Vee Tire started making bike tires just seven years ago, and it’s been a steep learning curve from their original fat bike tire. The company itself has however existed for much longer than that, starting in 1977 manufacturing rubber compounds, then moto tires and finally bicycle tires. Vee's bike tires are manufactured in Thailand and at the Bike Connection Winter 2020 event, we learned everything about the company and its new Snap Trail tire from a real contender in the coolest name in cycling, Veerawat Sukanjanapong, or as he is better known, "Bike". He’s the son of the founder and started the Vee Tire Co in 2013, focussing on bicycles.
The Snap Trail is a new tire from Vee, available in 27.5” and 29” diameters and at the moment only in a 2.35” wide version.
Snap Trail DetailsWheel Sizes: 27.5" & 29"
Width: 2.35" (60mm)
Casings: Enduro Core or Gravity Core
Compound: Top40 (Shore 42A +/- 2)
Bead: Folding
Recommended Rim Widths: 25 - 30mm (inner width)
Weight: 980g & 1100g for 27.5", 1040g & 1160g for 29" (claimed)
More info: Vee Tire Co Design & Construction There are two options for casing, Enduro Core and Gravity Core. Enduro Core is a single 72 TPI ply with an added sidewall reinforcement dubbed Apex that sits inside the tire structure and reaches about halfway up the sidewall. The Gravity Core having two plys with an added reinforcement Vee call "Synthesis" to bring the total numbers of layers up to three. The Synthesis reinforcement sits further to the outside of the tire structure and reaches up closer to the base of the side knobs. The step up from Enduro Core to Gravity Core adds a claimed 120g to the tire.
There’s only one compound available at the moment, Vee’s Top40. This is their softest compound available and is designed to deliver slow rebound properties in a bid to maintain grip over roots, rocks and in the wet.
The tread pattern uses a squarer outer bock design, with alternating big rectangles to slightly smaller L-shaped blocks, both having sipes vertically along them. Small chamfers are present on the outermost edges. The centre knobs follow the alternating theme but go from wider spaced, more angled rectangles to narrower spaced trapezoids. Again, there are sipes in the blocks but they now alter between vertical on the wider-spaced knobs and horizontal for the tighter positioned ones. There’s aggressive ramping on the wider-spaced knobs and a good amount of tapering on the shape of the tighter spaced knobs.
We tested a pair of 29 x 2.35 in Enduro Core and they came in a whole lot lighter than the claimed 1040g at 978g and 965g for each tire.
When pumped up to 25psi on a 30mm inner width rim, we measured a width of 60mm, which is bang on for what Vee say in their technical drawings. That also lines up very close with a 2.35” Schwalbe Magic Mary at 61mm. A 2.5” Maxxis Minnion DHF measures up a couple of millimetres wider at 63mm for comparison.
There’s a claimed outside diameter of 745mm for the 29” version, so you can use that to figure out your BB height on your own individual bikes. There was quite an interesting chat with Bike from Vee about the influence of tire construction on the final outside diameter. In many engineering projects, the diameters quoted by manufacturers would never be the same in real life. The thought that tire diameter should be quoted based on casing construction, rim width and pressure not just per model would help us all out. But I digress.
The seemingly light tire weight was a little alarming, as normally I ride much heavier tires with thicker and more reinforced construction. So, having a tire coming in around 190g lighter per tire had my eyebrows making funny shapes. But the Snap Trails turned out to pack a lot of punch for their deceptively low weight.
Fitting was a doddle and can be done by hand and only requires a few gentle pushes on a track pump to get them seated. I ran the same tire front and back.
Performance The trails around the Bike Connection Agency event in Massa Marittima, Tuscany were fast, narrow and a whole lot of fun. The top section of the hill was a little flatter, with much more embedded rock sticking out of the ground in sharp and tire killing shapes. The middle was a bit steeper, with a more man-made touch. The hardpack ground rose and fell with little buckets here and there to really push into, mostly at sharp angles to try and rip the tires off. There were plenty of fast flat corners too, where the bike was leaned over and you were death gripping to maintain speed. Down at the bottom the trails flattened out a bit as you traversed back to the camp and so keeping speed and a good dose of pedalling were needed.
For all but one ride, the trails were dry. Recent rains had got rid of any severe dust and had put the conditions into that perfect zone of dry enough not to need to wash your bike but not so dry that it was a dust bowl. Our final ride, however, was after a night-long downpour, so we managed to see how the tires performed on the slick rock and damped single trails.
With the elevation in Massa Marittima not being ginormous, the trail builders have really taken advantage of every meter of the hill. And having a tire that rolls fast is a benefit to having a high overall speed and leaving your energy to darting through the trees rather than overcoming a sluggish tire. The Snap Trails roll fantastically well for a tire of that width and compound softness with the ramped centre knobs helping out.
With that, pedalling wasn’t a chore on them either, although the ramped shape that aids the rolling speed did lose a bit of grip when you were climbing a steeper pitch with out of the saddle pedalling. When smoother seated climbing there were no issues with grip, even on wet slimy roots that would traverse the trail at awkward angles.
On the sharper rockier sections of trail, where not braking enabled you to carry more speed on the flatter portion of the hill, the tires gripped well and also offered no pinging tendencies. Pressures were 23psi front and 26psi rear and set up tubeless. And despite their light weight I suffered zero punctures while out riding in Tuscany.
On the faster sections of trail, hitting into pockets and support with force the tires further impressed. No burping occurred despite our best efforts and there was no feeling of flimsiness from the tire in these situations. Which then egged you on to push harder into the same spot on the next run.
Flat cornering was probably the most impressive trait of the tires. All tires will lose grip at some point, and it’s arguably in this limit situation where you find tires get divided into brilliant and terrible. Really leaned over and at speed the Snap Trails had a beautiful amount of feedback. Between that feeling of total grip and hitting the deck they have a wonderfully wide transition zone that enables and encourages you to play with lean angles and entry speeds all the while feeling if you’re not pushing enough or pushing your luck too far. There was never a sudden surprise lack of grip, where by you felt you’d be on your face in the blink of an eye.
In the wet they gave the same got-your-back feeling, even on the freshly wetted rocks and roots and you could lift your eyeline and just let off with a nice confidence that they weren’t going to do anything out of the blue.
After four days of riding the tires still look fresh, exhibiting no signs of wear in either the braking zones and edges or at the base of the side knobs from leaning the them over and pushing hard. This is all despite having the softest compound Vee offer at a hardness of 40. The compound coming from their experience in drag racing cars.
Giving a bit of a comparison to the more well-known Schwalbe Magic Mary, the Snap Trail definitely rolls a bit quicker for the same tire width and soft compound feel. But what the Snap Trails gain in rolling speed the Magic Marys gain in all around bite into the ground. Both work excellently and neither hold back your confidence, but the Snap Trail would help a bike maintain some trail zippiness without sacrificing much grip.
I’ve brought a pair back to Champéry and am looking forward to riding them on the different terrains in the Alps to see if our holiday romance from Tuscany continues.
Conti's seem to wear like iron, but when I ran a Der Baron front and mountain king rear, both with Protection Apex casings, they felt really slippery wet on roots and rocks. Then the first dry day I warped the mountain king so bad it would barely spin through the chain stays. I got them for a winter set up, so that didn't work out so well.
I just swapped back to my favorite mid height summer rear(Vittoria Morsa) and dealt with the occasional lack of bite in the mud in the rear. And threw a DHF back on up front and deal with the mud issue on the front too. Way better on wet rocks and roots though, which are the real problem in my opinion around the PNW. I would prefer a better front for the mud, but didn't feel like buying a winter front twice in one season.
I've always meant to try one in the winter. It would be too slow for me in the summer. I've tried to get away with a Morsa up front in the summer, which was actually alright if you lean the bike enough, it basically feels like a faster rolling high roller 2 without as big of a drift zone. I've also tried a nobby nic up front in the summer, but didn't like the lack of a channel. DHF just works for me most of the time for a front.
I probably would have kept running them except for warping the casing on the rear tire, that happened the first time on some good dirt. The casing tore internally just above the bead for about 4 inches. That did not inspire much confidence in them on the rear of the bike. I've seen Maxxis warp as well, but only when something pretty exciting has happened. It happened to me with the Conti, on a flowy trail with small jumps and some berms. They are probably fine tires, I have had only great experiences with conti's on my road bike and car.
There are just a lot of other options that are great, and some are lower cost, so I would need a pretty big incentive to try again. Not as big of an incentive as it would take to try Schwalbe tires again, but still an incentive.
The eliminators look really interesting, I just find it annoying to need to go to a Specialized shop to get their tires. The local ones are not the shops that I typically go to.
I just don't wash my tires off that often, so they look a lot like the banana I'm eating right now... delicious.
I'm more focused on you needing to get your potassium, the tire thing is, whatever.
You can get bananas in other colors like red.
optimumnaturae.blogspot.com/2015/07/did-you-know-that-there-are-also-red.html?m=1
And Blue
www.google.com/amp/s/iheartintelligence.com/strange-soft-blue-bananas-taste-like-vanilla-ice-cream/amp
I actually kinda want some of those blue ones myself.
That is one of the most detailed tread pattern descriptions I have ever seen. I could visualize what he was saying and when I scrolled to the picture it was pretty much what was in my head.
I don't say this often on Pinkbike, but if those were truly Dan's words and not from the marketing group of vee, then that is some great writing!
It looks like a minion.
Compare it to a Minion DHF/DHR Maxxgrip, please.
I was surprised to learn how little relevance tread pattern actually has for rolling speed. Which also explains why the DHR2 rolls just as well as the Aggressor or Minion SS.
There are crazy outliers such as the nobby nick and the Hans dampf that would appear to have better rolling resistance than some of the best Xc race tires which is just incorrect.
Are there a few other standout trail/enduro tires these days (beyond Maxxis)? I've seen continental mentioned and Michellin but have no experience with them.
Specialized makes some really good tires. I personally like some of the new Kenda tires (Hellkat, Helldiver for the fun bike, Regolith, and Booster for the long distance bike) and I know that WTB tires work out for people. I got scared away from Schwalbe by their super high prices and personally having a bunch of tire failures in rapid succession with their tires, since then I think they have changed the compounds and casings, but there are great options that are cheaper, so....
I think it really depends on where you live because of the different soils though.
Maxxis sort of has every type of tire under the sun for MTB's and pretty great casings, that is why you see them all the time. I really hope companies like Vee Tire here are able to get more really good tires on the market at a better price point though, that would be great for everyone.
I just got burned by Schwalbe tires too many times to try them again, especially for how expensive they are. Never ran a Magic Mary, but had multiple failures on Rock Razors(Snakeskin in 3 rides tore through the sidewall at the bead, had a Super Gravity last for a while before the sidewall tore just below the tread), a Hans Dampf that picked up a sidewall slash on it's first ride, and then died on it's 10th ride by getting a 2 inch long gash through the tread, riding on a paved road, while suffering from the missing side nobs problem they had for a while. The amount of sidewall flex on any of the snakeskin casings was always very amazing, tried a 2.35 nobby nic on the rear for a minute, but couldn't handle the sidewall flex. Their plus size tires I rode on demo bikes, were so flexy I still would feel like I had a flat rear tire at 36 psi(2.8 Nobby Nic) where I can run 19 psi in Maxxis DHR 2.8 and 3.0 Kenda rears that I've used. They also made the scariest front tire ever, the newer version of the Fat Albert, never tried a tire that pulled off a total lack of straight line braking traction better than that tire.
The only other tire that I have wounded is a Protection Apex casing Conti that I warped first day, once it wasn't wet out. All my Maxxis, Vittoria, and Kenda tires that I've used have just worn out eventually.
As to your other issues, it sounds like you just got unlucky. Pretty much any lab test, long term review and my personal experience say that snakeskin and EXO casings are for all intents and purposes equivalent. Same for DD and super gravity. The ripping side knobs can be an issue, but I heard the same complaint about other tyres too, so im not sure how schwalbe specific that is.
Also not sure what you rode but there was never a Rock razor in Super Gravity casing.
I guess it is possible I was just unlucky with only one brand of tire, but never other brands. I've known a ton of people that the only tire they consider for the front in the winter is a MM, and have never had any of the problems I have had with their other tires.
The knob shedding problem from Schwalbe was wild when it was happening, and rumor was that an ingredient was left out if the rubber mix for a little bit which made it a terrible problem for a little bit with the Schwalbe tires. Saw so many warrantied tires during that time.
As far as sidewall flex, I've only ever run EXO casing from Maxxis, and they are a lot more resistant to flexing. Just feeling them when they are off the bike you can feel the difference in sidewall stiffness. I always kinda liked the super gravity casing better than the DD casing as the Super Gravity casing felt more pliable up near the tread while just as reinforced at the bead.
The Rock Razor always had a Super Gravity casing as far as I know and was my first exposure to Schwalbe tires, along with being my best experience with them. Here is a review that talks about the casing.
m.pinkbike.com/news/schwalbe-rock-razor-tire-reviewed-2014.html
Super Gravity and DH casing was the only way to get the grippy compound with the Rock Razor.
You can still buy them that way with the new addix rubber.
www.chainreactioncycles.com/mobile/us/en/schwalbe-rock-razor-addix-mtb-tyre-supergravity/rp-prod160961
While the exo and snakeskin casings feel slighted different in the hand, I never noticed a difference while riding.
But anyway, I’m not trying to get you to run Schwalbe tyres, it just seemed strange that you had such a streak of bad experiences. You also mentioned that they are expensive where you live. I probably also wouldn’t pay extra for a magic Mary, there are just too many good tyres around nowadays.
The wear rate is a little bit higher but the rolling resistance was fine with that version of the Rock Razor.
Schwalbe are $92 MSRP
Maxxis around $82
Vittoria around $69.99
Do different pigments negatively affect the properties of the rubber compounds? (Science people please advise)
I want green tires!