First Ride: Fox's New 38 Fork - Pond Beaver 2020

Apr 7, 2020
by Mike Kazimer  

It hasn't exactly been a secret that Fox was working on a new single crown fork – Richie Rude showed up with one at the final round of the Enduro World Series last year and the rumor mill immediately kicked into high gear. The wait is over, and now it's official: meet the new Fox 38. As the name implies, it has 38mm stanchions, and it's the stiffest single crown fork in Fox's lineup.

The 38 is brand new, but many of the design features are also found on the new 36 and 40 – you can read more about those two forks here.


Fox 38 Details

• Intended use: enduro
• Travel: 160, 170, 180mm
• Wheel size: 27.5" or 29"
• Stanchions: 38mm
• Lower leg bleeders
• Damper: Grip 2 w/ VVC, Grip
• Offset: 37mm, 44mm, 51mm
• Optional mud guard
• Floating thru-axle, QR and Kabolt options
• Actual weight: 2430 grams (29" w/ QR thru-axle)
• MSRP: $949 - $1199 USD
• More info: www.ridefox.com

The 38 is available with 160 - 180mm of travel for either 27.5” or 29” wheels. Prices range from $949 - $1199 depending on the damper and stanchion coating. Color options include orange, black, and a limited edition 'pistachio' version.

Weights start at 2180 grams for the 27.5” version, and the 170mm 29” fork I'm currently on weighs 2430 grams with the QR thru-axle installed. For comparison, that's about 200 grams more than a 2020 36.




Details

Just how much stiffer is the 38 compared to the 36? Well, according to Fox it's 17% stiffer fore and aft, and 38% torsionally stiffer. Those are significant numbers, especially since the 36 wasn't exactly a noodle. That increased stiffness was achieved in part by increasing the stanchion diameter, but the new arch and crown designs also contribute to those numbers.

The arch shape, which is also found on the new 36 and 40, is designed to provide plenty of clearance for oversized headtubes, even when a reduced offset crown is being used. The last thing you want is your headtube hitting the fork arch at the bottom of the stoke; this new shape should help ensure that the forks are compatible with all modern frame designs.

The 38 also gets an elliptical steerer, which puts more material where the steerer is pressed into the crown, another measure that was taken to make sure the 38 was as solid and sturdy as possible. There's also finally a bolt-on fender option - no more ugly zip ties required.

The 38 uses a floating axle system, with QR and bolt-on thru-axle options.


Floating Axle System

The 38 uses a floating axle system with one pinch bolt that's designed to ensure that everything is aligned, preventing any unwanted friction between the uppers and lowers. There's an aluminum sleeve inside the drive-side dropout that's able to move a few millimeters horizontally in order to perfectly match the dimensions of the hub. Getting it set up the first time a wheel is installed is simple – loosen the pinch bolt, insert the wheel, slide the axle through, close the QR lever, compress the fork a couple of times to make sure everything settles into place, and then tighten the pinch bolt.

After that, if the fork has a QR axle it's not necessary to loosen the pinch bolt for wheel removal – you can slide the axle in and out with it tightened down. With the Kabolt-X version, that pinch bolt will need to be loosened and tightened each time.


Bleed valves one each leg allow for the release of any air that gets trapped in the lowers.


Lower Leg Channels / Bleeders

All of the top level, longer travel forks in Fox's lineup get bleed valves for 2021. That little button on the back of each leg can be pushed to allow any air that's built up inside the lowers to escape, improving small bump sensitivity and making sure that the fork can achieve full travel when necessary.

That raised channel on the lowers also allows the fork's bath oil to recirculate, which keeps the foam rings and bushings lubricated and running smoothly.


Variable Valve Control (VVC) has been added to the high-speed compression circuit.


What's Inside?

That's enough words about the exterior of the fork – what's going on inside this thing? The proven Grip 2 damper is still an option, but it's received an update in the form of Variable Valve Control (VVC). Previously used for the damper's high-speed rebound, it's now used for the high-speed compression damping as well. VVC uses a small leaf spring that changes the fulcrum point of the shim stack in order to regulate how easy or difficult it is for oil to pass through.

There are 8 clicks of high-speed compression adjustment on the Grip 2-equipped 38, along with 16 clicks of low-speed compression and 9 clicks of high- and low-speed rebound adjustment.


Richie Rude doing Richie Rude things on the Fox 38. Ian Collins photo.


First Ride

In a different world, I would have had hours and hours of ride time on the 38 at this point, but unfortunately I've only been able to sneak in two rides so far, which means the testing process has just begun.

Fox's setup guide is comprehensive, and provides a good starting point. I'm running 84 psi for my 160 pound weight, with the high-speed compression set 5 clicks out and the low-speed compression 10 clicks out; we'll see how that changes once I get in more miles.

I didn't (and still don't) have any complaints about the stiffness of the 36, but the 38 does feel even more solid. One of the trails I use for testing has a nasty compression that leads into a sharp right turn, a section that puts a significant amount of twisting forces on any fork. The 38 took it without flinching, and it didn't seem like I needed to muscle it around as much as I would with a flexier fork.

Of course, more stiffness isn't always the answer, as anyone who's experienced hand pain or arm pump from bars, wheels, or suspension components that were overly stiff can attest. Again, it's early days in the testing process, but so far I haven't experienced any unwanted feedback from the fork. It already feels buttery smooth, and the blend of support and small bump sensitivity is top notch.

Two rides in and all I want to do is head out for my third, fourth, and fifth rides, which is always a good sign. Look for a more in-depth review in the future, once I've finished smashing straight through as many rocks and roots as possible.



Pinkbike Pond Beaver 2020






331 Comments

  • 1016 3
 Why wasn't the bleed valve called the "Fox Air Release Technology" valve instead?

Disappointed
  • 32 158
flag dirrrtjump (Apr 7, 2020 at 0:56) (Below Threshold)
 Why aren't you in a position of giving products and stuff a name?

I mean.. ya know.
  • 184 1
 Transition would have totally done that.
  • 212 1
 Probably for the same reason Trek didn't name their version of the Specialized SWAT box the "TWAT box"
  • 108 0
 @benmoosmann: I heard that SNATCH Hatch was on the table for a bit.
  • 5 0
 @benmoosmann: Thats gold. haha
  • 131 0
 Use FART valve to "Quickly Undo Errant Expansive Forces"
  • 31 1
 @CamNeelyCantWheelie: Could go with FART valve on one side, QUEEF valve on the other? Sounds about right...
  • 14 0
 Thank you all for the laughs this morning. I needed it. @Mfro @benmoosmann @Kiotae @CamNeelyCantWheelie
  • 22 1
 Waiting for the 39 to come out next season.
  • 14 0
 @jorgeposada: That announcement only comes out as soon as you cut the steerer on your new purchased 38 fork in May 2021
  • 20 0
 @jorgeposada: I'm going to wait 10 years for the 69
  • 3 0
 Phenomenal. I want on this bandwagon!
  • 4 0
 @jorgeposada: I think they're going straight to the 39 & half +
  • 4 0
 Fox Fart Switch®
  • 2 0
 here to give the 1000th prop.
  • 2 0
 1001th prop... lol lol lol

Also, @fartymarty , I believe this is the fork for you. Wink
  • 2 0
 @mtbikeaddict: not just me, everyone needs more F.A.R.T's
  • 56 1
 Hopefully they've managed to fix CSU creaks that used to drive me nuts on my 36. More material seems like a good way to go, given that my Z1 doesn't have any creaks yet (knock on wood).
  • 35 8
 Just make it dual crown and be done with it.
  • 7 0
 Just had another CSU fitted to my 36!
  • 12 0
 This is the main issue with my 2019 Factory 36, do a stoppie and it sounds like it's about to snap.
  • 5 0
 @antigit: Same here with my 34 Rythm too. Just waiting for a warranty replace...
  • 4 0
 @fartymarty: I just want a light weight 170mm / 180mm boxer. I’d be very surprised if it was much heavier than this 38 at 2.5 kg.
  • 13 1
 @thenotoriousmic: Boxxer Ultimate 275 is 2565g. 29 will be marginally heavier, I would take a 170mm Boxxer anyday over this.
  • 14 0
 @thenotoriousmic: Manitou Mezzer is under 2kg at 180mm
  • 3 2
 @mkosloske: that reminds me I’ve got a mattoc I need to get warrantied this month before it runs out.
  • 6 0
 @fartymarty: ..Yes!..36mm stanchion, 15mm axle with low axle to crown would have been perfect...
like MRP Bartlett.
  • 4 0
 The z1 unfortunately is also notorious for this. Buddy of mine rides one and had 3 CSU warranties in a short period of time. He got rid of it. Couldn't handle the shore jank!
  • 3 0
 I wish that I could get the Mojo Morc 36, but it hasn't been in stock for a while. I would much rather something like the Morc or Bartlett over thicker stanchions and a creaky CSU
  • 4 0
 @thenotoriousmic: it's getting into Totem territory. That was always criticised for being too heavy at 2.6kg for Solo Air. What's the lightest Boxxer? It's about 2.6kg isn't it?
  • 2 0
 I feel special, no creaking from a 36 or a Z1. But yeah, at that weight, I'd be looking for a dual crown fork.
  • 2 0
 @jaame: I struggle to believe they couldn’t shave 200 grams of a boxer for a enduro version.
  • 2 0
 @C0yotekid: I’m hoping as long as I get them in before the warranty is up I don’t really use them so I keep forgetting.
  • 2 1
 @thenotoriousmic: even if they simply made a 200mm fork into a 180 with shorter damper, shafts and tubes plus a bit less oil, it would probably do the trick. I mean, made everything shorter instead of just adding spacers to increase static overlap. That would probably save most of the 200g. If they did the thinner bottom crown like those old manitou forks had back in the day, so the top and bottom crowns look similar in strength, that would definitely have the potential to drop the weight by 100g
  • 9 3
 @jaame: I like how you guys are trying to f*ck up DC crowns in the same way industry f*cked SC forks...Just grow up and hit the gym ffs, 500 grams in fork is nothing, in this case boxxer compared to 38 it actually quite likely almost the same as is because you don´t need adaptors to use 203 rotors, cut steerer tube shorter and can use lighter DM stem...
  • 1 0
 Came to say the same thing. Lock the marketing guys in a closet and let an engineer speak honestly about this! There's a lot of us that love the way Fox damping feels, but won't come back until we know the chassis durability is there.
  • 3 2
 @Mondbiker: I do hit the gym thank you very much, or at least I did until it closed down. I'm strong as f*ck. But I would still like a 14kg bike. It's just better for a given strength rider than a 16kg bike.
  • 4 1
 @JustinVP: I just don't think they're worth the extra money. 3x the price of a Yari for an extra 5% in performance. I'm going to upgrade my Yari with Ohlins stickers. All the performance of an Ohlins fork for 2% of the cost!
  • 1 0
 @bikeblur: Mojo risin make a dual crown kit for the 36.
  • 1 2
 @Mondbiker: Dude you are my hero! Fox should have made a 38 dual crown.
  • 1 0
 @SintraFreeride: Thanks for the heads up!
  • 3 1
 @JustinVP: Really all they need to do is bring back bolt up crowns so you can take them apart clean them and grease them when they start creaking like we could back in the way.

@jaame it makes way more sense than over building a crown that’s still going to have more flex and still creek 6 months down the road.
  • 1 0
 My 36 that came on my Sentinel got replaced at 10 months with a kashima (all that was available). And a year into that one (and maybe 8 months of riding) it was replaced as the steerer was moving independently from the crown. Cheaper than a new fork, but still! @Bikerman36:
  • 4 0
 @jaame: ain't no 5% increase. The floating axle truly does make for smoother action, unless you got lucky and have hubs perfectly on spec and/or perfectly matching your fork legs. My 2019 Pike has never felt as good as my 2016 Factory 36 with the old floating 20mm axle. That thing was butter, even/especially when slapping the front wheel down after a lift-over or slightly back-seat landing. Pike is harsh even with the DebonAir spring giving that (RS typical now) dead 5mm of travel right off the top. Maybe a Push HC97 will help, but even with compression dial all the way open, the Pike still doesn't compare to the floating 36.
  • 4 0
 @just6979: the last fork I had was a 2014 36 RC2 Factory with the 20mm bolt through axle. It was a nice fork that creaked. To be honest, I got used to the creaking.
Since then I've had two Yari RCs, a 2018 and a 2020. The Yaris were not as good as the 36, but look at the price difference! Twice the price, not twice as good. Mountain biking isn't the only sport I'm into. I'm better off spending money on an acceptable MTB and then buying other stuff that's also acceptable, like golf clubs, holidays and gourmet scented candles (for my wife).
  • 2 0
 @jaame: honestly Yari’s are all you need unless you’re racing, you can get some 36’s or some lyrik and it’s not going to make any difference.
  • 2 0
 @Selthar: @Selthar: Same with 34 float performance elite. Its creaking back from warranty!!!
Just stupid!
  • 1 0
 has anyone actually ridden the Barlett? I remember reading (somewhere) that its damping isn't as refined as RS or Fox, but at the same time everyone seems to love the Ribbon.
  • 3 0
 @hamncheez: Yes..I owned a Bartlett for awhile. My Brother has one and a riding buddy has one too.
It did feel slightly less refined (not quite as silky smooth) than the Fox 40 I owned but overall a great performing fork! I really dug the low axle to crown and the 5.5 lb. weight..I had no complaints other than it's a little boring/a bit ugly looking and I had to use a 45/50mm stem instead of the 35mm length I wanted to use because a 35mm diameter bar wouldn't fit with the 35mm length stem because it would contact the fork stanchion. A 31.8 diameter bar would work just fine.
  • 37 8
 Looks mint. But why wont they make it with a 20mm axle. My 36's in 180mm flex, feel like a 20mm axle would just counter it with ease.
  • 16 16
 Watch the videos. The floating axle eliminates that. Plus... OE market. Sometimes it's better to get smarter instead of burlier.
  • 26 25
 Torsional flex is not exactly a bad thing, especially when riding rough sections and off cambers. you don't want flex on stanchions as that compromises suspension action. Foreaft flex doesn't seem welcome either. Upside down forks are tracking damn well because they are flexible torsionally.
  • 13 4
 @WAKIdesigns: alignment is more critical than people realize. That's the beauty of the floating axle in my opinion. Even the slightest bind caused by an overnighted QR can cause some stiction. Think a lot of people overlook that. I know I did for a long time.
  • 53 14
 15mm axle has absolutely no place on a 180mm big single crown fork I dont know why we even have it.,.
  • 8 10
 @onemanarmy: I clap to that
  • 17 21
flag WAKIdesigns (Apr 7, 2020 at 0:53) (Below Threshold)
 @zyoungson: because it does nothing. 20mm axles were necessary when forks had 32mm stanchions.
  • 26 2
 @WAKIdesigns: Why does the 40 have it then? even with dual crowns. lets hear the WAKIengineering answer..
  • 31 1
 @WAKIdesigns: Its the other way round, 15mm does absolutely nothing. It is the second best solution to a problem that was already solved. Strength, stiffness, weight, the 20mm axle wins every time.
  • 13 22
flag WAKIdesigns (Apr 7, 2020 at 2:37) (Below Threshold)
 @Ttimer: it does, it is here, has been adopted widely and now going back causes only more confusion. Functional argument wins over marginal gains.
  • 8 2
 My 36's have a 20mm axle, they are great!! ...but 26 inch tho ha.
  • 6 0
 @freeriderayward: Recently pulled apart an ancient 36, such a beast! perfect DJ fork.
  • 4 8
flag thenotoriousmic (Apr 7, 2020 at 5:32) (Below Threshold)
 It’s SRAMs fault we had 110mm 20mm axels back in the day and they changed it to 100mm 15mm maxels with the first pikes what wasn’t as good and we seemed to have just stuck with them new we’ve got totally pointless bolt up 15mm maxel ultimates which which are heavier and not as stiff.
  • 4 0
 More to the point, with the floating axle system, why do you not have the option to run either a 20mm or 15mm axle, surely you could just swap out the floating part?
  • 2 2
 As a counter to that, I fitted torque cap adaptors to my front wheel in my Lyrik 170mm, and I'd been pondering why my front suspension felt harsh, especially over roots. I've come to the conclusion that it's probably a bit stiffer. Due to lockdown, I've not really hammered the fork since making the change, so I'm not sure if there's payback. So stiffer isn't always better. For info, I'm ~75kgs
  • 8 0
 @thenotoriousmic:
I'm not sure on that one, the first 100x15 I've had in my hands was in 2009 from a Gary Fisher Roscoe with a Fox fork so not sure it just Sram fault!
  • 14 0
 @thenotoriousmic: No. Rockshox stuck with 20mm for a long time.
Fox were pushing their 15mm axle because they claimed that we can't have 20mm "Downhill" axles on light trailbike forks.
  • 1 1
 @Ttimer: ah ok. It was a long time ago. Did they run a 20mm maxel on the old lyrics / totems?
  • 5 0
 My 20x110 non-boost pinch bolt 36 isn’t going anywhere.
I’ve made upgrades to spring, and may the damper, it that chassis is the stiffest option out there, no idea why it isn’t available now. It think it is the pinch bolt, non-qr as much as the thicker axle
  • 8 7
 @thenotoriousmic: yeah. But game was lost almost instantly since 15mm was made to make it even easier to remove and install the wheel than QR and to give XCers a feeling it is some lighter thing, that they are not getting tech from DH bikes. So the moment all the lame ass transalp crowd bought into this, 20mm was sentenced to die on single crown forks. I wasn’t fine with it either But it proved to work just fine, so I see no point of going back.
  • 9 1
 @WAKIdesigns: This sums thing up pretty well. I think people lose sight that 15mm came about to replace 9mm road style QR's, not to replace 20mm.

Now with 15 so prevalent, if anyone were to release a long travel fork for anything but a DH bike, and you want to convert over the parts you have from another bike (wheels...,) it's likely much easier if it is 15mm.

The stiffness changes are likely minimal between axles and most wheels are 15mm. Sticking to 15 at this point is better for the customer with less things to change actually.
  • 5 1
 @onemanarmy: smarter instead of burlier. Hogwash.
  • 12 1
 @onemanarmy: smarter would have been to never introduce 15mm axles in the first place.
  • 2 0
 @MTBJR: Most decent hubs just require new front end caps to convert to 20mm.
  • 1 4
 @zyoungson: because 20 mm is a dh standard. A dh fork is put on a much higher stress levels than a single crown. 20 mm axle is balances with a 40 mm dual crown. A38 mm single crown is overall more flexy and is balanced with 15.
  • 9 0
 @Uchwmdr: Thats rubbish. 20mm was the standard in trail and all-mountain forks back when those were much more flexy than they are today. There is no such thing as "balance" between fork and axle flex. Both are bad.
  • 1 0
 @mountainsofsussex: good chance the torque caps changed the spacing of the hub slightly: legs not straight after tightening axle equals binding equals harsh.

Floating axle would keep the legs how they were: less binding equals less harsh.
  • 2 0
 @just6979: hmmm, interesting thought. I mainly got the adaptors to make the wheel easier to slide in and out, and the fit is ok. Time on my hands to look at the bike - thanks Corona - so maybe do some experimenting...
  • 34 4
 Where are you at Rock Shox? Where is the dayumn Totem guys?! The time has come to see something bigger than 35mm.
  • 7 1
 35mm diameter dual crown???
  • 50 1
 38.99mm, wait for it..
  • 9 1
 ZEB
  • 58 3
 35mm is just outer diameter. Inner diameter plays a big part in stiffness too. Pierron had no problem with the 35mm Boxxer on his bike. Personally, I take the DIY super easy service of RS products over Fox any day.
  • 3 0
 Blackbox
  • 5 3
 @phops: That is the thing. I'm not bashing rock shox what so ever. Love their ease of service. Recently I've rebuilt a Yari, while watching netflix and chilling. If I would take a part a Fox with the Fit 4 damper I would have been too busy measuring Fox float fluid, fox gold fluid etc.????????
  • 22 6
 Why? The Lyrik is far stiffer than the 36, it might even be on par with the 38 (we don't know yet).

Or is it just the marketing-driven hype machine mindset that demands something "new" every month just for the sake of it?
  • 11 4
 @Ttimer: Same with Cane Creek's Helm. It's so much stiffer than my 36. I'm willing to bet the 38 still doesn't match the chassis stiffness of the Lyrik or Helm.
  • 2 0
 Make it imperial 1,5 inch then
  • 2 0
 @Ambushell: There's a name I haven't heard in a long time
  • 6 0
 Doesn’t really matter how big the stantions are that’s just one part of the equation. 36’s flex at the crown the lyrik is a lot stiffer with 35mm stantions and I think the mezzer is the stiffest of them all.
  • 5 2
 There's a page for it on RockShox's site.

www.sram.com/en/rockshox/products/forks?filters=series|Totem&sort=Relevancy&page=1

It's blank right now, but could be a placeholder for a 2021 Totem.
  • 2 0
 @mmckechnie: well there is substructure looks like. It's not 404 blank page
  • 15 0
 Came to look at the fork, but I'll be honest, I got a bit distracted by the bike.

Raaw Madonna v2 review coming soon?

Of course, I say that like I'd buy the thing if the review was positive. But its been out of stock in all sizes for months. Hoping its back in stock sometime in the future though Smile .
  • 7 0
 Same here! Eyes on the Raaw Madonna V2! Look forward to the review!
  • 10 0
 @ocnlogan, yes, a review is on the way. You'll be able to read it in the next few weeks.
  • 3 0
 @mikekazimer:

Awesome man, thanks for the hard work. It gives me something to look forward to during lockdown Smile . I'm really curious to hear your thoughts on it, and any comparison to the Banshee Titan, as both are very interesting to me.

I was actually starting to wonder if the shelter in place order had cut into your rides enough to delay the review, but I'm glad to hear that isn't the case.

Stay safe sir Smile .
  • 2 0
 I took mine for a first ride yesterday ????. Mellow trails so it felt like riding around in 1st and 2nd gear knowing there is a lot more speed on tap. It's not the jib machine that my 5010 is, but still plenty maneuverable, just takes more effort to chuck about. And hot damn it can carve a corner. Bb is quite low, but I never actually had a pedal strike. 5'8 on a Medium and the sizing feels spot on
  • 1 0
 @ocnlogan: +1 for comparison with Titan
  • 1 0
 @smokingblues:

Raaw updated their website. Sounds like the next batch is arriving in May, and is almost entirely sold out. Plus it looks like they have increased their prices by a few hundred dollars (~$400, if I recall the original price correctly). They say to reach out and email them though if you want to "get in line" so to speak.

Still super interested in the review, but that price increase puts it that much farther out of reach (it was at the very edge already) :/.
  • 17 1
 Hmmm, $1199 Fox38... $1200 dollar Stimulus checks. = Illuminati
  • 2 0
 You know what to do.
  • 12 0
 Sounds great with lots of interesting and promising changes. On the other hand: every Fox review on a major site of a single fork or shock raves about it. Then I try one and am often disappointed. Then after a year bikes with the new raved about suspension get reviewed and get some negative feedback on those same suspension products...
I wonder what we'll be saying about these forks in 2 years time. Might be great things, might be a lot more nuanced.
  • 2 0
 It's more likely that it wasn't properly set up. the difference between an ok fork setup, and a good fork set up is massive, and it plays a huge role in comfort and performance. where you tried them they were likely set up by people who didn't know how to do it, which influenced you. I've felt the same thing, on demos, and then when I got my own fork, and adjusted it myself, it felt insanely good, just like the reviewers say. I think that a well adjusted mid-low tier fork will outperform any high end fork if they aren't adjusted properly.
  • 2 0
 @Angu58: I agree on the importance of proper tuning. However, the last Fox fork came stock on my bike (F34 Performance GRIP). I played with tokens, air pressure, compression and rebound for days and even upgraded the 2017 air spring with the 2018 EVOL one. It was a pretty decent fork, but at MSRP I would be very disappointed. I now have a Mattoc Pro with IRT that has an almost 50% lower street price and blows it away on small bump, square edge hit and support simultaneously. And the Mattoc has far more tuning options (air pressure, IRT, HSC, LSC, rebound and HBO) and has therefore probably not even reached its full potential.
  • 2 0
 @Mac1987: The performance series of Fox should be soled OEM only. The damper is quite different and much less complex. Not fair to put them on the same level as Performance Elite/Factory forks where the difference between them is having Kashima or not.

It's really unfortunate that Manitou does not get the attention that Mattoc and Mezzer deserve...
  • 1 0
 @pr3dator: not in Europe. The Fox 34 Performance is sold everywhere for €500 - €900 depending on spec (for reference, Mezzers are sold for the same price...). Maybe this is because there is an even lower OEM model with the Rhythm? Also, a lot of people (incl. PinkBike) felt little difference between the Performance GRIP damper and the old Factory FIT4. Some even prefer the GRIP damper, which is why I had high hopes beforehand.
  • 14 0
 "Pistachio"!?!?! That's nuts! Ok... I'll show myself out.......
  • 14 7
 I like the introducton on Enduromtb far more. More details, no hype pushing. Also the idea of Marzocchi 66 returned. Fox is like Apple of MTB (oh I will have so much negative props for that, please consider that I am using Fox shock though). They reinventedold idea and declaired revolution :-)) and yet not much time ago we have all heard the opinion that 66 concept is dead as new angles, advanced design, techology etc makes 66 redundand. Seriously I am almost sure that FOX (as Marzocchi owner) will allow us to see new 66 line shortly.
  • 3 2
 I wouldn't say Fox is the Apple of MTB, at least Fox's new releases aren't outdated by 2 years from factory. XD I'm pretty curious about that 66 line, it sounds like an interesting concept.
  • 4 2
 the concept of high travel forks is not exclusive to the Marzocchi 66, and the thing that made the 66 obsolete is its weight and laughable compression damping (as was the case with all Marzocchis from that era)
  • 1 2
 @nhp890: I am talking about the idea of one crown 180mm fork without going into details such as damping. Industry quite recetly told us that these days are done.
  • 3 0
 @johnyyy: Still, not exclusive to the 66. We had the RS Totem, the Domain, the Lyrik, the Fox 36 (I think they introduced the 180mm option around 2012 or so). Today, the 180mm fork market is awash with options
  • 2 0
 I'm curious how the test fork at EnduroMTB was 225g lighter than the test fork at Pinkbike...
  • 3 0
 @skylerd, it's possible they weighed it without the thru-axle. The weight I listed is with an uncut steerer, with the QR thru-axle installed.
  • 1 0
 @mikekazimer: aren't the axles like 90g? And there's no way a few cm of steerer tube weights more than 20g.
  • 1 0
 @skylerd: Everyone uses the lightest possible configuration to base their weights. That's why they're called starting weights. Fortunately FOX doesn't hack the steerer pretty much completely off to get their weights like some companies. Think it's cut to an average length and weighed with the lightest axle and damper configuration.

Or mike's scale is just wrong. LOL!
  • 11 0
 So pretty much same weight as a Boxxer. Just sayin
  • 10 0
 And why should I trade a 36 for a 38?
  • 4 8
flag onemanarmy Plus (Apr 7, 2020 at 0:15) (Below Threshold)
 If you're a bigger dude or harder rider.
  • 23 0
 If you make rude look slow, 38 is for you
  • 29 1
 If you have an ebike
  • 9 0
 Is this going to fix the dreaded creaky crown that plagues literally every North Shore Fox fork.?
  • 8 1
 Wheel isn’t central in lower legs. Why would you not just have a 20mm axle and full bolt up lower legs on the axle? I’ll stick to a Lyrik cheers.
  • 1 0
 To be fair it looks like the wheel not the fork
  • 1 0
 It's just the angle of the photo
  • 5 0
 Any more details about the elliptical steerer tube? Sounds like a good idea and I wonder how high up it goes? Will it make life difficult for all the One Up EDC owners out there.
  • 4 0
 On a german website it says the elliptical shape is limited to the tapered part.
  • 2 2
 How heavy would it be without that elliptical weight savings? 2500g?
  • 4 0
 I really want to see the diagram of the channel for the additional oil flow to the uppers and where it opens up in the fork. Grip/Grip 2 has a port for expelling air from the non sealed damper and wondered where that air went over time. If you have ridden these Grip forks long enough, you will know they hit a point where when they need service the fork gets harsh. I bet this helps expel that small build up over time to keep the fork running smoother longer. Pretty slick idea and better implemented then the design on the older 40 forks.
  • 4 0
 I am honestly a little disappointed, it really seems like they are pushing a chassis update and a bigger chassis with the 38. They briefly mentioned more negative volume and VVC on the compression damper but no details. Maybe those will come at a later date but for now why would I want a new 36 when I could get a vorsprung luftkappe and push low friction seals for my current 36 and have an amazing fork. Also, with companies like MRP, Ohlins, Manitou, and probably others proving how great a three chamber air systems can be it just seems like Fox is sticking with the status quo.

They barely mention the new integrated fender.... www.ridefox.com/family.php?m=bike&family=38
  • 1 3
 Yep - my main issue with my 36 is off the top compliance due to air side friction and a too small neg sping. Even with a Lufkappe its not as good as a lyrik. The 38 doesn’t seem to do anything to remedy that and with the larger diameter seals and tubing it could actually be worse. I deffo don’t need my 36 to be stiffer.

For the same weight as a 38 you can get a smashpot 36... probably for a lot less money.
  • 2 0
 @Karve: I found this on enduromtb for the 38. Sounds kind of janky as described but it could be some kind of air cartridge. Again not many details.

"Unlike most forks (including the 36) where the spring piston runs down the inside diameter of the fork stanchions, FOX now uses a floating machined air sleeve. This air sleeve is free to move slightly inside the stanchion, so the piston can maintain a smooth path even if the fork is twisting. This results in improved function when experiencing torsional loads like off-camber sections and heavy braking, The addition of a sleeve means the inside diameter is reduced, and the 38 uses the same piston head size as a FOX 34. The narrower sleeve means the fork runs on slightly higher pressures, but the advantage is that the seal diameter is also smaller so the seal friction is less."
  • 2 0
 @palirojo: that could also mean the hability of convert to coil and back to air
  • 1 0
 @palirojo:

Good info thanks
  • 1 0
 I think we are at a point now (just) where you dont need the very latest gear to have a good bike. last time we were here was around mid 2000s. bike development will probably slow down a fair bit from now, which isnt necessarily a bad thing.
  • 1 0
 @palirojo: Sounds like what ohlins do with a cartridge. Would be interested to see what they mean by 'floating air sleeve' because the ohlins one screws in to the crown and would see every bit of bending load the rest of the fork gets
  • 9 2
 Dentists all over the world are gonna go crazy for this!
  • 4 1
 I'd be highly interested if @foxfactory or also rock shox are considering a Talas or DPA ever again? Of course dampening should work similar well than the soloair option. when you have a bike that for example has 160 rear and the brand gives the option to have 160-180 in the front, a Talas feature would be incredible to have both that is changable quckly - a trail and more park oriented setup. especially with bikes that offer Low and High geo settings like the Megatower for example.
  • 5 0
 The real question is: "Where can I buy those DH22 tires?!" I've been looking everywhere ever since they were announced and still no news
  • 1 0
 Suppliers are saying they should have stock at the end of April! It was initially suppose to be end of March but got pushed backed.
  • 3 0
 Looks nice! But I don’t like that 170mm travel 36 are no longer offered. I don’t need the extra stoutness of the 38 on my new build. Wonder if the 36 travel can be increased on the 36 with longer air spring shaft? I would think so?
  • 6 0
 It’s a beaut. That crown has grown on me
  • 3 0
 Same. It looks tuff.
  • 2 1
 @brianpark: yup. lotta people start out hating on it until they see it in person. Looks tough as hell.
  • 1 0
 Better than the last crown for sure.
  • 5 1
 A Raaw Madonna?
Disappointed to say the least! This beasty 38 on the Grim Donut, would be the perfect occasion to stun the world!!
  • 4 1
 I was thinking the same thing. How cool would it be if half of the photos of the 38 floating around the internet were of it on the Grim Donut? And how annoyed would Fox be?
  • 3 0
 I'm just hoping the Pond Beaver finally delivers us the Grim Donut at the apex of the show!
  • 6 1
 No thanks, I feel like 38.99 is the ideal size. Rock Shox will release that next week anyway
  • 3 1
 Hmmm... I spy a page for the Totem on RockShox's site.

www.sram.com/en/rockshox/products/forks?filters=series|Totem&sort=Relevancy&page=1

It's blank right now, but could this be a placeholder for a 2021 Totem?
  • 2 1
 Is the 949 USD Price for the Factory Fit4 or is that for performance level fork, cus holy cow thats alot of money for a Entry- midlevel fork" otherwise, or am I reading that wrong. 1259eur for a Performance level fork would be highway robbery here in europe
  • 5 33
flag mhoshal (Apr 7, 2020 at 1:12) (Below Threshold)
 @Tobsa ah fox doesn't make entry level forks bud might wanna stick to your suntour catalogue.
  • 10 2
 @mhoshal: Im extremely happy with my Suntour Auron RC2- plush, good build quality and cheap replacement parts.

Oh and it costs 400€ or less new.

Couldnt wish for more.

The Fox 34 Rythm is an entry level fork for example- so Fox does make them.
And the 34 Rythm is a joke to be fair.
  • 2 0
 1589€ for the Factory ????????????
  • 7 0
 @mhoshal: Iam perfectly happy with my Lyrik tyvm
  • 6 7
 @mhoshal: Even a certified FOX technician told me that FIT4 is entry level damper good only for riding around on pavement. When I pointed out that after 4 days in bikepark the fork was completely unrideable and needed full rebuild. I'll stick to my RockShox TVYM.
  • 3 5
 @NotNamed: that isn't an entry level fork it's one of suntour top tier forks it better be quality lol.
  • 4 7
 @i-am-lp: I don't care what they told you which I doubt anyone did but an entry level fork is a suntour xtr or a rockshox tk 32. Nothing fox makes is that low end or entry level as you called it.
  • 5 10
flag mhoshal (Apr 7, 2020 at 1:42) (Below Threshold)
 @NotNamed: a joke fork is the entry level forks like the suntour xtr or rockshox tk32 which the fox 34 still blows away in any modal.
  • 3 18
flag mhoshal (Apr 7, 2020 at 1:47) (Below Threshold)
 Anyone who disagrees with this just answer this one question how many fox forks do you see on budget bike in the sub 3000 range? The answer is almost zero that literally proves my point that fox doesn't make entry level forks
  • 8 1
 @mhoshal: it depends on whether you define entry level by price or performance. Price wise, Fox does only high end. Performance wise, it varies between lower midrange to high end.
  • 15 2
 @mhoshal: just off the top of my head...

The Diamondback Release 2 comes with one for under 3.
Giant Trance
YT Jeffsy
Specialized Stumpjumper ST
You can get the stumpy evo right now for just over 3.
Stumpjumper
Commencal Meta AM 29
Fuji Auric


Should I keep going?
  • 3 21
flag mhoshal (Apr 7, 2020 at 3:20) (Below Threshold)
 @onemanarmy: almost none of those bikes are under three grand Canadian bud.
  • 2 31
flag mhoshal (Apr 7, 2020 at 6:54) (Below Threshold)
 Just because all you f*cking idiots downvote me doesn't make it any less true you stupid morons!!! Downvote that you f*cking doorknobs!!!
  • 6 8
 @mhoshal: dude, find a girl, take her to a hotel room, get it out on her!
Fox makes good products, but the marketing hype is too much on them. Not so much better (if at all) than other brands, but their pricing is ridiculous. And i mean high end forks and shock by Fox and other brands.
  • 3 0
 @mhoshal: mhostile* more like
  • 3 0
 Awesome to see they are still coming with the invisible mud guard held on with the two threaded holes in the back of the arch. I just wish it kept mud out of my eyes better !
  • 6 1
 This is an E-bike fork right?
  • 3 2
 They sure came a long way to build a fork that doesn't visually distinguish itself from any of their other products. It would have been nice to put a couple of bigger testers on it to see how long it took for the CSU to start creaking. So many people are gunshy about these forks knowing that Fox has ignored the creaking for multiple generations of forks and here they have a new product which I bet will be exactly the same. You know that if they'd fixed the creaking issue their marketing literature would be full of all the measures they took to improve the fork but they didn't.
  • 1 0
 I'm done with fox until they have a track record of at least 2-3 years without CSU creaks. It's PATHETIC that this issue still exists in 2019, and plagues even their highest end fork like my 36 Grip2.
We as customers are all gullible morons for allowing this, and bike reviews (much like this one) are equally guilty for not mentioning this.
  • 1 0
 Well guys, check your steerer tubes on your new Fox 38s (for those that bought one). Steve at Vorsprung has a video that shows one has the steerer tube pressed into the crown all crooked like - the thick parts Fox claimed to help with fore and aft stiffness weren't facing the right way! I checked mine and while it isn't terrible, it's also not centered either.

Dammit Fox!
  • 2 0
 The Fox 38 fork ID D2PK doesn't show at,

www.ridefox.com/fox17/help.php?m=bike

The code you entered isn't in our database
  • 1 1
 It's fake
  • 8 3
 Holly ugly arch...
  • 2 0
 How is the "floating axle" any different than the axle design I had on my 2015 Fox 36 and 2009 Fox 36? Both had pinch bolts. My current Fox forks do not.
  • 3 2
 Functionally it isn't. The new one is implemented differently, with the single pinch-bolt and the addition of the sleeve to allow using a QR axle. I'd still rather have the (convertible) 20mm, even with needing FIVE bolts to loosen to get the wheel out, because that thing was soooo stiff.

And either my Pike is crap or my hub is out of spec (probably, it's unlabeled OEM stuff), because my old 36 (stolen!) with the 4-pinch floating axle was so much more sensitive off the top. Pike is harsh when slapping down the front wheel, even with the usual RS air-spring dead spot at the top that's very noticable in the parking lot test; but the 36 was always butter, even without a newer EVOL or DebonAir spring, because the legs were free to run as they needed to.

On a non-Boost Hope Pro 4 hub, the 20mm axle and hub adapters was actually lighter than the 15mm axle and adapters! Plus how often to you need to take a wheel off anymore? Bring back the 4-pinch! Ok, maybe a 1- or 2-pinch version of the 20mm!
  • 2 0
 I'm dreaming of how stunning my polished alu Meta HT would look with a pair of pistachio 160mm 38's on the front. Sigh. Time to start saving...
  • 3 0
 Just looked up the initial EU prices. Fox 38 Factory is about double price compared to DVO Onyx SC! Crazy, just crazy.
  • 1 0
 Umm the current 36 has a bolt on fender option. It's made by Syncros and it's not as blingy as the aftermarket options but it does bolt in and integrate nicely into the fork.
  • 2 0
 True; I was referring to a bolt-on option available directly from Fox.
  • 1 1
 @mikekazimer: Yeah it's weird how it seems only syncros made a fender that's meant to bolt onto the fork and fit all the nooks on the arch vs. fox making one themselves and including in with the fork like DVO does.
  • 1 0
 Wonder if Rock Shock will come out with a 37.99mm stanchion? I imagine their engineers are looking to find the optimal girth without being confined by arbitrary nominal dimensions.
  • 2 0
 Well, i guess there may be a new Totem in my future, having run the RC2 DH on two of my bikes, one could hope a 27.5 or 29 Totem is in the works. Take my Money.
  • 4 0
 Coming soon to a flat flow trail near you...
  • 2 0
 Lost opportunity to make this 20mm since these forks are so close to DH forks, people will probably want to swap wheelsets with DH bikes.
  • 1 1
 Floating Axle : a way to make up for the dreadful inability of hub manufacturers to make hub to simple, easily obtainable Widths.

A sad reflection on the Pathetic manufacturing efforts in the endlessly hyped / BS filled MTB Industry.

The 20mm axle. It's all we ever bloody well needed, but no, Fox had to do the 15.
  • 1 0
 So with the talk of stiffness and overkill... Slightly off topic here, but is the 34 enough fork for a 160lb guy riding all mountain with the occasional park day? They are significantly cheaper than 36 in the used market.
  • 3 0
 Looks massive like a Totem.
  • 3 0
 im a RS fan but shit that looks good
  • 6 2
 It looks flexy
  • 3 0
 That special edition green one looks ace.
  • 2 1
 Just make a one piece crown as X Fusion and öhlins. Stiffer, lighter, no creaking. No weird idea, just to be the real new sh** ;-)
  • 4 0
 The creaking is mostly stanchions, not steerer. Source: I pull them apart and fix them.
  • 1 1
 yeah...why cant Fox be cutting edge like X-Fusion
  • 1 0
 @Dougal-SC, have you seen any problems with the current marzocchi forks?
  • 3 0
 Hope they have a Coil Marzocchi version soon.........
  • 3 0
 SRAM... Hold my beer. Introducing the new RockShox Totem!
  • 1 0
 I still have a brand new uncut 2005 66RC that I’ve been saving for after the apocalypse. I’m guessing it’ll outlast this new Fox
  • 1 0
 I wonder if they'd get lower weight and higher rigidity with smaller stanchions but dual crowns. Like 34mm stanchions with a 20mm axle....
  • 3 0
 Specialized tried this. I think a big part of it was image, unfortunately. No matter how much better it was, people saw two crowns and assumed heavy or overkill or "making up for shitty engineering".

Also didn't help that they also used a different axle... But still. No one wanted the dual-crown look on a trail bike.

It also wouldn't be more rigid in every direction. Torsionally, yes, thanks to dual-crown and big axle, but fore/aft would be shit unless the stanchion walls were thicker, and then you lose the lightness.
  • 2 0
 Ya'll probably laughed at Gordo Chili's, who's laughing now? images.app.goo.gl/vBWqhmtN3eQ77PKE9
  • 1 1
 Marketing ABC = Bigger/more the better! Must have, better! Innovation, better!

I remember Fabien Barel saying the fork uppers diameters is not a tangible improvement pass 34. But what does he know! Hes slow!!!
  • 1 1
 There are so many more things than just the outside diameter of the legs. Many of RockShox' modern forks use 35mm stanchions, but with different materials, and wall thicknesses and profiles, and crowns, and arches, and dropouts, etc etc. RS decided to use 35 everywhere and tweak other things (arguably more technically difficult). Where as Fox decided the free stiffness (bigger diameter can have thinner walls and be stiffer for less weight) of bigger stanchions and everything attached to them (bigger stanchions _need_ a bigger crown, so free stiffness again!) was the way to go.

So, Fab, no matter how fast he is, was talking out his ass. Also he's not a big guy. Talk to a rider around 95 to 100 kg and see if they can feel how a 34 150 differs compared to a 36 or Lyrik. They will notice, and they won't like the 34 noodle!
  • 1 1
 @just6979: Sure, Barel is the typical person that does not know what he is talking about, and 220 pounds riders are faster than him....

In my experience both Fox and RS forks have been way over rated. Maybe it is because I see their ads everywhere?
The Italian Marzocchi and Formula made/make much better forks. That do not fall apart or have to service every other ride. That said Fox and RS are not bad.
  • 1 0
 Of course, the 'Floating Axle' could be a way for Fox to accommodate their own matchining inaccuracies. I ad that to forestall those that wan't to go there.......
  • 2 0
 Enough about the fork how do I get a Kazimer bike stand !?
  • 7 0
 I’ll whittle one for you for only $99.99. Shipping not included.
  • 2 0
 @mikekazimer: thanks man kashima Coated and olive green lower please
  • 3 0
 @jimoxbox: it's more of a lighter color of green.

www.pinkbike.com/photo/18484632
  • 2 0
 Damn, I was really hoping for a coil sprung 38! Still really fucking RAD
  • 2 0
 I'd imagine a Marz 38 coil soon.
  • 2 1
 @iljahsimpkin its the next best thing to a pair of 40z and its on a raaw maddonna i want he frgging bike
  • 2 1
 Porno music from 0:04 to 0:10... while a pumping fork...yeah nothing subliminal here
  • 2 0
 I Hope RAAW can handle all the incoming orders Big Grin
  • 2 0
 When do we get the review of the Madonna??
  • 2 0
 Finally a decent fork to put on my new DC rig
  • 1 0
 How many generations are we in, and fox have just come up with a way to have the fork legs aligned properly?
  • 2 1
 When a 36 isn't overkill enough, you can now get SUPER overkill. but.. seriously, this probably great for bigger riders.
  • 1 0
 They're trying to go gapless:

100 32 SC (90?)
120 34 SC (110)
140 34 (130, 150)
160 36 (150)
180 38 (170, 160)
200 40 (190)

The 34 is overloaded upwards, I bet they remove the 34 150 soon. And the 38 has two steps down, odd.
  • 1 0
 @just6979: Interesting they are not doing a 170mm 36, I can imagine not everyone wants/needs the 38 for their 170mm bike.
  • 1 0
 @zyoungson: I'll bet the 150 34 and the 160 38 go away soonish. New 36 is a bit lighter, definitely a good fit for a 150, where even the 34 is relatively noodly at that length for not much weight difference. And 38 at 160 is a bit overkill.

Main reason to not do the 36 at 170 (and another reason to get rid of the 34 at 150) is that they don't need extra stanchion length to support potential lengthening of travel. If 160 is the max, then the stanchions are only long enough to handle that, saving weight.

Their current line cover 100-200mm in 10mm increments, with just a couple overlaps. Potentially more overlaps if you mess with air shafts for travel adjustment downwards, but that's different and usually sub-optimal: too much unused stanchion in the leg, and probably extra stiffness that is overkill for a shorter travel.

The odd centimeters (11, 13, 15, 17, 19) travel lengths only now only carry a maximum of 1 cm extra stanchion length. Exception with the 34 at 130 carrying 2 cm extra to allow the 150, but I think that (34 150) is going away, and the 38 160, which could probably be a 36 for most people.
  • 1 1
 Is Levi's mini up and running? Think the huck to flat comparison test is in order for the slow-mo flex show! Oh and with the green fork to match the mini of course.
  • 1 0
 Any word on an actual release/ship date for us normal people? This 225lb rider wants to know.
  • 1 0
 Already released for purchase on some websites (WorldWideCyclery).
  • 1 0
 @KJP1230: as a “special order” item with no ETA.
  • 2 0
 Why NO picture of the oval tube for stiffness?
  • 1 0
 Beautiful fork, I'm sure Rock Shox has something in the works! But wow, that fork is HEAVY.
  • 1 0
 @mikekazimer any chance I’ll see you on galby and get to take a peek from a safe distance?
  • 1 0
 Am I the only one whose OCD is going nuts cuz the front wheel isn’t centered?
  • 4 1
 15mm axle!!! I HATE IT
  • 1 1
 I dont even know why big forks like this use 15mm it looks like a toothpick..
  • 2 0
 WTF is "Pond Beaver 2020"?
  • 1 2
 Like Sea Otter but shittier
  • 2 0
 Dear Pinkbike, Please review the DVO Onyx SC. Sincerely, An Evil Owner
  • 2 0
 Mc Donald's called. They want their arch back
  • 3 1
 But will it fit my Gazzaloddi?
  • 1 0
 Do all the 38's offset your wheel towards the non drive side? Whats the benefit? LOL
  • 1 0
 Can we all agree that the lyrik ultimate is the best fork made? Pls and thanks x
  • 3 1
 Finally!
  • 1 0
 37mm offset, so close, so close
  • 14 17
 Eliptical steerer... Oh God... why won't you make 2" lower race already and one piece steerer/crown like Öhlins? Wouldn't be such an irritating new standard since 56mm bottom cups would take 2" steerer with outside bearing. And 56 is a very common lower cup. Adaptation of old frame to new would require a new lower headset cup. That's it.
  • 3 0
 Just make it even bigger and have some space for reach adjust and a spare rim in your oneup tool. Second is joke but first is legit
  • 4 1
 Ohlins stopped making that one piece crown-steerer. So it's not a good thing to copy.
  • 1 0
 X-fusion also had (has?) a unicrown in their lineup. Its a thing of beauty to see.
  • 3 6
 @Dougal-SC: but a loose steerer is? Wanna bet they did it to lower costs?
  • 1 0
 most carbon frames use less than 56mm
  • 2 2
 Would be great if you guys mention how hard/easy is to do a full service by yourself.
  • 1 0
 Same as it always been
  • 2 2
 what s that RAW aluminium frame???? Is it that a Banshee???? Never saw that frame before…. Does anyone know please?
  • 4 0
 Raaw Madonna v2
  • 2 0
 Raaw Modonna
  • 4 0
 It's a RAAW Madonna V2
  • 1 0
 It's the Madonna model,from Raaw.
  • 2 0
 Interesting the Jordi Cortez is on one of these V2 Madonnas in his "Dialed" series. Given that he's in SC/Ibis/Spesh's backyard and can (likely) get deals on what he wants, interesting that he would be on a Raaw.
  • 1 0
 I'm just excited for new bike part news Big Grin .
  • 1 0
 We needed a stiffest 36...
  • 2 1
 What has Fox been Totem? Damn spell check...token...
  • 1 0
 Glad to see air bleeds, like my 2014 xfusion metric had.
  • 1 0
 I like the bleed valves and the lubrication ridges.
  • 1 1
 Nice looking fork. But those air bleed ports on the back... how are they going hold up in mud?
  • 4 3
 36s = You
38s = The guy your girlfriend tell you not to worry about!
  • 1 1
 I can't stop seeing the Rounded Arch! just not sure about that design aspect
  • 1 0
 Full review... in the future.
  • 1 0
 senza una donna, no more pain and no sorrow
  • 1 0
 The modern day totem, this thing looks sick!
  • 1 0
 Yeti: "Pistachio?!?! I thought you said lime!"
  • 1 0
 BOUT DAMN TIME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  • 1 0
 @fox will we see a coil option?
  • 1 0
 Almost 450€ between US and Europe. WTF!!!!
  • 2 0
 US prices don't include sales tax.. that's added at checkout..
  • 1 0
 @ad15: ah ok thanks.
  • 1 0
 How does it compare to the manitou mezzer
  • 1 0
 2350 VS 2000 grams, maybe same stiffness, semi open cartridge vs fully sealed, 2X times expensive
  • 1 0
 Variable Valve Control sounds a lot like VTEC for your fork.
  • 1 0
 I would like to see the axle and the valve in function during the video.
  • 1 1
 I'd buy these in a 20mm axle, 26" wheel version. I guess Fox doesn't want my money.
  • 1 0
 Can’t wait for the marzocchi version
  • 1 2
 Nobody: Why don't you make the 36 stiffer and make 36 the top number and make that a little stiffer?
...*silence*...
Fox: These go up to 38.
  • 1 1
 So is it running the guts of the 36 with thicker stanchions, like the e version 36 running 34 guts?
  • 1 0
 On enduro mtb it says it's running a 34 air piston inside a sleeve or cartridge type thing so it's 36 and 34 guts
  • 1 0
 So does it fit a 29x3.0 minion???
  • 1 0
 I wont one of this 170 mm.
  • 1 0
 Looks like a really well thought out set of improvements.
  • 2 0
 Fotem
  • 1 1
 Cool wonder how many days it takes for the CSU to start cracking on this bad lary ???
  • 1 0
 So we got a new marzocchi 66
  • 1 0
 Fox 36 owner's faces. :angry:
  • 1 1
 Do these new arches offer more tire clearance?

Been sticking with Lyrik/Yari...I can easily run 29 x 3.0 with a fender.
  • 1 0
 Another fork size to take away our money!
  • 1 1
 not diggin the color choices, surprised they don't offer a simple black with old school stickers
  • 1 1
 I can't wait to shred on this ????
  • 5 0
 You sure?
  • 1 0
 Oh wow.....
  • 1 0
 Bartlett first ride next
  • 1 0
 But what did it say?
  • 1 1
 Put one on the Donut......and bring us the Donut review!!!
  • 1 0
 Field trip... tomorrow??
  • 2 0
 Yes.
  • 1 0
 Good job Kaz!
  • 1 0
 Is that a 36? Ew.
  • 1 0
 Prefer my 55RC3 Ti
  • 1 0
 I want one
  • 1 0
 tht fork is the dream
  • 1 0
 SLOW MO HUCK 2 FLAT!!!
  • 1 0
 Offset AF
  • 2 1
 Ugly AF...
  • 1 1
 Looks like a Totem
  • 3 6
 FUCKKK YEAAAH
  • 4 0
 Hell Yeah!!
  • 1 2
 Floating Axle : a way to make up for the dreadful inability of hub manufacturers to make a hub to simple, easily obtainable Widths, that are well documented, with just a bare modicum of quality control.

It's sad reflection on the Pathetic manufacturing efforts in the endlessly hyped / BS filled MTB Industry. Back off on the hype and BS, and just make things properly/ accurately.

The 20mm axle : It's all we ever bloody well needed, but no, Fox had to do the 15.
  • 1 1
 @Bearorso: thanks for posting that twice. It was so good to the first time, I just had to come back for seconds
  • 2 5
 Full review tomorrow
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