First Ride: 2021 Propain Hugene - More Travel, More Capable

Feb 2, 2021
by Ralf Hauser  


When Propain first introduced the Hugene in 2018, it was their first foray into the world of 29ers and also the first model where the shock moved from behind the seat tube to its current location inside the main triangle of the frame for better protection. Its reception from riders from all over the world was quite enthusiastic and its improvements have since then trickled into other model categories at Propain.

In the meantime, their enduro and freeride models have progressed in terms of geometry and other neat features, with the team at Propain also listening to feedback from riders on how to improve on their trail model in the meantime, so we're coming full circle to giving the Hugene a face lift in 2021.

While Propain is officially listing the bike inside the trail category, in a brief discussion with the engineers we came to the conclusion that the definition of a riding category is somewhat of a philosophical affair. So call it tour, trail, all-mountain or whatever, the Hugene is supposed to cater to riders looking for a lighter weight, snappy and capable climber, without disappointing on the downhills.
Propain Hugene Details
• Intended use: trail
• Wheel size: 29"
• Rear wheel travel: 140mm
• Blend carbon frame
• 65.5° head angle (65.1° with 150mm fork)
• 76.5° seat angle (76.1° with 150mm fork)
• 445mm chainstays
• Frame weight (w/o shock): 2,300g
• 12 x 148mm rear spacing
• Sizes: S-XL
• Price: €3,399 - €8,398 (US $ TBD)
• Colors: Safari (matte), Petrol Dark (gloss), Carbon Raw (gloss)
www.propain-bikes.com

The new Hugene now sports an extra 10mm of travel in the rear, going from 130 to 140mm, with an updated geometry and suspension kinematics, as well as lighter frame weight, to take the bike to the next level.






Frame Details

With 29" wheels front and rear, the Hugene is available as a carbon model only. The Hugene's weight was an important factor for Propain, to further cement its separation to the other bigger-hit bikes in their lineup.

As always, Propain uses its Blend Carbon technology, making use of various carbon materials with different properties that are best suited for the job at certain areas of the frame. Depending on the requirements of stiffness, flexibility, impact resistance, weight, strength or stress direction, different fibers and cloths are used and combined to create a unique blend. In regard to the Hugene's specific needs, a higher percentage of fibers with high-tensile strength than on other models was implemented, allowing them to work with fewer layers of carbon fiber without sacrificing stiffness.

Furthermore, Propain has optimized the frame structure using straighter tubes to reduce stress onto the frame. Gone is the old extra strut connection seat and top tube. The upper link is now also made from carbon fiber, shedding some extra weight. As an end-result, they were able to chip 300 grams off the old version, tipping the scale at 2,300g for a size S frame without shock (size L comes in at 2,400g).

The Hugene features internal cable routing with routing channels. New clips that are directly clipped to the ouside of the cables at all the exits keep the cables from unwanted back and forth movement within the frame. These cable clips will also be available aftermarket for owners of other Propain frames that should experience issues with that. Like on the new Spindrift, the cables are routed cleanly on top of the bottom bracket, compared to underneath like on the Tyee.


The upper link is now made from carbon, saving weight.
A floating shock setup is driving the virtual pivot suspension.

Clips keep the cables in check.

The rear triangle is formed asymmetrically, with only the left-hand side directly connecting the lower link to the upper link while unifying the rear triangle. The shock is relatively easy to gain access to, with room for adjustment or lockout levers. Most common air shocks are compatible and Propain has deliberately not focused on fitting coil- or downhill-specific shocks, as it would negate the Hugene's intended category of riding.

The frame also features a threaded bottom bracket with Propain's own system for attaching ISCG mounts, by sliding an ISCG adapter onto a counter-piece of the bike's aluminum bottom bracket insert. That way, if a bash guard is mounted, impact forces are spread over a larger area, protecting the frame. Also, if the mounts get damaged they can easily be replaced.

Replaceable bash guard.
Still a pre-production item here, the final chainstay protector will be formed from different materials.

Oh look, water bottle cage mounts.
Oh look, more mounts for small tools or similar.

A replaceable bash guard is protecting the lower part of the down tube, pulling all the way back to the bottom bracket area. A custom chainstay guard made up of different materials with raised ribs keeps the noise down and partly guides the shifting cable into the chainstay.
Extra seals, dubbed Propain Dirt Shields, are protecting the underlying Acros bearings from dust, water and dirt.

A water bottle mount for a full-size bottle is in place on the down tube, with another mount sitting on the lower side of the top tube for aftermarket tool kits or similar small add-ons. A SRAM UDH universal derailleur hanger makes the sourcing of replacements easy.

The Hugene is available in the colors Safari (matte), Petrol Dark (gloss) and Carbon Raw (gloss). The decals and even badge color can be specified. Nice touch: the carbon upper link is also painted in the frame color.

Propain is known for testing their frames beyond the mandatory standards, even certifying the Hugene to higher category 4 (all-mountain and enduro) standards. There's a five-year guarantee on the frame with a crash replacement option.

Propain Dirt Shields provide an extra layer of protection for the bearings.

Plenty of tire clearance.

Formula Cura brakes have been added to Propain's brake options.
Air shocks only for the Hugene.

Geometry

With geometry constantly progressing, Propain has extended the reach for each frame size by 20mm (S: 430mm, M:455mm, L: 480mm, XL: 505mm).

In order to give riders more options for running longer travel dropper seat posts or maybe to even give them the chance to ride a larger frame if they prefer to, Propain has shortened the seat post length between 10 to 20mm, depending on the frame size, while improving the insertion depth as much as possible.

To make the Hugene an even better climber, its seat angle has been steepened by 1.5 degrees, and now sits at 76.5 degrees. The seat angle is still slightly slacker than on Propain's bigger travel models, since less travel and sag on the Hugene doesn't lower the saddle as much when weighted.

At the same time, Propain has slackened the head angle by a full 2 degrees; it now measures 65.5° with a 140mm travel fork. With the chainstay length remaining at 445mm for all sizes on the 29er, Propain was shooting for improved balance overall. When picking the option of equipping the bike with a 150mm fork, all angles slacken by 0.4 degrees, with the bottom bracket lifting by 4mm.





Suspension Design

Propain's PRO10 virtual pivot system with a floating shock alignment is a proven system and has been tweaked for the new Hugene. Its anti-squat value has been increased from 100% to 113% at 30% sag over the last version. Also, the progression of the suspension has been slightly improved, with more mid-stroke support to keep the suspension from rushing through the travel too easily.

Even though the travel has grown from 130 to 140mm on the new bike, by switching to a longer 210 x 50mm stroke shock (from a 190 x 45mm model), they were able to minimally lower the average leverage ratio to 2.8 : 1.





Specifications

Thanks to Propain's elaborate online configurator you have plenty of components to choose from, starting with three different base specs: Start, Performance and Highend.

SRAM shifting components, suspension from Fox or RockShox, Stan's NoTubes, Newmen or Crankbrothers wheels, Schwalbe tires, SRAM, Magura or Formula brakes and various Sixpack components are all in the mix.

Complete bike weights for the different packages are listed at 13.6kg for the Start configuration, 13.1kg for Performance and 12.9kg for Highend.

Due to the worldwide pandemic with shipping costs going through the roof and lead times listed in months and not days anymore, Propain was forced to raise their prices slightly. In the big picture, their value for money is still outstanding. Prices for the Hugene's Start package begin at €3,399, €4549 for Performance and €7,164 for Highend. If you picked the cream of the crop components, the most money you can leave in the store is €8,398.

My test bike was based on the Performance package but I ended up opting for different suspension (price is calculated with the Fox 34 Factory FIT4), brakes and wheels, bringing the total to a price tag of €4,949. Expanding into the North American markets is still a work in progress at Propain, with the end goal of offering a similar structure, spec list and benefits to the end consumer compared to what's available in Europe. US pricing has still not been determined - this article will be updated once it's available.

The new Hugene will be available for order at www.propain-bikes.com from February 2nd, 2021 onward. Delivery is planned for mid to end of April in Europe. It should be available in North America in May.



Highend package, Safari color.

Performance package, Petrol Dark color
Start package, Carbon Raw color.




I've ridden the latest versions of the Tyee and Spindrift, so it wasn't really surprising that I felt instantly at home jumping on the Hugene, which shares most of the company's latest design philosophies across the lineup.

Since I haven't ridden the previous version of the Hugene I can't comment on how the added 10mm of travel impact the bike's overall handling in comparison. I can't imagine it to be any sort of problem, though, as I consider Propain's suspension kinematics to be some of the most refined out there these days, especially when it comes to efficiency.

The composure of the rear end's function while climbing is truly impressive. It's hard to notice any kind of suspension movement on even ground or when grinding up a smooth fire road. On the other hand, as soon as there are even some smaller surface irregularities littering the ground the suspension smooths out the ride and takes the edge off of hits without negatively impacting your pedaling. Even during short sprints or pushing harder when out of the saddle, the rear end doesn't dip into the travel like a spoon into jello.



My test bike's DPX2 shock didn't come with a position-lever to firm up the suspension but all production models will be equipped with that feature. I can see how this option is considered a must for a bike of this category, not that it really needs it.

I can't really fault Propain's argument that due to the rear end not being compressed as much when weighted, the seat angle doesn't need to be quite as steep as on longer travel bikes. The climbing position and pedaling characteristics of the Hugene feel efficient, but since I'm a really big fan of steeper seat tubes I still ended up pushing the saddle forward a bit to really feel at home. Personal preference and individual anatomy do come into play in that regard.

Being used to usually riding heavier bikes, it's always a nice treat to push along a lighter breed of bike. While sitting at 13.5 kg (29.8 lb) without pedals for my test bike, the Hugene still won't be mistaken for a cross-country race machine (and is not trying to be one), but the lightweight frame offers plenty of possibility to drop some weight in the overall package if that's a concern.

Propain lists the Highend package at 12.9kg, which sounds like a believable number, and without a piggyback shock and swapping the Schwalbe tires to something lighter you could easily trim the bike to drop below 12.5kg, which isn't really that easy these days.

I'd be lying if I said that I'd have any tendencies to be the first one up the hill, but during the few times I tried to push a bit harder, the Hugene did give me the feeling that it propelled me up the hill without much effort (even with soft compound tires) and would have done well in Mike Levy's efficiency test. It's one of those rare bikes that gives you the feeling that you can just pedal for hours on end, no matter where the trail leads you - up as much as down the hill. Something like Comfortably Numb in Whistler comes to mind, where the Hugene would sit on top of the list of bikes I would love to take out there one day.


Whether you consider the Hugene to be more of a trail or all-mountain bike is up to you and probably also depends a bit on the components you equip the bike with. Since there are no flimsy parts from the configurator to choose from that would overly sacrifice performance, I'm not afraid to say that whatever spec you choose, the Hugene will be incredibly capable on the downhills for a bike of its travel class.

It excels at fast and flowy tracks and loves to be popped off roots or smaller jumps here and there. It's even confidence-inspiring down slower-speed steep terrain. Only when the track becomes fast and furious do you notice that you're on a bike with a little less travel, receiving more feedback through the pedals at bigger hits compared to a longer travel bike.

However, even on rougher trails the bike mostly remains composed and tracks the ground nicely, delivering a more planted feeling than you might expect, not giving you the feeling of harsh bottom outs, even if the little o-ring on the suspension tells you that you've used all of your travel. Thanks to a highly progressive suspension setup with plenty of mid-stroke support, the Hugene can handle harder hits without too much of an issue - all considered that this is intended as a trail bike.

With the test bike's DPX2 shock setup it would even be possible to easily adjust the leverage curve to a less or more progressive setup, as the bike is shipped with the 0.4" volume spacer inside, giving you the option to tune the suspension curve both ways.

As far as handling goes, the new Hugene never feels sluggish and is plenty responsive, with its low standover height making it easy to throw the bike from one corner into the next. I like mullet setups, but it makes sense for the Hugene to be a 29er only. As balanced as it handles, and with the bigger wheels' better rollover capabilities there is no need to tinker.

As winter riding teaches you, since there is no extra brace between the seat stays and plenty of room at the chainstay connection, mud clearance is excellent.


Having criticized the seat tube lengths on Propain's other bikes in the past, I'm glad that the engineers have started to cut down lengths to also allow smaller riders to pick telescopic posts with more drop or maybe even stepping up to a bigger frame size if they wish to. In my personal perfect scenario the lengths could be even shorter if the insertion depth would correlate, but we're now sitting at a level that should offer a broad range of riders some more options.

Not being the tallest rider myself at 168cm, I was able to run a Bike Yoke post with 160mm drop without an issue, with even a bit of room to spare. It would be possible to sink that post down all the way to its collar.

If you really want to rip the downhills, you can also spec the Hugene with a Fox 36 Factory Grip2 with 150mm of travel, slackening the angles by 0.4 degrees and raising the bottom bracket slightly. Even though the 34's downhill performance with Grip2 damping is quite impressive, I can see that the Hugene with more front wheel travel and slightly slacker head angle can be even more appealing to a gravity-driven crowd, so it's nice to get that option.

Luckily, we seem to move past the time when limited amounts of travel and questionable old-school geometries were resulting in sketchy handling bikes. The Hugene is a great example of how you can build a rather lightweight and efficient climber that is also a blast to ride on most downhills.






134 Comments

  • 122 3
 Thanks for watching and don’t for forget to use the code “REMY21” to make this bike available during a global pandemic.
  • 21 0
 What about the ''ATWILL21'' discount code?
  • 28 0
 @gapos999: Always take the Remy line
  • 16 1
 @mrpfp: Sorry buddy, both are impossible!!!
I can only follow on youtube...
  • 49 0
 On the top of my list. Fantastic bike. Great geometry,build and weight at a great price. This is what I want on a trail bike.
  • 45 11
 I only wish they hadn’t increased the travel; 130mm was perfect. Model bloat seems to have left the automotive world and is now descending on mountain bikes.
  • 10 0
 @ninjatarian: My exact thought. Ive been looking for the shorter travel frame
  • 4 48
flag rrolly (Feb 2, 2021 at 6:30) (Below Threshold)
 I know weight isn't everything, but 29 lbs without pedals on this? My 2019 Sight (140/160mm) with coil, Z1 fork, and flats is lighter. Where'd the extra weight come from on this?
  • 46 0
 @rrolly: This is lighter than any Santa Cruz or Yeti competitor. Absolutely nothing to complain about in the weight category here. There is also no way your 2019 Sight is sub 29 pounds with coil suspension. The stock carbon version is 31 without pedals and air suspension. You're probably adding a pound-ish for the sus bringing you to 32. If you upgrade the drivetrain to holy hell and swap on some carbon bars.... you could drop a pound back to 31, swap on some inappropriate xc tires, and you might get under 30... continue that trend with a set of high end carbon rims, and you can maybe save another half pound. How are you achieving a coil sprung bike 29er under 29 pounds?
  • 2 23
flag rrolly (Feb 2, 2021 at 6:47) (Below Threshold)
 @Maestroman87: Mine is a 27.5. I have literally weighed it. It's just over 29. And that's with a 2.6 tire front 2.4 rear. Granted it's full xtr, but still coil and fork should balance that out.
  • 36 1
 @rrolly: pics or it didn't happen.
  • 13 2
 @ARonBurgundy: Will do. I'll be listing it soon as I need a slightly bigger frame. I won it from Ryan Leech, so maybe it's got some magic helium in all the parts to make it lighter. lol
  • 3 0
 @slayersxc17: Druid. Fanatik has them in stock...
  • 53 0
 @rrolly: That extra weight probably comes from a correctly working scale.
  • 6 2
 @rrolly: I'm on a 2020 Santa Cruz Hightower with a pretty blingy build (X01 drivetrain, top drawer RockShox suspension, Reynolds carbon wheels, blahblahblah) which replaced a 2018 Hightower LT. The LT frame was considerably lighter than the new lower link version, but even so that bike weighed 31ish lbs depending on the tires. I actually haven't weighed the new bike because it's definitely heavier but I don't want to know how much!

Even with the extra weight, it is better everywhere than the LT - up, down, or sideways.
  • 7 2
 @Ttimer: lol - entirely possible.
  • 1 3
 @rrolly: no it’s not
  • 4 0
 @ninjatarian: Grab a Forbidden Druid then. Smile
  • 3 0
 @fullendurbro: cant go wrong with a druid.
  • 2 1
 @ninjatarian: @ninjatarian: Read it again maybe? The website mentions a 130/140mm r and 140/150mm f travel option. Different stroke on the shock. You just pop in a spacer. The frame is 300g lighter than the V1 Hugene. So your comment doesn‘t really make sense to me. You are right on cars though...
  • 2 0
 @Maestroman87: it's easy to achieve if you use a poorly calibrated scale.
  • 5 0
 @rrolly: What tyres? Any sensible tyre for this class of bike weighs 950 - 1050 grams. I am also struggling to see how you can claim sub 29 lbs on a 2019 Sight (having had 2018, 2019 and 2020 Sights).
  • 7 1
 @Maestroman87: i agree that weight isn't everything... but my 2018 Yeti SB5.5 weighs 26.4lbs (magic mary 2.35 and noby nic 2.35 tires and pedals included)

i dont get why these newer bikes are getting so heavy.... (including yeti)
  • 7 1
 @adamkovics: I think now we ride faster and harder and frames construction reflect that, need more material in key places to deliver more strength, stiffness and durability.
  • 6 0
 @ybsurf: agree. i'm guessing that's why the newer bikes are heavier.

but i've ridden my 5.5 pretty hard and fast, in lots of places, over 4000miles so far, (including a few races) and i'm about 95ish kg and my frame has been fine.... (and it will break tomorrow, now that i said that)
  • 3 0
 @adamkovics: I do, to some degree agree with you and I have made similar comments in the past. I had a 2012 Scott Genius LT with 185/180 travel that weight under 30 lbs stock. Granted this was a 26" wheel bike but still. Bikes have gotten heavy partly due to geometry getting bigger, wheels getting bigger, and tires getting bigger. Longer droppers are adding a bit as well. Your Yeti is listed as 28.5 pounds without pedals stock so you must have upgraded extensively to drop nearly 3 pounds with the pedals included. I find that a lot of people like to pride themselves on a smaller weight figure than reality based on a crappy home scale.... the same people tend to say that their 35 pound, beefed up Enduro bike climbs better than whatever XC bike.... I guess we are all delusional in some ways though.
  • 1 0
 @Maestroman87: I have the park tool scale that lots of shops use. it's accurate. (though haven't calibrated it recently)

but yeah. i built the bike frame up, and it's nowhere near stock. (other than the frame, the dpx2 shock, and the fox 36)

oh, and i built it with 11spd xx1, instead of eagle. that's part of it too.

but i didn't use any truly "weight weeny" components.... I'm big and heavy enough to know that I can't do that and actually ride the bike. i'd be happy to share the component list.
  • 2 0
 @adamkovics: 11 speed certainly drops some weight. I don't doubt your weight as I have seen SB6's at the 28 pound mark with little effort.
  • 1 0
 @ninjatarian: 100% agree 130mm is the sweet spot!! pedaling and descending.
  • 4 0
 @andrewbikeguide: Will check again today and post. Absolutely willing to eat my words if I am, or my scale is, off.
  • 1 0
 @rrolly: Bumped, curious to see.
  • 26 0
 @andrewbikeguide: @Rooivalk16 Alright - bike is re-weighed........my scale was off. haha! Now that my bike is 31 lbs, I'm going to ride so much slower. Dang. Sorry, people. I legit weighed it when I first got it and the number I got was 29.3, if I remember correctly.

Well, that was fun. . .
  • 11 0
 @rrolly: I had to log in so I could give you props for admitting your mistake.
More people need to learn this, respect.
  • 33 1
 Dunno. 430 reach with 445 cs on size small looks awkward. Should probably scale with sizes
  • 4 2
 This
  • 9 0
 my wife's Liv Intrigue has 446 CS with a 367 Reach. Can attest to the awkwardness this creates.
  • 1 0
 Those are some Hugene CS lengths, even on a medium!
  • 3 0
 yeah its a mist cahnce they didn t consider shorter cs
they are all the same lenght over all sizes and all their model alike. especially on a trailbike a bit shorter cs would have made all the sense in the world.
the cs length is the one part in bike geo that makes such a huge difference for the fit to the different riders.
the key for a fitting bike is that riders can weight both wheels equaly in a neutral riding position. a comfy neutral position however is not only dependend on riders hight but has many many variables like armlength, leglenght, shoulder width but even more flexibility and upper body strenght.
so the best and easiest way to make a bike that does fit a lot of riders would be variable chainstay length (plus relativily short seat tube so people have multiple sizes to choose from). its also not very comlicated to realize.
So i really think here bikebrands could really easily improve the fit of bikes for customers.
  • 22 0
 Bikes like this make me feel all warm and fuzzy inside. I live and ride hills and not mountains so I don’t need huge amounts of travel to cope with hour long descents. The thing is my hills can still be as steep and technical in parts to require similar geometry to a full on enduro rig
  • 9 0
 the fact is the majority of people on pink bike are in this position. what percentage lives on north shore trails. a small amount. I live in Edmonton. Anything more than 130 here is cumbersome.
  • 3 0
 This and the new normal Stumpjumper are really what most people really need- an lightweight trailbike.

Switching form 170/180mm to 140 was the best decision yet
  • 14 1
 The last company left not making their bikes in weird pastel colours. respect
  • 6 0
 Safari or petrol then? Banshee.
  • 12 0
 No comment about the Cura brake?
  • 9 0
 THIS! We unfortunately do not hear a lot about Formula brakes and forks although they are pretty good.
  • 3 0
 @AleG: meh... Been happy with those in my old spindrift, so i put curas on my fuel ex.... Could pull the lever to the grips and nothing happened (after bleeding them 10 Times). Send them to formula and waited over two months. My buddy had the same problem, but he waited over three months.
I would rather buy it with the mt5 and build a shigura. Never ridden a better Brake.
  • 3 0
 I corrected that for you:
"No comment about the Curva brake ?"

Only kidding, of course Smile
  • 1 0
 @Luc96: Ho well, I guess not all their products are up to the point. I've been running T1 Racing for almost 4 years and they have been perfect all around. No need to bleed except for normal bleeds, solid bite point, super powerful! My only complain would be that the disks "scream" a little too easily but they say this has been fixed with the new disk version released.
  • 3 0
 I was disappointed about this too. I’ve been running the Cura 4’s for a year and a half and they have been amazing. Unreal modulation, and more power than I ever need, even on long bike park descents (I only weight about 170lbs, but ride hard). I’ve had codes and shimano XT’s previously and I would never go back. Early generations of them had some issues with seals from what I heard, but I believe that’s been sorted for awhile now.

Next brake I’m planning to try will be the Hayes dominion A4. Had a chance to feel a set and it got me curious. Going to take a lot to pull me away from the Cura 4’s though.
  • 12 5
 If they made this in 27.5 would really be a SC Bronson Killer! Ideally alloy as a trail/jib/throwaround kind of bike
  • 1 1
 Not with that travel.
  • 11 0
 They did--it was called Tyee. You didn't buy one
  • 1 1
 yeah they missed the mark. I cant stand riding 29's.
  • 1 0
 @CircusMaximus: yeah it would need 10mm less.
  • 3 0
 Accidentaly downvoted, i really would like to see a really short travel 27.5 from them
  • 1 0
 @gorideyourbikeman:
Bronson is 150
  • 4 0
 @PROPAIN-Bicycles: hey guys, I want a Tyee so bad. How's the situation with UK right now? are the prices in your website the final price for UK too?

Also, we have Cycle2Work scheme, same as your JobRad. Can your bikes be bought under that scheme?

Cheers.
  • 10 0
 From the Propain website:

DO I NEED TO PAY CUSTOM DUTY?
Yes, currently we expect that you need to pay additional custom duty on your purchase. Until today we were not able to find out the exact custom duty. Importing a complete bike into the EU means 15% custom duty. We expect the UK setting up a similar tariff.

WHY DOES IT SHOW LOWER PRICES FOR UK CUSTOMERS SINCE JANUARY 2021 ON OUR SHOP?
From a trade union and customs point of view we need to treat our UK based customers as a “third state” since January 1st, 2021. Therefore, a UK customer doesn´t pay German VAT anymore. Communicated prices are not including VAT.

IS IT GENERALLY CHEAPER FOR ME WITHOUT VAT?
No. Important for our UK customers – although you do not have to pay the VAT when ordering the bike with us anymore, you must pay the import sales tax directly to the UK when we ship the bike to your home. VAT and import sales tax are probably equally expensive.
  • 7 0
 Thought the saddle specs read "SIXPACK Kazimer".
  • 3 0
 Kamikazimer
  • 7 0
 Propain are killing it this year!
  • 2 0
 Just a heads up to anyone in the UK thinking about buying one...

"Import sales tax will be additionally 20%. The prices communicated on our website for UK customers do not include VAT! In addition, we currently expect the custom duty being 14% on your purchase. Please keep in mind that you will have additional costs of VAT + CUSTOM DUTY!"

Maths isn't a strength but are they saying that if you build a £3500 performance build you need to add 20% Import sales tax (£700) then add VAT (£700) then your 14% custom duty (£490)?

So that build is now gonna cost you £5390 instead of a "still in the EU" £3500.

Wow.
  • 5 1
 There must be some "Propain Nightmares" now the Pendulum of brexit has swung...
  • 5 0
 My new Tyee is running a few weeks late already. Getting goods from the EU makes The Island we live on feel like it's Another Planet right now.
  • 3 0
 @terribleone1982: it really is a Slam in the face
  • 2 0
 @JonnyTheWeasel: I imagine this must be Salt in the Wounds for a Brexiteer. They promised you Witchcraft but reality shows there's Nothing for Free.
  • 5 1
 Switch out the 50 stroke shock for a 55 to get 157mm travel and make it HUGEne!
  • 4 0
 No? buy an enduro bike.
  • 2 0
 Think going 52.5 might be perfect. Likely won't bottom on the frame and get you 147mm.
  • 1 0
 @btjenki: Based on the anti-spuad curve if would still work perfectly on that front at 147mm.
  • 4 0
 "value for money is still outstanding" I wouldn't say so if I compare it to Radon or Rose.
Looks like a great bike though
  • 4 0
 This, it's just that many bike companies pricing seems to have catched on and nobody questions it anymore. But what did we expect, when consumers keep consuming. People defending nx builds, 3k is considered budget now
  • 1 0
 One of the photo captions reads "Air shocks only". Based on the leverage curve that gets more progressive towards the end of travel I would think coil shocks would be right at home on one of these frames.

Maybe that caption refers to Propain only offering air shocks for OEM builds.
  • 2 0
 Check out the clearance in the photo. It's probably referring to the likelihood of there being no room for a coil shock.
  • 1 0
 @thefazz: Ah, yea good point
  • 1 0
 A Cane Creek inline might fit, if youre lucky.
  • 1 0
 I've always been interested in Propain bikes, but there's always this one detail that keeps me away from them. It used to be the super long seat tubes, but now they finally remedied that, only to make the chainstays even longer. A trail bike that I'm physically unable to get into a manual, just doesn't really appeal to me.
  • 3 0
 Came here for the hydrocarbon based jokes. And was totally disappointed!
  • 4 0
 And the hydrocarbon-based accessories.
  • 1 0
 Not at all confident about that un-braced massive seat tower. Frame designers keep doing this to lower standover height, but it's a huge structural weakness (have cracked frames here on my last two bikes)
  • 1 0
 Not seeing any cracked photos in your profile
  • 1 0
 Seat tower?
  • 3 0
 Looking forward what Remy will do with this "trail" bike.
  • 1 1
 I think 5mm shorter reach and 435mm chain stays would've hit the mark perfect. Bike seems a bit long. Wonder if they'll get any demos anywhere, if festivals are even a thing this year.
  • 1 0
 Very excited to have ordered one with custom specs!
Wanted blue, but the black had 2 months shorter shipping time, and we have short summers in Norway so black was ok ????
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 propain have been nailing the bikes lately! I absolutely love them!
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 @ralf-hauser what size frame did you test, do you reckon you could slam a 185 dropper and make it work on a Medium?
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 @ShortJeffsyOwner: I can't believe I forgot to mention that I was running a size M frame. I pulled it out and tried to measure down to the point where the sidewall of the post would hit the wall. That's about 255mm. Propain says it's 245mm, so I don't want to really say that it's more than what they say, but that's what I got. You should leave a bit of space not to damage the frame no matter what. The actuator sits more in the middle, so there might be some extra space for that. So I don't think it's possible to slam down a Bike Yoke 185mm dropper all the way down. If your leg length allows for pulliing it out a bit, it should work, though. Definitely not going to work on the size S frame unless you pull it out quite a bit. Should not be a problem on the size L frame to slam it all the way down. The 180mm OneUp dropper post is shorter, so that might actually work. But no guarantees and don't want to say anything that would hurt the warranty of the frame, so maybe check back with Propain just to be sure. Cheers
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 @ralf-hauser: oh wow thanks for all that! I'm about the same size as you and am considering the M. Currently running a v1 OneUp 170 and wouldn't want to go down to 160 now but I can probably swap them I guess!

Did you feel the 445 chainstays were unballanced with the 450 reach for the Medium?
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 @ShortJeffsyOwner: Swapping that post should work. The M felt nicely balanced. I like chainstays between 445 and 455mm with reach between 450 and 470mm. Within that window a bike with modern geometry seems to work really well. Can't speak for bigger sizes than that. Shorter bikes usually don't feel as capable to me anymore and a bit sketchy.
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 Is this available in Canada?
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 I believe if it's not coming through a local Canadian distro/office/warehouse (like YT or Commencal), you'll be looking at approx 33% in import duties/taxes. I'm wondering with the signing of Remy, if they plan to sort that out? Seems like a missed opportunity if not.
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 Two water bottle mounts, nice!
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 This vs. Knolly Fugitive LT?
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 When they come out with a Hank Hill model, I'll consider buying one.
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 Is it just me to did they lower the leverage ratio .. to a still high leverage ratio?
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 hi @ralf-hauser I am 178cm tall, would you recommend frame size M or L? Propain says M = 168 - 182 cm / L = 178 - 192 cm
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 @xela6078: I would most definitely go for a size L at your size. Seat angles have become steeper, so you'd probably feel cramped on the smaller bike and I know from experience that a bike with a reach around 470mm with 445mm chainstays feels super balanced.
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 Looks fantastic! Now please make a more XC/trailish downc*ntry version with 120mm of travel and then I would buy one immediately!
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 Looks amazing, would def be on my list but why no frame only option?!?
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 @JuZwe: Thanks! you just gave me a problem!
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 The do have a frame only option
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 Want.
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 Shouldn't the name "Huge"ne be used for their biggest, burliest bike?
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 Awesome bike ! Wait, they didn't want to add a P-box in the downtube ? Smile
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 HI Ralf, what size frame did you use?
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 Size M. Sorry I forgot to mention that.
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 Looks like a Transition Spur
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 Black linkage looks better
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 Such a hugene propain in my ass that this isn't available
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 im sad that there is no alu for poor people Frown
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 Where are the slo-mo suspension squishes for the Propain bikes?!?
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 Beautiful bike, can't wait for it to be available to purchase next year
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 Just ordered one, delivery set for start may
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 Hugh Mungus approves.
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 How ironic that the the deleted comment> comment was deleted.....
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 (by the way @Pinkbike, you missed one of your deleted photo> captions in your emergency typo fixing session!)
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 I am disappointed, I thought I was being both hilarious and original!
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 @Patrick9-32: I feel your pain, pro.
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 And good luck buying one
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 look like a TREK
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 Coming June 2023....
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 Frame looks a lot better than the old model, but that "petrol" color to me is for Yetis only Razz
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 I would get that color just to annoy the Yeti owners.
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 @SkullsRoad: nah, you won't, will you?
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 @likehell: I won't. But I would.
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 @SkullsRoad: ok, knowing people would but won't will not annoy me with my old ARC Razz
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 Looks Meh!!
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