First Ride: Orbea's Rise is a New Breed of eMTB

Oct 22, 2020
by Ralf Hauser  


Orbea has been working on this project for many years, so the launch of the new Rise is a big deal for them. The Rise is one of the first in a new breed of e-bikes that use a somewhat regular motor in a much lighter package, with a possible lowest total bike weight of only about 16.2kg / 35.64lbs. With 140mm of rear wheel travel and 29 inch wheels front and rear, the Rise caters to trail bike enthusiasts that are looking for some extra boost.

Utilizing a Shimano EP8 motor with a proprietary software setup that was developed closely with Orbea according to their specifications, the motor delivers 60Nm of maximum torque.

The Rise brings to mind Orbea's regular Occam trail bike, and the similarities are not a coincidence. Because of that likeness, I can't help myself but make some comparisons - mostly because you don't often get the chance to compare a regular bike to an e-bike directly.


Orbea Rise Details
• Intended use: trail
• Wheel size: 29"
• Rear wheel travel: 140mm
• OMR carbon frame
• 66°/65.5° head angle
• 77°/76.5° seat angle
• 445mm chainstays
• Frame weight (w/o shock, motor): 2,300g
• 12 x 148mm rear spacing
• Sizes: S-XL
• Price: €5,999 (US $6,599) - €9,899 (US $10,499)
• Colors: Ice Green Ocean, Sap White/Green Fog, Coal Blue/Red Gold, MyO custom
www.orbea.com


Frame Details

The Rise's frame is constructed using their high-class OMR (Orbea Monocoque Race) carbon process, blending high modulus fibers and high strength fibers for an optimized strength-to-weight ratio. Pre-preg carbon sheets are laser cut to minimize excess materials and overlap while hours of pre-molding ensure optimal compaction. In the end, the frame tips the scale at only 2,300 grams without shock and motor, according to Orbea. That's low for any frame and incredibly low for an e-bike.

Compared to the Occam, the Rise does not need the extra asymmetrical strut connecting the down tube towards the shock link, as the frame is stronger overall in that area.

Internal cable routing enters the head tube, with the brake and shift cable locked into place by an insert and the dropper cable and wire from the e-bike remote routed through an opening on the other side. Towards the rear, cables are routed over the motor into the chainstays inside protective covers.

No more extra strut at the linkage connection.
Plenty of tire clearance.

Concentric Boost 2 rear axle system.
PM180 standard.

The dropouts feature Orbea's 148 mm-spaced Concentric Boost 2 rear axle system. Thia design, with the pivot around the rear axle, allowed Orbea to save some weight while also adding stiffness. It's easy to swap the derailleur hanger by hand on the trail, assuming you're carrying a spare.

A chainstay protector with raised ribs is keeping the noise from chain-slap down. PM180 rear brake mounts, and durable Enduro MAX Black Oxide bearings are parts of the feature list.

There's also plenty of room for a water bottle cage, which is important, as it doubles as a holder for a range extender battery in the shape of a water bottle.


Internal cable routing.

A custom chainstay protector keeps the noise from chain slap down.
Nice touch: matching fork labels.

Custom aluminum 32-tooth E*thirteen chainring.
An available custom cage is not only useful for holding a water bottle but doubling as a holder for a range extender battery.


Geometry

The Rise is available in four sizes from S to XL and its geometry specs are basically a carbon-copy of their regular Occam trail bike.

The reach is modern but still moderate by today's standard, at 425mm for size S, 450mm for M, 474mm for L, and 500mm for XL. The head angle measures 66 degrees with a 140mm travel Fox 34 fork, with the effective seat angle measuring 77 degrees. An optional 150mm travel Fox 36 fork can be spec'd, which slackens the angles by 0.5 degrees and raises the bottom bracket a notch.

The only difference to the Occam appears to be the length of the chainstays, which are 5mm longer, at 445mm.



Suspension Design

The Rise's leverage curve is progressive, even a bit more than that of the Occam, especially towards the end, starting out at about 2.9 : 1 going down to 2.275 : 1 in almost a straight line. The leverage ratio and average leverage ratio is a tad lower compared to the Occam, as the Rise is using a 210 x 55mm stroke shock (Occam 210 x 50mm), bringing it to a low 2.55 : 1.

Orbea is equipping the Rise with either a Fox DPS or DPX2 air shock with reservoir depending on the spec package or your choice in the MyO program. Orbea ships a 0.2 and 0.4 inch volume spacer with the bike, giving you the possibility to change the progression of the shock slightly (even bigger spacers are available aftermarket).




Motor Details

Shimano's EP8-RS is a regular EP8 with a custom profile, featuring a powerband developed together with Orbea that is unique to their needs. The motor is limited to a maximum torque of 60Nm (not changeable), and weighs in at 2.6kg.

Shimano EP8-RS motor with 2.6kg weight.
A plastic cover protects the underside of the motor.

Shimano's E-Tube Junction gives simplistic ride mode info and can communicate with Garmin computers.
Shift through modes with an E7000 remote button switch.

Part of the system is a custom battery sourced by Orbea with 360Wh, with the option of fitting a patent pending range extender with 252Wh (an extra 70% of range) into the water bottle cage, which gives you a combined capacity of 612Wh. When adding the range extender, that extra battery is drained first completely before using charge from the main battery. The batteries use 21700 cells, which are also used by Tesla and allow for a higher capacity within the same form factor of lower rated cells.

The 360Wh battery is said to weigh 2.2kg, and the 252Wh range extender 1.4kg.


360Wh main internal battery.
252Wh range extender.

Orbea says that because of the lighter bike and lower power consumption the range over a battery inside a regular e-bike extends by a factor of 1.5. Thus, the Rise's 360Wh RS battery is said to deliver ride times (three to four hours) and ranges similar to a 540Wh battery in a typical e-bike. Adding the RS Range Extender is supposed to deliver ride times comparable to a 900Wh battery on a regular e-bike. Riding in the bike's lowest Eco mode suggests a total possible altitude of 4,000 meters (about 13,000 feet).



On the lower side of the seat tube a charging port is integrated into the frame, which also acts as the connector for your range extender. The main battery is fully integrated into the down tube and can't be removed. A neat on/off switch sits on the front of the lower seat tube.

In an effort to reduce clutter from the cockpit as much as possible, the RS interface makes do without a display. Only a small inline Shimano E-Tube Junction (EW-EN100) box at the bike's front cable routing with a single cable connecting Shimano's E7000 button remote on the handlebar can communicate with third-party displays like Garmin's computers or watches via LEV. Two tiny LEDs on the box provide ride mode info. One shines green when the bike is turned on, the other is changes color for the ride mode you're in (blue for Eco, green for Trail and yellow for Boost).

If you really can't live without, you can connect a Shimano SC-EM800 display to your bike and remove the E-Tube Junction. It's available during setup from the MyO program, or, if you decide later to upgrade, from your Shimano dealer.

A charging port also acts as the connection to the range extender battery.

On/off switch inside the main triangle.


The powerband of the RS tune is smooth and responsive, especially in the beginning, mainly basing its calculations on rider input and cadence. The big power delivery happens between a cadence of 75 to 95 RPMs, a value where riders usually generate the most power and efficiency. Also, the harder you pedal, the more assist the system will provide. Orbea tells us that this is another factor that sounds simple but is hard to achieve.


The Rise comes with two preset profiles. Profile 1 delivers a subtler support, maximizing range and natural riding experience. Profile 2 delivers more assistance on the climbs within the RS power parameters. The moment the bike is launched, communication with Shimano's E-Tube Project app should also be available to further customize ride modes in both profiles. Maximum torque can be set between 20 to 60Nm, assist character in ten steps and assist start in five.

As mentioned, Orbea will also have a RS Garmin IQ software feature available that you can download onto your Garmin device for detailed information about the e-bike system, including battery level in percent. It even gives you battery state and assist mode info in accordance with your GPS tracking after your ride. This tool will only work with Orbea Rise bikes.

The RS motor, battery and electronics are lighter than other e-bike systems by over half. Their combined electronics only weigh about 200 to 300 grams more than Fazua's system, with a bigger main battery.

Use Garmin computers ...
... or watches with the RS system.


Lots of extra info with Orbea's custom Garmin IQ app.
Custom motor tuning via Shimano's E-Tube Project app.

Specifications

Orbea's MyO program is an individualist's dream. Next to three stock color schemes (Ice Green Ocean, Sap White/Green Fog, Coal Blue/Red Gold) you can customize your frame with plenty of primary and secondary colors as well as sticker colors.

You can find a few custom parts on the Rise that at least for now are exclusive to Orbea. E*thirteen made a custom aluminum 32-tooth chainring made out of an exclusive alloy (there is no 32-tooth option available from Shimano) and Maxxis created 2.4" wide Rekon tires with MaxxTerra compound and Exo+ casing.

Component-wise, you start out with four differently priced build kits (M20, M10, M-Team, M-LTD) and have the option of customizing a lot of the individual components from a list of alternative choices. For 2021, the Rise comes with Shimano brakes with Galfer rotors. Size S features a 125mm dropper post, M and L come with 150mm and XL with 170mm drop (M-LTD only uses 125mm dropper posts).

Prices start at €5,999 (US $6,599) and go all the way up to €9,899 (US $10,499). The Rise will be available in Europe and North America from November 2020 onwards.






I was lucky enough to spend a decent amount of time on Orbea's Occam, and although I usually feel more home on bikes with more travel, I couldn't stop praising the trail bike's ride quality. Looking at and jumping on the Rise feels incredibly familiar, which isn't surprising considering it has almost the same geometry and suspension layout.

This similarity is one of the Rise's biggest advantages, and it immediately translates into the feeling that you're almost riding a regular bike. The Rise isn't the first eMTB to try and bring the weight down by using smaller motors and/or smaller batteries, but their approach with an altered full-size motor that can still provide plenty of torque is one of the better solutions out there.

The moment you start pedaling, it doesn't feel like a huge compromise that Shimano's EP8-RS motor only comes with a maximum torque of 60Nm. Most of the time you are moving the bike within a range that isn't using its maximum power anyway. The bike also doesn't feel under-powered with Orbea's custom algorithm, which builds most of its power at a later point of cadence compared to an EP8's regular setup.


In some regards, people might even have an easier time handling the Rise in technical uphill sections. Due to its lower overall weight, it's easier to finesse over roots and rocks, and together with that gradual power buildup the bike is easy to control. Even when climbing over wet roots in the rain the bike didn't spin out, and still had enough push to make its way up the hill without stalling out. I've also never ridden an e-bike before where it was so easy to side lift the rear wheel or work on your trial skills in slow uphill sections.

Having said that, with Orbea's setup the bike takes longer to get up to speed when starting in a higher gear. In case of an incline, that effect becomes even more noticeable, so you have to pay more attention to gear choice, just as you would with your regular bike. Comparing a regular e-MTB next to the Rise, the more powerful setup of course offers a bit more punch, and trying to keep up with it on the uphills with the Rise requires more effort on your end, but the difference isn't dramatic. I can see both concepts getting along rather well on rides together.

You can talk about the bike's uphill qualities all day long, but it's the downhill where the lower weight really comes into play. My medium-sized M-Team spec with more downhill-capable tires came to a weight of 17.9kg (39.5 lb) without pedals. You don't even give much or any thought to the fact that you're sitting on an e-bike - the Rise is that responsive, playful and easy to handle. Thinking that you could shave another 1.7kg off with a top spec is unreal, although those components would not necessarily emphasize the bike's downhill capabilities. Nevertheless, the Rise more or less allows you to ride the way you'd be used to from your regular trail bike. Front wheel lifts, quick balance shifts and even bunny hops come rather natural.



Just like the Occam, the Rise is a capable, balanced and fun trail machine that carries speed competently and doesn't shy away from more challenging enduro trails. I assume that when things get really rough and fast at the same time that the 140 mm of travel will limit the rider in some regards, but with my setup with capable tires, a larger volume spacer in the rear shock and longer 150mm travel 36 fork up front the bike felt composed when pushing it in wet conditions. All said and done, I'd love to see Orbea's RS concept in a version of the Rallon with more travel and more aggressive geometry.

One of the few compromises of the RS concept is that it doesn't allow you to remove the battery, so in if you don't have a charging port near where you store your bike or don't have that option on the road, it might be a pain to fill up your battery. Also, even though it was less noisy and therefore less annoying than on the two test bikes I've ridden with regular EP8 motors before, I still noticed the mechanical rattling from the motor.



In terms of the RS system's reach, it seemed like even riding predominantly in Boost and Trail mode battery drain wouldn't be dramatically far off from a regular Shimano setup with a 630Wh battery, or something in between a 504Wh and 630Wh battery, so Orbea's prediction might hold true. That's considering my low weight of 55kg; not knowing how the RS concept reacts to higher rider weights and if it also only devours about 15% more energy for a 75kg rider, as I've found out with the regular EP8 setup. It would be interesting to see how the Orbea-sourced battery with 21700 cells handles its charge until fully drained.

As for riding in Eco mode, I can't say a whole lot about it, other than I had to work a lot more to keep the bike's speed up. Since I usually don't ride that mode often and didn't have much riding time available, I didn't spend more than just a few minutes riding it. I can totally see people even enjoying this ride mode, though. A little bit of help to spend a day with 4000 meters of altitude gain does sound like an epic adventure.

Since the app integration of the RS wasn't available in Shimano's E-Tube Project app, we had to mount the extra Shimano display to try out the more powerful setup of profile 2's settings. The difference in power output isn't dramatic, but enjoying the extra bit of push and when most of the time not looking to finish a ride with those 4000 meters in altitude, it would probably be the setting I'd predominantly use. Again, it would be interesting to see how those two profiles compare to each other in terms of reach.

After such a short amount on the bike I don't want to come up with a final verdict, but I will say I really like the new breed of lighter e-bikes with capable range and power. Orbea's approach seems solid, and while the concept doesn't claim to replace all regular e-bikes (and I still also like very much what those have to offer), I have a feeling that there are a whole lot of people out there that are looking for exactly the ride experience that the Rise can offer.




182 Comments

  • 171 7
 "...feeling like you're almost riding a normal bike."

The highest praise an e-bike can receive.
  • 10 39
flag Ooofff (Oct 22, 2020 at 7:32) (Below Threshold)
 No that completely defeats the point of the motor and power up hill if it rises like an ebike
  • 6 16
flag Dangerhill (Oct 22, 2020 at 7:34) (Below Threshold)
 Yep came to say the exact same thing.
  • 5 16
flag Ooofff (Oct 22, 2020 at 8:14) (Below Threshold)
 Wait... I meant rides like a normal bike
  • 1 0
 I agree looks like a great bike but their Canadian pricing is a ripoff. I wrote a detailed article further down on the comments to point this out. Comparing the Rise M-Team EMTB, their USD pricing is quite reasonable at $9,499 but Canadian pricing is $14,999. Orbea's CAD pricing is $2,500 more than the current exchange rate? WTF, how can they warrant charging an extra $2,500 more per bike than the exchange rate. I've checked many other bike manufacturers and they do not do this.

Come on Orbea, it looks like you have a good bike there and I along with many other Canadians would like to support you, but seriously why piss off so many Canadians with your huge inflated CAD pricing. Hopefully they sort this out ASAP or their sales with surely plummet in Canada.
  • 1 0
 Not only is your CAD price completely out of line compared to your USD pricing, but $15,000 for the M-team and not even carbon wheels? Again, good looking bike but this needs to be fixed...
  • 111 29
 I've been fortunate enough to ride the Levo SL in every model. (The S-Works is so rad). These bikes really are damn fun. Heavy e-bikes aren't that great, but these light ones are a hoot.
  • 41 21
 it seems the whole of internet is infested with trolls, why would anyone neg prop this?
  • 25 5
 I felt exactly the same. After riding a bunch of "regular" ebikes, I was disgusted. They climb well, I'll give them that. But on regular enduro trails (unless there was a lot of pedaling involved) there was no way I would ever be as fast as I am on my regular bike. On the plus side, I could easily do twice as many runs, but never at the same pace. When I tried the Levo SL, I was blown away. Uphill, they're not as fast as a regular "heavy weight" ebike, but who cares? The performance jump while going down the trails was incredible! They feel like an heavier trail bike, not like an heavy, early 2000s, downhill bike. Loads of traction due to the weight, amazing center of gravity and almost as vivid as a regular trail bike. Right know, I'm sticking to the leg assisted climbing bikes, but as soon as these light ebikes start poping up around the 15kg mark, you bet I won't ever go back to the regular bikes.
  • 49 50
 "......are a hoot."

Well, I guess that tells us the age group associated with loving eBikes.
  • 10 6
 @baca262: why would anyone care about the pos/neg props?
  • 25 1
 @zsandstrom: I'm 21... (and disclaimer I work at a shop and am not trying to sell stuff. I genuinely enjoy them)
  • 15 4
 @zsandstrom: 51 here. I've been riding bikes since 1989.

Love my SL, the Orbea has more battery capacity, but my SL weighs 38.9 # / 17.64 kg with XT trail pedals, 2.6 Butcher Trail Grid/ 2.3 Eliminator Grid, carbon skid plate, and a Pike Ultimate.

Looks like a sweet E-bike, and glad that there's more competition coming out - drives innovation.
  • 2 1
 @onemind123: here, a devil's advocate troll. gets pos props. :smh: and it's both teamwork and gullibility of the mass
  • 4 0
 @zsandstrom: as soon as they get to 16 kgs with a 1000 Wh battery, I'll have one. All the advantages of going over the mountains, none of the disadvantages.
  • 16 2
 I ride a heavy ass kenevo and it's fun as hell. It just turns into your regular bike if it's all you have, and you go just as fast and big on it on the dh once you get used to it. Granted you can't flick it around as much off jumps but you can send away anything an analog would. Hop back on a regular bike after that and it feels sketchy as a feather and you have to go slower until you get used to the light bike bouncing off of everything again.

I guess what I'm saying is, any capable bike- and a 50+ lb kenevo is definitely that- just becomes "your bike" and you end up shredding as you would any other bike. So if you're disgusted by the weight, you either rode a sh*tty bike, or didn't give it long enough to get dialed.
  • 5 7
 @ranke: sorry, no kenevo for me. I like riding bikes on the trail.
  • 1 1
 @sadfusde: this is exactly how i had hoped the Levo SL would ride like. I have the same sentiments about regular eMTBs well over the 20kg mark
  • 2 0
 @sadfusde: alongside zero pedal drag, so you can pedal into jumps like a normal bike which require you to be going over 15mph to clear the jump... the wait continues
  • 6 1
 @eugenux: yeah me too. On both my bikes- a kenevo and my revel rail that I already got 7k ft on this week. Go cry about bicycle definitions somewhere else. The rest of us will keep having fun.
  • 2 7
flag eugenux (Oct 28, 2020 at 9:34) (Below Threshold)
 @ranke: sorry mate, you only have 1 bike. That kenevo is a bike in the same way a woman's vibrator is a real pick(with a D instead of a P)
  • 1 2
 @eugenux: good one.
  • 1 1
 @ranke: well, not quite the best possible one as, I'll use an electric with no problems. Probably I'll get one in the next two years.
No, the issue is the weight; 24-26-28 kgs electrics do not behave like bikes; I know, I tried them. This new breed of less than 16-17-18 kgs electrics...well...my nuke reactor with DDs and enduro wheels is 15.5 kgs. My old enduro bike was 16 2 kgs. Both of them were/are bikes.
A 28 kgs electric tank isn't a bike, sorry! Wink
  • 2 0
 @zsandstrom: You didn't do well in stats did you! ;-) It may possibly give you an idea of the age of this particular rider but no more. Where I ride there are riders of all ages using them and we are way past people getting upset for no good reason about that. But even if older riders ride eBikes more, so what? Isn't it great if riders who may struggle to keep up with their mates due to the physical decline due to older age (which we all experience eventually if we are lucky enough to live long enough) or due to injury, can keep on enjoying mtbing?
  • 1 0
 @lindsaywootten: very well said - if it gets more people out riding it can only be a good thing. My wife is "only" 41, she hates hills so we are going to get her an e-bike next year and she can then properly enjoy the whole experience, and after that im planning on getting a Rise and giving my Occam to my son, and I cant wait! im 47 but who the hell cares, ive still got my Trek hardtail as well if I want to have a different experience. I was at our local trails yesterday and soo many people on e-bikes from children upwards, it was great to see so many out.
  • 1 0
 @Dales1973: more ppl on the same trails is not a good thing, especially since most of all of those "more ppl" are inexperienced; you all know it, but neither of can muster the guts to say it out loud.
  • 72 3
 It's not ugly as sin or heavy as f*ck. Smaller battery so more bicycle and less motorcycle. I like it.
  • 45 1
 They'll basically be normal bikes in 5 years when I'm almost ready to buy one.
  • 48 0
 Does Orbea even make ugly bikes anymore? A few years ago death, taxes, and Orbea releasing hideous bikes that instantly hit the "Clearance" section of online retailers' sites were the only things guaranteed in life. Now every bike Orbea releases, including e-bikes which are typically hideous abominations of cross breeding bicycles and electric scooters, has class leading looks. The paint schemes are good looking without having to go to the custom paint options. Bravo to Orbea.
  • 1 9
flag Kyleponga (Oct 22, 2020 at 14:37) (Below Threshold)
 They started pulling design cues from Specialized. This looks exactly like the old Stumpy
  • 46 8
 So it begins. E-bikes that are essentially indistinguishable from regular bikes. Curious how this might affect e-bike and regular bike land access. One would think they'll be lumped together because someone who isn't a bike nerd won't be able to tell the difference...
  • 13 3
 bunny hopable e bike. that's an interesting idea
  • 14 7
 @bonkmasterflex: Seems a little paranoid. Even if they look similar e bikes are visibly faster, audibly louder, and anybody writing a ticket for access violations will likely be educated about them. Plus I've noticed that mountain bikers who are e bike haters are pretty good about calling them out if they aren't allowed in particular areas.

What's more likely is that class 1 e bikes will be allowed everywhere mountain bikes are, like with the recent BLM decision. I think it's primarily justified because they make trail work so much easier in the backcountry, instead of hiking in chainsaws. USFS is doing a survey, voice your opinion.

cara.ecosystem-management.org/Public/CommentInput?project=ORMS-2619&fbclid=IwAR1bNEmmCjOvlFZRm1wQaZcKgGW0EU4snrImRCHPRpZbLQ_wmnRcblcgFjI
  • 12 12
 @DoubleCrownAddict: I sure hope you are wrong on that. Would love to see the STC find success and get the blanket wilderness ban lifted. Melding of ebikes with pedal bikes would be the death of that goal.
  • 7 4
 I'm curious if we'll see a change in the classifications of ebikes to reflect this new class with smaller motors. Right now, most trail users associate ebikes with someone blasting up a two way trail at 20mph in shuttle mode. Bikes that can't do that might be welcome more places.
  • 20 25
flag Monsterman156 (Oct 22, 2020 at 9:01) (Below Threshold)
 In the united states ebikes are becoming legal. In September there was an executive order for the Department of Agriculture to allow ebikes on trails regular bikes are allowed on. Sad news. In Utah people are already poaching trails everywhere. Talk about slow newbs in way over their head. Almost creamed a newb girl on a DH only trail yesterday - without an ebike she would not have been on that trail. MTB is changing forever. It is going to suck. I see so many fat old ladies and fat old men smoking cigs and drinking beer clogging up the trails on ebikes. Its going to suck. And wait until Park City tourism loads the trails with ebike rentals. Going to be over crowded with newbs
  • 25 20
 In the future, you'll still be able to tell e-bikes from regular bikes by looking at the riders. Fat guys or senior citizens going fast, dead giveaway.
  • 5 4
 @Monsterman156: The Dep of Ag can only order access on Federal land. Fortunately on the East Cost, some of the best riding is on state or local land, where e-bikes can absolutely still be banned.
  • 11 20
flag Monsterman156 (Oct 22, 2020 at 9:41) (Below Threshold)
 Everyone downvoting my comment doesnt live in Utah so they dont give a shit that the tourism industry wants to turn summer time in Park City into a MTB ski season - crowds, crowds, crowds, on already crowded trails. Downvote me all you want, you dont live here.
  • 3 2
 Sad my comment is receiving downvotes. There are some really good trails out west in the Wilderness that would work well for bikes. It would also be awesome to be in a position to support new Wilderness areas.
  • 2 1
 @Monsterman156: Doesn’t Utah have tons of trails open to ebikes already? In Oregon there are tons of ebike options already.
  • 3 3
 @iantmcg: +1000. And I say that as someone involved in access discussions. Not sure why US ebikers struggle to understand this obvious point.
  • 4 3
 @Monsterman156: in my neck of the woods they're already tearing up the trails with "new lines" straight across switchback inclines that nobody could do on a normal bike. That's led to erosion and parts of single track getting washed out and rutted. I also almost killed a kid on one going up a downhill jump line.....
It's not ideal in my opinion, but this is the new normal. As long as there's money to be made selling these things then people will lobby for them. I reckon I'll be forced to buy one soon.
  • 10 6
 @tttyyler: have you ridden an eMTB? You for sure do not go 20mph up hill, if anything it doubles your normal speed if you use boost and most riders use trail which is much less assist than boost. If I go 5mph up a climb on an analog I go 8mph in Trail mode.
  • 17 4
 @DoubleCrownAddict: I don't know of a single major manufacturer that makes anything EXCEPT class 1 eMTBs. Industry is being really responsible imo. Paranoia is right. Show me one example of analog MTBs losing access because of eMTBs. People who call people out on the trail seem to forget that MTBs were ridden on many trails before they were allowed. Same DNA with eMTB riders, yet better because eMTBs blend much easier. (equestrians and hikers have no clue, MTB riders know. We're our own worst enemy.) Ironically, MTBs lost access at Kingdom trails because of analog MTB riders being dicks, which I see in the same vein as calling people out. We're on the same team here. We need unity.
  • 7 7
 @coletrane-mtb: it really seems to me like eMTB advocates are their own worst enemy. The all or nothing approach advocated above makes it so I can’t support eMTB. I am more than happy to support eMTB on a case by case basis and for removing blanket bans. But to support completely removing the distinction between eBikes and pedal bikes is something I can’t support. We should be working towards more access for both user groups not more access for eMTB at the expense of pedal riders.
  • 18 4
 @Monsterman156: I hate to break it to you cupcake but your ride is no more important than anyone else’s.
  • 3 3
 r/gatekeeping
  • 8 2
 @coletrane-mtb: I’m looking forward to doubling my speed up hills, I love a sociable ride but I reckon I’m genuinely riding at 50-60% of my riding buddies speed uphill and missing out on the chat. Levo SL in the new year for me (if they have any in stock then!)
  • 9 9
 @Monsterman156: it's not valid to have any other position than support for e-bikes, any legit concern you have will be overrun with profits and consumerism
  • 1 0
 Interesting to just look at the upvotes and downvotes on this thread. It's apparent that this is a very polarizing subject.
  • 4 2
 Emtb will be fully integrated situation normal in 5 or less years time. Try and ban emtb and your shooting your own access in the foot.
Its like the Salam witch trials here sometimes with emtb blamed for everything normally by closed minded folk who have never ridden one. For every neg ebike experience I have had, I could probably treble regular mtb neg experiences.
I remember back in the 90’s getting grief for making jumps. Mtb was for riding [xc] off road apparently and it was creating a bad rep for the sport.
  • 4 4
 @ilovedust: lol dude, the salem witch trials? The big areas of concern with e-mtbs are with regard to trail access, trail stewardship, wilderness access etc
  • 6 9
 @ilovedust: yeah I don’t think you bloody wankers have anything like Wilderness in the UK, or at least to the same extent we do in the Western US. The integrating of eMTB with pedal MTB would be a death sentence for a lot of potential access. They need to be looked at as separate modes of recreation for that purpose. The point I am trying to make is that we need to promote more access for all user groups but that is an unpopular opinion with a lot of eMTB advocates apparently that would rather have access for a few more trails even if that means pedal bikers lose access or fail to gain new access.
  • 7 3
 @iantmcg: I completely disagree with you and think the opposite is actually true. Emtb's are taking over the sport and are essentially going to be viewed as mountain bikes. They have essentially the same physical and social impact as regular mtbs. It will also be up to local land managers to make the final decisions. E bikes are already allowed on 60,000 miles of Forest Service trails with no problems. The Forest Service wants more people to recreate and appreciate the outdoors, e bikes are great for that. Have you done trail work with an emtb? It's no comparison, and a great reason why access should be opened up for emtb's.

It's sad to me that mountain bikers who are e bike haters are one of the biggest obstacles to e bike access. In 5 years they will be riding e bikes and feel stupid for opposing them. Also STC doesn't have a position on e bikes, they are open to them and hopefully realize the potential. Get an e bike and get on board.
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 @DoubleCrownAddict: I’m not sure what you disagree with me on. I already said I don’t hate or oppose eMTB access on a case by case basis. The only thing I oppose is grouping them together for access, they need to be looked at individually. Once the two are synonymous with one another then that is goodbye to any chance of Wilderness access. Plus I do think there are some more rustic non Wilderness areas that should remain pedal only if for no other reason than to minimize crowding and allow recreational opportunities for people that want to get a little further away from the crowds. Honestly I don’t think we are that far apart in what we want, maybe more so in how that is accomplished.
  • 7 2
 @Monsterman156:
How many people does it take to clog up 500 miles of singletrack.
Clearly you are upset. By all means have an opinion. However your Elite Mountain Biker privilege might need a second look.
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 @DoubleCrownAddict: your comment is exactly the problem I'm talking about. There's no willingness to discuss the issues, they are bulldozed over with the answer "just accept it man." The forest service doesn't even accept mountain bikes yet, let alone e-bikes, it creates an additional layer of misunderstanding where the situation was already a mess
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 @iantmcg: Fair enough but now that I've done trail maintenance with an e bike it seems ridiculous to do it with a regular bike. I think alot of what happens will depend in the behavior of e bikers. There is the possibility that things go great and they are welcomed into the wilderness because their impact is so similar to that of regular bikes. That's what I think mountain bikers should aim for. I think many in the Forest Service view mountain bikers as a trail maintenance asset that is under utilized. With Land management funds being cut it will be more and more on the backs of volunteers to maintain trails in the future. We need to step up and be ready for the challenge with our e bikes. Ultimately local land managers will dictate what happens but I think it makes total sense for them to have the option of allowing e bikes in the wilderness and the blanket wilderness rules need to be modified.
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 @DoubleCrownAddict: You are conflating wilderness with Wilderness. Please understand the difference, wilderness is a general terms, Wilderness is a specifically designated place by Congress and eMTB will never be allowed there. I don’t think you fully understand the point I am trying to make but I am not real good at explaining things so I guess we’ll have to leave this conversation as ending without resolution.
  • 3 0
 @iantmcg: it would be sick if pinkbike would have an article with the forest service explaining how this works, maybe we could have better discussions. I guess what we are talking about is US only, but still might be interesting for some others to read for comparison
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 @iantmcg: Playing Devli's Adovcate, why should you be allowed to ride a non e-mtb in a designated wilderness, but not an e-mtb? If I load up my non e-bike for a week long bike packing trip it will weigh more than most e-bikes, so my impact on the trails/terrain is the same if not worse than someone going for a long day ride on a sub-40lbs bike like the Rise?

If you're concern is about the creep from class 1 to class 2 to class 3 to un-restricted throttle only e bikes and people taking an all or nothing approach then that is valid, but address it through a universal licensing/registration/identification process where violators will face serious penalties.
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 @ChiefSilverback: I suppose it is just my personal preference. Of eMTB isn’t allowed that is less users and less miles traveled with a more solitary experience. But allowing motorized travel in Wilderness in my opinion goes against the spirit of the Wilderness Act, where as allowing human powered bicycle travel aligns with what the drafters of the bill intended.
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 >Curious how this might affect e-bike and regular bike land access.

It generally won't. Europe has embraced ebikes on most all public trail systems and nobody pays attention.

Although I can see a few jurisdictions in certain places in USA being more strict because the people making the laws are the exact type that should not be into politics.
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 @iantmcg: some of the stuff around hurricane/st george. almost none of the good stuff around moab. not sure about SLC/PC, bit too far of a drive for me.
  • 3 2
 @Monsterman156: That isn't everyone. I've been riding for 25 years, everything from flat trails to pro lines. I sometimes ride a Levo SL because I enjoy my downhill and despise the climbs. This past week I got ebike hate comments from four different riders, two of which I politely asked to pass on a downhill... They blamed me being faster on the ebike...on a downhill...
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 f*ck what is going on here... how is this bike lighter than my racing bike ...? scratching my head...

looks great, very interessting to be honest. It somehow made me want to ride...
Do I need to cancel my PB account now?
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 I’m totally with you about it. Damn...
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 @x-rider thats cause its got a ton of lightweight parts that wont hold up to hard use (exo'ish casings - who can run those in the rocks?)

And they cut the battery size down and change the power profiles to get more mileage w/ less power slightly less weight (which wont effect power)

I can appreciate the concept. Have an alloy levo sl w/ high end enduro parts and air shock, alloy wheels and dh casings and its 43.5.

Big deal here is motor drag when you pass the 20mph limit pedaling. The SL motor is so good I can ride it w/ power off for enduro trails w/ buddies and hardly notice. Ive ridden the SC heckler w/ prior shimano motor and once you pass the 20mph mark it feels like a parachute got deployed. Main reason I went away from it. M

The shimano motor has way more torque than the spesh though. So climbing woth the motor on even w/ reduced battery shimano will walk away from the SL (but then its not apples to apples - reg levo is strong AF and more comp to shimano)

IMO the light ebikes will take over the enduro segment. If they get just a little better, negligible motor drag, weigh almost the same and you can get in 2x the runs down your favorite lines in the same time It just makes sense
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 @Grosey: I have the SL (carbon) and upgraded similarly: Fork at 170mm, coil shock, tire inserts and am at about 40-41lbs when I last weighed it. With those changes - it's definitely the best descending bike I have owned or ridden (minus full DH bikes on DH terrain). Makes me think that Specialized will release a SL EVO at some point in the near future.

I tend to agree on the 20mph point. It's really not a noticeable "drag", and I tend to ride at 20mph+ on the roads to trailheads. That's a big deal. Curious how this Orbea handles past 20mph or with the motor off.
  • 1 1
 My enduro weighs about 34 lbs. I have no doubts about it suriving in landing to flat if I over shoot a jump. This thing, with the inertia of the battery and motor, I would not.
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 Now make the motor replaceable with a dummy motor/BB area so it can be a lightweight trail bike when needed with it and the battery out and then toss on the battery and motor back on for shuttle days and I'm sold.

I don't understand why that's not an option yet.
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 Agree.
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 It is available, take a look at the Fazua motor.
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 @inked-up-metalhead: not quite what I'm thinking but close, there would still be mechanical drag in that system around the BB. I'd want to remove all of it minus the wireing harness and computer bits that would be a pain to get out. and have a bolt on BB area replacement with a standard BB and cranks.
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 @TheBrosCloset: when it becomes wireless though, this should be a mist have function
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 @mate1998: wireless would be great, a Garmin edge style unit or watch you can use, track rides, use and recharge seperate from the bike itself. Hand down if I could have a slimmed down super aggro 150 trail bike that I could throw the e-bike parts on at the shuttle hill and ride normal anywhere else I'd be in. The vehicle maintenance cost alone would offset the cost of the bike and I wouldn't have to run two bikes.
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 >I don't understand why that's not an option yet.

It will be, in 5-10 years when the ebike market is saturated.

Right now, the goal is to get people to buy ebikes, then 2 years later, upgrade with a new one because theirs is obsolete.
  • 22 1
 So motor + battery weighing in at about 4kg.. I know that's not apples to apples, but that means a similarly clever thought out normal bike would weigh around 11.
Why again did people start to defend 15kg+ "trail bikes"? Even expensive high end ones at that
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 Very valid point indeed.
  • 22 0
 When eBikes get lighter than your clapped out enduro rig...
  • 14 1
 I've been waiting for a bike like this, really hoping it's the start of a trend. I don't need massive travel and a 50lb sled, I want a bit of help to extend my rides now that I have a kid and can't stay in the shape I was in before.... Especially since my favorite riding spots are a 4-5hr drive. Tough to ordinarily justify when I'm cooked after an hour.
  • 5 1
 Levo SL is worth a look.
  • 14 1
 Perfect. Soon I can be irate about everyone that's faster than me uphill because emtbs will look just like regular bikes. They're all obviously moto doping.
  • 16 2
 Came to comments to complain about the weight then realized that its a e-mtb, nice job orbea
  • 6 0
 Not having a way to tell battery charge is terrible. I think that the smartest solution to date is Specialized's minimalist LED's on the top tube. But needing Shimano's display or an external device seems like someone forgot about battery charge up to the last minute, on an otherwise incredible bike!
  • 1 1
 you probably can check it on your phone from the sofa
  • 8 1
 Love it! Love the smaller batteries and slimmer profile. More like these so people stop bitching in the comment section about what others choose to ride.. so monotonous..
  • 7 1
 I am starting to like this e-bike thing. Not planning to quit traditional cycling after decades of enjoying it, but thinking about an enduro e-bike instead a motorcycle to have some fun (midlife crisis caught me)
  • 3 0
 In having ridden regular mtbs, ebikes, custom built 1500w ebike, and dirt bikes ranging from 125cc to 450cc, there is very little overlap between motorcycles and ebikes in terms of enjoyment. The power to weight is just not there.

For reference:
Orbea Rise: 250 watts at 16.5 kg -> 15.15 w/kg
Stealth H-52 Bomber Ebike: 6200 watts at 120 kg -> 51.7 w/kg
TTR 125 : 5200 watts at 90 -> 57.7 w/kg
Ktm e freeride exc: 17900 watts at 92 kg -> 194 w/kg
YZ250 2 stroke: 34300 watts at 96 kg -> 357 w/kg

A dirt bike is 100% worth it, it will give you a different ride experience, whereas an EMTB is just easier mtb. I am personally looking at Zero bikes.
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 @phops: kranked. 3000watts. on a YT capra. now we have a comp?
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 @lardo: kranked is not real. Same thing with Tangent Acent, that was supposed to be able to handle 6000 watts - its not real. Just a bunch of sandbox projects that despite all the marketing you can't buy.

Even if that was highest mid drive watt/kg bike kit, you are probably looking at 32 kg total, which is around 90 w/kg.

Given a DH frame, you could build a 6000watt hub motor one at around 40kg, which will give you a dirt bike power to weight of 150 w/kg, but this is a very custom project. Hub motors and jumps don't allways get along, you will need to set up the shock differently, e.t.c.

Of course, the power to weight depends on the battery setup. You can run smaller packs that give you minmal range but light weight. But with a gas powered dirt bike you can just fill up and ride all day without worrying about refueling.
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 As I see it, Water bottle mount is a range extender in my unplugged bike too
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 That weighs less than my enduro bike, and I haven't got a coil shock or a bashgaurd yet ;(
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 The not-easily-removable battery is a deal breaker for people in mountain climates that don’t have a warm garage in which to safely charge the battery. And if you’re an RV/vanlifer with the bike on the rack, you can’t charge or top up the charge on your cold morning drive to the trailhead (available charge current is much higher than when relying totally on solar). Even on a 20 or 25 C afternoon it’s not unusual to be at 0 C in the morning.
  • 4 0
 Finally, more of these smaller RS motored bikes need to be in the marketplace. I’m waiting for a bike company to offer this EP8 RS motor in a 170/160mm 29er. Long reach, 78 degree SA and 63 HA. When that happens I will self shuttle all the trails. I don’t need a full powered big heavy E-bike but one with this amount of assistance and around 40ish pounds... All in.
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 This! As an ebike owner, the one reason I am considering selling the thing is weight. Whatever you say, most are still tanks with owners convincing themselves on the 'stability though inertia BS'. Levo SL and now this bike are showing us how bad most ebikes are. Good stuff Orbea!
  • 6 1
 If you can still find a way to hate on lightweight ebikes in this day and age then you are a bike BIGOT and please unfriend me. Wink
  • 4 1
 Personally I think these these lite weight eMTB are great for trail / XC riding (Weight weenies riders), but let's be real the weight of an eMTB is what makes it fun smashing thru the rock gardensSmile
The perfect weight for a eMTB Enduro would be around the 40lbs to 45lbs.
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 If it wasn't for the price tag on this, I'd pull the trigger and get one. e-Mtb's are starting to be really enticing! You know it's a matter of time before each of the motor manufacturers are gonna come out with a common mounting and battery adapter standard.
  • 4 0
 Looks good, no pregnant motor bulge, has decent range and most importantly doesn't weigh as much as a bag of bricks.
I don't want to cheat on my main ride but, damn, this is tempting Smile
  • 1 0
 Total agree. Just try lifting a 54lb e brick onto your roof rack. Heck you may ruin your rack to boot!
  • 4 1
 You have to be out of your mind to pick a levo SL over the Rise. More or less same weight, more power on Rise, lower price, infinite color customization. Also the SL motor power delivery sucks, feels really unnatural, don't really know about the Rise but looks like they tuned this really well. Btw who cares about the motor rattle on descending, if it doesn't mean its something broken...not a problem for me.
  • 3 0
 I'm SUPER impressed with what Orbea did. I like the idea of the Levo SL but the GEO number really puzzle me. This baby has the right angles and seat tube length. Finally!! Why present a modern bike with old GEO. Plus the pricing on the Specialized is a bit too high as well.
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 Really like the new breed of light eMTBs! Would have considered this bike. But the inability to remove the battery with ease is probably going to prevent me from buying one for now. I hope this internal non-trailside-removable battery doesn't become the new norm because it's a bullshit standard.
  • 1 0
 Having owned a Decoy, I rarely found myself removing the battery for charging, but your point is well taken. One thing that few mention is that a removable batter creates it's own issues. Stripped bolts, bike washes causing issues with battery seals and error codes, and strength of the frame itself. I like the option of the battery extender as well. Guess I'm sold and just leaving it.
Glad I sold my Decoy for top $ cause this Orbea is going to cost top $$.
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 "Utilizing a Shimano EP8 motor with a proprietary software setup"

And it begins... Is this bike UCI legal? Are racers going to get turned away from races because they have different software from everyone else? Can this bike only be serviced at an Orbea dealer, or can any Shimano service center deal with it?

BTW, how repairable are all these motor units? Is it just straight R&R if there is an issue? What happens to the removed items? Recycled? Refurbished? Thrown out? Batteries and motors are pretty significant things to just toss away and quite expensive to recycle properly.
  • 1 0
 My concern would be the article states that the onboard battery is integrated into the frame and is non removable. So when that battery packs it in you need a new frame?
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 @onemind123: just not easily removable. You can remove the battery for replacement, but it would require you to remove the motor first.
  • 5 1
 that's quite a lot of battery advantage for 5lb weight over a similar non e-bike
  • 2 0
 I think the main advantage is actually motor related. This bike runs at 60 nm, while other bikes with the EP8 runs at 85.
  • 5 1
 That looks pretty nice!

What if e-Bikes only worked (assisted you) when pointed uphill... ?
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 Some road ebikes are set up that way, to only assist when accelerating or going uphill.
  • 2 0
 You'd want it cutting in and out as you take on undulating singletrack? I sure wouldn't!

When pointed on any real downhill in my area, I'm not pedaling anyways so it won't assist.
  • 1 0
 Have you ridden an ebike on a trail?
  • 6 1
 Wheres the video PB.. Vital pushed one out... Just saying..
  • 4 0
 they are busy producing a reality show to generate legit content.
  • 3 0
 The non removeble battery is just no good.. especially when traveling..I have a converter attached right to my battery..just plug in while driving..always charged
  • 1 0
 look at Rottweild e x 375
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 Could you not wire this to connect to the bike whilst it's in the rack, just like you plug in a trailer when you're towing?
  • 3 0
 I have access to a Levo SL I have been able to ride a bit and I own an Occam. It is amazing how similar the bikes are when pointed downhill.
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 Please post the differences you notice in these two bikes, as far as handling, geometry etc. Is the Occam plush enough with small bump compliance?
  • 2 1
 Seeing the new light weight but super capable eMTBs, I'm super excited for where E bikes will be in 4 years. I've told myself that when I'm 40 I'll bite the bullet and get one. Looks like there will either be some great used options by then or else the new ones will be so good that it will be like riding a regular bike down, but get more laps in over a day without having to shuttle.
  • 4 0
 I have to admit this is the first time I am interested in an ebike. I'd like give it a try.
  • 2 0
 The moment you stop pedaling........ the motor sounds like rattling a tin can full of marbles. Shimano Corporate to all bike testers...."you can test the bike if you don't talk about the nasty sounding motor when coasting!!"
  • 1 0
 Love everything about this bike. EXCEPT - Standover height. As a lighter weight eBike, this will also be a better target for shorter and lighter female riders. With 29er being the norm, extra effort needs to be made to standover in the smaller sizes. The Standover difference between S-XL is only 66mm. While the recommend height range is a difference of 480mm. They need an XS and also reduce the standover for S and M sizes at least.
  • 2 1
 Did anyone check Canadian pricing on these Orbea's? What a joke buying bikes in this country is!!! Oh I forgot - have to protect those Canadian companies that are 5 years behind every other brand!!
  • 3 1
 I don't think that has anything to do with particular tariffs that the Canadian government has set up to protect Canadian bike companies... actually what am I doing replying to this level of unfettered ignorance.
  • 1 1
 I have. I think the pricing is just about better than any other similarly speced bike in Canada.
  • 1 0
 I agree. I own a EMTB myself and really like what Orbea have done and do not want to put down any bike company, but seriously Orbea's CAD pricing is an absolute ripoff. If you check most other bike manufacturers CAD prices compared to USD prices, the difference is the exchange rate due to our low dollar. However, Orbea seems to charge a huge amount more than the exchange rate. For example, their USD price for the RAIL M-TEAM is USD $9499 and their CAD price is $14,999. Using todays current exchange rate USD $9499 should equal approx $12,480 CAD. Looking at this, Orbea are trying to charge an extra $2,500 CAD more per bike that they should if you live in Canada. If Orbea sells 100 bikes to Canada, that is an extra $250,000 they make off us poor Canadians. How the hell can they warrant this price difference when other bike companies do not do this?

I've looked at many other bike manufacturers comparing their USD pricing compared to Canada pricing and the difference is only the exchange rate. Some bike companies CAD pricing is even less than the current exchange rate. For example, Giant's CAD pricing is quite good. If you look at the Giant Trance X Advanced Pro 29 0, their USD price is $8,600 and their CAD price is $9,799. Current exchange rate should equal CAD $11,290 but Giant are much under this, but Orbea seems to want to charge way over the exchange rate. Here's a link to Giant's USD & CAD pricing: www.giant-bicycles.com/us/trance-x-advanced-pro-29-0-2021 & www.giant-bicycles.com/ca/trance-x-advanced-pro-29-0-2021

It looks like Orbea have come out with a great EMTB and I would have been very interested, but after seeing their Canadian pricing, I cannot stand by and see them try and rip off my fellow Canadians. Trying to charge Canadians an extra $2,500 per bike more than other bike manufacturers is not acceptable and Canadian buyers PLEASE BEWARE! Hopefully Orbea will fix this huge error before they end up with no sales in Canada. I have already called them out on this and trust they will see the light and avoid pissing off a whole country...
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 Using the current USD to CAD exchange rate it is approx 1.31. Having to pay this extra amount everytime we buy something in Canada is not easy for most Canadians, let alone all the taxes on top off that. However Orbea is attempting to charge Canadians 1.58 (USD $9,499 compared to CAD $14,999) which is more than 1.5 times than their USD price for the Rise M-Team? For example, the Giant bike I mentioned earlier, the difference is only 1.14 (USD $8,600 compared to CAD $9,799).

Orbea's USD price is ok but seriously why try and overcharge Canadians so much more than the exchange rate other bike companies use for comparison. Hopefully Orbea wakes up and realizes Canadians will not put up with this. Canada is a huge MTB buyer, so Orbea's decision for this does not make sense? If Orbea does not fix the Canadian pricing, I and I'm sure others will wait, as I'm sure other bike companies are now working on their new lightweight EMTB's.

I expect the new lightweight EMTB's coming out in the next couple of years you will be able to at least bypass settings and use full power (85Nm) for a short period of time unlike Orbea who have limited the max power of their Shimano RS motor to 60Nm. I gather motors will become even smaller and lighter than the Shimano EP8 drive if less than standard 85Nm is needed. If only 60Nm is needed maybe Shimano will start making even a smaller/lighter motor to bring the weight down even more for EMTB's, especially if large bike companies ask for this. The future is exciting for sure. Ride on everyone...
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 @RowdyAirTime: I don't believe its just the bike companies putting their prices up, its the loops and hoops they have to jump through to bring in their bikes. Its the same thing if I buy a box of cookies at say a grocery store that's come from the UK originally, the price in the UK is under 1GBP but here its $5.99, like WTF!! I brought in a box of personal items when I moved here, no monetary value whatso ever other than personal value, Canadian customs charged me over $200 to get my stuff back!! Its Canada that's stopping companies doing well here because Canada cant compete with everyone else.
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 @RowdyAirTime: The big issue for Orbea is they do not have a Canadian distributer. Still though when I compare Orbea's Canadian pricing to other companies Orbea is more than competative.
  • 1 0
 @kclw: Orbea's USD is competitive. However, comparing to other bike companies, charging nearly 1.6x times more in CAD dollars than USD is not competitive Canadian pricing.
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 @RowdyAirTime: The top of line Levo-SL is $2300 more than the top of the line Rise. The Orbea is the best priced light-weight E-bike in Canada.

The difference between US and Canadian pricing is because a couple of mail-order companies have dealership rights to Orbea and run them at a really low margin. A margin that is so low that no Canadian bike shop would stock them.
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 @kclw: I am definitely aware of the Levo SL pricing. Specialized SWorks Levo SL is CAD $18,299 and their USD price is $14,000. The difference is 1.31 which is exactly the current exchange rate. This is what I have been saying this whole time that other companies use when CAD pricing their bikes as compared to their USD pricing. .

What I am complaining about is Orbea's CAD pricing compared to their USD pricing. I have bought many bikes over the years (Rocky Mountain, Scott, Trek, Focus, Giant) and I always paid less than the current exchange rate in CAD funds compared to their USD pricing. The current exchange is approx 1.3 and Orbea is trying to charge nearly 1.6x more in CAD funds as compared to their USD pricing. Otherwards, Orbea is charging almost double the exchange rate and other bike companies that I look at do not do that. So Orbea's CAD pricing really sucks as compared to their USD pricing,.
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 @kclw: I have always supported my LBS over the years. However, the problem with Orbea having such a large discrepancy between their $15,000 CAD price compared to their USD $9,500 price (double the exchange rate other bike companies use) is this may not only stop many Canadians from buying this bike but some Canadians may even wait for the borders to open again and buy one from the Northern U.S.. Even after brokerage fees, customs duties you would still save over $2,000 CAD and this should not be the case if Orbea did not have such a huge gap between their USD/CAD pricing. This would hurt our LBS and simply put, I do not want to see that happen.

Hopefully Orbea will fix this huge mistake ASAP...
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 With this new shock leverage ratio, how does it do for small bump compliance? Can it be tuned for a plush ride over small bumps? moderate chunder? I've been riding a 10 year old Ibis Mojo, but love how plush it is.
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 I'm impressed, would love to try one!
  • 3 0
 Well shoot, adding this my my eMTB short list...
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 And I’m getting real close to ordering one of these...
  • 3 0
 It looks, dare I say, almost.. normal.
  • 2 3
 When did all of the rich people decide to start mtn biking? $10,500 for the bike and you can pair it with a $400 garmin. Next they will be gold plating some crappy bike.

www.pinkbike.com/news/that-24k-gold-plated-mountain-bike-is-back-on-sale-for-1-million-usd-for-charity.html

Ah Come On!
  • 4 1
 I take the stairs, not the escalator.
  • 3 0
 I run up the escalator.
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 @EricHarger: I run up the down escalator!!
  • 2 0
 Just let me plug ma gah damn body into muh bike already.
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 18 kgs for a trail worthy (even if electric) bike. Not bad. Waiting still for the 16-17 kgs e-enduro with a 1000 Wh battery. Then I'll change to electrics...maybe...
  • 1 0
 Levo SL came out in February, I would say they were the first one of that “breed”
This looks fun too tho
  • 2 0
 so there's Pinkbike... maybe someone should make a Greenbike site
  • 1 0
 it goes into the right direction! still like to pedal, but waiting for the fuel cell,
  • 1 0
 I tried order on Orbea website.... IT IS NOT AVAILABLE UNTIL JULY 2021!!! WHAT!
  • 1 0
 Longer ride or water bottle. Choose one.
  • 11 0
 I have a Levo SL. Here is my thought - longer ride means a water bottle probably won't be enough water, so bring the camel back. Shorter ride, no extender, and I can bring my water bottle.
  • 4 3
 Rough day for the people who have dropped big cake on a 55 lb e-barge.
  • 1 0
 E bikes are looking more ordinary and... hate it? Love it? I don’t know
  • 1 1
 Oh wow.... a 180mm brake post mount. This is amazing. Groundbreaking.

Why was this even mentioned?
  • 1 0
 I also heard all the Shimano motors are recalled already.
  • 1 0
 By the time I'm 50 ebikes are going to be so awesome.
  • 1 2
 That charging port is in a very weird place. It seems to me that if the range extender is plugged in that the cord will be in the way of your pedal stroke?
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 Orbea rise = Specialized stumpjumper 2017
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 If you can't remove the battery what happens if it goes wrong?
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 I mean it will eventually lose a ton of capacity. Then again I think most people that buy these bikes aren’t planning on keeping them for much more than a year or two. Suppose it is light enough some kid wouldn’t mind the lack of range if it was for sale for 1.5k pinkbike in a couple years
  • 5 0
 I bet you can remove it by taking out the motor? They wouldnt have baked it in the Carbon frame for sure.
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 Pretty sure it's replaceable, it is just not made as a removable setup where you easy click the battery in or out.
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 @EggsandApps: ah, that makes way more sense. Removable was probably not the best word in the article.
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 What a deal - buy a new battery and it comes with a free new front triangle!
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 You can remove it, takes 30 minutes and you need to remove the motor first.
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 Dealer would have to remove it. Just like Norco bikes, batteries can only be removed by dealers, as you have to remove the motor. I bet the same thing here. I've had the TurboLevo for just about a year and have yet to remove the battery, not a deal breaker for me at all. Sick bike!
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 @brewoz40: I barely trust most bike shops to remove a bottle cage (I have seen a shop sell a bike with the allen head stripped) let alone internal components.

It is one of the most visually appealing e-bikes out there for sure.
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 smoke'm if you gotten
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 @iantmcg: Yeah I think so - makes sense that it can be removed by removing the motor but you can't swap the battery out on the trail. It looks like a damn fine bike I'd love to try one.
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 Another company (Trek was the first) ripping off DW’s design and trying to claim it as new and innovative. Nice bike but nothing new here. The Levo SL was the ground breaker in the lighter weight E bike class
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 Dave Weagle is a self important marketing engineer.
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 once ground breaker, now overtaken.
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