First Ride: 2022 Norco Range - High Pivot Goodness

Jun 23, 2021
by Mike Kazimer  


There's no longer any need to zoom in on blurry spy shot photos taken with a potato – the new Norco Range has officially launched. 2022 seems to be the year of high pivot enduro bikes, and the Range slots solidly into that category with 29” wheels, 170mm of travel, and a carbon frame. It's dual crown compatible with up to a 180mm fork, good news for anyone hoping to build up a bike park smasher.

On the topic of dual crown forks, the DH bike that Norco's World Cup DH racers are currently riding is a prototype, one that uses the Range's carbon frame components combined with a different shock link and dropouts to create a longer travel, fully downhill-oriented version of this bike. There's no word at the moment as to when that bike might be available for public consumption.
Norco Range Details

• Wheelsize: 29"
• Travel: 170mm
• Carbon frame
• 63.25° head angle (size L)
• Chainstay length: 442.5mm (size L)
• Sizes: S-XL
• Price range: $5,599 - $8,999 Frame only: $3,799 USD.
norco.com


Back to the Range. There are three complete models, the C1, C2, and C3, as well as a frame-only option. Prices start at $5,599 USD for the C3, and go up to $8,999 for the C1 version shown here. Highlights of the C1 model include a 170mm Fox 38 Factory fork, Fox Factory DHX2 coil shock, a SRAM X01 12-speed drivetrain, and a Maxxis Aggegai / Dissector tire combo, both with the thicker DoubleDown casing. It's great to see that the two lower priced models also get the same DHX2 coil shock and tires as that top of the line model.

How much does the Range weigh? Well, the size large C1 we have in for testing currently weighs 36.25 lb (16.4 kg), but that number isn't totally accurate – there was a wheel spec mixup, and DT Swiss' lightweight cross-country / trail rims ended up on a bike meant for plowing through everything. The wheelset that bikes will now be spec'd with has We Are One's Union rims laced to Onyx hubs. They're heavier, but much more appropriate for the bike's intentions. This bike will be included in an upcoming Field Test, and the final weight will be verified there.


Frame Details

With the Sight comfortably holding down the all-mountain fort, Norco's designers and engineers were able to concentrate their efforts on creating a bike that was focused on speed, a bike that could easily handle the roughest tracks on the EWS circuit.

The first step was creating an aluminum mule, which ended up being called the 'SPAM bike' due to the fact that its headtube shape looked just like a can of SPAM. That bike allowed for multiple geometry and kinematic adjustments, which made it possible for Norco's designers and test riders to experiment with different configurations until they found the one that best suited their needs.

Luckily, the frame that resulted from the clunky looking mule is a whole lot better looking, with a fast, futuristic appearance. The shock sits low in the frame, and passes through a tunnel in the seat tube to connect to the aluminum link that drives it. That shock placement also leaves room for a full size water bottle inside the front triangle.

The chain is protected by an upper guide at the idler pulley, and a lower guide from MRP adds another layer of security. Rubber chainslap protection is in place at the top of the seatstay, the underside of the chainstays, and along the downtube. There's also a plastic skid plate that helps keep the lower link from being damaged by rock or root strikes.






Geometry

Norco took their Ride Aligned philosophy to the next level with the Range, tweaking the numbers on every size in an attempt to deliver a similar experience no matter a rider's height. Changing chainstay length depending on frame size has become increasingly common, a trend that Norco helped start, but in this case the Range's head angle and seat tube angle are different depending on the size.

The head angle sits at 63.25-degrees on a size large, and changes by .25-degrees for each size, getting slacker for the XL size, and slightly steeper for the medium and small sizes. This alteration, in conjunction with the different chainstay lengths, allowed Norco to achieve the wheelbase numbers they were aiming for.

The swingarm does technically have replaceable dropouts, but the bike's geometry numbers are intended to remain as they are out of the box. Since each frame size has a custom tune and leverage curve, as well as different shock links, Norco doesn't want riders swapping frame parts around.




Suspension Design

Norco aren't strangers to high pivot suspension designs, but they went with a little different layout for this bike. Where the Aurum used a high single pivot layout, this bike has a high virtual pivot design. It's essentially what would happen if you took a Horst Link configuration and flipped it upside down, with the shock driven from below, rather than above, and the main pivot high on the seat tube. When the rear wheel hits an obstacle it initially travels rearwards, pulling on the L-shaped lower link that rotates around the bottom bracket and drives the shock. The new configuration allowed Norco to reduce the amount of anti-rise compared to the Aurum, in order to allow the suspension to remain more active under braking.

The bike was designed to work best with a coil shock, specifically a Fox Float DXH2 or RockShox SuperDeluxe Coil. Those are the two currently recommended models – it's possible that other options, specifically ones with large air cans, won't fit due to the dimensions of the shock tunnel.


Models
Range C1

Range C1 / $8,999 USD
Fork: Fox Factory 38, 170mm
Shock: Fox DHX2 Factory Coil,205 x 65mm, custom tune
Drivetrain: SRAM X01 Eagle
Wheels: We Are One Union carbon rims w/ Onyx Vesper hubs
Tires: Maxxis Assegai 29 x 2.5" / Dissector 29 x 2.4" DoubleDown, MaxxGrip
Cranks: SRAM X1 Eagle carbon, 32t, 170mm
Handlebar: Deity Skywire Carbon, 800mm, 25mm Rise
Stem: Alloy, 40mm Length, 35mm Clamp
Brakes: SRAM Code RSC
Seatpost OneUp Adjustable Dropper, 34.9mm, 150mm (S), 180mm (M), 210mm (L, XL)
Saddle: Ergon SM10 Enduro Comp


Range C2

Range C2 / $6,999 USD

Fork: RockShox ZEB Ultimate RC2, 170mm
Shock: Fox DHX2 Factory Coil,205 x 65mm, custom tune
Drivetrain: SRAM X01 Eagle
Wheels: e*thirteen LG1 EN w/ DT Swiss 350 hubs
Tires: Maxxis Assegai 29 x 2.5" / Dissector 29 x 2.4" DoubleDown, MaxxGrip
Cranks: SRAM GX Eagle, 32t, 170mm
Handlebar: Deity Ridgeline, 800mm, 25mm Rise
Stem: CNC Alloy, 40mm Length, 35mm Clamp
Brakes: SRAM Code R
Seatpost TranzX YSP-105 Adjustable Dropper, 34.9mm, 150mm (S), 170mm (M), 200mm (L, XL)
Saddle: Ergon SM10 Enduro


Range C3

Range C3 / $5,599 USD
Fork: RockShox ZEB, Charger R, 170mm
Shock: Fox DHX2 Factory Coil,205 x 65mm, custom tune
Drivetrain: Shimano SLX / Deore
Wheels: Stan's Flow D, Shimano FH-MT510 hubs
Tires: Maxxis Assegai 29 x 2.5" / Dissector 29 x 2.4" DoubleDown, MaxxGrip
Cranks: Shimano Deore FC-MT510-1, 32t 170mm
Handlebar: 6061 Aluminum, 800mm, 25mm Rise
Stem: e*thirteen Base, 40mm Length, 35mm Clamp
Brakes: Shimano BR-MT520, 4 piston, Metallic Pads
Seatpost TranzX YSP-105 Adjustable Dropper, 34.9mm, 150mm (S), 170mm (M), 200mm (L, XL)
Saddle: WTB Volt 250 Sport





Initial Impressions

As you can see in the video, my first handful of rides on the Range have left me extremely impressed. Yes, the sun has been shining and the dirt has been perfect, which can help make an initial ride feel extra-good, but so far my second, third and fourth rides on this speed demon have all been just as eye-opening. It's the effortless speed the Range delivers that's especially noteworthy - I'd be hard pressed to name a bike that I've been on recently that handles itself as well in rough terrain.

The Range absolutely erases bumps, and yet it's still easy to tell what the wheels are doing - there isn't any vagueness at all. Somehow the geometry numbers blend together to create a bike that doesn't feel too big or unwieldy (as long as gravity is on your side), which makes it easy to keep the pace high. That slack head angle pays dividends in the steeps by making it easier to stay centered and in control of the bike, rather than needing to fight to stay behind the front wheel.

Granted, it's not the lightest bike, and climbing is more of a sit-and-spin affair, but in this case the Range's downhill performance is at such a high level that I'm a little more willing to overlook that extra heft.

We're going to be doing more testing on the Range soon as part of an upcoming Field Test, where it will go head-to-head against other contenders in this category – stay tuned for those videos and reviews later this summer.










405 Comments

  • 376 7
 Looks like it's out of my price Range
  • 105 3
 Having a bike like this in my Sight but out of my price range is causing me to have a Torrent of emotions.
  • 70 0
 Hopefully the pricing will be Fluid…
  • 24 1
 just Ryde the other way, don't buy it!
  • 55 2
 I'm shore that most people still can't afford it
  • 22 1
 @spencerh1569: Revolver to my head, I'd have to admit you're probably right.
  • 13 3
 @kcy4130: In the Optic of that comment, that was pretty fluid of you
  • 182 3
 You all are going on quite the Rampage...
  • 16 0
 It might be at my price Threshold, but I'll Search for a way to pay for it.
  • 39 0
 I'll have to drown my sorrows with a shot of vodka, whiskey, Aurum.
  • 7 0
 This price is causing quite the storm
  • 6 0
 I need some TNT to blow up my expectations on price.
  • 20 1
 Or.. Um..
I’ll see myself out.
  • 7 0
 I was hoping they'd make an ATOMIK-ly different version out of aluminum for us who don't want to DROP that much cash.
(you can probably guess the era of my last Norco bike...)
  • 5 0
 Quite the Torrent of comments.
  • 11 0
 @dekerf853: maybe we can get to 125. or even 250 comments.
  • 5 44
flag Vlad-Putin (Jun 23, 2021 at 10:15) (Below Threshold)
 variable head tube angles (why?), an actual seat angle that's slacker than the claimed SA, probably 38 pounds with real wheels and really expensive... not sure about this one...
  • 9 2
 @Vlad-Putin: Cool. More for the rest of us!
  • 7 0
 @skylerd: And maybe some Norcotics?
  • 9 1
 Lots of puns in the comment Section today....
  • 10 0
 I'm a diehard Norco loyalist... I Shore do approve of this Torrent of puns... Imma gonna kickback and enjoy a Kokanee and this thread.
  • 6 1
 I shore hope they'll do cheaper aluminum version soon
  • 2 0
 @huckbuckit: Oh, the Section is a road bike. For a second I thought you'd put your Bigfoot in your mouth!
  • 2 0
 @mycool: @mycool: So it can push up to 45 lbs ?
  • 3 0
 Man, the 2022 range is a Big Foot longer than the original
  • 2 0
 So much Buzz around this bike...wish they would Drop the price by 250 or at least 125
  • 7 7
 @mycool: I hate this..."they made an aluminum test mule" SO WHY THE FOUK COULDN'T YOU MAKE AN ALUMINUM PRODUCTION VERSION HUH??
  • 1 0
 Sounds great for A-line
  • 1 0
 @pruss1: Why not 4Hun...dreds.
  • 4 2
 The FLUID like HSP design inspires a RYDE worthy of Norcos 4HUN or more Team-DH racers. The RANGE of terrain this bike can STORM is for SHORE something to BUZZ about. Even SASQUATCH would DROP a BIGFOOT over this rig. Also a HUGE Norco fan, looks killer!!!
  • 3 6
 The range off bullshit pink bike commenters say is a sight to see. It fill my with a storm anger that could send me on a rampage. its a good thing I don't own a revolver
  • 2 1
 @WFoley: God that hurt to read...
  • 5 0
 Purchase the top spec one and you'll be VPS (Very Poor Soon)......
  • 2 0
 @bashhard Only a busy Bush Pilot could afford this bike
  • 1 0
 This bike may be a bit much for the 416.
  • 4 1
 And all this time I thought HSP meant “high single pivot” and not “high sticker price”.

That said, I bet they sell every one they make post haste
  • 2 1
 Before you reply to this comment - please take the time to consider if your reply makes sense. It only takes a moment.
  • 1 0
 What’s your name? Pivot. Pivot Galore
  • 96 0
 So rad! I can't remember a time the interviewer has seemed this stoked on a bike straight out the gate. Can't wait to get some more coverage during the field test and to get one for myself!
  • 16 1
 Yeah, as a good PB troll i try to always laugh at pricey carbon bikes, but sh*t, Norco, would give you my money if I had some Wink
Would be great if they offered a frameset though,
  • 12 0
 @lkubica: They do.
  • 10 1
 @richbelson: This time I watched the video instead of reading text ... Maybe this interpretative dance is the best of both worlds Wink
  • 8 25
flag downcountry (Jun 23, 2021 at 9:57) (Below Threshold)
 Druid
  • 22 66
flag eugenux (Jun 23, 2021 at 10:05) (Below Threshold)
 good luck in Europe with it... it costs 10k Euro.... ffs.. 10k Euro. A couple of months ago I thought that a factory Nuke Giga at 7k was expensive. I think, suddenly, Norco said to themselves, "well.. If Spez can ask 14K for a bike, why we could not ask at least 10k??!"
ffs..what a joke.. what greedy mofos!, f them.. Norco just became a brand I'll never ever effin consider!, 10k for a medium-high component build.. what a joke!, it could be the next best thing since tap water and I would still not consider it. No one should... what greedy basterds!
and you, whatever you pinkbikere here... if you look at this 10k Euro build and say that is alright.. you are either taking the piss on everyone else or 10K for you represent spare change. I would never... never pay 10K for some basic RSCs, a one up and some X01. What a piss they take on their clients. "Good work Norco, good work!"
  • 20 56
flag eugenux (Jun 23, 2021 at 10:19) (Below Threshold)
 lots of love for all the intelligent mtb-ers who think 10k for a pair of RSCs, a one up and some generic x01 represents good/real value! ***what a joke!***
  • 19 11
 @eugenux: Bikes are overpriced from new. Get over it.
  • 33 59
flag eugenux (Jun 23, 2021 at 10:30) (Below Threshold)
 @xxinsert-name-herexx: I'm affraid you do not understand. Norco price range should not go higher than 6k..USD..not Euro. That is the quality lvl.. 2 years ago, in shops, they could not sell their bikes at 3k euros.. 40% discounted. That is the real lvl of Norco. How come, suddenly, they've become a high-end/boutique brand?, what did they change?, did they use higher grade carbon?, did their bikes have a quality finish close to the boutique brands?, did they heavily invest in R&D...or what?, what did they do beside reshsaping an aurum which, in fact, was a commencal "copy-paste"?
  • 30 27
 @eugenux:

Not sure why your getting down voted so heavily, your speaking the absolute truth about this brand. The only bikes over 5k my shop sells are the ones that the handful of shop riders buy. They haven’t sold a high end norco to a regular consumer ever…

On the other hand Norco wholesalers have no bikes to offer so it’s all irrelevant anyways.
  • 74 4
 @eugenux: As a previous Norco employee I can attest to the fact that the company has invested heavily in R&D over the last 7 years. This has been enabled from the highest levels in the company. The company has employed many more talented engineers, industrial designers over the last few years and proper testing and validation is done before product is released. These new Norco's are not the Norco's of a few years ago.
  • 41 2
 @eugenux: this and the rest of your comments would be funny if I didn't think you were serious. Not sure where you're getting the 'middle-high component build' from considering pretty much every component is the top level available items. Also not sure if you've been living under a rock but there has been serious inflation across the board on absolutely everything including bikes, partially driven by labor shortages, resource price increases, shipping rate increases (4x previous pricing for shipping containers) etc.

As far as Norco goes, yeah historically they have had more conservative/traditional designs but in case you haven't noticed, they've killed it the past few years with each bike release (who won the 2019 bike of the year again?) with geometry/bike designs on the cutting edge of the sport. I've test driven a bunch of bikes over the past few years and I can comfortably say that I preferred Norco's to Pivots, Evils and a lot of the other brands.

At the end of the day the "boutique" brands really aren't doing much different from the rest of the brands, its all in the marketing. But yeah Norco's R&D team is really ahead of the curve, read any article about them and you'll see how involved the engineers are in the tuning and set up.

The ride aligned program is pretty unique, how many of your 'boutique' bike brands give you set up tips like # of spacers under you stem, handlebar width, tire pressures and clicks of LSC/HSC/LSR/HSR based on your height, weight and skill set?
  • 16 16
 @Maverick18T: I never thought a Norco would make a Cannondale look like a good value.
  • 36 5
 @eugenux: yeah how crazy, its almost as if prices have reflected a global pandemic and an international supply chain issue that comes with overseas manufacturing..
  • 9 25
flag eugenux (Jun 23, 2021 at 12:21) (Below Threshold)
 @Hershay: see my comment above. I know the situation...I work at a 'unicorn' local retailler. The components are, in fact, the problem and not the raw materials(in this case) or the production times. If this would have been 6.5k..or even 7, it would have been a tremendus desirable bike...as the tech, componentry, design and price would have been exactly what the doctor recommended.
As it is, Norco knows that they have made a pretty good bike and decided to cash it out. The nice move would have been to increase the costs with exactly their own cost increase; then, I would have aplaud it and buy the damn bike..probably giving up my Giga order. But, ffs, it is as, or even more, expensive as a Spez enduro S-Works.. and this is no S-Works. When your lvl is Vitus.. you cannot ask more money than Cannondale...so, come on.. we're really not that dumb.. I hope. Smile
  • 14 5
 @eugenux: using your logic, this bike would have been even MORE desirable at $1599. i would have desired the hell out of this bike at that price. I'd want to buy it for $1599 so badly. I wonder if the price will ever drop due to the fact that so many people will want to buy it for pennies on the dollar. I wonder if your beloved Cannondale will do the same. Any chance i can get the new Jekyll for $999, it would be so desirable at that price.
  • 4 13
flag eugenux (Jun 23, 2021 at 13:34) (Below Threshold)
 @ccdb93: no, because your "logic" does not take into consideration actual costs, while mine does.
Cheers!
(p.s. I do not own a Cannondale)
  • 6 19
flag eugenux (Jun 23, 2021 at 13:48) (Below Threshold)
 @thetruejb: let me put it differently. I don't think a spez s-works worth 10k(they surely don't 14k) so, asking 10k on a Norco, for me, is like asking 3k for a supermarket bike.

and your info are not correct. the current shipping rates are 6 times higher, not 4; I have explained above, I work mostly with asian based factories so, believe me when I say, I do know the situation.. closely.

There is no real reason to bump a price of a bike with 3k, other than because you think you can and will get away with it. No raw material cost, no labour cost, no shipping cost, no nothing will ad into the amount of 3k.
  • 7 1
 out of curiosity, how much do you think this bike costs to make?
  • 16 45
flag professed (Jun 23, 2021 at 13:57) (Below Threshold)
 So Kazimer reviews the Kavenz high pivot recently :yeah pretty good.
Then reviews the Cannondale Highish pivot: yeah pretty good
Then the Dreadnaught High Pivot : yeah pretty good
Then reviews the Norco High Pivot: man, haven’t ever ridden a high pivot; this is incredible!!!!

Which company pays highest sponsorship to Pinkbike?
  • 2 4
 @ccdb93: I'm not sure about the wheels but I'd guess the sell in(or cogs.. or entry cost, whatever you would like to call it) should be somewhere around 4k to 4.5k.
  • 76 3
 @professed, where did I say I hadn't ridden a high pivot? I've obviously ridden a bunch of them, and so far this one's at the top of my list. Our reviews are impartial - my opinions are mine and mine alone.
  • 4 8
flag bek998 (Jun 23, 2021 at 14:21) (Below Threshold)
 @professed: my thoughts exactly. And no word on how it compares to any of those high pivot bikes.
  • 9 0
 @eugenux: the wheels are around 1800usd retail on Fanatik, so a fairly large chunk of the highest spec'd model. pair that with the highest available suspension, the highest level mechanical drivetrain, top of the line brakes.

pretty sure the cost is largely in part to do with the build, which includes the best of the best in every aspect without going AXS.

Any carbon bike, with carbon wheels, top of the line suspension and drivetrain is going to be expensive. The only companies that can beat this pricing are the ones that dont sell exclusively in bike shops, or brands that are specing NX cassettes on their XO builds that have Formula hubs laced to e13 rims.
  • 20 0
 @eugenux: except raw materials are a problem... im an electrician and there's massive shortages on composite conduit because manufactures cant source resin.

also, im pretty impressed with the top tier build. Onyx hubs on We Are One Rims, one up dropper, deity bars.. its well thought out.
  • 15 0
 @eugenux: Your comments are some of the funniest things I've read in a while. Regardless of whether you're a troll or just playing with a few pieces short of a full set, thanks for the chuckles.
  • 6 0
 @eugenux: Vitus level on the current Norcos? Your way off!! And what do you expect, if the bike is a hot cake to sale it at under price? It's not Norco's fault their Range is better than your Giga.
  • 2 1
 @ccdb93: true. just remember bike manufacturers do not pay retail price for wheels or any other component. So looking prices up online only gives you a really rough estimate of what the sum of its parts are. good points though.
  • 2 8
flag eugenux (Jun 23, 2021 at 22:30) (Below Threshold)
 @ccdb93: only that manufacturers prices for components prices are so different that what you and I can get, the difference is gigantic; but, that's a well known fact, nothing new.

as for the build..yes, it is a decent one but, not a 10k one...so, not a high end spec.
  • 3 6
 @deepstrut: let's have a different opinion about this. I know whst are my info.. you seem to know yours.. they differ. nothing more can be added. cheers!
  • 3 1
 @eugenux: im pretty sure this is a computer generated comment.
  • 2 7
flag eugenux (Jun 23, 2021 at 22:38) (Below Threshold)
 @bogdanc: yep, norco's lvl is vitus lvl.

again, I would no pay 10k for an S-works(which has a better build); I would never pay 10k for a Norco.. I think no one should.

and ffs, if the Giga is good and well for some of the fastest men and women on the planet, for sure it will be enough for an almost middle-aged, fat-ish slow guy like me.
  • 2 2
 @Bdayhunter: of course. AI wars are coming!
  • 10 3
 @eugenux: mate, don't find excuses if Vitus is = with Nukeproof. My Norco Optic is way better in every regard compared to a Nukeproof Reactor. Sorry , but your assumptions is out of the context as the Optic, the Sight and the New Range are on top of the list when comparing EVERY other brand on the market. As for pricing, don't get it why you debate, look at YT direct sales, they are selling the top capra more expensive than this Norco, which is in another league. As for Vitus, it will still need years to catch up .
  • 2 6
flag eugenux (Jun 24, 2021 at 0:39) (Below Threshold)
 @bogdanc: let's meet half way around and see which one is better..., the reactor or the optic?, you can test my Reactor, I can check your Optic. I always thought the Optic is a good bike.. but, the reactor is tremendous one, an enduro bike with less travel, especially with my build(offset head-set, 150mm lyrik, DDs, flow mk3s, etc-etc)

but... note that no Optic is 10k Euro.
  • 5 8
 @bogdanc: I'd take the reactor over the optic any day, just saying.
  • 2 0
 @Maverick18T: You're also in New Brunswick, the market there is not the same as the market elsewhere.
  • 3 2
 @eugenux: the only joke is the dude complaining about a bike that was specifically designed for racers. It's not norcos problem you can't afford it thats a YOU problem.
  • 3 1
 @eugenux: @eugenux: Wonder how that pedals uphill, from all people, the answer is average which is why is while it's a good enduro bike, it will loose to full bikes, 150mm on the rear and stay behind on the climbing group . The Optic is a better option if you still want to climb easy like a trail bike but still a weapon on the downs.

As for the 10K , not sure what you state here, this top Range will be in shops at around 8K in EU shops, but regardless, a 6K or a 5K for the C2 or C3 will appear shortly which is a heck of a deal to be honest for what the bike can push
  • 2 2
 @bogdanc: check the prices here in EU. C1 will be 10k Euro. As I have said.. I'd never pay 10k on any bike, unless this kind of money would be just spare change. As I have to actually work for money, 10k would never happen. My cap is at around(plus/minus) 6k.
  • 2 2
 @mhoshal: are you 12?, or that is the lvl of your understanding. If yes, please don't reply back and goos luck in/at life!
  • 5 1
 @eugenux: the guy whining about bikes he'll never own asking me if I'm 12 lmao next you're gonna tell me you ferrari should sell you a car for 28 thousand because YOU don't like the price.
  • 1 0
 @razzlebazzil: upvoted you from 69 to 70. Sorry.
  • 1 1
 @thetruejb: lol... thats why they win all the races? do they win races? any races? are they top 20 bike manufactures? scientists of send. right.
  • 1 0
 @mikekazimer: Hey Kaz, what do you think about how low that lower linkage sits under the BB...looks scary low! Thx
  • 64 3
 I might be eating nothing but ramen for the rest of the year to afford it, but the PR's will sustain me.
  • 8 28
flag BrendanVDB (Jun 23, 2021 at 11:36) (Below Threshold)
 That either says something about how much you get paid, considering your sizeable staff discount. Or you have a really high level of living.
  • 13 0
 Chicks dig PRs not scars. We've had it wrong all this time. Eat the ramen, it'll be worth it.
  • 6 0
 Don’t you work at Norco?
  • 2 9
flag BrendanVDB (Jun 23, 2021 at 20:10) (Below Threshold)
 @chrisclifford: No, what makes you say that?
  • 4 0
 @BrendanVDB: this wasn’t directed at you
  • 7 24
flag BrendanVDB (Jun 23, 2021 at 20:15) (Below Threshold)
 @chrisclifford: Oh, silly me, you're talking about someone else. I did work there, that's how I know what it's actually like and probably getting neg props from the staff still stuck there.
  • 20 1
 @BrendanVDB: someones bitter. You must have left before all these rad bikes started pouring out
  • 58 4
 I'm Forbidden to buy it!
  • 33 4
 norco is KILLING IT. that is a RIG
  • 7 0
 As an XL rider, their geometry looks really spot on. congrats !
  • 2 3
 @GrandesRoues: they could use slightly longer chainstays but it’s pretty decent!
  • 10 1
 @stormracing: Chainstays will grow substantially at sag on a bike with such a drastic rearward axle path.
  • 3 1
 @j-t-g: I understand.
I ride a bike with 460 chainstays and it’s incredible! I meant what I said with it could use slightly longer chainstays on the bigger sizes for a bit better ride. Just my opinion though! But I dig the direction everyone is heading
  • 2 0
 @stormracing: I have a bike with a 452 CS and an Aurum HSP which without looking it up is a 430 or 435 rear center in LXL, they feel shockingly similar when ridden. Your mileage may vary of course!
  • 23 0
 Wow...serious boner from @mikekazimer on this one. Must be something special going on with this thing... compare the Jekyll released yesterday which seemed to get a big meh.
  • 9 0
 Yeah this is the most excited I’ve seen him in a while
  • 17 0
 They're advertising the correct model year - available in 2022. Wink

This bike has been the worst kept secret of the last year, but I'm excited to see how it would ride. Full 29 with a high pivot and 170mm travel will be an absolute monster on the descents.
  • 15 5
 RIP Forbidden?
  • 5 0
 Have one in my shop for sale right now. so someone will get lucky and get one early.
  • 1 0
 It was supposed to come out for 2021 but Norco pushed everything back till 2022
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 "Worst kept secret" is likely intentional for marketing.
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 @KJP1230 The bike is actually in stock right now at select dealers in the USA and Canada. Call your local Norco dealer, they might have some in already!
  • 4 0
 Worst kept secret is right. It was in the dealer catalogs.
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 @norcobicycles: framesets too?
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 @norcobicycles: when can I try one in Finland?
  • 2 1
 @bartimusprime: where?
How much?
What size?
What model

Thank you!
  • 1 0
 @onawalk: his signature on profile says bow cycle and sports.
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 @norcobicycles: None in Vancouver, called all the shops. If you can tell me someone who has a L I will come buy it right now>!>!>
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 @chris: very good,
Appreciate it,
On it
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 @modvelo: hit up our dealer locator just to be sure you have the full list: www.norco.com/store-locator

Otherwise, another run should be here in less than a month (fingers crossed!) and some more towards the end of the summer. As you know ETA's are hard to guarantee so we cannot promise exact dates but we hustling them out to shops as soon as they land.
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 @norcobicycles: any chance of any coming to the uk
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 @norcobicycles: I managed to get one!!!!

Many thanks to @j-t-g for where to find one!

LETS GOOOOOO!!
  • 6 0
 @modvelo: expecting full, long-term review tomorrow
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 @modvelo: Trail bicycles in courtenay ( on the island ) has an xl c3
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 @modvelo: Hope you enjoy!
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flag indianacones420 (Jun 23, 2021 at 19:44) (Below Threshold)
 @norcobicycles:
Why not in Australia? Seems pretty unfair?
  • 5 0
 @norcobicycles:

Hey Norco, why no dealers om Scandinavia? Such a pity? I know myself and others have reached out about this before but no response.

Beautiful bike btw!
  • 2 0
 @onawalk: Bow Cycle in Calgary - Large C2 $8399.99 and should have a medium shortly
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 @bartimusprime: medium,
Very good.
Locally I found an XL (sold) and was told a Large would be coming shortly, but medium is the ticket.
Well, an Alloy Range, and an alloy Optic would really be the ticket. The $1000-$1500 price difference for carbon is hard for me, and my reckless nature to wrap my head around
  • 2 0
 @onawalk: i wouldn't worry too much about carbon - and if disaster happens I have a guy that fixes them that is quite reasonable and does top notch work . I've had him fix frames where customers bring in a seat stay in one hand and the frame in the other... put it all back together and you could not tell it had been touched... and the bike is going strong 10 years later no issues. Aluminum fatigues and will eventually crack.
  • 2 0
 @grugged: glad you like the bike! We have Scandinavia on our list of places we would love to build our brand but unfortunately we don’t have the product capacity to do it right now.
  • 2 0
 @indianacones420: Fingers crossed, we hope to have Ranges coming to you in the September-October time frame! Keep in touch with our friends at Norco Bicycles Australia online or your local dealer for updates
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 @norcobicycles: Feels like a cop out. Is there a reason that Australia missed the drop?
  • 2 0
 @norcobicycles: I second the UK question. What's happening with your distribution here?

We can all agree dropping Evans is a good thing, but no word on a new disti?
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 It's beautiful
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flag MartinKS (Jun 23, 2021 at 15:18) (Below Threshold)
 no
  • 21 8
 37lb Enduro bike with 63d HTA. That's pretty damn heavy. Are we sure this isn't just an odd DH bike with a single crown fork on it? I can get (or used to could) a Scott Gambler that's 34.5lbs with a Fox 40 on it. I'm guessing that might be pretty sweet on the downhill. I'd guess it'd be more stable than this...and minus 2.5-3lbs, they might just pedal the same getting to the top. So go with this over something like a DH bike like the Gambler?

Also, why should an Enduro bike need to have a bigger wheelbase & reach than modern DH racing bikes that are built for the ultimate in gnar? If its proven to be effective, why don't DH bikes go this long? Even Commencals winning Supreme in XL isn't pushing a 1300mm wheelbase but this bike is 1329mm with a steeper HTA lol. Heck even the newer XL Summum is only 1320 with a steeper HTA too (tho adjustable). Its interesting.
  • 8 1
 Most modern DH bikes are not available in sizes for taller riders.
  • 6 2
 I think the weight is interesting because my Privateer is heavy and would almost weight the same but I have even more heavy tiers on that bike.
My Bike has also a Smashpot so its another 600g+ , bigger discs 223x2,25 so how the frek did both , cannondale and Norco made them so heavy?
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 I can fully guarantee a bike without a dropper post, with a 36 tooth front chainring and 10-32 cassette, and 200mm of non lockable suspension will not be climbing very well no matter what it weighs. If you change that stuff the bike will go back up in weight very fast (also you’re talking about a dh bike with a carbon integrated bar/stem you can silly things like that to this bike to drop weight).

Dh bikes got super light for a while a couple years back (I think people were getting sessions to 28.5 or so pounds) but they realized light dh bikes get deflected a lot and kinda suck plus you’re either spending stupid money or sacrificing durability for the weight which really isn’t necessary on a dh bike and kinda a bad idea.
  • 2 0
 Yeah 37lbs is pretty heavy… my Titan is 36.5lbs with cushcores and DD tires and that’s an alloy frame
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flag its-joe (Jun 23, 2021 at 13:30) (Below Threshold)
 What is the point of a carbon frame if the bike weighs more than alu bikes of the same travel/intended use? Carbon frames don't ride as nice as alu, they are more expensive and pretty terrible for the environment. I'm not against carbon as a frame material but I do think that it should only be used if there is a significant weight saving involved
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 @its-joe, according to Norco the Range's frame shape and tube profiles would have been much more difficult to achieve with aluminum.
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 @mikekazimer: Norco ... Next model year (2023) with advanced technology, and research we found a way to make an aluminum version. My interpretation.... we sold enough carbon versions, to fund the "difficult task" of developing the aluminum version.
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 @Serpentras: I’m assuming the weight is for durability. People keep cracking or denting or otherwise breaking their frames, so the response is to make them heavier with thicker tubing.
  • 3 1
 What's the weight of the Shore? Norco now have 3 different variations of high pivot suspension. It's weird they didn't make this a 29er carbon version of the Shore
  • 4 0
 @MaplePanda: generally the shock tunnel designs (Santa Cruz, Specialized Enduro, Forbidden, etc.) are pretty heavy because they require a lot of material. An aluminum version would be very heavy.
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 With carbon fibre, wherever you can’t close the profile like a tube and multiaxial loads are involved, you need a LOT of material. Carbon isn’t actually all that light when you need lots of it.

An alloy version wouldn’t be an issue to make but I bet it would have involved enough cnc or custom forgings that it would have made it uneconomical. I bet the engineers are working on that problem right now and in a year or so we will see an al version.
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 @Afterschoolsports: I agree with your comment, but I'm not so confident they'll do an alu version. And I dread to think what it might end up weighing.
It doesn't look like we're getting an alu version of the Enduro, and Nukeproof have confirmed the Giga is carbon only.
Not a good trend for the discerning but budget-conscious enduro warrior.
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 @mattg95: my shore is 38 pounds, size small, running tubes, the eagle and a dropper and it's the best bike i've ever been on, i'm surprised that the range comes in at 36 but i like the weight/feel of a beefier bike
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 @MaplePanda: Not so sure on that but the frame must be really heavy. 4,4kg for my frame without the coil shock.

I am doing enough with that bike and it's 16,4kg but its certainly cheaper and still got bling on it...
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 @Svinyard Does that Gambler have a dropper or a massive cassette? There's some of the weight difference.

And no, even if you swap drivetrains and manage to put a dropper on it, the Gambler won't climb that well because of STA. Not sure how things like anti squat compare between the two.

Also AFAIK you've picked one of the lightest DH bikes on the market, more an exception than the rule Smile
  • 18 1
 WR1 rims on a stock bike? That's pretty damn cool in my book.
  • 9 0
 Well, it is 9K
  • 13 1
 Bike looks rad.
For your next geo chart, Norco: www.astro.yale.edu/astro120/SigFig.pdf
  • 10 2
 Great looking bike.

I have to ask though...I see all of these frames listed as DC compatible (Yeti sb165, this bike) but realistically what options are there for a 180mm DC? Boxxer, but I have heard it isn't so great in 180mm configuration.
Dorado? Not available anymore.
Ohlins, super expensive and hard to get.
Mrp bartlett. No real reviews or experience. I have heard quality is hit or miss. If anyone is using one, please chime in!

Any thoughts?
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 Pinkbike did an article a few days ago about a new Formula DC. ~2200g so lighter than the 38s SC out there. Another option to consider
  • 9 0
 Maybe an indicator that one of the big two has something in the works?
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 Pretty sure you can get a regular 200mm Dual Crown fork lowered by a suspension tech. Not an expert and never done it but worth calling your local service center to see what they can do. GL!
  • 3 0
 I bet the dorado will be back soon. Prototypes have been ridden publicly for ages.
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 Dorado is/will be available again.
  • 1 1
 @unicornmtb25: NSMB posted about riding a lowered Boxxer. But the rider said he had to stuff a ton of tokens in to get it to ride properly. Granted, everyone is different but it didn't sound great.

Hopefully there will be some options soon!
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 170mm Fox 38 a-c is 583.7mm 190mm Fox 40 a-c is 588.9mm Only 5.2mm longer and if you factor in the added sag on the 190mm fork, the ride height difference is likely negligible.
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 T he new dual-crown Formula fork is really promising at 2300g, and I bet it would be a perfect match on this rig ! It has 180mm but with an axle-to-crown length equivalent to 170mm on a single crown
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 @KavuRider: I think the Kenevo comes with a 180mm boxxer. I saw someone selling a takeoff on buy/sell recently.
  • 2 0
 I've had great luck with the Bartlett
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 Dvo onyx, mrp martlet.
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 @KavuRider: I've not ridden a boxxer in years and last time I did it was a coil but all the bikes in my shop that have it (granted it's just the select and all 200mm travel) feel like they'd need about a million tokens to feel decent, possibly just a boxxer thing, put tokens in and it must work at least decently.
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 it's easy to do with air forks. esp. Rockshox. Just put a 20mm spacer on the air shaft internally. Only takes 20mins
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 @tbgd: it doesn´t work like that with any fork with equalising dimples on the stanchions i.e. RS boxxer past 2019...However it´s very easy to do without taking anything apart.
  • 12 0
 Sounds like Mike felt right at Home On The Range
  • 2 0
 Where the deer and the antilope play?
  • 11 0
 Holy hell, i thought it'd never come
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 I came while watching that. Dear lord what a beauty.
  • 2 0
 Dont think, just do. Go buy one Adam! @deepstrut
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 I'm not sure I'd want to winch that around Dodge, but park laps...mmm...
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 @Bkbroila: my 2014 range is getting needing a lot of love lately to keep it dialed. a new Range might just be the solution!
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 @deepstrut: The Meta does it betta!
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 Anyone else notice anything different on that OneUp dropper? The seal looks super minimal. V3 coming out soon?
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 That's the 34.9mm version, so they're able to give it super low profile collar.
  • 2 0
 Ya I noticed that as well. Really low profile collar on it.
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 Protip just use a 31.9 dropper and a shim, you'll save yourself a noticeable amount of weight.
  • 2 1
 @thetruejb: and lose 10+mm of travel. Depends on whether weight or travel is more important to the rider.
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 @mikekazimer: Ahh. I just bought a new V2 to replace my old trusty V1. Normally when I buy something, a new version comes out a month later so it seemed to follow my normal pattern. You're welcome everyone for all the bike tech I've helped bring to market over the years.
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 @eugenux: Call me a homer because I live in BC but Norco bikes have been on point the last few years. I don't ride one but I would consider one. Optic, Sight, and now this new Range, come on you have to give them some credit for a job well done.
  • 9 0
 Well it looks like if the pandemic had one affect it’s that no one is watching their weight anymore, including bikes
  • 8 0
 Pity Norco sell exclusively via the UKs worst bikeshop chain owned by a certain Mike Cashley! Get these bad boys in proper shops if you want to grow in the UK market.
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 My highly sought opinion (yes that's satire) is that this high pivot design will end up right beside the PDA's (personal digital assistant) of the 90's.

A belt driven system could render this obsolete. Besides that, it's adding complexity to the design.

Check back in 2031 to see if this is correct.
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 You're correct, high pivot is the flavor of the year. Once enough folks ride them, the weaknesses will be more apparent.

I had a Druid, it lasted a month in my stable, no bike has come close to such a fast turnaround.

High pivots allow the rear wheel to have amore rearward axle path, so the rear wheel is moving away from the direction of travel, which means it's lagging behind the bike, so this is good for hitting obstacles as it allows the rear-end to better absorb that impact, but if you need immediate response when clambering over a rock or you want to pop off a lip, that back end will not support you the same as a bike that has a less rearward axle path.

Think about how it feels to walk and run in sand: sand is soft, comfortable for landing when jumping, but hard to get going, and less responsive once you are going.

A high pivot requires more effort initiating anything, be it climbing over a ledge or popping off a jump. The only way to overcome this loss of efficiency is too add speed. In essence, a high pivot is best suited to downhill, gravity parks, etc... and is lest suited for use as a trail bike where you are climbing and negotiating obstacles at lower speeds.

The other bummer about that rearward axle path is he bike gets longer as you progress through the travel, so if you start with a 440mm rear end you will finish with something upwards of 450-460mm; yes, that affects technical riding in a big way. It would be better if they started with a really short chainstay, something on the order of 420mm, but that wagon wheel complicates things.

I suspect it won't take until 2031 for this understanding to be more common, I'm thinking by 2022.
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 @nurseben: longer chainstays are better
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 @nurseben: or just learn how to ride a bike?
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 @nurseben: Even if high pivot created a niche in downhill for example, would riders want a bike with moveable geometry–IE lengthening of chain stays as rear suspension compresses?

Thanks for the thoughtful evaluation.
  • 9 1
 @njcbps: ask anyone on a Commencal Supreme the last 3 years. It's not even a niche anymore.
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 @njcbps: I liked riding the Druid when I had enough speed to pop off features, landing feel great because the the high pivot does creates the illusion of having more travel, but when the going was slow and techy I found the bike was more like an anchor and required more energy to manage, additionally those long chain stays are a real PITA in tight stuff.
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 To the people downvoting my comment Look into a thing called balance Research or go test ride some and see about how bikes ride with more proportional front and rear centers ride WAY better. So yes, with front centers growing like crazy, the rears should be as well. It will corner a whole lot better and ride overall nicer
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flag nurseben (Jun 23, 2021 at 13:21) (Below Threshold)
 @BenPea: That's a DH bike, not a trail bike. Read for context.
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 @nurseben: long chainstays are not an issue cornering if you corner correctly
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 @nurseben: "Even if high pivot created a niche in downhill for example" Must have misread
between the lines.
  • 5 0
 @nurseben: Im curious waht shock you were running and how you had it setup. I'm finding the Druid to be very nimble and playful, even compared to 4 bar bikes with short chainstays. That said, when I had the wrong setup in the rear it was one of the worst feeling bikes I've ever had. 35% sag...wide open compression and 1-2 clicks from full pogo on the rebound and the bike rails....
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 @ybsurf: Nah I prefer to suck, thanks. But it is funny that your first response is to kill the messenger. Must be typing from your parent's basement, lets call you Chuck Smile

So Chuck, there are many types of riding, to say that one bike is suitable/advantageous to all types of riding is silliness. If you aren't willing to admit this then you're either a shill or FOS.

Don't be a shill and don't be Chuck.
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 @MikeyMT: DPX2, Mara Pro, no difference in how they rode. I'm a decent suspension tuner. I'd never call the Druid a "pogo".
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 @nurseben: You were running the rebound too slow then. Sorry but if you don't know what the term 'full pogo' means, you're not a decent suspension tuner. Not trying to be mean, but its a very common term. HSR should be fully open on the Druid, and LSR should be pretty much 1 or 2 clicks from full pogo aka fully open (as fast as it goes in case you're still confused).
  • 4 2
 @nurseben: so you say different set up for different people but there you are saying in you initial comment that high pivot bikes are bad for everyone in every situation. That's why I said you should learn to ride because tons of people are ripping on high pivot bikes and a lot more will on the future.
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 @nurseben: I ride a druid and I've never had any of the issues you've described.

Not sure what else to say lmao. Mine pops just fine, thank you.
  • 4 0
 @MikeyMT: to be the fair the guy could be excellent at suspension setup, I don't think he was saying he didn't understand what you meant by "pogo" but that the term didn't apply to the bike at all. He probably just didn't like the bike, that doesn't mean he's a bad rider lol. Always funny when someone throws out some criticism of a specific bike and then other owners have to run in and say they have no idea what they're talking about. But to be fair, I'd probably do the same if it were about my bike lmao! We all think what we're riding is the best thing since sliced bread!
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 @MikeyMT: I think what bike people ride almost becomes their identity. So when someone has criticism it feels like a personal attack on your identity. We really shouldn't feel this way. Regardless of the bike, you'll always find someone who thinks it's crap. I fall for all the same pitfalls too of course. But it's interesting reading the responses here to his negative review.
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 @DylanH93: I get what you're saying, but the Druid and Dreadnaught are very unique in terms of required setup on the shock. I've ridden bikes forever, and this bike did feel like complete ass when I set it the way Fox suggested on the shock. I reached to Forbidden...they suggest fully open on all 4 knobs...I've never run a setup anything like that...frankly I thought the idea of running all 4 knobs open was insane. Till I did it...something about that link and design makes the bike work best with lots of volume spacers and absolutely no dampening. In the parking lot the thing is a pure pogo stick...but on the trail it finally came alive. Again...the suggested settings from Fox were so far off that the bike felt unrideable...and I agree, probably the worst bike I ever rode. Setting up the rear the way it was meant to be (unlike anything I've ever really heard of) made a huge difference.
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 @MikeyMT: that's interesting to hear. Definitely need to try one of those bikes out someday. They sure do look good!
  • 5 0
 @norcobicycles

I've been eagerly waiting for this release for a year, and the bike looks great Big Grin .

Any chance for a future AL version for those of us with pockets that aren't as deep?

Basically just curious if the carbon only is a covid-supply chain thing (aka, just carbon first, for now), or if you're planning on doing an AL/Carbon lineup like you do with the Sight "eventually".

Thanks, and keep up the good work Big Grin .
  • 10 0
 @ocnlogan Because of the shapes and profiles of tubes and frame components used to achieve the Range’s High Virtual Pivot suspension design, carbon fibre construction is the ideal material to achieve the strength, durability and performance we needed to build into the Range.
  • 2 0
 @norcobicycles:

I was wondering if that could be the case, but guess I was hoping otherwise because the first mule (apparently the SPAM bike) was AL.

Thanks for clarifying so quickly Smile . At least now I know.
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 @norcobicycles: No offence but this reply that you copy-pasted a couple of times is not the answer to the question people are asking here and you know it. This is typical marketing evasion Smile

Let me help you out. The actual answer options to this question are:

a) yes, there will be an alu version
b) no, there won't be an alu version
c) I'm not allowed to tell you and was told by the business to keep it open

I can't really blame you. I fully understand that if you say "yes" now you might lose some early carbon (higher margin) sales and if you say "no" you'll be accused of lying if you end up releasing alu after all. Getting the higher margin product out first while the new model is hot and the hype is high to get return on R&D is nothing new and is understandable.

Your reply carefully avoiding the words "yes" and "no" to answer a closed question is still funny though.

@ocnlogan If I was a betting man I would take norco's comment as "possibly later" and wait a bit. Don't take me too seriously though. Maybe they want material to be one of the differentiators between this and the Shore. But they are avoiding a firm "no" and they are saying "ideal material", not "the only material" so take it as you will.
  • 5 1
 Got to see this this up close last weekend.

The rear triangle sticks out lower than the BB and it honestly scares me. During slow speed rock rolls and climbing I imagine it would hit quite a lot especially on the sizes with the larger wheelbases.

I think the floodgates have opened and we’re gonna see many more companies coming out with new versions of their “enduro” bikes with high pivots pretty quick here.
  • 4 1
 The many gouges in my bash guard makes me virtually certain that I would smash that part of the triangle off a rock. Would not buy a bike designed that way.
  • 9 1
 Best looking Norco bike in ages
  • 3 0
 Since the Aurum HSP I would say
  • 2 1
 I'm not so sure... It looks like a Forbidden got in an accident.
  • 5 0
 Any issues with only a quarter of the chain ring engaging the chain? I'm sure it doesn't make much of a difference but it just looks funny only having a portion of the chain engaging the chainring.
  • 2 0
 I came here to comment on exactly that. I would think that it will cause chainrings to wear quicker since less teeth are carrying the load?
  • 4 0
 Even with the chain wrapped fully around the chainring the load is only spread across a few of the rollers at any time. There will be no difference with this setup.
  • 12 6
 That clearance to ground under that lower link looks problematic, even with the bash guard.
  • 29 1
 The link moves up and out of the way when the suspension is compressed, so I don't think it's too much of an issue.
  • 7 1
 @mikekazimer: when riding over big rocks or logs?
  • 6 0
 The link appears to have it's own bash guard and is presumably designed to withstand an impact. It seems pretty unlikely to me anyway. I wouldn't worry about it at all.
  • 6 0
 @cxfahrer:

Another site did mention smacking the link on a rock on a climb I believe. I could imagine tech climbs could be a bit awkward in certain scenarios, but that’s not the intent of this bike in general
  • 2 0
 @mikekazimer: It's not when I'm going fast that I tend to hit my bash guard off stuff.
  • 3 0
 I'm going to be going off Australian prices here but value wise this is a pretty good deal. 10k AUD for a completely top of the line build is not bad considering it 12-15k for equivalent trek, spesh, yeti, or santa cruz. Its even better value than the 8.5k AUD Cannondale jekyll from yesterday considering you get terrible wheels on the Cannondale vs WAO carbon rims on Onyx hubs. The range c2 at 8k AUD is a better comparison to the jekyll 1 as it has the same drive train, similar fork and shock, slightly worse brakes and a better wheels set. Also some how with exchange rates we get cheaper Norco's than Canada wtf. 16.4 kg without pedal for a carbon bike with carbon wheels, carbon bars, carbon cranks and xo1 drivetrain which is really light, is kind of crazy seeing my 240mm dh bike with, no carbon, heavy wheels, 550gram deore cassette, dropper, dh tyres and an open bath dual crown comes in at 18.2 kg with pedals.
  • 3 0
 Has Enduro turned to downhill stage racing in a lot of places? Looking at EWS round 1 there was a 14 minute stage that involved a lot of pedaling! Sprinting a 37-38lb bike (with the new wheel weight on DD’s with no inserts) that’s full carbon is not something I’m interested in. With inserts, a water bottle, etc. this is a 40lb bike at it’s highest build.

At least in the Colorado scene, the top of the field is usually separated by those who have trained the most and have the best fitness- Who can sprint and who is pedaling with the seat up. Regardless of fitness this bike is going to slow your race times down just due to the weight. Unless your Enduro scene = Downhill racing. No one serious about racing is interested in this bike. Just my $0.02
  • 3 0
 Hey @norcobicycles,
The bike looks great but I just had once question. With regards to shock placement I’m wondering why you choose a trunnion mount at one end and a clevis style with extender arm at the other. The trunnion mount exists so those who are tight on space can save themselves an extra 25mm. Clearly if you are then adding this (and more) at the lower mount then this wasnt a problem you faced. So my question is why not go with a standard eyelet? A standard eyelet places less side loading on the shock, and makes it almost impossible to damage the body if bolts come loose. If the bolt on your trunnion shock comes loose you risk stripping the threads and effectively needing to replace the whole thing.
Just my 2 cents but if there’s is a good reason I would be curious to know.
  • 9 2
 Antidotal
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 Finally...
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 Truth.
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 I'd buy the ebike version.
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 The "Range Anxiety"?
  • 3 4
 @vapidoscar: hahah or you could put a range extender on your Range, so it'd be a Range range extender. In all seriousness though, I've heard from a dealer that Norco is going nuts with their battery options for their new ebikes. 630Wh on my Sight VLT gets me 6k-7k descending but apparently there will be 900Wh versions soon.
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 Stay tuned ...
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 @vapidoscar: Haaa! I feel inclined to upvote the op just so more people can see your joke!
  • 5 1
 I would be curious if they go a "lightweight" version like the Kenevo SL. Would be an interesting comparison.
  • 5 1
 @Jcmonty: That'd be my dream shuttle set-up. Lightweight HSP.
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 @piratetrails: 60 lb bikes! sweet.
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 @blaaaaaaaaaah:

The slight rearward path of the Kenevo sl (or enduro) has been eye opening for me. Really keen to try a HSP someday
  • 1 0
 @mikekazimer Any thoughts on now the Range compares to the Kenevo SL on the downs and with suspension performance since you reviewed that one a few weeks back?
  • 5 0
 I know they put a little guard on it but that bottom link seems to be hanging a bit low for my liking.
  • 6 0
 Nice to see DD tires and a proper spec on these builds!
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 Well, looks like we can finally bury the dentist jokes for yeti, SC, etc. After all, we are living in the days of $11000 Norco’s! Good grief.
  • 5 1
 see the pivot ad last week? They fully embraced the dentist trope. 9/10 dentists prefer.. (whatever bike the ad was for)
  • 5 9
flag CircusMaximus (Jun 23, 2021 at 10:11) (Below Threshold)
 Hahaha someone is downvoting my comment? So, you enjoy dropping $11K on bikes? Lol PB.
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 @CircusMaximus: Where do you see the $11k price? The top model is $9k.
  • 1 0
 @bananowy: well I went to the Norco site and looked at the price. You?
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 @CircusMaximus: Yup, did the same. Nothing's changed. Still $8,999.00.
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 @CircusMaximus: Yeah this exact site you linked. Still $8,999.00.

You're the only one who needs to "figure it out". I obviously know it's 11k CAD, but you don't seem to understand no one cares - which is what I was pointing out all along.

It's also 994,866.45 Yen so why don't you go with that if you want a big, scary number? Or 1,111,016.54 Icelandic Crowns. ONE MILLION sounds much better than 11k when complaining about price. You get it now?

There's a recurring theme of this kind of crying from Canadians and Australians and I think your main problem is that both your local currencies are called "dollar" so for some reason you assume your prices should be compared to USD though they have nothing to do with each other. You never see the Swedish whining about 76k bikes because they understand that's how currency exchange rates work. If your currency was called a Canadian Kwacha instead of "dollar" you would look at that 11k number and shrug. It's. A. Different. Currency.

Note I'm not saying it's not an expensive bike. But stating "$11k Norcos" without specifying you mean CAD is disingenuous and makes the impression it's in Spec ebikes territory, which it's not. CAD is not universally/internationally used to compare prices between products. USD/EUR/GBP are (mainly USD).
  • 2 1
 @bananowy: hahahahahahahahahaha you win the award today for most ridiculous argument. I live in CANADA therefore, CAD prices are what matters to me. Wow. Have a drink and relax maybe. Disingenuous? Not sure you know what that means. Have a great day. Smile This is far too weird for me.
  • 2 1
 @bananowy You owned this CLOWN who clearly doesn't have knowledge of monetary systems. Look at the way he deflects and straw mans you, truly a circus.
  • 4 0
 This looks sick! Looking forward to the new Devinci Spartan so we can see an all Canada enduro brawl......Spartan is going to win in the value department me thinks....
  • 5 1
 With all these high pivot bikes coming out, will chain makers start making longer chains available or will owners just have to accept purchasing two chains?
  • 1 1
 Every high pivot bike from Norco will work with one chain, imagine it's the same from other brands.
  • 1 0
 @huckbuckit: I was referring to the longer path the chain must take over the idler pulley and down to the chainring. An example of this is the Forbidden Druid and Dreadnought requiring mating a 126 link chain with another chain to gain the links for proper sizing. www.forbiddenbike.com/pages/maximizing-gear-shifting-performance
  • 2 0
 @nicktapias:

Yeah, you don't need to add any extra links, from a standard chain to fit any Norco HP bike.
  • 4 2
 Compared to the Cannondale Jekyll that comes with EXO- tires, the weights are essentially the same. For durability, this is the weight you're going to have to accept in this category unless its a Scott, in which it likely less durable... Well executed machine Norco.
  • 4 4
 But i can get an aluminum enduro bike in the same weight range that will be cheaper, as well as more durable, dont see the reason for it
  • 3 0
 I’ve ridden Range’s for the last 6 years, the 2022 looks perfect except the weight. My 2019 is 33lbs with pedals and spare tube on the frame. 36.25lbs w/o peddles and lighter wheelset is pushing it for me.
  • 2 0
 Beautiful bike and all… but that lower link makes me wonder about long term durability. Side note, GMBN has a close look at the Spartan high pivot www.instagram.com/tv/CQdxyY7IspC/?utm_medium=copy_link
I wonder if the pricing will be more reasonable… and a Canadian made metal version? That would be the winner right there
  • 2 0
 I went to the bike park last weekend and had endless golf ball sized rocks pinging off my frame, idk if a carbon bike is the best option for an actual park bike. At least if you are an average Joe that doesn't get free frames. I was glad my patrol is alloy.
  • 8 3
 Antidote Darkmatter came up with this idea for a suspension layout a few years back and it looks better in my opinion
  • 4 0
 Funny, enduro mtb mag accidentally posted this to their FB page yesterday ahead of the release date.
  • 2 0
 No mention of the configuration that the DH team has been running this bike in? Can it accept a longer stroke shock for more rear travel? Are they running a full 200mm up front?
  • 11 0
 @Zaeius: During the development process with the Range, we recognized that the traits that made the High Virtual Pivot suspension layout perfect for Enduro would also be well-suited to the performance requirements of a World Cup DH bike.

The bolt-on rear dropout design offered a unique opportunity to adapt the geometry of Range to be appropriate for downhill without the need to alter carbon frame components, (In fact, that’s why you can see the bottle mounts in all those highly-analyzed video stills after the DH proto debuted at Crankworx last summer!) so we designed linkarms specific to downhill that provided the wheel travel and leverage curves required for the demands of World Cup courses and the Norco Factory Team’s fastest riders.
  • 1 0
 @norcobicycles: any chance of making those linkarms available to the public?
  • 2 1
 @Lans: No plans of that right now
  • 1 0
 @norcobicycles: Any chance a Dh version will be released? Blenki’s prototype looked really good and Im looking for a new race bike
  • 5 0
 @AustinNZ5: no plans yet, that bike is still very much in development
  • 3 0
 Suspension design looks fairly similar to a Devinci Wilson. Those bottom bracket pivot bearings always seem to take a beating and need a lot of attention.
  • 2 9
flag justinc5716 (Jun 23, 2021 at 12:38) (Below Threshold)
 Yes...this is a direct copy of the Wilson, just with longer moment arms to have a more gentle progression curve. The Wilson's leverage curve is almost a mechanical bump stop! The bash guard on mine has done its job a few times of protecting the BB pivot. I have to say, while the bearings do require a clinical level of cleanliness to avoid creaking, they have proven more than durable enough and I've just learned to deal with the occasional noise.
  • 8 4
 It ain't innovation when U copy a suspension layout from Antidote Bikes. I mean patented noster kinetics from darkmatter.
  • 3 2
 As more high pivot bikes become available, I’d like to see reviewers focus on descent sections that potentially induce pedal kickback. The physics of kickback show a strong correlation to chain growth…to the point that in my second hand info world, some strong riders in Whistler are migrating to low POE hubs like DT 18 pt to compensate for this occasional issue with their HP sleds.
  • 1 0
 O chain is a good option too
  • 9 0
 @frorider2, the idler pulley should minimize pedal kickback, that's one of the reasons we're seeing them used on so many bikes this year. I don't have a chart handy for the Norco, but the Cannondale Jekyll's can be seen here: www.pinkbike.com/photo/20827503.
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 @mikekazimer: thanks. I should’ve been more specific: as the industry plays around with designs that aren’t single pivot, the chainstay growth and idler location become variables they, and we, need to pay more attention to.
  • 10 0
 @frorider2, I guess I don't exactly understand where you're coming from - bikes with idlers should have much less kickback than ones without, and I don't see any real reason riders with high pivot bikes would be switching to lower engagement hubs.
  • 1 0
 @mikekazimer: I think he wants charts for pedal kick-back on NON HP bikes.
  • 1 0
 @mikekazimer:
The current Enduro has been tested by every major outlet and has been pretty much unanimously agreed upon thats its the fastest bike going down,.
Did this Norco take the crown from the mighty specialized Enduro?
  • 3 2
 I know these companies need to keep to some form of a schedule but the fact that everyone is launching bikes that 99% of us can't actually get our hands on is frustrating. Like many other recently released bikes i'm sure that you can't actually buy one with the build kit and size you want....

New Patrol drops, sick! When can I get one with good parts on it? Oh damn not til fall...
New Bronson drops, sick! When can I get one with good parts on it? No one even knows...

I tried to get a new Nomad a year ago...still no availability.

I assume we are looking at the same stuff here, it's not even window shopping at this point, it's just windows.
  • 2 0
 I would love to see more brands offer an M/L size and see 20mm reach jumps, instead of 30. This combined with 10mm of reach adjust in a 1.5 headtube would make everyone happy when it comes to fit.
  • 3 0
 Is no-one else noticing that all these high pivot bikes are just a conspiracy by Big Oil to sell more chain lube (that chain path's gotta be 25% longer!!)
  • 1 0
 Looks like a great bike, but does seem pretty hefty! I would have thought that the weight is going to narrow its useage. Say 37 pounds with the WAO wheels? At face value seems already 4 pounds heavier than the comparable TOTR Spire - and that doesnt have much in the way of carbon bling so room to go lower? I run a smashpot in my fork so definitely not a gram counter, but that is a lot of pies. Looking forward to comparisons on the new big bikes that are dropping - Spire, Jekkyl, Range, Dreadnought, new Firebird, alongside existing like Megatower, Enduro etc.
  • 1 0
 Looks like a modern version of three of my favourite bikes that I own ! A 98 Sunn radical, a katipo and a k9 dh-001s ! If I considered selling all three I doubt it would cover the cost of this bike and the fact that in the Uk the only company I know that sells Norco are Evans cycles so that throws a large spanner in the works there will be no demo bikes! You have to pay for the bike to be built before you even get to see one I’m guessing by previous dealings with them and a total lack of interest once purchased I’m assuming!
  • 1 0
 Nomad: best bike gotta have it
Switch infinity: everything else junk
Wreckoning: nothing can be better
Megatower: bike will rule forever
Enduro: will never be outdone
Range: best bike EVA

What a crazy market to be involved in. Tough to push the envelope when everything is already so dialed.
  • 3 0
 this bike is beautiful and your revue is the best one all year long. Straight to the point and poignant
  • 2 0
 Hoping a dreadnaught makes it into the field test as well, would be a great comparison. Granted getting a hold of one may be an issue...
  • 2 2
 Frame only 4k US dollars. This is a sport for rich people. I'm not rich. At that price the bike should last ten years. Too bad nothing fits ten years later. That's why I hord parts for my bike. Which is older than ten years. And works great! New and improved for the sake of a selling more bikes. Sad.
  • 4 1
 Pros: The bike doesn't idle around.
Cons: The idler hasn't broken yet.
  • 2 1
 pros: levy didn't write this review and focus on something inane.
  • 4 1
 It’s antidote dark matter with the pivot moved before the axle.
  • 4 3
 Why couldn't they make it in aluminum as having it carbon only brings it out of many people's price range also aluminum is more durable.
  • 4 0
 So far I have only cracked alu frames, but carbon frames are too expensive for many people
  • 1 0
 Including myself
  • 7 3
 @Senditcedee Because of the shapes and profiles of tubes and frame components used to achieve the Range’s High Virtual Pivot suspension design, carbon fibre construction is the ideal material to achieve the strength, durability and performance we needed to build into the Range.
  • 3 0
 I'll take a Sight please.
  • 3 1
 Omg all the new bikes have a idler pulley! Where can i buy one for my bikes
  • 3 1
 That lower pivot is going to get pulverized! Be sure to save some budget for a few crash replacement linkages!
  • 3 0
 We need a high pivot/idler pully field test
  • 3 0
 Heading to my local shop to order a frame right now!!
  • 2 0
 New maxxis aggegai front tire I rear has the traction of the assegai and the rolling speed of Blinki ... very cool bike.
  • 1 0
 Can someone tell me what tire all these bikes companies are using as a reference for their BB drop/height that has a 375mm radius when inflated?
  • 2 0
 My DD 29 2.5 Assegai on 30mm I.D rims measures up at 744-745mm in diameter at 30 psi
  • 2 0
 @norcobicycles - how can we buy one of these in the UK? Have you dropped Evans cycles yet?!
  • 4 2
 Rona riders gentrified bicycles
  • 12 11
 So 17kg for 9k, pretty light for an ebike, but I don't see the anything about the motor and battery... Ohhhh, oh no
  • 3 1
 yo Hondas suck
  • 1 3
 Lmao. This is definitely more of a shuttle day kind of bike.
  • 5 0
 @DylanH93: It definitely is not...that's what the new Shore is for.
  • 1 1
 @SpecSRAM: i pedal my 38 pound shore up all the mountains i used to ride when i had a carbon enduro bike so..
  • 2 1
 @crysvb: That just says something more about your abilities than the bike. I can also pedal a DH bike all day uphill, doesn't mean it's not a shuttling bike lol.
  • 1 1
 @SpecSRAM: it kind of does.. my shore has the eagle, a dropper and single crown fork on it. it's marketed as freeride but the shore could be full DH or more enduro depending on how it gets built up.
  • 1 0
 @SpecSRAM: not saying it can't be used for other stuff. But that's a big bike and high pivot is much more about traction than playfulness. Personally just thought it would be a killer shuttle/bike park kinda bike. For more regular trails I prefer less travel and more conservative geometry. And I don't usually give a crap about weight but that's pushing it. Not at all trying to shit on your bike here, it looks sick!!
  • 2 0
 @DylanH93: Oh man, I can't wait to get a leg over one of these. I'm currently riding a 20 Sight SE which is already a very fast bike...the Range is going to be nuts.
  • 1 0
 @mikekazimer Whats up with the scratching on the shock tunnel from the chain as it heads towards the idler ?
  • 3 1
 That BB is gonna take a C !
  • 2 0
 New Sight coming this model year (2022)?
  • 3 0
 New build? Undoubtedly. New frame? Unlikely.
  • 2 0
 andddd its out of stock..
  • 2 1
 single crown build lol. guess the perception of being a downhill bike would hurt sales? (i know its DC compatible)
  • 2 0
 That’s one expensive base model.
  • 2 1
 The presentation seemed like an outtake, maybe the bike really left him at a loss for words?
  • 3 1
 Dreadnought for 3499 please
  • 2 0
 And that's a looooot of chain right there...
  • 2 0
 $9k and they can’t even include a SLS spring?
  • 2 0
 I misread the title as high pivot goddess.
  • 1 0
 Great to see anther high pivot design hit the market, beautiful bike , sick lines , looks fast
  • 2 0
 That lower link is going to eat the rocks
  • 2 0
 They sure do know a thing or two about seatpost length
  • 1 0
 And now bring out the high pivot sight with 145 mm rear travel.... Perhaps with alloy frame Too
  • 1 0
 Where can you buy norco in the Uk ? Don’t think Evans cycles are selling new models or distributing them anymore
  • 7 5
 Looks like a Balfa
  • 2 0
 Huh.
  • 2 1
 I can't believe no one has named their high pivot bike the Parallelogram
  • 1 0
 High pivot mullet in 2024!
  • 2 0
 My 2022 bike
  • 1 1
 Norco...expanding their range into the dentist segment. The new Range range is pricey.
  • 1 0
 I want this just for the standover height.
  • 1 0
 Looks like a Forbidden twin
  • 2 3
 I hope Norco engineers sort out the hard hit of the seat stay link to dropper post tube when you bottom out as it was on two last generations of the range.
  • 1 0
 Blurring the line between dh n trail bikes
  • 1 0
 Carbon for Race!!! Aluminum for getting Rowdy!!!
  • 1 0
 Can we call this freeride again?
  • 2 2
 I was hoping for a norco bike like this with around 150 travel this is pretty much a downhill bike
  • 2 1
 Thanks for taking the time to comment but not to actually help out.
  • 1 0
 What a beautiful BB height and Chainstay length!!
  • 2 1
 2years high pivots and mullets will be gone...again
  • 2 0
 I really do wonder if it'll be like plus sized tires a few years ago. Neither mullets or high pivot are new ideas. Seems they recycle them every so often haha.
  • 2 2
 Expensive. Has it been laminated with the pubic hair from virgin valkyrie using gods snot as resin?
  • 1 0
 Looks and sounds amazing!
  • 1 0
 What’s all the Buzz about high pivots…
  • 1 0
 First Norco that I really want! kudos Norco!
  • 1 0
 $9k and 36lbs? sounds like a pro DH bike...
  • 1 0
 Shore looks similar to another bike they just released
  • 2 5
 No mention of the norco shore in the article? (I have yet to watch the video...) I'm going to compare the #s, just curious how these stack up against eachother in the Norco product line.
  • 12 1
 Shore has 27.5 wheels and is more of a jump/park/freeride bike. This is an enduro race bike, better at going fast in rough but not as good in the bike park for sending
  • 5 0
 Mentioned in the video
  • 1 1
 Thinking that brown would look pretty prime with Kashima.
  • 4 7
 Looks like a Druid!!!! And holy f*ck , talk about proud pricing.Trying to make up for a couple years of no Range to sell. Is any of the bike even made in North America? Other then assemble.
  • 1 0
 I want one
  • 1 3
 Looks like Lewis Buchanan bring a lot of forbidden stuff. But I'm a bit shocked by the pricing. I can have SB165 or SB150 on fox factory suspension with axs for the price
  • 1 1
 E BIKE version gna be ridiculous
  • 1 0
 We are one or DT SwisS?
  • 22 24
 Yo Forbidden can I copy your homework?
Yea, but just change it up a little.
  • 24 7
 "Yo Forbidden, since you borrowed the design of our DH bike, you don't mind if we take your enduro bike and make it better right? Cool cool."
  • 24 3
 @dkidd: Yo Forbidden, we know your founder designed our DH bike and then applied his designs to his own company, but we're still retaining the rights to use it in the future.
  • 4 11
flag chwk (Jun 23, 2021 at 9:18) (Below Threshold)
 @dkidd: Yes because the Norco HSP looks exactly like the Forbidden aside from the high pivot...
  • 10 0
 Didnt the Forbidden founder used to work at Norco?
  • 8 1
 you do know that Owen Pemberton, the owner/engineer of Forbidden used to work for Norco, right?
  • 6 2
 @deepstrut: You're right! So technically I guess the Forbidden looks like this, then! lol
  • 1 0
 Either you are pinkishbike, or they stole your comment for an instagram meme. Pretty sure the guy is german and not Canadian though.
  • 1 0
 @MikeyMT: this bike was designed years ago and that designer is at forbidden now but I don’t remember if he’s the founder. Certainly the same guy penned both.
  • 9 10
 7k CAD for an SLX build that's probably pushing 40lbs? What a bargain!
  • 3 2
 is that more or less than the $4400US for the Jekyll with Deore?
  • 1 0
 @ReformedRoadie: And that top spec Jeklyll has Formula hubs!
  • 1 3
 Looks like a Se....Wilson?
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