Rocky Mountain has today launched a new, far more aggressive version of its Element range. The Element, known for being a cross-country race bike, now has descending credentials that, on paper at least, could defy the XC tag.
This bike is a ground up redesign and features radically more aggressive geometry. In fact, not only does it see the reach increase by between 30 and 40mm depending on size, but it also reduces the head angle by around four degrees in its neutral mode.
Rocky Mountain ElementFrame material: Carbon or Alloy
Intentions: Trail/Downcountry?
Travel: 120mm (130mm fork)
Wheelsize: XS 27.5” - S / M / L / XL 29"
Head Tube Angle: 65.0 - 65.8°
Reach: 480 (large)
Price: $2,559 - $9,589 USD
More info: bikes.com Speaking to some of the staff at Rocky, they make it clear that while this bike is aiming to be very adept at climbing and comfortable enough to ride all day, it is something of a departure from the idea of an all-out XC race rig. The way they put it is that it's tailor-made for stage races such as the BC Bike Race. In events like that, there is a huge amount of vertical elevation to conquer but people don't traditionally tackle it on all-out 100mm cross-country hardtails that prioritise weight over everything else. Instead, people ride it on bikes that can do everything the race bike can do, but also a whole lot more.
Realistically it's this style of XC bike, your
downcountry build, that is probably best suited to your average Joe, myself included. Personally, I would have little interest in having an XC race-rig in my garage. A bike like the Element, however, is a different proposition entirely. I could enjoy riding it as my daily and, if I were to get dropped on the climbs on a group ride, I can assure you it wouldn't be the bike's fault.
Frame DetailsThe new Element features a whole host of frame features. Some you may well expect, such as Rocky’s loyalty to multiple position geometry chips, even if that has now been cut down to the mere four positions as opposed to the previous 9. The Ride-4 adjustment uses a single allen key to give four different ride positions that will affect the head and effective seat tube angle by nearly a degree.
The Element uses a svelt-looking four-bar system to deliver 120mm of rear wheel travel that's paired to a 130mm fork at the front.
There is also smart sizing in terms of wheel size. Instead of trying to butcher a 29” wheel into all sizes, or even running a mixed wheeled setup, Rocky have decided to offer the extra-small in 27.5”. A consequence of the smaller wheels, as well as the increase in travel and more aggressive geometry for the Element, means that the Thunderbolt is being removed from Rocky’s range entirely. The new extra-small element features significantly more (33mm) standover clearance than Thunderbolt in the same size.
All 29” frames can be equipped with two water bottles. The extra small has to make do with one, but this is rectified somewhat by comfortably accepting a 750ml bottle.
The elegant tubing continues to the rear end of the bike to feature a rear axle sheltered within the contours of the carbon.
Both the carbon and alloy models feature more frame protection, a chain guide, internal moto-compatible gear and brake routing, a SRAM universal hanger as well as shielded bearings. The main pivot nut on all bikes is interchangeable with the one on the Instincts and Altitudes to accept Rocky’s Canadarm chain guide.
The bikes will happily accept anything from a 30 - 36t chainring and have clearance for a 2.6” tire. They also feature size-specific shock tunes.
GeometryThe Element, straight from the off is drastically more progressive than its predecessor. Not only does it become around 4 degrees slacker in the head angle but the reach also grows by a substantial amount. In fact, the larger the size the more it grows and the extra-large, comparing both the new and outgoing bike in their neutral settings, increases its reach by 38mm. This is a huge change.
Unsurprisingly, the seat tube angle has also been steepened to keep tabs on the front end while climbing. The seat tube angle is now around 76.5 degrees, depending on size and chip position. The seat tube itself is short enough to put many a modern enduro bike to shame and will enable long-drop seatposts as standard. The large we were sent features a very healthy 175mm of drop.
SuspensionRocky revised the kinematics of the new Element to increase anti-squat, which is at around 103% at sag. The increased anti-squat should ensure a good platform when the rider accelerates.
Rocky feels that riders will now not only be able to benefit from using a lower spring rate with less damping, and reap the grip benefits associated with that, but also access the entire range of the travel when needed because there is less progression in the end part of the shock's stroke.
ModelsThe bike is available in both alloy and carbon, with the higher end builds predictably coming on the non-metallic bikes. The
Alloy 10, the base model, comes with a Deore level spec and that improves through the
Alloy 30 to eventually reach a solid SLX and Fox Performance build kit on the
Alloy 50 which sells for $4,049 USD.
The carbon models start with the $4,259
Carbon 30 which also features an SLX build, but differentiates from the Alloy 50 with a Marzocchi Z2 fork and some lower spec componentry including Shimano non-series brakes. They then progress through the 50 and 70 to the range-topping XTR laden
Carbon 90 which retails for $9,589 USD.
Initial ImpressionsThe Rocky is an interesting bike to ride. I've been lucky enough to be riding it in Squamish, just up the road from Rocky Mountain's Vancouver offices and in a town the aforementioned BC Bike Race rolls through. If this bike is going to shine anywhere, this is the place.
Coming from a few months of riding longer travel bikes, namely those featured on our field test, the Element feels like a lot of the things I've become accustomed to but in a far lighter and livelier package, and it delivers on its promise to be XC for BC in droves. In the few days I've had it it's shown that it's fun, it's lively and it's actually a very comfortable bike to ride. Sometimes when the geometry of a bike outperforms the travel on offer it means that your body ends up paying the price, but that's not the case with the Element. It's not only a fun bike to ride, but it's a fun bike to ride all day.
My initial impressions have been generally very positive and hopefully we'll be able to feature this bike in our upcoming field test.
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I once built an Alloy DH bike that was 35lbs and after a couple of rides I changed out some components to make it heavier as it was just too twitchy. Weight is Stability when descending, and I think instead of companies and riders focusing on getting the lightest gear possible they should consider the weight "sweet spot" - a theory of finding the balance between weight and compromise that I would like to just throw out there
If you look at the really lightweight cross country bikes, they are just as light as 15 years ago, but still more capable. The top of the line Ibis Exie is 22.5 pounds with a dropper. You are going to pay a lot for it, but is as light as any FS bike from 15 years ago, but far more capable.
that's what I tell myself when I look in the mirror after my morning shower.
This is their XC/Marathon race bike, so I'm also eagerly waiting for a frame weight report.
Frame weight is all I need to know, overall weight where they've specced underperforming tires or whatnot isn't really useful.
Hmmmm.....38lb trail bike that I have to pedal to the top of the mountain or the 45lb bike with a motor?
The sadness in all this is that I read the other day Bosch is now sponsoring NICA. They're spinning it as support for the coaches who can't keep up with youngsters but you know the end goal is World ebike domination for all ages....lol!!
However before dropping several thousand on a bike we deserve to know and decide the weight is acceptable, even if its not as important as a well designed bike
Same here with my HD3. 30lbs with aluminum wheels and chain guide/ bash guard.
Your friend should of bought aluminum version.
Weight in the form of a heavier rear shock = higher volume (or coil), better ability to take repeated hits, generally more composure, fewer bottom outs due to greater tuning ability around HSC, HSR
Hmmm I have a coil Stumpy and coil Wreckoning. Size Larges. Both are under or at 30lbs. Both cost less than $6k new.
Again coil front and rear, size large. Under $6k.
Integrity of my bikes seems fine. Of other bikes or the companies making them I cannot speak of
So yeah when I weigh it without that stuff its 30lbs.
It would be pretty easy to shed at least another 1/2-1lb too, but it is an enduro rig so the 31mm ID rims laced to 350 hubs, 35mm bar and stem, Ergon grips, XT RD, PNW Dropper they all stay as does the added e13 bash.
But hey keep going heavy, doesn't bother me
P.S.
The Wrecker is running Aggressor 2.3 EXO and DHF 2.5 EXO.
Just gave my buddy an emergency Aggessor cause his blew out. He bought me another one, but DD. Kinda pissed.
P.S.S.
Rotors are XT 8000 203/180 on the Wreck
I have been a long-time RMB fan...on my 3rd one in 10 years. But there's no chance I will be going back to RMB for my next bike with their current pricing/value proposition.
Another issue with house brand parts is that of identifying specs. We don't know the weight, material, source of a lot of these house brand components. Sometimes these house brands parts are debranded Syntace which makes some really high end, German-engineered parts, other times they are just debranded Uno parts which are churned out of a Chinese factory. The Syntance is a gram counting $80 stem, the Uno is still a good stem, but can be found for $10. When you add up that selection set across an entire bike build, the difference can be hundreds of dollars. I've always felt like hubs in particular were worth being name brand because sourcing bearings, drivers, pawls etc for unbranded hubs can be a real PITA.
I think many brands have been hearing complaints about parts shortages and availability, and they are merely up-charging for the ease of selection the consumer now has. You might be able to build an Element for $2000 less than what Rocky is charging, but it would require using a few different sources for parts, where as Rocky is selling it complete.
Some brands still offer that great value of buying complete, but I'm not sure its as consistent across the industry as what it once was.
Will other's follow? Maybe. But there are others that won't, and hopefully they design a bike good enough to justify the significant savings.
I don't care if the RMB CNC'd stem is as strong, as light as beautifully machined as a Turbine R (which its probably just a unbranded version of)...resale value on that RMB CNC stem as a brand new take-off would be 1/4 to 1/5 of a brand new Turbine R.
Canyon Lux Trail: Full XTR, Full Fox Factory, DT XMC1200 wheelset (180 hubs front and rear, higher end rims, 30mm inner rims) = $7599 ($7720 after shipping/box). Vs. Element 90 for $11,550 with inferior wheels and no-name stem.
That's nearly $4,000 difference for an inferior build. Sure, the Rocky is 65 HA vs. the Canyon Trails 67.5. But 2.5 degrees aren't worth $4,000. How much of that is Bike STore margin, and how much of that is extra RMB profits. The RMB Element 90 is a 52.6% premium over the Canoy Lux Trail for a far superior build kit.
Buying the Canyon Lux Trail at full retail is most likely cheaper than getting an Element 90 at a pro-deal.
(comparing the Canyon Lux TR as it is also a recently released bike with a somewhat similar customer base in mind, with similar build kits).
Rocky is definitely one of the worst for value to price. My Dad recently got a Altitude C70 which retails for $9300cnd. When I compare the spec to my SC Megatower XO build which also retailed for $9300cnd.
For the same price with the SC you get DT350 hubs vs 370 and RMB, carbon cranks, SC carbon bar vs RMB alloy, and a reverb vs raceface dropper. You also get the lifetime warranty with the SC and free bearings.
Santacruz and Yeti might not always be thee best overall value but they look pretty good in comparison to rocky when you factor in the warranty, customer service and higher quality of the latter two brands.
RF was also OEM on many bikes in the 90's and early 2000's until many bike brands decided to take things in-house.
And yes, RaceFace did start as the house brand at Rocky Mountain before being spun off. Some history freehubmag.com/articles/let-our-people-ride-rebirth-race-face
If @norcobicycles, for instance, made 3x the frames (and could find components for them) and had even 10% lower prices, I think folks would flock to their brand.
In 2014, RF bought Easton Cycling. Later that year, Fox bought Race Face and Easton Cycling.
The Spur needs more AS (only around 92%) as it bobs excessively.
Two bottles inside would be really nice but not a big deal.
The new Element fixes both of these issues.
The Chainstays are too short on the Spur on a 480 Reach and as a result the front end wanders a lot on technical climbs. Unfortunately the new Element did not correct this through chain stay length but likely offset this by having a very low stack height, which comes with it's own issues.
The suspension on the Spur just doesn't keep up with the rest of the bike. The shock performs poorly and the fork is unreliable. Manitou front & rear fixes this nicely.
The frame weights are nearly identical which is impressive given that the Element doesn't use Flexstays. Rocky Mountain has always built light frames though.
Part # 972-01-469
Tune info: 2022, Float DPS, F-S, K, 3pos-ADJ, Evol LV, FOX, AM, 190, 45, 0.4 Spacer, LCM, LRM, CFM, Orange
LCM = Linear Compression Light
LRM = Linear Rebound Medium
CFM = Firm Lockout
So far this tune seems to work well. I haven't mounted the shockwiz yet but I would say the linear light compression is good so far. I might need to go to a bigger VS but haven't noticed any harsh bottom out yet.
If you got the cash I highly recommend going to the Fox 34 Grip 2 and DPS. Took a while to dial in the 34 (ended up using shockwiz) but I really like how it's setup now. Definitely increased the capability of the bike, i'm running at 130mm instead of 120mm, largely increase the BB height because it's very rocky here on the front range. I may go back to the 120mm config but for now I enjoy the 130mm and don't see much downside. Like I said earlier, trail position on the DPS is killer. I can leave it there the entire ride, pedals well and still feels great on descents too. Love not having to worry about a cheater-switch.
I've always been a big fan of the old Marzocchi look....chrome/red...kind of classy I thought. The newer Lyric has that bright red with chrome lettering which I like too
I dutifully tested out every Ride9 conformation on my 2021 Instinct (and took meticulous notes) and overall found myself liking positions 4 and 6 the most. It is less about slacking out the geo, I would spring for an angleset if that was my ultimate goal, the suspension dynamics really do perform differently once you get used to the bike.
Huge interest if this bike gets tested in more than 1 of the Ride9 settings. The Instinct was only tested in setting 1 (the lowest/slackest), was billed as an "ok" climber, but in reality, the bike is super capable both up and down in Ride9 settings 4-7.
„Ohh These MaxxGrip tires are so grippy but they don’t roll so well “
Being a longtime (1994?) Rocky owner with one of the current stable a '14 Element converted as a ~25lb version of their BC Edition I fully agree with you. I've been holding off buying a new ride for two reasons, a/ COVID pricing, and b/ waiting to see what the new Element looks like. Like you, I was expecting to see a steeper HA (67.5*, +/- 0.5* w/Ride9). Hopefully I can manage to demo ride one soon, along with a few other options.
If I did a frame-up Element build it'd consist of:
- 120mm fork, Fox SC or SID Ultimate, black, no remote
- rear shock w/remote, so useful for racing and general go fast riding, forget about fumbling under the toptube
- LB carbon hoops w/ DT240s
- XT 12spd, cables please
- RF Next crankset, upcycled from current bike
- 9point8 dropper, upcycled from current bike
I have been racing an Epic Evo on the later style course, and I can tell you it's 100% the right tool for the job.
That said, I ride ultra endurance races all over the US southwest and wouldn’t want anything slacker than the 67.5 that I currently run, since, for me, that’s the threshold of a floppy front end on the steep climbs.
YMMV
Ok, but all of my bikes have the seat in the exact same position, relative to the bottom bracket, and I’m not interested in changing that. Also, I’m mainly speaking to a bike with 115mm of travel and 25% sag, so the rear end isn’t sinking into the travel like it would on a longer travel bike running more sag, which is where the steeper seat angles make sense.
Enduro types don’t mind it because they don’t care as much about climbing quickly, and even if they did, they are probably climbing steep terrain in any case. A slacker seat angle, as is optimal for power output on rolling terrain, means a super-slack head angle will lead to understeer in the turns and wheel flop on climbs.
The sweet spot for me so far has been on my Sniper XC, 67.5° head angle and a reasonable seat angle. Works great everywhere.
Also, a lot of XC bikes have to much stack, I shouldn't have to put a -40 stem on the bike.
As a reference point he Ripley has a 10mm longer fork and 10mm shorter head tube, so should roughly cancel out, L is 622 and 631 for XL.
I don't usually care much for rocky, but this is a cool bike.
The geo table looks closer now. Reach and stack shouldn’t both be getting bigger as the head angle increases across the adjustment range, but really the slackest setting is the only one that anyone looks at anyway.
Rocky website has a Size L in slack (Pos. 1) with 475mm reach and 624mm stack and that makes a lot more sense overall.
for example here is my meta 4x
i.imgur.com/rWww9kz.jpg
Rocky Mountain Element Tailored Protection Kit
Judging by that experience, Fox will release 130 mm SC soon.
I really like how they managed to make room for two water bottles.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dh_U7AswxiQ
(I have a 2019 Thunderbolt, so was interested in the comparison)
3000$ Canadian. Probably sold out already.
Rocky mountain and affordable. Something I thought I'd never catch myself saying.
vimeo.com/40560345
What's the deal with all of these bikes?!
I see it as (31-43)/31 = -38.7
But yeah, this bike is NOT gonna fare well against a Spur or Following.
So I get something like 34-40.5 = -6.5/ 40.5 = -16% progression/ 16% regression
I dunno, I'm not sure which one to use as a base either.
Progression is calculated as ((3.17-2.35)/3.17)*100% = 25.9%
sick bike tho
I get technical uphill section probably will benefit, however pedaling fire roads and descending trails after will be better on dt's
As someone who likes Industry Nine, lives in the SE, and knows former employees of Industry Nine I'd still take a basic DT Swiss 350 or 240 everyday over a I Nine hub.
It's really very simple. Like DT hubs are very simple, reliable, and light weight. After all these years they are still the best hubs on the market. Every other hub is just marketing compared to DT Swiss. All for show with zero more go.
If you keep an eye on the below threshold comments many go to accounts that have been recently created and have no information. I assume these folk have normal accounts and just want to hide behind a secondary accounts but shits getting a little tiresome.