First Look: Manitou's 180mm Mezzer Pro Fork and Mara Pro Shock - Garda Trentino 2019

May 5, 2019
by Daniel Sapp  

Manitou has been rocking the reverse arch fork for years now. It's had its ups and downs and bumps in the road and the team at Manitou/Hayes won't deny that. Now, with a completely revamped design program, their new Mezzer fork and Mara shock are looking to change things for the better.

With new leadership, headed by industry veteran Jon Swanson, the entire development program at Manitou has been scrapped and rebuilt from the ground up. The hopes are that by focusing on two categories each year instead of an incohesive program that didn't really have a ton of direction, Manitou will be able to develop better and more competitive products in what is a very competitive marketplace.

This year, the two categories are the J-Unit products and, as we have here, enduro suspension.

Mezzer Fork

There are two key pieces to the enduro platform, the Mezzer and Mara. Engineers for the enduro product were tasked with developing the fork to be 25% stiffer than the 36 and it has to weigh in at 2 kg. After some problem solving and engineering, Manitou came out with a fork that's right at 2 kg and is, according to Manitou, 30% stiffer than their 36mm competitor.

The 37mm stanchion fork is available in both 29" and 27.5" versions and is adjustable from 140-180mm, internally, via three spacer clips. There are 37, 44 and 51mm crown offset options and it is boost only.

The damper side of the fork has similar internals to the Mattock Pro with an external high and low-speed compression adjustment and a bladder cartridge damper to prevent air and oil from mixing as it can in a semi-bath in some conditions. The hydraulic bottom out from the Mattoc Pro also carries over but on this fork, it is fixed, and not adjustable as Manitou say that riders weren't using it on the Mattock Pro.






On the air side, the Mezzer uses a Dorado air system. When you screw the air pump on, it fills both the negative and positive at the same time. Chamber number three, at the top, is Manitou's IRT (Infinite Rate Tune) chamber. You fill the IRT first, and then the main. This sets the piston down at its lowest point. You can run a low positive air pressure in the main chamber to allow for good small bump sensitivity. Then as you ramp up pressure in the main through travel, the third chamber matches and opens up and gives more support. Manitou says this gives great small bump sensitivity and support through the stroke.

The cable routing on the fork is an upgrade from Manitou's previous offerings as you can run cables on the front or back. On the old forks you were relegated to a slew of zip ties or routing it on the back of the arch. The Mezzer will sell for $999.99 USD.

Mara Shock

One of the big pushes with product development was to make the front and rear suspension together, for the same end user and with the same focus. The Mara has externally adjustable HS and LS Compression, as well as rebound. The pedaling platform consists of "work" and "party" mode.

The key feature of the Mara is how easy it is to service by the user. Anyone with basic tools and a basic suspension knowledge should be able to tune shim stacks in this shock in their garage, according to Manitou, you only need a pin tool. The IFP pressure is only 150psi and although nitrogen is preferred, air works too. The Mara will sell for $579.99 USD.

How simple is it to disassemble? See the video below:

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Photos courtesy of Hayes

There's a new IFP piston that Manitou developed in conjunction with SKF. Most IFP's are rigid but this one is flexible. The center of the IFP flexes some before moving to help with small bump sensitivity, this will eventually carry over into Manitou's other shocks.

There are three reservoir lengths and three different air can volumes available, depending on the application. The whole idea is that it is all easy to tune and maintain, without a lot of fuss. I was able to get hands on the shock and it is indeed incredibly easy to take apart. Unfortunately, the weather didn't allow for me to get out and ride either product. We'll have ride impressions soon as we're able to throw the new suspension on a bike.


219 Comments

  • + 143
 Fox: climb, trail, descend (or CTD)
RS: open, pedal, firm
CC: climb switch
Manitou: work, party.

Only one of those companies got how mountain bikers actually think and feel. Just a detail, but well done.
  • + 22
 Might help us not forget to unlock it before the DH.
  • + 15
 For real, that really is the essence of mountain biking.
  • + 1
 Yep sounds like the correct labeling on that dial. I’m a total geek/gear head and I still have to think about how to explain (without mansplaining) to my wife about which position she should be using on her suspension given the circumstances. Work/Party so much easier, intuitive even. That switch alone makes the product worth buying.
  • + 76
 Just as light (if not a hair lighter), stiffer than Lyrik and Fox 180 *and* has internals of the under-rated Mattoc? Impressive.

But not quite as impressive as that last week's storm that hit Lake Garda. Quite the hit of winter
  • + 16
 A picture of black hole is still coolest.
  • - 23
flag faul (May 5, 2019 at 12:12) (Below Threshold)
 30% stiffer than a 36 is as stiff as a pike and still 5% less than a lyrik.
  • + 2
 video for the people who don't want to read
  • - 30
flag dobermon (May 5, 2019 at 15:36) (Below Threshold)
 Nice looking rear shock but is it manipoo
  • + 2
 Southern Alps. It's snowing heavily...
  • + 22
 The lettering on the lowers references the original Bradbury elastomer Manitou fork. I kind of want it just for nostalgic reasons.
  • + 7
 @PinkyScar: totally noticed that. I had an original... and it only worked well when I was pedaling a 40lb bag of dog food home on my handlebars.
  • + 14
 No doubt it's an impressive package; Manitou's high end offerings are solid from a performance point of view.

I get why you have to benchmark the competition when developing new product, but we would have preferred a 2.2kg fork with a CSU interface that creaks 75% less
  • + 2
 @dobermon: to this day one of the best feeling DH first I’ve ever had was an x vert carbon
  • - 1
 @meathooker: Sorry about that
  • + 3
 @dobermon:
You ever tried that fork?
It was absolutely amazing and wouldn't be far off most top level forks available today. Factor in that seal technology has gotten way better and i'd be curious to try it with modern seals for improved sensitivity. It would probably blow most peoples minds what Manitou had available during the dark ages of suspension.
It's especially funny as years later Rock Shox released their Motion Control plastic crap as an innovative product and Marzocchis were still weighing more than your car!
  • + 1
 @dobermon: have you ridden one of them?
  • + 1
 @ronufoh: "I get why you have to benchmark the competition when developing new product, but we would have preferred a 2.2kg fork with a CSU interface that creaks 75% less"

Your quote needed to be repeated. This, so much this! Fork mfrs, please add in a few grams and make crowns that last at least a year. Please? Pretty please?
  • + 3
 @PinkyScar: I had pair, certainly the best looking of all the retro brigade and still one of the best looking forks - and these look mint.
  • + 1
 @dobermon: are you a close-minded Fox/RS fan in need of underestimating smaller brands? Smile
  • + 2
 @ronufoh: I'm expecting zero creaking from these. Manitou stanchion press-fits are a lot tighter than the competition.

Some brands grease the stanchions into the crown. Once they have been ridden enough to squeeze the grease out of place the fretting and creaking starts.
  • + 1
 @hitarpotar: No your instincts serve you wrong. Have owned tried everything under the sun moto and mtb. Honestly Avalanche still destroys Push, RS, Evo, Man, etc. It's all rider perspective obviously and different terrain, but for going full balls Avalanche carts in any chassis.
  • + 2
 @Dougal-SC: colour me skeptical for a fork this light, this big, with this much travel to be ridden as hard as they say it is. We will see what the test of time says, I'm happy to keep an open mind for sure as Manitou's spring and damper package has veen very good for many years.
  • + 1
 @PinkyScar: I'd love to have the original Manitou 4 graphics. I don't think a better looking fork has ever been made.
  • + 73
 You had me at user serviceable. The tools required to replace just the air can seals on my X2 are ridiculous. Wrench flats easily could have been designed in. I hope the MTB world can welcome Manitou back to the party. I look forward to reviews with fingers crossed.
  • + 35
 Welcome back? They never left! People are just caught up with their shiny bronze-stanchion forks and don't realize that there are other options that are just as good, cheaper, and in some cases better!
  • + 3
 @stumphumper92: In some ways yes. I had a Mottoc when they first came out, then got the IRT for it. Good fork, but I ultimately wanted something stiffer and more burly. Ended up with a '16 36, Push tune and aftermarket air piston running 20mm axle. I'm much happier with that, for my riding. I do still run a Dorado on my V10 though. Love that fork.

And yes, this new fork would certainly fit the burlier bill, but I've had my 36 for almost 3 years now. Also, I've never liked the backwards arch.
  • + 4
 @intensemack10: surely if you're a fan of a stiff fork then the Dorado isn't a great option?
  • + 2
 @stumphumper92: true they have always had good performing products at the top end. BUT aftermarket support, parts availability, shop serviceability, quick turn around, are all huge considerations when dropping money on suspension. In my experience, this has been lacking with Manitou even in a hot market like Vancouver here.
  • + 1
 @AlanMck: it’s never been an issue for me. It’s always felt great.
  • + 2
 @ronufoh: ya, support for the Manitou stuff in Canada has lacked - although there is a guy in North van that does support it now.

That said, I do all my own work on my Mattoc and it is by far the fork I appreciate the most.
  • - 3
 @intensemack10: Doesn't get much better than a 20mm 36 with a Push ACS3 coil for a trail bike.
  • + 1
 @onemind123: yeah Zac Smith has been floating around for a while working on Manitous but its not easy to get a hold of him, for me at least. I went to a couple of bigger LBS' in the city and neither could help me out with what I needed Manitou wise, a fairly simple wear replacement part
  • + 2
 @Zsmith: cheers. For future reference that works better than your phone number?
  • + 5
 Yeah user serviceable is a big one for me. I understand many people these days don't read user manuals anymore but I may be the odd one out there who actually reads the manual before buying a product. How much service does it need? Can I do it? What tools do I need? Are tools and spares readily available?

Indeed Manitou has never been away but they've had some reliability issues a decade ago or so (just like most brands at some point) and somehow that image appeared to have stuck. But they've been huge in the OEM market 15 years ago. It was like half the complete bikes had Hayes Nine brakes (because their PM brake mounts and flippable masters were really convenient for bike manufacturers), Sun rims and also loads of Manitou suspension. Once SRAM grew huge (which I attribute mostly to the fact that Shimano pushed these rapid rise rear mechs and also because the Avid/SRAM brakes also adopted the "quick out the door" approach to mounting brakes), Hayes never got that OEM market back. For a company the size of Hayes, this OEM market is essential and after a good couple of years of big S domination in both the OEM market as well as in racing, it seems we're seeing more variation again. So I expect they'll make it back in there, though there won't be domination anymore. It won't be next year though. They do need a more complete line up of affordable quality stuff for everything between XC/trail up to gravity. Once they release a XC/trail or otherwise affordable variation on their Dominion brake (with that kind of caliper adjustment) they'll become interesting. Unlike SRAM though, they just can't offer a drivetrain. Unless they get off that PeteSpeed gearbox patent they bought from BeOne and actually start doing something with it. It seems there is still a following for this kind of stuff and (just like Suntour) they'll probably be able to offer it at a lower price than the French and Germans.
  • + 6
 @Zsmith: I hope you just shut up the whiners.

I’d rather have to order replacement parts I can install myself for $20 and wait a few days than have to send off my entire fork, pay $200 for basic service, and have to do it again when it feels like crap in 5 months.
  • + 2
 @vinay: Almost everything had hayes brakes and sun rims back in the day (thinking early/mid 2000s) and probably half of bikes came with a manitou fork, they were prolific then went away pretty quickly when sram started coming in. Hayes nine brakes were the nuts back then and were around for a few years but didnt seem to change or get any better while avid brakes were becoming more popular. I remember they released the stroker brake but it never really caught on. Also the forks were amazing, but only 50% of the time and would eat their stanchions after a year of riding, nobody would service thier forks back then, most people would see oil out of the fork or marks on the tubes and go oh shit and sell the bike.
  • + 4
 That backwards arch is sickest think since the M arch from Marzocchi @intensemack10:
  • + 2
 @intensemack10:
I loved my Dorado. And Im a big dude lol. I also had no issues getting parts here in the states. Local bike had just about everything for them in stock.
  • + 3
 @zyoungson: Back in the dark days it was Manitou that killed their OEM sales. SPV was the issue.

Then they lost OEM, ran out of money, Hayes bought them and it's been upwards ever since. Everything made since 2008 has been rock solid, just unheard of. Even the TPC stuff made back in the dark days are great performers by todays standards.
  • + 28
 Mezzer has larger negative spring than the mattoc while the IRT volume is smaller. Been running 60/110psi in my main spring/IRT. No horrible ramp up, no bottoming out with the HBO and IRT pressure. The newer seals made a difference to the small bump. No need to fit aftermarket bits and bobs on this fork and no need for a coil either.

Marra has independant circuts for party and play modes. Not just preloading the shims like other shocks. Shame I like a coil
  • + 34
 Wait- so the Marra is similar to my Push 11-6 with 2 valve settings and costs less than half and I wont need to sell my kidney If i want to tune it?

F*ck me
  • + 17
 @NotNamed: same basic concept, but the second valve for the climb mode is only tuneable by internal shim stack. Most people don't need to tune the climb mode, so the adjustments would be a moot point anyway.
  • + 2
 @NotNamed: you can tune the second one independantly of the first but it won't be the same as the 11-6 as that has a patent.
  • + 1
 Independent tuned circuits are pretty easy to achieve with twin-tube designs. I wish more brands opened their eyes to this technology.
  • + 1
 @poah: doesn't EXT Storia have something simmilar?
  • + 1
 @poah going purely by the flag next to your name, can you advise anywhere in Scotland or the UK that i could source a new MC2 damper cartridge for my Mattoc Pro forks?
  • + 1
 @RustyMac: you tried CRC/wiggle? also try the German sites bike24 and bike-discount.
  • + 1
 @poah: Yeah but no joy. CRC had them ages ago but not seen them on their site for a good while.

Nothing on the German sites either unfortunately.
  • + 2
 @RustyMac: www.shockcraft.co.nz/mattoc-pro-mc2-compression-damper-manitou.html I've ordered from Dougal before - doesn't take long to come either.
  • + 1
 @RustyMac: CRC (aka Hotlines) are the UK agents. Call them or get your shop to.
  • + 1
 @Dougal-SC: Good luck with that lol
  • + 2
 @poah, @Dougal-SC : Hotlines being the UK agents is the biggest gripe i have for Manitou and Hayes bike group stuff here in the UK. They seem to have little or no interest in supporting or keeping a reasonable stock of stuff.

I have had excellent customer service from the Manitou support base in Germany in the past so have emailed them about this. Hopefully they will be able to help this time too. It is however a little frustrating that you need to go out of country to get support, it would be awesome if the distributor actually supported the stuff they sell but i suspect Hayes bikes would need to step in actively pursue a new UK distributor for that to happen.
  • + 2
 @RustyMac: totally agree. Hayes would be better off having 1 guy with a small warehouse supporting stopre orders in the UK, and working with service centres to provide end customer support. It would cut massive chunks of cost from the product and up the service levels.
  • + 1
 @benpinnick: Would bird be interested in this??
  • + 2
 @RustyMac: yup terrible terrible service from hotlines. Had a mattoc which had issues with the bushings from new, wiggle/ crc wouldnt take it back to even look at it, hotlines suggested lbs repair. Mailed hayes europe, new lowers with me within the week, problem sorted. Hayes need to find another distributer over here, hotlines are dreadful.
  • + 23
 Between the Manitou 1 decals and the purple front hub that first photo has some serious 90’s vibe. Ringle hubs are making a comeback, a purple set would look sweet with this fork.
  • + 10
 I love the reto looks! I hope they do Manitou 3s, 4s and EFCs as their livery. How rad will that be!
  • + 9
 @panzer103: as a mtber of a certain age, I also hope they do the same as well.
  • + 5
 @deli-hustler: Harking right back to the Tomac/Yeti C-26 days. I would absoluely run that fork... and 37mm stanchions - yes please!
  • + 20
 Still love my Mattoc. Very underrated fork that is just as good, if not better, than the leading brands.
  • + 18
 I’m running their new Circus PRO fork on my DJ/slope and it is amazing. Easily as good as my Pike, and half the price. Really excited to see what these guys do in the next few years.
  • + 14
 I would really like to test that Mara shock. If it's easily tunable and serviceable it might be that something fresh on the market that we all are waiting for.
  • + 3
 Agreed.
  • + 4
 The base valve will be tuneable without the need for a full bleed. It's a good design
  • + 15
 “Questionable success”?? What’s that even mean? Probably one of the most successful, reliable brands there is!
  • + 12
 Success in terms of units sold, both OEM and aftermarket. In the last 10 years in the global suspension market, Manitou has not been a great success in regards to either of those metrics.
  • + 8
 @ka-brap: Unfortunately the only product that seems to have don’t well is the Circus, but that’s only within a small niche. The products aren’t the issue- The Hayes Dominion brake gets glowing reviews, but those haven’t really taken off.

Hopefully they can get some OEM contracts to get things rolling again. A couple sponsored riders to push their stuff on the enduro & DH circuit wouldn’t hurt, either.
  • + 3
 @ninjatarian: The man reason dominion hasn't taken off is the horrid copper/faded-cheap-black-ano colour they come in. All brakes should hade a polished silver or black version.
  • + 4
 @feeblesmith: maybe the "stroker ace" are to blame. Hard to trust Hayes after these.
  • + 1
 Historically Manitou forks were unreliable. I had a Manitou Minute fork around 2007 which went wrong very quickly. Very lightweight (for the time), but not at all robust.

That was a looong time ago now though and the latest crop are top notch by all accounts. 2kg with 37mm stanchions and adjustabletravel? Yes please.
  • + 6
 @faul: The Hayes El Camino ruined their reputation for brakes long before the Stroker Ace was ever in the picture.
  • + 2
 @ninjatarian: cough cough Hayes 9
  • + 4
 @makripper: Never had an issue with Hayes 9 or HFX 9- they were not amazing in any way, but they were durable and were used on more bikes than you could shake a stick at, at the time- probably due to the lack of competition back then.
  • + 2
 @ninjatarian: i constantly broke mine. The plastic piston/lever interface always broke. Lots of my riding buddies had the same issues
  • + 3
 @makripper: Can't recall which Hayes brakes I've got, pretty simple and inexpensive, but they've been abused for years and still are great. I think my buddy's are fine too.
  • + 1
 @mtbikeaddict: I've had Hayes stroker trail (carbon) for nearly 10 years with no major issues. They were good brakes. Only upgraded to save some weight.
  • + 1
 @ninjatarian: The dominion brakes dont seem to have taken off because they are expensive and dont look particularly good, other side of things sram have managed to push some absolute dogshit products on the back of thier outrageous marketing and the fact the products look decent. surely the pricing must be ok going by the amount of oem product that is out there. I personally think Manitou/hayes/sun rims have a long way to go because a lot of people riding now have possibly never heard of them, but is interesting to see them coming out with some more relevant products
  • + 1
 @zyoungson: Yeah, the Dominions are expensive for sure. Hopefully the prices might come down if the OEMs coming knocking and production ramps up.
  • + 1
 @mtbikeaddict: hfx9 which were basically a mag is bulletproof
  • + 1
 I had several Hayes brakes: Nine, Purple, Stroker Trail and Stroker Gram. Never had any problemas.
Purple Hayes were one of the most powerful and consistent brake I tried, and could easily hold it's own with todays Codes and Saints.
  • + 1
 What exactly was at fault with the Aces? Had a pair of those for 4-5 years: i’ve bled them 2 or 3 times and they’ve been flawless, which is great given my perfect braeking technique with warping the rear brake. Smile @faul:
  • + 1
 @hitarpotar: they were the least powerfull of all the "stroker", and if they weren't treated with more love than your wife one of the 4 pots would stick forever. Replaced two pairs of stroker for friends, one with the lower-end stroker and he was fine, the other with elixirs 5 and they were ok until the lever broke.
  • + 1
 The only time i had problems with the Aces was when i overheated completely the rear brake on a super brutal and very long dh-course and i wasn’t yet familiar with braking techniques. And i’m a heavy guy. My guess is i would have warped any brake on the market with the way i used the brakes back then. Other than this, it’s all been set and forget with the Aces, absolutely enough power and modulation for me. Smile @faul:
  • + 1
 @hitarpotar: My buddy has Stroker Ace on his 09 Stinky Deluxe... granted one doesn't work now, but also granted after about a decade it could use a bleed or something Wink lol
  • + 1
 @feeblesmith: for all their excellent engineering, they look like horrible low-end OEM jobbies.
  • + 1
 @feeblesmith: agreed, the copper was a bad move to start with.
  • + 10
 "Now, with a completely revamped design program, their new Mezzer fork and Mara shock are looking to change things for the better."

Just look at the PB and MTBR forums and compare customer satisfaction between Fox, RS and Manitou forks and shocks... Fox is mediocre at best, RS does pretty well, but most haven't tried other brands than the big two, and Manitou generally does very well. Since most Manitou riders started on Fox and/or RS, I'd say they have already been doing well in real life. The only thing that held them back was marketing and exposure. Probs to PB for covering them. Hopefully we'll see a review of both the Mezzer and Mara. New releases of Fox 34 or Float iteration 158 (we finally have the damping sorted out now!) are covered everywhere. I want to see X-Fusion, DVO, BOS, Suntour, etc. !

O and please, they only made 1 enduro fork up until now and it's been out for 5 years already. Please use the right spelling (Mattoc and not Mattock).
  • + 10
 Hmmm, i‘ve always loved manitou stuff for the amazing value and the good servicibility.
But this one comes in exactly 40% more expansive than the last mattoc (msrp in eur vs. msrp in eur) so it is in line now with all high end forks and it will be hard to outperform those (stiffness is no arguement for me). So my first excitement is well dampened, haha.
  • + 6
 The mattoc damping was better at that time to all and still is to some "HIGHEND" competitors. The only fork with no need for aftermarket tuning. I think you habe not had proper ride time on that fork and adjusted it to your liking if you experienced it but did not like it
  • + 5
 Well, Mattoc damping was already better than Fox 34 and RS Pike and easily equal or better than the 36 and Lyrik of the time. Only thing lacking compared to Pike, 36 and Lyrik was stiffness. Since the damper is improved and the stiffness should now be on par or sightly better than a Lyrik, I think it actually won't be that hard to outperform those.
  • + 8
 @Mac1987:
You realise the damper in the pike and lyrik is identical?
  • + 2
 @sam264: not in the Pike that was priced on the same level as the Mattoc (Pike RC).
  • + 0
 @Mac1987:
Yes it is, still a charger damper.
  • + 6
 @sam264: at least the shim stacks were completely different, ruining the ride for a lot of people on the RC. You can call both of them 'Charger'. That doesn't mean the tuning and performance is equal.
Furthermore, the MC2 damper in the Mattoc is also vastly superior to the RCT3 Pike, especially when the stock tuning is not compatible with your riding or body weight. Combined with the performance improvements possible with the introduction of IRT, I'm comfortable saying the MC2 damper still outperforms the current Charger damper. I therefore have no trouble believing the Mezzer will easily be worth its money as much as the comparatively priced forks from the bit two.
  • + 1
 @sam264: *big two
  • + 1
 @bansaiman: you misunderstood me. I am nowhere referring to the mattoc‘s performance at the time and I am happy to confirm your findings. That‘s what I meant by amazing value in the past. I am referring to the mezzer and the competition now is 36, selva, öhlins, cc and maybe mrp. Maybe it will be little bit better, but others got a lot better, too. So the playing field NOW is a lot more level imo. And the mezzer does not have the price advantage anymore. The mattoc had that. That‘s what I am saying.
  • + 8
 I've had a mattoc pro for years. Best fork over had, user serviceable, reliable, plush and stiff. Beast. The only thing better with a pike or 36 is simply marketing
  • + 8
 Manitou good job. I got mattoc and thus is very good fork. Way better than pike. With 37 stanchion must be incredible stiff.
  • + 7
 Sounds like they've been incestuous with MX-Tech on their quasi-rigid IFP setup. Not a bad thing.
  • + 3
 All righ fellas, you were bonnering when Marzocchi Z1 has come from afterworlds but indeed it was £ucking Fox36 with different stickers. Now, when real gamer gave what everyone has been begging for from years you behavie like a stripling. I'm happy with performance of most of these days forks but for £uck sake, here is Manitou! The brand that does not give a $hit and since I remember it has been as good as RockShox or Marzocchi back in 90' or 00' when Fox had just been starting with mtb stuff. Show some respect and let's wait for actual Mezzer performane review. Cheers for allof you!!
  • + 5
 Sickest fork graphics I've seen in about 20 years. Actually looks better now with the reverse arch and what a great deal.
  • + 3
 Which directions is this stiffer than a 36? I know a lot of people will question whether it’s worth it but after you been use to a double crown, single crown always feel a little under gunned in truly brutal terrain
  • + 8
 there you go: 37mm Chassis that is the stiffest single crown fork on the market.

Torsionally, the Mezzer is 30% stiffer than a Fox 36, 16% stiffer than a Ohlins RFX36, 1% stiffer than a Lyrik

Fore-aft, the Mezzer is 7% stiffer than a 36, 20% stiffer than a RFX, and 4% stiffer than a Lyrik
  • + 3
 Their press video mentioned it is most torsionally stiff single crown fork ontm
  • + 2
 @ibishreddin: it's the most torsional stiff in the world right now. Fore-aft it's not as stiff as some dual crown forks, but stiffer than the single crown competition
  • + 2
 While I've bitched about this elsewhere, but can get an updated Mattoc 29 with proper tire clearance and lower weight? I feel like the Mezzer makes the similar weight Mattoc 29 redundant. Would love a Pike-esque or 34-esque 3.9lbs Mattoc 29 that'll fit a 29x2.8.
  • + 1
 One has to wonder, is 35 or 36mm diameter large enough for these 180mm 29er forks...
  • + 1
 @jaame: Fox 40 forks make boxxers look noodley. Not sure what the actual performance pros and cons are... flex sometimes translates to grip, but the huck to flat slo mo videos of single crown forks showed scary amounts of flex.
  • + 1
 @nordicMT: the best fork I've tried was a 120 travel fox 32. The biggest fork I had was a totem. It needed a service every two days. There is definitely more striction associated with larger diameter legs, but they look a lot cooler and are surely stronger and stiffer. Especially considering how long they are getting with the popularity of LT 29ers
  • + 0
 @Naturel: Some 2.8 tires are lighter than some 2.4 tires, depending on casing.

The ability to fit a larger selection of tire size widths and diameters is for versatility. Maybe I want to use that fork on my Plus Bike, or my bikepacking bike, or maybe DH bike. Not all of us have a fork for every use and a garage full of bikes that rarely get ridden. I like one, very versatile bike.
  • + 2
 I'm running a 26+ bike at the moent with those 2.8 tyres. Rubbish! It's grippy, but rolls slower than a steamroller that's run out of diesel!
  • + 6
 The new phallic reservoir grows with the length of stroke
  • + 6
 They should have called it the pinocchio
  • + 1
 @takeiteasyridehard: yes!! Smashpot was taken
  • + 2
 Love'd the Mattock I had... Way better than the pike I had.... HBO is a great feature and beats tokens by a country mile. Only issue was not as stiff as I'd like.... So this sounds like an amazing fork. And looks a beaut
  • + 5
 A big manitou single crown fork, what is this 2003?
  • + 5
 Imma buy it and run it at 140mm on a new Trek Fuel EX :-D
  • + 2
 Go 150 if possible and thank me later
  • + 1
 Internally adjustable without having to buy an air shaft.

Dorado Air spring ain’t too shabby. Lighter than a Lyric or 36..

Unless I’m mistaken, Mattoc internal means that travel can be adjusted on the trail using a shock pump.

I’d consider it, but I just got a 2019!Factory 36 for $600, hard to justify an additional $400 when the average for today does not suck.
  • + 3
 After owning an ever exploding cc db inline, user servicability is now my number one metric for suspension purchases. Looks rad, much want.
  • + 1
 I most definitely welcome back more service friendly suspension in an age where things tend to get more and more complicated. As a side note on reorganizing their program, I applaud that as well because years ago I was sponsored by Hayes/Manitou/Sun Ringle and it was an absolute nightmare trying to actually get any product in hand so I hope that side has improved as well.
  • + 4
 Manitou has such an amazing history, I’d love to see them make a comeback and help make the market even more competitive.
  • + 1
 I think we all remember the horror of Manitou in the early noughties (Dorado & Swinger 4X exception) when people used to stick Bomber stickers on them to hide the fact they were Manitous.

I remember after selling my full susser during knee surgery recovery ordering a new bike instead of building one. It came with the new Manitou Mattoc's. At first I was like oh god no Manitous. After setting them up and riding them I was blown away, they are super stiff and really plush at the same time. Manitou have really upped their game and are now to be taken seriously.

I rate my Manitou Mattocs in the same feel category as my Fox Float 36's and My Bos Deville TCR. Pros over the Fox are not having stupid service intervals and Pros over the BOS is actually having some customer supports and parts availability Big Grin
  • + 1
 I'd really like a remote option on the Mara. It's one thing missing from my DPX2 and no, I don't want Fox's remote on there. Looking forward to ditching Fox so I don't have to deal with Fox. I hope they can use the design elements of the Mezzer into a new Mattoc that is around 1850 grams.
  • + 5
 those look pretty bad ass!
  • + 1
 Granted they are a few years old, but I prefer my 2013 Dorado Expert over my 2011 Boxxer World Cup. Glad to see some good innovation out of Manitou, and these forks looks sooo good. Not always a fan of the reverse arch but I think it works/looks better on the long travel fork.
  • + 4
 I don’t want to but, I am selling my Mattoc for this one!
  • + 5
 buy a hardtail and fit the mattoc on it.
  • + 3
 This guy is very convincing @faul:
  • + 1
 I have a 160mm Mattoc Pro. I never think about so I guess it's doing the job well. I actually think the cable routing on my fork is better than the 'upgraded' version, which looks like a zip tie around the leg...
  • + 4
 we want MATLOCK!!!!!!!!!
  • + 4
 Fu*k yeah!! Manitou!!
  • + 1
 This has me tempted to make my next bike full custom vs grabbing a bike and changing out what I don't want. Would love to be back on Manitou again.
  • + 3
 I'm waiting for the day when Gwinn or Bruni win using a Dorado fork
  • + 1
 I have a Manitou Circus Expert on my DJ and it's a really really really good fork. If this new one is anything like the Circus, then it'll be an awesome fork.
  • + 4
 Lets be honest is it really that hard to make a dirt jump fork, just make it beefy af then pump the air pressure til it hardly moves?
  • + 1
 @zyoungson: This is true, but I use my DJ for things other than DJ-ing. I take it out on the street and doubletrack to exercise my dog so it's not always in full stiff mode. And it sees more pump track than dirt jumping. The compression and rebound damping is very well controlled. I feel like the Pike DJ and 36 DJ is just stiff for the sake of being stiff. While the Circus has an an actual damper that can handle a little more than just dirt jumping.
  • + 3
 Loving the OG silver decals on black lowers.
  • + 1
 Let's agree to disagree. I think manitou design aesthetics is what's been holding them back from greater success these last 10 years
  • + 1
 yep backwards arch just look wrong
  • + 1
 @freestyIAM: yeah. I think so too. Although my post got deleted from PB. Thanks guys. Don't let people comment if you don't like what we have to say.
  • + 1
 @PabloMoll: Comments don't get deleted. Your peers chose to downvote it, and now it is hidden at the bottom of the page unless you click "Below threshold threads are hidden"
  • + 2
 That unfinished (is it?) fork gets me nostalgic for the 1990s Manitou forks! If they perform well I’d be interested.
  • + 2
 Did anyone else notice that shock reservoir looks like a dick and comes in 3 different lengths?
  • + 4
 You should see a Dr. About that
  • + 1
 Only in metric sizing or old standard als well ? Would be a shame if only in metric since i think a fair amount of buyers ar People in the aftermarkt with older frames.
  • + 1
 They’re doing metric including trunnion and the longest sizes of standard.
  • + 2
 Weird to see my last name on a product. How did you guys land on Mara? Do I get a free one?
  • + 1
 So will it actually be available in the Raw Alu look?
Only pictures of the black one on manitous site...
  • + 1
 The Shock sounds too good to be true -- then I look up the sizing options: metric/trunnion -- it is too god to be true Frown
  • + 1
 They’ll have longer standard sizes also.
  • + 2
 Dorothy Manitou is a Saint!
  • + 1
 Perhaps hold off on the review, until you have reviewed the product in action...
  • + 2
 why don't you just make the 36 stiffer? yes, but mine goes to 37...
  • + 1
 parallel axis theorem
  • + 3
 Manitou ain’t dead!
  • + 1
 $999 today, $748 in the winter because it’s a Manitou. I loved my Mattoc but it was a bit flexy. This looks great.
  • + 1
 The Mattoc was born nearly three product cycles ago. Way back in 2009ish. We've since got the 1st Gen Pike, the 2nd Gen Pike, and revisions to it's dampers. The 36 has gone through 3 (almost 4) damper revisions since then.
  • + 7
 @PHeller: Mattoc was released in 2014, same time as the pike. The Mattoc series has had damper and other upgrades along the way, just like any other product on the market. The big difference is that Manitou doesn't create a press release every time something changes.
  • + 2
 Would've been handy to know available shock dimensions.
  • + 1
 Metric sizes and the larger imperial sizes will be available. Smallest imperial size I believe is 200x56
  • + 1
 Please 20 mm axle and this will be perfect
  • + 1
 Manitou needs a fender to go with the reverse arch
  • + 7
 Integrated bolt on fender comes with every fork
  • + 1
 @mullen119: I can't seem find a fender for my Markhor!
  • + 3
 @lehott: ahhhhh. Yes,only the Mattoc and Mezzer have integrated fenders(some Mattocs don't either)

Blackburn barrier mudguard is what a few guys run when the direct mounts are not an option, should work good on a Markhor
  • + 1
 Finally, a fork named after me Smile
  • + 2
 I love u manitou
  • + 1
 the arch position very troublesome
  • + 3
 Not in any way! Been riding these for ten years plus.... Never any problems
  • - 3
 I’ve owned a Mattoc with IRT and a dorado. Both great performing forks. I wish Manitu would come to their senses to put a forward arch on the forks. I know they say it is stiffer, but it’s cutting into their sales!!!
  • + 1
 Silver is the new black
  • + 1
 2019 is all about silver
  • - 1
 Why does the fork have to be stiffer than the Fox 36? It’s already stiff enough... May as well call this the Stiffler.
  • + 13
 A Fox 36 isn’t stiff enough. Ride a dual crown fork on your trail bike and then you’ll know
  • - 4
flag thunder-nuggets (May 5, 2019 at 9:40) (Below Threshold)
 the 36 feels like a noodle, so flimsy
  • + 8
 few years ago 36 was pretty stiff (when they used to use proper axle and weren´t trying to sell their forks by making them lighter, shorter in AC lenght and more prone to creaking), nowadays though...
  • + 16
 Because people need something to blame when they ride like shit. Sometimes it's a fork that isn't stiff enough.
  • - 7
flag WAKIdesigns (May 5, 2019 at 10:14) (Below Threshold)
 @kleinblake: who needs more stiffness than 36 for a trail bike? Not even your GF.
  • + 2
 @WAKIdesigns: I know kleinblake said trail bike, but this is a 180mm fork. It's going to be playing the role that a shorter travel dual crown fork would have a few years ago on the superenduro/freeride bikes that serve the DH/park riding needs of the vast majority of non-racers.
  • - 7
flag WAKIdesigns (May 5, 2019 at 11:00) (Below Threshold)
 @MarcusBrody: I own Lyrik and used it in 180 setting so I know how that feels
like. And it feels exactly how it should. I need to first see those hordes of folks smashing and schralping high speed berms like Phil Atwill or Adam Brayton to realize how much stiffness they need. Stiffness obsession coming from a company making Dorado, come on... is this even real?
  • + 5
 @WAKIdesigns: Don't the numbers Mondbiker posted above suggest that this is pretty much exactly as stiff as the Lyrik? I can't imagine many people can feel 1 and 4% differences. So, it seems like this bike would fit your ideal for feeling in any case.
  • + 1
 @kleinblake: was just talking about that to a buddy of mine last night. I really wanna just put a dual crown on my next enduro bike just because I love how it never feels like it glances off of things like my 36 does.
  • + 1
 @weezyb: I’ve done it, and it is truly eye opening for how much single crown forks are lacking.

@marcusbrody I may use the term trail bike too loosely, when enduro bike is more appropriate
  • + 1
 @weezyb: the MRP Bartlett is a 4.4kg dual crown beauty designed for “Super Enduro”
  • + 1
 @kleinblake: actually been thinking of a short travel boxxer for my slash. Its heavier I know but so stiffer than my pikes
  • - 2
 Pricing?
  • - 1
 Probably below what you expect, then will be cranked up when they get market share
  • - 2
 Stiflers mom is stiffer
  • - 2
 My mattoc pro gave up after 8 months of use,never again!
  • + 7
 Sounds like you gave up?
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