First Look: Spot Bikes Launch Gen 2 Ryve 115 Downcountry Bike

Jan 12, 2023
by Seb Stott  
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We reviewed the generation 1 Spot Ryve 115 back in 2020, but they're back with an updated Gen 2 version. Mike Levy described the first bike as "what happens when you take a bike designed for racing and soften its edges just a bit".

The new version isn't radically different from the first attempt. Spot have tweaked the suspension and stiffness, updated the geometry, and internalized the cable routing. Still, it's interesting to revisit such a unique bike and its quirky suspension design.
Spot Ryve 115 Details

• "Living Link" flex-pivot suspension
• 29", 115 mm travel, 120-130 mm fork
• Reach: 420, 445, 475 & 505 mm
• 66.2° head angle, 75-77.3° seat angle
• Claimed weight from 12.2 Kg / 26.8 lb
• Price: $5,599 to $8,999 (as shown)
spotbikes.com



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Living link suspension

Mike Levy goes in-depth on the Spot's suspension in his review, and the basic concept hasn't changed. In short, it's a short-link layout like you'd find on a Mondraker or a Giant, except where the lower-rear pivot connecting the bottom link to the swingarm has been replaced with a flexible piece of carbon. This eliminates one of the most stressed pivots, potentially saving on bearing replacements down the line. But Spot's main reason behind this design is to use the carbon as a leaf spring which adds a significant amount of force at strategic points of the travel, adding to and tweaking the shock's spring curve.

In the chart opposite from Spot's website, you can see how the leaf spring adds to the shock's spring force at around 25% travel and reduces it at 75% travel; at 0%, 50% and 100% travel, the suspension force is the same as you'd get with a conventional pivot.
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There's a lot more made of it on Spot's website, but the basic idea in my view is to make the bike sit higher in its travel at sag, but allow the suspension to move easily through the middle half of its travel (25 to 75%) when you hit a bump.

Weirdly, this is the opposite of what shock designers have been trying to achieve with ever-larger negative spring volumes over the last few years. The obvious downside is that the suspension will presumably feel stiffer near the start of the travel, compromising traction, with a lack of support in the middle of the travel.

For generation 2, Spot says they've developed a new leaf spring mounting system that provides more lateral and torsional stiffness, and the spring itself is now made from titanium rather than carbon fiber. They've also tweaked the leverage curve to give it 25% more progression.



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Frame Details


The frame looks very similar to the original version, but there is now full internal cable routing; the old bike had an external rear brake hose and internal gear cable on the swingarm. Tyre clearance is 29x 2.4" and there's a threaded BB.

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It's available in two colors: "Matte Hot Tomato" or "Matte Black".



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Geometry

The geometry has been tweaked but not reinvented. The head angle is just over one-degree slacker, while the seat tube has become size-specific, becoming steeper in the Large and XL sizes. Aside from that, most of the numbers are identical.



Pricing and specifications


There are four complete build options to choose from, plus a frame only for $3,599. The build options are: 4-Star Build for $5,599; 5-Star Build for $6,799; 6-Star XTR Build for $8,799 & 6-Star AXS Build (as shown) for $8,999.

The Ryve 115 is available now through Spot's website.



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98 Comments
  • 72 2
 I don't care much how heavy my enduro bike is, but a bike with less than 130mm of travel needs to be light. Kudos to Spot.
  • 47 8
 I care how much my enduro bike weighs. And all my bikes. A light bike is fun. I'm hoping the next wave of bike innovation is making bikes light again, but keeping them durable.
  • 53 5
 @bonkmasterflex: So you're saying bikes are too cheap
  • 23 3
 @bonkmasterflex: you know the saying,
Light, Cheap, Durable
Pick two, or maybe just one
  • 14 6
 @bonkmasterflex: I like that my enduro bike is burly and stong...if that makes it heavy, then so be it. My riding weight fluctuates from 210-220 lbs (depending how big my breakfast was that day) so my custom-built Nukeproof Giga that is essentially DH ready but pedal-able weighing in at 38 lbs doesn't bother me at all. I'm not racing up or down hills, just pushing myself to be better than yesterday...and I appreciate my bike not crumpling underneath me when I'm hitting the big jumps at bike parks!

I'm not sure I'd fully trust it if it was under 30 lbs, carbon or not...lightweight isn't all everyone makes it out to be, in my opinion! Unless it's an XC bike and you're in search of that extra tenth of a second, anyway!
  • 9 3
 @ajl-mtb: @hamncheez: we always seem to get caught up in the details of the words.
A bike with less than 130mm can be whatever the owner wants it to be. My 120mm Fugitive is not under 30lbs, it actually rivals my Carbon Spire which 170mm. I ride them both in a similar way, cant help it, its just the way I ride. The Fugitive is plenty fun, playful, and is a blast to rail on trails. The Spire, same adjectives, just more capable when it gets real steep and deep.

Buy, build, ride what you want. If YOU need something then do it, dont worry about anyone else.
  • 6 4
 I feel like 26.8 lbs is actually not that light for a bike with such low travel. I had my Tallboy 4 at 27 lbs with a 140mm fork up front and 2.6" tires.
  • 6 2
 @seraph: yeah cuz a 140mm fox 34 is way heavier than a 120 or 130mm fox 34... good point
  • 4 3
 @thegoodflow: @seraph
Travel is not an indicator of bike weight. Intended riding, rider preferences, riding location, are all much more important factors.
Loads of Chromag hardtails out there tipping the scales way higher than 30lbs, and lots of 140 trail bikes coming in under under.

We can only make things so light, while being durable, and competitively priced, theres not really any magic in it.
  • 5 1
 @onawalk: I guess the sarcasm was a little too subtle?
  • 3 4
 @thegoodflow: i got the sarcasm,,, was just speaking to the class.

Maybe we all need a sarcasm font?
  • 4 1
 @onawalk: I'm aware that travel doesn't necessarily dictate weight. It does sort of by default though. A larger, longer travel fork will weigh considerably more than a short travel model. For example, a 180mm ZEB with 38mm stanchions will weigh more than a 120mm SID with 35mm stanchions, just by material alone. And generally, a bike with accommodations for a longer eye to eye and stroke shock will weigh more than one designed for something shorter. Rear shocks don't vary too much in weight but different suspension linkages and designs can add quite a bit when allowing for more wheel travel.
  • 1 1
 @onawalk: so you got the sarcasm, but you also need a sarcasm font to keep it from flying over your head.... ok sure
  • 3 2
 @seraph: sure, from extreme to the other,
But a 140mm 34, is the same as a 130mm and 150. The slightly longer air spring is a fairly minimal weight, to essentially be nothing.
So a Fugitive running 120mm rear, and 140 front is near enough identical to 140r and 170 f….
  • 1 0
 @onawalk: more like pick none
  • 1 0
 @mjlee2003: I’ve had really good success in the last several years.
All my bikes seem to actually be a decent combo of all three, the latest one being a bit more expensive than I’d like.
My wife’s Norco sight, well, it was cheap, it appears durable, but Jesus, it’s not light
  • 5 1
 @onawalk: For a frame, travel is a major predictor of weight. In most cases it is the primary predictor of weight.

A frame intended for a longer fork needs to be stronger and contain more material to deal with a longer lever acting on its structure. A frame with more rear travel has to deal with higher loads under full compression, even when the leverage ratio is held constant.

Also, travel is highly correlated with intended use. For most riders, and most bikes, less travel means the bike is intended for mellower terrain and efficiency is a more desired trait.
  • 1 2
 @hamncheez: "For a frame, travel is a major predictor of weight"

Mmmmmm?, A Banshee Phantom at 115mm is going to weight much more then a Spec Stumpy Evo at 150mm
  • 1 2
 @hamncheez: there’s loads of factors that go into the frame weight, and you’re right travel is one of the only side rations, but intended use is likely as important. And while travel plays a part in that intended use equation as well, I think people tend to ride varied bikes on varied terrain with various amounts of travel.

Take a Knolly Fugitive, a Norco Revolver for instance.
Travel, both are/can be 120mm rear travel bikes, but are worlds apart in intended and marketed use. I’ll let you guess which bike is heavier.

All I’m saying is, don’t let a travel number be the factor that leads you to a “this bike must weigh this”, or “a 130 mm bike needs to weigh less than 8 apples”, etc
  • 1 1
 @onawalk: just remove the vowels?!
  • 2 0
 @seraph: now tallboys are 30-34 lbs
  • 2 0
 @onawalk: I’m hung up on weight. I fit most mediums. I’ve got a downhill bike for the 4 weekends a year I make it to lift access in North Carolina.

What 140mm travel bikes are there that in mid-spec (no carbon rims) weigh under 30lbs?

Bonus points for a mid-spec 120-125mm travel bike at 27lbs.
  • 4 0
 Cherry picking aluminum frames VS extremely expensive carbon frames is misleading. Khabib Nurmagomedov is stronger than your average high school heavyweight wrestler. Therefore weight has no bearing on strength in grappling sports.
  • 1 0
 @SnowshoeRider4Life: yeah I thought that was kinda crazy too. Feels like all of their bikes have gotten a lot heavier. Actually a lot of bikes in general. My SJ carbon is around 29 lbs with a very similar build to my Tallboy 4.
  • 1 0
 @itslightoutandawaywego: Rocky Instinct, in carbon 50 model is 31ish lbs
Transition Sentinel GX carbon is 31ish lbs (mine was 30.2)
Transition Scout GX carbon is 31 lbs
Rocky element carbon is 28lbs
Transition Spur is 27ish lbs.
Knolly warden, is either 140, or 120, can easily be 30 lbs, mine is at 32 with cushcore in both wheels.
So while not under 30 lbs, you’ll never know the difference,
Last Devinci Troy that was in my stand weighed in at 30.4 lbs, mid spec, alu wheels.

All of those bikes would be on the burlier side of their respective categories.
My buddies Stumpy EVO, is 28ish lbs, it was a fairly base model carbon bike, but he added fox factory suspension, but still runs Roval alu wheels.

The Sentinel, Instinct, and Stumpy EVO can easily do bike park days. And are excellent trail bikes.
  • 1 1
 @onawalk: you are doing gods word. Thank you.
  • 2 1
 @bonkmasterflex: well, why don’t we get rid of the wagon wheels for a start
  • 3 2
 @Twowheelsjunkie: I think we're past that haha. The benefits of the big wheels outweigh (pun intended) the weight penalty. Plus there are some pretty light big wheels these days.
  • 1 0
 @bonkmasterflex: wouldn’t there be slightly lighter smaller wheels then as well?
  • 2 2
 @onawalk: I think you missed the part about the benefits of bigger wheels. It's nice to not get caught in holes and be able to hold speed over rough bits.
  • 3 2
 @bonkmasterflex: you’ve lost me boss,
Not sure I or anyone in this thread made comment about the pros/cons of 275 vs 29 wheels.
I was commenting on your point about there being light weight wagon wheels, and that it would stand to reason that there would still be lighter weight 275 wheels.

Everyone riding 29 wheels, just changes the size of the “holes” to now something that resembles a 29 wheel. To continue to get benefit of that thinking, you’d need to move to a bigger wheel every couple years, once a certain wheel size becomes popular.
Around here, 29 wheels are the norm, so the holes, ruts, braking bumps, are sized to match
  • 16 0
 That 1st gen Ryve 115 was/is one of my all time favorite short travel bikes. The pivot hardware is updated too, per the website. These tweaks are exactly what i was looking for in the new one.
  • 23 5
 Gt must of had a lot of extra front triangles.
  • 15 3
 Enough for the new Trek and then some…
  • 14 0
 I own a Ryve 115 and it’s fantastic. Amazing bike. I’m tempted to get the new one. I own a few of the other spot bikes and they too are fantastic. Love Spot bikes!
  • 11 0
 I've never seen a Spot in the flesh. I guess it must be a front range thing? Anyway, good looking bike, a lot of interesting concepts. Geo looks dialed too for a short travel trail ripper.
  • 7 3
 I’ve run into a couple at our shop in MD over the years. My biggest complaint was dealing with Spot. We had a Spot commuter bike that needed a new brake hose, they were run externally with bolt on guides. The screws were all corroded or seized into place. I called Spot and asked them if they could address this with the customer and they basically placed the blame on us. Mind you, the heads weren’t stripped out. I’m assuming they didn’t use any grease or low strength loctite to initially install them, and a year of commuting had locked them in the bosses. Customer was pretty pissed at their response and asked me to get them off. I ended up reverse drilling them to no success, and finally drilled them, and the rivnuts out and replaced everything. I think the customer was going to attempt to pass the cost along to Spot, I never heard the outcome.
  • 2 0
 I demoed one at Snowmass Demo Days a while back, maybe 130ish? I liked it.
  • 3 0
 my buddy rides their 130mm 29er and it feels fantastic. Probably the most lively-feeling 29er I've ridden—hopped on it and immediately manualed better than on my own bike (much to my surprise)
  • 3 0
 Demoed one at outerbike pre covid on Ahab in Moab. Loved it but couldnt find one used as was my goal.
  • 9 0
 I had the privilege of riding the previous version and it was a very fun bike. 1* slacker sounds awesome. I loved their previous way of keeping the brake cable routing external, but I guess you can't have it all. Looks rad. I've enjoyed every spot bike I've ridden.
  • 1 0
 @hardtailparty Your Gen1 Ryve review is one of the reasons I currently own one... would like to hear what you think of the new version. Seems like the perfect "Bentonville" bike. Wonder how it would compare with the Allied BC40.
  • 2 0
 @Mermar: I actually just bought a ryve v2. It hasn't arrived yet but I'm excited. It wouldn't be my top choice for Bentonville with all the jumps and drops there, but for NorCal or Michigan or somewhere flatter that rewards sprinting, I think it'd be great.
  • 11 0
 Steeper seat tube angle for the larger sizes... FINALLY! Tall riders rejoicing. WTF every other manufacturer?
  • 1 0
 Stack height sucks, though...
  • 12 2
 Nice "carbon" leaf spring. Sure looks like titanium to me.
  • 2 0
 It very clearly says that it uses a flexible piece of carbon to use carbon as a leaf spring except the carbon leaf spring is made from titanium instead of carbon. Carbon.
  • 3 0
 @albeant: So by that logic I could say it's made of burrito except the burrito is made from titanium instead of burrito. Burrito
  • 1 0
 @chrisfirth: lol
Burritotanium
  • 5 1
 It looks like the non-red version is finally red-free! That red always looked weird with modern fork and component (fox orange, SRAM oil slick. or bronze. or gold) color schemes. Picky? Maybe, but for the money I want a bike to look cohesive (basically all of them ride well at this point).
  • 4 0
 I own a first gen Spot Mayhem 130 and demoed a first gen Ryve 115 a few years ago. Love the 130. Still have it and it is a great bike. One of the reasons I didn't go with a Ryve the first time around was due to the long seat tube lengths and steep head angle. This really addresses those concerns. Hopefully I can get on one soon!
  • 4 0
 I own and love a 1st gen Ryve. While the move to a threaded BB is nice, having the brake cable routed externally on the 1st gen is almost equally convenient. Speaking of cable routing, can we all agree it's nice to see high-end bikes coming out w/o cables routed through the head set?

Spot, if you're listening, for gen 3, keep the improvements from Gen 2 but add bolt clearance to change pads on the rear brake caliper w/o having to remove the whole thing, and add some in-frame storage or at least some bosses on the underside of the top tube.
  • 3 0
 I really like the design, kinematics and aesthetics of these bike, specifically the 150. The prices on the site seem OK but I'm wondering about taxes, import fees, etc to get one into Canada. Anyone have any experience with that??

Also, the cost for shipping when you proceed through their buying process seems excessive. Upwards of 4-500 CDN$

I really do like the bikes though. Sure would be cool to see a Mayhem 150 test.
  • 2 0
 I wish the mayhem had more similar design cues to the ryve, though. I know beauty is in the eye of the beholder, but to me the ryve is a cool looking frame whereas the longer travel bikes are sortof awkward looking, just IMO.
  • 3 2
 It's a bit pricey, but very interesting! I can see how the living link suspension system could do great things for both, pedaling support and a supple ride feel. Looks like the geometry of the XL would be right up my alley aswell.
  • 21 1
 $9k is a bit pricey for factory suspension, XX1 AXS and carbon wheels? I think their builds are actually really quite reasonable given the rest of the market and trends. The equivalent build on a Yeti SB120 is $12k!!!
  • 2 0
 @wilsonians: spot is D2C. Yeti is not. Living in Golden I guess you get good support either way (but then there's commencal too Smile ...)
  • 2 3
 @wilsonians: It's still very pricey compared to other D2C brands. That's like 50% more expensive than a Canyon Lux CFR Team Replica
  • 5 0
 I guess pinkbike spotted the new spot bike
  • 1 11
flag dododuzzi (Jan 12, 2023 at 8:11) (Below Threshold)
 There is nothing to spot: these are press releases sent by the manufacturer. The same info can be found on any Web magazine that publishes press releases. See for example bikerumor bikerumor.com/spot-ryve-115-goes-downcountry-with-updated-suspension-longer-forks
  • 26 25
 Typical of PB and tech, a few things missing. Spot now uses a Ti leaf vs the carbon. this is to help with consistency of the spring rate it produces as well as more controllable machining. Also the "trend" to larger negative chamber has tapered off quite a bit. More and more bicycles have less and less ant-squat so the neg chamber has to be reduced to control body induced movement. And as more people move back to coils, the smaller neg chamber mimic's this but with more adjust-ability. This, in the grand scheme of things, is a good thing as you have more tuning options from super squishy off the top to firm pedal platform feel within the same shock. Notice that the Spot uses a "small" air can, no large negative volume bump at base of the air can, they also may have "anti" spacers as Fox calls them. (Pivot is king of jamming anti spacers in all their shocks) This bike does NOT have a "lose of traction" at the top of the stroke. Please ride it before you say it might. And the mid stroke is controlled by the air cans natural progression and when set up right has great compliance AND support. ALL the Spot bikes are amazingly adaptable to ones terrain. You can make this 115 short travel light and super fast or put bomber wheels and tires and rip any descent. Or take the Mayhem 150 and make it a light weight all mountain long travel XC machine... if you want! Just say'in
Am I a bit biased, maybe! Great friends of mine, but I ride and have lots of other bike brands too! Spot is the slight underdog in the high end bike mrkt, but if you ride one you'll be hard pressed to find something that climbs as well and still descends the way you want it to. The geometry is the best bar none, no stupid "actual and virtual" seat tube angles, its steep that way they should be and if you have a high saddle height your saddle won't end up being behind the rear wheel like so many other "modern" geo bikes, ugh!
The old Ryve was a blast, this one only got better in all the right places
PB, please please get the tech right before throwing someones hard earned work under the bus
No... I do not work for Spot
  • 9 2
 That's a hell of an assault on physics...
  • 26 2
 It depends on the situation, but a stiff initial spring rate is pretty strongly associated with poorer traction, as there is more contact patch load variability as the wheel moves in and out of its travel. I used the word "presumably" to give it the benefit of the doubt because I haven't ridden the bike, but I'm going on pretty well-established suspension theory.

As for the trend towards larger negative volumes slowing down, can you think of any examples of that? I can't. RockShox updated the Pike, Lyrik, Zeb, SuperDeluxe and Deluxe this year, and all had a larger negative volume than their predecessor. Same with the latest Fox 34, 36, Float X, and X2.

Good spot on the carbon to titanium change. I've added that in - thanks!
  • 6 2
 I love how in the photo the leaf spring is very obviously made of metal (presumably steel or ti), and then in the text immediately below they describe the leaf spring as being made of carbon... twice.
  • 10 9
 Well Spot is the brand that publicly claimed that a frame failure was the riders fault in part because they weren't running the recommended low speed compression settings. I don't really expect stuff from them to make sense.
  • 5 0
 Ah, spot list actual and virtual seat angles on their geo charts.
  • 1 0
 @seb-stott: I just saw your update... so they tweaked the leverage curve to make it 25% MORE progressive? How progressive (or regressive) was it before the update?
  • 4 5
 @thegoodflow:

We are all just swimming along, trying our best to be successful in this life. Better to lift one another up with positivity, don't you think?

If you don’t think thats a fair idea, maybe you could post where you work, so I can swing by, watch over your shoulder, and publicly display any mistakes you might make.
  • 6 8
 @onawalk: sure, swing by your moms house later and you can critique my mistakes, you pretentious ass
  • 3 2
 @thegoodflow:
You get it though eh?
We all make mistakes, but calling people out for them kinda sucks a bit, glass houses and all that.
  • 3 2
 @onawalk: so, did I make a mistake by asking for clarification about the tech info that was published in this article, or pointing out the other bit about the leaf spring that was obviously wrong? If that's the case, then here you are calling me out for my mistake. Glass houses and all that. Do you really not see the irony? f*ck right off of your high horse and save the preachy life lessons for someone who cares.
  • 2 4
 @thegoodflow: come on, a little honesty here.
Trying to now go back and re-frame your initial comment as anything other than trying to be witty at someone’s else’s expense is a worse look. If you’re gonna be that guy, then be that guy, don’t now try to play the victim after being called out on it. There’s a term for that, but it escapes me right now

Not exactly irony, but I get your point, and it’s not lost on me. I’m not entirely sure how else to bring the point up to you, I’d had something a little snarkier typed out, and went back and changed it before I posted it.

You see we all make mistakes, and how we choose to deal with them is the measure of who we are as people.

I’ll try to f*ck right off with my high horse over here, have a good one out there.
  • 3 3
 @onawalk: I'm not playing a victim, I'm just calling you out for being a douchebag since you deemed it appropriate to react to an innocuous comment with some weirdly preachy and condescending attempt at redirecting the moral compass of your peers. Seriously, I don't think you could be any more pretentious if you tried... it's gross, f*ck off.
  • 2 4
 @thegoodflow: imagine if I tried….
You enjoy it, you keep coming back in an attempt to vindicate your initial comment.
Douchebag, or pretentious, or whatever other slanderous comment about my mother you’d like to make, can’t change your initial comment, and your subsequent replies.

Good luck out there man, you might need to get yourself a helmet
  • 5 0
 @seb-stott: Regarding the firmness/traction at the start of the travel, I think the variable you might be overlooking is that the leaf spring is exactly that—its own spring. Having owned a Spot Mayhem, I cleared technical climbs that I previously thought impossible. The rear end stayed glued to the terrain on climbs and provided me with traction beyond what I thought was possible.
  • 1 0
 @DRomy: it's in parallel with the main shock spring though, so mechanically acts exactly the same as if it were an integral part of the shock. Cool that you cleaned the climbs still!
  • 5 0
 Love that this has a zs44/56 head set and not IS
  • 7 7
 That is actually not very light (for the top-build) for a DC bike, but okay, it's the suspension design that is much complexer and heavier than flex-pivot... My EpicEvo is around 10.4kg (incl. pedals, XX1 AXS and Reverb AXS) with Manitou fork and shock (they are not the lightest), so still with some grams to spare...
  • 2 1
 Yeah, this weighs about the same as a similarly spec's stumpjumper. Although specialized are crushing everyone on frame weight lately
  • 11 0
 @arrowheadrush: Yeah, and it looks like Specialized is even going to be 8% lighter.
  • 1 0
 I wonder how this compares to a Epic Evo ... I am trying to decide between the two. Very similar head tube angles... Specy will be much lighter (assuming both XTR build level). Living link and 130mm travel up front would be the two main differences. Ryve does have very dialed geometry (at least on the Gen 1 that I spent several hours on). HAve not yet riden EPic EVO
  • 4 0
 That is a beautiful bicycle.
  • 2 0
 Kudos that Spot HAS -- not have -- made the frame stiffer, even if it may have added a few grams. Not a fan of the uber-steep STA in XL on a 115 mm bike though.
  • 4 1
 Looks like a Trek ……






Fuel Ex at the seattube/toptube connection.
  • 5 3
 Looks like a Sess...Fuel Ex
  • 4 2
 GT?
  • 2 4
 Looks like a niner
  • 2 0
 Can we start a petition or something to change Downcountry to Upduro?
  • 2 0
 Id hit it.
  • 3 6
 76 sta on a 115mm bike is friggin ridiculous. I have 75 deg on my 140mm bike and it's perfect. I do NOT want to buy a bike made for pedaling with a saddle so far forward that the hand pressure causes discomfort. Steep sta are for bikes that you pedal up a huge mountain and then bomb down out of the saddle. They suck donkey balls on bikes used for pedaling on flat-ish trails. And no, it has nothing to do with power output or hip angle and everything to do with weight distribution.
  • 1 1
 Looks like a Trance
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