First Ride: 2022 Nukeproof Megawatt - a Mega With a Motor

Jun 30, 2021
by Seb Stott  


Nukeproof took their time to come out with their first electric mountain bike. Their debut eMTB has been in development for a long time, and it's called the Megawatt.

The Mega platform is one of the brand's most iconic models and has been around since 2009; the Megawatt shares a lot with the V4 Mega released last year. Unlike the longer-travel Giga, it uses a Horst-link layout with a top-tube mounted rocker link to deliver 165mm of rear wheel travel, along with a 170mm fork. Unlike the Mega, which is available with a pair of 27.5" or a pair of 29" wheels, the Megawatt is mullet only, with a 27.5" rear wheel helping to keep the chainstays reasonably short.
Nukeproof Megawatt Details

• Wheel size: 29" front / 27.5" rear
• Travel: 165mm (r) / 170mm (f)
• Frame material: aluminum
• 64-degree head angle
• 78-degree seat angle
• 442mm chainstays
• Weight: 24.6Kg / 54.2lbs (Actual, XXL)
• Sizes: S, M, L, XL, XXL (tested)
• Price: $5,499.99 to $7,499.99 USD (as tested)
nukeproof.com/


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There are three different models, with prices ranging from $5,499.99 to $7,499.99 USD. All three have aluminum frames and use Shimano's latest EP8 motor. While the base model makes do with a 504Wh battery, the other two have 630Wh to play with.

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What do you think of through-the-headset cable routing?

Frame Details

Nukeproof just managed to make room for a small water bottle between the portly downtube and shock, which is a great thing in my book. There's another pair of bosses under the top tube for extra storage.

The cables are routed through the headset - something we're seeing more often lately. I'm not sure I like the idea of having to slightly take apart the headset to install cables (as if internal cable and brake routing wasn't enough of a faff). It doesn't rattle though.

The battery can be quickly installed and removed through the bottom of the down tube.

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Chain noise is kept in check with a rubber chainstay protector
03.06.21. Pinkbike BikePark Wales Rider Seb Stott. PIC Andy Lloyd www.andylloyd.photography andylloyder
Eyelet bearings should improve sensitivity compared to bushings, especially with the short link which has a lot of rotation.

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Suspension

The Megawatt's suspension closely resembles the meat-powered Mega, and that's no bad thing. While the leverage curve on older versions of the Mega had a high leverage ratio in the middle of the travel, creating a lot of mid-travel wallow, the new Mega and Megawatt share a more progressive layout, so the suspension stiffness (relative to the shock) increases throughout the travel. The Megawatt is slightly more progressive than the non-motorized Mega, with 21% change in leverage ratio from start to finish, compared to 17% for the traditional bike.


With the Float X2 shock, this gives the Megawatt a very supple beginning to the stroke with support building smoothly after sag.

Anti-squat is slightly on the lower side, though this is typical for an ebike. It has just under 100% anti-squat at sag in the 50-tooth gear but lower values in the smaller sprockets, dropping to around 50% in the 10t cog. That means if you stamp on the pedals it will bob a little, but it stays level when the motor is doing most of the work. That's because the motor has a fairly constant power output, whereas pedaling power comes and goes with each quarter-turn of the cranks, resulting in the suspension compressing with each power-stroke.

The vertically-aligned upper link makes for relatively high anti-rise values near the start of the travel, which means the bike will sit a little deeper into its travel under braking compared to some Horst-link designs with a horizontal rocker ink.



Geometry and Sizing

The Megawatt's five size range goes from 435mm reach in small to 515mm in XXL, with nice and consistent 20mm gaps in-between. The stack height on the XXL (which I tested) is taller than most bikes, which makes for an even roomier cockpit than the 515mm reach would suggest because it increases the spread slightly.

The chainstays are fairly short for an eMTB, at 442mm in all sizes.The effective seat angle is claimed to be 77.5-degrees in the small and medium, rising to 78-degrees in the larger sizes. My XXL test bike measures in at 77.9-degrees at my pedaling height. The head angle is claimed to be 64-degrees, though I measure my test bike at 63.7-degrees. A little deviation from the geometry chart is completely normal when measuring bikes, and all the other measurements are true to what the chart says.

Speaking of measurements, some of Nukeproof's press material says the rear travel is 170mm, but the kinematic charts they provide go up to 165mm. By compressing the suspension fully with a ratchet strap, I measured the vertical travel from full top-out to bottom-out at 165mm, though the usable travel is more like 160mm from where the unloaded shock naturally reaches equilibrium without forcing it to top-out. I've measured the travel on a lot of bikes in this way and it's usual for the real-world travel to under-deliver like this.


Models, Specs and Prices

Megawatt Comp - £4,999.99 / €5,999.99 / $5,499.99


Megawatt Elite - £5,999.99 / €7,199.99 / $6,599.99


Megawatt Factory - £6,999.99 / €8,199.99 / $7,499.99

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The Factory model I have on test uses a Fox 38 fork with the E-bike damper tune. That's actually slightly lighter compression damping range than the standard fork. The shock uses Fox's light compression tune too, with a medium rebound range. It's cool to see Maxxis' DoubleDown tires from the off, and I was pleasantly surprised by the XT four-pot brakes on this particular test bike, which are pretty much free of the wandering bite point issue Shimano brakes can display.

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Ride Impressions

I'm not going to beat around the bush: Nukeproof have knocked this one out of the park. At 24.6Kg, it's certainly not the lightest, but it doesn't feel like a lump when you're riding. The relatively short chainstays make it appreciably easier to pick up the front to hop or manual over obstacles than many lighter e-bikes with longer stays. But unlike some regular bikes with short chainstays, there's plenty of weight on the front tire to keep it gripping on flat turns without having to lean on the bar. Add to that the very active suspension, which I've setup pretty light on compression and rebound damping, and the bike feels particularly lively and energetic as e-bikes go.

What impresses most is the traction. The bike settles into its early travel very easily, sagging under its own weight, and gets moving at the slightest touch. That makes it feel stuck to the ground and really surefooted on those small bump, low-grip situations. Yet even with 30% sag, there's plenty to push against later in the travel.

The other thing I like is the fit. At 190cm (6'3"), i'm in-between the XL and XXL on Nukeproof's chart, but the XXL suits me very well. There's plenty of room to move around to put weight where it's needed but, as I said, it doesn't require a conscious effort to keep the front tire loaded even on flat or off-camber turns. I could do with the handlebar a touch higher, but that could be fixed with a handlebar swap.

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Despite that, I felt really comfortable getting up to speed on rough and steep trails from the first ride. Those first impressions have only grown as I've ridden it more and more. Everywhere from fast bike park terrain to awkward tech, I've felt comfortable and confident on it. It's stable and ground-hugging, but still relatively easy to jump, hop and maneuver around the tighter bits of trail. I've had to run the tires 1-2psi firmer than other e-bikes in my shed with the same tire spec because I've been pushing this one a bit harder.

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On steep climbs, the suspension does squat noticeably into its travel, but the steep effective seat angle makes it easy to keep the front wheel from lifting regardless. And while a 29" wheel would be even better when riding up rocky steps, the suspension remains very supple under power which makes it easy to maintain traction on technical climbs.

While all e-bikes climb pretty well, many of them still have awkward handling and suspension characteristics which mean the descents can feel compromised. This is the first eMTB I've ridden which descends practically as well as a regular bike. It's different, of course: there's no hiding the extra weight on a tight rut track or janky rock section, but on the other hand the weight boosts stability and traction on high-speed terrain. Nukeproof have the Megawatt's suspension and geometry worked out so nicely that it capitalizes on that stability without feeling dead or awkward on slower speed terrain. Not bad for a first attempt.

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161 Comments

  • 176 2
 IMPORTANT NOTICE. I see that more and more companies are making the same HUGE mistake. When Across representative calls you and tries to convince you that your new frame design needs their headset, please hang up the phone. Those holes for cables are nothing else than HORROR. I was riding a bike with this headset this year and it was an absolute nightmare. Lower bearing was in sand and dirt all the time. Guess why. Because you have TWO big gaping holes in your headset! If you ride in mud, sand or anything other than tarmac, you don't want this product in your life. It's a ridiculous product that should not exist. Period.
  • 23 0
 I agree with that - This would genuinely put me off buying this bike as it looks like there is no other option for cable routing.

So you are stuck to this type of routing and stuck with an Acros headset, no angle / reach headsets and as you say you have to deal with great big holes in the upper assembly, would it have been so hard to pop a few holes in one of the tubes and stick a rubber grommet in there?
  • 7 0
 Agreed, I have a crash replacement discount for a Vitus that I'm probably not going to use because the e-sommet has that same Acros headset.
  • 7 0
 @Woody25: That's a coincidence. I rejected Vitus for the same reason. I also rejected Alutech eFanes for exactly the same reason. And quite a lot of other brands. I think this is where internal cable routing went too far. This headset changes absolutely nothing and just makes the bike much worse. Bummer.
  • 22 0
 I can't comment on the functionality of that headset, but from a home maintenance POV it's a big turn-off.
But more importantly - why are they even trying to make a chonky great ebike look sleek and uncluttered?
It's not like there's a lack of downtube to run the cables along.
  • 9 1
 I agree - avoid ACROS at all cost - they have a lot of stupid priorietary designs (p.ex. headsets where you need a press to press the bearings in) - resulting in super poor reliability and you're not able to maintain it yourself.

Threw it out and put a Hope headset it, completely worry free. Changing bearings is a 5min job.
  • 4 0
 @mo-T: But they must have a really great marketing department. Lots of folks bought into this nonsense.

I use Hope headset. It's not only easy to use, but it's the only headset wide enough to take it fully out from a carbon frame without damaging the frame. It has nice wide flange. With cane creek it's super hard.
  • 3 1
 Not to mention the chance of cable rub sawing through the fork steerer tube over time. Which has happened on other bikes with cables passing here. The obvious consequence of weakening the fork tube is to be avoided at all cost!
  • 5 0
 @Woody25: ill take it bro
  • 5 0
 @notphaedrus: In my case the cables were actually rubbing mostly against carbon frame. Not a solution for a longevity of the bike if you ask me. It's a part designed for Kardashians. 100% looks 0% practicality.
  • 5 0
 Poor old Steve Jones on embn is so paid off its untrue. He likes the headset lol
  • 7 0
 @goroncy: 100%. Just having this conversation yesterday; in my eyes, headset routing is a TT trend (where, through slightly gritted teeth, I’ll at least admit there’s a purpose - if you’re dropping top dollar on an aero bike, it might as well be as aero as possible), but a trend that really needs to vanish from the MTB world ASAP.
The trade off between the visual effect (neatness) of a few inches of exposed cables (on a massive , non aero E-Bike) vs the hassles & headaches that come with headset routing (outlined above) is a poor one, for both shops, home mechanics and for longer term durability.
Add in the fact that there doesn’t appear to be a redundant secondary routing system you can use (subtle basic external guides would be perfectly fine) and that would make me (as someone with LBS workshop experience & potentially in the market for an E bike later this year) look elsewhere.
Shame, because it looks great otherwise, but as is so often the case; small details count.
  • 3 0
 Acros headsets are the only headsets I have had problems with. Out of 3 on different bikes, all have failed within a year. Even the non branded headsets on cheap bikes last longer.
  • 1 0
 Both of my bikes (a 2019 hardtail and 2009 BMX) have factory FSA headsets, and they have lasted the lifetime of both bikes with no issues so far.
  • 2 0
 Question; could you use some silicone to seal this up and would it make it more reliable? Asking for a friend. Smile I mean, judging by the comments here, they may have just banked their whole first release on that headset...would there be a fix for those first buyers? Again asking for a friend.
  • 1 0
 @mo-T: No worries pressing the bearings in. But oh my word when (not "if") comes the day you need to change the worn out bearing, start prying it out of the cup and only the inner race drops on the floor. Then the headache begins, trying to figure out a way to get the outer race out. Completely unnecessary faff.
  • 2 0
 @mo-T: @goroncy : Agree with both of you. Had issues with a completely normal Acros headset which came with the frame. Not being able to change the bearing without changing the whole cup is idiotic. Changed to Hope again, happy again.

I have the Acros cable routing headset in a Gravel Bike. It probably won't ever see as much dirt thrown around everywhere as my mountainbike in one winter, so I hope it'll hold up long enough.
  • 1 0
 @Workscomponents

Any chance of making a 56-66 normal and reach adjust headset to save the day ?
  • 1 0
 @mo-T: I replaced mine with a Chris King, so replacing bearings is only a every 5 years job.
  • 3 0
 More importantly.... can't we just get back to external routing?!
  • 1 0
 Holy crap, you guys just blew my mind, and made me sad, because this bike seems dope. Good point! I have an Acros on my Jeffsy, and just from washes and hanging the bike it's super gritty. I personally don't care about internal vs external. If anything that is what makes the privateer bikes interesting 0 they seem logical in design with everything.
  • 41 1
 ‘Review Day After Tomorrow’ just isn’t quite as catchy, but we’re getting closer!
  • 39 0
 Terrible movie. One star.

Can I go back to reviewing bikes now @brianpark?
  • 10 0
 Newsflash Seb Stott to appear in new films 'I only ride E' and 'Fully Charged', both written and produced by Brian Park for the Pinkbike Network.
  • 4 0
 Riveting and compelling.
  • 5 6
 "Powerful" ... "Electrifying" ... "It's just a motorbike".
  • 1 4
 @chakaping: bike brand starts designing a dirt bike! (I hope u understand it)
  • 28 2
 Honestly, does anyone like these colors!?! Why do all bikes currently look like military vehicles?
  • 10 2
 I like to think of it as baby shit green. I also happen to think it looks pretty good on the giga.
  • 3 1
 The dark grey looks pretty good, but as someone who love green, this shade of baby fart green looks awful.
  • 3 0
 To match their Tacomas. Seriously, though, I think these colours tend to hide being dirty better.
  • 1 0
 I do. Matches the color of my dookie.
  • 19 3
 The design is horrible, dark grey and Nukeproof written in yellow by a 10 year old? Also! The cablerouting in the back is the absolute worst and the headset will get filled with dirt because of the holes for the cables! Nightmare
  • 18 5
 Nukeproof may have taken their time on an ebike release, but been planning since 2009 to nail it! MegaWatt, a Mega with a Motor, excellent work. We're now naturally primed and all ready for the future GigaWatt also.... well played Nukeproof, well played, Captain Foresight salutes you
  • 10 1
 ... Captain Foreskin salutes you !
  • 10 0
 I like it but I want 200mm dual crown version
  • 5 0
 You'll have to wait for the Gigawatt for that option
  • 2 0
 @Jules15: Terawatt
  • 1 1
 @nukedchipp: so is not an SI prefix try again
  • 2 0
 @DAN-ROCKS: manykilowatt
  • 1 0
 @nukedchipp: hehehehhehehehehe
  • 7 0
 Why are ebikes start off so expensive nowadays?

18 months ago I bought my Canyon Spectral:ON with Fox 36 (Rhythm) fork and Fox Float shock for £3000.

I know... I know... pandemic.. supply issues...
  • 2 1
 Yup, I'm happier than ever with my 2018 commencal e-bike with similar geo and specs for a much lower price. I would need to pay out close to 2x the price just to get the nukeproof with similar specs and a slightly bigger battery.
  • 1 0
 @Mugen: That was 3 years ago now man, check 2021 Commencal prices out.
  • 3 0
 @justanotherusername: Yup all brands have gone up, just pointing out another example like the comment above...

(and if anything, the new meta-power 27.5 entry level is 500e cheaper and has the big 630Wh battery)
  • 4 0
 Prices are ridiculous now.
  • 5 0
 They are just creeping up to a level where total price becomes irrelevant. It's all how how much per month someone can afford just like cars. The more people keep enslaving themselves to finance deals for these things the worse it gets. I rarely hear of anyone saving up to buy a bike now. All I hear is 0% this, credit card that Frown
  • 2 0
 @Skaiwawker:
I’m guessing a few stick that 6000 in the market for 6 months during the 0% period, but it’s likely the minority. Most eBike buyers here are 35+ and buy in cash. I’ve never met someone who financed a bike out of necessity. It’s a bit nutty.
  • 1 0
 @Skaiwawker: really? I don't know anyone who's financed a bike. Even fellow students with only part time jobs save up and buy them outright. I don't like the sound of that future.
  • 1 0
 @DylanH93: I have and it was a long, long time ago. My second mountain bike. 90 days same as cash.
  • 1 0
 @DylanH93: tons of e-bikes are financed, especially in europe. But this is mostly commuter/city/ute bikes, not performance road or mountain bikes.
  • 1 0
 @Skaiwawker: yep, give it a few years and we'll have a booming PCP bike trade
  • 6 0
 Is the rear suspension layout really any better than the Vitus esommet? As the Vitus mid and top models are a better buy on paper compared to the NP comp are very similar spec and geo wise.
  • 8 1
 You make a good point. The Vitus is arguably better value. I've not ridden the Vitus but the Fox suspension on the Factory Nukeproof works very well, and the XXL size is great if you're tall. It's always marginal gains with bikes over about 5K, so on a cost/performance ratio the Vitus is probably a better buy but if you're willing to pay more the Nukeproof is very, very good.
  • 7 0
 should come with a ski rack so one can strap a BD Megawatt to the top tube...
  • 6 0
 I though the headset cable routing was questionable, then i saw the run between the seatstay and the RD.. :'(
  • 2 0
 Dunno who thought any of the cable routing was a good idea.
You can always cable tie your stuff externally, but you really shouldn't have to on a 5/6/7k bike
  • 1 0
 seatstay to RD makes sense to me, but DT/BB to seatstay seems crazy... making both der cable and brake hose deal with the full length of shock compression cycles? vs flexing through some mild angles of a chainstay?
  • 7 1
 With current stock shortages & delays, could it be renamed the "Megawhen"?
  • 6 0
 or after name it after a darkwing duck villain - megavolt Smile
  • 4 0
 Did not expect to see a Darkwing Duck reference here. Big thumbs up!
  • 9 4
 Wake me up when it shaves 10kgs of its weight
  • 17 0
 Alright, George Michael
  • 1 0
 @dubod22: hahahah GOLD!
  • 6 2
 @dubod22: Big Grin you got me

Anyway 24.6 kg for a bike is really too much for me, I'd prefer lighter battery and motor possible with less powerful assistance
  • 2 0
 Damn that's awesome!! New bike looks sick! If I ever have the money for an ebike I'm going for this. Always thought it was interesting how vitus had an ebike but nukeproof didn't yet. Excellent review from Seb as always!
  • 6 0
 Aaaaand it's sold out...
  • 1 0
 Nukeproof is just running a long ge with bike names that is about to culminate in a Back to the Future marketing campaign, staring Nigel Page as Doc, where they release this bikes bigger brother as the Gigawatt....that packs a "1.21 GIGAWATT!!!!!" Power output.
  • 4 0
 Looks so much like the Nukeproof’s of old. I love it!
  • 3 0
 Not sure if that water bottle fits.... but after a few bottom-outs it should fit just fine.
  • 8 3
 55lbs is pretty heavy.
  • 7 0
 It's a pound less than 56lb though
  • 10 9
 Why does it matter? If you ride a E-Bike you are going to gain 15lbs of fat
  • 5 0
 @in2falling: I don't think so. I realize after being very active my entire life, when it comes to weight, it is more about the duration of activity than the intensity. Eating habits are big as well.. Look at Asian countries like Japan and Korea. Under 4% of population is obese and 25_30% overweight compared to 42% obese and 70% overweight in the US. It is because they walk a ton and eat less.
  • 2 0
 People don't like to hear heavy bike weight numbers so you need small figures to disguise it, like 2.47 Ibis Exie's.
  • 1 0
 More headtube cable/hose routing f*ckery. Why is that a priority? Surely this 40lb bike isn't looking for aero advantage. Bikes that are ridden in the dirt should have external routing and less holes near bearing systems.
  • 9 7
 They really missed an opportunity to name this the
"Gigawatt".. you know, as in "1.21 Gigawatts!"
  • 9 2
 No they didn't, Because this is based on the mega. I wouldn't be surprised if we see one based on the giga and that would be the gigawatt. Reactorwatt sounds wierd though...
  • 9 0
 I don't think he 'got it' ....
  • 1 0
 @inked-up-metalhead: Unless they decide to make "Watt" their marketing term for all ebikes, I'm sure they will have a blast coming up with the name for the (possible) Reactor ebike version. So many nuclear reactor related references to draw from.
  • 6 1
 @inked-up-metalhead: someone in marketing is kicking themselves for not pushing to call it the Kilo instead of Reactor
  • 5 0
 Came on here for the 1.21 gigawatt gag. Not disappointed.
  • 9 0
 @mashrv1: I'll survive...
  • 1 0
 @Braapp: nuke reactor?
  • 1 0
 @Braapp: I don’t know if I wanted to ride a Nukeproof Meltdown
  • 2 0
 @Upduro: Sounds like a blast
  • 6 2
 Mega segway, sweet…
  • 4 0
 Great review
  • 2 0
 in other news Sam Hill just retired to EWS-e, will race on Dura Ace clipless pedals
  • 4 0
 Can't wait to see some videos of Sam Hill ripping around on the MegaWattSmile
  • 3 0
 @mr-epic-3: I definitely can.
  • 2 0
 Will there be availability in the US? Vitus Emtbs have not been available here due to I suppose issues shipping batteries.
  • 3 0
 E-Bikes are not fair= Life is not fair
  • 1 1
 As the Nukeproof marketing tag line goes: Sorry, Not Sorry!

Sorry that I look like I am having way more fun on my eMTB.

Not Sorry that I am having way more fun on my eMTB, then you are having on your MTB.
  • 1 0
 Elliot Heap and Adam Brayton ride in muck all the time, I wonder what their input was as far as that open headset and that cable routing
  • 2 0
 @theboypanda Fantastic prediction on the name
  • 10 7
 Good god that’s ugly.
  • 3 1
 damn near $2000 cheaper in the US than UK. LOL
  • 9 13
flag RadBikeBro (Jun 30, 2021 at 3:44) (Below Threshold)
 I know - I was looking at that too! The elite $6,599 would be £4,760 in comparison instead of the listed £6,999? I'm blaming those f*cking old people and racists voting us out of the EU.
  • 8 0
 US prices generally don’t include tax
  • 2 1
 @Medacus: not all states have sales tax
  • 11 9
 @RadBikeBro: LOL. how is it racist to vote to leave the EU????
  • 11 5
 @conoat: Racist used to have an actual definition, but now it just means "I don't like that ____, so it's racist"
  • 9 4
 @conoat: I'm not saying it's racist to leave the EU, but the racists pushed their Brexit agenda hardest with the whole vote out so you can stop immigration.
  • 2 0
 @Medacus: that does make more sense
  • 5 9
flag conoat (Jun 30, 2021 at 10:16) (Below Threshold)
 @RadBikeBro: has immigration stopped?

perhaps leavers just wanted the UK to have the power of self determination regarding immigration, instead of leaving it to Brussels to dictate who/how many they had to let in? call me crazy, but there is nothing racist about setting limits and vetting immigrants.

you see racism everywhere because you go out looking for it.

"careful what you look for. you will likely find it"
  • 5 0
 @conoat: The UK already had the power of self determination regarding immigration while being in the EU. Blame the consecutive governments for not using that power, not the EU that had nothing to do with it and certainly did not dictate who the UK had to let in. I think you might also be confusing the EU with the Schengen agreement, which the UK was never a part of. Always good to fact-check whatever campaigners are saying.

And just because immigration has not stopped, does not mean a number of voters weren't hoping so or even convinced that it would by a misleading campaign. The naivety goes deeper: people exist in this country who believed not only new immigration was going to be curbed, but that EU nationals already here would get forced out of the UK and kept asking "why are they still here" days after the vote (i.e. before even actually leaving the EU). Not to even mention some numpties' surprise at non-EU immigration still happening after leaving the EU. So yeah, don't give the average voter too much credit Wink

Saying xenophobia was not motivating a large contingent of voters (note I'm not saying "all voters") and that utilising it was not an integral part of leave campaign's strategy is just trying to create an alternative reality. Those guys knew exactly what strings to pull to tap into that forgotten, economically left behind, previously inactive, disappointed with all politics electorate and get them emotional. Again, blame several consecutive governments for not giving a single damn about those people who struggled with the UK transitioning from a manufacturer and exporter to a financial services based economy.
  • 1 3
 @bananowy: what ever nuance you want to invent to explain the topic and outcome, doesn't really reflect reality.

the reality is that the EU is a failed/failing idea. leaving now before the feces hits the air moving device, is better in the long run. after all, isn't it the position of neo-liberals and Labour that "the ends justify the means?". it cracks me up when Labour wants to stand on principles when it suits them, but then when they lose, its all the coal faced, country bumpkins that are racist!!!!!!

The EU is an organization of corruption, ineptitude and concentration of power. Europe is far too diverse to think that Brussels can possibly know best for all. The smaller the block of humans, the better. the UK should likely be like 9-10 different countries itself. That isn't xenaphobia, it's rationality. I don't fear people that are different or not from a place. I simply want all people to live their best life. I can't possibly know what that is for billions of people, so I want as much autonomy as is possible. countries of 1 human is the ideal, and we work from there. Humans aren't wired to live in the manner the majority of them live now. Being expected to give a shit about anyone outside of your 100-200 people you know, is laughable. You don't care in the same way. you cannot. but the powers that be want to try and shame and pressure you into thinking someone in Nairobi has the same right to resources in YOUR country or town, as you and YOUR family do. that's nuts
  • 3 0
 @conoat: Dude, chill. Most of what you said has exactly zero to do with my comment and you are projecting some weird views on me that I definitely did not express. It's OK if you had to vent though.

I did not say anything about whether the EU works as an institution or not. That was not the topic.

All I did was state the simple fact (no nuance here and I'm not inventing anything) that the UK had full right to limit or stop immigration while being in the EU. The governments, both Labour and Conservative, CHOSE not to exercise that right. I only wrote this to correct your wrong assumption that leaving the EU was necessary to regain that right. The same assumption was mistakenly made by many voters based on campaigners' false claims. What's so complex here that you do not understand?

I have no idea why you are bringing political parties into it, when both major ones had a similar split of leave and remain supporting MPs. You're making things up instead of talking facts and you want to make it a partisan argument, which it most certainly is not.

You're also confused about "Brussels" somehow magically making decisions for all the EU countries. That is not the case and not how the EU works. Again, note I'm not judging one way or another whether it is good or not. Just correcting very simple facts.

Your entire last paragraph is completely irrelevant to this conversation so you kind of wasted your time typing it out but that's fine; for some reason you wanted to voice your opinions on unrelated matters. I guess the fact you try to present opinions as truths is just your style, not uncommon either.

The only thing that's on topic-ish in there is you suggesting I don't know what the word "xenophobia" means. No need to worry. I do and I used it correctly in my post. Please note I used it in a completely different context than you suggest I did, so it isn't really worth me addressing those projections.


I think the bottom line here is that instead of discussing facts with a cool head you got all emotional and created some strange image of me in your mind, attributed certain views and opinions to me that I never shared and you are now trying to argue with that made up image. And you know what, that's perfectly fine. In your head and in your world I can really be whatever you want me to be. I have no influence over that. Who I am in your imagination is entirely up to you. You will have to continue the argument in your head though, that part I can't help you with Smile
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 Ill wait for the Gigawatt.
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 Now I know where the Techno Viking has gone. Photoshoots for PB
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 "other e-bikes in my shed"
Bloody hell I couldn't even afford a battery for even one!
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 Nice job hiding those cables to highlight the ugliness of the frame. Mission accomplished!
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 not even a hater, but that is the most generic looking "ebike" i've seen
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 This bike is ugly. Giga looks bad (despite being great bike) but this thing....
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 Mega:
adjective:- very large; huge.

It's all about size Smile
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 @sebstott were this filmed in Glentress?
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 Knew this was coming... Saw the "spy shots" yesterday
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 Please never say “meat powered” again
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 hurray for more seb
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 Totally agree!! I love his delivery and approach at reviewing tech. An excellent addition to the PB team.
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 A face made for radio. Shuttle was the ugliest bike, till now.
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 20mm reach jumps. Good work!
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 PB confirmed. E-bikes have motors.
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 Watt is this?
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 a motorbike, The new axell hodges moto por slaygroung 4 xD
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 7,199.99 / $6,599.99 are you having a laugh? .... brexit ...
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 As much as I love Nukeproof bikes that one is so ugly.
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 Another 504 battery . What’s wrong with these companies ?
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 Sorry I misread
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 T'Wat?
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 one for the fanboys.
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 Imagine having $5k+ to spend on a new bike and opting for this travesty. The mind boggles.
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 Fugly. Not as Niner or Pivot ebikes, but still fugly.
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 Looks like 10 years old ebike with fancy suspension. I’ll pass.
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 Mind not to get your welt caught in the motor
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