First Ride: 2016 RockShox Lyrik

Jul 27, 2015
by Mike Kazimer  




Since its release two years ago, the RockShox Pike has been become a benchmark in the all-mountain category, a fork that forced other manufacturers to sit up and take notice. But the longest travel Pike currently has 160mm of travel, a number that left riders interested in a 170 or 180mm single crown fork looking elsewhere. That void is what the new Lyrik is intended to fill, taking the proven technology found in the Pike and packaging it in a fork that's claimed to be stiffer and plusher, as well as offering up to 180mm of travel.

To find out more about the newest addition to RockShox's suspension lineup, we headed to Retallack Lodge, a remote mountain bike paradise located 1.5 hours north of Nelson, British Columbia. Surrounded by the Selkirk Mountains and with a growing network of trails, including a 6,000 foot descent that's accessed by helicopter, Retallack is becoming a well known destination for riders seeking something different than the norm, a departure from the hustle and bustle of a bike park.


Revamping the Lyrik

Development of the new Lyrik began even before the Pike was officially released, but RockShox took their time and watched the market to suss out the direction that the sport was taking before committing to beginning production. While bike parks used to be the sole domain of downhill and freeride bikes, there's been a shift over the past few seasons, and it's becoming increasingly common to see riders getting in the lift line with their all-mountain rigs. Rear travel numbers have gradually gone up as well, with more and more 165 or 170mm 27.5” bikes hitting the market, a shift that helped convince RockShox that the timing was right to unveil a longer travel single crown fork.


Details
• Intended use: enduro / gravity
• Travel: 27.5": 160, 170, 180mm, 29": 150, 160mm
• Charger damper with new SKF seals
• 35mm stanchions
• 15x100 or Boost 110 options
• Weight (27.5"): 2005 grams (4.42 lb)
• RCT3 Solo Air MSRP: $1030 USD


The Lyrik isn't a dramatic departure from the Pike - as the saying goes, 'if it ain't broke, don't fix it' – but there's more to it than just increased travel and a different sticker on the arch. The two main differences, the ones that should be noticeable out on the trail, are the increased chassis stiffness and the larger negative spring that's designed to improve small bump compliance.


Retallack
A burlier arch, thicker walled stanchions, and increased negative spring volume differentiate the new Lyrik from the Pike.

RockShox stuck with 35mm stanchions for the Lyrik, which means the Pike, Lyrik, and BoXXer all share the same external stanchion dimensions, but the walls of the Lyrik's 35mm stanchions are thicker than that of the Pike, and the arch has been beefed up as well, measures intended to increase the overall stiffness of the fork. The legs are tapered and asymmetrical (the left leg, where the air chamber resides, is longer), and are compatible with RockShox's Torque Caps, oversized end caps designed to increase the amount of contact between the hub and the fork legs, a concept similar to what Specialized introduced a number of years ago in order to add stiffness to quick-release equipped forks.

Standard 15mm end caps work with the design as well, although it does take an extra second or two to get the front wheel lined up during installation, since the top of the hub end cap doesn't reach the upper lip of the dropout. Currently, Torque Caps are a SRAM product, and it's not clear if any aftermarket hub manufacturers will be offering them as an option.

2016 RockShox Lyrik
The dropouts have enough room to accommodate RockShox's Torque Caps.
RockShox Lyrik
Torque Caps are oversized end caps designed to provide more contact between the hub and the dropouts.

When the news first broke about the new fork, there was a dull roar from riders wondering why there wasn't a 20mm thru-axle option. RockShox's reasoning was that they see 20mm axles as being reserved for downhill bikes, and didn't want to reintroduce the size for all-mountain bikes when there haven't been any issues with the current 15mm option. That may not make everyone happy, but realistically, at this point in time the vast majority of all-mountain and enduro bikes come specc'd with 15mm thru-axles, which means riders won't need to change their hub configuration if they purchase a Lyrik.

Internally, the Lyrik uses the same bladder-based Charger damper found in the Pike, but now uses SKF seals on the cartridge and for the fork's dust wipers. The rebound shim stack can now be adjusted as well, an option that was previously only available on the BoXXer. This allows lighter or heavier riders to alter the position of the shims to fine tune the range of adjustment to their liking. On the air chamber side, Bottomless Tokens can be added or removed to increase the amount of end stroke ramp up. The dimensions of the Tokens in the Lyrik are slightly smaller than those found in the Pike due to the fork's thicker stanchion walls, but in the near future all Tokens will be the same size to simplify things.
RockShox Lyrik
By changing the positioning of the shims seen on the right side of the photo, the fork's rebound damping can be custom tuned.

2016 RockShox Lyrik
The center of the Lyrik's arch is 5mm thicker than the Pike's in order to add additional stiffness.
2016 RockShox Lyrik
Bottomless Tokens allow riders to easily adjust how quickly the fork ramps up at the end of its travel.







Back to Back Testing

Quantifying the stiffness of a fork out on the trail can be difficult, especially when there are wide tires and 160mm of travel between you and the ground. In order to more clearly illustrate the difference between the Pike and the Lyrik, I spent my first morning at Retallack on a 160mm Pike RCT3, cranking out a total of four laps on two different trails in order to get a base line for comparison.

The Trails

Retallack's trails were purpose built for mountain biking by a dedicated crew of builders, and their dedication to perfection shows. If I was was to sketch out my dream trail network, it would look very similar to what the crew at Retallack have created. Berms, roots, rocks, jumps, tight turns, high speed straightaways – they're all there, perfectly placed for maximum enjoyment. They're not overly steep, but they pitch downward at just the right angle so that minimal pedaling is required, and going faster is simply a matter of letting off the brakes, turning off your brain, and hanging on for the ride.

Retallack. Photo Adrian Marcoux
With views like this, it's hard to keep your eyes on the trail.

Ride Impressions

After those first four laps, the Pike was swapped out for a 160mm Lyrik RCT3. Setting up the Lyrik is done in the same manner as the Pike – air it up to the recommended settings, adjust the rebound and low speed compression to your liking, then hit the trails. I ended up running 62 psi for my 155lb weight with two Bottomless Tokens installed, which is slightly more pressure than I usually run on a Pike.

I'd been skeptical about whether or not the Lyrik would actually feel any stiffer than the Pike, but as soon as I rolled through the first high speed corner my doubts disappeared. The difference was immediately noticeable – the front end felt more planted and locked into the turn, and was less likely to get deflected off course when plowing through the chunder. It's a feeling akin to switching to a carbon handlebar from an aluminum one – it's not a night and day difference, but it is significant. Of course, it is possible to have a fork that's too stiff, but RockShox seem to have achieved the right balance with the Lyrik, and I never felt any excessive feedback or harshness, even when picking the worst line through a rock garden, or pushing through a line of chunky roots. It's worth noting that some of this additional stiffness could be due to the Torque Caps, and further testing will be required to discern just how much of a difference the end caps actually make.

The Lyrik's more supple beginning stroke was apparent as well, which goes a long way to keeping the front wheel glued to the ground. The fork does seem to naturally settle slightly deeper into its travel than a Pike, but it never felt excessive, and there was still enough support to prevent it from diving. There were a number of short, steep sections that fell away into deep berms on the trail, features that had the fork using all of its travel, but there was no harshness when this happened, and the Lyrik felt composed the entire time. The fork was set up with two Bottomless Tokens, but it's a quick and easy affair to add more if additional bottom out resistance is needed.


bigquotesFor riders seeking something more robust than the Pike without reverting to a dual crown fork, the Lyrik fits the bill. It's plusher and stiffer, and imposes a minimal weight penalty for those benefits. The Pike will remain the do-it-all option in the RockShox lineup, but for those who constantly find themselves pushing the envelope, riding on the ragged edge between success and disaster, the Lyrik is going to be an appealing option.- Mike Kazimer



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www.rockshox.com, @SramMedia


286 Comments

  • + 312
 The new Lyric should just replace the Pike. Seeing as it is really just an improved pike. Plusher and stiffer for only 150g extra? Why would anyone buy a pike at that point....? Then make a new 26-27.5 fork with 37 or 38mm stanchions and a 20mm axle for the actual "park bike" crowd and call it the Totem
  • + 181
 @talderson, please get a job in RS marketing, I need that totem
  • + 27
 hell yeah.. nail on head there....
  • + 167
 Plusher and stiffer for exactly 150g more.... that's the Marzocchi 350 Except nobody except me bought and the company went bust.
  • + 1
 Most of the trails I ride dont need a 180 mm fork. That's one of the reasons someone would buy a pike over the lyrik.
  • + 25
 I've got a Totem on my tandem, I don't even know what I'm going to do when I need to replace it.
  • + 12
 @Narro2 You can get the Lyrik in 160 travel or 170 or 180.
  • + 119
 @ slashnasty Totem on your tandem, eh? Well I got a Pike on my trike.
  • + 22
 I ride a Totem on an old Demo 7 and my park bike...old, beaten and still rocks.
  • - 3
 I would agree if there was a 150mm version too!
  • + 3
 @Zachmozach the Pike is still two or three hundred dollars cheaper, and hundred and something grams lighter. Not sure if the Lyrik has travel adjust though, if it doesn't have it, it is a hindrance for the lyric for the uphills
  • + 8
 Imagine if there was a dirt jump fork with 40mm stanchions, yet light enough to compete with the current dirt jump forks.
  • + 4
 @yonibois and me!
  • + 72
 Make the stanchions 42.0mm call it the Tokem
  • + 9
 Shirley, there must be a new TOTEM coming for us cavemen that still winch and plunge
  • + 2
 I would imagine this fork doesn't pedal as well as the pike due to the plusher valving
  • + 31
 No 26"and no 20mm???..call me old fashioned but im still stuck on 2012.
life passes me by in the bike world.
  • + 1
 I open the post. didn't read and straight to the comment and I can predict it's much more stiffer, supple, more progressive, ramp up, ride high in position and what not.
  • + 6
 "When the news first broke about the new fork, there was a dull roar from riders wondering why there wasn't a 20mm thru-axle option. RockShox's reasoning was that they see 20mm axles as being reserved for downhill bikes, and didn't want to reintroduce the size for all-mountain bikes when there haven't been any issues with the current 15mm option. That may not make everyone happy, but realistically, at this point in time the vast majority of all-mountain and enduro bikes come specc'd with 15mm thru-axles, which means riders won't need to change their hub configuration if they purchase a Lyrik."

What about the guys who want a single crown on their DH bike ?

And when I look at the torque cap lowers, I'm thinking it's possible to drill it to 20 mm, put a threaded insert on one side and use a Totem axle. Anybody able to try and tell us ?
  • + 7
 @brutalpedz For them there is the x-fusion metric... 180mm, works with 26 and 650b, and 20mm TA. It's an awesome fork.
  • + 4
 TOTEM for life!!!
  • + 3
 Looks like a PIKE
  • + 9
 Marzocchi went bust because the old stuff was built so good no need for anyone to buy the new stuff. Still running 2002 Shivers.
  • - 3
 @ TBagTantalizer I have had 3 bombers all go POO! My Totem has never failed.
  • + 2
 @properp did you shoot an RPG at them man? my 09 bomber had never been rebuilt and it works just as well as any other fork I've ridden. But, just because I could I bought a mattoc haha
  • + 2
 Ha tokem lol
  • - 3
 Why do I get the feeling that most of the people that are talking about the 15mm axle being too small have never actually broken an axle?
  • + 5
 Gavelliot. Not sure man. You will have to figure out that one yourself.
  • + 5
 GavElliott, Axle size is more about stiffness than breaking the axle. Your wheel will probably crumple before you snap a 15mm axle.
  • + 1
 Thanks for the knowledge Smile !
  • + 101
 No 24in v-brake post option????? WTF
  • + 11
 You are the best person on Pinkbike.
  • + 5
 Honestly made my night. Well played sir.
  • + 8
 Hahaha, try looking for a fork for a 24" DJ build, you won't laugh as much.

Good thing it still rips with a 26" fork (dropped to 80mm.)

Just like 650b forks work great on 26" bikes, but don't tell anybody, they'll lose their justification for their righteous indignation.
  • + 99
 ill save my money and go to that trail... good god that looks amazing.
  • + 42
 I have a camper and beer. Anyone else want to go ride there?
  • - 23
flag aoneal (Jul 27, 2015 at 12:45) (Below Threshold)
 @ibishreddin I'm with you on the first half: "I'll save my money."

I'd also like to add: "Move along folks, nothing to see here."
  • + 2
 Unless you have a personal helicopter you might want to put some O2 tanks in that camper... That climb does not look fun!
  • + 9
 Ratallack Lodge My friends. Biggest mtb land tenure for riding in the world. 2.4 million acres I believe?
  • + 5
 I'm.going there next week! I hope someone leaves some Lyrics around for me.
  • + 91
 I'm sure the comments about this hardware will be as thoughtful, well reasoned, and insightful as the industry has come to expect from Pinkbike's core demographic.
  • + 41
 I'm making some popcorn right now
  • + 40
 First comment stating that there is no 26 option and that '26 ain't dead' in 3...2....1.....
  • + 135
 We need PinkBike Comment Bingo cards, with squares like:

[ ] WTF, no 26" option?
[ ] They just changed the standard to make more money.
[ ] There's no reason to replace my [Insert Component/Bike Here] with this trash.
[ ] Marzocchi lives!
[ ] What is this useless XC trash?

I'll bet we could bingo 5-comments into just about any thread.
  • + 30
 That's a really good idea! PinkBike hangout with cool prizes for hitting BINGO first! All prizes will be Boost 148 compatible only.
  • + 25
 you know whats worst than complainers, someone complaining about complainers.
  • + 59
 The WORST tho - complainers complaining about complaining about complainers.
  • + 7
 Don't forget the classic 15mm vs 20mm argument. That's one of my very favourites.
  • + 15
 Pinkbike comment thread drinking game.... Take a shot each time someone complains about 26" wheels. You might die.
  • + 13
 And what's the middle square - a Waki comment?
  • + 3
 I am sorry but you freaking ruined it... you should have teased people at least a bit. Like say "lateral stiffness is not that important, give us RS-180 upside down fork"
  • + 18
 Bingo!!
  • + 17
 Fest series are dumb, slow guys who never did well in DH, all balls and no skills
  • + 15
 Looks like a Session.
  • + 1
 How is it possible that the most sane thread in the comment trail ended up being this bitchy comment of mine? Is this Poe's law in action or something?
  • + 12
 That is the troll comment of the year Waki. Out of nowhere.
  • + 3
 @WAKIdesigns is the Randy Orton troll of pinkbike
  • + 76
 Torque caps on a 15mm axle wtf... just stick on proper 20mm axle and job done.. not another new standard...
  • - 12
flag Terrafire (Jul 27, 2015 at 11:49) (Below Threshold)
 Or, get this, the 15mm axle standard, with the stiffness of a 20mm and the weight benefit of a 15. 15mm axles weren't created just for fun. There is a definite benefit to the design, torque caps mitigate the cons.
  • + 25
 but the weight difference between 15mm and 20mm axles is hardly anything, and I can fit my 20mm axles in half the time it takes to fit my 15mm axle
  • + 22
 nope not as stiff as a 20mm, better than a 15mm but now have to buy sram hub and as for the negligible weight difference i'd say about the same now with the larger end caps.. the 15mm standard is fine for light trail riders but on a 180mm travel fork?
  • + 5
 so they're keeping the 20mm axle for downhill then, is that because they know its the strongest set up, or wont the pro's trust 15mm axles enough to switch to it
  • + 9
 If they changed to 15mm I would see a big fall in sales as well as stiffness... I like my wheel to point in the direction I turn the bars..
  • + 31
 Terrafire, the weight penalty of a larger axle diameter can be mitigated by using a thinner sidewall for the axle itself. This is why stanchions, bar clamps, and frame tubes have been getting larger over the years. Thinner wall, larger diameter tubes are usually stiffer. I am not convinced the 15mm axle standard was ever need at all.
  • + 1
 Yeah, but is SRAM going to be the only hubs with these end caps? Will we be able to retrofit big caps onto a dt swiss hub, or other brand hubs like we did with 142 x 12 and 15 x100? If not, I think I'll pass on the 140mm yari for my 29 and go with the new x-fusion Trace or possibly a 29" pike 140. I've got no time in my life for sloppy dropouts!!

My last bike was a 26" with a lyrik RC2L and I immediately missed the stiffness of the front end. I have last years 34mm trace and an OEM wheel that I'm not too impressed with. Maybe the next set of wheels will stiffen the front and rear end up enough to stick with the fork I have, but every component I've been upgrading has been to stiffen up the OEM noodle component it's replacing.
  • + 5
 the end caps look very simple if you know a local machinist to turn you up a set. I'm sure they will be available as a optional item for most big named hubs. They simply aren't needed, trying to fix the flexy 15mm when the 20mm wasn't broke in the first place.
  • + 48
 One pain in the ass thing about 15mm axle: you can't grab the front wheel off your DH bike if you want to run a beefier front tire for a particular ride that warrants it. Lift/shuttle/heli assisted AM rides that involves some gnarly descents with a bit of climbing where a DH bike won't do, but a DH tire would.

A fork with 180mm of travel would be exactly the kind of fork that would see some benefit to this. But no, we get torque caps instead.
  • + 9
 it reads exactley the same as the first ride on teh pike lol
  • + 6
 I'm still on a 9mm QR and it's not hurting me. Just because new things come along doesn't mean that old products functionality declines.
  • + 1
 The funny thing is the idea isn't even new... aftermarket companies sold oversized end caps for conventional hubs twenty years ago to improve the same thing (dropout contact) on suspension forks of the period. I still have a few pairs of them sitting in my tool boxes. Suspension hub makers that sprang up all used combinations of oversized axles and oversized end caps, in some cases the axles were up to 26mm in diameter...but still used with a quick release skewer.
  • + 12
 No it only means that you have no idea what a noodle you are currently on.
  • + 3
 my hanebrink bat fastard forks had 25mm axle back in the 90's.. now you know where nickname came from...
  • + 2
 Still on a 9mm haha does the job. Bikes are too easy to ride these days!
  • + 9
 It's got to point where when it comes to new parts all I see is incompatible numbers an it all becomes a blur an I have been drinking so fuck mtb
  • + 9
 Mike Levy I think wrote a piece a few months back about the ways in which the marketing departments are losing the trust of consumers, and I see another example of it here.

From the above:

"...riders won't need to change their hub configuration if they purchase a Lyrik"

Except that according to RS....

"Based on what we received from Rockshox, the only hubs currently compatible with Torque Cap forks is the XO (front) and the stock hub on the Roam 40 wheelset." BIKE Magazine

So, that suggests consumers won't need to change their hub configuration....only the hub?!
  • + 3
 @orientdave - A standard 15x100mm thru-axle hub will still work with a Torque Cap-compatible fork. The quote from Bike is referring to the options currently available to take advantage of the dropout shape.
  • + 2
 why didn't they just call it a PIKE+? basically a bigger version of one. They want you to say it's stiffer and they want you to believe it because it's one of 2 features that are different than a pike. the other being travel.
  • + 7
 @mikekazimer

Thanks for the clarification Mike.

I suspect that RS may even admit that consumers knowing such won't make them inclined to "trust" a hub / dropout interface that doesn't clearly 'click' into place; the average consumer has no other way of trusting products unless they 'look and feel right'.

I suggest too that it is in the industry's interests to browse the maestrom of TwInstaBook et al for reactions to their product launches since getting the message from the engineers at RS through to the consumer is tricky at the best of times, however it is increasingly even more so during these days of seemingly never ending changes to interfaces, sizes and compatibilities.

A crucial point from my personal perspective as a consumer of the products of the bike industry is this:

Regardless of the engineering / manufacturing benefits involved........if consumers end up confused about whether / why / how they may / may not need to change their set-up and whether / how / why it will bring worthwhile advantages, trust between the consumer and producer potentially suffers.

If leading journalists (yes, I am talking about the staff at PB who deserve being called so) feel the need to bring up such issues, it could be argued that it is a blind marketing department that takes no notice.
  • + 1
 Because anything named xyz+ will get them tarred and feathered in the forums perhaps?
  • + 7
 No one cares about forum banter. See 15mm, boost 148, 27.5plus for references
  • + 16
 @Terrafire Before 15mm disease RS said "we stuck with 20mm because we can make it as light as 15mm axle" So I still want my 20mm.
  • - 7
flag deeeight Plus (Jul 27, 2015 at 22:46) (Below Threshold)
 Except to do that, it cost more because they had to externally machine the thing, and also it lost stiffness in the process of making it as light as a 15mm. And the industry decided they'd rather an open source standard than a rockshox patented design that they had to pay a royalty to use.
  • + 3
 " Except to do that, it cost more because they had to externally machine the thing, and also it lost stiffness in the process of making it as light as a 15mm."

How much more does it cost and how much of stiffness they lose? I'm really very curious because from my long talks with engineers shows something rather different.
  • - 2
 With many motos running 25mm axles theres no way an MTB NEEDS more than a 15MM. Its fine, theres nothing to see here, more along and worry about some skills or eating more fruit both will be far more beneficial.
  • + 12
 So the interface between dropout/endcap is now huge. But the interface between endcap/bearing is still a tiny steel ring with a 15mm diameter. So they haven't so much solved the flex inherant in a 15mm design over the 20mm design, they have just moved it to the other side of the end caps. Great....
  • + 2
 There is a problem with a normal 15mm hub, the surface of the dropout is too large and it will be difficult to mount the hub as it will not be centered correctly. So if all the RS have this option it will be an issue for consumers who have standard 15mm hub.
  • + 8
 Very good point on the bearing face, it does move to point of flex inboard on both sides. Again a 20mm axle will be stronger at this point also. As for MX bikes with a 25mm axle, have you saw the clamping length on the dropouts, the axle itself is almost solid not some light weight flexy tube...
  • + 2
 This is the start if all RS forks needing a specific Sram hub ala RS1.......
  • + 3
 @bat-fastard you are quite right. The point I'm making is there are other design ways to achieve the desired result. For complete clarity I agree all else being equal 20mm may be better however it's not a disaster and I'm sure there are ways..
Besides RnD have to keep the Accountants and sales charts rolling with something..
  • + 3
 RS Maxle loses certain stiffness not through decrease of the axle diameter from 20 to 15 but through clamping type. his predictive steering cap is an attempt to fix it or rather, marketing driven: hey Lyrik is stiffer than Pike, this way. Fox 36 and Bos DeVille have THE best clamping system among all current forks on the market. The thing is though that lateral stiffness is overrated, even Mike wrote about being tossed around rough bits. Fox 40 had to lose stiffness and still is consider by many to be too stiff.
  • + 4
 Lateral stiffness overrated? It also affects the compression on big hits, remember there is only one spring in one side of fork and a damper in the other. When you land heavy the wheel squirms without lateral stiffness as there are different forces in each leg.. Its not all just about steering and as the 180mm is aimed at the park guys like me thats why we not happy.
  • - 5
flag deeeight Plus (Jul 28, 2015 at 8:00) (Below Threshold)
 I'm sure Fox aimed the 831 at park guys too and that's always sold well with only a 15mm axle.
  • + 4
 dont think they 'sold well' at all when they changed them to 15mm I'm on argyles for my dj bike, 1 1/8 and 20mm axle... and rest I know are also on them or marzocchi DJ's
  • + 3
 Current 831's gone up to 36 with convertible axle
  • + 3
 I rest my case the 831 15mm didn't sell, its now gone to 20mm axle and 1 1/8th steerer option for 2016....
but almost £900 for a dj fork...
  • + 6
 @bat-fastard - lateral stiffness in a mtb fork is some kind of conceptual approach since fork will rather twist than bend laterally and even if it would, it will not deflect as much as in fore-aft plane since side loads are smaller than hits coming from forward direction. Also a standard MTB fork has a brace in form of lower arch which successfully cuts the bending length and max deflection in lateral direction. Your shiver is not plush due to lower unsprung mass, which in fact is higher than in case of the first 888RC. It feels plush and planted because front wheel is allowed to twist more, then sliders of usd fork are close to the axle thus they will bend less than sliders of a std fork during impact, and finally, Shiver does not rely on 2 sets of bushings in the stanchions, it has one bushing in the stanchion over dust seal and another atthe end of the slider so bushing spacing increases while fork goes through it's travel. Fox 40 is made so stiff only because of bending stanchions so that they don't lock up under a heavy g-out or landing. Boxxers went to 35 because their lowers were exploding too often. Fox 36 is equally stiff for 15 and 20mm option, I assure you. It is stiffer than 32 and 34 platform and than Pike/Rev/Lyrik because it clamps the axle with pinch bolts
  • + 3
 I havent had shivers since 2003 lol.. I did find them very plush but when landing large jumps the lack of stiffness made them squirm too much for me. I changed them to 8" monsters back then. Far better for landing jumps. Have had 40's but didn't like them as too linear. Current fork is a 888evo3 with avalanche internals.. The 15mm axle is one of the reasons you see more cracked arches on big landings, the arch cant cope with the different forces on each leg and the flex in the axle.
I have saw a few triple clamp forks crack their arches in the park last year. So why would a park rider look for a 180mm fork with 15mm qr axle?
  • - 4
flag deeeight Plus (Jul 28, 2015 at 9:40) (Below Threshold)
 Yeah its totally the axle and not possibly that marzocchi quality control and design sucked instead and produced forks with lowers that didn't use enough material in the arch area.
  • + 3
 In rational terms, the question is why would park rider look for a fork with any sort of QR thru axle which will move inside the clamping surface which in fact does not exist since it is a mere collar on one side and thread on another. If anything latest Lyrik has stiffer wheel/fork interface than the old one with Maxle Lite due to that predictive bit as old Lyrik had no clamping with that 20mm axle either. Older Lyrik may be overally stiffer due to larger crown.

Why would a park rider care if his 180 fork has 20mm axle instead of 15mm? - for the similar reason XC enthusiast choses a 29er HT with semi-slicks and with narrow bars - lack of understanding, which is fine,sometimes I wish I knew less and rode more
  • + 3
 @deeeight my marzocchis are for the park for their 5th season, mind you i did snap the ti spring one year...
I didn't crack my arch if you read it again, but have saw others cracked. A mate done his Bos triples in our group, not to mention a few single crown ones you see along the way. Nothing to do with make and infact the marzocchis are the least seen broken. how much is sram paying you by the way?
  • - 3
 SRAM isn't paying me anything, but I have this strange urge to correct myths with logic and facts.
  • + 3
 not doing too well then :p
Well as a park rider who most of the 180mm market will be -
fact it doesn't have a 20mm axle and its only a screw in at that rules it off my list as others have this added strength.
  • + 3
 @bat-fastard - Marzocchi 350 has non-clamped 15mm thru axle, so did all 55s. In fact their first axles were terrible. The last stiff wheel interface in single crown Marzocchi fork took place in 2007, in Z1 and 66. Your Marzocchi is no way any stiffer than this Pike. It's only in your head and it's fine as long as you realize it. Having said that, I think that purely for marketing reasons, this Pike should have got 20mm axle, at least as aftermarket fork. But it's marketing, nothing to do with real life engineering. Accountats decided OEM ftw!
  • + 0
 I dont have a 350.. at any point did I say I had? i've 888evo's and argyles...
  • + 3
 Basically having a whole bunch of components, frames and wheels that all fit each other like meccano, so you can swap and change etc... Is not good for business. Call me cynical, whatever, but right now, in the present paradigm... it makes good business sense for the design department to make sure hardly anything fits together anymore and the marketing department to make sure you feel okay about this. Always remember, when buying things, you're feeding someone's kids or paying for their holiday. YOU are not their prime objective. The fifteen mill axle, on anything other than xc bikes.. Has always felt like being sold incompatibility, not much else. Once.... All my front wheels went in all my bikes... Imagine that??!

Incompatible parts and hubs etc is one of the bad parts of being involved in bikes. Maybe the only bad part actually.
  • + 43
 'at this point in time the vast majority of all-mountain and enduro bikes come specc'd with 15mm thru-axles' Wait a sec, all the of the lyrik's direct competitors are available in 20mm axles, Fox 36, Bos Deville, X-Fusion Vengeance, they can hardly blame the rest of the market for not using a 20mm axle...
  • + 2
 that is an excellent point I had not considered.

in fact, this could be using the same lowers as boxxer with a different decal kit, reducing their production costs, so seriously, is segmenting the market(20mm is ONLY for DH wheels) that important to these guys?
  • - 1
 SR Suntour Duro (140, 160, 180) is a 15mm, so is the X-Fusion Slant (160).
  • + 40
 I always wonder how it's possible that every year, forks (especially Rock Shox's) get more supple, planted, stiff, composed, balanced, blablabla…
  • + 4
 Yeah, they don't. They're pretty damn good, regardless
  • + 19
 1) make a shitty fork
2) make a less shitty fork
3) make an average fork
4) make a little more than average fork
5)...
  • + 22
 It's the "even closer shave" or "even cleaner teeth" approach. Eventially the skin on the lower half of our face will fall off, we will be scrubbing our gums, and our forks will have 'I can't believe it's not butter' stanchions.
  • + 20
 5. . . . Up the price each time.
  • + 3
 You're 100% correct @faul

Step one was 1995.

This year is step 20.
  • - 7
flag gapos999 (Jul 28, 2015 at 0:44) (Below Threshold)
 I currently own the following forks:
SC Domain RC with a tuned MoCo Catrige 170mm
Boxxer RC with a tuned MoCo Catrige 200mm
Pike 29 160mm
I'll be honest here saying that I enjoy the first 2 forks better....
  • + 2
 I have owned a 2010 Boxxer Race with a MoCo cart, a 2015 Boxxer RC with a MoCo cart and now own a 2015 Pike RCT3. The Pike blows the other two out of the water.
  • + 37
 I remember when 15QR was Shimano's crazy brainchild. Every other component manufacturer was like "Oh man, no way we're going to ditch 20x110 for this skinny 15x100 bullshit." And then they did. And now we're sad.
  • + 4
 If it had stayed where it made sense, as a way to finally get XC weight weenies to get off of ancient skewer tech, I'd be fine with it.
  • - 2
 Seraph, you're going to really sh-t a brick when the Boost 110 product reviews start coming out.
  • + 8
 I find that very hard to believe, seeing how awesome 20x110 was and how no one should have ever gone away from it.
  • + 32
 Technology similar to the Specialized hubs of the last century? I could follow the argument if RS had said 15 is enough, but this thing with the end caps is admitting it's not as stiff as we wanted it, so we'll kluge something completely different together to try and make it work. In a time where handlebars are going from 31.8mm to 35, and crank axles from 24mm to 30, fork axles are shrinking from 20 to 15. WTF?
  • + 25
 I'm waiting for 17.5mm axles.
  • + 20
 To then be followed by 17.5+...
  • + 3
 Yeah, let's replace the material we took from the axle and put it elsewhere to make it stiffer again…
  • + 30
 I'll stick with Marzocchi till I die thanks cheers
  • + 160
 Good call. Nothing could possibly go wrong with that plan.
  • + 16
 you might want to put the words marzocchi, closing and down on the same google bar. you know just for shits and giggles.
  • + 29
 What if he's already on his death bed?
No such a bad plan then.
  • + 5
 @fercho25 and @abzillah: thanks for that banter, very funny. Good Monday morning laugh!!
  • + 3
 Maybe he's taken up Crossfit, and riding is on the out?
  • + 8
 I'll stick with Marzocchi 'til they die, thanks cheers!
  • + 2
 I second that motion. I got a set of 350s recently and they are insanely good. People just never realise what they are missing.
  • + 3
 Just like 26.......... Ain't gonna happen
  • + 19
 For those of you complaining about the price/axle size. Just go buy an x fusion vengeance rc. Super stiff, smooth, reliable and half the price of a lyrik these days.
  • + 6
 +1 to this. If Marzocchi does go under, then X-fusion will be the natural choice for riders who don't want to buy the same old Fox/RS shite.
  • + 14
 I think it would be awesome to have some of these stiffness claims tested by some bigger riders. I'm 225lbs and need all the stiffness I can get. I was surprised that RS decided to offer a new fork that's only marginally burlier than the Pike, but that's cool because that's exactly what I want. That being said I would love to hear some feedback from a hard-charging bigger guy who can really push the structural aspects of the fork.
  • + 2
 Yeah instead of a little 155 pound baby. Haha
  • + 1
 I have to agree. 155lb rider on a 160mm fork? WTF? This review is useless.
  • + 0
 145lbs rider here. Although I'm probably not pushing my forks to the flex limits, I do feel that my fox 36 160mm is a lot stiffer than my Boxxer so being light doesn't mean you can't feel it.
  • + 13
 I wish they would have tested this fork out with the 170 mm or 180mm travel option because most gravity riders are going to want the longer travel, especially in comparing stiffness.
  • + 11
 I would like to see a comparison between this and a fox 36, and throw in a marzocchi 55 as well, at least the last 2 are available in 26" and 20mm axle,
i just want to know if its worth upgrading my existing lyrik with the new charger damper or get a new fox or marzocchi fork in the sales
  • + 2
 i'd go with the fox in the sales if i was you
  • + 2
 All these forks are great. Both in action and reliability. But Fox loses it on price, in Europe Pikes are half price of 36, you do the math... HELLO FOX, are you hearing this? Two Pikes at the price of one 36

I ride 2011 36 RC2 and don't find it any worse than Pike.
  • + 2
 i'd say the fox are better though, not that the pikes are bad and they feel quite plush but the 36 is a better fork
  • + 7
 Don't forget the X-fusion Metrik, damn fine piece of equipment with the HLR damper...
  • + 7
 xfusion.... the most underrated suspension company of all time
  • + 10
 Awesome to see the Lyric updated and back in the mix as a proper free ride contender. Loved my old lyric so I can only imagine how much better this one will feel with the charger damper. But to be honest I am more curious about the Yari. Its the fork that a lot more riders are going to be looking at due to its awesome price point. I'm really interested to see how the retuned motion control damper feels. I find that the motion control damper found in forks like the revelation for 2014 were not very good at all... Hopefully RS through some black magic at it and got it properly performing.
  • + 2
 yep thats what im hoping for to
  • + 21
 I was wondering if the Lyrik is compatible with Boxxer 27,5'' lowers just to get the 20mm axle instead of using the 15mm axle.
  • + 0
 Threw*
  • + 2
 No dice. They made sure of it w the asym setup.
  • + 1
 @fantaman...whoa, I wonder?
  • + 1
 Asym legs can be overcome with a custom shim on the spring side, a mod common on the old Lyrik to squeeze out an extra 10 mm travel. If i wanted to make lowers uncompatable I would do it with leg spacing, just as they did with the pike.
  • + 2
 lyrik*
  • + 14
 The Pike will be singing sad lyriks under a totem pole after this.
  • + 1
 this was a good comment
  • + 11
 Biggest lie about wanting to simplify things so everything is 15mm. It's obvious they just want you to buy the hub. Fuck you. What i don't understand is just have the removable bits like the New 36. Solved.
  • + 11
 BRING THE TOTEM BACK !!! In 26 f***** inches !

Please
  • - 1
 Bluto.
  • + 8
 What will it take to convert this to 26" and 20mm? first step, take off my old fork, next step, purchase sticker kit off ebay that says lyrik, last step: reinstall old fork. How does rockshox make any money off that?
  • + 6
 I believe the new internals will fit into last years model Lyrik which happens to be both 20mm and 26". Smile
  • + 10
 buy an avalanche cartridge
  • + 9
 I think pink bike needs to have a vote on 26" fork so we can show the bike companies that a lot of people still ride 26" Wheeled bike's !!!! 26" for life!!!
  • + 7
 "That may not make everyone happy, but realistically, at this point in time the vast majority of all-mountain and enduro bikes come specc'd with 15mm thru-axles, which means riders won't need to change their hub configuration if they purchase a Lyrik."

Let's eat shit - millions of flies can't be wrong!
  • + 10
 rockshox had the chance.... and missed it

totem, black, 160mm

www.pinkbike.com/photo/10964308
  • + 3
 nice fork there, be even better in 180mm
  • + 1
 looks like he has uturn...so 180mm is a turn of a knob away.
  • + 6
 Seems like a good fork, but no 26" option. I know, I know. Beating a dead horse. But if this fork is really intended for 'freeride' also, should a 26" 180mm:170mm version be available?
I guess for now, I'll stick with my Vengeance and stay 26forlife.
  • + 3
 I'd quite happily keep the vengeance any day!
  • + 7
 Anyone know if the external diameter of the torque cap is the same as a 20mm hub, if yes, i'm gonna be rich by making alu sleeve to convert 20mm hub into 15x110 torque cap hub
  • + 1
 winner winner chicken dinner... Thats a perfect plan...
  • + 6
 I was looking forward to the new lyrik... and then . 15mm only with this torque cap crap? wtf? ...will have to ride my old lyrik till it dies and then look for something else...
  • + 2
 once it dies, buy a charger damper. thats the only thing they did right with the new lyrik.
  • + 5
 What gets me is that RS say they've watche the market... If thats so, they'd have realised FOX hit the nail on the head with the new 36. Adjustable [internal albeit] travel, 20mm AND 15mm axles, a choice of steerers, etc. Which allows one to be future-proof to a point when upgrading their bikes.
RS have just taken away our freedom to choose and stipulate their tech as choice. Its propoganda at its best and its so sad...
The grapevine has said that Suntours new 2016 will be similar to FOX, 20mm axle, adjustable travel, better, more user friendly compression/rbound. Its motive enough to sit back and wait.
RS have clearly not done their market research.
Would a SC Boxxer really not hit the mark? 180mm travel, 20mm axle, 36mm stantions, charger etc etc?

Now that sounds sexy - f*ck
  • + 4
 Any big wheel (27.5in or 29in), big travel (160-180mm) Enduro or Park bike needs a 20mm pinched axle due to the leverage from a big wheel. 36 Float RC2 or BOS Deville with 20mm pinch-axle is the way to go!!! The Lyrik "torque caps" seems like a weak Band-Aid when the axle is still not clamped and free-spinning.
  • + 3
 Oh man, the Marketing and sales People took over everything. Don't get me wrong, but i think 180mm 35mm combination works only with dwarfs. what' with the riders like me 1,97m with 90kg weight hitting things hard?
I will Keep my Money running my good old totem, let it serviced every year by a really good man (flatoutsuspension), and work on my endurance to crank that thing up the hill. Going down with those spaghetti like forks couldn't beat the real 180mm fork.
I hope my totem still survives a couple of years (maybe the whole trend is going in the other direction at that time ;-)
  • + 1
 Same here. While I am not a big guy by any means I would much rather see 40mm tubes with 180mm travel than on a fork slightly bigger than the old 32mm standard. Funny how 180mm single crowns seem to be coming back...Maybe 180mm is the new 160mm???
  • + 4
 Just got back from freeriding with my Totem with AVALANCHE damper. Best fork and damper I've ever ridden . Really wish they would bring it backFrown ( Or at least make the charger damper available for the totem...
  • + 3
 I don't want a charger damper but it would be nice for the other people with totems too.
  • + 1
 Blader dampers should be pressurized like marzocchi did with the tst cartridge ten years ago. Better get an open bath cartridge like the Avalanche one than a unpressurized blader damper where cavitation could happen and air get trapped in. MRP has an interresting system with an open bath cartridge enclosed in a sealed stanchion with no air inside and an independent blader for oil displacement.
  • + 2
 From what I have been hearing the Charger damper is pretty good and It would be a nice upgrade for the stock Totem. I absolutely love my avalanche damper but if I hadn't been able to score such a great deal on it, I would have been content on the charger damper had it been available.
  • + 1
 It is good but not that good! Stick with the avy cartridge, lightweight "pencil like" dampers are not reliable.
  • + 5
 RS is giving a sizeable consumer segment (those who want a good 170mm, 20mm axle, 26' fork like me) no option other than look elsewhere for what they need.
  • + 7
 They tuk r jerrrrrbbbs!!!
  • - 1
 dey tuk our dawgs!!
  • + 7
 now we just need a 180mm freeride frame to match it!!
  • + 7
 Banshee Darkside has been available since last year..
  • + 2
 Yeah, sounds familiar... Reminds me of the raving when the fox CTD first came out.
Plus, why wasnt it tested in 180mm? It is quite possible it would feel more flexible then the pike, there's leverge.

Bottom line is
I DONT BELIEVE YOU
  • + 2
 A significant, but not night and day, difference in stiffness makes me wonder if there will be any difference in stiffness when the Lyrik is run at 180mm as opposed to the 160mm tested. That extra 20mm overlap and the resulting ATC drop should make a noticeable difference in and of itself.

Edit: Wait a minute...does the Lyrik use different air shaft lengths to change travel like the Pike does? If it does only the ATC comment will apply.
  • + 1
 Definitely, I was referring to different air shaft lengths for the different travel
  • + 5
 Or you could just but a Fox 36 and have what SRAM's trying to do with both, all rolled into one
  • + 0
 ...and then hang your head in shame when the Kashima falls off and your stanchions look like dirty broom handles...
  • + 2
 To be fair some of the black anodizing has flaked off my Pike...
  • + 3
 Yo Rob- While I've personally never had any Kashima 'fall' off, nor know anybody who has, I've owned three sets of Pike forks that needed to be sent back to SRAM because of their nifty air-side check valve. The last time they just sent me a new cartridge,and a couple months later after I got wise and sold them, the new owner had the same fricken problem. SRAM's unwillingness to address the solo-air check valve is common knowledge, while Kashima coat simply 'falling off' is a figment of your imagination. You're a company's best bud. You buy their product, then make your entire life about said product and the company that produced it. SRAM could market petrified dog shit as suspension, and you'd run out and spend all your money on the first run, then buy 'up all the 'SRAM Petrified Dog Shit' stickers you can get your sticky fingers on, and proceed to plaster them on any and everything within your reach.
  • + 1
 Oh what was that Google? That wasn't difficult was it!

forums.mtbr.com/knolly/anyone-else-find-their-kashima-coating-coming-off-726527.html

You tool!

I'm a company man am I? I run a 2009 coil Domain that I bought off pinkbike and a 2012 Fox DHX RC2. I don't even care haha!

Dude you need to slow down at getting your knickers in a twist before you wrote any more flippant comments that I will come and troll!
  • + 1
 Look dumbass, ALL these coatings WEAR off. It's simply a matter of usage.
You wrote that it simply FELL off. BIG difference in definition(s).
You should stop worry about making the big-grand statement, and go out and get some life experience.
  • + 1
 Wow dude, how literally do you take a heckle? I missed the memo where pinkbike comments were the forum for an in depth engineering review!

As for "big-grand statements"... did you forget what you wrote in your first comment?

Kind regards
  • + 2
 I don't get this, "When the news first broke about the new fork, there was a dull roar from riders wondering why there wasn't a 20mm thru-axle option. RockShox's reasoning was that they see 20mm axles as being reserved for downhill bikes, and didn't want to reintroduce the size for all-mountain bikes when there haven't been any issues with the current 15mm option. That may not make everyone happy, but realistically, at this point in time the vast majority of all-mountain and enduro bikes come specc'd with 15mm thru-axles, which means riders won't need to change their hub configuration if they purchase a Lyrik."

1) Since when are they concerned about standards and it working with what you got? Not too long ago the industry standard for all mountain and through axles in general was 20mm.

2) Why not just designate the pike as a tail/lite AM fork with a 15mm and make the Lyrik the AM/park fork with 20mm axles? Kind of what the Revelation was to the Lyrik.

3) Why not just make the 20mm axle option like they've done in the past?

Seriously, how many are going to use this fork on the same bike they had the Pike on? The Pike is 150-160mm while the Lyrik is 160-180mm. I'm guessing most would build a different bike around this fork so the argument that it's a 15mm to work with your existing stuff is kinda flawed.
  • + 4
 Because having a whole new hub standard to achieve adequate stiffness is a lot simpler than using the existing 20mm standard.....!? MTB logic right there!
  • + 2
 This Lyrik project manager should be shot. He did a f*cking horrible job. What was he on?!?! Upper management are idiots just as well to approve of it. Screw SRAM. 15mm and no 26er? SACRILEGE! WTF!

I love RockShox products and I have all RockShoxs, Boxxer WC 2015 for my DH and Lyrik for my AM. Now, I'm gonna start shopping for other brands. They just screwed their loyal following. What a shame.

Pardon me for my rant. Need to get it off my back. My apologies if I offended anyone, but no apologies to RockShox, you deserve my anger and hatred. Screw you guys. F U!
  • + 1
 I just bought a NOS "14 RC2DH Lyrik solo air, threw a Pike topcap on thur, couple of bottomless tokens, 10mm spacer In the negative chamber (170-160mm) ripped out the oil seals and replaced them with foam rings, 0W-30 in the lowers...... PLUSH!
  • + 5
 Fox 36's convertible 15/20 through axle wins, i guess.
  • + 1
 Sounds like a perfect replacement for my Domain 180 single crowns...
Torque caps?? I must have been under a rock - today I learn about them... and decide I don't need them!

The original 20mm QR maxle was bad enough, the 15mm definitely didn't appeal to me at all... and then I bought a 20mm maxle DH - fundamentally a big bolt (a bolt being a well established engineering solution!). Why is that not on here? It is the perfect solution. 20mm stiffness, 6mm allen key in each end, never works loose, easy to install, seconds to swap it with a DH wheel with a different tyre, and no levers and sticking out bits to get caught up in a crash (which was the death of two of my QR maxles!)
  • + 1
 Is it true you can upgrade your 26" lyrik with the new charger damper coil or air? Also what if it's a 2012 u-turn RC2L, will the new upgrade work? Have been wanting to give the old fork some love and possibly ditch the u-turn for just coil. Any suggestions?
  • + 2
 The Charger damper should work with any spring setup, but if you run it in the lowered position for too long, it will stress the bladder since the bladder pressure is position sensitive.
  • + 1
 Thanks @theminsta, solid!
  • + 1
 And cheers!!
  • + 6
 No 26 inch?! WTF!!!!
  • + 1
 If you're really looking for a fork that's stiffer than the pike is already you probably could benefit from the extra 10-20mm of travel too. Kind of wish they'd have reviewed the longer travel options too or at least compared them to the 160mm versions. If you don't mind just a little more weight and you want more stiffness it would make sense that you might want a little more travel too.
  • + 2
 @SramMedia thanks for the artificial demand. The new Lyrik, with its 15mm axle and the lack of a 26" option is quite disappointing. I really thought you guys were going to nail this one.
  • + 1
 Dear PinkBike, assuming your original fork was a Pike 160mm RTC3 27.5, I'd like to know your original Pike setup (air pressure, tokens, C and R adjustments), and how it translated into the Lyric setup.

Especially interested in how to match the air pressure and the rebound adjustment (apparently RockShox will have some recommendation, but is this available for the general public, both for the Pike and the Lyric?).
  • + 1
 So I sold the Remedy and put the Rock Shox lyrik on the yeti 575. The change back to 26" wheels is only slightly noticeable in how the rear end responded to bumps (which might also be suspension linkage). What was really noticeable is how much better a 2010 Lyrik is than a 2014 Fox 34. Plush, tracks better. No arm numbness. I did everything I could think of to make that 34 work better. I tried all sorts of adjustments, mods, whatever. It just always sucked! The lyrik is just better! And if I want to upgrade it RS made the new charger damper backwards compatible. Amazing.
  • + 1
 Totem fans I'm with you. I don't care for DH forks as I like my handlebar freedom.

Here's two options with a little more oomph than the new Lyric:

1. XFusion Metric. I was very surprised with the chassis rigidity, its very Totem like. After a long break-in, it feels great in all conditions and handles the over-shoot landings beautifully.

2. A rebuilt totem from suspension experts. Yes, he can get you a fresh Totem! mtbsuspensionexperts.com
  • + 1
 interesting, 35mm stanchions??? and a no different look than a more stylish pike?? that lowers looks like a suntour or a RST few years ago, in that point i prefer to buy a fox..... which now with the retire of marzocchi has more M stylished lowers in their models.. also i still use 26" and i prefer it over 27.5 or 29 because it doesnt mean i have to buy a new frame,new fork,new tires,new wheels....anyway if you buy a pike or this fork both looks the same thing...
  • + 1
 Any way we can get a picture of the new SKF seals on the cartridge?
My pike charger cartridge head seal leaks like a sieve and I don't want to shell out $65 for the NS Dynamics version on amazon:
www.amazon.com/NS-Dynamics-Cartridge-Rockshox-Charger/dp/B00WHF3WF6
  • + 1
 I'm thinking enduro evo frame with a 180' lyric with and foxes DH air shock in the rear! 34lb dh bike basically. With some Carbon DH wheels. I thinking its the future of park/free ride bikes. leaves it at a 64deg head tube angel also!
  • + 0
 Kona Process 167 with that Lyrik and you are a Gawd
  • + 4
 They come with an Ohlins. Replaced the boxxer with a RV1.
  • + 1
 And replace the rear shock with a Vector Air. Then it's all set in my eyes #fanboy
  • + 3
 I have the enduro evo frame with the 2015 lyrik on it and love it. Evo frame has 20mm axle so not gonna work with the 2016 so that sucks. Also there aren't a lot of rear shock options for the frame because of the linkage design. Still love the bike. Pedals decent and rips the downhill!
  • + 3
 Aren't torque caps just moving material from what was once a 20mm axle to a 15mm axle that now needs it's hand held??
  • + 3
 Let's hope the steerer crown bonding is stiffer!!! On my 3rd pike in about as many months.
  • + 3
 Truth. Incredible they cannot get this right and how much more $ they'd make if they didn't have to replace half the CSU's on forks they sell.
  • + 2
 The 15mm only, may not be an option for very front of the bike strong riders. unless you get the front Sram hub. Your pocket gets hit double.
  • + 3
 In so Proud our fork makers iT to THE comment sections????????????????????????????????????????????????
  • + 1
 OK I need some help, I don't get all that stuff anymore!!

Can I still use my regular front wheel with a normal 15mm Thru Axle? Or do I have to get a SRAM front hub (Which will not happen)?
  • + 1
 yes you can. i'tll be little harder to mount the wheel on the fork but it'll work fine.
  • + 1
 Pike hit a big win, but it seems Rockshox themselves have forgotten what the Lyrik is supposed to be-how can this be possible? Everyone else knows it... I'd take 36 stanshions over 20mm axle though.
  • + 4
 My 66 is still going strong, thank you!
  • + 4
 SRAM doesn't care about your opinions
  • + 3
 they do care if you buy it or not
  • + 2
 I would if there's a 26' option
  • + 1
 i'm still rockin' my '07 Lyrik on a 1st gen. Nomad. really happy w/that plush, sure-footed feel.
might upgrade the guts of the fork in a couple years..might not.
The original Lyrik was fine w/me
  • + 0
 there was a really good 180mm travel fork at RS, it was called the Totem. The Solo Air, Mission DH was just amazing.... Why did they created this Lyrik specially with a 15mm axle, when they had a bomb already existing... ridiculous !
  • + 2
 If it needs a torque cap.... Why not have a 20mm axle. And boost 110?? Why not a 20mm axle????
  • + 1
 20mm = 15mm on an all mtn whip. Get over it.

If you say you can feel a difference on an AM bike, you're lying to be cool.

Smile
  • + 3
 why is there a photo of a Yari instead of a Lyrik?
  • + 2
 Get ready to see this on one of the best selling "enduro" bikes of this season who just had a product launch....
  • + 4
 Mattoc 4 Life
  • + 4
 Mattoc FTW...!
  • + 3
 Reading some of these comments makes my day alittle better Smile
  • - 3
 That's because you like negerboll
  • + 1
 Ja absolut, är inte det typ det vanligaste tilltugget då man läser kommentarer här?
  • + 1
 upchuckyeager - a low-life Swedish Newspaper decided to divide Sweden for people who like racist name for chocolade/coco ball and those who don't. Complete randomness from my side... don't worry
  • + 1
 oh, that clears things up completely...thank you
  • + 1
 Hehh, we have a candy, "Negró" www.abconline.hu/image/490677642w320h320.jpg
The very talented 50cent went nuts, when he saw it Smile
  • + 3
 155lb rider on a 160mm fork? WTF? This review is useless.
  • + 3
 No 26 boooooooooooooooooooooooooo
  • + 1
 Just like it did with 26 inch wheels and metal bikes, now the Pike is going to become the devil reincarnated thanks to the Lyrik .
  • + 3
 I'M OUTRAGED!!!! no i'm not. it's another fork.
  • + 1
 So if the Pike is only offered in a 150mm for 29, but can be converted to a 160mm (like on the Spec Enduro), can the Lyrik 160mm 29 be converted to a 170mm 29 in fork?
  • + 2
 Will 27.5 accommodate 26"x 3.0"+ tires? I wonder.
  • + 1
 Yes 3.0s run larger than standard size 650b tires
  • + 1
 It angers me how Rockshox is taking the name of legendary forks and transforming it into something totally different
  • + 3
 Define totally different in context, please.
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 i cant wait to read all the complaints about no 20mm and no 26" model.... yay
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 correction - There is definitely a 160mm 29" Pike
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 So is there really even that big of a difference between the 27.5 160mm Pike and the 27.5 160mm Lyrik?!
  • + 2
 Just bring back the Totem already.. In 22.5 mm thru axle.
  • + 1
 Hopefully we will see the used market inundated with Pikes for a steal soon Big Grin .
  • + 1
 I have a 26" bike and want to upgrade to bigger wheels: Is it okay if I cut he forks stanchions and weld in about an 2"?
  • + 2
 Well, no option for 26" ... Thanks RS, you're awesome.
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 Shitty phone. Doesnt really show what I just typed here
  • + 3
 That was the most pointless thing ever
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 One of your flags is upside down.
  • + 20
 Let's turn it 90°
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 @bishopsmike-best comment of the day!
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 @bishopsmike ???????????????? you win the internet today.
  • + 2
 And here I am still using my Sr Suntour Durolux RC2 on my older Nomad
  • + 2
 difference between the pike rct3 solo air and the liryk rct3 solo air ??
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 Lyrik are supposedly stiffer than the pike and it has more travel.
  • + 0
 So it is like my penis?
  • + 3
 so much meh.
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 RS is now making everything the same. I guess you stick with what works and cash in for a bit, than bring out the new again. The only thing I seem to think though is that RS is main streaming all there products into one, so it makes it impossible to differentiate what technology suites what need and what fork is better for the application when 3 others fit the same bill. I love fox, cause they seem to have a wide range of forks with a wide range of different technologies. there is no one stop shop damper, and selling there products is black or white.
  • + 1
 Anyone had the opportunity to ride the lyric in comparison to a metric HLR?
Pros and cons?
  • + 1
 Heck, I got a boxxer on my unicycle.
  • + 1
 But does it come in.... "Magenta"... Big Grin
  • + 1
 I would buy this if they promised no more creaking crowns/steer tubes
  • + 1
 Can you put 29er lowers on a 180 fork? I wanna build a really big bike.
  • + 1
 it'll all come back around again....wait and see.
  • + 1
 why does it look liked it is spelled gink
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