First Ride: Merida eOne-Forty

Oct 17, 2019
by David Arthur  



Merida Bikes is clearly focused on its eMTB offerings with the launch of two new bikes for 2020, the eOne-Sixty, and bike we’re looking at today, the eOne-Forty. Each is based on their respective non-motorized cousins, but from there things get very different.

The eOne-Forty uses a carbon main frame with unique cooling fins to ventilate the removable integrated battery powering Shimano’s Steps E8000 motor, making space for a full-size water bottle, and rolls on mixed wheel sizes, 29” front and 27.5” rear. Travel is 133mm at the rear combined with a 140mm fork.
Merida eOne-Forty Details

• Intended use: trail / all-mountain
• Frame: Carbon fiber with aluminium swingarm
• Wheel size: 29/27.5"
• Motor: Shimano STEPS E8000
• Travel: 133mm R; 140mm F
• Head angle: 66.4º
• Size: S, M, L, XL
• Price: £4,350 - £7,000
• Weight: 22.3kg (49.2lb) size large w/o pedals
www.merida-bikes.com



First Ride Merida eOne-Forty
The STEPS E8000 motor is compact and low in the frame, coupled to a Deore XT crank
First Ride Merida eOne-Forty
You'll get used to looking at this display a lot. Battery percentage would be more useful


Frame Details

The new e-One-Forty is built around a carbon fiber main frame, aluminum swingarm and rocker linkage. The head tube area is massively oversized and hides an integrated steering limit to stop the fork from slamming into the down tube at full steering lock. The distinctive cooling fins may look like their meant to suck cooling air into the battery, but they're actually designed to allow heat to escape. Merida calls this "Thermal Gate" and it's intended to help the internal battery dissipate heat, especially on a hot day. The fins also provide ports for the internally routed rear brake, derailleur and dropper post.

Merida has opted for a Shimano Steps E8000 motor with the new Shimano E8035 504 Wh battery integrated into the down tube. It can be removed easily so you can swap it out for a spare - the top-specced bike here is sold with a second battery, opening up the range considerably for more playtime. The battery cover is sealed to keep out the elements and made from two polymer materials for sound damping.

First Ride Merida eOne-Forty
The fins look cool but don't provide much appreciable difference.
First Ride Merida eOne-Forty
The integrated battery is a breeze to remove, and the plastic cover cancels out any noise.


The battery charging port is located at the bottom of the downtube, the on/off button is positioned on the top tube for easy access, and Shimano’s E7000 remote sits neatly next to the grip for easy access to the three assist modes, with a dropper post control below it. Tucked next to the stem is a small screen giving you vital stats from range to speed, distance, cadence and more.

Mis-matched wheels aren’t a new idea, a few other brands have been similarly experimenting. The idea is that the bigger front wheel improves rollover and the smaller and wider rear tire increases traction. Merida has combined a 29x2.5” front with a 27.5x2.6” rear tire, stopping short of going down the full plus-size route. Suspension on the eOne-Forty is a single pivot layout with a rocker linkage driving the shock anchored to the frame.


First Ride Merida eOne-Forty
Power up and hit the trail.




Frame Options / Build Kits

There are five models to pick from, with prices starting at £4,350 and topping out at £7,000 for the range-topping eOne-Forty 9000 I rode. The bike I tested is equipped with a DT Swiss F535 One fork and Fox Performance Elite shock, a Shimano XT drivetrain with a 10-51t cassette and 34t chainset, and XT four-pot brakes with 203mm rotors at both ends. Maxxis DHF 29x2.5” and DHR II 27.5x2.6” 3C EXO TR tires are mounted to DT Swiss Spline HX1501 wheels with a 30mm internal width. The rest of the kit comes stamped with a Merida logo including the 780mm handlebar and 50mm stem.

All bikes get in the range get the same carbon frame and E8000 motor, so buying one of the cheaper models and upgrading key components over time wouldn't be a bad way to go.

First Ride Merida eOne-Forty
The eOne-Forty 4000 is the cheapest model but uses the same frame and motor
First Ride Merida eOne-Forty
One rung down from the test bike, the eOne-Forty 8000 with RockShox dampers



First Ride Merida eOne-Forty

Geometry

The eOne-Forty frame is identical to the longer travel eOne-Sixty, the difference is in the shock stroke length and fork travel to provide the extra travel and slacker geometry of the bigger bike. The eOne-Forty uses a shorter stroke shock to produce 133mm travel combined with a 140mm fork.

Merida also differentiates the bikes when it comes to sizing. The eOne-Forty is essentially a size smaller than a comparative eOne-Sixty because they wanted the shorter travel bike to be more agile and playful with better climbing performance, and because the shorter travel fork increases the reach.

But because a medium eOne-Sixty has the same length seat tube as a large eOne-Sixty, it means you can at least size up if you prefer a longer reach. For that reason, I rode an XL with a 470mm reach, 1,231mm wheelbase, 66.4° head angle and 76.4° seat tube. The eOne-Forty is also a bit lighter as well to extract more climbing performance, but we’re talking shades of difference.

15 Minutes with Reynaldo Ilagan, Head of Product Management

How do you differentiate between the eOne-Forty and eOne-Sixty?

Compared to the eOne-Sixty, the eOne-Forty's seat angle is almost one degree steeper and the front is lower because of the shorter travel and head tube. This puts more weight on the front of the bike and gives the eOne-Forty better climbing performance as the front wheel rises later than at the eOne-Sixty. At lower speeds, a steeper head angle makes the bike feel less wobbly. Again a positive attitude for uphills.

Another big difference compared to the eOne-Sixty is that the standover height is lower. The reason for that is the lesser travel, shorter head tube and lower bottom bracket height. Especially for beginners, the lower standover height gives a lot of confidence. In particular, for shorter riders, the eOne-Forty is a perfect match because there are not many brands that can offer such low clearance. The eOne-Forty is also slightly lighter than the eOne-Sixty. The reason is that the components are less downhill oriented. So for example fork, shocks and tires are lighter. That has again a positive effect on the climbing performance.

Have you adjusted the suspension from the regular One-Forty?

Yes, that’s needed because the leverage ratio is not the same. But not because of the weight from the ebike. To do the setup it is the same as it is for a normal MTB.

The EX Enduro 2019 Friday paulboxphoto gmail.com please credit paulbox

How have you adapted the progression and anti-squat values on this bike?

Progression is 8,1% (from the Sag => 2,4025 – 2,207). That’s not very progressive. But for us it’s important that also beginners can use travel and have a comfortable ride. With the standard shock spec, average riders can use the travel. And advanced riders can add tokens into the shock. Anti-squat is around 100% at 30% sag (over the travel the anti-squat is falling to 67.5%). For us the seat position is important when you climb. If there is to little anti-squat the seat angle gets quite low and you lose pressure on the front.

How important was integrating the battery into the down tube?

Very important. But not that important that we said that it is worth to losing riding performance. The simulation showed us that the frame loses up to 70% of stiffness. Furthermore, we tested some competitors' and here the riding experience was not good. The frame was so soft that the steering of the bike was not precise. That is the reason why we started first with carbon. Because of the material, it is easier to make a stiff frame although there is a big hole in the down tube.

Do the cooling fins actually help cool the battery?

The fins itself do not. They were made to have a nice design and that we can use them as cable entry. But the holes make sense. Especially when the bike is lying in the sun it could get pretty hot inside the downtube (like a car in the sun). Furthermore, carbon is a bad heat conductor. So at the holes, warm air can disappear.

What is the reason for the mismatched wheels?

For us, it is very important that the handling of the bike is similar to a normal bike. And with the smaller rear wheel, we can realize short chainstays and the smaller tire is also more agile. I think when you tested the bike you can agree it’s pretty agile. Furthermore, the rear wheel is a little bit wider (2.6”) for more traction. The 29” front wheel has better over rolling behavior. Here we choose 2.5” to make the handling more precise.




Merida held an informal UK launch for the new bike at the EX Enduro, a three-day enduro on Exmoor in the South West of which it’s a title sponsor. I’ve ridden the event numerous times and knew the hard climbing transition stages and mix of flowing, rocky and super steep tracks would be an ideal place to get to grips with the new eOne-Forty. It was also my first experience riding an e-bike in a race scenario.

Getting the eOne-Forty set up took some time. I fettled with the suspension during the first day of riding to find the right balance, eventually running the pressures lower and the rebound faster to get the best out of the bike. I ran about 28% sag rear and 25% front. The fit on the XL felt good with a reach figure I’m comfortable with, and the short stem and wide bar putting my hands in a good position for leveraging the extra weight of the bike around the trail.

The climbing ability is very impressive, as you might imagine with all that extra power between your legs. The Shimano motor provides smooth power delivery, and the steep seat angle helps when it gets steep to keep your weight nicely balanced between the axles. Long fire road climbs pass by quickly and more technical climbs are a challenge to be relished, not endured.

First Ride Merida eOne-Forty

It’s tempting to hit the Boost mode, but on very steep or loose pitches maintaining traction and keeping the front wheel on the ground can be a challenge; trail mode provides more than enough oomph to get up most ascents. On a regular bike I might flick the shock compression lever for the climbs, but here I found leaving it in full open mode all the time worked just fine since pedalling efficiency is less critical when you’ve got pedal assist. Climbing out of the saddle is largely an unrewarding experience; instead, sitting down and spinning up climbs proved the best way to tackle them.

Range anxiety is a key talking point with an electronically assisted vehicle and the range will depend hugely on the terrain, altitude, rider weight and the mode you use. On the first day, we clocked up 35km and 1,300m of climbing over very technical terrain, with lots of steep climbs and fast descents. I was being economical with modes, largely flicking between Eco and Trail modes. There was still juice in the battery when I finished. The second day of racing was a longer route with more climbing, but keen to demonstrate the ease of battery swapping, we had fresh batteries waiting for us as the lunchtime feed stop so we could be less frugal with the deployment of the assist mode.

Both rides are fairly typical examples of how you might use the e-bike. Either eking out the battery for a full day of riding or swinging back to your car/house to pick up a fresh battery for the second half of the ride.

On the descents, the eOne-Forty is more capable than its travel suggests. The high weight is a benefit when railing high-speed turns, pushing the tires into the ground for better traction and preventing the bike from skittering around on loose surfaces. I was hard pushed to say if the mixed wheel concept was a big benefit, but the smaller rear wheel combined with short chainstays do seem to help in the corners, both on entry and exit, letting you get out of corners quickly so you can then get back on the power.

Despite its weight, the eOne-Forty is reasonably nimble when you get onto a trail with lots of tight turns and awkwardly placed trees. It’s no ballerina like a regular trail bike, and it does take more body language to kick it around the trail, but once you have adapted to this slight change in riding style it’s an involving ride.

First Ride Merida eOne-Forty

The fun doesn’t stop as soon as you hit the 15.5mph (25km/h) speed limit either. On steeper trails, the speed limit is largely undetectable. You can carry a lot of speed through technical sections and the motor also helps you get up to speed quickly if you stall on a tricky corner or get hung up on some messy roots. It’s only on flatter high-speed trails where you face the decision to try and pedal beyond this speed limit, or tuck and go aero. I regularly found myself getting to the mid-30s but the effort-to-reward ratio seemed to swing in favor of tucking. This was while trying to race against the clock I should add; on regular rides the speed limit was less intrusive.

Merida has beefed up the components with the bigger disc brake rotors appreciated on the longer runs for slowing the extra mass down into the corners. The Maxxis tires providing reassuring grip, but the weight and speed the bike is capable of pushing the integrity of the tires to the limit. I punctured on the very last stage of the day, tearing the sidewall and punching a hole into the bead area rendering it a write-off for tubeless. The extra weight of chunkier tires would be advantageous.

The Merida eOne-Forty is a well-rounded package with smart looks, neat integration and good geometry numbers, and only really needs some meatier tires if you’re going to ride it anywhere near its full capability. It’s a fun and fast bike that is impressively nimble despite the high weight, and will suit someone seeking to further their riding horizons and distances and want to enjoy the climbs as much as the descents.








127 Comments

  • 26 2
 I don t get it fully. Why when you have an ebike would want this type of geometry and travel when you can have something more comfy and that works better doing downhill?
The gain you get uphill from this can be achieved by clicking once mote on the left lever.
  • 12 6
 Because of the exact same reasons on a regular bike why you might not want a big slack bike. It depends on the type of riding you do.
  • 7 3
 @SebastienPerlo , yeah I kinda agree. The normal reason to have shorter travel is to make the bike more efficient - but on an eBike, efficiency really doesn't matter. I don't really understand why you wouldn't want 180+mm travel. The relative weight difference is also minimal
  • 9 1
 @IllestT: efficiency is part of it (which allows ebikes to go farther) but handling is also a big part. A slightly more conservative geo, makes handling a bike through tighter singletrack faster, poppier, more agile and more fun for some riders. Slacked out long bikes can feel more confident inspiring, however Maneuvering them through tight technical areas will feel sluggish and boring for some riders/trails.
  • 24 8
 @utley06: Whatever the geometry, a 50lbs bike won't be "poppier"
  • 10 9
 @dhmad: Damn sure does when you have pedal assist, shorter wheelbase, and quicker handling bike.. Geo matters, even if its an ebike, sorry if you don't understand it.
  • 11 8
 Slack bikes are made for steep trails and more skills, perhaps they know their audience.
  • 3 1
 agreed. I just ordered a Norco Range because of the travel and battery capacity.
  • 2 0
 A lot of people don't have the trails or the skills that demand 180mm travel. To get that full travel you have to ride fast and hit drops/ jumps.
  • 1 0
 I agree. Beautiful bikes but both the 140 and 160 need 20mm more front and back. Rear suspension would be 153 and 180 respectively. Its easy enough to put a flip chip to have steeper head angle adjust for 65/66 ha and 64/65 ha again respectively.
  • 2 0
 @SebastienPerlo : I hear you, but my local is steep and pretty burly so I ride a 180mm kenevo, and still have fun at the mellower places a little further away. However, if my local was only the flowy mellow stuff with minimal chunk/drops/jumps/gnar I'd be tempted to get a shorter travel if the big stuff was too far away for me to ride regularly.

I do feel like 180 is the burliest I'd go as a middle ground bike though. It feels like a downhill sled or a heavy park bike, but still rips on the mellow with the aid of the pedal assist.
  • 1 0
 @utley06: I understand geo very. I've been riding for 25 years and had about 30 bikes, DH, XC, Trail and enduro. I'm so glad to see how geo evolved over the years. We now have wonderful bikes that are so capable, whatever their purpose. I had a Devinci e-bike with good geo and short stays, it was fun but I ended selling cause I didn't use it much. A bike over 50lbs can feel "poppy" at very high speed, but the weight will always be there and some trails and their inherent speed will make the bike feel heavy and sluggish at times.
  • 6 1
 I don't own an MTB e-bike, but if you live in Vancouver and can ride to the North Shore and ride without driving, then an eMTB is an enviro friendly choice, as well as a time saver because you won't get stuck on the bridge.
It would also allow you to live as a one car family and not have to have your gas guzzling pick up sitting dormant in a parking lot when the wife/husband needs it.
  • 1 0
 I've considered this a few times but the reality is that the current generation of ebikes can only get my 220lbs over the bridge and up one mountain and back, if I'm very very careful. I absolutely love the idea of doing a huge multi mountain door-to-door ride from East Van in just a few hours but it's just not possible right now. I'm not buying a $500+ second football battery to leave charging at a bike shop. It looks like the final form of these bikes is still being worked out and the battery technology still has a long way to go. As the batteries and motors get lighter all the componentry is getting beefed up to adequate levels and negating and weight savings. I look forward to seeing where we end up.
  • 2 0
 @alexsin: my buddy lives at Commercial and Hastings. I think he has a Trek ebike. He is 200lbs and regularly goes for rips on Seymour with his. It can be done. Gets about 55km range.
  • 7 4
 It's pretty clear to me that Pinkbike is not going to miss out the ebike thing / peding growth of this category. I ride in the Santa Cruz Mountains and just purchased a Decoy. Do I think the Decoy is going to replace my Yeti? Nope, but I do think on average I'll get one extra day of riding per week and that it will actually aid in my training. So 52 rides extra per year is ok in my book. On some of the Bay Area rides provide a significant drop into the forest which is a blast until you point back uphill. This is where is see the biggest advantage of the bike in that I'll get two full loops on a typical Sunday vs. one loop on the Yeti huffing and puffing with the best of them. Yes, the best of them. I do agree that there are some real idiots out there, and having an electric weapon will only make them even bigger idiots. Yet again, we're also talking about folks that attach Bluetooth speakers so they can enjoy their favorite shit music. Yes, this is a new phenomenon, the music crowd. Time will tell, but I do LOVE my Yeti, and the Decoy will be fun to use. Let's see how well the drivetrain, pivots, and motor hold up. It will progress and the sport will grow, and yes, be prepared to see many new articles on Pinkbike.
  • 3 5
 I give it less than a year and you will be selling your acoustic bike, the work out is better(if you want), faster riding, more riding, better descending and better climbing up stuff you never would have climbed before. Guaranteed! Smile
  • 4 1
 Its true what he says, I have heard the music and it is pure dogshit.
  • 3 4
 This may be the biggest load of shit I've read, except for the part about the idiots with speakers, that part is true.
  • 1 0
 Aren’t some of the best trails in Santa Cruz banning ebikes? I saw that last time I rode the flow trail.
  • 6 0
 Everybody hates eMTB's...except the silent masses of people who are starting to buy them.
  • 4 5
 In case you haven't noticed, there are way more lazy than non-lazy people out there.....
  • 3 1
 - lol - well, they are far from silent, they just have better things to do than sit on a form trying to explain to people that they are not motorbikes, plus, again, far from silent, they aint hiding and are quite proud, nay oblivious in many many cases about all this bitching the MTB communoity so loves to get involved in ..

also @SlodownU: .. what do you mean .. lazy people you saying that ebikers are lazy??
  • 1 1
 @see-the-world: "not motorbikes"

> literally a bike with a motor
  • 2 0
 @SangamonTaylor:
You do know that an AXS-equipped is driven by a motor, right? Thus, by your logic of a motor attached to the drive train, motorbike!
  • 3 0
 Probably because all the people with Ebikes are still out riding them haha
  • 6 4
 Why don’t you mention the average speed of the ride ,cause you say X miles and Y ascension but don’t mention the average speed and why not even the heart rate for knowing how tough it really or not was ,cause I can do that ride also with a normal bike
  • 3 0
 Okay. First day was 13.8km/h, the second day was 14.5km/h. Wasn't really pushing to be fast, it was social riding between the timed stages. Didn't have the HRM on that weekend, but I know it was definitely up on the climbs. I really want to do some more comparison testing for speed and heart rate
  • 15 2
 I ride 3ish times a week, fairly fit and when I’ve borrowed an ebike I’ve always worn a heart rate monitor.

I only crash e-bikes going uphill because I’m going 20km/h instead of 9. My heart rate is at 160-180bpm just like on my regular bike. Just going double the pace. Wait until you descend on an ebike. That was very surprising, they rip. Not as playful due to the weight but they truck through rough stuff like no other.
  • 3 2
 Who cares about any of that as long as it was a fun ride.
  • 2 0
 @mcozzy: It is just to more or less know how much the life of the battery,nothing more ,cause fun is all that matters no doubt,but sometimes you feel like you wanna push
  • 1 0
 @davidarthur: I was only asking cause all that stuff makes a difference in battery live ,cause sometimes it doesn’t add much value to a normal bike in a more fit person ,except having more fun on the ups ,and yes some time saving for a beer or two more ,thanks
  • 5 2
 @mcozzy: they’re too fun. Can get so much riding done when tight on time. Wicked for post injury as well.
  • 2 0
 Your getting down voted but it is a valid questions. Before I bought an ebike was concerned if riding one was still going to be a workout. I want fun but I also ride to stay fit. Speed and heart rate data for these reviews would be a nice addition.
  • 7 7
 @bonfire: Are you joking? I demoed an ebike for a day here on the North Shore in Van and barely broke a sweat. All I had to do was spin my legs lightly and the bike did all the work. Rode it up steep climbs and still was a minimal workout. They aren't really for me, I don't have a problem with them, just don't see that many around. As hard as the bike industry is driving to the hoop so hard with these, price point is a huge issue for many I assume. Also thought the ebike rode like shit descending. Was like going back in time 10 years to my 26" DH bike.
  • 7 12
flag Shafferd912 (Oct 17, 2019 at 8:34) (Below Threshold)
 @bucky99: Thank you. Finally someone with my exact opinion. I demoed an Ebike, and it was fun, but they're only for the streets. Leave them off the mountains.
  • 8 0
 @bucky99: Obviously there are a lot of people that disagree with you as seen with the explosion of ebike sales. Its fine that you have your own opinion. But riding a ebike is the best thing since lift accessed trails for me. I still get a work out and ride more now than i've ever ridden. Once you get used to the bike the downs are as fun as any other bike.
  • 4 2
 Come on up to squamish, we will go for a ride, if you can make it without sweating I will buy you any bike you want. Just Message me.
  • 4 0
 @bucky99: We have completely different experiences and that’s life. I’ve ridden a Levo (fairly often) and a Powerfly. When I’ve ridden them with other people, matching the speed of regular riding I agree. Barely an uptick. But to keep the bike moving as fast as it will go up hill I found them to be pretty normal in terms of effort, just going 28km/h. Sneak a normally 2.5 hour ride in, in an hour after work and be home for dinner.
  • 2 3
 @bonfire: @bonfire: You are all full of shit/out of your minds. A bike ride taking a long time is kind of the point! You know getting out, away? If all you want is a "workout", you can do that on a road bike or trainer.
  • 3 0
 @bonfire: I know where youre coming from but whenever im out riding in the woods I wont look forward to finish the ride sooner.

I want a break and turn off from the usual day-stuff
  • 4 1
 @SlodownU: lolol ok bro, how am I full of shit? Did I say it replaced my bike? No. Sometimes I want to get a ride in after work but want to beat the sunset in winter, or maybe I’ve got evening plans, but want to get out into the mountain behind my house.

Some days I want bike rides to take all or multiple days, some days I want to get a quick lap in and an ebike helps with that. If I had kids and/or much more rigid time constraints ebike would be a much bigger part of my quiver.

Why would I ever want to voluntarily subject myself to riding a trainer? What a daft comment. Also have a road bike and I just got back from a few hundred km’s of road riding and camping. Being outside is the goal and maximizing that time is the key and ebike can get me down more descent trails in less time. So if I have a spare hour I might not have bothered before whereas now, I know I can snag some quality trail time in that window.

I go to a gym to “workout” bikes are for fun.
  • 3 0
 @NotNamed: that’s awesome. We share the same goal. Being outside is always the break. Whether it’s an hour or five it’s still nice to be outside on pedals and wheels.
  • 3 0
 @SlodownU: well I ride ebike, trials, kite foil , e-foil, Moto, and do two sports a day and am a dad to a three year old. I spent 16 years racing full time as a pro, I have done lots of long rides, but I can now squish a 25-30km all single track ride in Squamish in 1:15 min And then go e-foiling and be home at 11 am for my daughter to spend the day with her, so for me ebikes allow to get more in , in a day. Not lazy just smart. If you want to grind up a hill for 2 hrs, awesome, but that is all where u are spending your time, not more sweet single track
  • 2 0
 I dont get it why they do not put a bigger tyre in the rear, when they already commit to mullet. I found a 27.5x3.0 the best match to a 29x2.5 minion. I had many flats with an Duro Miner though, and it is not an eBike. I have never ever ridden an eBike and probably will not for the next ten years, but I can imagine with a short chainstay this also makes for good fun on an eBike.
  • 1 0
 I found a 27.5x3.0 High Roller in the rear and a 29x2.6 DHF in the front is the best combo.
  • 1 0
 I always think about the Bosch Performance CX motor if i see your name above one of your comments...But it seems you have never ridden a CX motor Big Grin
  • 2 0
 Is it just a matter of time before all these ebikes start snapping their drive side components? I want to know how the stays and bearings are built to handle 50 lbs of bike and an extra 500w. I break things enough as it is on a normal bike. I also want to know how battery replacement is handled? In two years when my battery dies and the technology moves on am I SOL?
  • 2 1
 Have seen it already. Especially for a bigger guys these bikes start falling apart pretty quick due to the load. Two friends bought one couldn't stop raving about them and they were sold within a year. The Ebikes eat drivetrains, pivot bearings, and suspension if you ride them in a techy steep environment. The Battery question.... ask the manager at your local bike shop... it's a question they don't like to answer.
  • 1 1
 Bikes are built to handle 200+ lb riders. If well designed, the drive side last a long time. Most batteries can get 1000+ cycles before the capacity is affected. But yes, there should be better options for recycling one.
  • 4 3
 @bucky99: hmm, 15,000km on the devinci ac xt now over 4 bikes, not one issue, one has 5000km on it with same drivetrain. Basically a rear tire and rear pads every 900km. Never replaced anything else and bikes are in all in happy homes still been ridden. 500w/h batteries will easy go over 20,000 plus kilometers. I have one with about 7,000 km on it works perfectly. You can dream up all this stuff but I am actually riding the bikes. One ride does not constitute facts, if you had a joey ride a new enduro bike for a day would you accept his run down of the whole industry, ya didn't think so. Love to know what you think these bigger guys are putting on as a load on the bike over a carbon 30 pound bike? You whole post makes zero sense.
  • 3 2
 which battery do you own that only lasted 2 years and with how many kilometers on it?
  • 1 0
 @gticket : Probably not "all" of these ebikes, but we're definitely in a trial and error period, figuring out what they can handle. The cassette on my first ebike sheared off the hub completely. Thankfully, keeping the pawls aligned and the axle tightened in the frame allowed me to ride home. Learning curve though, so some time to figure it out is to be expected imho, and the manufacturer replaced it with a new wheel, hub, and cassette quickly.
  • 1 0
 @ranke: if you cheap out on components this will happen with any bike! Choose wisely always.
  • 1 0
 Maybe they're just counting on the fact that the majority of people buying them probably wont be riding very hard and know even less about bikes. Good for the shops too! Your average customer will probably just accept it as part of cost of ownership.
  • 3 0
 I think they look ok, Merida has always been relatively conservative. However, should there be that much moisture on the integrated battery cover?
  • 1 0
 I like my "muscular" bikes made out of a carbon frame but it looks to me like building the frame in aluminium to act as a giant radiator would be simpler and more efficient tgan adding cooling fins to a carbon frame.

In term of percentage the difference between an e-trail bike made of carbon over aluminium is at best marginal.
  • 2 1
 I saw one in the flesh last week, it looked great compared to the Specializeds, Giants and Kona's. I prefer it to my mates Decoy as that has a huge downtube, the pictures don't do the bike any favours.
  • 1 0
 Eww it's ugly ass snd you need your eyes tested. It looks like a 1980's microwave oven had a lovechild with an MTB. I'd take a Specialized Kenevo anyday, at least it actually looks like a bike and not a microwave MTB oven.
  • 1 0
 Giant or Merida? You might be on one or the other as they are the market share. On my planet there would be a universal battery for every ebike which could swap out wherever.
  • 5 6
 What's with the big push towards ebikes lately? I am not against them, but I do think if you are capable of riding a traditional bike that it would be a better option for both fitness and health. I think there's a place for ebikes but I have seen people zooming through trails on these at a dangerous speed which I think is unacceptable. In fact, I recently saw a person almost get hit by a car since they were speeding through street crossings.
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 I felt the same way until I rode one.. they are a absolute blast to ride. i now have both an ebike and a standard bike. It’s really hard to chose the standard yeti bike because of how boring and slow it feels on the climbs/flats. The overall riding experience feels cheap and dated compared to my ebike. Regarding the speed, it’s not much different on the descents other than the more planted feel. So the only argument for dangerous speeds are multi directional trails where head on collisions are a concern.
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 I was totally against them as well... but when I rode one it changed everything I thought I knew about ebikes. They are incredibly fun and I’ve tracked my heart rate on both my bikes, non ebike and ebike and I burn the same and sometimes even more calories on the ebike. You just end up riding twice as far with the ebike.
  • 7 0
 People go much faster on the downhills regardless of the bike. Its pretty clear, people enjoy riding ebikes and the demand is rapidly increasing. Simple as that. No sure how you can relate street biking thru traffic with an ebike....
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 @slayerdegnar: It was on the flats not the descents. Guess I shouldve specified since pinkbikers are quick to call anyone out!
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 It does seem a bit ironic is the world of carbon fiber frames/bikes and the ever present concern about bike weights that ebikes do seem to be getting so much marketing push. I suspect the bike industry sees ebikes as a significant potential market segment and likely they have significant profit margins on the ebikes.

Of course riding a motorized bike zipping up a single track is fun. It would be fun even if it were a gas powered engine, just not as "cool". I do see the problem with multi-use trail systems. Hikers already hate mountain bikers, but in the past at least there was only 1 direction a biker would be going fast on a single track trail.

I do know someone who is having health issues at a relatively young age that may limit his ability to continue to ride a standard mountain bike. Quite a shame as it's something he highly enjoys and also does with his teenager. I told him to get an ebike, life is too short. And he should just wear a jersey that says, "Don't Give Me Shit, I Have A Health Problem!"
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 Also, Northstar even put in a dedicated ebike trail this year. They also must be seeing the potential market share. Not like Northstar is going around adding more downhill trails. I even think Mammoth Mt allows ebikes, again market share/money.
  • 1 0
 @kwcpinkbike: ride one for a week and you will be sold! I find it funny that people always say the bike industry is forcing, pushing or making people ride them. No! They are showing riders what they have, you always have had and continue to have the choice in what you ride! The reason ebikes are taking off is that you can ride them hard and get a better cardio/fitness ride without hammering your legs, or tune the bike to do more work and ride at 30-40-60 percent therefore saving your body for important workouts while remaining on single track trails over having to do your training on a road bike, they descend better/faster and are a blast to ride! If you don’t like them then ride an acoustic bike and shit up and ride and if you like them then ride one and RIDE! Pretty simple!
  • 1 0
 Came for the comments Smile

On another note, would it not be smarter to have the "cooling fins" openings facing backwards if they are meant as exhaust?
  • 4 3
 The fins look cool? Jebus that is one bad looking ebike. And that’s saying something.
  • 1 0
 Contrary to what is stated, the 4000 has a lower power 60N Shimano Steps E7000 motor.
  • 1 0
 Where the heck are the modestly-powered, lighter weight e-mtbs?!

250 watt motors and less than 40 pounds, please!
  • 3 0
 Ride one first. You won’t notice the weight! Take it for some real riding and ride, don’t obsess over the weight. My devinci is 56 pounds and feels lighter than my 24 pound race bikes of yesteryear and descends like a DH bike , feels more planted and tracks straighter when it gets rough and loose.
  • 3 2
 Looks like a 9 Month Bike.
  • 2 1
 Excuse me while I turn my bike on.
  • 1 1
 Can someone explain why the kink in the top tube by the seat junction? Would a straight tube not be easier and stronger?
  • 2 0
 Standover?
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 design? aesthetics? because someone decided the liked it that way...?
  • 1 0
 I guess it's for standover height?
  • 2 5
 What's with the ebikes going to short cranks for all sizes of frames? I ride XL frames with 180mm cranks, 175mm for road bikes. These 160-165mm cranks don't feel right and my knees ache after trying these short-strokers. Give me my torque back!
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 They're made for people who don't have torque.
  • 2 0
 I'm tall but love short cranks. I can't feel a difference while pedaling between 175mm or 165mm cranks. But I can feel the extra ground clearance on technical climbs. And no, I don't have a eBike.
  • 5 1
 With an ebike you can attack uphills harder because that is where the extra power makes the difference. But you might touch the ground because the suspension is compressed AND you are pedaling. Remember, no pedaling, no power from the motor. So shorter cranks make sense.
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 @fiatpolski: Only for short people. Design the bike right, if you need more BB clearance, make it so. I'm on my second ebike, and I have/had 175mm on both. The torque from my body is what makes these bikes work, otherwise it would have a throttle, and that defeats the purpose of the design. And why do these same manufacturers put the same short cranks on the hardtail bikes? There's no clearance issue, unless it was poorly designed. Finally, when would you be on the down-stroke when your frame is fully compressed? If your suspension is properly set, it won't go full bottom-out except in big hits, which most riders would be level-pedaled for the landing. Learn to ride and ride bikes with properly spec'd equipment for your body size. 2M here (6' 6.5")
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 @OneTrustMan: on the other side, I've got a 175mm after a 170mm and the difference was brutal. I can spin almost the same, but on the lower cadence I have way more oomph. Ground clearance is done by thinner pedals too. Win win for me!
  • 3 1
 Climb a super techy up trail, you will hit stuff a lot, the shorter cranks allow better clearance and because of the assist you wont notice much.
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 @norona: Don't you think I know how to ride? You must be a short person, by my standard. I live in volcanic country, it's all steep, "techy" with sharp-edged blocky rocks. I've been riding "techy" for almost 40 years now, and on full-suspension since 2001. There's no justification for short cranks on large frame bikes other than poor design to sell to people who only point downhill at parks.
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 @Geochemistry: its different on an emtb. I thought the same but i end up pedalling up and over much more technical stuff. You wont lose any torque because you have the assist. On the tech climbs wet rooty nasty shit is super fun. Ive always liked tech climbs and have been more strong suit but what you do on the eeb takes fun up a few notches. You use the motor overun to get over stuff without pedaling but you still squeeze pedal strokes in all over to get and use that overun. You end up squeezing strokes in all over to get tge over run. If you do clip a rock or root now you have the motor pushing you more forcefully into that rock. I can make equipment last but im clipping my pedals more and have bent a pedal. I cant remember ever bending one. Fzct is you clip cranks/pedals more on them. My transition scout has a lower bb than my yt decoy but i clip the pedals much more on the decoy even though the trani has 170's and the decoy has 165's
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 @won-sean-animal-chin: You must be a short person who didn't read the entire thread. I know how to ride, MTB and eMTB, and as a tall person I need the longer cranks for riding. It's better to learn how to time and 'clock' your pedaling than to have cranks that don't let TALL people take advantage of their natural torque. Why do you think "points of engagement" on freehubs are important?
  • 2 1
 @Geochemistry: most wc downhillers are on 165's, some on 170's and a lot of tgem are very tall. I just said emtb is different. If you want longer cranks, use longer cranks. Problem solved
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 @won-sean-animal-chin: No, eMTB is still a pedal bike, and these are marketed for trail/all-mountain use. So why should a tall person have to spend a couple of hundred extra dollars on a new bike just to have an ergonomically fit? Nobody needs eMTB for downhill, so these bikes certainly weren't designed for that specific use. WC downhillers also tend to have small 7-speed clusters, yet those don't translate well for a trail/all-mountain use bike or eMTB. Apples and oranges.
  • 2 0
 150mm cranks on my kenevo are perfect, just keep peddling with no strikes to worry about.
  • 5 4
 no one has ever made an e bike that looks half decent.
  • 2 1
 You haven't looked hard enough, Rocky mountain, Norco, Pivot just to name a few.
  • 2 1
 The Ribble Commuter is pretty good looking, IMO.
  • 1 1
 I guarantee no eBike riders weight One-Forty. They should call it eTwo-Forty like racer #22 in the photo.
  • 1 0
 Party on
  • 2 2
 Does it run on gallo 12 or 24?
  • 3 2
 Love the rear fender.
  • 1 2
 Great bike until you come to sell it in a couple of years and the mullet bike fad has rightly disappeared!
  • 3 6
 E bikes should be DH bikes that climb, if you wanna pedal around and have the money to afford an E-bike in the first place then just buy a lighter trail bike and endurance will come
  • 2 1
 clowncar 9000
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 It's so ugly
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 That thing is an abomination....and I like e-bikes.
  • 2 1
 No, except for the head.
  • 1 2
 Norco's Optic > this thing #coolingfinsarenotcool
  • 1 1
 Stick. Ugly. Hit.
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