Whyte's E-180 Works Offers Bosch's "Race Only" Motor To Anyone

Sep 29, 2022
by Seb Stott  
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Whyte is launching what they describe as a "gravity race eMTB" and "the ultimate Super E-Enduro race bike". It's called the e-180 Works MX.

It's the first e-bike we've seen available to buy with Bosch's brand-new "race-specific" and snappily-named Performance Line CX Race Limited Edition Motor. This drive unit offers more punchy assistance (up to 400% of rider input compared to 340% in the regular motor) and a more aggressive overrun (the time the motor keeps spinning after you stop pedalling) to help get up and over obstacles. It weighs 150 g less than the regular motor too.

11.08.22. Whyte Bikes E-180 Rider Sam Shucksmith PIC Andy Lloyd www.andylloyd.photography andylloyder

The all-new bike features 170 mm of rear travel with a 180 mm fork, mullet wheels in all sizes and a huge 750 Wh Bosch battery. "More is more" would be a good summary. The weight is officially described as "TBC".

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The aluminium frame boasts a low battery placement for greater agility, plus a battery guide rail, co-developed with Bosch, to make fitting and removing the battery easier. The RockShox suspension is custom tuned in-house.

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The Race motor has the same form factor as the regular version.
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With the flip chip in the low setting the head angle can be as slack as 62.5 degrees.

Whyte offer a four-year frame warranty and a lifetime warranty on bearings.

The e-180 Works MX is the flagship model which will go for £9,799 (international pricing is set locally). The range also includes the e-180 RSX MX (£8,799) and e-180 S MX (£6,799), which lack the race-tuned motor but share the same frame and 750 Wh battery.

All models are available to pre-order now at whytebikes.com. Whyte expect the RSX model to arrive on the 12th of December; the other two are TBC.



11.08.22. Whyte Bikes E-180 Rider Sam Shucksmith PIC Andy Lloyd www.andylloyd.photography andylloyder


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122 Comments
  • 83 10
 400% of rider input and the motor keeps spinning even after you stop pedaling? At what point will they just put a straight throttle on these things?
  • 37 6
 Just like all racing, the technology pushes the limits of the rules. That’s part of the challenge. So throttles won’t be coming. What would F1 be if there were zero rules? Or any other motor sport or cycling. If man and machine isn’t what we’re all after then we should all be on pink barefoot runner dot com everyday.
  • 13 1
 That's normal. The duration varies. And it's not like it's staying on for 5 seconds after you stop pedaling. It's fractions of a second.
  • 5 2
 Exactly, let's just cut to the chase, come on bike industry, less cranks more throttle..........incoming...three....two...one
  • 7 0
 @onemanarmy: according to "rob rides emtb" it'll give 2 meters of travel before cutting out from one quick crank movement, he showed continuous quick crank pushes, not rotations, allowed riders to coast under power for quite a while going uphill. 1 to 1.5 seconds of non pedal assist he reckons.
  • 3 0
 @p0rtal00: That's what I figured was going on here, using crank movement as a "momentary-on" switch. Brilliant. The rules will address this soon enough--either have the button be on the handlebar and you are allowed x number of pushes for x amount of time, or just a no overrun rule altogether.
  • 5 2
 @p0rtal00: Kind of laughable.

I'll likely grab an e-trials moto or an e-motocross bike at some point (because that's genuinely an awesome upgrade from motocross bikes that require constant top-end motor maintenance), while I keep my mountain bike a mountain bike.
  • 2 2
 @Smokey79: They've already started to shorten them because of bla bla bla....
www.pinkbike.com/news/hope-say-their-super-short-155-mm-cranks-are-the-sweet-spot.html


The fact they still call them "bicycles" and you need to spin the cranks to let the motor run is just for regulations/insurance matter.
  • 68 28
 So I'll admit that I'm your average ebike hater, but I think we can all agree that this is the ugliest ebike to date. I'm thinking that in about 5 years we'll look back at the ebikes from today and they'll appear absolutely monstrous compared with what's to come. These hulking, pregnant things are such dinosaurs compared to where the technology will go and I want nothing to do with them. I want my bike to look cool (not hard) as well as ride great.
  • 23 4
 They're a Whyte for sore eyes
  • 20 1
 It reminds me of a Beluga whale.
  • 14 1
 How do you feel about the Pole Voima? I feel it’s so ugly I kinda like it. It’s a bike only a mother could love.
  • 9 1
 TBH no Whyte's are good looking. It's that weird bulge in the top tube. would look better if that was straight
  • 11 6
 Whites are generally unattractive
  • 6 5
 I thought we was supposed to be getting some feature where we could filter out ebike articles? Just seems like 1 out 4 articles these days are about ebikes
  • 17 0
 Uh, Pivot Shuttle would like a word.
  • 1 0
 @93EXCivic: albino orca that swam through an oil spill for me
  • 2 3
 " I'm thinking that in about 5 years we'll look back at the ebikes from today and they'll appear absolutely monstrous compared with what's to come."

Gee, ya think?
  • 2 3
 Yea, the mullet thing is hard on the eyes.
  • 4 4
 just wait till ya see the ibis...
  • 5 1
 As a race bike I couldn't care less what my bike looks like...
  • 5 1
 @Mntneer: check your spelling on that one... just sayin'
  • 4 2
 Wait until you see the new Ibis... reminiscent of the Polygon Xquare-one...
  • 6 1
 First off... no way. There's way worse e-bikes than that out there. Second... who cares. That thing sounds like nothing but smiles.
  • 3 0
 @Frontrange :
It's the same with my wife.
She's ugly and I turn off the light !!

A pretty thing makes you want to use it.
  • 1 0
 @Mntneer: I see what you did there...you racist you!
  • 2 1
 @93EXCivic: Pivot Shuttle and Intense Phaser are the leaders in whale mimicking
  • 1 1
 @enduroelite: whoooshh
  • 25 2
 My gen 3 levo is in the shop right now getting a new motor after developing intermittent overrun. It's super dangerous and the fact that they included it as a feature is mindboggling. Damn good way to run off a ledge or something. Also, the instant power is sure to destroy already fragile drivetrains. I like ebikes just fine, but this is not the way IMO.
  • 15 5
 As soon the human race realizes that having computers control our life's is a bad thing, will be a good day !
  • 5 1
 Pro racer's needs are different than the normal user's. I can see how this motor would give an edge to someone on the EWS-E course where seconds count, but not a feature I would want.
  • 3 1
 100% agree. Overrun is not a "feature" it's a liability.
  • 5 0
 thats not over run its a siezed sprag bearing, not quite the same thing.
  • 3 0
 @Aeyogi: Not to mention that since this is meant for racers who get new drivetrains and motors whenever they need them! The difference between this and the regular Bosch is that they overclocked the motor so it will burn out after 500 miles.
  • 3 2
 your lbs sucks, a good shop should always have a levo motor im stock and be able to swap one in a day
  • 3 1
 @Sethimus: Can you imagine the overhead for the lbs if they stocked one of everything for every bike they may possibly service? They have to pick and choose a bit.. And so why stock a levo motor rather than a wheelset or other normal componentry?
  • 2 1
 @emptybe-er: because so many go wrong, and it's one motor for most of the specialized turbo range?
  • 1 0
 @b45her: yep, one if the most common spesh motor failures, behind dodgy torque sensor and water ingress. likely the worst sealed ebike motor on the market. which, I am almost certain is what makes the sprag go out.
  • 1 0
 @conoat: I knew Gen1/2 Levos had the issue, but I haven't seen any reports of it happening on the Gen 3. They are taking care of me though, and estimated the repair to take 1 -2 weeks at most. Not a big deal for me personally as I have other bikes to ride. It would suck though if it was my only bike.
  • 1 0
 intermittent overrun would absolutely be dangerous, if it was consistent you would learn to use it just like you learn your freehub engagement
  • 1 0
 @Sethimus: In NZ Specalized will only supply parts and accerories to the specalized dealer network, they do not supply to the average LBS...... no Specalized dealer near you (or there is but it sucks) that's just too bad.
  • 1 0
 @mudcycles: don’t buy a specialized ebike then there
  • 3 1
 @inked-up-metalhead: I’d expect to wait a few days for a motor, but derailleurs, tires, brakes/ pads, saddles, etc. They can’t stock everything. Besides, that’s just not how warranty works (bike shops or anywhere). It’s funny how people expect bike shops to stock everything and then buy as much shit as possible online to save 10%.
  • 1 0
 @emptybe-er: funny, i work in such a bike shop…
  • 1 1
 @emptybe-er: well the 3 shops I use all have stuff like that on the shelf, along with ebike spares (for the two that sell them). I know people who have walked in with a motor fault and walked out with a new motor fitted a few hours later. So maybe the quality of the shop is the bigger question.

Im not gonna lie, I have 3 of the biggest UK bike shops within driving distance (merlin cycles, winstanleys and leisure lakes, plus leisure lakes main warehouse is literally the next town over to me, delivery from them is same day if I ring them and they have it at the warehouse instead of in store) which is clearly a big big big advantage, and I know not everyone is that lucky, but to some degree, I don't understand buying from a shop that doesn't offer the back up. My missus had to take her levo battery in on the recall, it had a red light on it too, they couldn't diagnose it in store, so they sent it specialized who also couldn't diagnose it, new battery sent out. 4 days later it had arrived but they couldn't find it, so they pulled one out of stock and gave it her. That's a £700 battery, in stock. No excuse to not have all drive train parts, brakes, maybe a couple of wheel sets, a few dozen sets of tyres, etc. Maybe I'm spoiled because I've got such good lbs', but still, it seems like your saying bike shops are just portals for ordering from distributors?
  • 2 1
 @inked-up-metalhead: think about it like this: say a bike shop carries 3 brands of Ebikes. between those three brands, there's 2-3 different motors and battery configs for each one. Now, there's likely at least 2 generation of each, possibly 3. so to stock a back up of each possibilty, you're talking about 27 different motors and batteries at the high end, and 12-14 at the low end. given the cost of each, you're talking about $15-25,000 in inventory.

there is just no way, anyone outside of a Spesh or Trek concept store(inventory cost isn't carried by the LBS, but by spesh and trek), is doing anything remotely close. It's like asking your local ford dealer to have a back up engine and transmission for every car and truck they sell, in a crate in the back. LOL
  • 1 2
 @conoat: I read the first sentence and ignored the rest, because I don't need to think about anything, I know, 100% that one of my local bike shops had shimano stuff on the shelf. Usually only a couple of each display/shifter/etc, and one of each motor/battery, but they do have it. So it does happen. Maybe you just need a better bike shop, or buy an ebike from one that actually offers the back up, I don't know, don't care, but I can get a new motor fitted pretty much same day so I'm happy.
  • 3 1
 @inked-up-metalhead: "I read the first sentence and ignored the rest, because I don't think about anything"


I am glad you are this self aware.
  • 1 1
 @conoat: aye, I'm aware I know things. Like the fact my lbs has shimano e8000 and ep8 motors on the shelf.
  • 2 0
 @Sethimus: Funny, I owned one
  • 2 0
 @inked-up-metalhead: It’s not about quality of the shop, it’s about how much overhead they can afford. Big bike shops are usually not better as far as (knowledgeable) service goes.
  • 2 0
 @emptybe-er: Same, keeping a motor in stock is easier said than done.... We had 2 sitting on backorder forever to keep in stock.
Shimano NZ wouldn't supply them.
The average wait time on an accepted warranty from shimano NZ was 6 months.... some pushed out to 7 months before Shimano would send a replacement.
At the same time as they didn't have enough for warranty stock, they wouldn't supply shops to just keep in stock which is what we were trying to do (hence the motors on back order that will never be delivered).
Specalized for all it's myriad of motor faults would get you a new motor in days.
Bosch inside a week.
Shimano....... 6 months on average was my experience as a shop owner.
  • 1 1
 @emptybe-er: emphasis on owned…
  • 1 0
 @Sethimus: Yes, past tense. And you’re currently a shop employee.. yet offering financial tips for some reason?
  • 18 2
 Not sure if this is an unpopular opinion, but I think motors designed to help riders even more defeat the purpose of racing, which is generally a measure of skill and endurance, especially without strict guidelines on motor performance. I know motor power isn't incredibly crucial for enduro, but that aggressive overrun is definitely an advantage that anyone using this motor holds.

Also, what if your e-riding buddies don't want to pay a premium for racing-level motor features? You'll leave them in the dust, and soon enough you won't have e-riding buddies anymore.
  • 16 0
 You can scale that all the way back to “any motors that help the rider” defeat the purpose of racing.
  • 18 3
 Racing e-bikes is dumb. They're great for having a blast with buddies, honing your skills, getting more laps without a shuttle / lift, trail building , towing your kids up big hills, recovery rides etc etc.
Racing them or even chasing Strava segments just seems pointless.
  • 7 4
 @Dustfarter: racing is dumb.
  • 2 2
 Meh. Several of my buddies ride with uncorked bikes. The only time it's an issues is on extended flat pedaling sections. The rest of the time they drop me just because they're better than I am.
  • 10 0
 @Dustfarter: Anyone chasing strava segments on an e-bike is a dick.

As for the racing... racing is awesome. Period. Lawnmowers, exotic cars, Miatas, electric cars, electric bikes. As long as the rules create a skill based balanced... go for it.
  • 1 0
 @jamesbrant: racing is quite amazing when it's a team thing, and when there's a proper challenge vs nature.

On the other hand, racing that promotes self-centered glory, where the challenge is beating other people or battling over something scarce (e.g. prize money, points, etc.), is quite a turn-off to me.
  • 2 1
 Ines Thoma recently raced an Moped-EWS and she also said that the brand of the motor is a very/too important factor there.


www.instagram.com/p/Cij7DA_jMKG
  • 1 0
 @jamesbrant: found the red lantern!
  • 14 0
 So "race only" continues to be a totally meaningless phrase, as ever.
  • 11 0
 Yesterday's article, we got an exclusive first look at this pro issue only bike component.
Today's article: nah! you can buy one.
  • 4 0
 Race only means mostly “pros” will have it cause they’re sponsored, but you could too if you’re willing to pay for it. And they produce fewer units of said item, intentionally creating supply issues and making them more sought after… so person with the funds for it can feel extra special while they mid-pack it on their local Strava segments.
  • 2 0
 @nateb: that's exactly it
  • 3 0
 Intense FRO
  • 9 1
 When I see that uphill pic all I can picture is a bunch of ebike dorks popping in the latest ebike DVD and it being a bunch of 10 second scenes of uphill riding spliced together with a punk music soundtrack. The Crusty Demons of Dirt/Momentum for the ebike crew.
  • 13 3
 Motorcycle.
  • 5 0
 Some Dentists will have a very merry Christmas if Whyte can deliver on time
  • 18 0
 They’re dreaming of a Whyte Christmas
  • 3 1
 this new Bosch 'race' motor sounds kinda dumb with it still providing power, after you stop pedalling. thin edge of the wedge towards just making it into a throttle, and no pedalling needed at all if you don't want (not what I want to see).
  • 3 1
 what i dont understand is how no one has jailbroken the bosch system? thats what we really need, all of these performance cx motors can put out more power. i would love to have the full power of the motor for some rides that i shuttle up pavement 4 or 5 times and i have a second battery so i dont need to conserve at all. is the system locked that tight? they can jailbreak all these phones which i imagine have more advanced anti tampering measures
  • 1 0
 “The RockShox suspension is custom tuned in-house”
What does that even mean. Should we read this as they picked a standard tune from the catalogue, I would expect some more fact based journalism from a pinkbike author and not a copy paste from the folder
  • 5 0
 all I can hear is the baby beluga song when I look at that thing.
  • 5 0
 Bosch are well known for their Whyte goods. Bye..
  • 5 1
 Ok but it's missing the kickstand, I've never seen anyone ride an e-bike without one.
  • 7 7
 This bike looks awesome, I be passin' them on the climbs and they be hatin' I be bangin' out more runs a day and they be hatin' buy the time they get back to their cars, they're ready do sleep. but I got their girl and I'm balls deep, that why they hatin' Thank the haters, because we wouldn't have disc brakes, suspension, or AC electricity in our home if it wasn't for them hatin'
  • 5 1
 the best part of ebikes is how butthurt the haters get
  • 2 0
 Sorry, just another Ugly bulky ebike...I suggest companies take notice and a close look at Treks fuel exe...pretty sure that is the future without a doubt..
  • 1 0
 too bad they just annouced a price hike on all their bikes to their dealer that goes live on the 8th of october, and we dont have any landing before that Frown
  • 2 2
 OMG listening to all you whiners, just please STFU. Most of you winners probably have never ridden a emtb, if you did you would never go back to the dark side of a pedal bike with no motor. For all you non-believers you get a much more intense cardio workout on an ebike than your regular pedal pusher, as you can push harder, faster, longer. In fact the higher the level of assistance the higher your carido workout. I ride with a HR band I know this for a fact. So ask yourself, if you get a better workout, ride further, have more fun, not to mention the extra weight of emtb is so much more stable when jumping, why would you go back to a pedal pusher. The bottom line why all of you whiners are whining, is the price, you don't have the coin to purchase one. I started this craze here in Idaho, all of my buddies whom I ride with are in their late 30's they too all thought I was a pussy buying my 1st Trek Powerfly 9.9 years ago, now everyone I know have sold their pedal bikes and purchased emtb, they all say they will never go back to pedal pushers. So too all you nah sayer's who never rode one and don't have the coin shut the heck up, if you rode one you would be blown away................ I just had to set this set of posts straight... It's always the folks you don't know who want to appear knowledgeable. As far as looks, I think they are sexy, remember fat girls need love too..haha
  • 4 1
 Looks like a motorcycle to me…
  • 2 0
 Motos are way better and sometimes cheaper.
  • 1 0
 Can it Everest? That’s the real deal. I’m happy to buy 3 batteries and swap but I’m tired of blowing up motors. ‍♂️ Looks good imo
  • 2 0
 Didn’t the last article say it was ‘exclusive’ and within a day you can buy it for under £10k. S
  • 3 0
 Good read,now i have something to discuss with my dentist next visit.
  • 1 0
 The Pearly Whyte.
  • 2 0
 Friggin motorcycles, get them off the mountain bike trails and on the moto trails where they belong.
  • 1 0
 I´d say half a degree change on head tube should cause some change to seat tube angle as well
  • 2 0
 To anyone where Whyte's are sold
  • 2 0
 The Town of FAIRFAX in MARIN COUNTY CALIFORNIA, and 300 feet away from the MTB Hall of FAME.
  • 1 0
 i think going downhill, you'll quickly outpace the motor's top speed anyway
  • 10 0
 @twonsarelli ...You haven't seen me ride downhill. Thanks for the confidence boost anyway.
  • 1 0
 It's passive at that point. And on long pedally sections you'll most definitely hit the wall. Just like on any other e-bike that obeys the laws of speed governors. LOL!
  • 2 0
 muddy waters just got musty.
  • 1 0
 ultimate Super E-Enduro race bike with ketchup and mayo, hold the acid please.
  • 2 0
 get it now while the british pound is low
  • 2 1
 guys, there are much better websites than Pinkbike if you want to read about motorbikes.....
  • 1 0
 Sounds good, looks like they got someone from BMW or Audi to design it though.
  • 1 0
 "the ultimate Super E-Enduro race bike" jesus f*cking christ... I guess it goes perfectly with the tilted photo lol
  • 2 1
 This bike looks absolutely horrendous
  • 1 0
 Weight - TBC = Total Bloody Carload
  • 1 1
 I’d sooner carry the batteries in a backpack than ride around with a down-tube looking like that. Barf.
  • 2 1
 Who in their Whyte mind is going to spend £10k on this…?
  • 1 0
 Did this break the under 55lb weight?
  • 2 0
 someone call Rich Energy
  • 2 0
 Don't call me Whyte
  • 1 0
 Four year frame warranty, lifetime warranty on bearings.... Sweet deal!
  • 1 2
 NEWS FLASH ! All whytes are fugly with gash colours. Plus Pole Voima would piss all over this bso.
  • 1 1
 Have you heard about the new Whyte ebike? You wind it up, and it stinks.
  • 1 1
 this is definitely one of the ugliest ebikes to date....
  • 7 10
 For those that don't know the original model name was "PRIVILEGE"...
  • 3 4
 Lame….
  • 3 0
 Funny....
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