning that it has a frame geometry, composite layup and shock tuning created for women. Its Women’s-Specific Advanced Composite frame has internal cable routing, uses Boost spacing, and has asymmetric chainstays. It fits up to a 2.5" tire which is slightly narrower than the 2.6" tire that fits on the 27.5" Intrigue.

New for 2021, Liv engineers have incorporated a new shape and softer material to the chainstay and downtube protectors to help keep rock strikes and chain slap damage at bay.



The chainstay protector uses a softer material to help keep the bike quiet.
The downtube protector also receives an updated shape and material.

The size medium comes with a 125mm dropper post.
It's easy to swap between the High and Low positions.

Geometry


The 66.5 degree head tube angle on the Liv Intrigue Advanced Pro 29 in the High setting is the same as the head tube angle on the 27.5" version that was launched in 2018, but the flip chip on the Intrigue Advanced Pro 29 allows the rider to choose a high or low position to make the headtube and seattube angles steeper or slacker, and the bottom bracket height higher or lower.

Depending on preference, riders can change the headtube angle by .7 degrees, a change that also alters the seat tube angle by 0.8 degrees, and moves the bottom bracket up or down by 10 millimeters.

The Intrigue Advanced Pro 29 is available in small, medium, and large sizes. There's no XS small, but that's where the 27.5" Intrigue Advanced and Intrigue come in. The Intrigue 29 is compatible with up to 2.5-inch tires while the Intrigue and Intrigue Advanced are compatible with up to 2.6-inch tires.

As for dropper posts, the Intrigue Advanced Pro 29 0 has a Fox Transfer Factory dropper seatpost which means that the size small and medium have a 125mm dropper post and the size large has a 150mm dropper post. For all other models in the Intrigue series, which are spec'd with the Giant Contact Switch dropper seatpost, the small receives a 100mm dropper post, the medium receives a 125mm dropper post and the large receives a 150mm dropper post.



Fox Live Valve-equipped top of the line Intrigue Advanced Pro 29 0.


Suspension

The Intrigue Advanced Pro 29 uses Giant's dual-link Maestro suspension design for its 125mm of rear travel. Liv has optimized the internals of their shocks with optimal oil weights and air-spring volumes for women. Within Liv’s 3F design philosophy, they used a variety of different women’s body types and riding styles to find what they believe is the best suspension feel for women.

They’ve refined the suspension's shim stacks, volume spacers, and air pressures to match the female rider based on extensive testing with their female athletes and ambassadors. Select Liv riders as well as Ludi Scholz, Liv global off-road category manager, worked parallel to Giant’s design and suspension team at a suspension tuning camp in South Mountain, Arizona to optimize the suspension function and ride feel for each model.



Ride Impressions

The Intrigue Advanced Pro 29 is a rocket ship on climbs, despite the fact that it's a fair bit heavier than the XC race machines I'd was on during the recent XC Field Test. Even when you're in the Low flip chip position, the steep seat tube angle puts you in a comfortable and efficient pedalling position. I did end up slamming the stem so that I could really get my weight over the front of the bike for climbing, but once I did that I felt like I could climb for days.

As for the suspension, Fox Live Valve on Giant's Maestro suspension makes it feel like you've got a much lighter bike than you do underneath you since there's no bobbing and there's a quickness on the climbs that usually only comes when you're pedaling a full on cross-country bike.

Liv did a great job of speccing this bike for rowdier terrain with a 200mm front rotor, a Maxxis Minion DHF 2.5" wide front tire, a modern cockpit, and a sturdy bashguard.
Photo by Trevor Lyden
Sarah Moore
Location: Squamish, BC
Age: 30
Height: 5'7"
Weight: 160lbs
Industry affiliations / sponsors: None
Instagram: @smooresmoore

That being said, while the Intrigue does have a can-do attitude and the spec to match, my first impressions are that it's not the elusive "quiver killer" for a place like Squamish, BC. It was super fun and fast bike on smooth high-speed trails, and it's easy to get the wheels off the ground, but I didn't feel as at home on chunkier trails and felt like I had to work harder on those descents, even when I put the Fox Live Valve in the most supple setting.

I preferred the Intrigue's handling in the slacker 65.8-degree head tube position, but that has the downside of shortening the reach to a relatively conservative 430mm on the size medium. It's a cool feature, but I'd rather have one perfect bike than two compromises. That being said, I do look forward to spending more time on the Intrigue in the coming weeks and getting to know it better.


148 Comments

  • 125 66
 women's-specific carbon tuning, that's fantastic.
when's the non binary version coming out?
  • 63 21
 this is some dog-whistle shit
  • 48 18
 Yeah, its tricky. Its even harder when shopping for a carbon tandem since the front and rear might be tuned MF or MM or even FF or hell, even FM if you've got the goofy stoker going on.
  • 48 68
flag GotchaJimmy (Sep 15, 2020 at 11:46) (Below Threshold)
 Enough hate in the mtb community. This shit isn't welcome.
  • 20 4
 i think it’s a little more delayed because they can’t use computers on it
  • 4 0
 re: carbon tuning

What do they mean, like flexy for lighter weight riders?
  • 3 1
 @ski-n-bike-da-east: underrated comment
  • 23 15
 in case I wasn't clear, what I meant by "this is some dog-whistle shit," is that this is the kind of transphobic bullshit that you can get away with because it's not overtly violent or bigoted but that is, nevertheless, a stupid joke at the expense of nonbinary people, who are already stereotyped as being needy and wanting special treatment, a trope your comment reinforces.
  • 13 6
 @Jshemuel: kind of sad that the original comment is getting props and the two comments that blatantly call out how messed up the original was ate getting downvoted.
  • 10 2
 @Jshemuel: I agree with you 100%
  • 9 1
 @Jshemuel: Word! Appreciate this viewpoint, well said
  • 5 3
 There's a billion things to joke about in this world yet you choose make a joke out of a marginalized group of people. Thanks. I realize this isn't direct hatespeech or something, but still, we can do better and I'm tired of being a joke to you all. I've seen this happening multiple other times on pinkbike lately and its disappointing. If pinkbike doesn't start enforcing community standards I'm out of here. YouTube will be just fine for me. At least people like Matt Jones know how to be funny and entertaining without taking cracks at underprivileged communities.
  • 2 0
 i ride a Lg juliana. i ride a m/l chromag. thats one "girls" bike. one "boys" bike. they fit good. they both shred.
  • 2 0
 @maya-gamber: Hell yeah!!! thanks for speaking up!
  • 3 0
 @Jshemuel: yes mate.
  • 2 1
 @maya-gamber: totally agree. Pinkbike need to step up their moderation
  • 56 0
 Liv Intrigue Advanced Pro EVO Trail BC Edition SL Turbo Park 29
  • 35 0
 Limited
  • 1 0
 R.A.W. Loamhound Linkage
  • 42 0
 "I'd rather have one perfect bike than two compromises."

Or maybe two perfect bikes?

N+1
  • 11 0
 What kind of weirdo only has two bikes?
  • 38 2
 Store owner- Are you buying or just curious?
Tobias- Let's say I'm buy-curious.
  • 7 1
 i'm bike curious
  • 10 0
 @scottlink: You misheard, I said I'm Bike Furious!
  • 4 5
 @scottlink: bi-curious?
  • 1 0
 @rickybobby18: it's a matter of L and D
  • 25 1
 I can't quite pin the word down, but you could say this bike has piqued my interest or even aroused my curiosity.
  • 18 1
 Perhaps you are...Intrigued? Though I am not very Advanced or a Pro linguistically.
  • 4 1
 Hail... to you both. For having such a.. lustful sense of humor.
  • 29 11
 Wonder how long Liv and Juliana will stick around? They use different molds to make weaker frames (do women need lighter bikes then men? I don’t think so). Studies have shown there is just as much body-dimension variance in women as in men. Shock tunes can be size-specific instead of gender-specific. Only thing that makes sense is they spec a women’s saddle. Of course this is from a man’s point of view so I’d be happy to be educated if somebody knows better.
I can however imagine having dedicated women’s bikes might make some women who are new to the sport feel more included?
  • 48 0
 juliana are just repaint santa cruz's not frame differnet aside from offering and xs size
  • 42 7
 I have two daughters that I want to get into the sport. I want them to have branding geared towards them, with female professional athletes to look up to. However, no matter how much we try to socially engineer society to get more girls/women into outdoor sports, women just don't seem to want to at anywhere near the rate boys and men do. Do we keep trying to push it, or just accept that men and women are different?
  • 18 5
 Yup. I'm all for options, but "women's specific" means that women are being lumped into one lighter-weaker-less aggressive category, which might be true on average for a large sample, but might be very incorrect for any individual rider. Why use the crude shortcut of correlation between gender and various rider attributes, when you can just ask the individual who is buying the bike for the details?

For instance, height, weight, terrain, riding style... these are all things which correspond directly to bike size, geometry, shock tune, etc. And you can get that information directly from the rider who is looking to make a purchase, instead of assuming that just because someone is female, they need a smaller, softer bike. Why not just offer two shock tunes and two frame layups to ALL riders, so a cautious 55kg dude can buy it without getting a "women's bike", and a 80kg shredder woman isn't pushed towards a bike that doesn't have the agressive valving or geo which she could put to good use?
  • 11 0
 Liv does all of the things you listed above, but not Juliana. The frame on a Juliana is identical to its Santa Cruz counterpart except color and decals, and I think they do a slightly lighter shock tune. The only other difference between a Santa Cruz and a Juliana are the touch points (grips, seats, etc.).
  • 25 1
 I'd be willing to guess that there's far more women who are ~120lbs who would absolutely want a lighter frame over something designed to hold 50% more mass.
  • 6 1
 I couldn't agree more, the ladies I see riding know how to shred! I'm hesitant to buy a women specific model for my wife or daughters. Because when it comes time to resell, I will be excluding half the population.
  • 6 27
flag Imabigboy82 (Sep 15, 2020 at 10:15) (Below Threshold)
 @Auto-XFil: so you're saying don't build female specific bikes.... do you know how sexist you sound. The world has been built for men by men dude. But you keep on virtue signaling lol good jarb.
  • 22 2
 What's wrong with women in the bike industry making a women's specific bike? They are trying to optimize the performance of the female athlete.Why poo-poo on these women? Isn't is nice to have options? If it doesn't fit you, or work for you, then buy the similar Giant model, easy. If this is just a terrible sham, then why would Giant and or Liv spend so much money on research and different molds, etc.?
  • 6 1
 @OzarkBike: Sorry, women *must* buy by the Liv version, and Giant's corporate policies clearly state that women are not permitted to buy Giant bikes under *any* circumstances. If that weren't the case, I'm sure the people who don't like Liv bikes would be out buying and riding Giant bikes rather than complaining about them in the comments.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯
  • 5 2
 @Auto-XFil: It's a conspiracy, plain and simple. It has nothing to do with the relative scarcity of "cautious 55kg dude[s]" and "80kg shredder wom[e]n." I see hundreds of both every time I ride.
  • 10 2
 I'm for inclusion but not the pretend science found in Liv's marketing.

"Liv has analyzed body dimensions, muscular activity and strength patterns, including thousands of data points about women’s anatomy, sizing variations, muscle energy and outputs."

What!? All the science i've seen says the diferences within each gender are bigger than the average difference between genders. There is nothing about a the fit of a Liv bike that is more suitable for women other than the saddle. If there is evidence to the contrary, that would be really interesting. Post it here!
  • 9 1
 I'd add: what part of this $7500, 30# , 140, 125 bike screams "light weight?" There are literally dozens of "male" $7500, 140/125 bikes that weigh the same or less.
  • 8 0
 @hamncheez:

I'm not sure what reason there is to not accept that men and women are different. They've been different from the beginning and always will be. This is not rocket science. As to female specific bikes, as far as I'm concerned...whatever it takes to get more people/kids into the sport. Male or female, I dont really care. As long as people are having fun.

If a company wants to market that and people buy them, then who cares? Why does anyone other than that specific person have an opinion as to whether they lighter, weaker, heavier whatever.

My wife rides a "mens" (perhaps unisex) Slash and loves it. She came from a womens specific fuel ex from years ago and its not the womens or mens thing that is different, just updated geometry and wheel size. It works for her and thats about it.

If it works for you, your wife, girlfriend, daughter whoever and your riding - f*cken ay
  • 5 0
 @Imabigboy82: I don’t think you know what virtue signaling is...
  • 2 0
 @hamncheez: Accepting men and women are different will be the downfall of humankind.
/sarcasm off
I have a similar situation. Son and daughter, son is older by 3 years. So he was into mountain biking, boy scouts- so lot of out door stuff like camping etc. No matter how much I brought my daughter along- she's just not into it.
  • 2 0
 @Auto-XFil: so you basically want the price of bikes to increase about 50%
  • 4 1
 While I am not sure if vastly different bikes are needed, women tend to have a longer leg proportion than men, so a higher leg length/arm ratio. This is why women specific geometry has a shorter reach for a similar recommended height compared to a man specific geometry. My wife is a great example of this, she is 5'4" with a standard ape index, but >32" inseam so she rides a size small with a 150mm dropper pulled up about 2 inches, and he reach is definitely not short. That's my take as an outsider.
  • 5 0
 @dfiler: To be fair, you sort of have to design bikes around an average. So the methodology still applies. I'm taller than the average rider, but very few brands modify chainstay length etc to compensate for the height. You gotta work off of some baseline.
  • 2 2
 @Maestroman87: Athertons don't have to design their bikes around an average haha
  • 2 0
 Juliana is 100% the exact same frames as Santa Cruz.
  • 3 6
 @Imabigboy82: mountain bikes in general were not built for a specific sex in the first place lol you sound like a yuppy knob. Don't you have a peaceful BLM protest to distrupt and Hijack because I'm pretty sure you're antifa lol
  • 1 0
 @hamncheez: Utah culture may not be an accurate indicator of world wide trends. I am amazed and happy that I see a lot of women riders where I live, a massive increase from just a few years ago.
  • 1 1
 @codypup: bikes will be 30k in 10 years. f*ck the mtb industry. I'll buy my kids whatever's cheapest or keep up with moto because it's less lame
  • 1 1
 @dfiler: Dead on.. But that's why they have to charge 10k for this crap. #marketingbudget
  • 1 1
 @Bro-LanDog: I was thinking the same thing. 125lb rider on a 30+ lbs bike....not real fun.
  • 2 1
 @Maestroman87: @Maestroman87:
www.pinkbike.com/news/where-have-all-the-womens-bikes-gone-a-look-inside-an-ever-changing-market.html

"The old truism that women’s legs are longer and torsos shorter came from a poorly executed study by the US Military, and looks like it might not be true at all."


"data collected by Retül over the last 11 years with over 7,750 fits. Authors Rita Jett, Samir Chabra, and Todd Carver concluded that it is not necessary to change frame geometries for men and women, but matching components to sizes is key."

If you look at the highest levels of XC racing last year none of the top 5 overall women were using ladies specific frame geometries as far as I can tell. Specific parts,suspension tunes, etc for sure but the frames themselves were all unisex.

As a personal example I actually called Scott to see if I could get the contessa ransom over the Ransom 910 because the colour is way cooler. Sadly they dont offer the Contessa in XL Frown
  • 2 2
 @hamncheez: wouldn’t you rather your daughters grew up to see through marketing ploys that offer zero benefit and in fact waste money and create divides where there shouldn’t be any?
  • 1 0
 @Beerman13: That's interesting. Perhaps I have confirmation bias based on my wife's proportions. After some quick research, it does appear to be a farce. I can think of another good reason why womens specific bikes would have a shorter reach for recommended height. Perhaps Giant's research showed that those in the sport clustered outside of the average and tended to be of an athletic build variety with longer legs???? Just shotgunning ideas.
  • 2 2
 @Maestroman87: I don't think Giant has any research or scientific backing to their marketing claims. They're basically lying to everyone when they claim that ""Liv has analyzed body dimensions, muscular activity and strength patterns, including thousands of data points about women’s anatomy, sizing variations, muscle energy and outputs."

This reads like all those bullshit snake oil claims from a 100 years ago. Seriously? Women's muscle energy and outputs? WTF does that even mean?

Catering to women is great. But Giant/Liv should do it without lying to us about the science.
  • 1 1
 @dfiler: I agree, lots of fluff in there. You'd have to think they have done some research to choose geometry though. Not sure how muscle energy plays a role.hahaha
  • 3 0
 @Maestroman87: My guess is that the demand from women is for shorter reaches?

Its unpopular to say, but ON AVERAGE (not individually) women are more likely to be beginners or less experienced than men, and shorter reaches feel more comfortable, at least initially. I wouldn't put my wife on a new school, ultra long reach bike.
  • 1 0
 @hamncheez: What you're describing would be a beginner's bike, not a woman's bike. And that's only if shorter reach is actually better for beginners, which seems to be just speculation. I've not seen that asserted anywhere. If it were true, wouldn't people talk about "beginner geometry" at least occasionally? Am I missing something? Have any articles been written or research performed on beginner geometry?
  • 2 0
 @dfiler: "Beginner" is a spectrum. I say with all confidence that most women bikers, on average, have far fewer hours in the saddle, and on easier terrain, than the average male biker.

I also didn't say that shorter reach is better for beginners. I said beginners feel more comfortable on it. If you get a 500mm reach bike and a 450mm reach bike for someone who is 5'9" (my height) that is not a seasoned mountain biker, I bet you most of them would prefer the shorter reach. Not saying its ultimately better for them, but they would be more likely to buy that one.
  • 1 0
 @hamncheez: Beginners like really short reaches with 120 stems. They have slower steering which helps build confidence.
  • 2 0
 @dfiler: Something else I just thought of that makes a noticeable difference in other sports like wrestling/BJJ is center of gravity. Women, on average, have a lower center of gravity. If you take a man and a woman at 120 pounds who are both fit, muscular, and have ballpark the same body fat percentage, the man is going to have relatively more upper body mass compared to the woman. Women can get decently muscular legs no problem, but without PEDs women can't come close to men with upper body strength. This means women will be putting less weight on their hands relative to their feet. Along with wrestling this is also very true of rock climbing.

Most women ride like Myraim Nicole- their hands are relatively unweighted, they drive the bike from their hips and legs, pushing down through the pedals. This technique is easier with a short reach. If you look at Rachel Atherton, I believe the fastest female dh rider of all time, she rides like a man, pushing and driving with her arms/shoulders.
  • 1 0
 @hamncheez: Are there any women in this thread, deciding what is and is not a women's bike? A bunch of guys, sitting around deciding what women want/need has never been a recipe for success.
  • 1 0
 @codypup: thats kinda my point- women don't really bike at the same rates men do.

I'm pretty sure Giant has actual women riding/testing/buying their Liv bikes, or they wouldn't bother.
  • 1 0
 i told someone up above, im a dude who rides a juliana. it shreds. its plenty strong (my weight/riding style being the factor that would ultimately determine a frames "strength").

i also got a chromag. it also shreds. its plenty strong.
  • 3 0
 @atwyrrk: well there no point in the comment since a Juliana is a rebranded Santa Cruz.
The Liz are making different frames specifically for women, so not remotely a valid comparison.
  • 1 0
 @OzarkBike: Research on what? That's marketing drivel. As a couple of people (and I) noted above, how is Giant " maximizing your strength with women’s-specific frame..." by coming up 30#, short-travel trail bike.

For $7500, I'd steer anyone who's looking at this bike toward a Ripley or Joplin/Tallboy and save a few pounds. Even a Trek Fuel EX has similar geo, weighs less, and has more travel. Why is this bike a compelling option...for women (or men who it might fit). I guess live-valve has some value shrug>

I don't buy for one second that Giant has "tuned" this frame specifically for women and came up with this bike with this geo.
  • 1 0
 @OzarkBike: There is zero science in that video. It is pure marketing. Great marketing but still just marketing.
  • 1 0
 @hamncheez: Here's an article that says a woman's center of gravity is _higher_ than a man's when on a bicycle rather than lower. Though I think it might be referring to just the seated position. Hard to tell from the wording.

The jist of the article is that a bike needs to fit you specifically, not a gender average. If you need a short reach, buy a bike with a short reach.

www.bicycling.com/racing/a20020463/womens-cycling-8

Certainly a worthwhile topic. I'm open to science and would love to see the industry get specific about gender related bike fit. If anyone knows of science oriented info on the topic, please link!
  • 1 0
 @dfiler: Here is my bottom line: if you have women ride short reaches and long reaches, I bet most of them would choose the shorter reach. I have only anecdotal evidence to back this up. Either Giant has the same conclusion (they are the largest bike manufacturer in the world) or they are stupid.
  • 1 2
 @hamncheez:
it still doesn’t mean it has anything to do with sex. And it isn’t just the reach.
Look at experienced bikers. They mostly have messed up drooped shoulders that work well with longer bikes.
They know where to pedal which makes low bikes okay.
And they ride at higher speeds so slack steering works well for them too.
Saying it’s sex related is a prejudice that needs to disappear. You are actually being sexist while patting yourself in the back for not being so.
An experienced girl can take advantage of all of those things and an inexperienced man can’t.
And yeah, I think you can admit that the bigger the organization the more collective cluelessness exists.
  • 17 1
 New Trance X Advanced coming in 5......4......3......
  • 3 0
 2.....1......here
  • 14 3
 Seems like a real friggin rad trail bike ferda girls. Giant seems to be taking 50% of the population a lot more seriously than SC or really anyone else for that matter - makes sense since they're such a big manufacturer. Wonder why other brands aren't doing more to bring women into the sport. Also - no 0 build in the USA is interesting. Even if it's super pricy, should make sense that it could be special ordered, no?
  • 3 1
 Hell yeah. Props to Giant for this one.
  • 8 0
 My wife is 5'1". She has trouble buying bikes due to the stand over height on most frames. The extra smalls reaches are too short while the smalls have too high of standover height. Liv bikes fit her well but I am not sure she would be into 29ers since she is so short. I wonder if there is a market for women's bikes that offer dual wheel sizes for smaller frames. Trek does it for their bikes but the standover heights aren't great.
  • 3 0
 I'm shopping for a bike for my 5 ft tall girlfriend and it's tough. I wish someone make a 27.5/26 mullet with great standover.
  • 4 0
 Get a 27,5 Intrigue or Trance or other Giant/Liv-Modell with 650b then.

My girlfriend´s on a 27,5 Intrigue as well.
  • 2 0
 @Adamrideshisbike: @Adamrideshisbike: I've done this exercise, though I may have missed some. My wife prefers a standover of 700mm or better, and she rides trail bikes in the 125-150mm neighborhood. Options include Ibis Mojo 3 and Mojo HD5, Pivot Mach 6, Pivot Mach 5.5, Pivot Switchblade, Julian Furtado, Juliana Maverick Juliana Roubion, Revel Rascal, Evil Offering, Evil Calling, and others. Happy shopping.
  • 1 0
 @ReddyKilowatt: Thanks for that. We are trying to go cheaper than those options sadly, though I've been checking the buy and sell religiously.

At the moment, I'm looking at the YT Jeffsy Prime 26 bike. Standover is around 630 mm. She'll be over the moon. She's on a Trek Fuel EX right now with a 740mm standover. The Jeffsy has a longer reach than her current bike as well that will give more real estate between saddle and stem.
  • 1 0
 @Kpayne: I would definitely recommend trying the 29er as the standover height with the newer geo is quite reasonable.
  • 1 0
 If there's a market for super boost there's a market for that.
  • 2 2
 Isn’t how low your seatpost goes more important than stand over height?
When was the last time anyone stood over their frame?
  • 2 0
 @bigtard: any time you stop?
  • 1 0
 @warmerdamj: Yep. It just isn't that complicated. My wife is a good rider, but cautious. If she enters a tech feature and needs to stop and/or dab, she needs her foot to get all the way to the ground. It's easy for tall people to be dismissive of standover as a factor.
  • 1 2
 @ReddyKilowatt: sounds like a seatpost travel issue not a stand over issue.
  • 1 1
 @bigtard: no, it's not that at all. Do you just magically spawn into a standing position beside your bike when you stop?

No. You stop, step off your seat and am then STANDING OVER your bike before you get off.
  • 1 2
 @warmerdamj: I’m sorry. You might do it that way. But it doesn’t mean that’s how you do it.
If you watch a bike rider with a bit of skill that isn’t wearing a dress get off their bike. They lower their seat. And put one of their feet down and swing their leg off the back of the bike. It’s that easy.
Unless you have a crappy bike that doesn’t allow enough room for a long enough dropper.
And when one of those bikes is supposed to be a women’s specific bike. And women are often short. It makes you wonder. What about this bike is actually good for a woman if the seat doesn’t go low enough for them to safely get on and off their bike?
And then you realize maybe it’s because their clueless husbands are on pink bike bitching about stand over height and guzzling the latest load of 29’ers are for everyone marketing.
  • 1 0
 @bigtard: yeah... thanks for the skillful tips on getting off a bike. Username definately checks out here folks.
  • 1 1
 @warmerdamj: hey man I’m not the one who just admitted they think it’s normal to sit down to pee.
  • 10 2
 To all the haters, you're lacking perspective.

How about we tell all men that they can ride womes bikes from now on? Surley there is no diffrence, so there won't be any problem with it? Maybe men even wear the same sized and cut clothes from now on? "Men" would look good in high heels too. Or maybe all women should wear "mens" sized clothing from now on? No? Why not? Maybe because it's stupid?

Why shouldn't we give everyone a free choice to ride what ever the hell they want to? Since it's clearly working for clothes and other stuff?

Fact is: Most bikes are designed by men for men, because they're the biggest demographic in cycling; on road or off road (or any kind of sports for that matter).

Liv Bikes in sizes XXS, XS, S are a godsend for every adult under 165cm. Different carbon layup also makes a lot of sense, men are in general heavier than women, especially within the same range of body height.
More choice is always better.
  • 3 0
 Small sizing is great for many women! However there is no such thing as a woman's bike or a man's bike. There are just bikes that fit or don't fit. People are calling out Giant/Liv for snake oil claims, not for catering to women.
  • 6 0
 I don’t buy into the women specific bike thing, but we did pick up a Liv for the lady a few years back as the spec to price ratio was better than could be had from even YT. They are great bikes, and some of the more mid to entry level offerings have a great spec for the price.
  • 4 2
 This makes me want an aggro-Wookiee/Sasquatch-specific carbon tune. I’m a tall ex-pro-DH composites engineer, so this is great to see...just 10+ years later than we expected...took a while for the marketing, consumer knowledge, and resultant demand to develop =)
  • 2 1
 The reach on the 425mm seattube size is 23mm less than my 420mm seattube 2017 Cube Stereo, which always gets mocked for having prehistoric geometry.
Do women have relatively long legs and short upper bodies or arms, or is this a case of selling old frame designs as new ones?
  • 1 0
 bought my girlfriend a 2017 liv hard tail. it sucked. bought her a YT jeffsy in 2018. SHE then bought herself a 2019 YT Tues and a 2020 Ragley MmmBop. I guess it's cool they are making bikes for women that appreciate nice bikes.
  • 1 0
 @SarahMoore '...but I didn't feel as at home on chunkier trails and felt like I had to work harder on those descents' not really surprising after; ' I did end up slamming the stem so that I could really get my weight over the front of the bike for climbing' is it?

We all (including you) know that low stack is good for climbing, and raising it up a bit will raise confidence in descending again.How was it descending when you sacrificed the climbing ability a little for the downs again?
  • 1 1
 At a glance, the silhouette looks like an old school bike - short. I think it looks that way because of big wheels relative to frame size, which we got away from on purpose. I’m surprised to see someone committed carbon layups to big wheels on small bikes, but I guess people will buy it because it’s made by a big bike company, and looks flashy. There’s a reason many other bike companies aren’t making small 29ers. Would be nice to see a company so progressive as one who makes lady-specific bikes to actually be progressive in geometry, and make bikes that work for the intended rider size (AKA 29er is probably not great for aggressive riding if you’re 5’ tall).
I wouldn’t put my wife on one... the height:length ratio just looks like it’s trying to go OTB.
  • 3 1
 "Giant's sister company Liv introduced the 27.5" version of the Intrigue in 2018"

Didn't know I had a time machine, bought my partner a 2016 Liv Intrigue with 27.5" wheels.
  • 9 0
 Should say that they last updated the 27.5" Intrigue in 2018. I'll make that clearer.
  • 6 1
 Needs moar cables!
  • 2 0
 Seriously. My biggest gripe with live valve. What a mess.
  • 1 0
 I'm not going to be able to ride the Trance version of this bike. It's clearly not for me because I'm neither advanced nor pro.
  • 3 0
 At first your just a pro... But then, then your an _advanced_ pro
  • 3 0
 That's a nice looking bike!
  • 1 1
 Patiently waiting for a Woman Specific horse, dirt bike and motorcycle. Ask any guy over 6’ if they felt included in the bike industry 10 yrs ago. Guess I ride the BIG BOI specific bike.
  • 2 0
 I hope the trance gets this treatment real soon! The trance x is cool and all but I don't need all that big boy travel!
  • 3 1
 Ridiculously sick. Can't wait to see more of this bike in the wild.
  • 2 0
 The frame shape and linkage look a lot like the Giant Reign.
  • 2 0
 Paint scheme is dope.......
  • 2 0
 I’m intrigued
  • 1 0
 I you feel somewhat "intriqued", you too can "LIV" the Life, but you must be a "Pro" or at least an "Advanced" rider...If not, you may have to just ride one of those regular men bikes and that would really suck not having the women's specific carbon tuning...lol.
  • 2 1
 When’s a women’s specific reign coming out?
  • 7 0
 already out it is called the hail. awesome bike my wife has one
  • 2 1
 Looks like a Kona Process with a different rocker link...
  • 1 0
 Giant finally updated their design a bit. Looks better.
  • 1 1
 I bet without the Live Valve junk strangling the suspension it’d be a great bike.
  • 3 1
 SheReign?
  • 1 0
 Women's bikes are 100% stereotyping.
  • 2 1
 SUPER ADVANCED PRO! SECK
  • 5 5
 30 pounds for 10 grand? Come on.
  • 8 3
 I know, right? Where's my rigid post? Where's my noodly Fox 32? What about my overheats-on-a-small-downhill shock? And my I-can't-stop brakes? Why did they spec grippy tires and modern width rims? What's the purpose of a chain guide and bash guard?
  • 1 3
 10k for a 30lbs bike ? Right giant, we'll get right on that smokey smoke you're smoking. GTF outta here with this crap.
  • 3 0
 piggyback shock, fox 36, chain guide and bash guard, wide wheels, aggressive tires, dropper post....shit adds up, this is a pretty damn light bike for what it is.
  • 1 0
 @arrowheadrush: I'm sure the 125lb riders need that fox 36 too.....
  • 1 1
 Yikes, cut that steer tube! Thats a sternum spreader.
  • 1 1
 looks like a process!
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