First Ride: Vee Tire Co Snap Trail - Bike Connection Winter 2020

Mar 4, 2020
by Dan Roberts  



Vee Tire started making bike tires just seven years ago, and it’s been a steep learning curve from their original fat bike tire. The company itself has however existed for much longer than that, starting in 1977 manufacturing rubber compounds, then moto tires and finally bicycle tires. Vee's bike tires are manufactured in Thailand and at the Bike Connection Winter 2020 event, we learned everything about the company and its new Snap Trail tire from a real contender in the coolest name in cycling, Veerawat Sukanjanapong, or as he is better known, "Bike". He’s the son of the founder and started the Vee Tire Co in 2013, focussing on bicycles.

The Snap Trail is a new tire from Vee, available in 27.5” and 29” diameters and at the moment only in a 2.35” wide version.

Snap Trail Details

Wheel Sizes: 27.5" & 29"
Width: 2.35" (60mm)
Casings: Enduro Core or Gravity Core
Compound: Top40 (Shore 42A +/- 2)
Bead: Folding
Recommended Rim Widths: 25 - 30mm (inner width)
Weight: 980g & 1100g for 27.5", 1040g & 1160g for 29" (claimed)
More info: Vee Tire Co

Design & Construction

Bike Connection Agency Winter 2020 Vee Tyre Co Photo Rupert Walker
Enduro Core casings are a single ply design with added reinforcement inside the tyre sides.
Bike Connection Agency Winter 2020 Vee Tyre Co Photo Rupert Walker
Top40 compound is the softest compound Vee produce for bikes, but so far has held up well with wear.

There are two options for casing, Enduro Core and Gravity Core. Enduro Core is a single 72 TPI ply with an added sidewall reinforcement dubbed Apex that sits inside the tire structure and reaches about halfway up the sidewall. The Gravity Core having two plys with an added reinforcement Vee call "Synthesis" to bring the total numbers of layers up to three. The Synthesis reinforcement sits further to the outside of the tire structure and reaches up closer to the base of the side knobs. The step up from Enduro Core to Gravity Core adds a claimed 120g to the tire.

There’s only one compound available at the moment, Vee’s Top40. This is their softest compound available and is designed to deliver slow rebound properties in a bid to maintain grip over roots, rocks and in the wet.

The tread pattern uses a squarer outer bock design, with alternating big rectangles to slightly smaller L-shaped blocks, both having sipes vertically along them. Small chamfers are present on the outermost edges. The centre knobs follow the alternating theme but go from wider spaced, more angled rectangles to narrower spaced trapezoids. Again, there are sipes in the blocks but they now alter between vertical on the wider-spaced knobs and horizontal for the tighter positioned ones. There’s aggressive ramping on the wider-spaced knobs and a good amount of tapering on the shape of the tighter spaced knobs.

Bike Connection Agency Winter 2020 Vee Tyre Co Photo Rupert Walker
Ramped centre knobs and an alternating narrow wide block arrangement.
Bike Connection Agency Winter 2020 Vee Tyre Co Photo Rupert Walker
Larger side knobs also alternate their design from rectangular to L shapes.

We tested a pair of 29 x 2.35 in Enduro Core and they came in a whole lot lighter than the claimed 1040g at 978g and 965g for each tire.

When pumped up to 25psi on a 30mm inner width rim, we measured a width of 60mm, which is bang on for what Vee say in their technical drawings. That also lines up very close with a 2.35” Schwalbe Magic Mary at 61mm. A 2.5” Maxxis Minnion DHF measures up a couple of millimetres wider at 63mm for comparison.

There’s a claimed outside diameter of 745mm for the 29” version, so you can use that to figure out your BB height on your own individual bikes. There was quite an interesting chat with Bike from Vee about the influence of tire construction on the final outside diameter. In many engineering projects, the diameters quoted by manufacturers would never be the same in real life. The thought that tire diameter should be quoted based on casing construction, rim width and pressure not just per model would help us all out. But I digress.

The seemingly light tire weight was a little alarming, as normally I ride much heavier tires with thicker and more reinforced construction. So, having a tire coming in around 190g lighter per tire had my eyebrows making funny shapes. But the Snap Trails turned out to pack a lot of punch for their deceptively low weight.

Fitting was a doddle and can be done by hand and only requires a few gentle pushes on a track pump to get them seated. I ran the same tire front and back.

The Snap Trail measures up true to its claimed size of 2.35" or 60mm.
An inflated view of the tread pattern, showing the alternating design on both the centre and side knobs.

Performance

The trails around the Bike Connection Agency event in Massa Marittima, Tuscany were fast, narrow and a whole lot of fun. The top section of the hill was a little flatter, with much more embedded rock sticking out of the ground in sharp and tire killing shapes. The middle was a bit steeper, with a more man-made touch. The hardpack ground rose and fell with little buckets here and there to really push into, mostly at sharp angles to try and rip the tires off. There were plenty of fast flat corners too, where the bike was leaned over and you were death gripping to maintain speed. Down at the bottom the trails flattened out a bit as you traversed back to the camp and so keeping speed and a good dose of pedalling were needed.

For all but one ride, the trails were dry. Recent rains had got rid of any severe dust and had put the conditions into that perfect zone of dry enough not to need to wash your bike but not so dry that it was a dust bowl. Our final ride, however, was after a night-long downpour, so we managed to see how the tires performed on the slick rock and damped single trails.

Bike Connection Agency Winter 2020 Vee Tyre Co Photo Rupert Walker

With the elevation in Massa Marittima not being ginormous, the trail builders have really taken advantage of every meter of the hill. And having a tire that rolls fast is a benefit to having a high overall speed and leaving your energy to darting through the trees rather than overcoming a sluggish tire. The Snap Trails roll fantastically well for a tire of that width and compound softness with the ramped centre knobs helping out.

With that, pedalling wasn’t a chore on them either, although the ramped shape that aids the rolling speed did lose a bit of grip when you were climbing a steeper pitch with out of the saddle pedalling. When smoother seated climbing there were no issues with grip, even on wet slimy roots that would traverse the trail at awkward angles.

On the sharper rockier sections of trail, where not braking enabled you to carry more speed on the flatter portion of the hill, the tires gripped well and also offered no pinging tendencies. Pressures were 23psi front and 26psi rear and set up tubeless. And despite their light weight I suffered zero punctures while out riding in Tuscany.

On the faster sections of trail, hitting into pockets and support with force the tires further impressed. No burping occurred despite our best efforts and there was no feeling of flimsiness from the tire in these situations. Which then egged you on to push harder into the same spot on the next run.

Bike Connection Agency Winter 2020 Vee Tyre Co Photo Rupert Walker

Flat cornering was probably the most impressive trait of the tires. All tires will lose grip at some point, and it’s arguably in this limit situation where you find tires get divided into brilliant and terrible. Really leaned over and at speed the Snap Trails had a beautiful amount of feedback. Between that feeling of total grip and hitting the deck they have a wonderfully wide transition zone that enables and encourages you to play with lean angles and entry speeds all the while feeling if you’re not pushing enough or pushing your luck too far. There was never a sudden surprise lack of grip, where by you felt you’d be on your face in the blink of an eye.

In the wet they gave the same got-your-back feeling, even on the freshly wetted rocks and roots and you could lift your eyeline and just let off with a nice confidence that they weren’t going to do anything out of the blue.

After four days of riding the tires still look fresh, exhibiting no signs of wear in either the braking zones and edges or at the base of the side knobs from leaning the them over and pushing hard. This is all despite having the softest compound Vee offer at a hardness of 40. The compound coming from their experience in drag racing cars.

Giving a bit of a comparison to the more well-known Schwalbe Magic Mary, the Snap Trail definitely rolls a bit quicker for the same tire width and soft compound feel. But what the Snap Trails gain in rolling speed the Magic Marys gain in all around bite into the ground. Both work excellently and neither hold back your confidence, but the Snap Trail would help a bike maintain some trail zippiness without sacrificing much grip.

I’ve brought a pair back to Champéry and am looking forward to riding them on the different terrains in the Alps to see if our holiday romance from Tuscany continues.

Bike Connection Agency Winter 2020 Vee Tyre Co Photo Luigi Sestili
Pinkbike hot patched up tires were a little surprise waiting at the Bike Connection Winter 2020 event. Rest assured, they will get ridden!



106 Comments

  • 54 8
 Unless it's like $45 and performs as well as a Minion, 60% of the time, I'm getting a Minion EVERY time.
  • 16 12
 Magic Mary?
  • 20 1
 You guys have to expand your horizons. I love a good minion but bought the DH version of these and they are fantastic, the tackiest compound I have ever felt for sure.
  • 9 0
 "They've done studies you know. 60% of the time, it works every time." Brian Fantana
  • 6 1
 @Kamba6: those side knobs don't like staying on the tire very long
  • 5 2
 Copying a minion is old hat, Assegai leaves it for dead
  • 2 0
 @artistformlyknowasdan: I guess it depends on the type of terrain you ride. I ride mainly natural soft dirt rather than hardpack and I never had those issues. A d i always go for the soft back a d super soft front. I did notice some increased wear after a week in Valnord but no knobs were missing
  • 2 0
 @Jackson900: I totally agree. I felt way more grip and confidence from the WCEs than the Minions exo
  • 4 0
 @Kamba6: for sure - when i use to live on the east coast tires lasted a lot longer. Now I'm in the Rockies, literally torn the side knobs off Magic Mary in about 50 miles of riding in the trailstar compound. There are certain rubber compounds / brands just don't hold up out here. I use to run Maxxis super tacky on my dh rig, now I avoid it like the plague
  • 2 1
 @artistformlyknowasdan: Some guy started bragging to me about how his brand new Magic Mary's were a much better tire than my Minions, and much cheaper. At the bottom of the first run on a brand new set of tires, one of his side knobs was completely torn off. That was the last time I ever considered Shwalbe tires..
  • 1 0
 Oh, snap!
  • 30 0
 When you guys review tires, can you ride them until wear patterns on side knobs start to show? Some side knobs rip at the bottom over time, which means sudden loss of traction in corners because of knob fold, and some side knobs wear evenly along the inside length, which means gradual loss of traction over time and lower chances of a fold-over crash. For those of us who are trying to stretch our dollars this is really valuable info.
  • 9 0
 Only had enough ride time in to give a first ride style impression, rather than a full on review. But the insight you're after is for sure something we'll cover in a full review. I also like getting every last ounce of grip out of a tyre before it goes in the bin!
  • 11 5
 I've only ever got knob fold when I'm hammering a v really hard.
  • 2 0
 I once wore my knob bare at the base.......um, but, it was not black.......
  • 1 0
 I wore out a dissector and it had the bottoms all rip in about 6 months riding most weekends
  • 1 0
 @RoadStain: Bare knob on the base? No reprimands for indecent exposure?
  • 30 5
 Why is nobody copying Continental or Kenda tires? This is discrimination!
  • 28 10
 cause they succ
  • 12 7
 @colincolin: The old school Nevegal was good, but there are much better tires now.
  • 9 1
 They are. The Specialized Eliminator for instance has a thread design very similar to the Kenda Hellkat. And the Vittoria Barzo was certainly inspired by the Continental X-King.
  • 5 12
flag WAKIdesigns (Mar 4, 2020 at 7:33) (Below Threshold)
 @Ttimer: yeah Italians from the North have a soft spot for dodgy German stuff. XKing? Hahaha. One of the worst tires made in recent years. It sucks even as a rear tire! Makes sense for Specialized and Vittoria though, other two tire brands nobody will ever copy
  • 16 1
 @tacklingdummy: The old school Nevegal was "OK" at the time it was released, but horrible by today's standards.
  • 4 2
 @mammal: At that time Nokian NBX was a good tire Big Grin what was their competition? Conti Diesel? Hahah
  • 6 1
 Specialized Butcher?
  • 10 3
 @WAKIdesigns: As is often the case, you seem to have absolutely no clue what you are talking about. The X-King hasn't been in production for several years, so much for "recent". It was also extremely successful as a tyre for wet-weather XC-racing. Responsible for many international podium placements.
  • 3 16
flag WAKIdesigns (Mar 4, 2020 at 8:06) (Below Threshold)
 @Ttimer: If you think XKing (sorry Cross King oh you got me, oh you did!) is worth anything and then back it up with a bunch of Transalpers use it (to their disadvantage) we have nothing to talk about. The sole fact you mention this tire in wet means you have zero clue and you are fully entitled to stay in your bubble.
  • 2 9
flag WAKIdesigns (Mar 4, 2020 at 8:30) (Below Threshold)
 Almost everything is wrong with this tire. center pattern with no gaps, wierdly oriented side knobs with intermediate being closer to them, shitty compound, speed casing is toilet paper, protection sucks to seal and all of them get warped . it clogs with mu and I have never owned anything that spun out on dry roots, let alone wet ones. Cornering, fk it's a joke. It's a joke. We even told a friend to change those tires or we will stop riding with her. Yes I have owned it, bought it together with that turd Mking2, which they just revamped and made even worse! Another conti tire I have owned: race king on DJ bike - warped instantly, and Rubber Queen aka Trail King, holy sht... Der Baron is the only MTB thing worth buying from them as a mud tire, still faints in comparison to Magic Mary. Bontrager XR2 shares similar pattern but similarity is very deceptive. Possibly best Intermediate XC tire VS possibly worst. it may fight with Rocket Ron.
  • 4 0
 @WAKIdesigns: @WAKIdesigns: @WAKIdesigns: I get better durability from my Conti's than I do Maxxis or Shwalbe. Specialized and Vittoria aren't even on my radar. The prices are comparable as well.
  • 8 0
 @enduroelite: conti der baron projekt is probably my favorite all rounder.
  • 1 0
 @WAKIdesigns: Michelin Comp 16/21/32 were all much better than Nevegal. Minions after 2002/03, were obviously better.
  • 3 0
 @mammal: worst tire i have ever ridden was a nevegal. garbage.
  • 4 0
 @Ttimer: I'll have to check out the Hellkat then. I've been running an Eliminator up front for about a year now, and have been really happy with it, but I still have a soft spot for Kenda from the Nevagil's glory days.
  • 1 3
 @gibspaulding: since you are into such pattern with intermediate knobs, have you ever considered Assegai or Magic Mary?
  • 2 1
 @mammal: Refer to comment "The old school Nevegal was good, but there are much better tires now." You just echoed my exact comment in your own words. Lol.
  • 1 1
 @enduroelite:
Conti's seem to wear like iron, but when I ran a Der Baron front and mountain king rear, both with Protection Apex casings, they felt really slippery wet on roots and rocks. Then the first dry day I warped the mountain king so bad it would barely spin through the chain stays. I got them for a winter set up, so that didn't work out so well.

I just swapped back to my favorite mid height summer rear(Vittoria Morsa) and dealt with the occasional lack of bite in the mud in the rear. And threw a DHF back on up front and deal with the mud issue on the front too. Way better on wet rocks and roots though, which are the real problem in my opinion around the PNW. I would prefer a better front for the mud, but didn't feel like buying a winter front twice in one season.
  • 3 0
 @tacklingdummy: Picking knits, I know, but OK is not good. Nav's were just barely acceptable. At least for gravity applications, they were certainly less than good.
  • 3 0
 I don't use them because of casing problems in the past but I have to admit Conti has the best rubber in business for me. Sticks to greasy n shore roots really well and lasts forever.
  • 1 0
 @mammal: Back then they were great. I got some of my PRs on a few very reputable DH segments in Santa Cruz area on the Nevegals and haven't broke them since. I still feel like I am faster on the newer tires. Doh!!
  • 3 0
 @kanasasa: i agree but i think their newer casings are top notch. 180 tpi between 3 layers.
  • 1 0
 the shorty 3c I run in the front identifies as a nevegal, and I'm ok with it Smile
  • 1 0
 @MeloBikeCO: sounds like you would love a shorty in the front all year round.
  • 1 0
 @ismasan:
I've always meant to try one in the winter. It would be too slow for me in the summer. I've tried to get away with a Morsa up front in the summer, which was actually alright if you lean the bike enough, it basically feels like a faster rolling high roller 2 without as big of a drift zone. I've also tried a nobby nic up front in the summer, but didn't like the lack of a channel. DHF just works for me most of the time for a front.
  • 1 0
 @gibspaulding: I have been on the Eliminator front and rear for a year also. I love them. Very good grip and very predictable. They telegraph very well in my opinion. I can always tell what they are doing.
  • 1 0
 @MeloBikeCO: That hasnt been my experience with Conti tires. Lots of wet and mud up here in Quebec Canada and I've got Contis on all of my bikes. I use the Black chili compound and like it, very comfortable and grippy. They corner exceptionally well too.
  • 2 1
 @mammal: Navegals are terrible.
  • 1 0
 @enduroelite:
I probably would have kept running them except for warping the casing on the rear tire, that happened the first time on some good dirt. The casing tore internally just above the bead for about 4 inches. That did not inspire much confidence in them on the rear of the bike. I've seen Maxxis warp as well, but only when something pretty exciting has happened. It happened to me with the Conti, on a flowy trail with small jumps and some berms. They are probably fine tires, I have had only great experiences with conti's on my road bike and car.

There are just a lot of other options that are great, and some are lower cost, so I would need a pretty big incentive to try again. Not as big of an incentive as it would take to try Schwalbe tires again, but still an incentive.
  • 1 0
 @garrisond5:
The eliminators look really interesting, I just find it annoying to need to go to a Specialized shop to get their tires. The local ones are not the shops that I typically go to.
  • 1 0
 @MeloBikeCO: I completely agree, but they work really well and bonus, you don't have tires that look like they belong in Nascar with a thousand ugly hot patches all over them. I will NEVER buy a maxxis tire for that very reason. I hate the color yellow so much I won't even eat a banana.
  • 1 0
 @garrisond5:
I just don't wash my tires off that often, so they look a lot like the banana I'm eating right now... delicious.
  • 2 0
 @garrisond5: You'd just love the new michelin offerings...
  • 1 0
 @mammal: those things are just terrible. Maybe give people an option for a stealth sidewall?? Worse advertising but better sales??? Who knows. I do know I'll never buy them as they are.
  • 2 0
 @garrisond5: Yeah, I'm not a huge fan of enormous brand logos, but I can't really be arsed either way when it comes to tires. Best performance/value wins for me, as most of the year their covered in mud or dust anyway.
  • 2 0
 @garrisond5:
I'm more focused on you needing to get your potassium, the tire thing is, whatever.

You can get bananas in other colors like red.

optimumnaturae.blogspot.com/2015/07/did-you-know-that-there-are-also-red.html?m=1

And Blue

www.google.com/amp/s/iheartintelligence.com/strange-soft-blue-bananas-taste-like-vanilla-ice-cream/amp

I actually kinda want some of those blue ones myself.
  • 20 0
 Vee Snap should have been tested by D. Sapp.
  • 9 0
 "The tread pattern uses a squarer outer bock design, with alternating big rectangles to slightly smaller L-shaped blocks, both having sipes vertically along them. Small chamfers are present on the outermost edges. The centre knobs follow the alternating theme but go from wider spaced, more angled rectangles to narrower spaced trapezoids. Again, there are sipes in the blocks but they now alter between vertical on the wider-spaced knobs and horizontal for the tighter positioned ones. There’s aggressive ramping on the wider-spaced knobs and a good amount of tapering on the shape of the tighter spaced knobs."

That is one of the most detailed tread pattern descriptions I have ever seen. I could visualize what he was saying and when I scrolled to the picture it was pretty much what was in my head.

I don't say this often on Pinkbike, but if those were truly Dan's words and not from the marketing group of vee, then that is some great writing!
  • 3 0
 I skimmed through that paragraph and thought that it seemed like far too much for something which could have been stated in five words:

It looks like a minion.

Smile
  • 6 0
 After using the flow snap for over a year and now running the snap wce I can't wait to get a set of these on my bike. I've used schwalbe mm/nn, and maxxis minions, high rollers and shortys etc etc. The snap wce offers so much more grip in my opinion, but at a weight penalty. With these coming is at over 300g per tyre lighter while maintaining the 40a compound and same tread patter they are going to be so good
  • 3 0
 With 40a compound, how can they roll as fast as a Magic Mary "soft"? I have diesen some tires with 40a or 42a compound, and none of them rolled like you wanted to pedal it uphill or on Tuscany flowtrails.
Compare it to a Minion DHF/DHR Maxxgrip, please.
  • 2 0
 Maxx Grip is 42a center with 42a shoulders if you believe the marketing. Vee states plus or minus 2a which seems to be more believable to me. The real question; do the Vee tires hold their shape after one berm slap? Most of the Maxxis tires don’t, including the wire bead dhf dh casing.
  • 2 2
 Tread pattern has as much to do with rolling speed as compound.
  • 3 0
 @mitchgulliver: Not really. Check out www.bicyclerollingresistance.com
I was surprised to learn how little relevance tread pattern actually has for rolling speed. Which also explains why the DHR2 rolls just as well as the Aggressor or Minion SS.
  • 1 1
 @Ttimer: that website isn’t the best at determining mountain bike tires rolling resistance. They use a tube, instead of tubeless, and roll the tire on a steel drum. The test really shows how the compound plays with the steel drum.

There are crazy outliers such as the nobby nick and the Hans dampf that would appear to have better rolling resistance than some of the best Xc race tires which is just incorrect.
  • 2 0
 "Giving a bit of a comparison to the more well-known Schwalbe Magic Mary, the Snap Trail definitely rolls a bit quicker for the same tire width and soft compound feel". Please specify the model you're comparing it too. Snakeskin/Supergravity/DH Casing in Soft or UltraSoft? I can hardly believe a ~40a Compound rolls quicker than a Schwalbe "Addix Soft". They roll ridiculously fast for a fairly soft compound
  • 12 9
 Hey Pinkbike, How about a fat tire (on snow and ice) review/comparison? Even more, how about Fat Bike reviews/shootouts? Got to be as relevant as E-bikes.
  • 5 0
 Two years ago maybe...
  • 1 0
 Unfortunatly, it seems that PBs readers have decided that fatbikes arnt mountain bikes. Couple years ago there was a fatbike video on here, and i caught so much hate for saying that it, and fatbikes, were cool. I guess everyone on here lives where it doesnt snow. To me, getting to ride bikes in the woods all year long is awesome, but it seems like no one else saw it that way. It seemed like everyone was telling me that it was cooler to only ride 6 months a year than it was to ride a fatbike.
  • 1 0
 @Torbo24: fat bikes aren’t selling like they were. If you live in an area like I do where it snows and melts away several times a winter, fat bikes just create ice trails that take several days longer to recover for everyone else to use. Not to mention the usable window on ungroomed trails is only a few inches more than normal or plus bikes. Turned into the rare N-1 situation.
  • 1 0
 All the serious riders in these parts(Michigan) have fatbikes. Or wish they did. No real riders have ebikes. Skis don't make much sense, due to flip flop conditions, but we ride year round. PB are marketing shills. Headed toward irrelevance.
  • 6 1
 Did they come up with the name when they were testing them on enve wheels
  • 5 0
 Those are some heavy ass Minions.
  • 1 0
 I'm not sure I'm good with the weight of these relative to other options, but I dont have the figures at hand.

Are there a few other standout trail/enduro tires these days (beyond Maxxis)? I've seen continental mentioned and Michellin but have no experience with them.
  • 2 0
 I've had great experiences with Vittoria tires. Morsa rear is a great tire. I have heard from those that I trust that the Martello and Mota are also great tires. I want to try the agarro/mezcal combo for my long distance bike.

Specialized makes some really good tires. I personally like some of the new Kenda tires (Hellkat, Helldiver for the fun bike, Regolith, and Booster for the long distance bike) and I know that WTB tires work out for people. I got scared away from Schwalbe by their super high prices and personally having a bunch of tire failures in rapid succession with their tires, since then I think they have changed the compounds and casings, but there are great options that are cheaper, so....

I think it really depends on where you live because of the different soils though.

Maxxis sort of has every type of tire under the sun for MTB's and pretty great casings, that is why you see them all the time. I really hope companies like Vee Tire here are able to get more really good tires on the market at a better price point though, that would be great for everyone.
  • 1 1
 For an all terrain, all season front tyre, the Magic Mary is hard to beat. Better in the soft and loose than the Minions but still good on hardpack. Conti are a bit more terrain specific, Baron is good on soft, Kaiser is good on hardpack. WTB are also getting good press right now. Too heavy for my taste but some people really like them.
  • 1 0
 @Ttimer:
I just got burned by Schwalbe tires too many times to try them again, especially for how expensive they are. Never ran a Magic Mary, but had multiple failures on Rock Razors(Snakeskin in 3 rides tore through the sidewall at the bead, had a Super Gravity last for a while before the sidewall tore just below the tread), a Hans Dampf that picked up a sidewall slash on it's first ride, and then died on it's 10th ride by getting a 2 inch long gash through the tread, riding on a paved road, while suffering from the missing side nobs problem they had for a while. The amount of sidewall flex on any of the snakeskin casings was always very amazing, tried a 2.35 nobby nic on the rear for a minute, but couldn't handle the sidewall flex. Their plus size tires I rode on demo bikes, were so flexy I still would feel like I had a flat rear tire at 36 psi(2.8 Nobby Nic) where I can run 19 psi in Maxxis DHR 2.8 and 3.0 Kenda rears that I've used. They also made the scariest front tire ever, the newer version of the Fat Albert, never tried a tire that pulled off a total lack of straight line braking traction better than that tire.

The only other tire that I have wounded is a Protection Apex casing Conti that I warped first day, once it wasn't wet out. All my Maxxis, Vittoria, and Kenda tires that I've used have just worn out eventually.
  • 1 0
 @MeloBikeCO: Note that I only recommended the Magic Mary. Not convinced by most of the other Schwalbe tyres. (except Dirty Dan is cool, too)

As to your other issues, it sounds like you just got unlucky. Pretty much any lab test, long term review and my personal experience say that snakeskin and EXO casings are for all intents and purposes equivalent. Same for DD and super gravity. The ripping side knobs can be an issue, but I heard the same complaint about other tyres too, so im not sure how schwalbe specific that is.
Also not sure what you rode but there was never a Rock razor in Super Gravity casing.
  • 1 0
 @Ttimer:
I guess it is possible I was just unlucky with only one brand of tire, but never other brands. I've known a ton of people that the only tire they consider for the front in the winter is a MM, and have never had any of the problems I have had with their other tires.

The knob shedding problem from Schwalbe was wild when it was happening, and rumor was that an ingredient was left out if the rubber mix for a little bit which made it a terrible problem for a little bit with the Schwalbe tires. Saw so many warrantied tires during that time.

As far as sidewall flex, I've only ever run EXO casing from Maxxis, and they are a lot more resistant to flexing. Just feeling them when they are off the bike you can feel the difference in sidewall stiffness. I always kinda liked the super gravity casing better than the DD casing as the Super Gravity casing felt more pliable up near the tread while just as reinforced at the bead.

The Rock Razor always had a Super Gravity casing as far as I know and was my first exposure to Schwalbe tires, along with being my best experience with them. Here is a review that talks about the casing.

m.pinkbike.com/news/schwalbe-rock-razor-tire-reviewed-2014.html

Super Gravity and DH casing was the only way to get the grippy compound with the Rock Razor.

You can still buy them that way with the new addix rubber.

www.chainreactioncycles.com/mobile/us/en/schwalbe-rock-razor-addix-mtb-tyre-supergravity/rp-prod160961
  • 1 0
 @MeloBikeCO: You are right, there is a SG rock razor. Must have missed it because of the soft compound, which is a bit weird for a supposedly fast rolling semi slick.

While the exo and snakeskin casings feel slighted different in the hand, I never noticed a difference while riding.

But anyway, I’m not trying to get you to run Schwalbe tyres, it just seemed strange that you had such a streak of bad experiences. You also mentioned that they are expensive where you live. I probably also wouldn’t pay extra for a magic Mary, there are just too many good tyres around nowadays.
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 @Ttimer:
The wear rate is a little bit higher but the rolling resistance was fine with that version of the Rock Razor.

Schwalbe are $92 MSRP
Maxxis around $82
Vittoria around $69.99
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 Looks like a minion.
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 It's Minion NT
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 Minion 2: Reverse Boogaloo
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 Minion 2: Attack of the Clones
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 Any chance of some butterscotch tires....I cant be the only retro fan who wants to bring these back? In the mean time I have to make do with white and tan Onza Porcupines.
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 Those, and all the other colours from my BMXin' youth.
Do different pigments negatively affect the properties of the rubber compounds? (Science people please advise)
I want green tires!
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 Enduro core is just the equivalent of EXO. Until companies can mimic the Maxxis double down casing (Continental has a terrific enduro casing), every tire is hard pass from me.
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 Am I the only one who was riding Vee rubber 20 years ago? What is this nonsense that they began manufacturing bicycle tires 7 years ago?
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 Quality tires, I'd only seen Vee rubber on big box bikes
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 I rode Flow Snaps a few years ago and loved them, my only beef was how fast they wore out. If that's been fixed I'll definitely give these a try.
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 Remember, Vee made Intense’s Sticky Rubber tires — which Kovarik used to demolish the competition by 10-14 seconds several times at the World Cup level.
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 how long ago was this?
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 @enduroelite: 1999ish to 2004ish — unless I was told wrong by a guy in-the-know back then...but it makes sense considering Vee’s later public relationship with Intense Tire Systems, and the fact that Vee took over ITS’s tire line, rebranded as Vee. I’ll ask Jeff Steeber next time I talk to him. But that’s what I was told by my team manager in 1999 or 2000, right after Jeff gave me a pair of prototype Intense Sticky Rubber / Stealth Rubber Intense tires at the Park City NORBA. I’m guessing that this new compound is a derivative of their Stealth / Sticky Rubber. I had a pair of 2018ish Vee tires with this compound and it was the grippiest tire I’ve used since those early Intense tires — very similar rubber characteristics, but the new compound seemed to be a little tougher, more durable, and was slightly less “sticky” — probably just some rubber additives to improve tire life.
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 It doesn't look like anything to me
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 As a reviewer, i would be suspicious of specially marked review tyres. Particularly if they come from a new company. Those may or may not be representative of the stuff consumers actually get to buy.
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 The Pinkbike one's are still on my workshop bench.
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 Vee isn’t exactly a new company.
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 Pair the snap with : Slayer, Pole, carbon fiber rims
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 I thought YT bikes had exclusive rights to ‘Snap’?
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 I will ride nothing but Minion DH-F/ Mission SS in 29x2.35....fastest rolling, most well rounded, grippiest tire combo. no contest
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 Looks like a DHF.
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 I had a pretty bad experience of a vee tyre. won't be going back for more!
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 THEY will pry my minions from my cold, dead hands!
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 Bontrager se5 best tire out there
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 I’m down to try one of these in the thick casing for the back tire.
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