First Ride: DT Swiss' 232 ONE Platform - A New XC Fork, Shock, & Dropper Post

Jan 23, 2020
by Dan Roberts  



Product launches often focus on one item, giving it all the limelight it needs to shine in its all-new guise. Down a 300-year-old mine in Kamsdorf, Germany, DT Swiss pulled back the curtain on not one, but three new products, revealing two-and-a-half years of work on their 232 ONE platform of fork, shock and dropper post.

All three products are aimed at the XC racing segment, and all are ruthlessly engineered as only the Swiss could. Forks and shocks are no new territory to DT Swiss, but during development it quickly became apparent that they needed, and wanted, to bring more to the market than just that. An XC dropper post was added into the development and completes their trio of new components that adorned a special edition Canyon Lux.




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F 232 ONE Fork

The F 232 ONE came first in the development, and somewhat quietly has already won an XC World Cup under Mathias Flückiger in the horrendous conditions of the Albstadt WC last year where he channelled his inner Sam Hill and rode the saturated course like it was bone dry.


Chassis

The chassis of the F 232 ONE, as the name suggests somewhat, uses 32mm diameter stanchions. But this wasn’t the diameter DT Swiss were wanting to benchmark it against in terms of stiffness. They looked up a class to the Fox 34 as to how they wanted their fork to perform. Torsional and bending stiffness were considered, as was the effect of braking and air spring forces that go towards creating asymmetrical loading situations.

DT Swiss used topology optimization to help design the fork, a process where material placement is optimized in a fixed design space with a fixed set of loads, boundary conditions and constraints. The goal in the case of the fork was to achieve a desired stiffness for the least amount of weight. It took the computer 3 iterations to achieve what DT were after and 2 mold modifications brought it to the real world. The lowers of the fork bear the most visible signs from this quest, and there are cut-outs, chamfers and pockets scattered around. The result is, according to DT Swiss, a fork that matches or exceeds the stiffness of their benchmarked Fox 34.

XC racing is still heavily focused on weight, and as you zoom in on the fork more and more details jump out to show the extent of DT's weight saving strategy. The damper and air systems start pretty high up the fork leg, and there are cut outs at the back of the lowers and every single nook and cranny is pocketed out to ditch weight. Even the rebound adjuster is machined from all directions. At 1,480g for the 100mm version (w/o axle and 230mm steerer) it comes within a packet of crisps of the Fox 32 Step Cast and equals the Rockshox SID Ultimate Carbon.

Schaubergwerk Kalmsdorf 232 Suspesion Plattform Press Launch
Cutouts on the backside of the fork help save even more weight.

The steerer and stanchions of the fork are pressed directly into the crown without the need for cooling or heating. They maintain a certain roughness from the machining process that, along with an added surface treatment, helps retain the specific Loctite when they are pressed into the crown.

Other interesting details include the included bolt-on fender, which not only protects the rider from flying mud, but also helps prevent the build-up of debris around the seals of the fork. The inside surface of the fender is smooth with an almost mirrored finish to inhibit mud from sticking. The T10 Torx that is normally found inside the lever of the axle is now an optional extra and the fork shares its brake hose clamp with the F535.

Small details, but ones that show that someone was thinking, include the requirement to use 15ml of lower leg bath oil to ensure proper coverage of all the inside surface of the fork with enough oil for operation while not blowing the seals off. On that note, DT mentioned they even saw a difference in fork performance depending on riding style, explaining that the more active riders saw better performing forks than the static, perhaps knackered, ones, with the added liveliness splashing more of the bath oil around in the fork.


Spring

The F 232 ONE fork uses a familiar 2 chamber system, adjustable with tokens. A traditional bypass port transfers air between the chambers shortly after zero travel and DT Swiss played with its position, along with the size of the chambers, to achieve a ride feel that they believe works well for XC. The resulting air spring curve looks more like the natural air spring curve, with rapid change in the first and last portion of the stroke with the middle being a little flatter. It’s this flatter portion that DT stressed was important for them as it allows the fork to activate, and absorb impacts easier while the rider is wanting to cover ground fast. The small amplitude but high-frequency hits would be absorbed by the fork and allow the rider to keep pedalling forwards to cover the ground as fast as possible.

The fork comes with 2 spacers installed and the option to add a further one or subtract to zero to suit your preferences.

DT continue their focus on the details with printed messages on the inside of the air top cap to check their website for setup guides.



Damper

There’s no position sensitive architecture to be found in the F 232 ONE, like on the inside of their F 535 fork. Weight was of high priority and a more standard system finds its place in the fork. There’s no bladder, but instead a doughnut shaped IFP to handle volume changes. The damper uses a familiar 3 compression modes to alter the ride characteristics. Open, Drive and Lock increasingly restrict oil flow to provide more damping force as needed. The modes can be switched via a lever on the top of the forks or by remote on the bars, the two systems being interchangeable.

DT Swiss 232 ONE fork oil flow in open
DT Swiss 232 ONE fork oil flow in drive
DT Swiss 232 ONE fork oil flow in lock

Low-speed damping is provided by oil flow through orifices, and in the case of the rebound and compression it’s adjusted by a metering needle. For the rebound its tool free and at the bottom of the fork. For the compression it’s via a T10 Torx at the center of the compression lever and only affects Open mode.

High-speed damping is provided by a shim setup and with the change of mode to Drive from Open the oil is forced exclusively through the high-speed circuit, which needs a higher force to allow flow past the shims and so provides more compression support in the Drive mode.

For anyone who’s taken apart their fork to find their bladder swollen like a puffer fish, there’s a re-circulating measure inside the fork to allow excess bath oil that has found it’s way past the seals and into the damping circuits to be fed back into the lowers as the IFP moved through its travel.


F 232 ONE Fork Details

Wheel size: 29
Travel: 100mm, 110mm, 120mm
Offset: 51mm
Weights: 1,480g (100mm, remote version, w/o axle, 230mm steerer), 1,510g (110mm)
Hub/Axle Standard: 110mm x 15mm (Boost)
Price: 979 EUR or 1113 USD (lever version), 999 EUR or 1135 USD (remote version)
More info: DT Swiss





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R 232 ONE Shock

The R 232 ONE shock was developed at the same time as the 232 fork. It’s available in 4 different strokes from 40mm to 55mm in only metric lengths. Standard eyelet and Trunnion mounts are available. From what we could see all parts are replaceable, so no issues if you accidentally snap off your air valve.

Interestingly, DT use spherical bearings in their eyelets. That's not something new for the company, but in the age of huge shock extenders, rigidly bolted shocks and designs focussed on weight rather than stiffness it’s something to give a performance advantage. The spherical bearings negate side loading on the shock, or alignment issues, and allow the shock to function more smoothly with reduced bushing binding or friction from twisting or bending going on in the bike.

The rest of the shock chassis follows a familiar design with the damping system at the heart surrounded by the air spring system.



Spring

Similar to the fork, there’s a 2-chamber setup that can be adjusted for stroke and volume with the use of separate spacers. The air volume spacers are bolted into the shock to reduce any risk of them rattling around during operation.

Again, the spring curve was tuned to generate a flatter portion in the mid-stroke to aid small bump absorption around the sag and pedalling zone. If further support is needed during pedalling the Drive mode ups the damping support given to the rider.

DT Swiss 232 ONE shock positive spring volume
DT Swiss 232 ONE shock air spring transfer port

While the fork is on a 1:1 ratio the shock is actuated by the suspension linkage system, and so the while the R 232 ONE is adjustable in air volume and damping tune, it does work better on bikes with some degree of mechanical support built in to go hand in hand with the air spring's flatter mid-stroke.

Damper

The Open, Drive and Lock modes found on the fork are present on the shock too, and they can be selected either via a lever or a remote depending on the configuration. A similar design is also employed for the oil flow with the low-speed damping being solely orifice controlled and the high speed being shimmed. From Open to Drive mode the system shuts off oil flow through the low-speed compression circuit and directs it through the high-speed circuit where it provides more damping support to the rider. Lock mode shuts off the low and high-speed circuits to provide the maximum support on smooth climbs and sprints. There’s a blow off in place to open the system up at a pre-determined force in case of impacts.

DT Swiss 232 ONE shock oil flow in open
DT Swiss 232 ONE shock oil flow in drive
DT Swiss 232 ONE shock oil flow in lock

There are 4 damping tunes available from Super Low to High to offer options to help get the shock matched to the bike.


R 232 ONE Shock Details

Eye to Eye x Stroke Standard Eyelet: 190x40mm, 190x45mm, 210x50mm, 210x55mm
Eye to Eye x Stroke Trunnion: 165x40mm, 165x45mm, 185x50mm, 185x55mm
Air Spring: Two chamber, adjustable with tokens
Weights: 230g (190x45mm w/o hardware, remote version), 300g (165x45mm Trunnion)
Price: 406 EUR or 463 USD (lever version), 429 EUR or 486 USD (remote version)
More info: DT Swiss





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D 232 ONE Dropper Post

After the fork and shock development began it wasn’t long before DT brought up the idea of a dropper post. With the rigorous focus on XC racing their design took off down a different, upside down, path. This was the first dropper post for DT, so they set about analyzing the market, bike angles and rider biometrics to define things like drop, setback and total length as well as what exactly an XC racer required.

Canyon was brought on in the development as an aid in design and also to confirm their research and development direction. Their reward for this is exclusivity with the D 232 ONE seat post for 2020.

As is evident with all products in the 232 ONE platform, the concept is clear to see in the finished product. For this it was weight and simplicity that drove all further decisions in development. The D 232 ONE uses an inverted design that sees the seat clamped to the exterior sliding element. The requirement of serviceability while on the bike and trying to achieve the lowest weight possible saw DT Swiss flipping the design to allow the post to be taken apart while still fitted to the bike and giving them enough space to have a simple locking mechanism inside. The post has only 29 parts and can be given a small service while still mounted on the bike with the cable still attached.

The simplicity continues with only 2 positions available for the post – up and down. A bar-mounted remote uses a standard gear cable to activate the post at its base (internal routing only) and then a straight pull spoke to transfer the lever movement up to the locking mechanism. As the lever is pressed the post moves a locking ring out of the way and allows the balls inside the mechanism to fall back a little and the post to move. It's very similar to the system in ratchets to hold the socket. It’s then a single coil spring that moves the post up, and the rider’s weight is used to put the post down.

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Schaubergwerk Kalmsdorf 232 Suspesion Plattform Press Launch
Schaubergwerk Kalmsdorf 232 Suspesion Plattform Press Launch
Schaubergwerk Kalmsdorf 232 Suspesion Plattform Press Launch

There aren't any hydraulics internally, and everything is mechanical and simple, meaning that the post fires back quickly to the up position. It's not so fast that you'll need to worry about your undercarriage, but it's swift enough to not waste time.

There’s a single large keyway between the fixed and sliding parts of the post, which with their design can be accessed, cleaned and greased with no tools and in 5 minutes. The lower half of the clamped portion of the post and the upper sliding part are constructed from carbon fiber. The top piece of the saddle clamp is carbon too and all parts use cut pre-preg layered up and molded for construction.

DT provide their own lever to actuate the post, with the small lever operating in a similar fashion to KS levers. Although, with the post being mechanical you can, of course, choose your preferred dropper remote to work the post. Even on the lever DT Swiss pay attention to the details, with the small screw that tightens the bar clamp being contained in the lever, so there’s no chance to drop it and watch it roll off under the washing machine.



D 232 ONE Dropper Details

Travel: 60mm
Diameters: 27.2mm, 30.9mm (31.6 possible with shim)
Positions: Two - up & down
Total length: 400mm
Offset: 0mm
Mechanism: All mechanical
Weights: 369g (30.9mm diameter, w/o shift cable and cable shell)
Price: 499 EUR or 566 USD
More info: DT Swiss





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Canyon Lux CF SLX 9.0 DT LTD

As mentioned, the D 232 ONE post is only available with Canyon for the first year of its life. But in conjunction with DT, Canyon are releasing a limited edition of their Lux XC bike adorned with all the 232 ONE components and some eye-catching DT Swiss wheels.

In the form of hyper car manufacturers, only 32 will be available and are available to order right now for €7,499.

Other changes to this special edition Lux include a smidge more party up front with a 110mm travel fork rather than the standard 100mm and 30mm inner width rims and 2.35” Maxxis tires. When asked if this was the way Canyon saw XC going, they agreed and cited athlete testing with the benefits of meatier rubber outweighing the added weight that concerned racers. There was a mention of the D word, but the Lux remains very much an XC bike.

Lukas Flückiger will be racing aboard this limited edition Cayon Lux at the UCI World Cups this year.


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First Impressions

In addition to DT's wonderful lack of PowerPoint presentations, they also chose somewhere a little different for their launch.

January weather can be unpredictable, so DT chose to show off the new products underground, inside an old disused mine. While literally everything was new to the experience, including the top tube hugging riding positions as we darted through mine shafts, we did get enough time aboard the kitted-out Canyon to make a couple of first impressions.

Firstly, and wrongly, I made some pre-conceptions after seeing the products before riding them. The prime amongst them being that 60mm is not enough drop for a dropper post. While personally I’m looking at moving up to a 210mm dropper, I’m also personally not a cross country racer. 60mm might seem like not a lot to the enduro crowd, but it’s just enough to take the seat out of the way for anything technical on the way down. It’s also still at a reasonable height for quick spurts of pedalling between technical sections. So, with the up position being your favoured seat height for pedalling, the down position does a nice job of allowing you to attack a little more with a freer body position. It’s a light action too, with the simple internal mechanisms offering little resistance. Return speed is super-fast, and the seat always made it back to full height as soon as I needed to pedal.

The fork does a really good job of being efficient with its 110mm of travel. Once we’d got the right air pressure the fork was smooth, comfortable and controlled on the rocky little loops we had to test on. Those loops included a couple of tricky descents, with manmade and natural features dotted around them, where the fork didn’t show any signs of being floppy both under hard braking or twisting it round some berms.

Schaubergwerk Kalmsdorf 232 Suspesion Plattform Press Launch

The shock felt controlled and predictable too, although to give it a thorough test we’d need to try it on a few bikes to see the effects of different leverage ratios. Setup was quick and easy, with there only being air pressure and rebound to set. One thing we noticed is that every single click of rebound, on both the shock and fork, had less of a perceivable feel than on a Fox unit. This means that those who are less in tune with feeling what the bike is doing then may need to make bigger changes in order to make a noticeable difference.

The Canyon Lux test bike was fitted with DT Swiss’s remote to adjust the mode of the fork and shock simultaneously. The remote works well and is a good option for the race scenarios when every second counts, but it’s also a nice option to have non-remote options available and easily convertible.

In all the parts of the new 232 ONE platform it’s clear to see their initial concept, and for the XC crowd and on the Canyon Lux we tested them on they're very well suited to their purpose.









128 Comments

  • 120 2
 Well yes I'm obviously going to buy an xc fork of its damping system is blue lasers.
  • 27 0
 10 years ago I never would have thought XC would call for dropper posts nor would I have ever thought I'd get excited about that but here we are.
  • 58 7
 well, XCO of today is gnarlier than "downhill" of the 90's...
  • 54 5
 hard to get excited over 60mm
  • 172 0
 @5afety3rd: don’t judge, it’s very cold
  • 29 2
 @5afety3rd: that's what she said?
  • 27 4
 @ChasingPhotons: No, he said it. Good to be open minded.
  • 13 2
 @f00bar: if you were not there, watch vids thats definitely not true, worldcups and for instance the Austrian DH series were pretty gnarly back then, and considering the bikes -uh boi
  • 20 22
 I said few years ago that by 2020 most XC WC racers will be on droppers... well... will take some more years for many of them to get it, but we are getting there. Not enough XC specific products. Garda elite won’t get into droppers that are non specific. Once they get there, all pros will be on them to help sell the product. Thanks to this XC racing may be even more exciting since Cyclocorssers and roadies will no longer be able to to compete for top spots.
  • 3 1
 Patent Pending: apparently Marc Cerdan came with idea for the dropper post before (inverted design). You can read the post on Bikerumor.

https://www.marccerdan.com/portfolio/xc-gravel-dropper-post-st-mk5/
  • 3 1
 @WAKIdesigns: Van der Poel, cough,cough?
  • 5 2
 @WAKIdesigns: Wanna bet that droppers for CX and gravel bikes are coming, right after that?
  • 3 16
flag WAKIdesigns (Jan 23, 2020 at 6:55) (Below Threshold)
 @wildedge586: you want to tell me XCers are good at surfing because Nino has great board control? Langvad khe khee...
  • 3 1
 @optimumnotmaximum: you mean something like this?

www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7tlskJ_3Z0

it's "gnarly" only because the racers are riding basically road bikes with thicker tires... it has nothing on today's XCO tracks
  • 3 0
 @f00bar: No its not. Some of the DH courses in the 90's were nuts, and you had to race them on really shitty bikes. Often times, people would DNS because the courses were so gnarly.
  • 1 0
 @WAKIdesigns: don’t be a hater...
Sure Nino has better handling skills, but it’s not like Van der Poel is awful.

But he certainly does have a bigger engine and has won in three disciplines at the highest level.
  • 4 11
flag WAKIdesigns (Jan 23, 2020 at 12:01) (Below Threshold)
 @ReformedRoadie: I take it back - average CXer has much better technique than average MTB Marathon contender...
  • 3 1
 @WAKIdesigns: OK, Langvad is pretty crap downhill but a machine elsewhere, and a dentist, hihi
  • 1 0
 @ReformedRoadie: if your dad used to coach the national DH team than you'll better not suck riding xc+ descents. His finale ews was solala. He is unparalled at race strategy and mind games however
  • 1 0
 @Ziener: I hope Marc wins the battle... Is litle bit like David Vs Goliat but young talented visionary designers need to get more reward... It must sucks a lot to find out something like this happened to you...
  • 1 0
 I run 90mm dropper on my gravel bike. Helps me get in much more aero position in the drops with my butt down :-D
  • 1 0
 @5afety3rd: i had the KS Lev CI With 65mm of travel on my old ibis Ripley setup 120/140 and that was absolutely ideal. I still to this day have some of my fastest times on that bike both up and down compared to my Ripmo now.
  • 1 1
 @Corvcycleguy: I bet you're fun at parties
  • 14 3
 @WAKIdesigns: Wow amazing that you predicted xc racers to be on droppers. Even more amazing is that you actually got one thing right in the last few years among your never ending flow of cycling comment diarrhea. I guess it was inevitable though. Let us know when you stop hammering away on your keyboard and actually ride a bike.
  • 7 1
 @WAKIdesigns: ya know, whenever some desk jockey claims a sort of future seeing supreme knowledge, it just makes me cringe a little bit.

Really and truly, no cares if you predict anything, it’s stoopid, and proves nothing but that you’re full of yourself... which by the way, most everyone knows.

Thanks for the fish
  • 4 1
 @warmerdamj: he is mentally ill with a superiority complex.
  • 3 0
 @nurseben: he is a cringey dude
  • 1 0
 @5afety3rd: Your mother disagrees
  • 1 0
 @warmerdamj: @warmerdamj: Forreal lol dude is a keyboard warrior. Spends all his time posting negative comments. Bet he doesn't even own a bike.
  • 2 0
 @f00bar: no, you wrote"the 90s", but there is a big difference between 92 and 98 tracks. 98 was the time when vouilloz, cedric, and palmer clashed - on legit tracks. I did these racrs ( on an ancilotti dh with 15 cm travel boxxer gustav m and michelin c16)- the courses were really technical, steep no berms almost no jumps).
  • 1 0
 @stumphumper92: joke’s on you then bud lol
  • 4 2
 @warmerdamj: why do I get sht like that from someone who either doesn’t have a single photo in their album, enjoying cowardly comfort of their anonymity, or someone who Doesn’t have a single oic of himself riding... but instead quite a few pictures of buy sell stuff I tend to bash in the comments. You know how many times I got shit like that from someone sending it big or standing on top of a podium? Three times... It includes Leo Kokkonen

Yes... we are as compatible with each other as Sram standards... what was it this time? Your CX feelings got hurt?

Yes I am quite full of myself. If you want to be a douche, you better be it all the way... it makes them even angrier.

Lateeeeers! (May be soon though)
  • 3 1
 @WAKIdesigns: That's an amazing comment, sorry I don't post enough pictures of myself on the internet to be considered fast and sell/ride a wide variety of bikes?...what?

Keep posting your pics, I'll keep riding my bikes.
  • 4 1
 You guys are all in your 30s. Fucking chill.
  • 2 1
 @warmerdamj: heh... it actually flatters me when people tell me I don’t ride bikes. I just meant I wanted to see how you ride them... I am focused on quality not quantity Smile Because unless you Much better than me, Then I possibly don’t give a flying damn about your opinion... oh how would you prove that? How can i I prove that? It’s impossible. Yes please keep on assuming. Can you at least provide some measure by which you are better than me? You do feel better than me, come on. What can possibly lower my ego and boost yours? What the hell are you even trying to do here mate? Get credit for riding bikes? Heh... as I said you better send it big time or shut up
  • 1 2
 @WAKIdesigns: I don't think I ever claimed I was better than you or anybody else.
  • 1 2
 @fullfacemike: yeah you are absolutely right. I'm chill though, I just didnt realize I was getting into it with a total nutjob.

I thought pinkbike had that guy write somethings in the past or collaborated in some way. I'm sure after seeing the way he acts in here they regret that decision. Yikes.
  • 1 0
 @f00bar: not true in the slightest
  • 2 0
 @warmerdamj: what a dick.
  • 2 1
 @warmerdamj: so why do you tell me about how much riding you do and how little I am doing? Supposedly little, supposedly because I type so much?
  • 1 0
 @Lankycrank: I have one on my gravel bike. Converted the left shifter paddle into a dropper remote.
  • 1 0
 @WAKIdesigns: Sure, I'll play. Looks like I went on 171 rides last year and spent 304 hours on my bikes.
  • 2 1
 @warmerdamj: you are embarrassing yourself, not sure if you are fine with it. I mean I am embarrassing myself countless times every day but I don’t care... If I was to go by your logic translateable only to your peer group no matter how big it is, I ride At least 300 times a year and my calculator tells me I spend at least 200h per year on all my bikes combined. All that with SI joint injury. For 2018, mileage was easily 20% higher if only because so many of my rides were done on a DJ. But I am personally into progress in what I am interested in (junk miles ready don’t tickle me) and I did progress a lot this year, in other stats. I am a lot into air time and last year I have spent at least an hour in the air. 80% job, father of two small kids, nobody to help with them, just me and my wife. Thank you. I hope you are satisfied. I couldn’t give a flying damn about who can do what. If there is anybody I envy it’s folks I ride with sometimes who ride 4 times a week in skateparks and on dirt jumps... you see, so many folks say they go to the gym. I go to the gym and all I see is same thing I see on the trails. Tons of folks who have no bloody clue what they are doing, they are spending days worth of workouts, miles worth of cycing on stupid crap. At best some of them at least brag about how much they lift. But most people who exercise frequently just brag about how much they exercise and how fatigued they are... quality is of no concern to anyone. I can only assume that you are fine human and pursue quality much more than I do. Hereby I congratulate you, you are better than me Smile pssst... on next round mention race results. I don’t race, I am worthless at it which undermines my talking about quality
  • 1 3
 @WAKIdesigns: oh poor little WAKI, only you and your wife to take care of your kids. You're a pussy, using your kids as an excuse. Welcome to life loser.
  • 15 1
 That whole bike weighs 10.14 kg according to the Canyon website. Pretty impressive given how it actually uses normal parts instead of super light bits. Thats 700g more than something like a supercaliber, but with actual rear suspension, it's also 3k cheaper...
  • 6 0
 10,14kg without pedals (not included in the build) and no mention of the frame size they weighed. So probably between 10,5-11,0kg for the complete bike. Pretty normal for a modern XC bike
  • 3 0
 Yep, replace the dropper on the Lux as the Supercaliber does not have one, use the same wheels and tires, and other components and the Lux will be lighter than the Supercaliber and cheaper, and as you said; actual rear suspension instead of the compromise on the Supercaliber.

It has been months now but i still don't understand the charm of the Supercaliber, it's way to heavy for a compromised design with no real advantages, XC riding and XC tracks pushes more towards more travel anyway, maybe soon 120mm is the XC norm so Trek going in the other direction is kinda odd!
  • 2 0
 @prevail: Size M
  • 1 0
 The Supercaliber is not a great comparison because that frame and bike is quite heavy for a XC bike. Good reference frames are the all powerful scott spark, the orbea Oiz or the slightly heavier specialized epic.
  • 2 0
 @JesperA: There is definitely an advantage to the Supercaliber design. The bike corners and accelerates like a hard tail yet still offers traction over rougher terrain. You could accomplish this with a lock out but the SC transitions seamlessly. My SC is much faster then my Niner Jet 9 RDO with 100 all around. The only other bike that I have ridden that has come close is the Specialized Epic but that offers a much harsher ride (with the brain).
  • 8 13
flag WAKIdesigns (Jan 23, 2020 at 7:22) (Below Threshold)
 @mostlyharmless: corners like a hardtail? Is that supposed to be a positive?
  • 2 0
 @JesperA: The Supercaliber really feels like a bike that was designed, and the the engineers had to figure out how to make it work, rather than a bike that was engineered, then had the designers work on the looks.

That is to say: It IS very pretty. but when that prettiness came at the expense of being a competitive weight, somebody overrode the engineer who came back and told management "this design doesn't work."
  • 1 1
 And yet, I’m still struck that have a slightly less heavy bike is mouthing in comparison to being more fit or weighing less body wise.
  • 1 0
 @JesperA: To Treks defense, they also have an XC bike in the 120mm range (Top Fuel) and of course a hardtail, so their lineup in the XC range is pretty up to date.
  • 1 10
flag WAKIdesigns (Jan 23, 2020 at 12:06) (Below Threshold)
 @sevn: Top Fuel is super tits.
  • 18 5
 "the spring curve was tuned to generate a flatter portion in the mid-stroke to aid small bump absorption around the sag and pedalling zone."
That's how you describe a shitty air spring that's no better than any other low end shock?
  • 5 10
flag mihauek (Jan 23, 2020 at 3:43) (Below Threshold)
 DT Swiss is the shitties fork I ever had. No more dt swiss as my suspension.
  • 13 3
 Small details, but ones that show that someone was thinking, include the requirement to use 15ml of lower leg bath oil to ensure proper coverage of all the inside surface of the fork with enough oil for operation while not blowing the seals off.

Seriously? Im pretty sure doing lower leg services on RS forks most manufacturers probably know how much oil goes in without damaging the fork!

This is just BS advertising spiel made out to be content.
  • 8 0
 Their point was that most semi-bath forks take less than 15ml, so theirs should maintain smooth performance for longer. Many forks only use 5 - 10ml per side. It may not seem like a big difference, but its 50-100% increase. I'll still always argue that thoroughly greasing the wipers with suspension grease is most critical for immediate performance, but I'm always a fan of more bath fluid when it comes to preventing stanchion wear when consumers push past service intervals (I'm a master mechanic, suspension tech, and shop owner. 16 years working only on full sus MTB. Seen a lot of ruined forks that would've benefited from more bath oil. Most consumers don't follow WC racer service schedules)
  • 1 0
 The whole article is marketing.

There is literally nothing new:
* the fork damper's IFP system with oil return is from Fox's GRIP
* both air-springs are just normal port-equalizing air springs with a small negative chamber (while everyone else goes to large negatives for more linear curves)
* dampers with ports for low-speed, shims for high speed, and lockouts with blowoffs are literally everywhere
* the dropper's lock mechanism is basically what Specialized's posts use
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 @hypermoto: So we're supposed to beleive that Fox and RS and etc. didn't test that those 10ml oil bath amounts performed well?
  • 1 0
 @just6979:
From experience, that amount of fluid works fine, as long as you do your lowers services on schedule, every 50 hours of use.
  • 13 3
 566 trumps for a 60mm mechanical dropper post?
No thanks!
  • 1 0
 Yeah, too pricey, but they may be on to something with how light and simple it is. Perhaps other companies may use similar designs.
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 @Chuckdh: are you a high level XC racer looking for every advantage? No? Then these products aren't meant for you.
  • 1 0
 @tacklingdummy: right. That's the long been the hesitancy in the XC market for dropper posts - they were seen as heavy as unnecessary. From a marketing perspective, if racers start using them at World Cups, then more weekend warriors won't be so afraid of the dropper posts everyone else has been using for years.

Like you said, there is certainly room for improvement in the weights of all these 200mm dropper posts too. This 232 almost half the weight of a 210mm OneUp dropper - it's also a 1/4 of the travel. Are we nearing "peak dropper"?
  • 7 0
 That post could fit a lot of gravel bikes. Restricting availability benefits nobody.
  • 2 0
 Not with their huge minimum extended length.
  • 4 0
 "DT Swiss used topology optimization to help design the fork, a process where material placement is optimized in a fixed design space with a fixed set of loads, boundary conditions and constraints. The goal in the case of the fork was to achieve a desired stiffness for the least amount of weight. It took the computer 3 iterations to achieve what DT were after and 2 mold modifications brought it to the real world."

Is it too much to ask for some critical thinking before copypasting tarted up techno-speak? I know Pinkbike is floated by partnerships and sponsored content, but that's a long winded way to describe a pedestrian aspect of mechanical design. Depending on the software, 3 iterations is a very small number (not useful information) and having to re-do the mold twice just means they didn't nail it on the computer screen. Nothing abnormal, good or bad. Not relevant information... smells like a the same cynical "bewilder them with bullshit" you get across the bicycle industry. Just sick of it!
  • 1 0
 Well if it was a few design iterations than it's marketing speak. If it was actually topology optimization, that's pretty cool. I wonder what tool they used. It's coming to Creo soon, apparently.
  • 3 0
 I love that they use a spoke in their dropper design. Lots of garbage marketing regurgitation, but that dropper is actually pretty neat. With a 27.2 option, could find it's way onto a lot of gravel bikes, especially steel ones - they're still pretty stuck on 27.2 as the seat post size of choice, and 60mm feel quite a bit different in a gravel context even vs. XC.
  • 3 0
 Meh. KS CI weighs the same, but is a real dropper post.

If you want a weird inverted dropper post, there are several out there already that are much, much lighter: bikerumor.com/2018/05/23/jbg2-dps-claims-to-be-worlds-lightest-dropper-post-at-240g
  • 2 1
 @hamncheez: A dropper with an "extension" protruding from it like a small penis. Hmm. I'll pass
  • 1 0
 @zerort: then the KHS
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 @hamncheez: That post doesn't even have a proper saddle clamp. That's a hard pass. It'll damage the saddle rails and most likely won't hold it in it's proper place.
  • 3 0
 @georgiamtbiker: What kind of clamp do you want? It looks like every other 2-bolt clamp on the market.
  • 1 0
 @just6979: I was referencing the JBG2 DPS that hamncheez posted about above. It doesn't have a top cradle and will break saddle rails.

I'm only 14 days late responding. lol
  • 7 0
 WHO MAKES THAT OIL SLICK HUB??
  • 6 0
 Its probably a dt, looks like a dt, its laced to dt rims with everything else dt on the bike.
  • 3 0
 oil slick is the new black. just wait till oil slick frames start to drop. aluminum is going to be cool again.
  • 2 0
 Dt swiss... prolly a special release for this bike with rainbow eagle
  • 1 12
flag WAKIdesigns (Jan 23, 2020 at 12:09) (Below Threshold)
 Presenting your high end stuff using a white Canyon bike is like asking Tess to showcase swimming suits
  • 4 1
 @WAKIdesigns: i dont get it
  • 5 1
 Pretty clever of Canyon to get exclusivity rights for the dropper post for 2020. Gives Canyon a technical advantage when Olympic XC racers are choosing a bike for the Tokyo Olympics.
  • 8 1
 Those spokes are dope.
  • 6 0
 Yea but did you see the hub is rainbow too?
  • 3 1
 That's a really nice design idea on that dropper post. There are tons of times where just dropping the seat an inch or two gives a huge benefit, and if your riding works with that, then 60mm is totally good. Ease of maintenance and not having to remove the post at all is just an added bonus.
  • 5 0
 annoy your friend by asking is that f 322 , f 222 fork
  • 5 1
 Launched in a hole in the ground and sponsored by Canyon....can it climb out and reach the lofty heights of actual daylight?
  • 2 0
 ...Or are these ideas Dt has just shadows on a wall?
  • 2 0
 Curious. Fox said it wanted the 34's stiffness when it launched the 32SC 2020 with 32mm shins. Now DT says that the target is also Fox and also with 32mm shins. Otherwise, everything else is the same.
  • 3 1
 9point8 Fall Line R is lighter and cheaper with more travel and it's not restricted to Canyons (which we still can't buy in Canada).

www.9point8.ca/index.php?route=information/information&information_id=46
  • 1 0
 " A traditional bypass port transfers air between the chambers shortly after zero travel and DT Swiss played with its position, along with the size of the chambers, to achieve a ride feel that they believe works well for XC. The resulting air spring curve looks more like the natural air spring curve, with rapid change in the first and last portion of the stroke with the middle being a little flatter."

So a bypass (equalization) port is "traditional", but a "natural air spring" is... no negative spring? Coil negative spring? Separate air negative spring?

All they did was make a relatively tiny air negative, complete opposite of EVOL, DebonAir, and MegNeg. This will just make it feel firm (which people think is fast, but isn't) in the parking lot test, and ramp fast at the end with relatively fewer tokens (save single digit grams of plastic token weight?). It's also going to feel quite firm whenever landing the front wheel, which has been considered a deficit of the Trust forks...
  • 2 0
 With the headline “...fork, shock, dropper.. PLATFORM”, I expected the dropper would control compression settings in the suspension.
  • 2 0
 $700.00 Canadian for half a drop.
Why not charge $1000.00 and give us a dropper post that has a minimum of 125mm?
that is like 10 bucks US a mm
  • 1 0
 Cool functional redesign of the seatpost. Looks like a similar fancy fender for the seatpost would work also with only 60mm of travel.
  • 3 0
 We want to know whats up with those rainbow spokes?!
  • 2 0
 The dropper looks simple, good and light at 369 grams. I wonder if other companies can make lighter droppers with springs.
  • 3 0
 The simplicity of the dropper sure isn’t reflected in the price...
  • 3 0
 ...but I want one.
  • 2 0
 I’ve tried to convince my wife for years that 60mm of rise is good enough.
  • 1 0
 That's a decent weight for a dropper post only twice as heavy as my normal seat post. Better than three times the weight of my normal seat post.
  • 2 0
 So the weight savings of the cutouts on the fork will be weight gains when riding in the mud
  • 2 0
 A lot of words and blue lines to explain a very basic design
  • 1 0
 Anyone watch the overly ambitious video on dtswiss.com?

Uh, if it makes sense to someone, please let me know.
  • 1 0
 What about other fork offsets? Seems like the trend goes towards shorter offsets than 51mm?
  • 2 0
 How about more information on the 300 year old mine / riding location...
  • 1 0
 Is that an oil slick hub I see on those XMC1200 wheels and some oil slick spokes! Whatttttt Lets talk about those...
  • 2 0
 Finally a modernized Gravity Dropper.
  • 2 2
 This fork obviously isn't as stiff as a Fox 34 or everybody would just make 32mm stations at the same stiffness. Does DT think we are all idiots like WAKI?
  • 2 0
 Spring return droppers suck, bad idea, e13 could t do it either.
  • 1 0
 "Undercarriage" is probably one of the most indirect ways to refer to someone's crotch.
  • 2 0
 Cool graphics!
  • 1 0
 No 31.6 size. Pretty pricey. Divine sl is light and is 31.6mm.
  • 1 0
 2010 called and wants its offset back
  • 1 2
 Girth. Holy balls those are thiccc.
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