KS Release LEV Circuit Wireless Dropper Seat Post

Nov 24, 2023
by kindshock  
KS LEV CIRCUIT DROPPER SEAT POST AND REMOTE

Press Release: KS

KS proudly introduces the LEV Circuit wireless dropper seat post. Built with proven internals from KS’ popular LEV series, LEV Circuit offers fully wireless control and up to 200mm of travel.

CUT THE CORD
Say goodbye to the clutter of cables and the hassle of internal routing. With the LEV Circuit, we've reimagined the traditional dropper seat post, eliminating the need for cables entirely. LEV Circuit offers a seamless, fully wireless control experience. Thanks to its Bluetooth connectivity, the communication between the remote control and the dropper seat post is quick and precise, ensuring you get the exact seat height you desire with just a touch.
LEV Circuit

POWER YOUR RIDE
Equipped with a removable and rechargeable battery, the LEV Circuit ensures you're always ready to hit the trail. The remote control is powered by a readily available CR 2032 battery, so you'll never be caught off guard. When you choose the LEV Circuit, you're choosing a complete package. The product includes the wireless remote, battery, and charger, ensuring you have everything you need to hit the trail right away.
LEV Circuit battery charger remote

PRECISION AT ITS CORE
Tailor your ride to perfection with the adjustable air pressure feature, easily accessed at the base of the post. The LEV Circuit adapts to your unique preferences and riding style, ensuring maximum comfort and control.
LEV Circuit air valve

VERSATILE SADDLE COMPATIBILITY
We understand that riders have different preferences when it comes to saddles. That's why the LEV Circuit's saddle clamp design is compatible with 6mm round and 6x7 or 7x9 oval carbon rails, giving you the freedom to choose the perfect saddle for your ride.
LEV Circuit saddle rails

BUILT TO CONQUER ANY TERRAIN
At KS, we're driven by a commitment to zero compromise in design, execution, and production. When you're out in the wild, you need gear that can keep up. The LEV Circuit boasts an IP67 rating, making it dust-tight and water-resistant. No matter the conditions, your seat post will perform flawlessly. The LEV Circuit represents the "state of the art" in wireless dropper technology, setting a new standard for cycling innovation.

KS LEV Circuit wireless dropper seat post

FEATURES:
+ Wireless actuation
+ No cables or connectors
+ Quick signal transfer thanks to the Bluetooth connection between remote and dropper seat post
+ Removable and rechargeable battery
+ Remote powered by a CR2302 battery
+ IP67 rated (dust-tight and water-resistant)
+ Up to 200mm of travel
+ Adjustable air pressure accessed at the base of the post
+ Saddle clamp design is compatible with 6mm round and 6x7 or 7x9 oval carbon rails
+ Remote, battery and charger included

KS LEV Circuit rempote

LEV Circuit…CUT THE CORD

For more information, please visit our website at kssuspension.com
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213 Comments
  • 104 42
 I really don't understand why droppers need to be wireless... I get that it's easier to install, but once you install what is the benefit?
If you don't want to install a cable then pay a shop to do it - would still be way cheaper than a wireless dropper.
  • 26 5
 Only advantage I can see is that it is easier to transfer between bikes? It would still be a pain though by the look of the shifter mount...
  • 46 16
 With the reverb, it's way faster actuation, meaning you can micro adjust it easier with just a tiny blip on the button, meaning you actually use it even more often than a normal dropper. Its why the magura vyron never caught on, when you pressed the button it unlocked it for a full second.
  • 69 10
 neater cockpit and less rattles would be some of the other benefits.
  • 21 5
 Got lucky on my last used bike purchase that the previous owner had upgraded to an AXS dropper. It has been flawless for the last two seasons of riding. Faster actuation, a cleaner cockpit, no cable to rip out of the lever if you crash (has happened to my son), no extra maintenance, can put a regular post in for service and not miss a ride by needing to take the bike in but yes, they are not cheap and I do worry about it being easily stolen.
  • 15 4
 Easier to install between bikes, less cables to worry about, less chance of an extra internal cable rattling, clean cockpit, easier to disassemble for travel, more reliable feel on the trigger, etc.
  • 17 33
flag mattmatthew (Nov 24, 2023 at 11:31) (Below Threshold)
 I also don't understand why they have to be internally routed also. The PNW externally routed droppers connect near the wiper seal (so it doesn't move up and down with the post), which in my mind would make setting up the cable and housing even simpler than the internally routed stuff. I think it's really just for looks without any added benefits. Like the seatpost version of headset routing.
  • 25 0
 I switched to wireless dropper as I am running a 180mm bike and spend a lot of time at the bike park. That way I put a Thomson seatpost with SDG Fly saddle tilted to ride at the park and DH races, then put the dropper back in when I need to pedal on week day evening rides. My hardtail has a normal dropper and if I still had a DH rig my enduro would also be cable I don't see the point other than what I am doing, which frankly is quite niche I guess.
  • 14 21
flag wobblegoblin (Nov 24, 2023 at 11:40) (Below Threshold)
 Wireless droppers are obviously only for bikes with wireless drivetrains and wireless brakes.
  • 6 33
flag likeittacky (Nov 24, 2023 at 11:41) (Below Threshold)
 There are several benefits and a couple drawbacks..... *You don't have to be seated to compress the post which is the number one benefit. Removing / installing the post is by far way easier, actuating is smooth not having cable friction or cable defects. Drawbacks are- they are Hideous looking, heavier, batteries required (forget to charge them or leave at home is misery) bulky levers that are buttons not actual levers, desired saddle height slightly dropped-not as easily obtained.

that said, I run regular cable actuated droppers.
  • 15 13
 @ajaxwalker: that paddle doesnt look neater than a cable lever
  • 2 1
 Switching between bikes or travel. My bikes are really big and just pulling the dropper right out would be ideal. That being said I would have to travel a lot to make it worth it.
  • 7 8
 It is not that hard to install a cable post. Plus, In my opinion have a much smaller and cleaner lever and post without the big case with battery/mechanism.
  • 31 0
 @likeittacky: you don't have to be seated to compress?!? Since when?
  • 1 0
 @mattmatthew: I had a KS years ago like this, and it was fine. But the mechanism to make it work added a layer of complexity where I could see stuff going wrong for sure. Plus a dropper is one thing where internal routing is pretty easy and looks a lot cleaner while protecting the cable from crashes and the elements.
  • 4 1
 @inked-up-metalhead: You are one of the rare PB-ers that likes the Reverb. I like the Reverb, super smooth, adjustable speed, and fit seamlessly with SRAM Matchmaker. Most don't like the Reverb because of bleeding issues, but there is a trick to the bleeding. I haven't had to bleed my post in a couple of years. The post does slow a little in winter though.
  • 28 4
 I like to charge my bike, my dropper, my shifter, my derailleur, my fork and shock, my brakes and my Bluetooth connected headset before every single ride
  • 12 0
 I am running fullsuspension MTB/eMTB rental comapny in Portugal.
Happily, I am not attached to any exact brand but tested a lot of different MTB bikes past years. Some of them it is nearly impossible to adjust saddle height because of dropper post cable routing.
External routing doesn't solve problem. Best is well designed internal.

So If you have rentals from specific brands I think it is only way..

and off course clean look, no broken cables during crash is advantage too..
  • 2 0
 Word. And more or less the argument against any cable-less tech on a bike. And hey if you like it, buy it. But having tried electronic shifting....just didn't do anything special imo. But I think the industry can only continue to tweak tried and trued things like derailleurs and expect big price increases.
  • 10 2
 They benefit you by having superior insertion depth due to not needing a cable actuating mechanism at the base. Additionally, you never have to worry about a cable binding.
  • 4 12
flag likeittacky (Nov 24, 2023 at 12:45) (Below Threshold)
 @inked-up-metalhead: My mistake, not ever having one, i assumed it to function as stated but apparently i was incorrect. This makes even less sense to me now knowing it does not function as such. Stupid if you ask me, whats the point than
  • 10 3
 @james182: I've suffered from cable tear out too. I think the AXS Reverb is a revolutionary improvement in dropper posts. They just need to produce a 200 mm dropper now
  • 9 4
 @tacklingdummy: AXS Reverb and standard Reverb are completely different beasts and I don't think @inked-up-metalhead was referring to the standard Reverb.

The complete lack of effort required when using an electronic control versus a remote has to be experienced to be believed (same applies to shifting gears).
  • 12 10
 @pakleni: Why? Do you ride 20 - 40 hrs on every single ride?

Most people are lucky to get a two hour ride in 1-2 times per week. That means at least five weeks of riding for the derailleur (~ 20 hrs), ten weeks of riding for the dropper (~40 hrs), five to six weeks of riding for the fork (~25 hrs) and six weeks riding for the rear shock (~ 30 hrs). Remotes and power meter/ pedal sensor need a battery change about once per year (350-400 hrs). If you stick to the SRAM system all the batteries interchange so a spare (or two if you are really concerned) has you covered. The weak point is the head phones (~ 8hrs).

And you forgot about tyre pressure sensors (~75-90 hrs)!

The battery "issue" is not really the issue people (who have probably never ridden AXS or Flight Attendant anyway) are making it out to be. If you can manage charging your phone most days then AXS is not a significant addition to the list of pfaff that is associated with mountain biking anyway.
  • 2 0
 Also they all look to have quite a lot of stack so if you're pushing the max length for your frame you might not be able to use the 200mm.
  • 12 1
 They certainly don’t need to be wireless. But, I’ve never had a dropper work so flawlessly as my AXS dropper. I’ve never had to service it, battery life doesn’t bother me, and it’s one less cable to look at/replace/deal with.
  • 3 2
 @likeittacky: Because it goes up on it's own... wirelessly. The point isn't about adding going down on it's own. No one wants that because it eliminates the ability to micro adjust.

Wireless droppers are just about getting rid of the cable so you don't have to deal with installation of a cable or adjustment etc.

It's also about having more than one bike and one dropper post because you can just take it out and put it into any other bike whenever you want.

I'm not saying I would ever pay for one... I wouldn't. Not until they're half the price. Then I still might not because I don't want to have to deal with batteries. Just pointing out it's functionality and why some people like them.
  • 1 1
 Easier install but also should have a shorter insertion length since the actuation is in the head. Only crap thing is I’ve yet to see one longer than 200. Makes no sense, I’d think if I can fit a 210 internal cable oneup in my frame I should be able to fit a 220-230 wireless one since it’s about 15mm gone off the bottom of the post.
  • 2 2
 It’s all about the bling! I can’t want for heated grips and heated saddle.
  • 3 3
 Why would you want to FK with cables?
  • 5 4
 Because no wires. End of story.
  • 1 0
 @likeittacky: why? It's still a spring.
  • 3 2
 @slimboyjim: but for the price of one you can always buy 2 cable actuated posts that arguably are more reliable…
  • 2 1
 @Balgaroth: Spot on! I’ve got a second wheelset built up and planning to slap an identical cassette, DH rubber and rotors on in tandem with a wireless dropper. 2 bikes in one!
  • 1 7
flag huvudvind (Nov 24, 2023 at 18:16) (Below Threshold)
 @inked-up-metalhead: keep drinking that kool aid
  • 7 0
 barspins.
  • 2 0
 @tyoj: my exact setup last summerWink
  • 5 1
 Let's hope they still produce most of the analogue components the next ten years or so... I am on your side, many riders just want something that works, reasonably priced, reliable and does not require charging/ battery...
  • 2 0
 I don´t get either the "it is easier to transfer from one bike to another". First because you need two bikes with same seatpost diameter and length. Second. If you have two bikes that use the same dropper post, you have to take the Seatpost and lever from one bike and put it in the other. All with the cons of charging two batteries and higher stack.

For the cost of a E-DSP, you can get a normal DSP and two levers, so you only have to move the seatpost. That is way faster and easier to do.
  • 1 1
 @Typhon: you could also have 2 remote levers…
  • 11 0
 - Honey, what are you looking at?
- At a comments thread about people who have real problems.
  • 1 1
 @inked-up-metalhead: keep an eye out for one to be released by a certain company that actually goes down on its own too. Saw it the other day. Just waiting to hear more about it
  • 3 0
 And it’s heavier. I get the benefit if you are constantly changing droppers between frames (don’t actually know anyone that does this) but other than that it’s the worst place to spend extra $ on your bike. All the well priced cable actuated posts (OneUp, PNW, Crankbros, SDG, RF, Trans X) all work super well these days.
  • 2 1
 @covekid: something noone is taking into consideration is price of seats. Some are the same price as a oneup dropper, so a one up dropper x 4 Vs an axs + one up isn't actually too dissimilar.
  • 2 0
 @radgetzoff: correct, its big, klunky and looks like an initial prototype that hasnt been refined physically/aestethically
  • 3 1
 traveling with an internal cable can be problematic and as well....... As a tour guide adjusting seat height a few times a week for different riders makes for a cable headache even if I help guide the cable in and out of the frame the tension seems to change and the droppers get to the point of needing service with a new cable or housing/ferrule issues
  • 2 0
 After flying with my bike for the first time this summer and needing to remove the dropper to meet the weight limit of the airline, I am definitely more interested in a wireless. It would have to be for the right price, but kinking the cable and needing to do a bunch of mechanic-ing upon arrival was annoying.
  • 1 2
 Ebikes. Internally routed dropper posts on ebikes are a pain. You have to drop the motor to service the housing etc.
  • 2 0
 @bislexic: nah you don't, if there's already one in, get a tandem gear cable, thread it through the new outer, through the old one, then pull the whole lot through, leaving the new one in place. It's what I do, literally takes 2 minutes to replace my dropper cable.
  • 1 1
 @andrewbikeguide: you are correct. I have AXS on my gravel bike (I’m old and can’t always hit the trails) and it sat for a month after a 2 hour ride I didn’t charge it and went for another ride zero issues. And the shifting is flawless. I haven’t done the switch on my trail bike yet but will when my derailleur breaks.
  • 2 0
 The only reason I’d want this is because I have a bike with headset routing - which I want to ditch.
  • 5 1
 It's a classic 'emperor's new clothes' situation, and people are also willing to pay twice as much to cheer on the emperor.
  • 2 0
 You can remove it quickly from the bike and you use it as a weapon in any altercation you might have
  • 1 0
 @motdrawde: only if it's got the same return speed as a spesh command post. Never have I worried about my nuts as much as when having a go on my mates enduro.
  • 7 7
 @andrewbikeguide: Charging something is a pain. End of the story... .
I have the AXS derailleur and I have an app (not SRAM) that tells me when to charge the thing. It's annoying to take extra stuff with me on trips just to be able to charge the batteries. Torn batteries also exist, so it's not an argument for batteries. At least not on the rear derailleur. The derailleur battery lasts me 20 hours before I charge it to make sure it doesn't run out of juice. So I have to charge it every two weeks.
The phone argument is kind of ridiculous.
Remember the days when phones had to be charged once a week? I laugh in the face of every Apple Watch user for that very reason. What is that? Daily charging? Sorry, that's absurd and the wrong way for the industry to go.

Since I have the AXS rear derailleur, I don't see that you need less or more power compared to an excellent trigger, nor that the AXS is faster than the cable. If I now have to compare my BikeYoke with the force required to push and how well/quickly the part works to anything else, almost everything else looks dated in comparison. Show me any dropper that can do 4000 miles without service and that has run through the winter with salt on the transfer paths. That is seized in the frame and had to be hammered out. After that it still ran like the first day.

Complete parts for the service 40 USD. If you buy your own oil.
The manufacturer specifies a range of oils, no special stuff. Service for a wimp like me in half an hour.

@alexsin:
@Darwin66:
@slimboyjim:
All the other things that are written here and speak in favor of the Wireless Dropper that I can see are only present in one case. The quick change between frames. But that's it honestly, it's BARELY faster.
Why? Different lever on the second bike with pre-installed cable. WHERE is the difference now? You can only have a difference here if you also take the trigger from the AXS on every bike.


On the points I can't see:
Cable rattling is something I don't know and my frame only has one internal cable. And my frame is a 161 Privateer, so it's pretty cheap. And my 161 has been ridden silently. NO rear derailleur was on it, so no chain slap, all cables external except for the dropper. The hub was also silent. If you hear a rattling noise from the dropper, your frame is just really bad in terms of quality.

Cleaner cockpit would be the case if the remote is not bulky and can work proper with a matchmaker.

I simply don't see the micro adjust as a reason because the mechanical dropper I have works so smoothly and immediately without force.
It's the same for traveling, I unscrew three screws on my mechanical. That's it, now I can take the dropper out of the frame and remove it. The cable remains in the frame and can be installed immediately afterwards. It all takes 3 minutes, absolutely no argument here.

@Balgaroth: I have done that too. Easy even with a cable. Seatposts are hollow. Push the cable inside and tape the trigger to the frame. Converted in 5min. No rattle if you done it right. But yeah its faster with a remote.
  • 2 0
 @Serpentras: Thank you for some reason here.
I'm happy for all the axs users, it's a good system but I don't understand the "once you'll try you'll never go back". I have a reverb C1, and haven't had to touch it since installation. Just like my previous B1 that I only had to bleed when I had to replace my frame. Yes, the Axs operates much nicer than the B1. Compared with the C1 though the difference is minimal. Unfortunately even most mechanics I've met do not understand how to bleed the remote properly.
Not saying I wouldn't like an electric post, but so far there's still disadvantages such as the higher stack height that'd require me to reduce travel, and why would I bother with charging something when I already have a reliable system?
  • 1 0
 Also nice if you want to run a QR so you can drop your seat further for the downhill. Have to have a frame that allows that of course.
  • 2 0
 @bitterbiker: a longer dropper also solves that. One place the axs looses out, as is the main complaint of it.
  • 4 0
 @andrewbikeguide: well, I don't go biking to pursue a complete lack of effort.
  • 2 0
 They'd be great for rental bikes. Shop personnel adjust the set height of the dropper depending on the renter. The adjustment is a little clumsy because you have to make sure the cable has slack and don't kink the cable during adjustment.
  • 1 1
 After you use one for a few weeks....you won't go back.
  • 2 0
 Easier on my old achey thumbs to press a button than to push a mechanical lever.
  • 2 0
 We all question the usefulness of wireless bike components now, but once I get my neural Bluetooth brain implant I'll be able to shift, pop the seat up, and dial my compression TELEPATHICALLY.

Later losers! lol

Soon, the only thing left on my handlebars will be grips!
  • 1 0
 [I'll also be f*cking with your bikes telepathically Joker ]
  • 2 0
 @inked-up-metalhead: to be fair if you want a dropper with faster actuation than the reverb u just get any other dropper on the market
  • 1 0
 @Austin014: Your bike was over the weight limit for checked bag?
  • 1 1
 Between wireless gears or dropper, I would rather have a wireless dropper. If you ride your brakes Euro you get neater cable organization with less rattling and less maintenance to worry about. The actuation is the same 100% of the time and you don't need to change the cable every 6 months when riding in muckier conditions. That said, I think they are still very expensive and it's an investment I am not willing to make right now.
  • 3 1
 @ajaxwalker: If your housing are rattling, the problem is your shitty frame, not that you need a wireless seatpost.
  • 1 3
 @opignonlibre: even fully internally guided frames can have cable rattling. Only a couple of brands (one of them being Yeti) offer a fully efective solution. OFC the problem is worse in aluminium frames. I put acoustic sleeves in them but sometimes it's not enough.
  • 1 0
 You can have one post to swap between multiple bikes. That's what I intend to do. The control clamp is hinged, so super easy to swap. For me, it means one post in place of 3. YMMV
  • 1 1
 @Amukinado: you really have bad frames if you need to change te cable that often and the rattle shows it too. No matter what you want to say, If if it rattles it is not good desgined.
  • 1 1
 @edbenton: The last thing I want to do when I have time to ride my bike is fiddle with them. Checking tire pressure is already long enough, just grab them and go.
  • 2 2
 @Amukinado: I don't have any rattling on any of my bike and 2 of them are aluminium.

Also if brands can't route cable correctly internally, choose those that route them externally or return the bikes.
  • 1 0
 @opignonlibre: dude, if you don't have some sort of stopper at both ends like a bolt or ziptie to hold some pressure on the cables, they will rattle. I am a bike mechanic and I deal with internal routings almost every day. You might not hear it, but it rattles. I am sorry but your frame is not special.
  • 1 0
 @Serpentras: I will give you a list of my last bikes so you point out to me which ones are shit: Cotic Rocket, Evil Insurgent, Evil Insurgent LB, Nukeproof Mega Carbon, Evil Calling, Kona Process CR, Ibis Ripmo V2, Santa Cruz Nomad V5, Yeti SB165, Marin Alpine Trail C2 (these are the ones I can remember from the top of my head).
  • 3 0
 The major benefit of a wireless electronic dropper:
- New sales opportunity / Something new for brand to talk about instead of selling the same old product for 7 years
- Some consumers will pay the big premium
- Net growth in sales / profit
  • 1 0
 If you need to change your dropper cable every 6 months in muckier conditions, whatever routing system being used on the bike is bad…
  • 1 1
 @Amukinado: that is easy, if it rattles it is a bad design. You decide now what frames are bad.
The frames that are definitely bad are evils. Self clogging machines are funny. Those designs are not well suited for all weather every day riding.

Like I said before, I don't need to change the shifter housing that much. I don't even change it if it works perfectly. It's absolutely out of harm's way so it can used for many years. The cable can go bad, maybe. Still didn't changed it for the last two years because it runs perfect. Good mechanical dropper with a good frame wrecks any current wireless dropper.
  • 1 0
 @Serpentras: did you ever own an evil? They are brilliant bikes in a lot of ways. I do agree that the design is a bit rubish if you ride in grainy mud. But that is the case for most full sus frames out there.

Having said that, having your dropper cable clogged up with dirt has nothing to do with frame design (except for the Transition reviewed yesterday). My bikes don't get dirty in the seat tube, but they do in the dropper lever. And if dirt gets in (which it does), the actuation will get worse with time.

So yeah, wireless and hydraulic actuated droppers can be superior products. Is it worth the money though? If you have money to spare, sure. If not, you'll be absolutely fine with a cable dropper.
  • 2 1
 I'm skeptical people are actually moving post between bikes. Do people own multiple bikes with the same actual seat tube angles? If not the saddle angle will change.
  • 1 0
 try it.. you wont ever look back unless price is key for you... but its just a way faster, better feeel, easy to actuate. 0 force needed. its nice
  • 43 0
 Until it works with Google Assistant, Alexa and Siri what's even the point? I want to scream "Hey Siri - lower my dropper post!" while flying down the trail only to have it start playing "Danger Zone" as I go over a steep section with my seat fully raised.
  • 4 2
 You mean ChatGPT after Google, Facebook, and Apple has stored every bit of your personal info so you can actuate your dropper post on demand.
  • 11 1
 It’ll soon be dropping automatically based on Strava/Trailforks data. You’ll get hit in the nads when least expecting it, adding a sense of excitement to every ride.
  • 51 9
 Not an e-bike person (yet, but I am in my 50's sadly), but I'm struggling a bit with all of the desire for automation on our bikes. As an engineer I spend too much time in front of a computer as it is, my phone beeps, my kids ping me on and on.
Although this is going to date me or put me in a luddite category (and I'm plenty tech savvy), but going riding is my one chance it seems to truly unplug. No lights, buzzers, screens, batteries etc. Not that I don't see some functional benefit to some of these things, or the engineering elegance, but having to read another screen, dial, light, battery etc. while deep in the woods? Just not there yet I suppose.....
  • 9 5
 The only batteries I put on my bike are lights for night riding. I have a car with three pedals to operate it but I only have 2 feet. My truck requires occasional adjustment of the valve lash using wrenches and tools. By birth year I'm supposed to be an early millennial lol Deep in the woods on a bike is where it's at, the rest is just consumer junk single-to-noise ratio problems
  • 6 0
 Fred Beckey kept trying to climb mountains until he was nearly dead of quite old age. Don't sell yourself short! Smile
  • 3 9
flag Phazz470 (Nov 24, 2023 at 20:26) (Below Threshold)
 I also hope you leave behind your pinging phone at the car. And god forbid a Garmin watch that connects to a GPS network of satellites.
  • 3 0
 as an engineer I agree
  • 19 5
 THE SPECIFIC LEVEL OF TECHNOLOGY THAT I CAN CURRENTLY AFFORD IS THE BEST AND EVERYTHING THAT CAME AFTER IS IS CRAP THAT'S RUINING OUR SOCIETY.
  • 4 0
 @Phazz470: Agree, it's hard to be totally technology free for sure. If I'm on my local trails I use my little watch on vibrate.....if I didn't have school age kids that may need to get a hold of me I wouldn't bring anything. But yes, for emergencies or if I'm on a trail network that I'm unfamiliar with, the phone and Trailforks app do come with me but mostly stay in my hip pack or pocket (I've ditched the Camelbak as an aside and am loving not having anything on my back). I do, at least in my own brain, want to make the distinction between the ability to call in an emergency or wayfinding/not getting lost with the nice to have accoutrements of the modern e-bikes/wireless stuff........the latter of which I'll cave at some point I'm sure....
  • 2 0
 Don’t be sad about being in your 50s. Could be worse.
  • 1 0
 @dustinbmx74: Ha! Very true!
  • 1 0
 Hearing you: also have zero desire for having e-anything, but can see the utility of e-droppers as I service my dropper every 4-6 weeks or so and its a bit of a pain in the ass. After 20-30+ services, its down to a science now, but the cable is the limiting factor & needs frequent replacement so an e-dropper seems more of a utility than e-derailleur (?)

Compounding things for me persoally is that I"m temporarily on Team Eeb (except for DH lift / truck service) as I cracked a knee this summer & wrecked some joint tissue that simply will not be pain free so assist is the only way I can get uphill right now... so without that I'm just an angry jerk on a stationary or trainer. That being said, I don't like biking knowing my battery can spend out back in the woods, cutting the day short b/c of a battery - or even having to charge it up w/ near daily rides. It feels limitiing and I find all I want to do is be able to ride the regular bike.

In once sense, given how many literally 100's of 1000's of actions in our lives are automated - this website, my laptop to chat with it, house lights, tires, fuel, manufacturing, modern food & distro, your cellphone...what's one more battery.
Yet the thought of even a battery (and battery & motor) irks me even tho its the only way I can get on most trails right now. But it still makes sense to minimize as much of that as you can. I feel ya. What to do - its a constant balancing act.
  • 2 0
 My flight instructor is 70, still rides a real bike. And obviously, flies planes (aerobatics).

A modern XC bike pedals amazing.
  • 27 2
 I want to share a concern that many individual inventors face in our industry. It's disheartening when large corporations use ideas developed by smaller entities or individuals without proper recognition or compensation. In my specific case, I developed a particular design that is now being used by a well-known bike component manufacturer. I filed for a patent on this design back in 2020. While I understand that legal recourse can be challenging and costly for individuals like myself, I believe it's important to bring attention to these practices for the sake of ethical business conduct. I am hopeful for an amicable resolution and greater respect for intellectual property rights in our field.
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 That’s definitely concerning. Curious, what did you develop?
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 @yale986: This is my design. I had a contract with KS to develop it, but they reneged on the contract. I filed a patent for the base design in 2020. This will be contested.
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flag MuseWhisper (Nov 26, 2023 at 17:18) (Below Threshold)
 Hey, whiner! Nobody cares about your so-called "concerns." If your precious design is so groundbreaking, why don't you quit crying and actually do something about it? Accusing a company of defamation? Give me a break. Sounds more like you're trying to cash in on some sympathy. Maybe your design just isn't as unique as you think. Get over yourself and stop playing the victim card.
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flag fewnofrwgijn (Nov 27, 2023 at 5:42) (Below Threshold)
 @CTDummy: then don’t whine about it on pinkbike blaming some faceless vibes, fight the faulty business into oblivion, as you should
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 Oooo, litigating in the PB comments! Exciting. I'm commenting to be included in the exhibits to the motion for summary judgment.
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 We are not "whining" as a few trolls have said. We are simply using a public forum to make people aware of the true situation. As a small company, it is difficult for us to go up against one as large as KS, but we will do our best.

To be clear, KS did not "copy" our design. They used our design exactly as we created it. The patent illustrations were created from 3D models that we own and created. The dispute is over their rights to use the design without our permission, and without KS fulfilling their contractual obligations.
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flag MuseWhisper (Nov 27, 2023 at 18:02) (Below Threshold)
 @CTDummy: @CTDummy: Oh don't cry budy, spare us the legal mumbo-jumbo drama. If you're such a hotshot with your so-called knowledge of IP laws, why don't you just lawyer up and handle it instead of whining here? And who cares about your supposed non-employee status? It's pretty clear you're just here to stir the pot and make yourself look like a hero. Keep your legal battles to yourself, drama queen.
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 @MuseWhisper: So you've created a PB account just to come on here and rip into anyone who comments about it. How about you fess up and reveal how you are connected to this post/brand. You obviously feel like you have some moral high ground over the claimants.
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 @devlincc: I also noticed the account just created yesterday. I hope this isn't the best they can do.
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flag MuseWhisper (Nov 27, 2023 at 20:44) (Below Threshold)
 @CTDummy: PB is a "friendly" platform, huh? Oh, look at Mr. CT, the jobless inventor wannabe. Yeah, take your patent violation sob story to court like a normal person. This isn't a job-seeking platform, so spare us your desperate attempts at sympathy. Maybe CT should focus on actually finding a job instead of airing his invention grievances here. Time to get a reality check, folks.
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 @MuseWhisper: You seem to be having some kind of mental malfunction. Hope you get treatment.
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flag MuseWhisper (Nov 27, 2023 at 21:39) (Below Threshold)
 @CTDummy: Oh, look who's playing armchair psychiatrist now. okay, I am to encounter an amateur psychiatrist! Your apparent concern is just touching. I'll be making a visit to my doctor, and I genuinely wish you the best in your quest for a new job.
  • 1 0
 @MuseWhisper: 아직도 심천에 있는 그 똥같은 아파트에 살고 있나요? 걱정해주셔서 감사합니다만, 저는 아주 잘 지내고 있습니다.
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 @MuseWhisper: First day with the new account? What a douchebag. You sure you're not American?
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 @bishopsmike: hey we Americans don’t let the douche flag fly until our accounts are 48 hrs old
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 We at Cell Cycling, alongside our collaborator Paul Gallagher, wish to address the recent release of the KS wireless dropper. For two years, we worked diligently under contract with KS to bring this innovative design to life. However, in the latter stages, we noticed a lack of progress from KS, which led us to believe the project had stalled. To our surprise, we recently discovered that KS filed a patent in Taiwan on May 1, 2020, utilizing the design we developed. This came just two days before we filed our patent with the USPTO. Upon reviewing KS's patent documentation, it's clear that our original designs and models were used without modification. The issue of patent 'ownership' can be complex, but 'inventorship' is unequivocal. Paul Gallagher is the true inventor of this design, and we have extensive documentation, including thousands of CAD files, to support this claim. This situation has resulted in significant financial setbacks for us, and we intend to challenge this matter to ensure that intellectual property rights are honored and respected. We believe in fair and ethical business practices, and we're committed to standing up for these principles.
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 Sorry to hear this, sounds like it's been handled badly.

IP and patents is a complex matter in itself. A key question on ownership of IP is going to be weather you developed it while paid/contracted by them, or implemented something you had invented/designed previously. If developed during time paid by them, generally the IP is their. I.e.. an employee can't personally patent something done during work time, it belongs to employer (in the countries I know).

But I realize you know this already and there's more to this story. Hope it works out ok for you.
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flag MuseWhisper (Nov 26, 2023 at 17:19) (Below Threshold)
 Hey, Paul Gallagher~~~~whiner! Nobody cares about your so-called "concerns." If your precious design is so groundbreaking, why don't you quit crying and actually do something about it? Accusing a company of defamation? Give me a break. Sounds more like you're trying to cash in on some sympathy. Maybe your design just isn't as unique as you think. Get over yourself and stop playing the victim card.
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 @westiebestie: I'm am very familiar with IP laws. I cannot state publicly details of this case, since it is likely to go to court. But I will say you are incorrect in your assumptions about my contractual relationship with KS, I was definitely not an employee.
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flag MuseWhisper (Nov 27, 2023 at 18:03) (Below Threshold)
 @CTDummy: Wow, a legal genius in our midst! If you're so brilliant, why don't you quit yapping and actually do something about it? Your vague threats about court and your supposed non-employee status are just a sad attempt at playing tough. Nobody cares about your drama here. If you think KS did you wrong, grow a spine and take real action instead of hiding behind vague statements. Stop wasting everyone's time with your weak excuses.
  • 7 0
 @MuseWhisper: Dealing with online trolls can be challenging. Their primary goal is often to provoke and upset others rather than engage in meaningful conversation.
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flag MuseWhisper (Nov 27, 2023 at 20:25) (Below Threshold)
 @CTDummy: Handling whiners like you is a real headache. Your main agenda seems to be crying for attention rather than having any intelligent discussion. If you can't handle the online world, maybe it's time to log off and spare the rest of us from your pathetic sob stories.
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 FWIW Bikerumor states that the price is $699
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 That's expensive and close to AXS, in this case its only benefit is length. Tranzx / brand-x offer their wireless dropper post at only $500
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flag nickfranko (Nov 24, 2023 at 12:42) (Below Threshold)
 @Xandr: Yeah, but it's Tranz-X.
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 @Xandr: when did it become acceptable to put 'only' before $500 for a seat post?
  • 5 1
 @kevinturner12: when it's in comparison to all the more expensive posts in its specific category. Clearly this was in reference other wireless droppers, not droppers as a whole.
  • 4 0
 @nickfranko: You’ll never believe who’s one of the biggest OEM dropper manufacturers out there….
  • 24 9
 If this post works the same way as the other KS posts I've had.... ..... it'll be terrible
  • 12 0
 I don't know what you went through, but my KS Lev on my Ghost Kato of five years worked without problems even without having it serviced once
  • 7 0
 Did you only buy their El-cheapo models? Because their nicer KS Lev models are perfectly good.
  • 2 0
 yeah i don't think bluetooth solves stiction
  • 8 0
 I've had heaps of KS posts and they've all been great?
  • 5 0
 @pakleni: I’ve had a few lower end KS posts that have all been bomber, going back 10+ years
  • 2 0
 Surprisingly, most reliable post I’ve ever used is the cheap KS eTen on my commuter hardtail. Thousands of miles on, zero service, still going up and down just like it should. In that same period I’ve had a Transfer, Reverb, PNW, two or three OneUps, none of them have matched the reliability of that KS eTen.
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 @Hayek: I had an eten that was the same, insanely reliable. Also had a couple of LEVs and a couple of the carbon ones as well, all were great
  • 10 2
 Came in here to say, that I loved my AXS Reverb so much on my Enduro, I bought one for my hardtail w/ the SRAM 20% off sale! It's absolutely brilliant with its infinite height adjust, and lightening fast actuation.

People that b*tch about charging..... you own a cell phone, and take it with you out on the trails right? Or a Garmin? Or a wazoo?

They're awesome!!!! Will be cool to see how this KS LEV equivalent pans out in the real world as well.
  • 1 0
 My cellphone dying on a ride doesn't ruin my ride. Well at least if I know where I am or where I'm going. If I don't know where I'm going the ride just becomes an adventure.
  • 9 0
 Did I miss something? I don't see pricing or a retail intro date anywhere. Those details would be super helpful to know please!
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 @wobblegoblin: Thanks for sharing! Thats a bit pricier than I was thinking.
  • 7 0
 I do agree that a clean cockpit looks nice but how important is the cosmetic appearance of that, while you are riding your mountain bike and looking ahead at the trail? Do you really notice 2 extra cables? (dropper and shifter cable) If you hear your cables rattling you can zip tie them, tape them, or use those swiveling cable clips.
  • 7 1
 Genuine question but do the majority of people micro adjust their dropper height? Generally mine is either fully up or fully down and never in between.
  • 6 0
 I'm adjusting mine pretty regularly based on the terrain. One big climb, one big descent, yeah, it's either up or down. Undulating terrain I do make micro adjustments regularly for sure.
  • 9 0
 Yep I'll ride plenty of trail sections with the seat down an inch or two or three because it's a mix of tech features where I want the maneuverability with seated pedaling sections in between. But I'm not so fussy as to go "dang I needed another 3.18mm of seat height for my optimal leg angle but this cable lever contraption is tooooooo much work" lol
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 @pakleni: I do a lot of technical climbing and find that a few mm down for the trickiest moves makes a big difference, at the expense of maximum pedalling efficiency. I think I adjust seat hight more often than I shift gears. No desire for wireless anything, though.
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 Wireless Droppers if made good an reliable can benefit older frames that dont come with the internal routing, theres limited choice with external droppers these days when compared to whats available with internal droppers. Yeh you can drill a hole in your frame and all manner of hack it up options if thats your thing.
  • 4 1
 I don't understand the need for the silver collar, its a total copy of AXS. And frankly, looks a bit cheesy. But no doubt it will be high quality, KS makes some great droppers
  • 3 0
 Recently put on a OneUp post and remote on my bike. Remote is hidden under the bar, can hardly see it compared to my rockshox lever. Anyway don’t see the point in wireless post, my cable post works like a jem.
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 I would suggest everyone be a little patient and wait for the Bikeyoke wireless dropper. Its not for me to say "when", but the release is immanent. It is substantially better than the KS model and has the very cool feature of looking exactly like a normal dropper. It will accommodate all saddles with no interference. No interference from the tire. And its all safely protected inside the tube. As for the price, I know as much as you guys do from reading the comments by Stefan. These guys are a class act. This is taking longer than the others because they are not compromising on the quality and performance. Its worth the wait.
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flag MuseWhisper (Nov 27, 2023 at 20:37) (Below Threshold)
 Oh, how touching! A poetic ode to the Bikeyoke wireless dropper. I think you are an ex-employee right? Please, spare us the suspense and drama. If it's so amazing, why not just drop it already? And of course, it's "worth the wait" – just another excuse for the delays. You sound like you're reading from a script written by Bikeyoke's PR team. Enjoy your fairy tale of a dropper that's apparently superior to everything else. We'll believe it when we see it.
  • 4 0
 I wonder how the maximum length from bottom/actuator to rails compares to oneup.
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 This is the real question! At a quick glance, it looks like it's ~22mm taller than the OneUp but it's hard to tell if that's stack height or insertion length.
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 @TheKolton: I took a look on vital and the 175mm version looks to be 35mm longer than the equivalent oneup if total length is the limiting factor for your bike
  • 1 0
 Just hope it needs servicing less than my oneup
  • 1 0
 @CrookedCrank: which version of OneUp do you have?
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 @mwysel: I have the V2 180mm
  • 2 1
 Honestly as far as dropper innovation goes the only things I really want to see is a quick release and adjust for the saddle to the post. Unless they can figure out how to not bury the schraeder valve under the seat which requires disassembly any time u want to air up your dropper. Maybe somewhere lower and out of the way, on the dropper body.......
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 I think I'd rather have the air valve on the top, rather than having to pull my post out every time I want to add air. Not really an issue with a wireless dropper, but if you run a cable-actuated dropper it can be a pain, especially with internal routing.
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 @zmcfadden28: I don't think you could have a dropper actuator and a valve at the bottom at the same time. So you should be safe there. On a wireless I'd much rather have the have the valve at the bottom and not have to take the seat off.
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 @zmcfadden28: no u misunderstand. not at the base of the base, but by the seat post collar. or the back of the seat. something that doesn't require you to disassemble anything.
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 @mattmatthew: adding more stuff to the seatpost collar is something we don't need. Customers definitely prefer a minimalist collar for maximum drop.
  • 1 0
 I'm not for all those wireless/batteries/bluetooth things but would have loved a wireless dropper! I had 2 bikes in 2015-2017 that were pain in the ass to pass those cables! And now my Banshee Titan is even worse as the seatpost is always cracking as it gets all dirty in that seattube...so every 2 weeks I could take it out and clean it!! Now its a twice a season thing as I have to take off the shock, then the cable with the foam doesn't want to move inside my downtube!! f*ck I just want that external cable routing like I have on my fatbike/had on my V1 Knolly Warden!! OR, this dropper post (I was waiting for the Bike Yoke one, next year). Anyway, too late for the party, after 2 years (3 but my XL I had first year wasn't noisy) of riding that noisy bike, I quit and will just buy a new one!
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 If you happen to have grip related issues, and some of us do, ulnar nerve damage etc., the wireless dropper is a extremely important piece of kit, worth every penny. Instead of having to partially un grip and swing the thumb through a arc, just tap and never disturb your grip. Shifting is a similar situation, not as critical but then my right is less impaired. It is surprising that Sram hasn't put out a longer post, I'm sure it'll be here soon.
  • 1 0
 I have a torn ligament in my thumb. I can’t press the seat post dropper remote that well. My occupational therapist suggested I get one of these wireless droppers. I said I would if Insurance would pay for it. I would like one, but sheesh $$
Though for the preservation of my thumb, it might be worth it
  • 3 0
 KS droppers are shit and the company is a real pain in the ass to deal with when they break. why would I want this over a reverb axs?
  • 1 0
 How much EMF does this radiate into your ball sack? Increase in MTB riders having testicular (or ovarian) cancer over the next 5-10 years due to this and other E-bike related technological advances? Maybe not, but who is asking the questions?
  • 1 0
 From all the wireless dropper systems on the market, I think I prefer the Magura Vyron because it does not come with rechargeable batteries. It uses standard CR2 and a CR2032 batteries that you can just keep as spare in the back pack or in the car and keep riding without worrying about recharges.
  • 1 0
 My least favorite thing about wireless droppers is the stack height. I replaced an AXS dropper that came stock on my old bike because I gained an extra 30mm+ by using a OneUp.

The thing I loved the most about that wireless dropper is that if I forgot to charge my derailleur battery (sadly, happened multiple times, never learned my lesson) I could swap it out with the seat post for the climb up
  • 1 0
 The stack height is very similar to the normal Reverb. OneUp simply has superior design compared to other manufacturers regarding travel usage.
  • 1 0
 stack height on that is no good unless you have a short seattube frame. we need a short stack height wireless dropper, someone should put the r and d into it. whatever effort was put into this thing is just wasted since its not gonna sell with that ridiculous stack
  • 2 0
 If this is somewhat reasonably priced I might have to go for this one. 200mm and matchmaker clamp, if this is cheaper than the reverb then it’s excellent.
  • 4 0
 "Up to 200mm of travel" Hooray!
  • 4 0
 Another 200mm wireless dropper...... come on sram
  • 4 0
 I can't ride today, I forgot to charge my seatpost
  • 4 0
 No price?
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 How much you want to pay... to avoid a 90mm length of cable
  • 5 1
 yet another quality PR that forgets the most basic and essential information ... good work people.
  • 4 0
 Seriously.
Price,
Length options and their insert/stack heights.
Weight.
Not that it really matters as the clamp looks janky as hell...
  • 7 0
 @browner: you must be REALLY small
  • 1 1
 If you have to ask…
  • 3 0
 Pick a dropper and be a dick about it !
  • 3 0
 The future is built in droppers. Less weight & more drop.
  • 1 0
 They lost me on the second sentence:

"Built with proven internals from KS’ popular LEV series"

That was one of the most unreliable posts I've ever owned.
  • 1 0
 Saddle clamp not compatible with Specialized Power mirror saddles with carbon railings
  • 2 0
 Ip67??? #GETDOWNANDSLIGHTLYDIRTY
  • 1 0
 Thats what I thought lol
  • 1 0
 This just made my dentist day !
  • 1 0
 @kindshock What does this cost? Can't find it on their website.
  • 1 0
 Anyone know which seat that is? Doesn’t look like the tioga?
  • 1 0
 Photoshopped Tioga?
  • 1 0
 Any information about maintainance? Guess no seal is dust tight forever
  • 2 1
 That remote is way to large and klunky. No tx!
  • 2 0
 Agree. Its hideous. For some reason, companies are building wireless controllers that then try to emulate mechanical levers. I don't get it. They should be using controls that benefit from electronics.
  • 1 4
 @CTDummy: If you're so brilliant, maybe you should enlighten those clueless companies with your unparalleled wisdom instead of whining here. Save us all from your profound insights, please.
  • 1 0
 I already own a wireless dropper. It has a cable
  • 1 0
 is their no grips that have the controls built in?
  • 2 2
 I get wireless droppers but I think the price tag is stupid.
  • 2 2
 People still buy KS posts? Whoa
  • 1 0
 They lost 90% of their market share. They got a brand new and beautiful factory in Tainan that is mostly empty now.
  • 1 5
flag MuseWhisper (Nov 27, 2023 at 20:34) (Below Threshold)
 @CTDummy: Oh, look at you, the Sherlock Holmes of corporate drama! I thinking you are an ex-employees are pulling some shady money moves or getting the boot for useless inventions? Maybe you should start a gossip column instead of throwing around these half-baked theories here.
  • 1 0
 @MuseWhisper: I don’t know about the factory, but KS was popular when i got into the sport in the mid 2000s, now I never see them around. They def lost their market share.
  • 1 0
 weight compared to axs?
  • 1 1
 Do I still need to smack it for it to extend like the last ks post I had?
  • 1 0
 About 20mm short tho
  • 1 0
 No 27.2. I'm oot
  • 8 9
 Sum ting wong . Too much monies .
  • 3 0
 Ho lee fuk bro
  • 2 1
 Bang ding ow. I like eating cows
  • 1 1
 lever is so bulky
  • 5 7
 The post and lever/paddle look terrible
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