First Ride: Fox Releases New Grip X & Grip X2 Dampers

Apr 9, 2024
by Dario DiGiulio  


New dampers, new chassis details, and a new naming convention. Fox is dropping a swath of updates to their XC, trail, and enduro forks, aiming to improve the performance of the products without reinventing the wheel. It's not a total overhaul though, as the 34, 36, and 38 forks all remain essentially the same, save for the damper updates and some improved bushing designs. If anything, it's a solid lesson in the differences that changes in damping can make to the overall system, even when air spring and chassis remain the same.

The lineup is simple, but the updated monikers might be a bit confusing at first. The breakdown is as such:

Grip X2: Gravity & Enduro | Fits Fox 34, 36, 38, 40
We've been testing this damper on the 36 and 38mm chassis.

Grip X: Trail & All-Mountain | Fits Fox 34, 36, 38
We've been testing this damper on the 36mm chassis.

Grip SL: Cross Country & Gravel | Fits Fox 32TC, 32SC, 34SC
No time on this one yet - check out all the tech in this article.

All of these damper updates are backwards compatible with the existing fork models, though there are some chassis updates that will roll out in tandem.



The Dampers

There are some pretty major changes to the damping philosophy on the Grip X and Grip X2 forks, but all the changes are piggybacking on the existing Grip architecture. In broad strokes, the goal of the updates was to increase the effectiveness of end-user tuning, improve traction and ride height, and balance pressure within the damping system.

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Grip X2 Updates.
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Grip X Updates.

Both forks feature a much larger base valve - allowing for more oil to flow through the system - with many more shims in place to control that flow as you wish. Conceptually simple, but packaging was the real challenge here, as it's quite a bit more to fit in the existing chassis. The damping philosophy was heavily influenced by Sergio Avanto, the Product Performance Manager on the GripX2 project, who has a serious pedigree in Supercross suspension tuning. Those philosophies bled their way into the mountain bike side of things, and resulted in the changes you see here.

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The current Grip 2.
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Vs the new Grip X2.

That two-stepped black "hat" you can see atop the new Grip X2's shim stack determines the basic high-speed compression (HSC) characteristics, and can be changed based on a bike manufacturer's (or customer's) desired feel. It basically allows you to shift the bracket of adjustments you can make towards the lighter or firmer ends of the spectrum, based on the size hat you're running. Just another small part in the tuning philosophy, but a cool detail.

Yes there are more shims, yes the base valve is much larger, but in real-world terms the effect is more damping. The Grip X2 and Grip X both offer a different feel to the existing Grip 2, with subtle differences between the two new options. We'll have further thoughts on that front in the Ride Impressions, but for now let's just say it's quite good.



I asked Jordi Cortes, the head of Fox's Global Race Department, for some insight into the benefits of the new damper designs and any differences in setup that may arise.

What do X2 and X achieve that Grip 2 doesn’t?

X and X2 are an evolution. We spent lots of time finding out how to build more damping without adding harshness or losing grip. We came up with some very special test equipment that really let us focus on building damping in a useable manner.

Are there significant tuning differences between Grip X2 and Grip 2? do you approach the two differently??

While there are significant differences internally the way you approach setting them up will be exactly the same. This includes our dampers and really anyone else’s.

Do you think many racers will run the Grip X over the X2 on larger fork chassis?

I don’t think you’ll see many people racing the X, X2 has some performance advantages that definitely make a difference on the clock.

GripX2
Grip X2.
GripX
Grip X.



Adjustments

The Grip X2's adjustment will feel similar to those familiar with the Grip 2 damper, with high speed compression being the only one that differs. That difference lies simply in the distance between clicks, with a full 180° turn between each position on the HSC dial. There are 10 HSC clicks in total. Low speed compression has 20 clicks, low speed rebound has 16, and high speed rebound has 8.

The Grip X is slightly different, and maybe more reminiscent of the outgoing Grip damper. There are detents in the high speed compression circuit, but if you complete the full 170° sweep from full open to full close, you reach the "Super Firm" mode, which effectively closes the HSC and LSC circuits. There is a sole low speed rebound adjuster on the lower leg, with 16 detents.

Because the air springs are unchanged, the volume spacer configurations are as well. Fox recommends starting where you left off with Grip 2 (if you're upgrading to the new damper), and simply tuning the damper first.

Chassis

Pretty simple here, the only change being made to the 34,36, and 38 chassis comes in the form of a reworked bushing design. The redesign is simple, reducing friction and improving oil flow. They are the same size and overlap as the current bushing design, and could be replaced in the event of a major service. Definitely not as significant as the damper updates, but an incremental step towards making the whole system better.

Luckily, the chassis changes aren't critical to the damper updates, so folks looking to drop a Grip X or X2 into their existing forks will be able to do so without issue.

There are too many permutations to get into the specific weights for each, but here are the broad strokes comparisons between the prior Grip 2 and the new Grip X and Grip X2:

Grip X2 is only a 20 gram increase over Grip 2 in 160mm travel, and Grip X is 120grams lighter than Grip X2 in 160mm travel.

Gold

As you may have noticed, these forks come in a new colorway. (It's pretty subtle though, you may have missed it). The all-gold regalia is meant to celebrate Fox's 50th anniversary, and will be available as a limited edition model later this year. Fox is estimating the release to be sometime this summer, but for now the glittery models will be seen only on select athlete and media bikes.

Pricing

The full lineup's pricing is below, with smaller service items and individual dampers priced as follows:

Grip SL Damper: $280-295 USD | Grip X Damper: $320-340 USD | Grip X2 Damper: $380-450 USD


32SC Factory Series - Grip SL: $969-$1049 (w/ remote) USD / $1299-$1399 (w/ remote) CAD

34SC Factory Series - Grip SL: $1019-$1089 (w/ remote) USD / $1369-1459 (w/ remote) CAD

34 Factory Series - Grip X: $999 USD / $1339 CAD

36 Factory Series - Grip X / Grip X2: $1149 USD / $1539 CAD

38 Factory Series - Grip X2: $1249 USD / $1669 CAD

40 Factory Series - Grip X2: $1849 USD / $2479 CAD



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Ride Impressions

Mike and I have been riding a couple variations of the new Fox product for a few months now, spanning the trail / all-mountain / enduro range on a few bikes that fit those monikers. I've been riding a Grip X-equipped 140mm 36 on my Santa Cruz Tallboy, as well as a Grip X2 170mm 38 on my Frameworks. Mike has been testing a Grip X2 160mm 36 on his Trek Fuel EX.

bigquotesSpeaking first to the Grip X, I found it to match the character of the shorter-travel 36 nicely. You can tune it to feel soft and grippy off the top, while still retaining plenty of ride height. The HSC adjuster is visually easy to zero out and set to your preferred clocked position, and the LSC is essentially a set-once adjustment for me on a bike like this. Simplified rebound is going to be a nice feature for lots of users, and definitely takes a bit of puzzling out of the mix. Feel-wise, it's not drastically different to the Grip2, but may feel a wee bit sportier back to back.

Grip X2, on the other hand, is a pretty distinct difference to me. I did a series of back to back rides on a 170mm 38, swapping between Grip 2 and Grip X2, and came away generally preferring the latter. Mind you, that doesn't mean Grip 2 is suddenly not good enough. If you'd asked me three months ago what my go-to long travel fork was, I would have probably chosen a Grip 2 38. The X2 update feels more controlled when changing directions from compression to rebound, resulting in what I'd call a quieter ride feel. It's not stiffer, but the increased damping rounds out all the hits in a way that surprised me at first. You still get some tactile feedback at your hands, but the damping makes it feel like you're just pushing through it as opposed to running into something. There is a little more grip off the top, where a little goes a long way.

All told, I'm a fan, despite being worried Fox would mess with a good thing for the sake of reinvention. It's simply an evolution, towards a more composed ride quality that I'm finding confidence inspiring. Added bonus: both the X and X2 dampers are much quieter than the Grip 2, if that happens to matter to you.
Dario DiGiulio

bigquotesBefore going into my initial ride impressions of the new Grip X2 damper, I should mention that I didn't have any major complaints about the performance of the Grip2 damper – by now I've ridden dozens of forks with that damper, and each time I was able to get it set up without much fuss. Yes, I typically found myself towards the open side of the high- and low-speed compression settings, but I was still able to find a comfortable setup.

With that in mind, I installed a 160mm Fox 36 with the new Grip X2 damper on my Fuel EX to see how much difference a fatter stack of shims could really make. As it turns out, a pretty big difference – it didn't take more than a few turns down one of my favorite rocky descents to start noticing that the fork was doing a better job of taking the edge of repeated sharp hits. 'Plusher' would be one way to describe it, but that almost implies that the fork sits deeper into its travel, and that's not the case. Instead, the feeling is that the fork is quicker to respond to an impact, and does a better job of dissipating it before the next hit.

I tried the full range of compression settings, from full closed to full open, and found them all to be useable, although, not surprisingly, the full closed setting definitely put more feedback into my hands than I would want for an everyday setup. My current settings for my 160 lb weight are 83 psi, HSC: 7, LSC: 15, HSR: 6, LSR: 6. Conditions have been wet and slippery lately, so those are skewed more toward the softer, grippier side of things – I'll add some compression when the ground firms up and speeds increase. I'm not fully open on compression or rebound, and the spot that I'm at gives me room to adjust in both directions.

We'll have some head-to-head fork reviews later this season, but so far I'd say the Grip X2 damper outshines the RockShox Charger 3 damper, at least in the 36 vs Lyrik matchup – the 36 is more comfortable when it comes to repeated big hits, or chattery, washboard sections of trail.
Mike Kazimer


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318 Comments
  • 506 10
 Fox has upped the level of not-quite-Kashima gold colour clashing on bikes by designing a fork which clashes with itself. Kudos.
  • 67 2
 It just adds to the palette of "Kashima" colours already happening when you include the fork, shock, and dropper posts.

The fewer things that match, the more things match (allegedly)
  • 7 9
 Saw this before the released it and thought they would change the color. Turns out they didn't. Saw NRML MTBR and a few other YouTubers at a test session Wink
  • 7 2
 Although I really like the color of the lowers, that was my first and exact thought as well.
  • 59 0
 I kinda like it. -Goldmember
  • 10 0
 Junebug (RIP) would have approved

youtu.be/TjvHy-IYET8?si=q5mkjPYhc3zgNvst&t=24
  • 11 2
 Well, each kashima coating is going to vary slightly in color, so maybe it'll match up every now and then.
  • 6 0
 Should be considered obligatory to run the Eddie Van Halen limited edition mavens on the special edition gold lowers.
  • 31 2
 FYI That’s actually an orange fork, the photo was taken in the path of totality
  • 20 1
 Neither of them are gold colored either. Closer to different shades of bronze, but calling it gold makes it sound like you're winning instead of coming in 3rd.
  • 7 3
 This with Renthal bar and stem.
  • 27 1
 My Factory 36s Kashima is a different color between left and right stanchion.
  • 4 0
 Where do we go from here?
  • 2 0
 @dancingwithmyself: I’ve got that setup on my bike in our video if you love color on color on color.
  • 15 0
 @idecic: golden Pole e-bike ? With Rhental bars?
  • 6 0
 @the-lost-co: not me at all! I’m a pull the decals off a grey Zeb on the front of my raw aluminum frame sort of guy.
  • 5 0
 @chrod: I wonder how you go to the bathroom with all that gold on?
  • 5 0
 They are Kashima-coated lowers. Stiction-free dirt. Next level cleaning.
  • 2 0
 @iLuveKetchup: Then your fork is really old.
  • 1 0
 @iLuveKetchup: same here!
  • 7 0
 @MountainJnky: How about NO, you crazy, Dutch bastard! - Dr. Evil
  • 8 5
 Kashima coating - biggest load of bull in the MTB marketing world, and that is a mighty ton of bull!
  • 4 1
 Buy one Factory gold and one Performance Elite and swap the lowers.
  • 3 0
 @chrod: was the cop in that video the same dude that died from eating the hot peppers in dumb and dumber?
  • 2 0
 @chrod: This was 100% worth a watch. Laughing so hard and imagining the tricked out goobers on 15k bikes.
  • 1 1
 New DVO Onyx38 has all of em beat.
  • 1 0
 @boozed: Just get performance Elite and be done with it
  • 8 0
 @chrod: The next iteration needs to be see-through with live goldfish in the lowers ;-)
  • 1 0
 @Lookinforit: Ha ha the struggle is real.
  • 6 0
 My wife’s comment: the fork’s looks suggest its worth is closer to what you pay.
  • 1 0
 @dancingwithmyself:

Eddie Van Maven
  • 1 0
 @chrismac70: Well yes but that's less funny
  • 1 0
 @MountainJnky: also clashes with the new Feedback stand, and I still like it.
  • 2 0
 Hmmm...looks blue to me. Wink
  • 1 0
 @lkubica: race face atlas kash money bars
  • 2 0
 @dancingwithmyself: yeahh i always take my fork decals off, looks better without
  • 175 9
 Calling a fork damper X2 when you've already got a rear shock called that will confuse a lot of people and make googling for the shock harder...
  • 168 7
 You'd think they'd want to get away from the X2 name considering the reputation it has as well
  • 69 2
 @nfontanella: you can say that times two
  • 19 19
 and even more confusing with all the X2 issues and, besides that, I've never actually met someone who really likes their X2 (including me). I'd bury that name.
  • 43 1
 I'm that one guy who likes his X2 (It hasn't blown up yet)
  • 23 1
 @jzPV: I love my float x2. New 2024 models feel drastically different
  • 19 2
 @jzPV: I find people like them until they blow up Frown
  • 30 0
 Maybe it's more of a matching thing, already have a bike with the X2 shock? You'll want the fork with the X2 damper to match. Float x shock? Grip X damper. It seems to me that they have the same purposes.
  • 3 0
 @nfontanella: they should call it XX2
  • 1 3
 @senorbanana: did I not see that the main difference was the addition of a fat volume reducer in the air chamber thereby meaning lower pressures would be required but changing the feel?
  • 35 0
 Counterpoint, this branding adds some consistency to the product line.

38 Grip X2 and Float X2 being the high end enduro/DH suspension. 4 way adjusters, best build.
36 Grip X and Float X being the midrange trail/enduro suspension. 2-3 way adjusters, lighter weight.
  • 1 1
 Same thoughts I had. Why not go R2C2 as a throwback to the RC2 which everybody loved or call it X4 for 4 way adjustable?
  • 1 3
 @rockyflowtbay: I've found that they only blow up when people don't service their lowers.
  • 5 0
 They should have gone with XXX. Bring us back to the days of Vin Diesel as an action hero fighting Russian mobsters. It could also help get more sponsorship from OnlyFans to help ignite the PB comment section further.
  • 1 0
 @WillW123: my pressure values are similar to my 2023 to reach same sag. 2024 has new seal designs, base valve piston, and 7000 alloy body
  • 6 0
 They've always done that. Customer calls up wanting seals for a 2008 Fox FLOAT R we have to ask if it's a fork or shock. Exact same model name!
  • 3 1
 @90sMTBEnjoyer: fox will replace it for free. Do it now!
  • 2 2
 @90sMTBEnjoyer: if you send in any x2 for service that was manufactured before 2024 they will send you a brand new x2 factory for free. No questions asked
  • 2 0
 @korev
I was certain grip3 was the next step. Missed that one by a mile!
  • 2 1
 @90sMTBEnjoyer:
I've had plenty with warranty issues but they are still the best of the best imo.
  • 3 0
 @90sMTBEnjoyer: Tigernipples is right! Start you warranty process tomorrow morning. It’s probably 2+ months out right now. You can send your shock in like 5 days before your “service date” and then they’ll send you back a brand spanking new 2024 x2. Did it for me and my wife’s bike earlier this year.
  • 1 0
 @BeerGuzlinFool: but what if it's a old 200x57mm shock?
  • 5 0
 @SherlockOoms: just got mine replaced in about a week and a half including ship time. Fox told me three weeks but they over delivered. MY24 has been excellent!!
  • 1 0
 @BeerGuzlinFool: Only 2021-2023 models.
  • 1 0
 @SherlockOoms: thanks, I'll do it when it starts to sound all squishy and stuff. Not keen on putting my bike out of commission to replace a shock that is currently working fine though.
  • 5 1
 @jzPV: I don't think people realize the history of the X2. When the shock was initially released it was the pinnacle of downhill performance on an air shock. There was nothing that could match it for many years. Today, the X2 has those notorious issues, but if you look at the X2 since its release it is an incredibly successful shock.
  • 2 0
 @a-prince: had a Double Barrel before which felt noticeably smoother.
  • 1 1
 @a-prince: this is vivid erasure
  • 1 0
 @BeerGuzlinFool: can confirm
  • 1 0
 @briarwood828: guess I got lucky then. Both my x2 shocks were replaced . And upgraded
  • 63 1
 I would love to see back to back super slow-mo of a 38 in a chatter section, not catching air but smashing into stuff with a grip2, X and X2 damper to see the differences (or not).

Did the factory figure out how much grease and oil to put into a new fork yet? Too much grease and barely any oil in the two 38’s I’ve done lower services on.
  • 12 9
 My Grip2 had way too much grease and the air spring was like solidly lodged in the leg. Had to hit it with a broomstick to get it out. One day they'll figure it out (they won't).
  • 2 1
 @Jvhowube: do you mean a fork you had with the Grip 2 damper, the air spring side had too much grease?
  • 6 1
 I am planning on doing this, have a perfect straight section of trail and a high end slomo camera!
  • 5 0
 @RBalicious: mine and a friends had both too much grease in the air spring side as well as not enough oil in both sides. If they can’t be bothered to assemble them in a way where they are fully functional…
  • 4 0
 @RBalicious: Yah a 38 (Grip2 fork) with too much grease on the air spring side.
  • 4 1
 The Lost Co. did a full thorough review.


youtu.be/NhXoBpDBBPc?si=xwCTl04NRckX6DxA
  • 4 1
 This. Instead of reworking the bushings for better oil flow and less harshness just put the proper amount of grease and oil in them at the factory. It's like a whole different fork when you adjust the amount from "what fox puts in it" to "what fox says is supposed to be in it."

My 2010 Fox RLC had too much grease from the factory so I'm guessing that issue will never be fixed.
  • 3 1
 @likeittacky: You mean advert
  • 2 0
 @grldm3: youve had 14 years to do it
  • 1 1
 @chrismac70: Nope. If you watched it, He breaks down everything about the Fork, with an articulate, simple and easy to understand way. Granted, He does own a Bike shop / Online mail ordering company with hundreds of thousands in dollars of product of different brands that he needs to sell; Hence, so he subtly expresses that. Mike is a bike nerd with a talent to string together details of technical information, in a fashion, that is sharp and forthright in delivery; unlike most immature, half intoxicated or stoned YT-er's trying to figure out what their even describing as they mumble along. The Lost CO gang and Mike are by far the example to be followed for content and information especially on the technical side of things. JMO
  • 45 1
 gold on gold? i thought catering to the russians is now outlawed?
  • 50 2
 I guess it depends what they Putin to it...
  • 27 1
 Just wait until you see the little Adidas track suit it comes in. Each fork leg goes into a leg of the track suit and so on, you get the idea.
  • 33 0
 Persian riders gonna buy all the gold forks, get them before it's too late!
  • 8 0
 Just wait for the purple and gold model.
  • 7 0
 @fudgedredd: you have my full attention
  • 5 0
 Or that guy the leader of Turkmenistan.
  • 1 0
 Half already ordered to Muurame in Finland to put into those golden Poles.
Wait - this fork is not 190mm - what to do?
  • 33 0
 FYI... Sporting that much gold requires an ambient smell of cheap cologne.
  • 14 0
 Ay Tone, when we going riding in forest again yeah?
  • 8 0
 Comes with a cheap cologne-scented damper oil and is triggered via the "scent valve" button
  • 35 13
 Really disliking this borrowed marketing technique of "limited run" custom color-way products to build the "luxury goods" hype.

SRAM did it with the red mavens and I then saw a lot for sale after launch at well over list from people not interested in the product but just wanting to rip others off.

Either make the colour or don't but stop it with this limited run luxury goods marketing boll*x as it just feeds rip off merchants. These are forks not handbags.
  • 11 1
 The proof is in the buying.
  • 10 1
 @jhtopilko: Usually it's in the pudding.
  • 22 0
 "I'd say the Grip X2 damper outshines the RockShox Charger 3"
But does it outshine the Charger 2?
  • 22 2
 Nothing compares to the motion control
  • 5 0
 @nskerb: The motion control on my hardtail has run ok longer than any other damper I've owned has run at all. Like one of those old GM 3.8 V6s.
  • 2 0
 Same. I have an old Motion Control fork that's been on 5 bikes and works like new. One key is that they're easy and cheap to service frequently, so I do. No proprietary bladders or special tools required.
  • 2 0
 @lkubica: do you prefer the charger 2 over the charger 3?
  • 2 0
 It’s also a bit of a weird comparison because RS and Fox are to some degree about taste.
Until there is a good comparison between X2 and Grip 2 in the same fork I wouldn’t jump to any conclusions
  • 19 0
 That explains why all the forks have been on super sale I guess.
  • 24 0
 Good time to buy the excellent grip2 forks.
  • 6 0
 @danielomeara: Yep...got a 170 factory 38 for $700
  • 7 0
 @Explodo: Yeah, my bike is full 27.5 I got a Fox 38 performance Elite for 399. I am pretty satisfied by this deal either way.
  • 2 0
 This and the fact they're massively over-stocked.
  • 15 0
 It's weird that Fox (and all other suspension companies) print the terms "Firm" or "Fast/Slow" on their products then only use the cool-kid lingo of "open" and "closed" when discussing how to set up your suspension on youtube videos and podcasts. The printed terms are probably more helpful for the general population riding bikes, but the "how-to" stuff out there never seems to do a good job of relating the cool kid lingo to what's on the product. Seems like they should be printing "closed" and "open" on their products, or change the way the industry speaks about suspension to match what they print on their product.
  • 2 0
 Yep... It's like they want to cater to two audiences at the same time, one teach-savvy using the "correct" terms, and the other who are "rich that want the latest and greatest but don't actually care about it that much", but with the same product. Its a weird mix.
  • 1 0
 The damping works by Forcing oil to flow through a relatively small hole. Opening the hole allows the oil the flow more quickly. Closing the hole means the oil flows through more slowly.
  • 15 1
 I'm sure it works great; Fox stuff does. But can I please get mine with Black uppers? There's a reason Fox doesn't publish the friction and/or wear test data for the Gold vs. Black finish. It isn't much more than a marketing tool for profit generation by the supposedly higher end version. Bling just ain't my thing; sorry. My Factory Elite 38 is in essence, a Factory fork without the flash. I do like the Bronze lowers though, just not with the off-gold uppers. Can't have everything I suppose. Guess I should have become a Dentist so I could buy both colors and have them rebuilt into one that I really like.
  • 1 0
 You normally could with performance elite, but now I am not seeing a 36 performance elite with the grip x2 damper, only grip x.
  • 1 0
 Kashima and DLC, and TiN have measurably less friction than just hard anodized parts. Not a huge difference, but there IS a difference.
  • 3 1
 Fox doesn't publish the numbers, but the Miyaki company that invented the process does.
global.kashima-coat.com/service_en/kashima-coat/story.html
  • 6 0
 @Glory831Guy: Thanks for the link to the Miyaki data; it's quite good. The test though, is comparing metal on metal stiction values, without lubrication of any kind, in order to isolate the effect of the Kashima as the sole lubrication factor. In a MTB fork application however, we are are dealing with a different set of real world factors, primarily the addition of a lubricated interface with the coating in question, (either anodized/Black or molybdenum infused/Kashima); that being a lubricated set of seals, bearings and the like. While I appreciate seeing the enhanced performance of Kashima in a dry metal on metal test, the difference in a lubricated fork is another matter, and I've yet to see a test result from two forks: identical but one with Kashima vs. one with Black anodized uppers. THAT would tell us something useful. Although the linked data certainly makes clear that if your going to run a fork dry, Kashima would help!
  • 4 1
 @StewartHowe:

In my experience it seems like the kashima wears way better and it resistant to FOD in the lowers. Kashima seems to be able to take years of abuse that would kill black ano in weeks.
  • 5 1
 @CobyCobie: I concede that kashima looks to be, based on testing and real world rider experience, perhaps slightly superior in function and wear resistance. I say slightly, because I've never met or heard from anyone that claims to be able to feel the difference riding one or the other in otherwise identical forks, like my Performance Elite 38's vs Factory. And although you claim your kashima versions "able to take years of abuse that would kill black ano in weeks." I've been riding mine in near daily, year round, harsh abusive conditions here in North Idaho, and after a year and a half, they are like new. NOT destroyed in weeks, but in excellent conditions after 84 weeks. Bike Park laps, long steep fast descents from the top of Schweitzer Mountain, forest single track, hundred degree heat and dust, sub zero blizzard rides on 45North studded tires, all of it and they're in nearly new, nearly perfect condition. Granted I do take care of them, and the Slick Honey helps I'm sure, but they are FAR from destroyed in weeks. And best of all, they're not flashy "look at me" Gold.
  • 1 0
 You can always get your lowers painted..
  • 1 0
 @stormracing: The Bronze lowers look awesome, and the new damper system sounds like a legit improvement, I'd go with the new Bronze fork and swap out the uppers to Black ones if it were really that important to me. For the money, I'd do a Cascade Link and go to 180mm front and rear first; then throw on some sweet 5Dev 160mm crank arms. I should have become a Dentist; this stuff ain't cheap.
  • 1 0
 @StewartHowe: I mean neglectful abuse. Kashima seems to do significantly better with stuff like clumps of dirt in the lowers, underlubrication, not being serviced.
  • 1 0
 @CobyCobie: For sure. It's an excellent upgrade; I just wish they'd offer more colors of it than Gold. If they made a Gray, Black, or some other toned down version of the Kashima coated uppers, I'd want 'em too.
  • 17 0
 No headset through damper to front brake cable routing? Is this even 2024?
  • 9 1
 Don't give Scott ideas!
  • 2 0
 through starnut!
  • 13 0
 Each day we get a step closer to moto suspension…
It’s interesting seeing some of the influence
still a ways to go though! Avy has it figured out. Weight is a draw back. But performance is top stuff
  • 7 4
 Marzocchi had it figured out 20+ years ago, and then their quality went into a nosedive.
  • 6 1
 @Snowytrail: marzocchi damping? Did they have any? I just remember soggy wallowy mush from under sprung forks with literally zero compression damping
  • 3 1
 @IllestT: Most people praising the old Marzo stuff never actually road one. You had to be a mad scientist to get those things to work properly and often times they needed tons of maintenance. Saying that... I loved mine and still love my Jr. T. But every fox/marzocchi fork I've had over the last 10 years is way way better. LOL!
  • 2 0
 Interesting that fox says they took a lot of tuning advice from a SUPERCROSS tuner.

I would have though supercross and MTB setups are polar opposites.

Shim stack looks very basic, like 5x if each shim in a stepped stack, but the little 'top hats' on the shimbeing available in different sizes (contact area on the shim) are a good idea.
What took so long to adopt this from Marzocchi using them 10 years ago in the 380??
  • 2 0
 Love the Avalanche stuff. Ill be concerned about the weight of their cartridge when I no longer have a bunch to lose myself.
  • 11 1
 Somewhere out there someone is already thinking about changing that shim stack...because they have to tinker
  • 5 0
 @dougal has entered the chat Wink
  • 10 0
 Just bought a 2024 38 Factory for half price. I would not notice the difference............
  • 3 0
 shhhhhh.... don't tell anyone
  • 3 2
 @jaydawg69: oh you will if you like any compression damping
  • 2 0
 @englertracing: why does that sound so threatening, and why am I running my HSC wide open and LSC 4 clicks from open?
  • 1 0
 @AndrewHornor: and it will feel the same with hsc closed and lsc 4 clicks from closed.
This dyno chart really illustrates it... the entire range of a grip 2 vvc full open to full closed is about 1 or 2 clicks on a reasonable damper (like an rc2)
youtu.be/lS-VzI2JbrI?t=1018
  • 2 0
 @englertracing: The range works for lighter not that aggressive riders on not too steep trails. But its true that I have to fully close both compression dials if the trail gets steep and rough on a hot day. I always wondered how heavier and more aggressive riders deal with that. But the pre vvc compression Grip2 seemed to be too harsh for everyone. And yeah, the range is really minimal as I sometimes ride it almost fully open but for me its ok as I'm light and the small range allows for really fine tuning the adjustment to fit the trail.

The problem with consumer forks is that it makes no sense to set them up for racers and then sell them to pensionists who ride ebikes on fireroads while sitting down. Its more reasonable to aim for the mass of riders and let the racers tune their forks to their liking, which happens anyway.

The first gen grip2 and the RC2 in this graph were criticized by many because they were too harsh for their hands and then the updated VVC grip2 was considered as the benchmark by many riders includic Seb as it was plush but I always wondered if that compression tune isn't too soft for those fast guys.
  • 12 0
 Paging Seb Stott.
  • 12 6
 $380-450 for the new X2 damper is LOL. i think i will just send my fork out for a custom tune before i drop the coin on replacing the damper. however, if i were in the market for a completely new fork then yeah, the X2 seems like a solid buy.
  • 10 0
 Would look dope with gold lowers and black stanchions.
  • 9 0
 Incremental improvements are underappreciated
  • 6 1
 I hope FOX also spend some money into assembly QC... I mean it's not only yellow F, RS top line Ultimate suspension also comes assembled by people with two left hands, but I had more issues with Factory crap then I ever had with any cheap products before all due to assembly issues and general QC
  • 1 0
 Agree. Way too much grease has been the culprit of cartridge issues from what I've personally seen. Having to take apart a brand new fork just to remove grease is disheartening. Hopefully QC is back after COVID days.
  • 1 0
 @dorkbike: nope it's worst, grease is still there, assembly is so so, they cannot even properly fill up oil to the specs, both F and RS
  • 12 5
 Trump would rock the crap out of those gold lowers on his whip, which is definitely ebike.
  • 5 2
 Haha as if he even knows how to ride a bike.
  • 10 0
 I dunno, I feel like he'd prefer the orange lowers.
  • 3 0
 @commental: I would agree based on his tanning color of choice but based on what I have seen and read about his personal homes and such, the man really like gold.
  • 5 1
 "The X2 update feels more controlled when changing directions from compression to rebound,"

Quite interesting, since they didn't change the rebound side. At least they didn't mention it, and it seems like they would have mentioned it if it did indeed change.
  • 3 0
 Although not mentioned there is something obviously visually different. Look at the old in the service manual and then look at the new. Much large round piece under the HSR VVC nut and a new round disc on top as well that didn’t exist before. I just hope they found a way to get the HSR set consistently because the HSR VVC in grip2 is wildly inconsistent between forks.
  • 4 0
 @Jesse221: part of the issue is the dumb way you have to set HSR leaf spring clearance. The manual doesn't show you how to actually do it, and its almost always WAY out of spec from the factory.
If the clearance is properly set to .030", rebound isn't the weak area of the 2021+ vvc Grip2. The compression is non-existent, and relies to heavily on LSR to do it's job. Kits from Fluid Focus, and WPS address this, but I'm optimistic about the changes made to the X.
  • 4 2
 @Vikingdude: so many people dont wanna hear that their burly 38 they "need"
for the stiffness has NO compression damping
  • 3 0
 @Vikingdude: I’m aware how they’re set and that’s my point. It’s not just a feeler gauge gap either then you have to preload it by turning the HSR rod with a torque screwdriver but then that adds another tolerance of the I rings effecting the torque value, also I’ve had some where once the foot stud is torqued to the shaft there is a light squeeze on the HSR rod, some do it some don’t. Again another tolerance stack up. Then there’s the adjustment nut set “approximately in the center” so it’s not even resting on a hard stop, once again another preload tolerance stack up.

The whole design is sloppy and while it works it needs a rework for more consistent values that are all over the place right out of the box. No point in even making a setup guide with a tolerance stack like that.
  • 3 0
 @Vikingdude: oh and then forgot after torquing you have to back it out “approximately 72 degrees or 4 clicks” so again another tolerance, was that 70 or 75 degrees that I turned? After doing enough of them it always takes a few tries before it seems right but even then no two come out the exact same it seems.
  • 13 6
 Will the X2 fork also need to be rebuilt every 6 months to perform well??
  • 13 3
 No. It will need far more frequent than that
  • 5 1
 You don't service your suspension regularly? I mean... it says right in the manual to do it every 125 hours. And that's in primo conditions. I'd er on the side of more regular and do 100.

5 2 hour rides a month is 10 hours. That's 1 year. So annually if you're that kind of rider. If you're riding every day and doing big 4-6 hour rides on the weekend.... 6 months sounds about right.

Or you could not service it at all then blame the manufacturer when you have issues like so many others...

RS is 50 hours for lower legs (seals, etc) and 200 for damper...
  • 3 0
 @onemanarmy: uhhhhhhh no man.
The 21-23 x2 has had bad issues ramming air can air into the damper oil.

So much that the 24 has a new sealhead with two buna
orings in place of the old single poly.
  • 2 1
 @onemanarmy: The manual says every 30 hours. which is once a month for me
  • 1 0
 @englertracing: I know. Mine had that issue. The new ones got a lot more than just seal heads.
  • 11 4
 Does 2 stand for the service interval, like on their shocks?
  • 7 2
 Indeed, and is that laps or minutes
  • 18 2
 It stands for needing 2, so you can still ride while one is being warrantied. Like their shocks
  • 7 0
 Goldmember signature fork
  • 10 3
 Christ those forks look bloody hideous
  • 6 0
 It better make me a nice dinner, because I'm definitely not buying this thing for its looks
  • 6 0
 Crazy commenting here, liking the gold over the orange
  • 4 2
 Would love to know how it compares to the EXT ERA? Guessing the updates put Fox more in that direction but still far off in the overall picture? Nothing wrong with that per se, just different philosophy and preferences. I like each depending on what I’m doing.
  • 6 0
 I will never reach nirvana with my current fork knowing this exists.
  • 6 5
 You will never reach nirvana riding Fox period.
  • 1 0
 @stubs179: I am pretty damn close now. Haven't really had anything else come close. Had a few other brands. Depends on what you are doing I guess.
  • 2 0
 Interesting to use the wave springs backing the shims on the basevalve. KYB did this on their midvalves up until 2018, I assume the intent is the same by increasing small bump sensitivity. Curious how the feel of support will be with this. Also looks like they ditched the VVC.
  • 2 0
 Have a 2023 34 with a Fit4 and thinking about upgrade options: new X when (if) it goes on sale in a few months, new Grip2 when (if) it goes on clearance sale this spring, or just stick with the Fit4? I don't really need to lock out the fork, but I probably would for FS road climbs if I had it. Fit4 short travel (120) fork on my bike now does feel a bit harsh, maybe I just need to keep tweaking adjustments.
  • 1 0
 I've got a Fit4 that's past due for a rebuild, I'm thinking about just going the GripX route.
  • 1 0
 I have a FIT4 and upgraded to a Grip2 and the difference is massive. A well set up Grip2 doesn’t really need to be locked out and is a good way to change the feel of your fork for the better imo.
  • 2 0
 @Taylor084: I run a smashpot kit with a Fit4 damper,(personally) all my tuning is done on the coil side with spring rates and oil weight changes. The damper is ran almost wide open, and double duties for lockout purposes.
  • 2 0
 @Brave1i1toaster: heard good things about the smashpot kits but never tried them.
  • 8 6
 In 2024: 7 out of 10 Fox 38s have excessive port blocking grease in the airshaft assembly that the customer experiences as stiffness and hand pain. When we see this it usually includes less than recommended 20wt bath oil on the airside.
4 out of 10 need burnishing out of the box as the bushings bind. The Fox 38 chassis is incredible if you replace the airshaft with a Vorsprung Smashpot. You get the best fork in the market if you also replace the damper with the FAST SC5 Cartridge or Avalanche damper.
  • 4 2
 Best fork on the Market... amazing joke!
  • 3 4
 Or you could have just bought an EXT ERA off the bat and had the actual best fork.
  • 4 0
 Basically my first thought when I saw this article. Less new technology, more QC. The fork is already good when someone competent puts it together. Give me a Performance level Grip1 with a lowers service and the bushings burnished over this new fangled stuff any day.
  • 6 0
 I have a Zeb with an HC97 and a Secus. The fork feels absolutely phenomenal. Sometimes I start to forget how wonderful it is and then I ride someone else’s bike. I am instantly reminded how shit OEM forks are.

People push on my bars and always comment, “wow, you run your fork crazy stiff.” I tell them it’s more plush than any fork they’ve ride. Thats just what support feels like.
  • 3 0
 mmmm yes, best fork on the market after 1k in upgrades
  • 2 0
 @vtracer: $750ish on a used $500 fork. $1250 and I have a fork that’s actually great instead of a mediocre fork that looks like a Vegas hotel room. But my first comment wasn’t really comparing it to a new 38. More commenting to the OPs last sentence. I have really bad wrists so I’ll pay a premium for extremely plush and supportive.
  • 4 0
 I have the vorsprung coil, great upgrade, but for me going forward coil on the big bikes all day, no more air BS
  • 3 2
 Avy stuff is definitely where it’s at when it comes to dampers
Love their stuff!
  • 4 3
 4/10 should be expressed as 2/5.
  • 2 0
 Hope I can get an upgrade damper for my fox 40, would be nice to upgrade just the damper instead of the entire fork. Glad to see fox updating there stuff again, for a while rockshox was leading the charge in new suspension development but now this changes all that
  • 4 1
 I'm officially priced out of Fox forks which is fine. I'll be going custom tunes and aftermarket dampers on older models. $1600 for a mass produced Fox fork is not worth it. Biggest updates are in the marketing and paint.
  • 2 0
 “ Do you think many racers will run the Grip X over the X2 on larger fork chassis?

I don’t think you’ll see many people racing the X, X2 has some performance advantages that definitely make a difference on the clock.”

Meanwhile, the elite pros will be running fully custom internals but still telling us how great the stock item is!
  • 2 0
 Oh, so much bitching out there. I don't remember anyone forced to buy the new fork.... all while "they never come up with anything new" moaning and complaining. I don't seem to recall any of you hitting those big drops on your circa 1995 Stumpjumper now do we? All while we certainly want Fox to rely on for parts and service. How the hell do you think this gets done? Wonder what all the complainers do for a living?? Do you actually have to innovate or die? Gee, guess this saying if for a reason. So if Fox is really fooling all of us, and "moan" that's too much $$, then I suggest you head on down to Ali Express and find yourself a load of cheap innovation for a fair price. Oh, don't forget, it needs to be compatible with your 26" wheels. Wha, Wha.
  • 11 6
 Gold forks, perfect for the rider with no taste.
  • 5 0
 So VVC is gone on the compression side... very interesting.
  • 7 0
 The most interesting detail that no one mentioned or noticed! VVC preloads the shim stack and supposedly allows for more adjustability without the need to mess with the shim stack, why would they remove it?
  • 4 1
 Still exists on HSR, gone everywhere else.
  • 2 0
 @rtmd: it was ineffective. The grip 2 vvc was ajustable from none to next to no compession damping.
  • 1 1
 @dariodigiulio: yes, as I said: "gone from compression side" (your "everywhere else" is just one place out of two), but that doesn't answer the "why".
  • 1 0
 @justinfoil: the rebound flows the entire oil column, where the shims lift alot higher. The base valve only flows shaft displacement, the change in stiffness provided by the vvc leaves was about half of nothing, even when you stacked extras in there.
  • 1 0
 @rtmd: I'm thinking they wanted to expand the range of adjustment (on the top end, more damping force, and reduce pressure overall, hence the much bigger base valve, and maybe vvc just isn't as useful as an adjustment with that much oil flow. HSR gets to keep it because there is an upper bound to needed damping force because there is an upper bound to spring force at bottom out (max pressure plus max tokens plus travel)
  • 1 0
 @englertracing: actually, rebound flows the entire column _minus_ the shaft displacement.

And perhaps I got my terminology slightly off. Bigger base valve piston gives less pressure (for a same flow, given that the rebound piston didn't change, at least not enough to mention), and maybe vvc didn't cooperate with the lower pressure they desired (nor even with the current higher pressure, but that's a different can of worms)
  • 1 1
 @rtmd: I was about to comment in the same way. VVC actually varies the flow of oil going trough the same shim stack (same as Ohlins) without the need to preload it. That gives a significantly improved ride quality because there is no "on-off" feeling since ther is no threshold to be won over. To me is the most significant feature of the current damping offer and I believe they will implement it later on in order to continue to feed the chain.
  • 1 0
 @trnxxx: haha will be the next evolution: bigger compression piston, this time + vvc!
@justinfoil yea all good info, replacing with the bigger shim stack (22 vs 7 shims) will allow for more damping force for sure. If you guys wanna nerd out on the science stuff search for "2025 Fox GRIP Dampers Deliver Better, Faster Control"
  • 3 0
 Hey @dariodigiulio and @mikekazimer it would be sweet to see pics of your test bikes (TB, EX) with the forks installed on em.
  • 2 0
 My guess is they have some other fox/raceface parts that they cant show yet.
  • 1 0
 Im suprised the tallboy with 140mm fork rides properly. Climbing must be like riding a chopper
  • 1 0
 @chrismac70: TB still climbs great even with 150
  • 5 2
 Oh nice, they released a damper that's pretty much exactly like a 2014 Marzocchi DBC cartridge. This industry loves to run around in circles.
  • 6 0
 Clashima
  • 1 0
 Can someone explain why dampers keep getting upgraded but air springs still seem to be basic iterations and underengineered? Maybe I'm wrong about that but it just seems like the air spring side/mechanism/engineering is ripe for some opportunity on an OEM basis, whereas the damper side is pretty well served with stock systems and benefits moreso from tuning to individual bike/rider preferences?
  • 3 0
 does "backwards compatible" include earlier forks like those without bleeders & axle pinch bolts?
  • 1 3
 Haha, no.
  • 3 1
 yes will fit in earlier forks
  • 1 0
 @brapaholics: I hope this is true. Do you have source info? I looked at the Fox website but didn't see anything
  • 6 0
 2015+ Fox 36 chassis use the same damper size and threads. You’ll be able to install the GRIPX2 or GRIP X in any 2015+ Fox 36 (and of course any 3Cool .
  • 1 0
 Including the Marzocchi Z1 given it's larger stanchion wall thickness?
  • 2 0
 @vtracer: YEs it will work.
  • 4 0
 I really liked stool sample with glitter colorway.
  • 5 0
 BRING BACK THE PISTACHIO
  • 4 0
 Waiting for Sebs review to tell us the original Grip 2 is better.
  • 4 2
 How ridiculous. Exactly every 12 months the damper gets better. Year after year after year after year after year ... they never get it right!
  • 1 0
 That's like getting mad at Porsche because they release new 911's every year. They never get it right! Kinda hoping this is a sarcastic comment poking fun at people complaining about updates and improvements...
  • 4 2
 Whoever at Fox approves the name these things need a serious lesson in SEO. Googling Fox X2 just got harder for both products. Little brain move.
  • 2 3
 Looks like they got rid of the plastic sleeve at the top of the damper that somehow breaks, which may be an improvement. Be nice if they had also done something about the CSU creak and increased realistic "service intervals" from (I assume) every ride to maybe once a year...
  • 3 0
 oh you think these uppers are ugly?
  • 4 1
 So still damped for beginners and under 160 pound riders? Sick.
  • 3 0
 Wow, Kashima coated lowers. The dirt must be stiction-free.
  • 2 0
 The item I found the most interesting, @mikekazimer is still riding his Fuel Ex.
  • 3 0
 It's nice to have a reliable trail bike around for testing parts / suspension, and the Fuel's been holding up well.
  • 1 0
 @mikekazimer: Doesn't hurt that it's a great bike.
  • 1 0
 Surprisingly I like the gold way way more than the orange

and fork seems nice, but so damn pricey. Fox 34 performance Grip X is $1200 cad
  • 2 0
 I’m happy to have held out with my Z1 Coil. Assuming these drop in… It’d be even more of a monster.
  • 5 0
 I’m glad these new dampers came out because Jenson was blowing out Z1 coils for $380 a pop. New fork day as soon as I find time to install it.
  • 2 0
 @sfarnum: Glad you snagged one! Insane deal. I almost grabbed another Z1 Coil to avoid servicing mine, but I'm not a wasteful person. Instead maybe I'll buy that and throw it in during the service. That fork with this new X2 damper has to be killer!
  • 2 0
 @iduckett: I read somewhere that the grip2 damper felt harsh in a Z1 coil and they preferred the Grip damper. I was tempted by the Grip2 VVD, but glad I held out…
..Let me know how you get on if you try the new damper, would love to know…
  • 1 0
 @Eland: Agreed I’ve heard that as well. Honestly I have no complaints about the Grip damper, except it being a little harder to return to a good setting from firm or open, on the sweep dial.
  • 2 0
 @iduckett: just put a silver sharpie mark at your preferred LSC
  • 1 0
 @vtracer: Haha I’ll have to bring one on my next ride! I change it fairly frequently.
  • 1 0
 I don’t see how giving the limited edition color to all the influencers instead of just racers, will work . For some reason it’s really off putting this go around.
  • 1 0
 I have seen lots of videos with the racers using gold forks. I'd have to imagine they will spend all season riding on them.
  • 1 0
 It's all been done before...How has everyone forgotten this already? www.pinkbike.com/news/must-watch-bryn-atkinson-in-gold-standard.html
  • 2 0
 More Dampening, simplifying tuneability, staying higher in travel while feeling "plush" - wait you just created an EXT Fork?
  • 2 2
 I’m perfectly happy with the charger 3 on my lyrik, will definitely I upgrade to the 3.1 damper once that’s released in 2025
  • 1 1
 more mis-matched gold colours! my shock body and stanchion already dont match each other, or the seat post, may aswell carry that theme on for the forks too!
  • 2 0
 Looks like Rock Shox Psyle Race 2001
  • 2 0
 It looks like it was created out of a shmelting accident...
  • 3 0
 Smoke and a pancake?
  • 2 0
 Can't wait for the shoot-out with the Charger 3.
  • 2 0
 Would look cooler with a gold crown and lowers with black stanchions
  • 1 0
 All Gold Everything.....Gold all in my chain, gold all in my rig Gold all in my watch - dont believe me just watch
  • 2 2
 Dear bike companies: Stop making names confusing. If you make a Grip damper, then new version of it shouldn't be Grip X2 GigaChad Pro Max Prime.
  • 1 0
 The 24mm base and 23 valves sounds very interesting, Hopefully there will be a performance elite model
\m/
  • 2 0
 That gold mismatching just makes me think page 6 of Aliexpress.
  • 2 0
 trying to sell more shit?
  • 1 0
 Kakashitman
  • 1 0
 Huge Fox fanboy here but this fork color choice is full Trump…and that’s not a compliment
  • 1 0
 When’s it gon be available?
  • 2 0
 I mean... Rheeder ran it on 2 of his bikes back in 2020 so that's not the first either... Shocktech did it back around 2000 I think. RS did it on the Judy I think in like 98... so I guess in-regards to "modern" suspension forks RS did it first...

What's your point?
  • 2 0
 @onemanarmy: I forgot about the Rheeder one, that was awesome.

No point, just seeing them reminded me of that full kashima bike.
  • 1 0
 @secondnarrowstroll: I don't care what BA is riding in his videos... I'd watch him ride a tricycle on repeat. Dudes style is insane.

BA's looked good though! Think his graphics were essentially black compared to these that are tonal.
  • 2 2
 So the latest Grip 2 is more like a Lyrik Ultimate RC2? I guess I keep the Lyrik den.
Kidding, Fox 49 for FTW!
  • 1 0
 I have Grip 1 damper on my bike. Can I still ride it?
  • 2 0
 Those prices though ...
  • 1 0
 Shiny!!! Going to have to have some skills to be able to rock those forks
  • 1 0
 Love the gold colour

But I’ll stick with my CC mk2’s thanks
  • 1 0
 full gold makes it looks like a stolen fork on second hand market
  • 1 0
 I wonder if you can convert a Grip 2 to the new X2 ?
  • 1 1
 @mikekazimer Fully closed compression is basically a lockout for climbing, not to be used for normal riding.
  • 1 0
 where is the single compression like performance or rythm?
  • 1 0
 I love gold! -- Goldmember
  • 12 12
 So forks now regularly cost the same or more than a frame? Holeeee fuk.
  • 6 0
 At the upper end of the product lines sure (pick a manufacturer) but there’s plenty of excellent forks for ~500USD these days as I’m sure you’re aware. I love my current fork but I’m certain I’d be just as happy on a coil sprung marzocchi with the basic grip damper. Give me a few rides to adjust and I’d still be just as meh as before. I think those Z1 coils are on sale under $400 somewhere too…
  • 11 0
 What top range frame are you finding for the same amount as a top range fork?
  • 7 1
 Where are you picking up high end frames for $1,200? I'll buy a couple.
  • 3 1
 @Kiowa008: plus, regular service! I recently did a lower leg service to my Z1 and holy moly, a way better fork! I will service it twice a year now, I'am sure! (Actually I won't)
  • 5 0
 @Muckal: Absolutely, this stuff is super expensive and if you keep your equipment for any length of time the maintenance is worth the cost. If you don’t factor maintenance cost into the price of the fork you’re fooling yourself too.
  • 2 0
 @Lostrodamus: also @pisgahgnar didn’t say top end…so excluding sale frames there are plenty around that mark. Although you may have to “settle” for a metal frame *gasp*
  • 2 1
 @Kiowa008: Then it's a massive false equivalence. I can find lower end hardtail frames for under $500..
  • 1 0
 @Lostrodamus: No doubt. I figured the reference was more to full suspension frames based off the price comparison pisgahgnar made. Still a bit exaggerated though
  • 1 0
 you must be buying cheap frames! i see 3-5k for a carbon frame these days
  • 2 0
 Cope and seethe because you can afford the highest-end fork available, or take advantage of the planned obsolescence to pick up a Z1 coil for $380: www.jensonusa.com/Marzocchi-Bomber-Z1-Coil-29-Fork

It’s not that you can’t afford a good fork, you just can’t afford the best fork.
  • 3 0
 @sfarnum: I believe you could pick that up and throw the new damper into it. Not necessarily "cheap" but could be better actually and still cost less if you want coil
  • 2 0
 @notsosikmik: That’s how my franken fork came to be. Started with a pre’21 36 Rhythm (kinda sorta a Z1 Air), installed a grip2 damper and later a Zocchi coil kit. Heavy but so good. Good while later I picked up the ‘21+ CSU/lowers and a push coil kit and then stripped and painted the lowers. Cheap would be the last thing I’d call it but it was a fun experiment at the time. Your route would be far more intelligent lol.
  • 1 1
 Of course the gold doesn't match
  • 3 4
 This might be great but we really need to stop "updating" suspension every year. It is nonsense.
  • 5 0
 Fox forks haven’t seen an internal update in a while. Grip2 was announced in ~2018 and the chassis has only changed once in what feels like forever a couple years ago.
  • 1 0
 The new Gorilla Grip
  • 1 1
 It probably works great but sure does look like baby poo brown
  • 1 0
 Looks pretty nice
  • 6 5
 Will the 36 still creak?
  • 1 1
 I don't think I would personally name anything x2 after they all blew out
  • 1 1
 Holy crap this week has just been shocking so far!
  • 2 2
 less weight is good
  • 1 3
 Grip2.5 and Grip3 would have made more sense. New and improved, one with LSR and one without, got it.
  • 4 0
 Grip X is for their "all mountain" line and pairs with the float X. Grip X2 is their enduro/DH line and pairs with the Float X2/DHX2.
  • 1 2
 At least they're not orange!
  • 1 2
 More take good, more kakashitman
  • 2 4
 Biggest upgrade could be trashing orange paint can.
  • 2 3
 no buttercups tho
  • 2 0
 Sir, this is a Wendy's.
  • 1 4
 No Fox 40 Grip X2?? Sad...
  • 2 0
 Yes, there is a Fox 40 Grip X2
  • 1 0
 I think it is offered in the 40.
  • 3 6
 I don't get it
  • 2 5
 Gold fork looks great
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