Orbea has been working on this project for many years, so the launch of the new Rise is a big deal for them. The Rise is one of the first in a new breed of e-bikes that use a somewhat regular motor in a much lighter package, with a possible lowest total bike weight of only about 16.2kg / 35.64lbs. With 140mm of rear wheel travel and 29 inch wheels front and rear, the Rise caters to trail bike enthusiasts that are looking for some extra boost.
Utilizing a Shimano EP8 motor with a proprietary software setup that was developed closely with Orbea according to their specifications, the motor delivers 60Nm of maximum torque.
The Rise brings to mind Orbea's regular Occam trail bike, and the similarities are not a coincidence. Because of that likeness, I can't help myself but make some comparisons - mostly because you don't often get the chance to compare a regular bike to an e-bike directly.
Orbea Rise Details
• Intended use: trail
• Wheel size: 29"
• Rear wheel travel: 140mm
• OMR carbon frame
• 66°/65.5° head angle
• 77°/76.5° seat angle
• 445mm chainstays
• Frame weight (w/o shock, motor): 2,300g
• 12 x 148mm rear spacing
• Sizes: S-XL
• Price: €5,999 (US $6,599) - €9,899 (US $10,499)
• Colors: Ice Green Ocean, Sap White/Green Fog, Coal Blue/Red Gold, MyO custom
The Rise's frame is constructed using their high-class OMR (Orbea Monocoque Race) carbon process, blending high modulus fibers and high strength fibers for an optimized strength-to-weight ratio. Pre-preg carbon sheets are laser cut to minimize excess materials and overlap while hours of pre-molding ensure optimal compaction. In the end, the frame tips the scale at only 2,300 grams without shock and motor, according to Orbea. That's low for any frame and incredibly low for an e-bike.
Compared to the Occam, the Rise does not need the extra asymmetrical strut connecting the down tube towards the shock link, as the frame is stronger overall in that area.
Internal cable routing enters the head tube, with the brake and shift cable locked into place by an insert and the dropper cable and wire from the e-bike remote routed through an opening on the other side. Towards the rear, cables are routed over the motor into the chainstays inside protective covers.
The dropouts feature Orbea's 148 mm-spaced Concentric Boost 2 rear axle system. Thia design, with the pivot around the rear axle, allowed Orbea to save some weight while also adding stiffness. It's easy to swap the derailleur hanger by hand on the trail, assuming you're carrying a spare.
A chainstay protector with raised ribs is keeping the noise from chain-slap down. PM180 rear brake mounts, and durable Enduro MAX Black Oxide bearings are parts of the feature list.
There's also plenty of room for a water bottle cage, which is important, as it doubles as a holder for a range extender battery in the shape of a water bottle.Geometry
The Rise is available in four sizes from S to XL and its geometry specs are basically a carbon-copy of their regular Occam trail bike.
The reach is modern but still moderate by today's standard, at 425mm for size S, 450mm for M, 474mm for L, and 500mm for XL. The head angle measures 66 degrees with a 140mm travel Fox 34 fork, with the effective seat angle measuring 77 degrees. An optional 150mm travel Fox 36 fork can be spec'd, which slackens the angles by 0.5 degrees and raises the bottom bracket a notch.
The only difference to the Occam appears to be the length of the chainstays, which are 5mm longer, at 445mm.Suspension Design
The Rise's leverage curve is progressive, even a bit more than that of the Occam, especially towards the end, starting out at about 2.9 : 1 going down to 2.275 : 1 in almost a straight line. The leverage ratio and average leverage ratio is a tad lower compared to the Occam, as the Rise is using a 210 x 55mm stroke shock (Occam 210 x 50mm), bringing it to a low 2.55 : 1.
Orbea is equipping the Rise with either a Fox DPS or DPX2 air shock with reservoir depending on the spec package or your choice in the MyO program. Orbea ships a 0.2 and 0.4 inch volume spacer with the bike, giving you the possibility to change the progression of the shock slightly (even bigger spacers are available aftermarket). Motor Details
Shimano's EP8-RS is a regular EP8 with a custom profile, featuring a powerband developed together with Orbea that is unique to their needs. The motor is limited to a maximum torque of 60Nm (not changeable), and weighs in at 2.6kg.
Part of the system is a custom battery sourced by Orbea with 360Wh, with the option of fitting a patent pending range extender with 252Wh (an extra 70% of range) into the water bottle cage, which gives you a combined capacity of 612Wh. When adding the range extender, that extra battery is drained first completely before using charge from the main battery. The batteries use 21700 cells, which are also used by Tesla and allow for a higher capacity within the same form factor of lower rated cells.
The 360Wh battery is said to weigh 2.2kg, and the 252Wh range extender 1.4kg.
Orbea says that because of the lighter bike and lower power consumption the range over a battery inside a regular e-bike extends by a factor of 1.5. Thus, the Rise's 360Wh RS battery is said to deliver ride times (three to four hours) and ranges similar to a 540Wh battery in a typical e-bike. Adding the RS Range Extender is supposed to deliver ride times comparable to a 900Wh battery on a regular e-bike. Riding in the bike's lowest Eco mode suggests a total possible altitude of 4,000 meters (about 13,000 feet).
On the lower side of the seat tube a charging port is integrated into the frame, which also acts as the connector for your range extender. The main battery is fully integrated into the down tube and can't be removed. A neat on/off switch sits on the front of the lower seat tube.
In an effort to reduce clutter from the cockpit as much as possible, the RS interface makes do without a display. Only a small inline Shimano E-Tube Junction (EW-EN100) box at the bike's front cable routing with a single cable connecting Shimano's E7000 button remote on the handlebar can communicate with third-party displays like Garmin's computers or watches via LEV. Two tiny LEDs on the box provide ride mode info. One shines green when the bike is turned on, the other is changes color for the ride mode you're in (blue for Eco, green for Trail and yellow for Boost).
If you really can't live without, you can connect a Shimano SC-EM800 display to your bike and remove the E-Tube Junction. It's available during setup from the MyO program, or, if you decide later to upgrade, from your Shimano dealer.
The powerband of the RS tune is smooth and responsive, especially in the beginning, mainly basing its calculations on rider input and cadence. The big power delivery happens between a cadence of 75 to 95 RPMs, a value where riders usually generate the most power and efficiency. Also, the harder you pedal, the more assist the system will provide. Orbea tells us that this is another factor that sounds simple but is hard to achieve.
The Rise comes with two preset profiles. Profile 1 delivers a subtler support, maximizing range and natural riding experience. Profile 2 delivers more assistance on the climbs within the RS power parameters. The moment the bike is launched, communication with Shimano's E-Tube Project app should also be available to further customize ride modes in both profiles. Maximum torque can be set between 20 to 60Nm, assist character in ten steps and assist start in five.
As mentioned, Orbea will also have a RS Garmin IQ software feature available that you can download onto your Garmin device for detailed information about the e-bike system, including battery level in percent. It even gives you battery state and assist mode info in accordance with your GPS tracking after your ride. This tool will only work with Orbea Rise bikes.
The RS motor, battery and electronics are lighter than other e-bike systems by over half. Their combined electronics only weigh about 200 to 300 grams more than Fazua's system, with a bigger main battery.Specifications
Orbea's MyO program is an individualist's dream. Next to three stock color schemes (Ice Green Ocean, Sap White/Green Fog, Coal Blue/Red Gold) you can customize your frame with plenty of primary and secondary colors as well as sticker colors.
You can find a few custom parts on the Rise that at least for now are exclusive to Orbea. E*thirteen made a custom aluminum 32-tooth chainring made out of an exclusive alloy (there is no 32-tooth option available from Shimano) and Maxxis created 2.4" wide Rekon tires with MaxxTerra compound and Exo+ casing.
Component-wise, you start out with four differently priced build kits (M20, M10, M-Team, M-LTD) and have the option of customizing a lot of the individual components from a list of alternative choices. For 2021, the Rise comes with Shimano brakes with Galfer rotors. Size S features a 125mm dropper post, M and L come with 150mm and XL with 170mm drop (M-LTD only uses 125mm dropper posts).
Prices start at €5,999 (US $6,599) and go all the way up to €9,899 (US $10,499). The Rise will be available in Europe and North America from November 2020 onwards.
I was lucky enough to spend a decent amount of time on Orbea's Occam, and although I usually feel more home on bikes with more travel, I couldn't stop praising the trail bike's ride quality. Looking at and jumping on the Rise feels incredibly familiar, which isn't surprising considering it has almost the same geometry and suspension layout.
This similarity is one of the Rise's biggest advantages, and it immediately translates into the feeling that you're almost riding a regular bike. The Rise isn't the first eMTB to try and bring the weight down by using smaller motors and/or smaller batteries, but their approach with an altered full-size motor that can still provide plenty of torque is one of the better solutions out there.
The moment you start pedaling, it doesn't feel like a huge compromise that Shimano's EP8-RS motor only comes with a maximum torque of 60Nm. Most of the time you are moving the bike within a range that isn't using its maximum power anyway. The bike also doesn't feel under-powered with Orbea's custom algorithm, which builds most of its power at a later point of cadence compared to an EP8's regular setup.
In some regards, people might even have an easier time handling the Rise in technical uphill sections. Due to its lower overall weight, it's easier to finesse over roots and rocks, and together with that gradual power buildup the bike is easy to control. Even when climbing over wet roots in the rain the bike didn't spin out, and still had enough push to make its way up the hill without stalling out. I've also never ridden an e-bike before where it was so easy to side lift the rear wheel or work on your trial skills in slow uphill sections.
Having said that, with Orbea's setup the bike takes longer to get up to speed when starting in a higher gear. In case of an incline, that effect becomes even more noticeable, so you have to pay more attention to gear choice, just as you would with your regular bike. Comparing a regular e-MTB next to the Rise, the more powerful setup of course offers a bit more punch, and trying to keep up with it on the uphills with the Rise requires more effort on your end, but the difference isn't dramatic. I can see both concepts getting along rather well on rides together.
You can talk about the bike's uphill qualities all day long, but it's the downhill where the lower weight really comes into play. My medium-sized M-Team spec with more downhill-capable tires came to a weight of 17.9kg (39.5 lb) without pedals. You don't even give much or any thought to the fact that you're sitting on an e-bike - the Rise is that responsive, playful and easy to handle. Thinking that you could shave another 1.7kg off with a top spec is unreal, although those components would not necessarily emphasize the bike's downhill capabilities. Nevertheless, the Rise more or less allows you to ride the way you'd be used to from your regular trail bike. Front wheel lifts, quick balance shifts and even bunny hops come rather natural.
Just like the Occam, the Rise is a capable, balanced and fun trail machine that carries speed competently and doesn't shy away from more challenging enduro trails. I assume that when things get really rough and fast at the same time that the 140 mm of travel will limit the rider in some regards, but with my setup with capable tires, a larger volume spacer in the rear shock and longer 150mm travel 36 fork up front the bike felt composed when pushing it in wet conditions. All said and done, I'd love to see Orbea's RS concept in a version of the Rallon with more travel and more aggressive geometry.
One of the few compromises of the RS concept is that it doesn't allow you to remove the battery, so in if you don't have a charging port near where you store your bike or don't have that option on the road, it might be a pain to fill up your battery. Also, even though it was less noisy and therefore less annoying than on the two test bikes I've ridden with regular EP8 motors
before, I still noticed the mechanical rattling from the motor.
In terms of the RS system's reach, it seemed like even riding predominantly in Boost and Trail mode battery drain wouldn't be dramatically far off from a regular Shimano setup with a 630Wh battery, or something in between a 504Wh and 630Wh battery, so Orbea's prediction might hold true. That's considering my low weight of 55kg; not knowing how the RS concept reacts to higher rider weights and if it also only devours about 15% more energy for a 75kg rider, as I've found out with the regular EP8 setup. It would be interesting to see how the Orbea-sourced battery with 21700 cells handles its charge until fully drained.
As for riding in Eco mode, I can't say a whole lot about it, other than I had to work a lot more to keep the bike's speed up. Since I usually don't ride that mode often and didn't have much riding time available, I didn't spend more than just a few minutes riding it. I can totally see people even enjoying this ride mode, though. A little bit of help to spend a day with 4000 meters of altitude gain does sound like an epic adventure.
Since the app integration of the RS wasn't available in Shimano's E-Tube Project app, we had to mount the extra Shimano display to try out the more powerful setup of profile 2's settings. The difference in power output isn't dramatic, but enjoying the extra bit of push and when most of the time not looking to finish a ride with those 4000 meters in altitude, it would probably be the setting I'd predominantly use. Again, it would be interesting to see how those two profiles compare to each other in terms of reach.
After such a short amount on the bike I don't want to come up with a final verdict, but I will say I really like the new breed of lighter e-bikes with capable range and power. Orbea's approach seems solid, and while the concept doesn't claim to replace all regular e-bikes (and I still also like very much what those have to offer), I have a feeling that there are a whole lot of people out there that are looking for exactly the ride experience that the Rise can offer.
The highest praise an e-bike can receive.
Come on Orbea, it looks like you have a good bike there and I along with many other Canadians would like to support you, but seriously why piss off so many Canadians with your huge inflated CAD pricing. Hopefully they sort this out ASAP or their sales with surely plummet in Canada.
Well, I guess that tells us the age group associated with loving eBikes.
Love my SL, the Orbea has more battery capacity, but my SL weighs 38.9 # / 17.64 kg with XT trail pedals, 2.6 Butcher Trail Grid/ 2.3 Eliminator Grid, carbon skid plate, and a Pike Ultimate.
Looks like a sweet E-bike, and glad that there's more competition coming out - drives innovation.
I guess what I'm saying is, any capable bike- and a 50+ lb kenevo is definitely that- just becomes "your bike" and you end up shredding as you would any other bike. So if you're disgusted by the weight, you either rode a sh*tty bike, or didn't give it long enough to get dialed.
No, the issue is the weight; 24-26-28 kgs electrics do not behave like bikes; I know, I tried them. This new breed of less than 16-17-18 kgs electrics...well...my nuke reactor with DDs and enduro wheels is 15.5 kgs. My old enduro bike was 16 2 kgs. Both of them were/are bikes.
A 28 kgs electric tank isn't a bike, sorry!
What's more likely is that class 1 e bikes will be allowed everywhere mountain bikes are, like with the recent BLM decision. I think it's primarily justified because they make trail work so much easier in the backcountry, instead of hiking in chainsaws. USFS is doing a survey, voice your opinion.
It's not ideal in my opinion, but this is the new normal. As long as there's money to be made selling these things then people will lobby for them. I reckon I'll be forced to buy one soon.
Its like the Salam witch trials here sometimes with emtb blamed for everything normally by closed minded folk who have never ridden one. For every neg ebike experience I have had, I could probably treble regular mtb neg experiences.
I remember back in the 90’s getting grief for making jumps. Mtb was for riding [xc] off road apparently and it was creating a bad rep for the sport.
It's sad to me that mountain bikers who are e bike haters are one of the biggest obstacles to e bike access. In 5 years they will be riding e bikes and feel stupid for opposing them. Also STC doesn't have a position on e bikes, they are open to them and hopefully realize the potential. Get an e bike and get on board.
How many people does it take to clog up 500 miles of singletrack.
Clearly you are upset. By all means have an opinion. However your Elite Mountain Biker privilege might need a second look.
If you're concern is about the creep from class 1 to class 2 to class 3 to un-restricted throttle only e bikes and people taking an all or nothing approach then that is valid, but address it through a universal licensing/registration/identification process where violators will face serious penalties.
It generally won't. Europe has embraced ebikes on most all public trail systems and nobody pays attention.
Although I can see a few jurisdictions in certain places in USA being more strict because the people making the laws are the exact type that should not be into politics.
looks great, very interessting to be honest. It somehow made me want to ride...
Do I need to cancel my PB account now?
And they cut the battery size down and change the power profiles to get more mileage w/ less power slightly less weight (which wont effect power)
I can appreciate the concept. Have an alloy levo sl w/ high end enduro parts and air shock, alloy wheels and dh casings and its 43.5.
Big deal here is motor drag when you pass the 20mph limit pedaling. The SL motor is so good I can ride it w/ power off for enduro trails w/ buddies and hardly notice. Ive ridden the SC heckler w/ prior shimano motor and once you pass the 20mph mark it feels like a parachute got deployed. Main reason I went away from it. M
The shimano motor has way more torque than the spesh though. So climbing woth the motor on even w/ reduced battery shimano will walk away from the SL (but then its not apples to apples - reg levo is strong AF and more comp to shimano)
IMO the light ebikes will take over the enduro segment. If they get just a little better, negligible motor drag, weigh almost the same and you can get in 2x the runs down your favorite lines in the same time It just makes sense
I tend to agree on the 20mph point. It's really not a noticeable "drag", and I tend to ride at 20mph+ on the roads to trailheads. That's a big deal. Curious how this Orbea handles past 20mph or with the motor off.
I can ride it . Exo+ on the rear is fine Exo on the front is fine. My Rise has a Fox 36 , not lightweight with a full XT drivetrain, not light weight , and a Fox X2 shock , not light weight. The new Shimano has no drag when turned off. I’ve owned a Levo Comp with a Brose which had a ton of drag and a Heckler with the older Shimano E8000 with a ton of drag. The new EP8 has zero drag. This is not an under-spec’d bike what so-ever. My bike tubeless weighs 37.8 pounds with carbon wheelset and maybe a 100 grams heavier with the spec alum wheels. This bike is extremely capable and in no ways compromising on parts.
I don't understand why that's not an option yet.
It will be, in 5-10 years when the ebike market is saturated.
Right now, the goal is to get people to buy ebikes, then 2 years later, upgrade with a new one because theirs is obsolete.
Why again did people start to defend 15kg+ "trail bikes"? Even expensive high end ones at that
Orbea Rise: 250 watts at 16.5 kg -> 15.15 w/kg
Stealth H-52 Bomber Ebike: 6200 watts at 120 kg -> 51.7 w/kg
TTR 125 : 5200 watts at 90 -> 57.7 w/kg
Ktm e freeride exc: 17900 watts at 92 kg -> 194 w/kg
YZ250 2 stroke: 34300 watts at 96 kg -> 357 w/kg
A dirt bike is 100% worth it, it will give you a different ride experience, whereas an EMTB is just easier mtb. I am personally looking at Zero bikes.
Even if that was highest mid drive watt/kg bike kit, you are probably looking at 32 kg total, which is around 90 w/kg.
Given a DH frame, you could build a 6000watt hub motor one at around 40kg, which will give you a dirt bike power to weight of 150 w/kg, but this is a very custom project. Hub motors and jumps don't allways get along, you will need to set up the shock differently, e.t.c.
Of course, the power to weight depends on the battery setup. You can run smaller packs that give you minmal range but light weight. But with a gas powered dirt bike you can just fill up and ride all day without worrying about refueling.
The perfect weight for a eMTB Enduro would be around the 40lbs to 45lbs.
I don't want to cheat on my main ride but, damn, this is tempting
Glad I sold my Decoy for top $ cause this Orbea is going to cost top $$.
And it begins... Is this bike UCI legal? Are racers going to get turned away from races because they have different software from everyone else? Can this bike only be serviced at an Orbea dealer, or can any Shimano service center deal with it?
BTW, how repairable are all these motor units? Is it just straight R&R if there is an issue? What happens to the removed items? Recycled? Refurbished? Thrown out? Batteries and motors are pretty significant things to just toss away and quite expensive to recycle properly.
What if e-Bikes only worked (assisted you) when pointed uphill... ?
When pointed on any real downhill in my area, I'm not pedaling anyways so it won't assist.
I've looked at many other bike manufacturers comparing their USD pricing compared to Canada pricing and the difference is only the exchange rate. Some bike companies CAD pricing is even less than the current exchange rate. For example, Giant's CAD pricing is quite good. If you look at the Giant Trance X Advanced Pro 29 0, their USD price is $8,600 and their CAD price is $9,799. Current exchange rate should equal CAD $11,290 but Giant are much under this, but Orbea seems to want to charge way over the exchange rate. Here's a link to Giant's USD & CAD pricing: www.giant-bicycles.com/us/trance-x-advanced-pro-29-0-2021 & www.giant-bicycles.com/ca/trance-x-advanced-pro-29-0-2021
It looks like Orbea have come out with a great EMTB and I would have been very interested, but after seeing their Canadian pricing, I cannot stand by and see them try and rip off my fellow Canadians. Trying to charge Canadians an extra $2,500 per bike more than other bike manufacturers is not acceptable and Canadian buyers PLEASE BEWARE! Hopefully Orbea will fix this huge error before they end up with no sales in Canada. I have already called them out on this and trust they will see the light and avoid pissing off a whole country...
Orbea's USD price is ok but seriously why try and overcharge Canadians so much more than the exchange rate other bike companies use for comparison. Hopefully Orbea wakes up and realizes Canadians will not put up with this. Canada is a huge MTB buyer, so Orbea's decision for this does not make sense? If Orbea does not fix the Canadian pricing, I and I'm sure others will wait, as I'm sure other bike companies are now working on their new lightweight EMTB's.
I expect the new lightweight EMTB's coming out in the next couple of years you will be able to at least bypass settings and use full power (85Nm) for a short period of time unlike Orbea who have limited the max power of their Shimano RS motor to 60Nm. I gather motors will become even smaller and lighter than the Shimano EP8 drive if less than standard 85Nm is needed. If only 60Nm is needed maybe Shimano will start making even a smaller/lighter motor to bring the weight down even more for EMTB's, especially if large bike companies ask for this. The future is exciting for sure. Ride on everyone...
The difference between US and Canadian pricing is because a couple of mail-order companies have dealership rights to Orbea and run them at a really low margin. A margin that is so low that no Canadian bike shop would stock them.
What I am complaining about is Orbea's CAD pricing compared to their USD pricing. I have bought many bikes over the years (Rocky Mountain, Scott, Trek, Focus, Giant) and I always paid less than the current exchange rate in CAD funds compared to their USD pricing. The current exchange is approx 1.3 and Orbea is trying to charge nearly 1.6x more in CAD funds as compared to their USD pricing. Otherwards, Orbea is charging almost double the exchange rate and other bike companies that I look at do not do that. So Orbea's CAD pricing really sucks as compared to their USD pricing,.
Hopefully Orbea will fix this huge mistake ASAP...
Ah Come On!
This looks fun too tho
Why was this even mentioned?
It is one of the most visually appealing e-bikes out there for sure.
I thought this website was about bicycles?
A bicycle is a bicycle this is an electric scooter for fat losers
I personally will become an old road biker before I lift leg over one of these less I'm pissing on it. lol