Foes Racing on TV - Titans of CNC Season Opener

 I agree very much!

 Many people are telling me 2:1 works, 3:1 total disaster, worst decision in the history of suspension kinematics, and frankly it was horrible. 2:1 will be tremendous.

 @dugglesthemuddled:

Make Leverage Ratios Great Again!!!

 HIGHLY efficient, I've never seen CNC machines operate as fast as theirs. Might be the publicity.

 @siderealwall2: camera work and aluminium... maybe if they machined some real materials they would use some real feeds and speeds. And that some cute 3+2 postioning they do on those Haas machines, too bad those machines arent capable of high precision, high speed, simultaneous 5 axis tool paths. I have used several Haas machines and they are just a dissapointment every time.

 @RoverDover: Ah, Aluminum. That's it.

 @RoverDover: They are cost effective machines. As you know it's all about ROI. HAAS machines can hold tight tolerances......if you have the right fixtures and tooling

 @rivercitycycles: ROI? Thats great but you cant make a buck if you cant cut the part.

 @RoverDover: VOLUMILL programming will do that .

 @RoverDover: You don't need a room full of Mori Seiki or insert> high end machine to make money. You choose the right machine, tooling, fixture configuration, and programming technique for the job. I remember a part we were developing a new part made out of a 13 inch diameter piece of 6-4 Ti.......took 12 hours on a Mori Seiki to finish out. We also machine 4000-lb weldments and hold +/-.001 all day long......on a HAAS

 @RoverDover: Radio On the Internet

 @RoverDover: Man U don't know shit. I've used Haas for 12 years and yeah they aren't rigid monsters but I've machined everything from plastic to inconel! U just have to know the machine and tooling and u can machine anything on any machine! Plus they can't be beat for the price and table size.

 @RoverDover: I've worked at an aerospace shop using a Haas vf-6. Every part I made passed CMM inspection. U just have to know the machine and tooling! I surprise companies all the time using my Haas machines making the parts they can't do on their multi million dollar machines. Maybe its the programmer. Shitty input gets shitty output!

 @SomeGuy30: It`s ok guys he`s just another arrogant know it all Frenchie!!

Waspalloy hilarious,buzz buzz.

 @p-town: Return on Investment

 @rideonjon: f*ck you I am not French

 @cheetamike: volumill is great for roughing parts. But you still cant cut rotor blades and Blisks on a 5 axis Haas. The controller cant handle the simultaneous movement with precision.

 @RoverDover: If you're still using volumill for high speed then you should probably think about updating. And I do much more than just 3+2 positioning on Haas in my shop holding tighter tolerances in medical carbon than aerospace aluminum all day long. Do you even program bro??

 @RoverDover: Well, they aren't making rockets or planes for that matter. They make aluminum frames, very nicely I might add. As long as the end result is a quality bike, it doesn't matter what machines they used, especially if it's affordable.

 You are in the minority if you had a positive experience interacting with Titan.
He is the Alternative facts of Machining.

A quote from Titan:
“One day I was praying, driving down 49 I looked up and this huge eagle came right over my truck and flew with me down the road,” Gilroy said. “Like I was just looking up at it, and never in the history of the world. Never before, never after.” Gilroy said the eagle followed him down the highway till he hit Auburn and flew away. When Gilroy got home he told his wife he needed to change the name of his company to Titan America.

That and he also went bankrupt and changed the name from Titan Engineering to Titan America. (They have been in 4 locations)

Haas Machines are provided for promotion
AutoDesk seats are provided for promotion
The Camera crews are paid for by Titan

Rivercitycycles..Just ask anyone that has worked for him and you may have a different opinion. He has a bad reputation in the Northern Sacramento Area. Do a little research and you will uncover something other than a great manufacturing company. Let's just hope it doesn't carry over to Foes. With Intense winding down Aluminum frame production in California, let's hope Foes keeps rolling for years to come.

 @RoverDover: Ok. As far as the surface finish goes I will give u that. I ran exact same program on a Haas vf-6 and a Deckel-Maho and the surface finish on a 3D pocket was far superior on the Deckel. However as far as overall accuracy goes. I can say that I can hold .0003" on an interpolated bore all day long on my 15 year old Haas vf-3.

 jealous of that tour.. ive been learning programming and cnc operating for the last 5 years.. we have a 27 year old milltronics partner 3 VMC, and a 2015 milltronics mm18 VMC.... the MM18 with proper setup, rigid tooling, and proper stepovers and D.O.C can hold +/- 0.001 without activating G41/G42.
I work at a small tech shop so we dont usually do heavy quantity things, a couple proto-types here and there. we use the old cnc to hog out most of the material ( we have modern mist coolant ) and the ol cnc can still hog out stainless steel! then we use the MM18 to finish/ get the tolerances.
Stoked to see Titans on pinkbike, cause i see them all the time on my facebook feed.
keep making chips!!
cheers

 Yawn.at least robots don't talk..

 @Earthmotherfu: You're right they generally dont. I did program my sex robot to cry though.

 @RoverDover: you're an Haas
(OK, that was easy).

 Best comment!

 MAV TV not History Channel

 Yep.

 Sadly yes. once upon a time we didn't have that problem, but yeah...

 'Murica doesn't have Somebody Else's Queen on their money either.

 @hellanorcal: Its the commonwealth .. she's our queen, and the vast majority of us are proud of that heritage. after all, she did help us defeat America in their only battle on home soil.

 ...and four times the quality.

 @cmcrawfo: to be fair, america has has a few battles on home soil

 @woody13fox: Not true. I've bought some American made products that are total garbage.

 @dbarnes6891: So, let's compare apples to apples...Chinese made hubs, bottom brackets, headsets, etc, vs. Chris King, White Industries, Phil Wood, Cane Creek, Paul Components, etc...what do you want on your bike? A dirty little secret that those of us who are aware Chinese manufacturing know: they suck at innovation (all they do is copy), and they require constant supervision/quality control. Ask any engineer how they feel about working with Chinese factories/firms, and they will roll their eyes and tell story after story.

 You get what you pay for. Foes frames are actually priced reasonable compared to some brands that source there frames out. Atleast Foes makes there own frames.

 @woody13fox: Ok. If we are comparing apples to apples then lets address the fact that most bike parts are not made in China they are made in Taiwan. Also most of those parts are not designed in Taiwan, but usually designed elsewhere and manufactured in Taiwan. Taiwan has much more stringent labor laws, and they time after time have produced a better quality product than just about anything coming out of China. I will agree with you on that point alone. China DOES NOT make good bike parts, but that doesn't change the fact that I have still bought some very poor quality American made products. That being said. Nearly every thing on my bike except for my wheels (USA made Velocity blunt 35s which are an exception to my statement before as they are fantastic rims) was made in Taiwan and the quality is fantastic.

 @dbarnes6891: Incorrect...the better parts are, indeed, made in Taiwan, but most bikes and parts made do come from China. My original comment was a general statement, as was yours. American made products are superior to Chinese...Taiwan is another story. And your "exception"...I gave you five "exceptions"...are you implying the brands I listed are not the norm? Oh, and BTW, who taught the Taiwanese to make bike parts? That would be 'Murica.

 @woody13fox: psuedo patriotism aside as I stated earlier I'm not disagreeing with you however i am still standing by my stance that the majority of bikes and bike parts at least in my experience come from Taiwan. You are right though and I never disagreed with you in that The vast majority of Americans made parts are better than the chinese made parts.

 @o2a6k: good thing that carbon tracer was made in China

 @schofell84: ????????????sad but true!

 Every time that Trump talks about business the market soars. 235,000 new jobs and the DJindustrial hit 21,000 just last week. The price to make things in-country will decline rapidly once he releases tax and business reform orders and gets his cabinet straight. There are some things I don't agree with on his policies, but he has the right mindset here.

 Will not be cheaper. if anything will go up. Less competition with higher import tariffs, those countries will quite tarriff breaks on usa imports to their countries, tightening up on china imports, taiwan imports, then have to pay the americans the salary health etc...higher rent, inflation up slightly, interest rates are creeping, a few factories will come back but there is not a chance of usa made goods becoming more affordable imo. Lots of smoke and mirrors right now....

 @schofell84: I never called Intense a made-in-USA company, the original poster did. But thanks for the heads up!

 @coachvernon: You fail to mention our wages going up, increasing spending power and pushing inflation down, but I digress.

@o2a6k: They used to be 100% american made and were leaders in the industry while producing stuff in Cali. Its still good stuff, but I wont be purchasing anymore.

 Please e-mail me at bacuna@foesracing.com. Let me know what model you would be interested and maybe we can work something out.

 Go search puns in google images. Study it until you hate them. Then come back.

 This pun failed so hard it could be machined into a beautiful bike part.

 @PHeller: I'd say it Haas to be one of the worst puns ever.

 @taquitos: He meant, "I CN see..."

He really only had one job, and he muffed it up.

 This is an okay pun, Foes sure.

 I'm not CN how this is a pun at all.

 @taquitos: hope these foes recognize what the haas ur talkn bot.

 @taquitos: if you have ever used one you would know just how shitty they are. I work with kitamuras', matsuura's, mitsui seiki's, DMG's and have used Haas's in the past. They are 10 years behind Fanuc and Heidenhain controllers and the machines are very flimsy. Built with cheap ball screws and linear bearings.

 @RoverDover: when you program do you have custom posts for each machine? We're a production shop and we achieve our close tolerances by using a custom post processors, and intelligent tooling/fixture schemes. And yes we do 5 axis mill/turn. And our HAAS mills do very well as does our Mori Seiki(s) and Mazaks .

 Guys, you're ruining our pun.

 @RoverDover: Umm...This is a pun thread. Try to play along

 Please email me at bacuna@foesracing.com and we can talk about the frame that you may want to purchase.

 Because Foes only does single pivot Al bikes, and usually tries new weird concepts. People want carbon bikes with lots of pivots and are afraid of anything new. Foes has put out some real gems, some real turds, and lots of just better than average bikes. When they have a better than average or great frame to sell, people only remember horror stories about getting seals for a Currnutt and buy what they know instead. Foes could use a little capital and a marketing guy to spend that money rebuilding their reputation and expanding their dealer network. If Ellsworth can make it this far, Foes should be at least as big as Intense or Yeti, but they're so terribly marketed.

 We really don't want to be any bigger than is necessary. We have a very unusual product line that's value is not truly understood sometimes because it is not pressed into the current status quo and we also get that we are not for everyone. It could be size, single pivot, ergonomics, made of aluminum, and price because it is expensive to hand craft these creatures, but these are the things that we are fighting. Which is funny because some of them are our strong points as well. We are going to start trying to not only expand the dealer network and the customer direct avenue as well.If you have any more questions or sales inquires please contact me at bacuna@foesracing.com. Thank you!

 @Foes-Racing: thanks! you guys will remain strong because of simple interactions like this. Makes me know you're human and not a big corporation

 I would love to buy one, but the Seat Tube Length(STL) being 17.5" on the Enduro and 18" on the Trail for a size small is the killer. Once they get the STL to 16.5 or under on a small I will definitely purchase one.

 I'll give you a car off beer.

 The mixer bikes look cool but too slack on the seat tube angles for my taste. I'll bet they go great downhill.

 Yes they are!

 That is awesome and thank you!
We are doing an upgrade program if you are considering a new bike. please cont bacuna@foesracing.com for more details.