Specialized's designers had one goal in mind when they starting working on the next generation of the Demo: create the world's fastest downhill race bike. “More R&D, more engineering, and more research has gone into this bike than any other bike we've ever made,” says Brad Benedict, Specialized's mountain bike product manager.
That's a lofty statement, but four years of athlete input and constant refinement adds up. Aaron Gwin, Troy Brosnan, and Loris Vergier all provided input during their stints on the Specialized DH team, and now feedback is being delivered by Loic Bruni and Finn Iles.
Demo 29 Details• Wheel size: 29"
• Rear wheel travel: 200
• Aluminum frame
• 62.7° head angle
• 12x148mm rear spacing
• 450mm chainstays
• Sizes: S2, S3, S4
• Price: $5,000 - $6,500 USD. Frame only: $2,500
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www.specialized.com All of that input has culminated in the bike pictured here, an aluminum, 29”-wheeled machine with 200 millimeters of travel. It still uses a Horst Link suspension design, but significant changes have been made to alter the bike's ride characteristics in order to meet the needs of elite racers.
The Demo Race 29 is priced at $6,500 USD, and is spec'd with Öhlins' DH38 fork and TTX shock, SRAM X01 DH drivetrain, and Code RSC brakes.
There's also an Expert 29 model for $5,000 that comes with a RockShox BoXXer Select 29 and Super Deluxe coil, along with a SRAM GX DH drivetrain and Code R brakes. The frame only with an Ohlins rear shock is available for $2,500 USD.
Where's the mixed wheel size option? That's a good question, especially since that seems to be the setup Finn and Loic prefer – Loic's piloted his race bike to three World Cup victories so far this year. When the Demo was being developed, the UCI rule that stipulated riders had to be on equal sized wheels was still in place. That's no longer the case, hence all of the experimentation. On the topic of a future mixed-wheel option, Specialized's answer is, “We'll see.”
Specialized's impressive in-house machine shop allows them to quickly create frame parts in order to test ideas out in the real world, like this custom link for Loic Bruni.
Designing the DemoIn order to achieve that goal of creating the fastest bike possible, Specialized's designers worked on improving three main areas: momentum carry, braking, and comfort.
Momentum carry refers to the bike's ability to maintain its speed, even when it's being plowed through rock gardens or braking bumps. Making the switch from 27.5” to 29” wheels was an easy first step, but creating a big-wheeled version of the previous Demo wasn't going to be enough. The Horst Link suspension layout was completely re-designed in order to improve the bike's axle path, anti-squat, and anti-rise numbers - more on that stuff below.
During the development process, Specialized's engineers employed a number of tactics in order to quantify what test riders were feeling out on the trail. Those tactics included the use of pedals with sensors installed in them that measure the forces reaching a rider's feet, and a floating brake apparatus that made it possible to experiment with varying amounts of anti-rise.
The new design is no longer one-sided, and the shock is situated as low in the frame as possible. In addition, the main pivot no longer rotates around the bottom bracket – instead, it's located just in front of the top of the chain ring. It's a layout that's intended to help minimize the amount of side loading on the shock, and the fact that it's now trunnion mounted allows for an increased amount of bushing overlap.
Refining the Demo's suspension kinematics may have been the main goal, but Specialized's designers didn't overlook the important frame features for a DH race bike. The rear brake line is internally routed, but there are also cable guide mounts on the outside of the frame that make it possible to run it externally as well. The Demo uses a 12x148mm rear hub, rather than the 12x157mm that's more commonly found on downhill bikes. That allows for a slightly narrower rear end, and it also means that the rear wheel from a trail bike will work in a pinch. Other features include a threaded bottom bracket, a rubber downtube protector, and the raised chainslap guard that first showed up on the new Stumpjumper.
Axle PathPreviously, the Demo's rear wheel began moving forward relatively quickly after encountering a bump, much to the consternation of a certain Pinkbike
commenter. The new suspension configuration addresses this trait, made it possible for Specialized to give the bike a more rearward axle path, although we're talking about a few millimeters here, as opposed to the more dramatic rearward axle paths found on high-pivot bikes. Going that route was considered but then scrapped due to the extra complication and drivetrain drag that it would have incurred.
The rear wheel may only move a few millimeters to the rear before heading forward, but it also doesn't move as far forward as before. That means it won't be as close to the seat (and the rider) when the bike reaches the end of its travel, which is an important consideration on a 29er.
Anti-Squat and Leverage RatioIn the past, Specialized's trail and DH bikes have had relatively low anti-squat numbers, and leverage ratios that weren't all that progressive. That's all changed with the new Demo. The leverage ratio is much more progressive, the amount of anti-squat has increased by 300%, and the amount of anti-rise increased by 70%.
Let's start with the leverage ratio. If you follow World Cup DH racing at all, there's a good chance you've seen a picture of the custom links that Specialized's racers were using over that last few years. Those links were designed to give the bike more bottom-out resistance than the stock configuration, which was relatively linear. In other words, there wasn't a whole lot of ramp up as the shock reached the end of its stroke. That shouldn't be an issue anymore, thanks to the Demo's 31.4% leverage ratio progression.
According to Specialized, they didn't specifically set out to increase the amount of anti-squat. Instead, it was a beneficial byproduct of changes to the instant center location and axle path. The amount of anti-squat is now over 100% in all gear ratios, which should make the bike less likely to bob up and down when a rider is really mashing on the pedals.
The amount of anti-rise, the bike's resistance to pitching forward during hard braking, now sits at 50%, which should keep the back end a little more planted in steep sections when the brakes are applied.
GeometryAlong with the changes to the suspension, the Demo's geometry has also been tweaked. Any guesses as to what the changes were? That's right, it's longer and slacker... But it's not lower. In fact, the BB was raised slightly to improve pedal clearance – that last thing you want during a race run is to smack a pedal at 40mph and get tossed off the bike.
The reach has increased by 5mm per size, and Specialized has switched over to their S naming scheme. Rather than having a Medium, Long, and X-Long, there are now S2, S3, and S4 size, which have reach numbers of 425, 445, and 465mm respectively. Those numbers are fairly typical, but the one thing that's missing is an option for taller riders. I'd consider a 465mm reach a size large, which means that riders who are over 6' tall or so will likely want something even longer.
The chainstay length has also increased significantly, and it now sits at 450mm vs. the 430mm length of the previous version. The headtube angle is .8-degrees slacker, at 62.7-degrees. There are a number of downhill bikes on the market with multiple axle and shock mount positions, and even the prototypes of the Demo had some adjustment, but there aren't any flip-chips to be seen on the final product, and the geometry is fixed in one position.
First RideI'm still in the early stages of getting acquainted with the new Demo, but I was able to get in some lap on the new bike at Dry Hill, located in Port Angeles, Washington. It's a classic Pacific Northwest race venue, one that's hosted countless exciting DH battles over the years. The tracks weren't wildly technical, but there were plenty of good corners and short, steep pitches to start getting a feel for the bike. As an added bonus, the dirt was as good as it gets.
I'd been riding an S3 sized Stumpjumper EVO, so I figured it made sense to start with an S3 Demo. Turns out, that wasn't the size for me. It felt like I was perched on top of the bike, rather than having room to maneuver. Once I looked at a geometry chart I could see exactly why - an S3 Stumpy EVO has a reach of 475mm, while an S3 Demo's reach is 445mm. I switched to the S4, which has a 465mm reach and instantly felt much more at home. It was easier to carry speed, and I didn't have to make as many body position adjustments to find the sweet spot when cornering or dropping into steeper section of trail.
The new Demo has a nicely balanced feel to it in regards to both the overall geometry and the weight of the bike. There's plenty of speed on tap, thanks in part to the 29" wheels, but there's more to it than that. On the more chewed up, rooty sections of trail all I had to do was drop my heels and hang on - the bike would plow right through it all without any hanging up or unwanted harshness from the back end. Cornering stability was excellent as well - the longer chainstays and the low center of gravity make it extremely satisfying to really push hard into a bermed turn.
I'll be spending a bunch more time on the Demo over the coming months in order to really dig into its handling characteristics, and to see how that Ohlins suspension stacks up. My first impressions are that Specialized has created a very worthy successor to the previous Demo, one that should meet the needs of everyone from grassroots racers and park rats all the way up to the top pros. That is, unless you're looking for an extra-large frame size.
There is plenty of people out there taller than me too, they will 100% have to look else where.
At 5'11", the reviewer feels their biggest bike is on the small size for him.
"Bro, what size is this,feels a little small?"
"Uh..I...I really have no idea..Super Bruni?"
They did got the Ant-Squat checked though.
1) I guarantee you Super Bruni gets a custom frame. If he needs a longer reach, he gets a longer reach.
2) Super Bruni isn't that tall, according to the web, he's 180 CM, or 5'10". I'm 6 inches taller than him, I guarantee you I want a bigger bike than he rides.
I’m currently on the commencal supreme 29 , and it’s pretty good .
Replaced my s works demo x long
The more speed the better the bike feels. In steep switchbacks the bike is tough to maneuver, but this is probably because of skills and not the bike. As second, Bronson CC 2016 XL feels much better sized for trails.
I'm less than average height, but would definately pick extra long sized demo.
Hmm... harder to explain in English than I thought - does that reference to the center of gravity make any sense? What I meant is, if a bike goes down a steep slope, the rider has to move his weight backwards, therefore the distance to the handlebar grows.
The S4 is only 6mm shorter then XXL SC and M29.
I'm currently on a 76 deg advertised, 75 deg effective (at seat height) with the seat slammed as forward as possible and I'd go steeper rather than slacker.
And yeah I know you're 6 3,just like me, so i can't imagine how you can say 450 is enough reach (which is a stupid measurement taken by itself, seat tube angle and top tube length tell a better story of bike fit). I've been on 460 before (large Reign) and it was horrible. I finally have a bike that fits me. My riding has improved massively from the day I got the new bike.
Slack seat tube angles need to DIE.
Sure some riders prefer shorter bikes (Rude is a great example) but you also have Leigh Johnson on a Pole with a 535mm reach. Its rider preference, not some overly broad generalization or comparison to a sport that has very little in common.
It's not like any of you is going have thier opinions changed, just getting more and more sad really.
And like I said, my riding has drastically improved going from 460 reach to 520 mm of reach. Everywhere (up and down) but in the tightest switchbacks which aren't my forte anyways. In really really tight stuff it is harder, but it's just more incentive to learn the front pivot.
Biggest thing about these super long 29 DH bikes if they are not easy to ride fast and smooth. You have to really lean them, set up your corners differently and lay off the brakes. If you are not a good rider you lose a TON of speed in the corners and they are not fun. These are not for your average park cruiser and they can be frustrating to ride. They take time to adjust to. Like most Pinkbike commenters I could be racing world cups if I wasn’t spending all my time hanging with models so it isn’t a problem for me, but I can see how many people will hate this bike. (Even if they don’t admit it publicly) If you are not a good rider it will feel ungainly and slow.
I also didn’t realize that the average height of a Pinkbike reader is 6’6”.
29 wheels realy makes harder to bunnyhop/manual (said BB drop) and to whip. And maybe this mythical tire buzz, but I have never experienced it. Other than this, they are better. If you cannot corner on a 29er, then you simply cannot corner.
And yet our racers swapped out the rear wheel for a 27.5 and it made the bike faster than the wheel it was designed around.
LOL
Mind:Blown
Meanwhile, YT of 3 years ago is like...nah, I'll hold my own beer.
If/when I get another DH bike, I'd prefer a 650b since I'm not racing, and they are just a tad more durable and lighter than 29 inch wheels.
Pole and Nicolai don't sell it as a gimmick since they have done a lot of testing beforehand. Of course, you can always size down if you don't want the added reach.
If the frame is made well then this geometry won't cause problems. I see the fork snapping off before the head tube does.
2nd // Troy BROSNAN // AUS // 700
3rd // Amaury PIERRON // FRA // 605
4th // Danny HART // GBR // 565
5th // Loris VERGIER // FRA // 482
2x 29,
2x 29/27.5
1x 27.5
Perhaps wheel size is just relative to rider size?
WHAT. THE. EFFF.
Now trailbikes use DH spacing (aka superboost), DH bikes use trail spacing (boost), and random bikes use road bike spacing (135?). Makes total sense.
When will the hub spacing madness end?!?!?!?!
#MakeAluminumGreatAgain
- aluminum frame
- not super long and slack
- 15mm* x 148mm rear hub spacing
- no asymmetrical frame
- threaded BB
- 2.3" rear tire
*per spesh's website, not 12mm @mikekazimer
Also, extra long reach 465.... seems tight!
And the DH bike is meant to be ridden in downhills only, where you put your weght more rearward relative to the BB to balance your weight on the wheels.
@bigburd : To be honest, I would not want a mixed wheel sized bike. I'll either take a full 29er or a full 27.5 for the wheel, spoke, tire, etc. simplicity.
There was a lot of talk about how good Commencal's flexible swing arm was... something that may be easier to do with aluminum than carbon, as aluminum is a more "damp" material. Or it could just be they do it because aluminum is cheaper. Who the heck knows
Looks like there are a bunch of kinds.
I used to be a big advocate for ultra low bbs, but really its the ratio of bb height to total wheelbase thats more important. For all of you that rode the original enduro 29er, you know of what I speak. High BB combined with a short wheelbase is a recipe for distaster. These longer bikes ride just fine with higher bbs.
Also , your current racers from whom youre getting real feedback are on the mullet bike ... if it works better for them and allow them to ride at a faster pace, why not sell THAT same bike ?
What a joke , get bent Specialized
The slack headangle limit is around 63-63.5º.
If you use your eyes you’ll see anyone in this thread bitching about it not being big enough for anyone tall. My trail bike has 10mm more reach than this DH bike.
Speaking of inclusivity and downhill bikes is comical. I bet Specialized is going to sell less than 2,000 units of this bike. Like it’s completely unrelated to the average rider of any sort.
If only it had a bottlecage, I would buy it, add an air shock, 180mm fork (-1deg headangle) and call it a uberenduro. Wait, I hope I am not giving them ideas now...
Whats up with this Protour guy?
I think that’s right...
Yeah, it's a bike, has 2 wheels and a system to activate a shock in the middle of the frame. At this point it will always look like something else more or less. What is the problem with it?
Wat. Where’d that number come from?
Looks exactly like a 2018 Banshee Legend to me. So how much research exactly?
approached differently. I don't do, just trail ride at 5'6" I prefer a medium smalls are too, uh small. The longer wheelbase and additional reach helps with stability at speed. Obviously getting suspension dialed is key. More rebound damping helps to stabilize the bike lending to more predictability. A mere mortals observation after 30 yrs of mtb, ya feel me?