First Look: Pivot's New Shuttle SL is a Flyweight eMTB

Aug 2, 2022
by Matt Beer  


Lightweight E-bikes seem to all the rage these days and Pivot is the latest brand to join the crowd with their Shuttle SL, which weighs a claimed 36.25 lb (16.44 kg). To achieve that low number the frame is fully constructed from carbon and features a 430 Wh battery and a Fazua motor that produces 60 Nm of torque. Pivot chose to make the battery integrated to save 500 grams by reducing the tube wall thickness and eliminating any hardware needed for quick removal.

Judging by the spec and geo, this is not a long-travel enduro weapon, because the rear travel tops out at 132mm of travel and the head tube angle is a steady 65º. That aligns it closely to bikes like the Trek Fuel EX-e, which we recently tested, and the Specialized Turbo Levo SL.

Shuttle SL Details
• Travel: 132mm rear, 140/150mm front
• Wheel size: 29"
• Frame material: carbon
• Head angle: 65°
• Battery: 430 Wh
• Motor: Fazua Ride 60
• Sizes: S, M, L, XL
• Weight: 16.44 kg / 36.25 lb
• MSRP: $8,299 - 11,999 USD
pivotcycles.com
The Shuttle SL comes in four build kits that start at $8,299, three of which use a 150mm travel fork, but the World Cup drops down to 140mm.


A 430 Wh battery is housed in the frame, and an external range extender is in the works.

A series of 5 LEDs are used to indicate the riding mode and the battery level.
Fazua's low-profile Ring Control makes it possible to quickly switch between modes.


Frame and Powerplant Details

While there is no definitive answer as to how far you go on a single charge from the 430 Wh battery, Pivot says they have been able to complete 3-4 hour rides with 1000 meters of climbing regularly with a few bars of battery life left. In case that's not enough, the Fazua range extender will be available in the first half of 2023. The main battery takes 3.5 hours to charge from fully empty and, as mentioned, is integrated into the frame to reduce weight and is not easily removable.

The Fazua motor has three power assist modes; Breeze, River, and Rocket which can be toggled with the tidy looking thumb remote. Like most motors, Fazua has created an app to tune those assist levels and is covered by a 2-year warranty. The integrated top tube display unit isn't as elaborate as some other brands' bikes, but it shows key factors such as the power and battery level.

Typical Pivot frame details include DW-link suspension, 157mm Super Boost rear wheel spacing, and a Universal Derailleur Hanger. Pivot has also built the suspension characteristics to work with a coil shock too, although they recommend a Fox DHX2 for the best compatibility in that regard. The build kits come with 140 and 150mm of front wheel travel, but there is the option to fit a 160mm fork.


Geometry

To keep the handling quick and take advantage of the lightweight bike on less demanding trails, the head angle of the Shuttle SL is a moderately slack 65 degrees and features short chainstays. Those change with the frame size from 430mm on the small and medium frames, to 432 on the large and 436 on the XL. All of the rear triangles use the same mold, so that means that the alteration is done by moving the pivot placement on the front triangle, a mold that is tweaked for the different sizes anyways.

The Shuttle SL has a flip-chip to steepen the head angle to 65.5-degrees in the "high" mode, or make it compatible with a 27.5" rear wheel. In terms of reach, the four size span between 435 and 500mm. There is a large gap between the small and medium of 30mm, but only a 13mm jump up to the LG at 478mm.

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Specs and Pricing

There's no denying that eMTB pricing isn't cheap, however, you need to factor in the additional cost for a battery and motor, plus the extra engineering that goes into fitting those components into such a light frame. The starting price for a Shimano SLX/XT component pack is $8,299 USD and includes a Fox Performance E-MTB 36 Grip 150mm travel fork and Performance Float X shock. DT Swiss alloy wheel are used on the two lower price points, while the two team builds feature Reynolds Blacklabel Carbon 309 rims with Industry Nine Hydra hubs. All of the builds use Fox suspension and, interestingly enough, the Team World Cup option includes the light 34 E-MTB fork chassis with 150mm of travel.

Ride SLX
SLX/XT - $8,299
Pro X01
Pro XO1 - $9,999

Team XTR
Team XTR - $11,599
Team XTR World Cup
Team XTR World Cup - $11,999

The Shuttle SL is available now through Pivot's dealer network and we will be spending some time on it in the coming weeks of August, so stay tuned for First Ride impressions.







258 Comments

  • 108 18
 Must have hit development budget limit before it was the graphic designers turn Big Grin

Super dope bike though otherwise. Literally lighter then my kitted enduro Big Grin
  • 27 8
 Weird yeah, the blue one looks weirdly dated. Weird.
  • 61 7
 they saw trek's new wittle wogo and decided they wanted a cute wittle wogo too
  • 8 2
 ...which is weirdly the one thing that is fine about this bike. Who cares about looks anyways.
  • 17 2
 @ryanandrewrogers: whos a good wittle wogo??
  • 48 1
 Seriously lightweight. My Madonna weighs 2 pounds more than this thing and I pedal it all day. Lightweight e-bike with just a little pedal assist is starting to make sense...
  • 45 15
 @pisgahgnar: Yea. Just enough to take the agony out of those punchy bits, or add in an extra lap or two. You watch, the ridiculous haters will all have one of these in the next 5-8 years and make believe they were always fans. The way of things, I guess...
  • 10 16
flag dvcpinkbike (Aug 2, 2022 at 8:10) (Below Threshold)
 @Muscovir: yeah too many comments about 'dated' bikes anymore, everyone is expecting new bikes to look like Unno or Bold. Maybe the modern bikes work well - just look at Santa Cruz and tell me they don't look dated. They're ugly as fck.
  • 3 1
 @trippleacht: Looks like the exact same paint on my 2019 stumpy expert
  • 12 2
 @Chuckolicious: I think 5-8 years is on the long end. I'm in that group (not a hater at all, just like to pedal) but I sure as hell will get one when I can no longer ride up reasonably. It's better than not riding.
  • 5 1
 @pisgahgnar: My thoughts too. Until I realized my buddy on his Levo SL in full turbo couldn’t keep up with me in Eco mode on my full power Levo. That said, this Pivot has a bigger battery and nearly 2x as much torque as the Levo SL. This will put pressure on the other makers to step up their game.
  • 5 3
 @ryan-pnw: I’m not slow up hill and regularly see dudes in their 50s and 60s giving me cause to question my fitness level. If you wait until you can’t “reasonably” ride uphill, you might be 80 years old and won’t get to enjoy the eMTB to its fullest.
  • 11 0
 this bike gives me an e-rection.
  • 7 0
 @gnarlysipes: I was on a 50 mile road ride in a group of 6 or 7 other guys recently. I'm 22, most of the other guys I would guess were 50-60 years old. We were all a perfect match on the flats, I could climb away from them, and if I waited at the top, they could out descend me lol.

Towards the end of the ride, I learned the 3 strongest guys were 72, 74, and 78.

lol.
  • 9 18
flag Costigan76 (Aug 3, 2022 at 7:06) (Below Threshold)
 @Chuckolicious: I'll be an instant fan if I ever get the tragic diagnosis of MS, Parkinson's, or any other neuromuscular dysfunction. Until than I will hate with all of my might. Mountain biking at it's very core is supposed to be grueling, arduous, and hard as f*ck. These mopeds dumb the sport down immensely.
  • 2 0
 not only that its only a half non acoustic bike
  • 6 0
 @Costigan76: Hey man, whatever you like. Might be a lot of energy hating on it though, wouldn’t it make more sense just to reasonably say it’s not for you? Like, I dunno, preferring MTB over road riding? Me, been riding since my Stumpy in 88. Still plenty strong and love to earn turns. But I’ve had the opportunity to ride the Levo SL on several CA trips and it was a lot of fun. Lapped Demo 2 more times than I can on my regular rigs. And being on vacation, that was extra great. Nothing to hate on at all, IMO.
  • 7 1
 @Costigan76: and here I thought it was meant to be about having fun. I can see where I have been going wrong for 35 years…
  • 3 1
 @scallywagg: ahahahahahaha
  • 67 6
 Wow, really impressive from the design+integration standpoint. There are several regular MTB (no motor!) on the market that looks considerably more e-bike-ish than this one.

Too bad I paid less €€€ to buy a Ténéré 700.
  • 26 0
 I bought a Tenere 700 also. I'm loving it. A real motorcycle.
  • 9 3
 If I rode scramblers I'd still spend far more time riding a mountain bike (because there's nothing to ride on a motorbike round here that I wouldn't feel like a total to$$er for riding), so for me it makes sense to spend more on an MTB than a motorbike.

Likewise, I'll get more laps out of an eMTB than a regular MTB, so it makes to spend more on the powered version.
  • 4 0
 @Woody25: I'd much rather have an e-moto any day but you are right that it would cause a lot of hassle and backlash on mtb trails. I can see these new lightweight e-bikes being really popular as they are incognito. A bit like a 'Pret a Manger' soft drink: sold as a healthy beverage but actually loaded with sugar.
  • 5 1
 The shuttle is a great ebike name. But too bad Decoy was already in use cause this is definitely an ebike hiding as just a bike with a SWAT box...
  • 2 0
 @cpobanz: Wish I could have found one when I was ADV shopping...
  • 2 0
 @cpobanz: Where y'all living that you found a T7?!
They are just whispers in the wind in AZ.
  • 2 1
 So nearly went T7. Then went Africa Twin. Brap brap.
  • 1 0
 @cpobanz: I loved that motor, it really is something amazing. I bought it new last year June, rode it for almost 5,000 miles and sold it this last April, for almost what I had into it. Camel high fender mount, gut guard, tail tidy, Motoz rubber....etc.... ultimately I sold it because I could not get along with the suspension. Noodly forks. I put a stiffer 90nm rear spring but still, couldnt get it dialed riding fast off-road and didnt want to throw $3k into better suspension. Hated the rear brake as well and those 4 gallons are so high, wish they'd split the tanks like the old 990 to carry the weight lower.
If I was only touring road and a little dirt forest road once in a while, Id say there no better bike for the price. Most comfortable standing bike I've ever ridden. Yamaha did good on it and kept the price right.

Hello 890 Adventure R!!
  • 1 0
 You chose well.
  • 4 0
 I’m another Tenere rider who loves it. I nearly went with the KTM 690, but have no regrets about the Yamaha. I just ticked over 20,000km on it, I’m considering replacing it with a Ducati Multistrada for all the nice rider assistance systems. If the front radar can detect kangaroos/pedestrians I’ll definitely buy it. I mostly ride to work from my farm. In the colder months, Roos make it a nerve racking ride.
  • 2 1
 @cpobanz: oh mate you arent allowed to mention motorbikes you know like you can buy a full on crosser or even a proper enduro for less than 8k
  • 2 1
 @Woody25: ah west yorkshire police have a load of new polis on their motorcycles chasing scally on their sur rons , surely if you get involved this could pass a few hours for you, i hear you literally can be riding anywhere too
  • 2 0
 @lpat1717: I got lucky and my local dealer had one come in, it hadn't even listed yet, and I put a deposit on it.
  • 1 0
 @cpobanz: Dang that's a dream. Big congrats!
  • 32 2
 You know eebs are evolving when you cant even pick it by looking. We are getting closer, the new Transition with Fazua system will be epic. If there is one thing I have learned with ebikes is the more travel the better of sorts, who cares about pedal bob and efficiency. But have some cushion for the downhills. Once they hit 18-20kg, be able to do 60km and 1500m climbing I'll get one, but for now I'll stick with my 28kg Range VLT.
  • 10 33
flag 5afety3rd (Aug 2, 2022 at 7:46) (Below Threshold)
 This entire point Fazua is the easily removable to become a regular bike feature. And pivot designed that out. I really don’t get why people buy their bikes. The company is insufferable
  • 8 1
 You couldn't see the motor in Ryder Hesjedal's bike either.
  • 30 1
 @5afety3rd: Because no one is going to ever use that feature.
  • 6 1
 @plustiresaintdead: yeah nah, it’s genius. Just imagine, you’re way out there and your bike runs out of juice. You just take the battery out, pop it in your backpack and your bike is way lighter. You’ll get home no worries. Simple.
  • 11 0
 @edgnar: wait, I’m confused. If you put it in your backpack, you’re still pedaling the same amount of weight? Did I miss the sarcasm?
  • 2 0
 @drlancefreeride: you can leave it home and just ride to save weight and ride a bike, and use it on days you need a boost for injury recovery or whatever. One quiver type thing. Transition is going to be using it on their upcoming ebike light. Trek has it on a road and XC bike.
  • 2 0
 @edgnar: you obvious don’t understand how the system works, see my other comment and look up transition’s upcoming ebike using the same system but as it was intended.
  • 2 0
 I'm excited for the new levo sl. Specialized already has amazing e bikes, and the kenevo sl looks awesome.
  • 4 0
 @5afety3rd: ah cool, I get it. You can take the battery in your backpack and just pop it in the bike when you get tired. Perfect!
  • 1 0
 @5afety3rd: sure you can do that but nobody will.
  • 1 0
 @5afety3rd: The Fazua drive system used on the Trek bikes is not the same as the Fazua Ride 60 system that is used on this Pivot and the Transition Relay. The difference in application between the Pivot and Transition is the battery - Transition made the battery more easily removable to take advantage of Fazua's lightweight and low drag motor (making the ride closer to a normal biking experience).
  • 31 0
 One of the best looking emtb, because it doesn't look like emtb
  • 1 2
 Exactly. Well, except for the LEDs / power button console on the top tube. Where I am visiting eBikes are illegal so hide this as well.
  • 13 13
 @d0wnhill-d: It is so weird to hear that e-bikes are illegal on some/lots trails in USA, in Europe you can ride e-bikes on pretty much all mtb trails. I have not encountered a trail in various European countries that you cannot ride on eeb. You poor sods
  • 17 14
 @gooral: you act like we want ebikes on our trails.
  • 4 8
flag Chuckolicious (Aug 2, 2022 at 10:29) (Below Threshold)
 @Bro-LanDog: Huh? He was just making an observation of the US state of affairs compared to where he lives. "act like" doesn't even apply here.
  • 11 13
 @Chuckolicious: I disagree. The 'you poor sods' implies that ebikes on mtb trails is diserable. I forgive you though, must be tough waiting for your bicycle to charge.
  • 17 13
 @Bro-LanDog: I was not implying anything. You poor sods was directed to e-bike riders that cannot ride on all the trails available to Amish bikes. Really surprising, thought Land of the free means you can ride where you want. Anyway, you guys are about 10 years behind Europe in this matter, so speak to you again in 10 years when you grow up and stop caring so much about what other people do and just worry about yourselves.
  • 6 7
 @Bro-LanDog: Oh man, that’s some serious reaching there. Nah, you’re just a nut. And that charging comment, what does that even mean? Sheesh..
  • 6 16
flag Bro-LanDog (Aug 2, 2022 at 12:22) (Below Threshold)
 @gooral: 10 years behind? Again, implying we want that. We also have trails for motorbikes too you know. You also made the mistake of thinking we care about someone from the UK's definition of freedom. Try to keep up m8
  • 10 0
 @gooral: Was just riding in Czech Republic, where the signs said (basically) "No eBikes allowed under 55 years old"
  • 1 0
 @DirtGuru2: theres 55 year old eebs?
  • 2 0
 @gooral: in Sweden "the right to roam" allows only bikes, not e-bikes. Basically you can ride your MTB anywhere, and e-bikes only on specified trails. So rules are very different even in different EU countries.
  • 2 0
 @Bro-LanDog: bro don’t be so angry bro lololol
  • 2 3
 @SterlingArcher: bro I'm SEETHING rn bro I can't even
  • 3 1
 @Bro-LanDog: only people i know that wrire "m8" are the coffin dodgers who thinks they fit in with anyone who is under 50, sooooo, ok Boomer. Next generation will get it. Live and let live. Or as someone who's mental capacity is well above yours said "the universe is under no obligation to make sense to you". Over and out
  • 1 0
 @gooral: Ha! And that guy went to my high school. Or did I go to his? Smile
  • 1 3
 @gooral: someone's cranky, not get enough haggis this morning ol' matey?
  • 2 0
 @gooral: I think ‘pretty much all mtb trails’ is an accurate description of the situation in the US as well. One of my main riding buddies is on an eBike and I don’t think we’ve ever skipped a ride because of trail access issues in Oregon, California, Nevada or Utah.

Today, I did a ride that took me across town-owned land, a state park and national forest service land. All portions of that ride are open to ebikes. Land owners/managers are free to make decisions that restrict access to their trails but generally speaking, they seem to be down with ebikes and most trails appear to be wide open (at least in my experience).
  • 2 0
 @Bro-LanDog: you suck at trolling lol
  • 1 0
 @gooral: Land of the free*
  • 1 2
 @SterlingArcher: nice username cheers
  • 32 9
 This kind of bike will bring a future about where EMTB's are the norm and 'normal' bikes are the minority above a certain price point.
  • 4 2
 Probably unfortunately. And I own one of these. Does it make me a hypocrite?
In all honesty bikes are just way to expensive.
My biggest decision factor was - Do I buy a "do it all Enduro normal bike" at around 14kg for 6000€ or do I buy a "do it all and a little bit more ebike" for a little more. I ended up buying a Forestal Syrion (18kg, 60Nm) for 7400€ and I´m loving it.
Never thought that an ebike could be so much fun, but it feels much more like an expensive toy, than my other bikes.

But I beginn to shiver, when I think that I might have to spend that much money on all the bikes for my kids.
So I really hope normal bikes stay being a thing, that you can have for around 2000€.
  • 10 0
 I hear what you are saying and don't disagree. I do think people that ride regularly (4+ times a week) will wear out eebs too quickly (all current eeb motors have short lifespans). And lots of seasoned riders can easily put in more vert than one of the "light" eebs can currently do. I'm waiting for reliability (annual motor replacement, not monthly) and a sub 35lb weight that can do 7000' days and then I will start being interested. Until then, I'm good on a mountain bike.
  • 3 0
 @Jdff aaaaand that's what would keep me from pulling the trigger on an e-bike. I don't trust that the technology is really there - rattly Shimano motors, etc. tell me the market has a decent way to go before it is mature enough for me to throw money at...
  • 4 1
 @JDFF: Agree with that, I actually know a guy who destroyed the drivetrain so often along with killing motors he had to sell the ebike up and move back to a normal bike.

Most of us ain’t that guy though.
  • 9 0
 @justanotherusername: yep. It's definitely something the industry is trying to keep hush hush about. I know a lot of eeb riders that have motors on rotation. Manufacturers seem to be eager to honor warranties, but dealing with failed motors during rides on a monthly basis is ridiculous. Several other reasons why I'm not even close to giving up my mountain bike, but the failure rate of eeb motors is just gross (all brands).
  • 1 0
 @styriabeef: hahaha, thats the problem, the kids. Imagine 30 grand of just bikes in your house, or on your rack on a family bike trip, with the adolecent kid going through his phase of being mean and pissed all the time. Dang, i need to revaluate some things, i'll be back.
  • 2 1
 @JDFF: I beg to differ. Although heavier, Rocky Mountain's Dyname motors are extremely reliable as they are disconnected from the bottom bracket where most of the bearing wear takes place. When they get this concept into a sub 35lb ride it will be the dream.
  • 2 0
 @JDFF:

Not to mention diminishing battery life also.
  • 16 1
 The perfect Ebike for me. Just enough travel to have a good craic on the local trails and enough stored energy for the bulk of my riding. Namely an hour a couple of times in the week and 3 or so hours on a weekend. Should be able to double the laps back up in the same duration. Kudos Pivot.
  • 11 6
 I couldn't agree more - for the 'average' mountain biker that rides for a few hrs on the weekend and some afternoons and rides for fun these bikes are undeniably going to be more fun than the non e-bike version.
  • 19 7
 Pivot states 4,2kg of motor system weight, with some decent tires and coil I guess it would be 18-19kg?
But... why?? I don't understand these short travel ebikes. Surely when it helps you climb 2500m in a day instead of 1000m with a regular bike, you'll want something that's really capable on downs?

The looks are good though it is tricky : photos are taken in a way that hides the bulkiness (even the crank position plays a role in first photo), and it looks slim only from the side. Source : me being shocked by real life Orbea Rise bulkiness.
This photo shows it a bit better : www.pinkbike.com/photo/23075556
  • 9 3
 I agree. I’d consider it starting from at least 150 mm of rear travel
  • 15 1
 I suppose that not everyone likes riding technical terrain. The main purchasers of something like this (Pivot = expensive, plus low travel) are likely to be older and more risk adverse. I agree that its not for me either but I think that they may just hit the nail on the head for a large portion of their target market of rich old guys!
Is also good that there is options...
  • 3 0
 @slimboyjim: Yeah, 130mm seems like such a low amount of travel of an e-bike. With 150mm you would have more options of setting up for harder terrain vs longer/flowier rides.

That said, I know a guy riding the 140mm non-sl Shuttle and he absolutely rips down technical big mountain stuff.
  • 17 3
 You dont need lots of travel, you need efficient travel on a bike! A good 110 to 130mm rear travel bike could out perform a moderate performing 160mm travel bike on most trails. Maybe 1 little section might be better on the 160mm bike, but for most trails less travel can be faster as its more efficient.
  • 4 0
 @slimboyjim: yes, a short travel trail ebike is exactly what my friends dad is looking for. His knees are done, so his jogging days are over and is looking to stay fit. I was going to recommend the new trek, but this shorter travel suits him better.
  • 1 0
 @betsie: Depends where you live, a few years ago I "downsized" to a YT Jeffsy 140mm bike which had the same geometry as my previous Spesh Enduro. Bike was way livelier, faster and great fun on shorter well known descents, but a liability on longer unknown routes in the alps. An Ebike allows you to do much bigger stuff and discover a ton of new trails, so better to have some added comfort and security. (I get that this is intended for a different type of riding, but for that outrageous amount of $ you would expect some versatility)
  • 1 0
 I think your right on. I will also add that this is only the sl model. Would not be surprised if a model more like the firebird is next. @slimboyjim:
  • 5 1
 This bike can handle more than MOST riders will ever do. For the handful that can outride it, they make Enduro and DH rigs. Far too many people think the bikes is what matters, but really, the meat puppet riding it is far more important. My next bike will be one of these short travel ebikes.
  • 3 0
 @Dangerhill: this is the SL. Regular Shuttle has the bigger battery/motor, 140mm rear, and 38x160 up front.
  • 1 0
 @slimboyjim: 140/150 can be really fun on knar trails, poppy, pumpy, lively, etc. Sure, if your aiming at EWS speeds then enduro makes sense, but shorter travel is super fun IMO.
  • 4 0
 @slimboyjim: barring the rich part, this is me and a great next buy. 50 YO with shot knees from many years racing BMX and 4x. Risk tolerance is there but much reduced from other long standing injuries being carried.
Literally ticks all my riding boxes
  • 2 0
 I see these more as making flatter trails a lot more fun. Playful and fast. Most mountain bikers in the US don’t live near actually mountains.
  • 21 8
 Pinkbike commenters be like "waahh it hasn't got enough travel"
but also "Bro how sick is downcountry!?"

I'm looking forward to sending this somewhere like Finale Ligure, 3 Länder enduro or Saalbach Hinterglem
  • 5 0
 I don't think anyone seriously complaining about the lack of travel would ever even use the "downcountry" word. Those are two very different crowds.
  • 11 1
 I like that they are getting lighter, but if we could have a bit more travel to go with it. If any bike company is reading, can we have a light weight ebike that is 150-160mm front and rear, ~64.5° head angle, 60nm motor, 500wh battery with the option of a range extender and I will buy one.
  • 5 0
 Can't hit that marketing number of 36 pounds if there's more travel!
  • 5 18
flag tbubier (Aug 2, 2022 at 6:51) (Below Threshold)
 True. You're average e-bike owner is usually an intermediate rider at best and they need as much travel as they can get.
  • 19 4
 @tbubier: Your average non eBike owner is also usually an intermediate rider at best and they too need as much travel as they can get. Just saying it because it’s the truth.
  • 8 2
 @armeniandave: more travel doesn't make people ride better Wink It just gets them in over their heads quicker. Scary seeing people with minimal skill on bikes that mask how bad they are until they hit their limit at 30% of what the bike can do. But marketing has done an awesome job of convincing people they need Enduro rigs for Green trails.
  • 2 0
 @SprSonik: most enduro marketing I have seen shows riding on at least black level trails. I can't say I have ever seen a marketing video or photo showing an enduro bike on a green trail. Which marketing campaign were you thinking of?
  • 10 1
 As someone said, this is a bike for old farts. That’s me! I’m 63 and a good day is 15 miles and 2000 feet of climbing. Most of my riding is going to be cross country oriented. While I enjoy the occasional technical downhill it’s not where I’ll be spending my time.

When the time comes, for someone like me this is a great solution.
  • 12 2
 Integrated battery... Does this mean the frame is toast when a replacement is due?
  • 2 0
 No, it just means you have to remove the motor unit to get the battery out. Doesn’t sound too bad to me.
  • 2 0
 @mrosie: that makes more sense. Not really a big deal then.
  • 20 13
 My E-Bike looks like a tank and weighs as much compared with that - Personally wouldn't buy another E-Bike though, they are fun but there is no sense of achievement when riding them.
  • 12 6
 Have you attempted turning the level of assistance down or maybe tried riding a little harder, climbing a little faster maybe?

My e-bike rides are showing similar max / average heart rates over the ride with just double the amount of distance covered.
  • 9 2
 @justanotherusername: And then you run into a friend and you slow down to ride with them cause you’re not an a-hole, at which point the entire reason for having the ebike is gone and you’re just doing a normal ride but with help. After 6 months of this your fitness is crap so you either go back to analogue or just say f it and go all in on a full fat eeb. That was me anyway. Maybe the 60nm fazua motor kicks things into a sweeter spot relative to the SL motors, but my Kenevo SL just ended up not being enough added elevation to make sense. If they can hit a mark where these are doing similar elevation to the current full fat bikes but still at/under 40lbs I think that’s going to be a tipping point. We’re getting closer but not there yet.
  • 8 8
 @Blownoutrides: Give it a few years and all of your friends will be on Ebikes so you won’t need to worry about that.
  • 8 1
 Nope. I'll be interested in E-Bikes once someone makes a super long and slack E-DH bike with 200mm suspension, all the battery capacity and a powerful motor. Until then, hard pass.
  • 1 1
 Check the Intense website...
  • 2 0
 @joshbm1: only 170mm front and 155 rear
  • 3 1
 See Yamaha
  • 10 1
 How will I know who to scorn on the trails when I can no longer tell an Ebike from a True-bike Wink
  • 4 1
 Just scorn everyone passing you Big Grin
  • 3 2
 @yoobee: Yes, sound counsel.
  • 15 8
 "good for 3-4 hours and 1000m climbing"
That's like... a normal ride on a non electrified bike? What's the advantage if it doesn't increase the range or speed you can go?
  • 11 0
 It is?!
  • 10 7
 It's for the strugglebus trailcentre mincers.
  • 9 3
 "The typical cycling activity in the UK, for example, clocks in at a brisk and breezy hour in length, over 17 minutes shorter than the global average. Your statistically average US cyclist, meanwhile, is riding 1.07:19 per activity."

Source: cyclingtips.com/2021/12/millions-of-cyclists-billions-of-kilometres-unpacking-a-year-of-strava-data
  • 6 4
 I agree entirely, but that must just mean this product ain't for me. Personally, for how much they weigh, why would you bother with this little travel? The bike helps you up the climbs, I can't fathom why you would only want 130mm of travel.

Not enough range to go explore too far, not enough travel to rip the big stuff, and too much weight to enjoy once the battery is dead. Seems like the most imperfect middleground
  • 2 0
 @watchmen: I'm getting a sticker that says that to put on my downhill bike
  • 8 2
 @ryanandrewrogers: This bike is not 130mm, it's 150 on the front and 130 on the rear. And it's not overforked, it's undershocked to make it as playfull as possible. That's the whole point of the bike.

It' not designed to explore or to ride crazy stuff, it's designed to have a lot of fun in your local trails for a couple of hours every weekend.
  • 1 0
 @ryanandrewrogers: a trail that’s too mellow for a long travel mtb bike is still too mellow for a long travel e bike
  • 4 1
 @Antoncor: @deez-nucks at 36lbs and this geometry it's still going to manual, jump, and jib just like an enduro bike but without the same ability to eat up rocks, am I incorrect?
  • 1 0
 @Antoncor: Just checked mine for the year and I am right around 1.15 per ride, better than average!
  • 4 1
 Maybe its really flat there and they put in a lot of miles but 3-4hours and only getting 1000m is pointless. Where I live 3 hours for 1000m on a regular bike sounds normal for an average rider on a heavy enduro bike, I would expect 2-3x that on an ebike which is supposed to be much faster up hill.

It sounds like they managed to make an ebike with such a weak battery that it isnt any faster up hill than a regular bike. So if you only have 1.5hours to ride youll get around 500m? Whats the point of the battery?
  • 1 1
 @watchmen: Damnit - I looked at PB without the E-Bike news filter enabled and some of the best comments are in the eeb threads.....well said.
  • 1 1
 Don't ask anymore. You won't get it.
  • 4 0
 Wasn’t a selling point of the Fazua system that you could remove the motor/battery pack and the BB would freewheel with little to no resistance? Would seem to make sense to take the 500g hit for removable and then you would have a bike fairly close to standard weight with the motor/battery removed as well? I may be misremembering, but that would get pretty close to a 2 bikes in 1 scenario.
  • 2 0
 It's Fazua 50 where you can remove battery and motor (it is a tube unit). Fazua 60 allows battery removal only.
  • 7 0
 That's a pretty bike, cheers to Pivot for pushing the limits on weight and design here!
  • 7 0
 Sorry trek, that’s four more pounds
  • 4 0
 I was about to push the button on the EX E, but this has definitely given me pause. The ideal medium power bike for me is say 38lbs and 160 rear 170 front travel, 64 degree head angle.
  • 5 1
 @Woody25: I am really starting to be tempted by the coming up Transition Relay
  • 2 0
 @optimumnotmaximum: I agree.. I just don't want to wait until Spring 2023!
  • 2 1
 @Woody25: Then wait for a new Transition with Fazua motor
  • 1 0
 @gooral: That is the Relay I think, which isn't available until 2023. Vid with the Relay and this Pivot Shuttle here: www.youtube.com/watch?v=pf6Qj-fkKUA&t=381s
  • 2 0
 Curious what the other Pivot bikes weigh?
The weight they list has Rekon Tires, 180 Rotors, 34-140mm Fork, No Resi Shock, Non-removable battery, Etc...
  • 6 0
 Top Pivot is much cheaper than trek and specy We are living in quite strange times
  • 6 1
 Hey look, the model with just an XT mech and Deore or SLX everything else isn't called "XT" anymore, it's "SLX/XT". They do listen to the comments!
  • 4 1
 I think its funny Trek made such a huge deal about their E-bike and how it was 'revolutionary', and then this one comes along and is 4lbs lighted with a larger Battery and more power. This pivot is 36lbs, 430wH, and 60nm. The trek was 40lbs, 360wH, and 50nm.
  • 1 0
 You can ride the Trek hard and is more aggressive than he numbers show (measured 64.3 HT angle). The rear end feels solid compared to an Orbea Rise and likely this bike as well. Also tires on the Trek are heavier and tougher.
Put the XC build kit on the Trek and it will be 36.Xlbs
  • 3 0
 @vanillarice19: @vanillarice19: the other thing to consider is everyone is throwing around that 36 lb weight and skimming over the fact thats on the top of the line XTR model and a smaller frame size. The Trek Medium 9.9 XTR model is 38 lbs. If you are using the top of the line bike from one brand against a lower spec to another brand, its an unfair comparison. The Trek is a little heavier, but also has more travel, and is a more aggressive bike. I have an XL Fuel Ex-e 9.7 and stuck it on the scales at 42 lbs, but once I installed some lighter parts, its down to the low 40's now. A Medium, like you said with some lighter weight parts, could probably pretty easily get into the 36 lb. range. That being said, the Pivot still does have a more powerful motor and a bigger battery, so there's that. Either way, these are both super cool bikes, and I am loving every single minute on my Trek. The bike is an absolute ripper.
  • 5 0
 How to get a bike so right and your size jumps so wrong is really baffling in 2022. Sigh.
  • 3 0
 Sorry if I’m being obtuse… but how does 60 Nm and 430Wh work out to the amount of extra watts A rider gets when pedaling? I know it’s gotta be somehow variable related to your cadence but not jumping out at me.
  • 4 0
 Torque x rpm = watts. Wh is capacity of battery to run X theoretical watts for an hour.

Watt output depends on motor/controller limit and rpm range
  • 2 0
 @mm732: Thanks… makes sense. that’s sort of what I was thinking. So the 60Nm is max torque when you’re spinning slowly? Im guessing I wouldn’t get that if I’m spinning 100rpm.
  • 2 0
 @deez-nucks: I agree that some kind of simple real world measurement needs to be created. Like a 70kg rider/200W at 85rpm baseline, then how many extra watts can the bike add for 1hr, 2hr, 3hrs? I bet there's a fair bit of variation in those numbers between bikes.
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 @jclnv: They already tell you that. It's 430Wh.
That's 430 watt-hours.

So, it could add 430w for one hour. 215w for two hours. 43w for 10 hours.
Sure there are some efficiency losses and it might not physically be able to produce 430w continuously for an hour but generally speaking that's how energy works.
  • 1 0
 @deez-nucks: good q, not sure how broad they allow the torque curve to be.
  • 1 1
 @KennyWatson: Thanks Kenny. It's the variables I wonder about though. RPM and bike weight for example. The steeper gradient is going to drain battery in the heavier bike etc. I also wonder about repeat accelerations V's constant power. I guess you could could work it all out but it would be nice if there was some basic metrics.
  • 5 0
 Okay, now I am getting to be a open to talk about e-bikes
  • 5 0
 First e-bike that's looking really good, IMO.
  • 1 0
 Breezy River Rockets... What a range! Breeze will just tickle your taint with power like a calm wind up your kilt. River punches you in the ass like getting tossed out of a white water raft. Rocket must be like shoving a Delta V up your hole and launching you to the front of the pack. I guess that means you don't need to stop to help people in Rocket mode, since you're obviously a winner... You midpack assholes in Breeze mode better stop to help, though!
  • 1 0
 A bit surprised with the geometry esp from small to medium. Considering the travel and intended application, the wheelbase is really long. My medium switchblade wb is only 1193! And while the SB's geometry isn't exactly super long/progressive by any means, it surprisingly does make for a really great handling bike and is super fun to ride. The shuttle geometry overall is more like a Large to me and I'm wondering how it would ride in comparison if I like my SB so much.
  • 8 6
 I am forever confused by having small-travel e-bikes. You can compensate for peppy-ness with a motor, so add like 10mm of travel, no?
  • 8 7
 Me too! Seems so pointless. 190mm is the way to go!
  • 9 0
 I have a kenevo SL. Your opinion was that of mine, go big why not? The SL options make sense to me, my Kenevo weighs almost the same as my porky alloy trek slash. But 170mm is a lot of bike, it’s a sled. I’m really enjoying it, but on more gentle trails it’s a lot of bike to get up in the air or throw around easily.

I test rode a Levo SL and I really liked it, quick and fast. I think the short travel, with the light motor and the minimal torque the SL motor gives is a good compromise.

But this Shuttle and the Fuel have 30nm more than the specialized stuff. So it would make it even more spritely. I think it makes a lot sense in the shorter travel category. As it’s more similar to regular riding and not 90nm of torque pushing you along with a huge battery. Slow bobby sloppy travel, isn’t fun to pedal regardless of the motor
  • 1 0
 I’m holding out for that Voima SL
  • 2 1
 @bonfire: Aren't e-bikes by default "a lot of bike"? The weight is automatically akin to heavy enduro / DH bikes. I have maintained that if I could ever afford an e-bike I'd have a dual crown 200mm travel ripper. On the kinda trails and speeds I like a DH bike would usually be ideal- I just wouldn't dare haul one up the mountain.
  • 3 2
 @bonfire: Yes the Kenovo corners slowly due to its mass. Hard to muscle the bike over in sharp turns. Loosing some weight and becoming a little more nimble is the way forward
  • 1 0
 @d0wnhill-d: I don't quite agree with this assessment. Are heavy DH bikes slow to corner? I've found that I quite like them in corners. I feel as if suspension design and BB height change cornering "nimbleness" more than weight, but perhaps e-bikes with a higher center of gravity thanks to a battery change this factor.
  • 6 0
 Yes and no.
I own a Forestal Syrion with 170mm and 60Nm and I always used the argument to go towards a little more travel. Now that I use it, I have changed my mind so far, that you have to choose accordingly to what you plan to do with it.
My home Trails have no need for 170mm travel, I would be fine with 130/140.
Will I be riding my 8000€ bike in a bike park? No, I rather take my DH bike because there's a lift anyway. Would I like my bike to be 2kg lighter? Yes, totally, less effort to pedal without a motor, more range with it.
So what's the point of having that excess travel? Well I can.
But if I had to choose again, I would size down in travel.
  • 2 1
 @ryanandrewrogers: No I don’t have a problem with DH bikes, only monster-trucking Kenovos…and it’s a matter of degree - DH is still harder to flick through a tighter bend than an Enduro/Trail bike. Agree, low weight is great!
  • 2 0
 @styriabeef: I have a Santa Cruz bullit and can not agree with this more. 170mm travel is great, but it is not enjoyable to ride onmellow trails which are all around me. When it is on the steep gnarly stuff it absolutely rips. But motor or not, it is still a lot of bike.

I think this Pivot would be great, but another 10m rear travel would make it perfect
  • 3 0
 I have Voima, and i agree its chunk of a bike. But i’m not getting the its no fun on mellow trails thing. Its ok on the flat, but that sort of defeats the point of an ebike (in my option). It just unlocks territory that you/(I) just can’t ride on a normal bike and enables you to ride way more laps.
Still prefer to ride a normal bike though Smile
  • 3 0
 @ryanandrewrogers: my kenevo SL isn’t heavy, it close enough to my regular bike.

And as you see in a bunch of these other posts, those of us who have lightweight e-bikes with long travel have found them to perhaps not be the best option.

Like I said, my opinion has been for years, why not get the biggest bike I can? But after 250km on my kenevo, I’m unsure if that’s the right call. Bike is a weapon when the going gets rowdy. Set a variety of substantial Strava PB’s on descents, right away.

But I think I had more all around fun on the Levo SL I rode. Same reason people buy short travel bikes, like we aren’t all riding 170mm enduro bikes everywhere and I don’t think that is solely because of the pedalling experience.
  • 2 0
 @ryanandrewrogers: An interesting quandary, a higher Center of gravity would make it tip in easier, arguably making it change direction faster. But the motors sitting low brings that weight down giving it a lot stability. My bike handles great, I didn’t notice a single difference in cornering but did notice a difference in stability in chunder
  • 10 10
 I don't really understand what is the point of having a short travel ebike. Efficiency and playfulness don't really make any sense with a motor. The same goes with kinematics optimized for pedaling. I would love to see an e-bike really built to work as an ebike.
  • 8 1
 I can sort of see the logic - in the UK there are a fair number of reasonably flat trail centres (e.g. Swinley, Llandegla, FoD Verderers) that aren't that much fun unless your fit enough to hold a fairly high speed. A 160mm travel bike removes all the fun and makes learning to pump and jump a bit harder, so for places like that I can see this making a lot of sense for riders who don't have time to maintain a high enough level of fitness but still want the riding to feel like mountain biking rather than ebiking.

In other words, I can see this being good for smashing out blues if you're not fit.
  • 12 3
 Be realistic - At some point in the next 10 years this kind of e-bike (small battery, more efficient motor, lower weight) is going to become the norm of higher end MTB's and start to replace non electric bikes.

For the majority I can see this bike being more fun for more of the time than an equivalent normal bike, and that's what most people ride bikes for.
  • 3 0
 @Woody25: well said
  • 7 2
 @justanotherusername: I dont know, a lot of people also ride because it becomes their only form of exercise and they can justify the $10K spend because they dont pay for a gym. Also a lot of people still get satisfaction knowing they made it to the top of the mountain on their own. When the effort becomes less important the means also become less important, meaning at what point does one just buy a motorcycle if the goal is to simply go as far as you can in as little time. If you have never ridden a dirt bike they also jump higher too, and handle more gnarly features.


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  • 8 2
 @dpars63: Ridden an ebike much? Absolutely no reason you can’t put as much effort as you normally do / like into it when riding one.

For those that have more time / prioritise fitness or want the best handling bike etc (many reasons) then a normal bike is great but for the 2-3hr a week person who’s bike is an expensive toy then why not use something more ‘fun’

The fit version of me in my early 20s putting 20hrs a week into a bike wouldn’t give a shit about Ebikes, but I’m not that guy anymore and neither is a hell of a lot of the people that can afford a 5k+ luxury toy.
  • 3 3
 @justanotherusername: Your preaching to the brahs that think "you don't need a 50t, because I don't need one"
  • 5 4
 @justanotherusername:
You keep making the assertion that ebikes are 'more fun' than a real mountain bike. That's certainly not the case for me, and yes I have ridden ebikes. They definitely make pedalling easier, but easier doesn't equate to more fun. As far as extending range goes, If I want to go farther or do more laps then I just ride for longer. More time on my (non e-)bike== more fun!
  • 3 3
 @dpars63: Tell us that your dirt bike can be ridden on all the same trails/ places that a bike can be ridden(10 minutes from home) and your comment will have more merit. Dirt bikes can't be ridden anywhere near my house, but bikes can! For most, riding ebikes isn't simply to go as fast as you can, but it is to cover more ground that you couldn't on a normal bike, or to ride them on a recovery day instead of riding the couch. If you only have 1 day a week to ride(some don't live out of their van) or have a slight or major handicap, ebikes make sense.
  • 2 1
 @chicane32: They cant be, but either can E-bikes. So its the same. most people dont live next to dedicated mountain bike parks, rather shared trails. Those trails often took a lot of lobbying to get them to allow mountain bikes. the land managers didnt want them, but it happened. Ebikes often put those relationships in strain because the trails were never meant for people blasting flat single-track at 25mph when the trail goes both ways. In that respect it would be easy to cut all biking from those trails instead of trying to define what kind of bike can be used, and that has happened all over the country already.

On a side note, most people dont realize paved shared paths (rails to trails usually) have speed limits. They usually are not posted, but they exist. Kent and Renton (south of Seattle) will post cops on a few of those trails to make sure cyclists dont go to fast. Now do people care about following the local laws? No, and I see this on trails that say no ebikes too.
  • 2 1
 @chicane32: For reference in WA state the law is no Ebikes on paths not designed for motorized vehicles in state lands. Unfortunately for ebikers this includes Tiger Mountain and Raging river.

www.dnr.wa.gov/ebikes
Unless you are handicapped, most of the good trails are off limits. Now I can tell you every weekend I see them on those trails, but if a ranger ever stopped them it would be a ticket.
  • 3 1
 @dpars63: Where I live in SoCal Ebikes are illegal on about 85% of the trails I ride, yet around 40% of the bikes ridden are now ebikes. In another Ebike illegal trail network, there’s around 10-12 different trails that are unmarked/illegal to ride, but ridden anyway by both types of bikes, so a high % of riders on any given day are doing something illegal, so go figure. In the end we’re all just trying to get outdoors and have fun.
  • 4 2
 @Skooks: Its awesome that you have the fitness and time to ride for further and longer when you choose to do so, I don’t though and neither does a huge number of people that ride

My time is limited and an ebike helps me make the most of it, more of the fun bits and less time spent slogging up a fire road.
  • 2 0
 @chicane32: They will soon tx you to ride your normal bike; because Ebikers will soon create a problem that will turn political and will be deemed a vehicle. Hence, you will have to pay for trail access,registration,inspection, and policing. You laugh now but watch and wait it will happen!
  • 4 4
 @likeittacky: Ya and Communists California will lead the charge! Anything to suck a dollar from the working class Americans. Allowing access or not is already based on political reasons!
  • 1 0
 I see e bikes on every ride. I’m near Ellensburg. Not on our extensive moto trails but on the mtb trails. Rules only work if your honest or have someone to enforce them. I’m e curious. But haven’t ridden one. The whine I hear from the ones I see on the trails is enough for me not to want one. Except when I see papa railing corners uphill. Then I’m a little jealous. I’m sure I see people with some physical hindrance that need the bike to enjoy riding. My first thought is not nice though. @dpars63:
  • 1 0
 It’s all perspective. From MX to ebikes they are slower, quieter, and a different kind of fun. To me MX has the absolute highest fun factor, but the time money and effort to get that fun is massively higher. My reg MTB is less peak fun, but the ratio of what it takes to get that fun offsets it. My ebike falls right in the middle. I can ride it really hard and it gives more of a moto workout, not just lung busting leg pump. I enjoy all 3 but they are different. So is my DJ. People get lost in trying to make ebikes and non ebikes the same by comparing them to each other all the time. That’s fine I guess, but they’re different. I know I use them differently even if sometimes on the same trails. I will be sticking with the biggest battery and 55lbs. Honestly this is not heavy when you’re riding if you know how to ride. The weight helps the suspension works better and the traction is better. If you think it’s for the the old and lame then you’re not riding hard enough. Think of it this way, you could ride a motocross track in first gear and roll every jump, that would take no effort, but why would you?
  • 2 0
 @chicane32: People that don't see the insidious state of politics in in the (Fools-Golden State), are like a Wife that lives in denial, day to day, with an abusive Husband believing He is normal and Her welfare will be fine tomorrow.
  • 2 1
 Looks perfect for the UK. Swinley forest and sherwood pines for example where a hardtail is plenty for most people. Shame it costs more than my two cars and three bikes combined. I'd love one.
  • 2 0
 Smaller battery and a smaller motor than both my e-trance, and devinci ac. But damn, this bike is also 19 lbs lighter than my current stable. Color me, interested.
  • 2 0
 Insane weight for an ebike, I always thought I would get one once they managed to get to the realms of regular bikes. One small problem.....
  • 1 0
 The Fazua system sure looks like an interesting approach... Really looking forward to more details and reviews of the Transition model with it...
  • 3 0
 Lovely bike. Must buy now. Just need 10g’s.
  • 3 0
 What's the weight for the XT/SLX build?
  • 2 0
 41 pounds.
  • 5 1
 eDH bike please.
  • 1 0
 Ya not many with dual crowns(or compatible)...kind missing the point
  • 1 0
 When will Ebikes be designed by those that actually ride them? So we can get the charge ports placed high on the frame where they belong, away from all of the trail debris.
  • 2 0
 36.3lbs is pretty freakin impressive, when i had my siskiu t7 stock it was 38lbs lol
  • 3 0
 Looks sweet! Now just need a Firebird equivalent in addition to this.
  • 2 1
 If I ever buy an e-bike, it sure as hell is going to have more than 132mm of rear wheel travel. This looks sweet for shuttling the bunny hill though.
  • 2 0
 Beautiful bike... looks like it's not actually electric and just hiding a SWAT box or something.
  • 2 1
 Is an integrated battery one that can't ever be replaced? i.e. battery dies = new frame?
  • 4 1
 No. Remove motor.
  • 2 3
 The Fazua motor is the ebike motor I most like the idea of (not that I'm getting an ebike). The idea that you can potentially remove the battery and motor and return the bike to a non motorised version should be the vision. That way, if there is a problem with the electronics you still have a bike... Perhaps not so important in the first few years of ownership but super important over the long run...
  • 3 0
 @slimboyjim: Nobody is going to ride this bike without a battery. Even road bikes with the old Fazua motor never use that option.
  • 4 0
 @slimboyjim: Clever idea! Need a BB shell insert to replace the motor housing
  • 1 0
 @slimboyjim: That was the case with the previous Fazua systems. Starting with the Fazua 60 the motor is no longer removable from the frame.
  • 2 0
 The battery can be removed but it requires specific procedures including removing the motor. You'll need tools to do so.
  • 1 0
 @janhappy: Shame that. I always thought that having a normal bike that you could use as an ebike when it suited was an excellent idea and the best of both worlds.
  • 1 0
 So does the battery being integrated mean that it's can't be changed? Or that it takes some work/disassembly to replace it?
  • 2 0
 The latter.
  • 2 0
 That ebike is a pound lighter than my commencal meta.
  • 2 0
 I don't know why, but the grey version looks Les Fat to me.
  • 2 0
 Gray bike is sold out, but there's 296 blue models in stock.
  • 1 0
 Finally released! only over a month and a half after EMBN showed the embargoed bike xD
  • 2 0
 Now for the Firebird eeb please. please !
  • 1 0
 Ordered one today and will be skipping mortgage payments for next few months!
  • 1 1
 Seems like this is aimed directly to join in on the success that the Orbea Rise has with that 60nm motor and smaller battery.
  • 1 0
 Looks a good bike but why spec little batteries, give the lightweights 500-600 and some real range
  • 1 0
 This will be the ebike i get when i'm 90 and still want to feel like a 20 year old. for now, ill use my own legs, thanks.
  • 1 0
 World Cup Version? WTF E-dorks, it’s a motorbike, is Joey Chestnut the Sponsored rider ?
  • 1 0
 What's that new sag tool from fox?
  • 4 0
 That is a Pivot part. They come on all Pivot bike! Well except coil and Float X2.
  • 2 1
 Bet shimanos happy with pivot right now..
  • 1 0
 Perfect format for e-bike, no doubt
  • 1 0
 What’s the flap on the rear shock?
  • 2 0
 Pivot sag indicator.
  • 2 2
 Super boost means my size 48s will be hitting the rear triangle on most every stroke. This bike is a pass.
  • 6 5
 A 2023 KX250X is 8,599 msrp
  • 7 2
 This is a tired and truly false argument. First the economy of scale for the motorsport industry vs the mountain bike industry are worlds apart. When a brand like Yamaha can sell nearly 4 million units of MX bikes globally per year they are able to source parts that are shared across multiple models in much larger scale thus driving the price down. Second look at a stock KX 250 and the parts that come on it vs what a top spec'd mountain bike has. To build out a MX bike that is equivalent to what a pro would be riding you would be looking at multiple thousands more than what you buy from the showroom floor. Any top pro mtb rider could grab a top spec'd mtb from most brands and its not far from what they race on.

Also with MX bikes don't forget to add on that lovely dealer markup on average $1100, freight $650, assembly $250 and all other government fees, taxes, finance charges, dealer document processing charge, electronic filing or emission testing charges that add on a few extra thousands to that MSRP you quoted.

All just food for thought! Now lets all just get along and go shred!
  • 1 2
 Looks a good bike. I think as a do it all the transition with the same motor is the better option though.
  • 2 4
 The Hydras are a bad call. I cracked mine with light riding and a buddy's hub body totally failed on his ebike - something I've never seen before.
  • 2 2
 Buy a full size eMTB if you want an eMTB.
  • 1 0
 Choice is good. This is "full size". I think your trying to make a point about torque/power, and because fat pigs came out first you think it should be the standard. I believe these lighter weight products should be the standard. Who is right? In this case, choice will help determine the market. I have a Kenevo SL which I enjoy, and think I will also buy a shorter travel like this or the Trek because my area has 2 riding types: sharp rock chunk for ~5 miles/trail (not just a simple rock garden, but the whole trail system) or more XC type riding and very little features for 5-20miles.... Having a 80nm of torque would not make anything more enjoyable for me, in fact it would detract from why I bought my KSL even IF the bigger battery and motor bicycles were 10lbs lighter.
  • 3 4
 Could they not just focus on getting good ol’ fashioned bikes into the stores first?
  • 4 5
 Beautifully designed, but the color-ways are wack.
  • 2 3
 Meh rather have a full E with several hour range.
  • 3 5
 I'm going to start getting annoyed when I can't tell who is using a eMTB on the trails...
  • 4 1
 They will be the ones passing you multiple times whilst smiling and having more fun than you.
  • 1 3
 You’ll still be able to tell most of time, there seems to be a type lol
  • 2 2
 Is the motor press fit?
  • 5 6
 smth smth Dentists
  • 3 5
 It will sure lighten the hell out of your bank account
  • 2 11
flag chicane32 (Aug 2, 2022 at 12:02) (Below Threshold)
 Not any more than voting for old Joe!
  • 4 2
 @chicane32: and this is relevant to the new Pivot e-bike how? Try to get help even if you dont think you need it, paranoia or a mental health crisis should be taken seriously.
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flag chicane32 (Aug 2, 2022 at 13:01) (Below Threshold)
 @matadorCE: It’s 100% relevant to your bank account being lighter. If your brain wasn’t a pea you would have seen the cost of everything going up as soon as this Administration took over. Now tell us that nothing has increased in price and it has nothing to do with old Joe’s policies.
  • 6 2
 @chicane32: You're either a paid troll, a child, or mentally ill if my comment triggers you to shout your manifesto about Joe Biden. Are you a Trump Simp? Because that's even more pathetic.
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flag chicane32 (Aug 2, 2022 at 13:29) (Below Threshold)
 @matadorCE: Neither, just pointing out facts that apparently you are either ignoring or okay with? Enjoy you lighter bank account without having to buy a 9k bike?
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 @chicane32: Are people at home not paying any attention to you? Or at work? Because you're not ok dude
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 Now that’s the best motorbike yet
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