First Ride: Devinci's New Django Carbon 29

Sep 3, 2019
by Daniel Sapp  



For 2020, Devinci have revamped their Django trail bike. The bike retains the 120mm of travel and 29" wheels found on the previous version, but heads down the well-trodden longer and slacker path. Along with the geometry changes, it also gets SuperBoost 157 spacing, which Devinci first implemented on their Troy trail bike, and then the Spartan.

There are carbon and aluminum frame options for the new Django, with complete builds starting at $2,699 USD (2,899 EU) for an aluminum frame and a mix of SRAM SX and NX parts, and then go up to $8,399 USD (8,699 EU) for the top of the line Django Carbon 29 with a SRAM X01 build.


Django Carbon 29 GX LTD Details

• Intended use: Trail / All-Mountain
• Wheel size: 29"
• Travel: 120mm (rear) / 140mm fork
• Boost 12x157mm
• Carbon frame
• Size: XS through XL
• Metric shock spacing
• Weight: 30.16 lbs (13.68kg)
• Price: $5,899 USD (6,099 EU)
www.devinci.com
Also in the mix of builds is a GX LTD spec - this bike comes with SRAM G2 brakes with 200mm rotors and a burlier parts build for $5,899 USD (6,099 EU) and is the model of the bike we've been on for a few rides now.

Photo by Andy Vathis
Photo by Andy Vathis

Frame Details

Full Carbon Frame: The carbon-framed Django uses a carbon front end, rear end, and linkage. The new frame is 300g lighter (medium) than the previous Django.

Frame Protection: For frame protection, there's a soft compound guard on the chainstay protector to keep chain quieter. There's also a large guard on the down tube.

Cable Routing: Cable routing is internal in both frame and chainstays. When deciding on the routing configuration, Devinci's designers identified places where there could be frame rub or wear and avoided it - for instance, where the cable moves under the pivot, there's a lot less cable movement than if it was farther outboard.

Photo by Andy Vathis
Cable retention - minimal and effective.
Photo by Andy Vathis
Fully internal, clean, and rattle free - at least in my experience.


Tire clearance: The Django can accommodate up to a 2.6" tire.

Bearings: Bearings were also updated to a double row of smaller bearings. As Devinci were evolving their split pivot design, they wanted to make everything slimmer looking - the double row Enduro bearings give a better static load rating than a larger single bearing, another point of less maintenance.


Photo by Andy Vathis
Photo by Andy Vathis
Plenty of tire clearance on the Django for higher volume 2.5 or 2.6" rubber.


Geometry

The head tube angle in the Django's "low" setting is 66.5-degrees, a degree slacker than the previous model. The "high" setting bumps it up by .5-degree to 67-degrees. The seat angle has been steepened by nearly three degrees, and on the size medium comes in at 77.5-degrees. The steeper angle helps with a better ride position and better dropper post clearance.

Reach grows a bit on all sizes, with the medium coming in at 450mm, and increase of six millimeters. The XS frame can fit riders starting at 4'8", with 29" wheels. The XS and S can clear a 125mm post, the medium a 150, large 175 and XL a 200mm post. This is measured with a "worst case scenario" in mind - some dropper posts can be longer depending on their design but Devinci are being conservative with their measuring.

The Django, like all of Devinci's bikes is designed around a size medium. The chain stay length varies with sizing on the larger bikes to keep the feel of the bike similar to riders across the board. The XS, S, and M bikes have 435mm chain stays. The L is 5mm longer at 440 and the XL is 445mm.




Photo by Andy Vathis
The Django's flip chip allows for an easy geometry change.


Suspension Design

The new Django keeps with the 120mm of travel that the previous version had. The leverage ratio on the Django is progressive enough that it's possible for riders to run a coil shock if they so choose. The bike is optimized around a 140mm fork, but riders are fine choosing to run a 10mm longer fork if they want to without running into any warranty issues.




I had the opportunity to spend a couple days on the Django in Bromont, Canada, with the Devinci crew, and I've also gotten out on a few rides at home in Western North Carolina. The riding in both locales was rocky, root-infested, and wet.

In the coming months, expect to see a full review once I've had a chance to experiment around with more suspension settings, swap out a part here or there, and get the bike fully dialed in.


Andy Vathis Photo

Climbing

The bike I have been riding is the GX LTD build of the Django. It's a little more geared towards the rougher, higher speed kind of riding, with a burlier brake and tire spec. It also comes with 800mm wide Race Face bars and a 50mm long 35mm clamp stem.

I'm a fan of steep seat angles, but it took me a couple of rides to get used to the Django's pedaling position. After some saddle adjusting (backward instead of forwards) I was able to find a comfortable position, one that didn't put my knees too far forward over the spindle.

The Split-Pivot suspension does a good job of managing the suspension when you're climbing while still providing plenty of traction to keep the rear wheel digging into the ground. On longer more sustained climbs, I found myself leaving the shock in the middle setting.

The bike is easy to negotiate in tight uphill corners, and it manages roots and other obstacles well. Its solid feeling nature made it easy to muscle it up and over or onto logs and other trailside attractions without losing pace. That solid and stout feeling comes partly from the bike's 30-pound weight. It's not the lightest option in this category, but Devinci weren't trying to make a super light XC machine - the goal was to make a versatile short travel trail ripper.


Andy Vathis Photo

Descending

When gravity takes over, the Django is a drop your heels and let it eat trail bike. While it's only sporting 120mm of travel paired to a 140mm fork, it's more than enough for rough trail riding and light to medium duty bike park ventures.

The build of the bike plays heavily in making it feel appropriate in places other 120mm bikes would not, something riders who have ridden other bikes from Devinci will find familiar.

Taking the proper time to set up the shock is crucial to the ride quality of the Django, and a few psi above or below, or a volume spacer too little, can drastically change how the bike feels. Once I had spent a couple days dialing things in, the bike felt excellent on a variety of trails and in various conditions. Everything from high speed, rough downhills to tighter and more slow-speed technical trails felt as if they were fair game on the Django.


Andy Vathis Photo


Overall, the new Django takes what Devinci had with the last one, modernizes it, and makes it better. It hits the upper limit on where I think some angles, such as the seat tube, need to go but it doesn't go beyond.

The Django has thus far been a capable all-around trail bike, but I'm going to keep putting in the miles in order to really figure out its strengths and weaknesses, and how it stacks up to other competitors in this travel bracket.



We're including Devinci's Django video with the first look as it's pure riding and having a good time.







101 Comments

  • 89 12
 The more time that goes by, the more I'm not convinced that super boost plus was ever necessary.
  • 55 1
 It's to make room for the new 1x28 drivetrains
  • 33 24
 Don't you mean "I'm not sure that boost was ever necessary as we already have these other hubs"?
  • 12 7
 Yeah, hope it gets phased out very soon.
  • 24 0
 Still keeping a 165mm hub from a old Iron Horse, because you never know.
  • 18 2
 @MikeAzBS you mean Boost? That's the only one that introduced an entirely new standard for negligible benefit.
  • 7 1
 I like the stance (at the pedals) of my older 150 dh bike and my 197 fat bike better than anything else I've ridden. I'm liking these devinci bikes for my next one.
  • 26 0
 It’ll get so wide soon you won’t be able to run drivetrain, then we welcome Django unchained
  • 2 1
 @MikeAzBS
Especially when the new Specialized Demo has 148 spacing. Probably can do more with spoke selection/wheel build than making the spacing wider.
  • 1 1
 @foggnm: Good point; have carbon rims reduced the importance of increased bracing angles? Several recent rim releases (Zipp, Crank Bros, We Are One) tout the compliance of their rims, where stiffness used to be the name of the game.
  • 2 0
 @foggnm: most DH bikes run only 7spds , that helps.
  • 8 5
 Definition of a super boost hater: Anyone who has bought a boost 148 bike in the last 2 years. Anyone else: If it rides better I'm ok with it.
  • 1 0
 @cheetamike: Except that they still use the same freehub bodies.
  • 2 0
 Me neither. You see this bike has the same tyre clearance as my current bike which is on 148mm spacing. That spacing happened to be on the bike actually. so thats no advantage. Then there is a wider rear end. My feet barely miss the rear as it is. going wider will make you put chainstay protectors on both sides. its just silly.
  • 3 0
 @foggnm: SB+ is primarily there to help designers create room for tight chain stays, tire clearance, and massive cassettes. Bracing angles are a benefit as well, but not their intended purpose. "Better wheels" cannot fix those issues.
I'm running 2 SB+ bikes, and I see no downsides to it. As long as the stays are designed right, there are no issues with heel rub. And clearance in tight spots? That's ridiculous, a few mm width at the rear isn't going to make a difference. If it does, get a stubby axle.
  • 37 3
 None of those guys in the video are wearing a pack. Where did the sandwiches come from?
  • 53 2
 You don't want to know...
  • 5 2
 Cameraman
  • 36 0
 Prison wallet?
  • 30 2
 Super boost 157 and regular 157 (from a DH bike) are interchangeable, so even 150 hubs will work with different end caps.

Boost 148 should have never existed. It’s the only hub with a proprietary hub shell.
  • 1 4
 Is boost 148 a total difference to boost 147? Or is that marketing BS? Or maybe the same shit? My previous bike was boost 147 rear axle now my current is the 148. The main difference I found was that 148 is thru axle and 147 is QR
  • 6 0
 @lehott: Are you sure you aren't thinking of 141 QR? QR is pretty much always thru-axle length minus 7mm. 142-7=135, 148-7=141. The only notable exceptions are 150 and 135 thru, which had the same rotor spacing, but didn't extend the endcaps 3.5mm into the dropout on each side.
  • 1 0
 @notenduro: yes! i was totally was thinking of qr141. i hadn't even realized i meant that lol
  • 23 0
 Armchair engineers assemble!
  • 14 0
 Finally more brands lenghten the chainstays for L/XL.

It wont be as cost effective as only 1 chainstay lenght but for the prices of Yeti/SC frames you should get a bit variety imo
  • 2 0
 Some brands just move the BB forward to keep the kinematics/stays the same between sizes.
  • 13 0
 good numbers, nice bike, fun trail, perfect video
  • 5 1
 There's just something about an edit without music.
  • 11 0
 I loved my old Django, only complaints I had were the headtube could’ve been slacker and seat tube steeper. Looks like job done.
  • 5 0
 1.5 angle set in mine and what a difference, Add a 150mm fork as well .
  • 5 3
 lotsa sick trail whips with modern geo out now.

ultimate aggro trail (downcountry) bike shootout?!

Tallboy, Smuggler, Django, upforked Ripley, nobody cares about the Fuel EX or Stumpy ST....
  • 2 5
 I was pretty meh about my django. Did most things ok. Did nothing great.
  • 2 0
 @WasatchEnduro: maybe top fuel?
  • 2 0
 @WasatchEnduro: aren't these all just trail bikes? Downcountry was aggro Geo with XC race travel, maybe with an upfork: 100/120mm. Blur, SB100, etc..
  • 1 0
 @sspiff:

yeah i think you're right. some trail bikes are very "just trail" and alot of the newer crop are pretty aggro "aggressive trail" where the geo, spec, and burly frames seem to tempt them to be ridden super hard.

but downcountry is as you stated.

I'd love a modern trail bike like the tallboy/django for the feel and handling but know that at the end of the day a little more cushion for the pushin makes a lot of sense for the variety of terrain i ride.
  • 2 0
 @WasatchEnduro: Well, it will mostly depend on what each of the customer wants, as you stated, and that is basically why we have so much choices nowadays.

I just want a bike that I can push hard and get rewarded when climbing, but not to be so Scorpion ready on the downhills which is the case of a pure race bike, for that reason Top Fuel makes sense for me.

Tallboy surely will give an excellent and fun downhill, but as far as the sheets reflects (and I say this, because here I just can't demo one before buying) it will impact a lot on the uphills, just taking as reference the head angle (is almost as slack as my AM rig).

Great thing here is, there is now a bike to satisfy almost everyone, and that's good, now the only problem is be able to afford them.
  • 1 5
flag dro-cfr (Sep 3, 2019 at 13:28) (Below Threshold)
 What I hear about all Devinci @lognar:
  • 1 4
 What I hear about all Devinci @lognar:
  • 5 1
 @dro-cfr: Have you ridden one ??? Try one then comment.
  • 1 0
 Yes Troy and Wilson. Good bikes just not great bikes. Many reviews out there say as much @cheetamike:
  • 1 0
 @HopeFbn: the new top fuel looks so badass. I ran a '17 top fuel with a 120 fork for 2 years and it was almost the perfect bike (for me) with the exception of the head angle being a little too steep. I would love to put a 130mm fork on the new top fuel just for fun and see how it does. Nobody seems to complain about the sb130's climbing ability either. I cant qait to swing a leg over one of those...
  • 2 0
 @Cogfox: I just tried the Top Fuel 9.7 and... I am buying one. haha.
I was surprised by the improvements done on the rear suspension by not just removing float but moving the pivot inwards, for me it felt more supportive. I have a remedy and the top fuel will be an excellent compliment for those days when me and my team mates are not in the sendy mode, and just want to get more miles and keep it fun.
  • 1 0
 @dro-cfr: reviews mean very little with such short time on them. I have 2yrs on mine , fastest bike I have owned. I have crushed PR,S on trails I set on a coil sprung 180mm travel bikes. This bike is a single track shredder, the new geo is gonna help even more IMO.
  • 1 0
 I'm glad to hear it is working out for you. I do agree the new bike looks to be better than the old yet stand by my origin opinion. Experience with their bikes doesn't instill enough confidence to take the gamble. @cheetamike:
  • 13 4
 I've been riding a 157 hub with wider flange spacing for about a year now and I have to say that it does achieve the design objective and gives a uniquely stable ride.
  • 9 0
 I loved my atlas. It wasn’t steep or long or low. But it was great fun.
  • 18 9
 "Super Boost" aight i'ma head out
  • 7 4
 Correct me if I'm wrong but this bike seems very heavy for what it is.

Other bikes in this category and parts spec (full carbon, X01 or equivalent, Fox 34) are much, much lighter. If it was 28-29 lbs, it would still be on the heavy end of things.

Some weights of 'similar' bikes with this parts spec:

Ibis Ripley: 26 lbs
SC Tallboy: 27.6 lbs
Trek Fuel: 29 lbs (with fox 36)
Rocky Instinct: 27.8 lbs (with fox 36)
Scott Spark: 24-26 lbs

30 pounds is pretty crazy IMO.
  • 9 0
 It can be much much lighter with a different build. The article says they've shaved 300 grams off the previous gen medium frame. I've got a previous gen built up to a hair under 25 lbs with a lightweight build geared more towards xc (this is my xc bike, 34sc, xtr 11sp/XX1 cassette, next sl g5, fallline r, carbon rim/240/cxray wheels, xc tires, etc). My build moved to this frame would be a nearly 24lbs build. Seems light enough to me...
  • 2 0
 @freerider11: but it's already €6,100 with this spec...
  • 5 1
 @Mac1987: True. I didn't say anything about price! Just that the weight can be much lower, but it's going to cost you. Devinci are priced right up there with other premium brands now unfortunately.
  • 2 0
 Weight quoted is for the GX LTD, but images look to be the X01 build. 30lbs is much closer in line with comparable GX builds.
  • 12 0
 Yes, weight quoted is for the GX LTD. The XO1 build comes in at 28 lbs which is very comparable to the other bikes you listed.
  • 5 0
 @cyclesdevinci:

Thanks for the clarification. That makes a lot more sense.
  • 1 3
 I agree; seems objectively heavy for the travel. The $8500 X01 version is still 29lbs. On an enduro bike I care little whether it's 30 lbs or 35, but if I'm giving up travel and half my suspension adjustments and dropping that much coin, well... what am I paying for?
  • 5 0
 Adding this bike to my list of bikes to ride. Scores out very similarly to the new Ripley, Tallboy and Fuel EX on Bikedigger's rowdiness and nimbleness scores.
  • 3 0
 Just reading the specs for the alloy version. States designed and assembled in Canada. @cyclesdevinci what happened to building them here like the Spartan. And is that model going off shore next as well??
  • 4 0
 @cheetamike, this is a reply we had given in our Factory Tour article which still applies for the Django now.

As we are growing our Devinci lineup, the factory and the employees' capacity are completely maximized at the moment. Since we still want to offer the same quality bikes and be able to deliver these bikes on time, we have strategically outsourced the production of our Alloy Django and Troy to Asia. These bikes are still designed here, tested here and assembled here, alongside their Made in Canada siblings.

However, this doesn't mean we are switching everything overseas! The number of employees is still growing rapidly, we recently invested in a second factory to produce the bike-share bikes separately and we keep investing in our main factory in Chicoutimi, QC to be able to keep up with the increasing demand.

We are still doing bikes in-house whenever we can, The Sabbath that launched last Fall (and landed on the top step of the podium of the Dual Slalom under Keegan Wright in Rotorua) is a prime example of that. So don't worry, we are keeping our strong Canadian roots and aluminum knowhow. This enables us to prototype, test and produces bikes in our own factory, using our own industry-leading standards. Our confidence in our product remains the same, we offer a lifetime warranty on all our bikes, knowing they will stand the test of time. We are not about to move anywhere else, we like it too much here!

#MadeinCanada
  • 1 0
 @cyclesdevinci: Thanks for the response. Got eye,s on the alloy Spartan. The Grey will be a good match to my light grey 2017 Django alloy 29er.
  • 4 0
 Knows he's being filmed, still puts half a crepe in his mouth in a single bite. Bold move.
  • 2 1
 Respectively speaking, Super boost becomes the new standard..... what's next? Super boost + ? Fast forward a few years again, to find we have super boost + + + + (200mm rear hub spacing) hahaha do we really need more than 148mm rear spacing?
  • 3 0
 Looks like a TROY!!!! Well it does , I own a 2017 and killer bike. The alloy version looks better IMO
  • 4 0
 This bike might end up in my garage soon. Nice work Devinci!
  • 3 0
 So steeper seat tube is the greatest thing ever but he had to move the saddle back to make it work?
  • 1 0
 Ya - and he states that the geometry has pushed to the limits but not exceeded it.....
  • 8 5
 Hope it righteously kills white slave owners with that name.
  • 19 4
 Bit racist. Why not kill all the slave owners?
  • 7 0
 gotta get the chainless version for that
  • 1 0
 @tobiusmaximum: Have you seen the movie?
  • 1 0
 So is that chainstay super goofy looking to allow for additional heal clearance because of the short stay length and even wider ass end?
  • 3 0
 The 2020 Large Django Frame weighed 6.7lbs on my scale.
  • 9 7
 Too bad Devinci stopped offering Shimano builds. Moving on...
  • 2 1
 This will change back. That's a major problem with Shimano being behind Sram tech for a while.
  • 2 0
 Will there ever be a 27.5 Django again?
  • 3 2
 It’s a 150/157 hub. We can and should just drop the “super boost” childish marketing vernacular
  • 2 0
 Dh and trail bike with interchangable wheels is a good thing.
  • 1 1
 Knolly have used this for a while. That doesn't make it right ...but come on Knolly , must be good right? They know what they're doing right? (DeVinci exec.)
  • 1 0
 listing frame weight savings rather than ever listing actual frame weight is the norm now Frown
  • 3 2
 Super boost 157 stiffens every up
  • 1 0
 What happened to the alloy version?
  • 1 0
 NM, it's on the site just as a frame-only.
  • 1 0
 Can I borrow this for a chainless race I ha e tomorrow?
  • 6 6
 “Mate, ya boost ain’t super. Go home”
  • 1 2
 30 lbs for a 120/140 bike? Makes me feel better about my SJ Pro being 30 lbs with 140/150.
  • 2 4
 Riding the Django:

I rode the Django in two different places that were wet.
  • 8 1
 See where it said 'first ride' at the top? It's a product announcement, not a review.
  • 13 15
 You lost me a 157
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