First Ride: 2020 Cannondale Habit Neo eMTB

Aug 21, 2019
by Dan Roberts  


The recently released Moterra and the new Habit Neo might look similar at a quick glance. But they’re actually quite different beasts. The Habit name has been with Cannondale since 2015, albeit in their regular bike line up, and received a drastic overhaul last year.

For 2020 it’s not just had a motor slapped on there and sent out the door. Behind the curtain there’s been some important tweaks and changes to adapt the Habit chassis to the rigors of eMTB.

Cannondale Habit Neo Details

Bosch Generation 4 System
Wheel Size: 29"
Travel: 140mm F & 130mm R
Sizes: S, M, L & XL
Weight: 21.3kg to 22.76kg (47lbs to 50.2lbs) depending on spec
Price: €4,499 - €7,999 EUR
More info: www.cannondale.com

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Details & Features

Cannondale developed the Habit Neo and Moterra simultaneously, but the Habit Neo is pointed at a different clientele. Cannondale see this model a good choice for newer riders and also those who perhaps already ride hardtails and come from an XC background.


Frame Construction

All four of the Habit Neo models use a carbon fiber composite front triangle with an aluminum rear end. The front triangle shares many design cues with the Moterra, but overall, it’s a less aggressive looking frame with straighter lines and clean surfaces, much like the regular Habit.

The biggest similarity, however, is the lifetime warranty. I’ve no experience of going through a warranty with Cannondale, so can’t comment on the process. But the fact that there is a lifetime warranty in place on the frame must serve as peace of mind when riding the bike.

The bike utilises a Horst link suspension system to get its 130mm of travel. There is a shock extender, but thankfully it doesn’t require any proprietary shock to work. The layout also allows the use of a water bottle inside the front triangle.




Proportional Response

Proportional response takes the idea that as people's heights and weights change, so should their bikes kinematics. Each size of Habit Neo receives a tweaked suspension system to deliver a consistent ride feel for accelerating and braking no matter how big or small you are. Added to this there’s increased leverage ratio progression as you go up through the sizes to provide a little more support from the suspension system when the rider weight increases.

This is not a common thing in the industry, and most brands just make do with one kinematic for all sizes. Hats off to Cannondale for taking on the added complexity in design and manufacturing to ensure that all riders should have the same ride feel that they design into their bikes.

Cannondale also recognised that the center of gravity of the system of bike and rider sits at a different point when compared to a normal bike, and factored this into their kinematic adjustments.

With the motor smoothing out the normally pulse like pedalling forces, Cannondale chose to drop the anti-squat figures a little for their e-bikes. They substitute total mechanical support with a bit of damping support in the shock, but chose this way as they feel they can get more traction with this anti-squat/damping balance. With the new Bosch system doing away with the final bit of internal gear multiplication it’s possible to have larger chainrings again. SRAM narrow wide rings help keep the chain from jumping off, and with a 34T chainring they can resort to familiar tactics in designing the bikes response to acceleration given the chain line.


AI Offset Drivetrain

If you’ve ever looked straight down at your rear wheel then you’ve seen the difference in angles between the spokes on either side. Usually the drive side spokes take a more vertical path from the hub to rim. Offsetting the hub, and subsequently the whole drivetrain, to the right helps bring a bit of balance to these spoke angles. The advantage of this is a stronger rear wheel, something to relish when shifting under full power. But more than that, it gave the engineers important space to give the bike more tire clearance and more meat in the chain stays for additional durability.


Stopping Power

Something carried over from its bigger brother are the brakes on the Habit Neo. Regardless of spec, you’ll find big rotors on all the bikes. The Habit Neo 4 carries 200mm rotors front a rear from SRAM, and the rest of the range have even bigger discs from Magura, with a 220mm up front and a 203mm at the back.

While moar is betterer, Cannondale didn’t just stop there. They co-developed some new rotors with Magura that feature a steel braking surface mounted to an aluminium floating spider. They upped the number of physical pathways from the steel outer to aluminum inner and so allowed the brakes to cope with a lot more heat build-up than a traditional brake disc. E-bikes do carry more mass, and in certain situations you even find yourself braking uphill, so having added braking power combined with more consistent performance is a nice detail that they’ve brought to the e-bike table.
Photo Ale di Lullo






E-Bike System

Bosch Generation 4

The Habit Neo nestles the new generation 4 Bosch Performance CX motor low down in the frame. It bolts to the front triangle via an all carbon fiber mount, and with the drastically shrunken size when compared to its predecessor it paints a much cleaner silhouette.

The new generation Bosch system gives 250W of power up to a quoted 25km/h. But out on the trail it’s still giving you a helping hand, or leg, a few kms past that limit.

There are four modes to choose from giving a maximum torque of 75Nm and with varying degrees of support. Eco will give 60% of your input back to you. Tour gives 140%. eMTB, which was our favourite mode, closely monitors the rider input and adjusts the assistance given back from 140% up to the max 340%. Finally, Turbo gives the full 340%, and while it’s damn fun, can be touch too much in really technical climbs or on loose surfaces without a defined body weight movement to help the rear tire grip.


Photo Ale di Lullo
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The Habit Neo uses the new Generation 4 Bosch Performance CX system and, on the Habit Neo 1 & 2, the Kiox display.

Integration into the Habit Neo

The top two bikes utilise the 625Wh battery and despite a bit more bike weight due to this (600g) gain a nice chunk more range. The lowest two models use the 500Wh battery.

All batteries mount to the bike from the underside of the down tube, and use a sealed battery cover to protect from the elements which will inevitably get thrown at it with being situated there. A simple captive thumb screw removes the cover and a key is needed to remove the Powertube battery. It you want to pull the prank of hiding your mate’s battery you’ll need their key first...

Battery recharge from zero takes 2.1h to 50% and 4.9h to full with the 625Wh battery and supplied 4a charger. For the 500Wh battery it’s a little shorter to 50% and 100% at 2h and 4.5h respectively.

Bosch used magnesium to construct the casing of the new motor in an effort to shed weight. With that change there’s an increased risk due to magnesium being a little more prone to damage than other materials. eMTBs have mostly always covered the motor, and the Habit Neo follows suit and uses a substantial motor covers that protects your investment well. In addition to this there’s some well thought out venting going on to keep air flow to the motor up.

The Habit Neo 1 and 2 use the Bosch Kiox display, while the 3 and 4 use the Purion display. Both are easy to use and read, but the Kiox is very intuitive in all its function and display. There’s a lot of stats on offer to display most of which within a short amount of time have you using the metrics to meter your power, assistance and cadence to make the most out of your battery. Color coded themes make it easy to see what mode you’re in at a glance and there’s Bluetooth connectivity built into the Kiox to pair things like heart rate monitors while enabling personalisation and ride data to be extracted via the eBike Connect app.

The speed sensor is neatly tucked into the rear dropout, and the magnet is a physical part of the rotor. The charge port is easy to access on the side of the seat tube, down by the motor if you prefer to charge with the battery in the bike.






Photo Ale di Lullo
The Habit Neo 1, as tested.

Build

As mentioned, there are four builds on offer (USD pricing currently only available for the Habit Neo 2 and 4), all weights are for size M, setup tubeless and without pedals.

• Habit Neo 1: SRAM X01/GX/NX, RockShox Pike Select RC & Deluxe Ultimate RC – 7,999 Euro – 22.12kg (48.8lbs)
• Habit Neo 2: SRAM GX/NX, RockShox 35 Gold RL & Deluxe Select RC – 5,999 Euro / 7,000 USD – 22.76kg (50.2lbs)
• Habit Neo 3: SRAM NX/SX, RockShox 35 Gold RL & Deluxe Select R – 4,999 Euro – 21.3kg (47lbs)
• Habit Neo 4: SRAM SX, RockShox Recon RL & Deluxe Select R – 4,499 Euro / 5,500 USD – 22.32kg (49.2lbs)


Photo Ale di Lullo
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Habit Neo 2, 3 first color option, 3 second color option and 4.

All spec information and pricing is available on the Habit Neo page of the website.





Habit Neo Geometry Image
Habit Neo Geometry Table


Geometry

First off, all sizes of the Habit Neo use 29” wheels and there’s a good spread of reach from 425mm for the S to 495mm for the XL.

Head angle leans a bit more to the agile side at 66.5˚, but definitely doesn’t make the bike nervous. Chain stays are interestingly 5mm longer than on the Moterra, perhaps in an effort to maintain more front-end grip and confidence for the intended audience.

BB height is again a smidge on the high side, but ebikes often benefit from a slightly raised BB to keep the undercarriage out of harm’s way while you surge through trail obstacles more often than over them.

The Habit Neo suffers from the same fate as the Moterra, and regular Habit, with a touch slack seat angle and long seat tube lengths. Bike design is a massive juggling task and no matter what people tell you there will always be compromises. In the case of the Habit Neo it’s the location of the seat tube pivot that has more say in the seat angle and seat tube length. While I’m 188cm and have enough legs to negate most trouser clearance issues, shorter people and people with short legs should make sure they can find a good fit.

Stand over is very low on paper, but Cannondale measures this at 75mm forward from the BB while lots of other brands measure at 100mm forward of the BB. Good to keep that in mind when comparing geometry figures.

Head tube length is short, if you’re looking at it from a more descending point of view, and needed a good chunk of spacers to have a comfy high bar height. But given the intended audience for the bike, and with XC backgrounds coming into play, there’s the possibility for people to have a lower bar setup and minimal spacers.










Before anyone points it out, that’s Jérôme Clementz in the pictures. While not only being a gifted guide, admirable ambassador and all-around top bloke he also looks damn good in photos. For our afternoon testing session of the Habit Neo we were out in the woods only as a duo with unfortunately no photographers hiding in the bushes.


Photo Ale di Lullo
SRAM group parts galore, with discretely branded Michelin tyres.


Jérôme’s Habit Neo, built up with all his sponsor's parts, is also a purposeful and fast machine. He had spent two weeks prior to our launch day riding the Habit Neo and looked extremely comfortable on it.


Photo Falk Wenzel


Climbing

Our initial suspension setup back at base was definitely lacking balance front to back when we got it out on the first loop. Nevertheless, we pointed the thing up some climbs that commenced with tarmac, transitioned to gravel and finished with some lengthy pitches that were so littered with roots and at such a gradient that there was a definite bit of finger crossing going on while running up to them. But all doubts were pushed aside and the Habit Neo shot up the steep technical climbs. It’s an involved affair, contrary to what most people envisage as a sit back and just mash the pedals approach. Body language becomes key to managing grip at the rear wheel while keeping the front end down, but the L size Habit Neo had plenty of room to manoeuvre around to balance this. Shunting the seat forward was necessary to have a bit more comfort while on longer more mellow climbs, but that’s due to spending much more time on bikes with steeper seat angles. I do find the steeper seat angles, in the range of 78˚ effective more comfortable, but the effective 75˚ angle of the Habit Neo can work with the aforementioned seat adjustment.

After returning to base, Jérôme suggested that we head off and repeat the morning's loop that had us testing the Moterra. This presented a good opportunity to go back to back on the same trails and see how the bike handled some familiar terrain. We adjusted the suspension and dropped the fork pressure. E-bike forks are recommended to run about 10psi more than their non-motorised versions, but for the first outing we went too high with the pressure. We also upped the shock pressure to give 25% sag. Previously it was at 30% and it was possible to bottom out the shock with an overly aggressive bounce in the parking. The Habit Neo's rear suspension is a bit more on the linear side of things, but once we reduced the sag it felt a lot better and get rid of the on-demand bottom outs.

Back climbing on the bike, fire roads were dealt with in a manner than means conversations are lengthy and not interspersed with gasps for air. And there’s ample opportunities to climb up the insides of the bends and stab on the pedals to see how shit at flat tracking you are. The Habit Neos contact points are really comfy and the overall position while climbing seated is conventional by today’s standards, but comfy nonetheless.



Photo Ale di Lullo


Descending

After arriving at the high point of the ride we dropped in. And with the lack of a group or photo stops we hammered down the trail with fewer stops than we had done in the morning. The Habit Neo is definitely a bit livelier, more like a Jack Russell running in zig zags down the trail than the long-legged Greyhound of the Moterra, which blasts forwards with more of a direct path to the next point on the trail. This isn’t to say it can’t go fast, it can indeed. But it requires a bit sharper reactions and inputs to grab it by the ears and keep it all in check while at speed. But that makes the whole riding experience a hoot. Putting it through the same trail features as we had the Moterra and coming out the other side with a touch more sense of achievement was fun.

It’s still an easy bike to get along with and predictable in its operation. It’s a bit easier to dart around on, quicker to make direction changes while still maintaining enough stability to have your back. For its intended audience of beginners to the e-bike scene, and for people with more hardtail and XC backgrounds, this inherent agility will be a welcome tool for them to learn and progress while still having a bundle of fun. There’s no need for them to be over biked and almost have a critical amount of fun sucked out of the riding experience.

The Habit Neo is an all-around entertaining ride and one that given its all around capabilities could be used in many a place. Its liveliness might be not the best on the most demanding trails out there, but one bike cannot do it all, and given the intended audience that Cannondale is pointing this bike at it should serve them well.


Photo Tommy Bauser









195 Comments

  • 225 6
 I like to think there is a pinkboat.com where people spend all their time bitching about whether putting an outboard on a sail boat makes it a motor boat or not. Sadly there isn't, I checked.
  • 8 5
 priceless comment!
  • 10 23
flag Jacquers (Aug 21, 2019 at 3:10) (Below Threshold)
 I like your comment, but I'd liken it more to having oars that help you out a bit when sailing against the wind.
  • 42 4
 one thing is for sure - you're definitely NOT sailing when using the outboard motor to go forward....
  • 20 2
 @Isey: But what if you're using the outboard and the sail simultaneously? This may well be the defining philosophical question of our time...
  • 35 8
 @HPdeskjet3630 - I hereby vote this to be the best E bike related comment ever made on Pinkbike Comment Board
  • 10 7
 @HPdeskjet3630:

Or one of the millions of larger sailing yachts with electric winches, or the even bigger yachts that have to run a motor of some sort most of the time to power the hydraulics?

All still sailing . . . . . .
  • 12 0
 I have always loved sailing without any motor, especially on smaller boats. There is some kind of purity to it. Sometimes it is necessary to have a motor, to help out when there is not enough wind to get you home. I am very happy that my bike does not depend on the wind.
  • 8 2
 Just chain 30 ebikers to a galera, make them row and feel like a fricking Cesar.
  • 3 1
 @WAKIdesigns: Galera. Nice.
  • 3 0
 @Isey: but what if you put a turbofan to blow onto the sail?
  • 2 2
 @Isey: here we found a pinkboat.com user!!!!
  • 6 2
 I was out for a run with my 2 youngest sons in the jogging stroller. Saw a guy with his kids in a jogging stroller and he was riding one of those electric hover board things. His kids and my kids were having an equally enjoyable time. I didn’t bring up the fact that the paved path we were on was designated non-motorized because I know that without his input the machine wouldn’t move forward therefore it must not have a motor. Also his kids have every right to get fresh air as mine. Maybe he did 2 laps compared to my one lap...
  • 1 4
 Why is it that anybody eats oranges when you can eat apples and not have to peel the damn things? Exact same thing!
  • 11 15
flag snl1200 (Aug 21, 2019 at 9:32) (Below Threshold)
 Funny- but not digging the metaphor. Sailing is such a different sport- a sail boat is not designed to be rowed. It's not something that was designed to work separate from harnessing wind power to propel you. There isn't always wind and it isn't always safe to operate the sails. This is not the same as a bike that does not rely on weather to work but rather can operate on human power. Bikes don't need motors- we have added them and with them they are something different. I have no issue with eBikes- just not a fan of this metaphor. A better metaphor might be a SUP. A Stand Up Paddleboard with a motor would be different thing and would not be allowed on certain bodies of water based on regulations governing what is allowed on those bodies of water...even if you want to argue "but it's not exactly a speed boat"...
  • 10 6
 @snl1200:
It's called a false equivalence

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_equivalence

It's how idiots justify their views on all sorts of things these days.
  • 6 0
 As far as international collision regulations are concerned it does make it a motor boat!
  • 7 0
 @sailor74: Username checks out
  • 15 0
 That time when a joke about e bikes generated a bunch of sailing experts on Pinkbike.
  • 5 0
 @HPdeskjet3630: then its called "motor sailing." Seriously, that's what its called. Deep.
  • 4 4
 Excuse me if you are using wind assist on a boat you are a cheater, no exceptions. Boating should be human powered, oars and paddles only.
  • 6 1
 @snl1200: yeah, except metaphor was made to make it funny not accurate. Wooosh! There it went Captain Optimum! Smile
  • 1 6
flag tigerteeuwen (Aug 21, 2019 at 12:12) (Below Threshold)
 @WildBikeCompany: way to be a coward.
  • 4 4
 @ripcraft: I see your 'false equivalence' and raise you one 'wiki ref effect'. The phenomenon whereby Wikipedia references are inserted into a comment to make the writer appear more learned and wise than they actually are.
  • 8 1
 @HPdeskjet3630: Did that sound better in your head?
  • 2 2
 @Rucker10: I don't know, do synapses make a sound? An interesting question but I fail to see the relevance to the eternal ebike debate.
  • 3 3
 @HPdeskjet3630: False equivalence is the number one tactic of debate used by pro-ebike users, I’d say it’s relevant.
  • 3 0
 @Rucker10: And what's the number two tactic? Asking for a friend.
  • 2 2
 @HPdeskjet3630:
Psychological projection.

Usually accusations of bias lacking sound justification or sometherabouts..
  • 3 2
 @HPdeskjet363

Here's the Wikipedia link Smile

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection
  • 3 2
 Only a non-boater would make such an asinine comment.
  • 1 0
 @HPdeskjet3630: yes, your synapses make noise while firing. we can actually listen yupp them and study them.
  • 24 3
 I think it's interesting that companies are spending so much effort on special ebike brakes when the ebike weight difference (20 lbs) is much less than the variance among riders on regular bikes. I'd like to see some of these things incorporated across the line.
  • 96 5
 Well- E-bikers tend to weight a bit more than normal mtbers I assume.
  • 4 1
 I kinda wondered that myself since I'm a heavier rider (217 lbs). I wonder if it's aimed more at the speed they carry instead of the actual weight.
  • 3 0
 Just have Magura bring back the Guatavs. They were great for DH and tandem bikes.
  • 10 3
 You can also sell anything to Ebikers, great marketing!
  • 3 7
flag climbhikeride (Aug 21, 2019 at 7:19) (Below Threshold)
 Brakes are reducing momentum so Mass and Speed. eBikes are going faster so higher speeds need more stopping power.
  • 3 3
 Heavier riders usually have also more grip strenght, while motor riders have a much lower strenght/weight ratio
  • 2 0
 Indeed. The same can be said of tires. But it's good, it means better options for heavier riders.
  • 10 0
 @climbhikeride: Do ebikes really go faster in areas where braking is important? I know that in the sections where I reach my top speeds, it's my unwillingness to let off the brakes that's keeping me from going faster, not my inability to generate more pedaling power. I can see e-bikes going faster on climbs and flats, but I'd suspect that they are pretty similar on the downs where you really need the brakes.
  • 2 0
 @MarcusBrody: What taxes brakes the most with a regular bike is a long, steep descent. Ebikes don't go any faster there. However, they can achieve higher speeds on flatter terrain, and will need a lot more braking there. Conclusion: Even if you don't do long, steep descents on your ebike, dh-spec brakes come handy for general use.
  • 3 4
 @NotNamed: Give it a rest. I weigh about 130lbs and need 4 piston brakes on my e bike. Its necessary on long, steep descents. Ride with xt single pistons on my DH bike, no problems.
  • 2 2
 Where would your evidence be for that? @NotNamed:
  • 1 1
 @NotNamed: I'm ebike rider weight but ride a regular bike, and have Zees on my trail bike and wouldn't go back to two pot brakes on any bike
  • 23 3
 Is there even a point to bring up the climbing factor on E-Bikes?
I used to climb on my normal bikes all the time, so everytime I have the opportunity to test ride an E-Bike, I'm always like "Man, climbing feels so freaking easy. "
My BPM doesn't even go much up on the steeper longer climbs.
  • 7 2
 They all go up a straight fireroad easily but their handling and characteristics, grip, balance etc are all factors in how fun going up a technical climb will be.
  • 1 1
 @Patrick9-32: exactly, notice how long the chainstays are on most ebikes (455mm in this one). When the reviewers are comparing climbing ability it's relative to other ebikes. If you youtube ebike climbing shootouts, they're trying to clear sections a short chainstay trail bike would never be able to get up.
  • 2 0
 If your battery ever dies and you are stuck climbing one of these boats you'll appreciate efficient suspension.
  • 2 0
 Its a huge factor. Not all trails are 4 foot wide and low grade. Its incredible being able to climb well on steep technical trails without stopping or spinning out. Got to go up to get down.
  • 17 5
 This is the first time I was actually kinda interested in an e-bike review. I feel dirty. Thing is, after spending a summer self-shuttling climbs, I now have a new appreciation for how many more descents I could get in in a day if I had a little "help". One trail had one 1.5 hour climb up and then an hour down, with no other options, which meant 1 lap for me. Maybe an e-bike would have had me do two.

I feel dirty again. Ebikes are the worst, burn the all, buy a motocoss bike! Ah, that's better...
  • 4 2
 E Bike buyer beware: I paid thousands for an e bike this year and it just makes me want more speed when I ride it. There are also hardly any trails where I can legally ride it and it isn't much fun to ride on moto trails. Wish I would have bought a cheap moto instead. These Chinese bikes are great for beginners...

www.superiorpowersports.com/Tao_Tao_110cc_Dirt_Bike_p/tt125db-17.htm?keyword=&gclid=CjwKCAjw1_PqBRBIEiwA71rmtShqseqY7ZYTrWOc1XUStdPOo0FwPOnyyQTvzw7EHa3jFwhX9SVKnBoCyIMQAvD_BwE
  • 3 4
 Until you do back to back 15K' descent days without being in olympic shape or a shuttle vehicle, drinking a cold beer from the van fridge while swapping a battery doesn't really count does it? Ebikes are f*cking rad, everyone else is just living in the past. Which is fine, you know that guy struggling up on a rigid singlespeed is having just as much fun as me, just a different choice.
  • 1 0
 I'm going fast and back to the past and buying a moto. E bikes are overrated and there's hardly anywhere you can ride them legally of road. Plus not many people have them and solo riding gets old.
  • 1 1
 @graniteandrew: Gravel grinders are having a friggin blast too.

Ideally, I'd ride chairlifts up, but an e-bike could maybe be a close second, if it rides like a regular bike. Not that I'll be finding out any time soon.
  • 4 0
 @Laymo: They really are the useless tablet if the bike world. Bicycle and motorcycle are your phone and laptop. Anything in between is rather useless and worst-of-both-worlds.
  • 15 2
 motors, fancy display control.. but still a stupid rear deraileur hanging..... ebikes should get rid of this, they are heavy af anyways...
  • 1 0
 Yeah. Use some electricity to power a little clutch in a gear box.
  • 14 4
 “the new Habit Neo was designed to be an *energized* trail bike“

Groan. Whomever came up with this deserves e-ternal misery.
  • 10 2
 "discretely branded Michelin tyres"
  • 18 15
 Probably the only cool thing about this bike
  • 16 10
 I really hope no one complaining about ebikes is riding lift of shuttle access trails Big Grin Big Grin Big Grin .

To me, an emtb is literally just a built in shuttle service.
  • 13 3
 I can't wait until all trails are washboarded out like bike park trails.
  • 5 3
 Had a go on one last week. Well it was a right laugh. Like being super human up hill. But best of all it is the answer for knee pain. If you’re able and not injured then ride properly. But if not, buy one and get your riding years back.
  • 3 3
 Careful most the people think if you have a bad knee you don't deserve to ride becuase you are not pedalling through the pain or having fun. If you ride a ebike you not a human being according to this thread lol. had a really nice convo with a avid mountain biker here in edmonton at a stop light and he told me the ebike is the most fun he has had on two wheels. i may be able to have the same amount of fun on my 90's hardtail (doubt it) but why deny people the fun? mind you i'm lucky to not live in the states sooooo.
  • 27 26
 Re: ebike content filtering, why not just launch a sister site for ebikes? Surely PB is aware that the vast majority of its readers have no interest in these aberrations. Since you don't want to be the only one to tell the bike industry to f' off and potentially lose access to new bikes to review perhaps it makes sense to band together with mtbr, vitalmtb, etc... and collectively tell them to f' off?
  • 18 4
 Pinkmoped?
  • 10 4
 @ripcraft: Pinkpedo
  • 9 2
 Pinki(e)Bike
  • 15 12
 If e-bikes can be covered on here, then why can't gravel bikes? Or smart trainers? I would venture to say more readers would be interested in those things then an e-bike. At least people like me... Most Enduro / downhill, and of course XC guys spend a decent amount of time on a skinny tire rig. I think it would be cool to read reviews on gravel bikes from the perspective of fellow trail shredders
  • 16 10
 Man why not just stop complaining over the ebikes. Like how board are you? scroll past, it's easy I assure you. I for one enjoy the ebike content, Pinkbike even made a option for you to opt out yet here you are! If you can't see the relation to e-mountain bikes to regular mountain bike you have blinders on. These bikes are built on and resemble MOUNTAIN bikes. not road bikes. I don't see pinkbike covering E roadbikes (wich exist) or even e fat bikes (yes they exist) Like why would you think because they don't cover gravel bike they shouldn't cover e mountain bikes.... because you're nit picking duhh... just stop.
  • 12 15
 @gorideyourbikeman: "Man why not just stop complaining over the ebikes."

This is not editorial driven content. It's advertiser driven content shoved down our throats to boost sales, period, end of story. They're not mountain bikes and the corporations pushing them give no f#cks about compromising the tenuous access situations in much of the US by flooding already overcrowded trails with 500 watt mopeds. As someone who's worked in access in one of the most contentious zip codes in the US that's why I complain about ebike content on a mountain bike site.
  • 14 7
 @Bobo-the-Clown: Save your speech. If you guys have problem's in the states with trails that's to bad. But also your own fault lol. The fact you think pinkbike is "shoving" ebikes down your throat with one post every other week or so about ebike and also gave the option to "opt-out" of the content really squashes your argument over ebikes bud. Here you MUST LOOK AT EBIKE CONTENT! but heres a option to not see it all..... yaaa hmmm they are really shoving it down my throat with a extra large spoon there. find something more productive in the scene to get up in a bunch about like maybe loosening restriction's in your home trails to include ebikes haha
  • 4 3
 First of all don't call me Shirley. Lastly, sister site makes sense.
  • 7 11
flag Bobo-the-Clown (Aug 21, 2019 at 9:53) (Below Threshold)
 @gorideyourbikeman: It's not PB. It's the bike companies. Do you actually think the writers here want to do these reviews? They write about mountain bikes for a living because they love mountain biking. I'd wager a large amount that they have a system in place to determine who gets the next ebike review because none of them actually want to do it. But they have to if they want to get the next cool C'dale enduro/xc/trail/actual mtb to test. If they actually wanted to write about these things they'd be spitting reviews out daily but they don't. They do it because they don't have a choice.

Sister site. These things aren't mountain bikes.
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 @Bobo-the-Clown: that you can opt out of, but have chosen not to.
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 I wouldn't mind seeing a little gravel bike coverage and if Red Bull Road Rage ever comes back Pinkbike should definitely cover it.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Bull_Road_Rage
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 @gooutsidetoday: i would read it. They could all be coloured pink so the community diehards can relax.
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 @Bobo-the-Clown: You realize that by coming in here and giving the story a click you're giving those manufacturers incentive to keep pushing the marketing material, right? If no one read them, they wouldn't bother with them.
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 @Bobo-the-Clown: So let them cover the ebikes so you can see your non ebike reviews and opt out of the content. what are you doing in these comment's. You had to look for this to be upset about it otherwise. I do think pinkbikes enjoy's these reviews actually. thats why they were sick of people like you bad mouthing everything about them and (long and behold for the third time) created a feature to OPT OUT. makes sense eh?
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 @Bobo-the-Clown: Well I had fun riding the bikes and writing about them. If there is a points system in place to allow me to now ride the cool stuff then what does two ebike reviews in a row grant me?
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 Do you people honestly think you are making it harder to sell E-bikes? Nobody really gives a sht what you think. A huge portion of Ebike owners and potential buyers don’t know what Pinkbike is. Live and let die.
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 Because a lot mtn bikers are interested in them and they are losing out on a huge exponential market if they don't!
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 @WAKIdesigns: haha this is actually pretty true. fighting a fight they don't know exist's outside of here.We all must ride our own ride sometimes.
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 @gorideyourbikeman: It was mentioned earlier but the "mind your own business" argument is creating a false equivalence between getting mad about someone riding a 29er or 27.5 versus getting mad about someone riding a bike or an ebike. Someone riding an ebike can affect other users. Same thing with Pinkbike and the industry attempting to equate bikes and ebikes. It isn't right and risks trail access (among other issues) so of course some riders are going to be vocal about it. If it is such a non-issue why do you feel compelled to champion ebikes?
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 @highfivenwhiteguy: heh, the only risk ebikes create is that some idiot will try to ride up a DH trail. As to trail access, it’s been said numerous times, you are having a Stockholm syndrome in US when it comes to wilderness access. Your legislation is ridiculous and you should lobby for it to be changed, not blame Ebikes. You are defending a sick system and putting blame on someone else. How is it possible that in the land of the free a couple off a*sholes decide who can and who cannot us wilderness and how, often it is all up to local authorities with IQ lower than 100
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 @dan-roberts: Ha, hopefully a week in Crested Butte with a fresh fleet of cosmetic dentist Yetis. FWIW PB's own opt out article admitted that some editors would prefer to not cover them so my suppositions weren't too far off the mark. My opinions on emountain bikes are firmly rooted in my former role as a board member of Access4bikes in Marin County CA which has the most f'd up access issues on the planet. These things are not helping. Regardless, thank you for the opt out option. I'm out.
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 @WAKIdesigns: I do not entirely disagree with regulations regarding wilderness access and neither do the majority of people who live here, particularly in Washington State. Those "couple of a**holes" are the reason we have the access that we do, especially so close to populated areas. And local authorities are not dumb people, leaders with Department of Natural Resources, Fish and Wildlife, Department of Ecology, State Parks, etc., base their decisions on the work of scientists, ecologists, engineers, biologists, chemists, etc.

Here in the U.S. progressive leaders and activists like John Muir inspired a generation of people to set aside land for future use and protection. And some of that land was set aside specifically to be left alone, or at a minimum to be enjoyed respectfully and responsibly. We as mountain bikers have access to some of those areas thanks to the hard work of activists, leaders, and the riding community. I do not feel that it is right for Cannondale, Specialized, Giant etc. to risk that access so they can tap a new market and make more money.
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 You must have a lot of time to click on content you don’t like scroll down and the comment on it @gooutsidetoday:
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 @WAKIdesigns: I think your comment “the only risk ebikes create is that some idiot will try to ride up a DH trail.” kinda shows that you haven’t tried a pedal assist. It isn’t a miracle worker. It would be just as technically difficult to ride up a DH trail as on a ‘analogue’ bike (LOL to who ever coined that term in this thread). One can only use so much assist as the rear tire will not get grab.

Someone on the UK did a speed test with a pedal assist and reg bike, along with an Olympic mtn biker. They did the same trails, Ebike with no power and on full, and on reg bike. After times compiled, the regular bike actually ended being faster, even with the Ebike on turbo. Ta da.

And one can raise the argument of when bikes evolved to full suspension. I am sure there were debates on speed and safety on trails.

I ride my pedal assist no differently than my analog bike. Yes, I can ride up access/fire roads quicker if by myself but generally, I go the speed of my companions.

Oh. Last thing for never-tried-an-ebike-negative-nancies to ponder... hey. You don’t have, nor is it possible in many situations, to ride it at full speed. Do you drive a car at its fullest speed capacity?
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 @Bobo-the-Clown: @Bobo-the-Clown: Ahh, was looking for the first Big E-Bike corporate conspiracy comment. Gotta save people from being bamboozled, keep up the good fight my boy!
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 @WAKIdesigns: best comment I have read of yours in a decade.
its all about money and lawyers. Also plenty of studies out now to show erosion from ebikes are not measurably different than regular.
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 @highfivenwhiteguy: it only effects you if you let it haha. let it go man. you'll feel better. and why bring up wheel sizes lol, That's an argument i'll never understand. ride your own size wheel man, I can't believe how much it dose not effect me haha.
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 @gorideyourbikeman: First, you completely ignored or missed my point. Over half of your response is dedicated to wheel size, something I used strictly as an example of something that we shouldn't worry about. We actually agree on this but you missed it!

Second, what about the main point? Telling people to turn a blind eye to things that are wrong is, well, wrong. Ebikes affect current and future mountain bike riders, good in some ways and bad in others. The community has a right and responsibility to be vocal when something is wrong. That is how positive change is enacted. If ebikes are coming then fine, let's make sure the introduction is done carefully and respectfully. We can do that by addressing the negatives proactively and making sure that decisions are made that provide positive results for the majority of people.

Also you never addressed why you are championing ebikes. For someone who doesn't care and just rides whatever you sure seem to be passionate about pushing ebikes forward. Seems odd to me, you say one thing yet do another.
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 @highfivenwhiteguy: i'm passionate about riding my bike that is it, I asure you. Correction. You "Think" Ebikes are bad. that is your opinion. I ain't pushing ebikes buddy trust me. i'm just blown away by how much you think a stupid bike is "affecting you". so i gave my two cent's. All your comments are downvoted and mine are up voted so it's clear that your fear-mongering (in your case to yourself) lol. so as my username suggests.... Go Ride Your Bike Man!!!
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 @gorideyourbikeman: Wrong again. I said "good in some ways bad in others", very different from what you are suggesting. Wrong again, not all my posts are down and your's are up. And voting posts on an ebike article on a site that supports ebike content is not an indicator or correctness or validity of points made. I completely expect that comments critical of ebikes on an ebike article would not be popular. Common sense really. And looking at the posts above I think we are the only ones who care and are just downvoting each other. Kind of silly to be honest.

There is no point attempting to discuss this with you any further. I put it on the level of trying to have a discussion with a flat-earther or anti-vax person, it does not matter what you say they will ignore your points, refuse to address them directly, make accusations and insults, and make mass generalizations without backing up what they are saying with evidence.

This has run its course, but why not end on a good note. I agree, let's go ride our bikes.
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 I don´t care about ebike content, so why this filter? I love bikes, wouldn´t own an ebike now, but the pedal assist is really helpful for older people or people that never have been on a mtb ride, everyone is free to have normal bikes or ebikes, I love my mtb and I know lots of people who owns ebike because they love them and suits better their riding style, even if they are lazy or don´t have enough time to ride, so the ebikes let them ride a lot more than on a normal bike.

Just be yourself and ride the bike you love!
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 Ebike or not, that display on the stem does not belong to mountain biking and will be taken out by the creatures of the forest.
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 Good looking bike
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 It’s surprising how light specialized has managed to get their Turbo Levo, compared to other similar ebikes. The alloy levo is lighter than all but one of these carbon models.
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 No joke. 2019 model is 44lbs!
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 E-bikes are the future, great article, keep them coming.
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flag highfivenwhiteguy (Aug 21, 2019 at 9:04) (Below Threshold)
 Uhhhhh yeaaaaaah more ebike content! Give it to me, I crave it! MMMMMM instant gratification, more stuff to spend money on OOOOHHHHH GOOOOOD I"M HAVING A CONSUMERGASM!
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 The future of what?
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 @highfivenwhiteguy: you ok man? have you ridden your bike latley? it's time..... you're upset.
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 eMTB's are the best thing since dropper posts. They are stupid fun.
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 @zeyore: that's the thing, I don't think anyones ever claimed they aren't fun. It's not part of the debate.

Who wouldn't like to go 30km/h fairly effortlessly on a trail.....

It's just not Mountain biking.
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 @tigerteeuwen: There is no debate really. They're here, they're selling out like mad, and the companies are behind them. Good luck I guess.

I only am behind pedal assist of course.
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 @zeyore: that remains to be seen.
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 I find the "emtb content filtering" message to be hilarious... Apparently Pinkbikers need a trigger warning
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 Nah, let's just call it a throttle warning.
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 Love the negativity in all this. Bikes are bikes, enjoy them all. I rode some enduro trails 20 miles and 4000 ft of elevation over 3 hours on my Analog bike, went home had lunch and then rode some moto trails with another friend for 34 miles and 5100ft on an Ebike in ECO mode in about 2 hours. Any educated person will know that second ride was a better full body workout. Even better was doing both rides in one day with different friends.
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 Seems like a fun bike. I may have missed this, but what is SRAM SX? Is it one step down from NX or is it e-bike specific?
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 it is just cheaper, no e-bike specific
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 It's the new groupset SRAM quietly introduced back in may. It fits under NX in the range and will be OE specced on a lot of 2020 bikes.
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 It's a garbage drivetrain that shouldnt be on any bike over $2000, yet still is
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 How important are drive chain components on an e-bike anyway?
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 @nordland071285: You mean on a bike with a bb mounted motor like we have here?
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 @nordland071285: even moreso with the extra power
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 There are pics of e-framesets here, but why doesn’t Cannondale (and all the other e-bike manufacturers) offer framesets as well as complete builds???
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 It's a legal thing. Ebike speeds are very tightly regulated and the combination of frame and wheels need to be calibrated together, so unless companies start working with shops directly on custom options (which would probably be both complicated and expensive) then I wouldn't expect to see that change anytime soon.
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 H.R. Giger would love the black version
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 Ha ha can you imagine an H.R. Giger Edition of a bike? "What the hell, it's just a bunch of dicks!"
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 Talk about horrible spec. Holy shit this is bad. Like very very bad
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 cannondale have the cheapest and weakest frames that crack with ease. Owned by a big company that ownes many compaines they don't have any R&D. worst frame every made.
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 Who else thinks that Pike looks like a skinny 1990's 28mm stanchioned fork on that frame?!
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 I like how they quote the price in euros. Even though I still can't afford it, for a brief moment, it seems like I need less money than I actually do.
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 Does anyone know where the video was shot? Is that Scotland? Looks really good.
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 All I did was watch the video to see if this e-bike "rode like a mountain bike." However, she rides differently (better) than I do, so it was hard to tell. Great riders are fun to watch, but I think more of the content of reviews should be aimed at average riders.
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 It is interesting to see how eagle handle ebikes duties, and why the hell put xo/x1 cassette on the ebike?

Shimano does much better job in this case
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 Calling BS on those standover heights. Looks like the numbers for effective toptube got put there by accident.
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 I say if EBikes are still illegal in some trail systems especially out here in SoCal or anywhere around the USA then a review should be held off for now till things get legalized just my two cents. It’s cool that bike companies are coming out with this but if you can’t ride it anywhere what’s the point of writing a review?
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 Legal in BC...mountain biking capital of the world
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 @ThunderChunk: lucky man we have laws after laws after laws
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 Theres no reason kids should ride e-bikes
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 Why no e-Lefty?
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 Left-ee?
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 I don't quite get how pinkbike has decided that this bike is targeted at beginners........
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 This is more us just conveying the message that Cannondale gave. They also directed the bike at XC riders and people venturing into their first ebike, not just bike in general.
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 And so it begins..... E mtb reviews on pink bike.
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 Have you not been on for a while?
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 @fatduke: what is your comment trying to imply?
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 @tigerteeuwen: Hmmmm, maybe that you're a bit slow?
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 @tigerteeuwen: that E-mtb reviews have been on pinkbike for a while now.
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 @fatduke: you're right actually. I didn't realize how many have trickled through, did a quick search :-/

I guess the best way to boil a frog is to do it gradually.
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 @tigerteeuwen: no worries.
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 These new motor bikes are getting pushed on us by some powerful players. Shame.
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 455mm chainstay, that’s pretty impressive, might require two chains ...
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 Can we just ignore it.... and it'll go away?
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 I’ll be interested in e-bikes when they weigh about 10lbs less than they do now. Another 5 years or so?
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 Or another $5K or so...
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 The Invacar if the MTB world
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 Trash
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 EMTB will be the new standard for MTB.
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