Fox Factory Plans to Move HQ from California to Georgia [Updated]

Nov 1, 2018
by Sarah Moore  
The Fox Factory 36 fork are nothing short of fantastic.

Fox Factory has announced that it will be relocating its corporate headquarters from Scotts Valley, California, to its existing offices in Hall County, Georgia, by the end of 2018. In addition, FOX plans to relocate its aftermarket bike products distribution, sales, and service operations from Watsonville and Scotts Valley, California, to Reno, Nevada.

Dan S. Robbins, the Head of Corporate Marketing at FOX, clarified that the bike division will be largely unaffected as all the bike OEM sales, marketing, engineering, and development teams will remain in Scotts Valley.

bigquotesWe are building a new service center in Reno, which our aftermarket sales and distribution service teams will be going to. That move is to better serve our customers. It gives us more of a one and two day shipping time for the west. We'll have faster turnaround times for service and getting product out of the warehouse to customers. That's the extent of what's going on in the bike world.

What we're doing with Georgia is we're moving our corporate headquarters there. Some of our executive level team will be moving out there. What that does is that opens up space here in Scotts Valley, which allows the bike group to grow. We're not pulling them out of here.
Dan S. Robbins, Head of Corporate Marketing

While the CEO and the senior level executives will move to Georgia, the majority of the employees of the Powered Sports who currently work in Scotts Valley will also be remaining in Scotts Valley.

bigquotesThe main driver is the ability to recruit top-notch talent. There are a lot of good schools out on the east coast, but trying to get a new college graduate to come to California where houses cost a lot of money, versus Georgia, is hard. We're also right next to Silicon Valley, so there is a lot of competition for good engineering talent. It just gives us the opportunity to expand.Dan S. Robbins, Head of Corporate Marketing

The company said that the new 23-acre site that they've agreed to purchase in Hall County, Georgia, will allow Fox to expand and diversify their manufacturing platform and provide additional long-term capacity to support growth in its Powered Vehicles Group.

bigquotesFOX believes the creation of a campus environment in Hall County, Georgia will allow its Powered Vehicle Group to continue to grow efficiently and foster increased innovation and collaboration between its teams and customers. FOX plans to invest up to $50 million in capital expenditures and employ up to 800 personnel over the next five years, dependent on market and general economic conditions in Georgia. This planned capital investment is consistent with the Company’s previously announced capital expenditure expectations in the range of 5% to 6% of sales for 2018 and 2019 to support the demand and strength of its business.

You can find Fox Factory's press release here.


MENTIONS: @foxfactory




312 Comments

  • 174 2
 I’m gonna guess the cost of business in Georgia is much less then Califonia.
  • 91 6
 You don't hafta guess at that. Land is half. Cost of living is 20-30% less. State government is less restrictive. Maybe forks will be cheaper next year?
  • 75 172
flag chriskneeland (Nov 1, 2018 at 12:23) (Below Threshold)
 You don't need to ship jobs over seas when you have the south. There's slave labor right here in America's heartland.
  • 84 5
 @drunknride: don't count on it, profits will just be higher for Fox, but I very much doubt they will pass it on to the end user.
  • 29 5
 @drunknride:
Lol, doubt very seriously this will benefit the consumer $$$ just FOX.
  • 5 2
 @drunknride: probably not. they're making this move to ramp up production for their powered vehicles division, AKA polaris rzr's, can am's, etc..
  • 9 1
 @drunknride: Haha don't hold your breath.
  • 16 1
 I'm betting their location in Hall County is going to be a Federal Opportunity Zone. It is a development tax shelter created in the "tax cuts" last year by the Feds. If the site is in Gainesville, GA I would think my assumption is correct.
  • 37 16
 @chriskneeland: you mean because they don't artificially raise the costs of their companies products to levels outside of the market pricing with demanding higher wages?

Contrary to popular belief, companies in the south treat their folks good, they vote regularly to not unionize, and they can live the same or better than they can in the NE or the West Coast.
  • 63 6
 Smart to leave California-just like the middle class mass exodus.
  • 8 2
 @stumpymidget: hopefully better pay/bonuses for employees. Of course just leaving California(assuming same pay/job) gives yourself huge savings.
Gas alone is .75$ gal less average.
  • 6 1
 @stumpymidget: Maybe this will keep them from having to raise the cost more than they would have had they stayed in California.
  • 7 0
 @jrocksdh: I'm teetering on the edge of that decision myself
  • 56 20
 @SnowshoeRider4Life: Several factories from my area relocated to South Carolina and Georgia. A few friends ended up relocating with them. They don't unionize, don't get any benefits, get paid low wages, and companies use temp agencies with no prospect for full time employment. Sounds great!
  • 3 0
 Seems like a stretch to get employees to move from CA to GA. I'd have guessed they need employees with fairly specialized skillsets, but maybe not if most of their employees are relatively easy to replace.
  • 18 0
 @drunknride: Forks cheaper!? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA....
  • 31 6
 @jrocksdh: amen. my new house in AZ will be ready in 2 weeks. big middle finger to CA on my way out.
  • 13 0
 The kept the jobs in USA. Props.
  • 5 2
 @stumpymidget: that's right! When factory jobs left Europe and NA for China, the savings were never passed on to the consumer.
  • 40 7
 @chriskneeland: Gotta ask where the data comes for this comment? I work for a BIG manufacturer in the bike industry and make a pretty good living, quite happy. Do lower taxes = slavery?
The reason we have SO MANY companies coming here is a very favorable business environment, because we can see the logic in collecting (as an example) 10% tax from 7 businesses over collecting 70% tax from 1 company, please don't blame the people who use logic. The money the state is collecting from all the other tax that is a result of people working (sales tax, vehicle tax, property tax etc.) will more than make up the low business tax. Need to stop looking at the business as an EVIL entity who needs to be taxed to oblivion because they show a profit (god forbid) and realize that jobs create taxes and support more businesses in the community.
  • 22 21
 Bunch of marxist commies in the comment section.

When are you guys going to blame government inflation instead of the symptom??
  • 35 16
 @jason-99: Usually "favorable business environment" means increased profit margins due to low compensation of workers, unless there's some magical overhead reduction you can key us in on. I know several people who also make a good living working in the south, but who work for companies that use temp agencies to keep costs down. They pay low wages, offer no benefits, and use term limits to prevent having to hire full time. Yes, a great "business" decision, but hardly treating their workers "good".

I don't know if Fox intends to use any of these tactics to increase their margins, I was simply replying to SnowshoeRider's sentiment.
  • 18 16
 @chriskneeland: interesting that you are getting down voted. That's what happens when you tell the truth these days.
  • 12 8
 @theminsta: how dare a business try to make more money. down with Capitalism!

As far as Fox goes, from what I've heard they are extremely fair and even above average in their compensation and benefits to employees. I seriously doubt Fox's history in regard to treatment of employees is going to magically change and they are going to become a shitty company just because they opened an operation in Georgia. People just want something to bitch about and think they objectively know everything, this is the internet. There is a reason a good amount of movies are now being filmed in Georgia. Including the TV show Halt and Catch Fire which had episodes filmed on the farm that my family leases as a recreational horse barn. There is a reason Porsche opened their North American HQ in Atlanta(back to the movies, did you know the Avengers base was actually the Porsche building?) There is a reason Kubota manufacturers all their utility side x side vehicles for the whole world market in Gainesville. I could go on and on. People need to take their tinfoil hats off.
  • 24 13
 If businesses ran the way this comment section wants, we wouldn't have Fox or Rockshox on our bikes. They would literally go out of business and everyone loses out.

Fox does what is good for Fox. f*ck your feelings. We all do what is good for us first. That's human nature. Just because you want cheaper Fox forks doesn't mean Fox should cater to your childish dreams. Why do people act like these workers have no other options and Fox is a slave plantation owner?
  • 1 0
 @drunknride: Sounds like wishful thinking, but hey, guys gotta dream right?
  • 9 2
 point is, Fox can continue to pay their employees the same wages and offer the same benefits, and still save an exorbitant amount of money just on the business expenses that none of these people realize are even a thing. Georgia actually PAYS money to large business that move to the state. Prices aren't going to go up, nor down, they will stay the same, they will have happy employees just as they always have, and be more profitable to the share holders. But screw them right, what a bunch of dicks.
  • 8 1
 @Golden-G: My first comment was facetious. But you know there's truth to it when it pisses people off.
  • 4 3
 @theminsta: Haha! It's gotta kill you to live in Canada.
  • 4 0
 @SnowshoeRider4Life: Probably, but you're still in the humid, hot and relatively flat SOUTH.
  • 7 3
 Lot of people in here saying it only benefits Fox... Not true. It benefits you, because it allows Fox to stay in business with a healthy profit margin and sell YOU forks. And also to research and develop said product. And all that goes along with it. Their prices are not beyond what the market will pay for it, or you would not buy their product, and they would go out of business.
  • 31 14
 @jrocksdh: The problem with the California exodus is where ever the people end up they change the political demographics by voting for the same people who turned California into Commiefornia.
  • 2 0
 The cost of everything is much less in GA than CA
  • 7 5
 @Boardlife69: being someone who is exiting california, i made sure to choose a new place where i agree with their current political climate... wouldn't make much sense to move from somewhere i dislike to another place i dislike...
  • 4 2
 @theminsta: @theminsta: amen. Wow, thank you for mentioning inflation (increase in the money supply) that is created by the government. This leads to price inflation which then often leads to the government imposing price controls which then leads to shortages and people blaming "greedy businesses".
  • 1 0
 @jason-99: Any chance your company is located in Tukwila?
  • 9 0
 @dthomp325: According to Trulia, median home price in Scotts Valley is $864,000, rent is $3700/mo. Nearby San Jose has high home/rent prices as well. Median income income is approx $84k/yr. In Hall County median home price is $180,000 and income is $50k. Plus gas is cheaper, rent is cheaper and theres fewer taxes. Still think its a stretch?
  • 3 2
 @Boardlife69: No idea why you got downvoted. Its true. Remember seeing bumper stickers in Montana in the late 90’s saying “Don’t Californiate Montana”. Texas and Idaho are in similar situations.
  • 3 5
 @novajustin: Kind of a harsh statement. Did California really treat you that badly?

Hope you don't have kids who need schoolin':

www.forbes.com/sites/reneemorad/2018/07/31/states-with-the-best-public-school-systems/#599a8c8d3897
  • 6 3
 @chriskneeland: You're really full of it. Favorable business environment doesn't just equate to mean low wages.

Google is amazing, just try "Why are companies leaving California" CA over taxes and over regulates business- it's really that simple.

I work in Hazardous Waste. I have a pretty firm grip on how insane CA regs are. We get that thank ca for every product in American being labeled as a possible carcinogen.
  • 7 4
 @MtbSince84: other than raise the shit out of my vehicle registration, inflate property values, and blow up my taxes? i just don't like it here. oh and my kids go to private school but thanks.
  • 10 0
 @novajustin: Don't worry, Californians can't conceive why anyone would dislike California.
  • 2 2
 @chriskneeland: it’s 2018, bruh. Truth is not required to piss someone off so please don’t make the mistake of believing there was any shred of validity in your first comment.
  • 30 21
 @SacAssassin: I got downvoted because its true. Most move to conservative areas because they enjoy the low taxes, low crime, and not having a nanny state all up in your ass regulating every damn aspect of your life. Then they vote for more regulations to enlighten the rual folk. Then more taxes for whateverreason, etc, etc. History shows us conservative governments fuctions more efficiently than liberal govts. Moderation is key. Dont forget that the würst governments were left wing socialist parties like Hitler, Stalin and Mao. History repeats itself over becasue we are too stupid to learn from it. And yet here we are, being told that if we are tolerant, open minded, compassionant people we should be left wing, "The party of tolerance" is resposible for biggest massacares in modern history. The stove is hot, stop touching it.
  • 2 2
 @chrisjk: they're either ridiculously rich or dirt poor. in either case, they're the ones reaping the benefits so of course they love CA!
  • 4 8
flag Boardlife69 (Nov 1, 2018 at 15:08) (Below Threshold)
 But none of that really matters except for local governments. The main govts are beyond our control mostly. If you think Jeff Bezos or Bill Gates are the richest men in the world then you have NO IDEA how this world really works. Those guys are middle class billionaires. Not even wealthy yet, just paper rich is all.
  • 2 0
 @drunknride: I'll bet their's less traffic as well.
  • 2 0
 @jrocksdh: Well, the federal tax bill last year included a huge tax increase for Californians, so makes sense.
  • 3 0
 @drunknride: There is no Cheaper in our future.
  • 2 0
 @Sycip69er: It is in Gainesville and actually pretty much right across the street from a fun group of trails www.mtbproject.com/trail/7000014/chicopee-woods-intermediate-loop and a brewery www.leftnutbrewing.com. Cost of living there is cheap, cheap. While there isn't much to do around there it's close enough to Athens and Atlanta if one needs a culture fix.
  • 3 1
 @theminsta: jesus christ......I would drink beer with you! Big Grin
  • 8 1
 @chrisjk: No, I get why people dislike CA and are leaving. I just don't get the angry "F you" attitude. It's not like California has it in for you personally - things are changing, that's all. If @novajustin takes these things so personally, he may not be happy anywhere. Good luck to him in AZ - it's a beautiful, imperfect state - kind of like CA. (I have a lot of friends there.)
  • 2 0
 @hellbelly: I was wondering if it'd be near there. I grew up riding Chicopee Woods every weekend with my Dad in the late 90's-early 00's. It's where I learned how MTB! Fun stuff!
  • 8 0
 @stumpymidget: privatize the gains and socialize the losses, fellas. Fox isn’t any different
  • 7 0
 @theminsta: geeze bro calm down. Just cos someone says something you don't like or agree with, does not make them a Marxist/Communist or whatever. Don't care much for Marxism/communism myself btw.
  • 1 0
 @theminsta: "and Fox is a slave plantation owner", you made me seriously lol at that one, cheers!
  • 1 0
 @MtbSince84: Fair enough.
  • 5 8
 @chriskneeland: the big advantage of being ignorant is no effort required and also being completely oblivious to how obvious it is for everyone else to see.

I guess you can’t call it slave labor in California when they’re undocumented, homeless, unemployed, and getting free socialist government handouts. It’s a terrible thing actually being able to live in a state where you can afford a house, you know. Your pals left the state for a reason otherwise had it been better to stay they would have.

And I’m not pissed off, just shaking my head feeling sorry for you not knowing any better. The coffee is boiling over and burning on the stove yet you don’t even smell it still ...
  • 3 0
 And the will make a mint off the sale of property in cali
  • 7 3
 @Boardlife69: ffs man, Hitler was NOT a left wing socialist! But hey that's what all right wingers try to claim nowadays. 'National Socialist' look it up, especially the 'National - Nationlist' part. Our last government was a neo-liberal conservative government and they were f*cking useless. Went out with a NZD$93 billion debt with nothing to show for it. Now we have a neo-liberal left leaning government and nothing has changed. Same shit, different day. NOT GOOD!!!
  • 1 1
 @vondur: so is the quality of life. No one relocates to CA, NY, NJ or CT to retire.
  • 2 0
 @rh00p: because their pensions have been raided and they were sold the BS about 401's ...

Nevermind im sure everyone loves moving away from their families to die. My B!
  • 1 0
 @drunknride:
I’m not going to hold out for cheaper forks in the future.
  • 4 9
flag CaliCol (Nov 1, 2018 at 20:36) (Below Threshold)
 @Boardlife69: you’re an idiot. Most Californians, like myself, leave California because of politics and continue to vote republican and enjoy our new found home. You’re one of those morons that judged me when I lived in Colorado because I was from California, yet knew nothing about me. Give me some official number stonnack your claim. You can’t because you’re an ass.
  • 4 3
 Just imagine living without people shoving their hands into your pockets.. calling you greedy when you try to keep your own shit!

Repeat after me boys: it's greedy to keep your own stuff; it's not greedy to take from others!

We need to abolish the federal government bring back true freedom. Completely get rid of taxes (thus, welfare/social security programs) and see prosperity explode. Hopefully people learn this time if that's ever accomplished.
  • 2 2
 @Boardlife69: you’re a very wise man. This is exactly what happened with all the snow birds moving to Florida.
  • 2 0
 @TheOriginalTwoTone: Thats such an overstatement. They havent labeled coffee as a possible carcinogen....oh wait ????
  • 4 1
 @chriskneeland: lower tax == "magical" overhead reduction. Just get it
  • 1 1
 Well, since we are on this seemingly comparative topic (sort of).. here is some of the latest research on economic mobility in the US. Check it out!


www.npr.org/2018/10/01/649701669/the-american-dream-is-harder-to-find-in-some-neighborhoods
  • 2 1
 @CaliCol: Thanks for the insults, it proves you have no argument and speaks volumes on your character. Colorado is a now a blue state. BTW.
  • 1 0
 @Golden-G: sadly agree with you. When you speak out the truth you are labelled a prophet of fake news. How absurd that the speaking the truth is twisted by idiots and made out to be fake/untrue. Economics/facts are Economics. Just because individuals don’t like hearing the truth or, are such narcissists that they can’t handle hearing it does not make true facts fake!
  • 2 1
 @drunknride: "Maybe forks will be cheaper next year?"

well, your name says it all
  • 2 0
 @chriskneeland: sorry. I’m a nonunion welder in a factory and push six figures every year with great benefits. They hire everyday here if someone can cut it.
  • 2 0
 @BigballmcCall: Ya, that's a skill position with a high demand. It's the same for welders here up north. My friend that moved with the company down south is an engineer and makes a good living. But his company uses temp agencies. General Mills is another example. They closed their New England plant to invest in a Tennessee location. Labor and land is just cheaper in the south. It is what it is.
  • 4 1
 @drunknride: That's the part of the logic of Reaganomics: lower corporate taxes and they'll reinvest in new jobs for the peons. Does it work? By and large no. Why reinvest in America when it will nearly always be cheaper to manufacture in Asia? Trump gets all his branded shit made overseas.

The article said it anyway: housing is too expensive in CA to attract new talent. Boom.
  • 6 2
 @theminsta: Inflation is not caused by government. Inflation is a byproduct of supply and demand in capitalist economies. Go ahead, Google it.
  • 2 0
 Congrats, Georga! That's a big get.
  • 5 2
 @MtbSince84: who said i was angry? i'm ecstatic to be leaving! my middle finger to CA is more of a good riddance to a state in such rapid decline that the light at the end of the tunnel is merely just a sparkle. CA has no future for the middle class and worries more about the immigrants and hurting people's feelings than they do about the people who actually pay their taxes. my middle finger to CA is justified. go back to your cry room and hug the furry walls.
  • 4 2
 @CaptainSnappy: When currency is inflated, who has access to the newly printed money that retains the purchasing power temporarily before the market adjusts? Who decides when/how much to print?

Quantitative Easing: an expansionary monetary policy whereby a central bank buys predetermined amounts of government bonds or other financial assets in order to stimulate the economy and increase liquidity.

Literally an action between the central bank + government that buttf*cks every individual's savings by devaluing a worthless currency that solely depends on the government to keep its value.

Basically, who/what controls the currency supply? Not f*cking Fox suspensions.

Fox gives you a choice. Here's the price and buy if you want.

Governments/Central banks gives you anal beads. Here's the size and we decide how much to randomly yank or shove in you.
  • 1 0
 @theminsta: But do you understand the negative effects of deflation? And why we need some inflation? Less than 3% annual inflation is near ideal.
  • 3 1
 Everyone only wants California money, they take it to another state to make them feel good!
  • 2 0
 @drivereight: it's even better when you can work remotely in a different state for a company in california. make california money without the taxes!
  • 1 0
 @ismasan: "Maybe forks will be cheaper next year?"

well, your name says it all

Someone doesn't get sarcasm....
  • 1 0
 @chriskneeland: You, like many of my banking industry colleagues believe inflation is better than deflation. Both have a +/- effect.
  • 1 0
 @theminsta: So what's the positive effect of deflation on a company like Fox? If prices deflate their products lower in value, retail demand diminishes, their margins decrease, they can't pay their creditors, they can't buy new material, they go out of business. Inflation is necessary for growth and viability. Deflation is the downward spiral of death.
  • 4 0
 @Boardlife69: While I agree with you on your comments about rural areas getting over-run by 'city folk' - whether from CA or other large-population states, realize one thing: Over the last 50 years or so, most of CA's population was people moving here from other places. Now we are seeing a reverse exodus, which myself (a native Californian) am about to join. My goal is to find a place that has a good balance of moderates who are fiscally conservative, Wish me luck!

Hitler, Stalin and Mao were not "Left wing". They called themselves Socialists, but were Totalitarians. Focused on controlling all aspects of the constituents' lives, including religion (or not allowing) and other beliefs. Basically the worst of the Left and the Right all rolled into one. This can be seen today by the extremes of the GOP and Dem parties - they want to control your beliefs on the Far-Right, and the Far-Left wants to have government take care of all aspects of your well-being - give them all you earn and they will give you food coupons, health care, education, blah, blah... A bit of Socialism is good. It makes for things like Fire Departments, Police, Insurance, roads, state parks where you can ride, etc.... The problem is when government takes money that people voted for for a purpose, and then re-direct the funds to other projects or pockets. CA is very guilty of that. So are a lot of other states, and our Federal Gov't. as well. We, as citizens need to stop voting Party and vote for the person(s) we think will do the best job, whether Dem, GOP or Independent and get our gov't under control.

Rant over...
  • 2 1
 @Boardlife69: You couldn't have said that any better. Look at Texas. All the progressive Libs that seem to have way too much time are changing the political landscape there too. It's the California political cancer.
  • 1 0
 @chriskneeland: If you really can't imagine objectively what inflation/deflation of the currency base does to the economy other than "deflation is the downward spiral of death", you would make a perfect employee of the Fed Reserve.
  • 1 0
 @theminsta: Feel free to explain how deflation helps a company like Fox. I know you anti government types love to rant about inflation, but tell me how deflation benefits anyone.
  • 1 0
 @chriskneeland: Changes in the currency base does not help anyone except the government (inflation only). The entire market has to adapt to the constantly changing value of the dollar. The fact that you said "If prices deflate their products lower in value" means you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.
  • 1 0
 @theminsta: If Fox makes a 40 at a certain cost, then the retail price succumbs to deflation, Fox's margin decreases and the 40 has lost it's value. You also have to consider consumer demand. If prices deflate, there's no incentive for someone to make a purchase today when you can wait until tomorrow as prices deflate even further, and so on. At some point the 40 will be worth less than what it cost to make it. At this deflated price Fox would no longer be getting a return on their investment, but simply salvaging any capital value the 40 has left. At this point, because all the costs of producing those 40 has already been encumbered, the company would then have less to invest, if anything at all if they didn't cover overhead. There would then be no incentive for Fox to reinvest in another production run as deflation would continue to eat up any value of future investments. But feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.
  • 1 0
 @Boardlife69: you’re very welcome. You don’t know a thing about my character and am not worried at all about what someone such as yourself thinks. I asked you to give me some numbers and you didn’t accommodate. Only a blue state becaus of Hickenlooper and hopefully he’s voted out next Tuesday. But, wait, people like me want the democratic socialists to completely take over states that we invade. See, I’m not a liberal; I go to the polls and just deal with the aftermath and not throw a hissy for if my side didn’t win. Not saying that’s what you do, just speaking for myself.
  • 1 0
 @SacAssassin: ...but how is the riding?
  • 5 0
 @chriskneeland: LOL, lesson from the real world comin' at cha'. First, Fox has used temp workers in CA for many years so that won't be a change at all. I actually work for one of the companies that provides their staffing, but I run an office in another state that works with placing commercial truck drivers in long term positions. Second, what I can tell you about the cost side, as it relates to my business with truck drivers, is that the workers comp cost ALONE in CA is 30% of the employee's wage. Well, I exaggerated, it's 29.92%, LOL. We do business in GA as well and our workers comp cost there is only 8.13%, and the TOTAL cost of doing business in GA is LESS than just CA's worker's comp cost!

So The Lovin' Spoonful wanted me to ask you, do you believe in magic?
youtu.be/jUljHEpeIgs

But in this case the bigger trick is how CA manages to continue to pick the pockets of so many businesses. California's economy and regulatory environment is such an absolute joke in so many ways, I really don't think most people have much of a clue what a hassle it is to run a business there. Factor in the housing and competition for talent, and the move is a much easier decision than you'd think.
BTW, our company offers benefits to our employees. As a matter of fact my truck drivers get an annual bonus of 4% of their earnings. I know there are still the stereotypical day labor type agencies out there, but that's not who Fox is working with in CA....
  • 2 3
 @chriskneeland: Hmmm... let's see the US dollar has lost 99% of it's value since the creation of the federal reserve. I don't think deflation is something we need to worry about. Milton Friedman was good on many things, but he pulled the idea of a small amount of inflation being good out of thin air.

Check out Murray Rothbard's "The Case Against the Fed" and "A Monetary History of the US". The central bank inflation benefits the politically connected (big banks, wall street, and other recipients of government printed money) at the expense of normal folks, especially those retired on a fixed income. Basically they are crooks hiding behind academia (bought and paid for).
  • 2 0
 @westeast: The dollar has lost 99% of it's value? So the dollar isn't worth anything? Weird. I buy shit every day with it.

Feel free to explain the mechanisms of deflation that have an outcome with long term viability. Anyone who produces anything or carries debt will tell you you're delusional. Is Fox paying cash for their $50 million dollar investment? What's deflation going to do to a company with that kind of encumbrance?
  • 2 0
 @chriskneeland: I'm onboard with 95% of what youre saying, but F inflation for a decade or two. F corporations. If a decade of deflation puts money back in working peoples pockets, where it belongs, I would shed zero tears for corporations, or their greed. Historically when working peoples wages rise it is followed by deflation, which makes their wages worth even more. Bring it on.
  • 3 3
 A bunch of morons. Don't bother westeast.

There's so much knowledge available and if this is the conclusion people come to, then there is no way you are convincing/educating them via pinkbike comments.

"I would shed zero tears for corporations" but you expect them to basically shed tears for "workers". Get f*cked Marxist retard
  • 1 0
 @GalenS: In Cali? You know its sweet. Georgia? Never been.
  • 2 0
 @theminsta: So really all you're saying is you have no response.
  • 1 1
 @chriskneeland: as usual, he has a little hissy fit then goes off into some forum to complain about how dumb everyone is compared to himself. He didn't add any value to this comment thread anyway.
  • 1 0
 @makripper: seems a rather ironic thing to say seeing as how this entire battle of the tit for tat egos started by him doing just that ... and neither his comment that started it all nor any other reply to it is adding any value. Maybe turning the emotional response knob down and the common sense knob up will help.

[QUOTE]he has a little hissy fit then goes off into some forum to complain about how dumb everyone is compared to himself [/QUOTE]
  • 3 0
 @chriskneeland: re: @theminsta: So really all you're saying is you have no response.

I could say the same to you. You asked for "some magical overhead reduction you can key us in on" and I showed you a possible 21% savings just in workers comp costs between CA and GA. So what of your debate about the favorable business environment?
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 @DaKahuna: And...I learned something. What are you bitching about. That's the type of shit your supposed to bring to a debate. Kudos.

But now we're talking about the value of inflation vs. deflation and the role of the federal reserve.
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 @chriskneeland: HAHA, the point was you giving someone else crap for not responding. A lot of the inflation going on in this thread has been your inflated (with hot air) comments about slave labor and debating whether the Georgia grass is really greener for business. So have fun running off into the weeds discussing stuff that had no bearing on Fox's move, but maybe don't call other people out for ignoring you.
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 @theminsta: you know you've got a solid argument when you immediately resort to "Marxist retard"!
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 @DaKahuna: The slave labor comment was facetious hyperbole said in jest. Then people went straight to 11.

But I still want to know how deflation is economically viable. Anyone?
  • 1 0
 Get a room
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 My point was that Fox doesn't have full control of product pricing and that constantly increasing prices are due to inflation; if Fox keeps the FLoat 36 at the same price over a few years, they are literally passing on the savings to the consumers. But stupid/brainwashed masses can only see "oh the price went up". I was shifting the 100% blame to "corporations" to "hey maybe check out what the f*ck your government is doing"

Tell me how inflation is better than not having inflation.
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 @chriskneeland: My bad, I did some googling...dollar has lost aprox. 96% of it's value since the creation of the Federal Reserve. I didn't say it isn't worth anything. You said that. I don't understand how you can fear deflation when you don't even understand inflation.

Your second argument of inflation being necessary for corporate financing or debt use is completely wrong. Debt has been used and will always be used in periods of deflation, inflation or neither. Also, I never made the argument that we NEED deflation. I'm just saying I think it's unreasonable to fear deflation when we are living in an inflationary environment and have been so for 100 years (again look at the value of a dollar over that period).
  • 1 0
 @chriskneeland: You keep acting like everyone here is arguing for deflation. Ideally we'd have a stable monetary system. Certainly low levels of inflation or deflation are better than extremes. You're creating a straw man by acting like anyone who recognizes the consequences of inflation are automatically arguing for severe deflation. Obviously any severe deflation and there will be some turmoil in the markets. Likewise, severe inflation is terrible. Check out the numbers coming out of Venezuela currently. Inflation in the thousands of percents. Add in government price controls and you have empty store shelves and starving people.
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 @westeast: Actually I was arguing against the notion that the federal reserves sole purpose is to serve the "government" and should be abolished. And definitely not arguing for severe inflation. Talk about a straw man.
  • 1 0
 @chriskneeland: please check out the pdf in the link I posted above. You're clearly interested in monetary matters. The article bellow illustrates how the fed controls the econ world.

www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/09/07/priceless-how-the-federal_n_278805.html

let me know what you think.
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 @westeast: never use Huffington post as a source but also #ENDTHEFED
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 @chriskneeland: favorable business=lower taxes, less regulation.
Liberty is key.
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 @Boardlife69: yes, I'm well aware. Just look at how ted Cruz has a close battle in Texas this round. Of course his opponent is spending record $...
Unfortunately liberty and 'common sense"(good book BTW) and conservatism isnt taught, but only this foreign to usa philosophy of socialist/progressivism is championed by those in the coasts with loud mics.
  • 79 9
 Understandable. Contrary to popular belief the MTB riding in Santa Cruz is just meh.
  • 9 5
 Wish I could upvote you more than once...,
  • 7 4
 True story
  • 7 1
 As an Atlanta resident i can promise you that metro atlanta’s riding is much worse, and there’s only one or two major trail centers in Hall county.
  • 3 3
 @NoahWeimann: but Big Creek! :p I grew up riding that place, i now live in Asheville.
  • 8 2
 As someone who has been ridding in santa cruz for about 20 years, can confirm.
  • 8 1
 @michaeldorian: @michaeldorian: You laugh but currently there are 6 rangers ticketing riders. Check out MTBR Instagram story.
  • 4 3
 Yep. Redwoods, ocean, loam, gaps, drops, steeps, flow. More than you could ride in 5 days. It sucks!
  • 2 5
 LOL. well, I can say one thing.....at least 50% of your username is accurate.
  • 2 0
 @NoahWeimann: Metro Atlanta has great riding; you're crazy. Blankets Creek and Big Creek are highly rated trails nationwide. SORBA and RAMBO put in a lot of real work to make sure trails are maintained and loved. I live in Los Angeles now and while there's plenty of gnar, hardly anyone maintains trails out here. Terrible shape. Ridden in SC a few times now and get the same feeling. It can be great mountain biking in what could be considered the birthplace, but it could be so much better.
  • 1 0
 @pistol2ne: Have a link?
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 @Highlander406: Yeah, not enough legal advanced technical singletrack. Nothing like BC and North Shore, but the weather is great. Lived and been riding here my entire life.
  • 43 0
 It's not about us, fellas. Fox's revenue from sales of bike components compared to "powered vehicles" segment is about equal (see linked investor presentation). However, profit from powered vehicles segment was double the bike segment in the recent period. It's not about the trails in Santa Cruz vs. Georgia. Fox is a publicly-traded company with obligations to shareholders, executive and employees.
investor.ridefox.com/static-files/2b76698b-1d03-4ea7-8a32-58fc436e6a71
  • 4 1
 finally, someone who actually knows whats going on. have an upvote sir
  • 1 0
 I see the chart showing the breakdown of sales by segment but I don't see anything in there showing the profits or profit margins broken out by segment. What page were you seeing that on?
  • 1 0
 @sino428: Presentations on same site from other executives.
  • 1 0
 This x1000 good for you, are you invested?
  • 43 7
 well dang... there goes the neighborhood. Riding in the Southeast sucks. Nobody come here... our food is terrible, the weather is horrendous, there's nothing to do but clean your gun, spit tobacco, and cruise in your Chevy with a lift kit
  • 5 22
flag schighball (Nov 1, 2018 at 13:46) (Below Threshold)
 Yep, I’m gonna say it. I bet you’re fun at parties
  • 5 1
 I lived in Atlanta. It’s all true except the food part. The food is great.
  • 4 1
 @arrowheadrush: swing and a miss!
  • 7 1
 @skelldify: shut up man... Dont tell them about the honey glazed buttermilk fried chicken biscuits available 24 f****ing hours a day. Nope its chittlins and boiled collards with no salt down here. And bark...we eat alot of bark in the lean months
  • 10 0
 @JudyYellow: the average size of the people directly correlates to the tastiness of the food. On a scale of 1-10, the food is clearly diabetes
  • 34 4
 To everyone saying how bad of a move this is for employees, Gainesville, GA is about two hours from some legendary riding in Pisgah National Forest, about an hour from some of the famous Blue Ridge range trails in northern GA, three hours from some very gnarly downhills in Chattanooga, and four hours from Windrock Bike Park. For any mountain bikers that move there, you're in singletrack heaven, with a side of filthy downhills.

For water lovers, Gainesville sits on the relatively large Lake Lanier, so bring a wakeboard. You're also about five hours from some really good surfing in Charleston, and maybe two hours from some high-quality whitewater rafting.

Regarding politics, the South is a lot like everywhere else: the cities are diverse and accepting, and rural areas can be more narrow-minded. The rural areas of the South can be a bit more narrow-minded than elsewhere, but you will find kind and open-minded people if you look. Further, you can follow my lead and just hide away in your own little forest paradise. Land is cheap, and often cheaper if it's covered in hardwoods. Build a house in the middle of the trees, cut yourself some trails, and smile every time you realize you don't have to worry about money anymore. When you do interact with narrow-minded individuals, don't simply attack them and tell them they are wrong. Tell them why their views are harmful, and give examples and facts. You'll be surprised how well they listen to even-tempered people.

Sincerely,
Progressive guy raised in Alabama and living in Arkansas

P.S. The quality of a Waffle House is positively correlated to the stickiness of the tables. Walk in, put your arms on a table, lift your arms, and only stay if some of your arm hairs remained on the table.
  • 8 1
 stop being so even-keeled, its triggering me.
  • 10 1
 @74tenomresc: North American perception of distance is crazy. Riding 2-4 hours away? Like that's close lol 5 hours to somewhere to surf? Basically miles from anywhere good to ride or surf then.
  • 6 0
 @tom666: I felt the same way when I read that, too. I don't like to walk more than a block for 2 pints and a packet of crisps.
  • 2 0
 For a second there I thought you were bragging about having to go on loooong drives to get to riding spots!
  • 1 0
 @I can tell you’re from England
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 @endlessblockades: haha. Except we don't say block here - would have to say 400 yards I think. I'm not hating by the way - this is actually a really good quality informative post. It is just crazy to me though that anybody would talk about that kind of distance like it isn't far away.
  • 1 1
 @dubod22: If you're talking to me, I'm Cali born n raised. I was referencing a Splodgeness song in case our UK brethren were familiar wif it.
  • 1 0
 @tom666: It depends on the state that you live in. In central states it's normal to drive 30 mins to an hour to go get groceries. But in other states, 10 mins would be normal
  • 22 1
 labor, land and state taxes...and sweet tea.
  • 18 1
 You forgot some other Southern perks... Biscuits and Gravy Fried Chicken Chicken and Waffles Waffle House Moonshine Not on a Fault Line Crap, I'm hungry.
  • 3 2
 @medardlefevre: you sir are correct.
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 @medardlefevre:
I do miss me some country ham on occasion.
  • 2 0
 and good "shine" from what Ive heard!
  • 2 1
 ...and extreme humidity.
  • 2 0
 and the Clermont Lounge...
  • 1 0
 @nuttypoolog: Magic City rules all.
  • 12 3
 there are currently 40 million people living in california. a state which has water resources to support +- 10 million people. 1 in 8 americans lives in CA. those are just facts. i believe the state government in CA is actively pursuing policies to drive people away and discourage new people from moving there. and that's just good policy, like it or not. CA is stretched to it's limits. i grew up there in the 70's/80's and i left for a reason...too many f*cking people.
  • 3 1
 Many of the eastern states are also draining their water tables at an unsustainable rate. Atlanta is a good example.
  • 1 0
 @vtbert: yeah, i live in asheville NC, work in the movie biz down in hotlanta 4-5 months a year. some summers get really dry down there, i think it was '11 that they were starting to talk about rationing? some years there's not much to worry about.
  • 4 0
 But there is a shit-ton of open land. These app-holes are all clustered up in yuppie-hives
  • 7 0
 it would be smart to move with the company if possible, imagine selling a house in cali and coming to georgia to buy a house of equal price. I had friends growing up whos families moved here to NC from the west coast and they had huge houses, when I saw pictures of there old houses they were shacks in comparison.
  • 4 1
 If you sold a $1million house in SV/Santa Cruz. It would likely be less than 2500 sq ft on likely land no bigger than the footprint of the house with MAYBE a garage big enough for 1 car. In Hall County, Georgia, at minimum you would have a 4500sq ft+ house on over 1 acre with a 3 car garage.
  • 8 3
 I'm in cycling and we sold a $1M house in SoCal and moved to the Midwest where we bought a house that is 200sq ft bigger(2900sq ft now), 3 years old and sits on 1.5 acres for half of what we sold our California house for. We also have a nationally ranked school system, low taxes and very little traffic. Best move ever
  • 7 1
 @Swangarten: one problem. You have to live in the Midwest. I grew up in PA and moved to California to get the f out of the constant crap weather. Yes it’s expensive, yes the government sucks, but it’s the most beautiful and geographically diverse state in the country. Also, if you live far outside of LA and the Bay Area, there are cheaper places to live. In my area, you can buy a nice, newer 2,000 sq ft house for $300k and live within 30 minutes of Sacramento, two hours from SF/ocean, 1.5 hours from Tahoe and an hour from Downieville. These are places that people save money to visit for vacation, but I enjoy them year round. Plus, nearly constant blue skies.
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 @Levelheadsteve: Gold Country! Sounds like you live where I grew up.
  • 11 2
 guess I'll quit periodically checking Fox's job openings now...
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 If you really want a job then fight for it
  • 1 1
 Fox still has the Santa Cruz/SV office, it's not going anywhere. And a location in El Cajon. and a location in Fletcher, NC. and a soon-to-be new location in Reno. They are only closing the Watsonville location to relocate it to Reno, and opening new facilities in Georgia, one of which has been established next to Road Atlanta in Braselton for over a year.
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 @74tenomresc: They're not closing Watsonville... fyi.
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 @onemanarmy: "Additionally, FOX plans to relocate its aftermarket bike products distribution, sales, and service operations from Watsonville and Scotts Valley, California to Reno, Nevada to better serve its customers."

that's a quote from the first paragraph of the press release that Fox released on Global News Wire.
  • 2 1
 @74tenomresc: Where does it say they're closing Watsonville?
  • 2 1
 @onemanarmy: I would assume relocating would mean they would subsequently close it. As far as i know Watsonville is service and warehouse, and those operations are moving to Reno. I'm simply making inferences into the press release.
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 @74tenomresc: key word..... bike...
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 @onemanarmy: ahhhhhh so is there offroad and truck in Watsonville as well?
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 @onemanarmy: ah the powered rec vehicle operation is out there. can i delete comments? :p oops
  • 2 1
 @74tenomresc: Trust me... footinmouth is my middle name. LOL!

There's a lot going on in Watsonville. Killer brewery right there too.
  • 2 0
 @onemanarmy: LOL i've learned to become humble and accept when I'm objectively wrong. Or just embrace the taste of shoe. I get stuck in my bike bubble

I haven't been there, yet. But I have been to Alvarado Street in Monterrey ;p
  • 1 1
 @74tenomresc: That's a good one. One of the better breweries out there.
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 @74tenomresc: "The Company’s Scotts Valley, California location will remain an essential shared services facility housing certain corporate functions."

Any guess what the certain corporate functions are?
  • 8 0
 @twozerosix:

Hookers n blow
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 @niko-bellic: I'll be sending my resume over asap
  • 7 1
 Conspicuous absence of cost of living comment. (For those that don’t know, look at Scott’s Valley’s proximity to the expensive Bay Area)
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 Fox has over 800 employees.
That's a friggin huge company!
Think about payrol every two weeks. More than half a million dollars to employees every two weeks.
Mountain bike products are probably a small percentage of what Fox makes.
Still does anyone care if they moved HQ ?
Nope.
But they have a new and improved damper in the works.
Again.
If the head lines were: Fox is bringing back the coil spring for forks the comments would be about 200 thick.
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flag knightmarerider (Nov 1, 2018 at 12:51) (Below Threshold)
 Actually mountain bike suspension is the biggest part of FOX's business, around 60% I recall, and fox was founded as
mountain bike suspension company.
Besides you don't see a lot of fox product outside the MTB area, well, except those big shocks on the raptor
  • 3 0
 They make the shocks for my Timbersled snowbike. Also I do hope they bring back a coil 36. I regret selling mine.
  • 4 0
 @knightmarerider: Fox's biggest segment is OE automotive. I.E Ford, Toyota, and soon to be the tractor trailer market i.e. Freightliner. MTB is 2nd. 3rd is powered recreational vehicles (side x sides, ATV, motorcyle), with many OE customers as well such as Bombardier (Polaris RZR's, the Sea Doo jet ski that had a suspended hull). They also do race offroad, such as trophy trucks and other baja vehicles, and they also have defense/military contracts.
  • 2 1
 @knightmarerider: @knightmarerider: I've had Fox on my last two trucks (Tundra) as well as my last two sleds in addition to bikes. The sled and truck stuff is just as awesome as the bikes. Smile
  • 2 1
 @WhatToBuy Username checks out
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 @bogey: I've been interested in trying a cane creek fork but opted for a new DVO Diamond.
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 @Ride406orDie: sweet choice also!
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 Makes sense. Trying to so business anywhere near Silicon Valley is an expensive nightmare. Long term this gives them capital to expand with the less risk. Sucks tho for everyone working there tho. Lots of good people there and they are close to a lot of pivotal west coast bike companies.
  • 5 1
 Eastern singletrack is kiiler and wavepools are coming.. the surfers on staff wont complain too much and will actually be able to buy a house
  • 12 6
 Agreed, east coast is bringing their bike park game up in a big way. Cali weather though is hard to beat. I won’t get into the social climate of the south (I’m from N.C. so I know)
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 @bikebike69: I'm from Atlanta, Georgia and I live in NC, and I do not agree with your implied assessment of the "social climate of the south".
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 @74tenomresc: ... then you haven’t seen enough of it! Born there left at 25! Socially,polictally not a pleasant place overall....unless you’re white.
Coastal towns like the Outer Banks and College towns are the only exception. Otherwise....still redneck central.
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 @bikebike69: born there at 25? I was born in atlanta and lived there until i moved to NC at 28. I have lived in the south for 30 years now, and I still do not agree with your implied assessment. Your opinion is completely fine, I don't care. I just don't want other people to look at this thread and see one side to the story.
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 @74tenomresc: , if you’ll slow down to read. I stated I left at 25. And that there are better areas... but as a whole it’s still very much the south! Glad you seem to like it there....it’s not for me. We prefer a more progressive area.
  • 16 2
 @bikebike69: I've lived in NC all my life (I'm old as crap)... and have spent some time in California. I tend to think that once you get away from the coast in Cali, socially/politically it gets a lot more like Georgia than most people think.
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 @preach: perhaps. Although we haven’t experienced that yet. Our travels have only solidified our decision to move here. We came mainly for the weather but were excited about more diversity. We’d never go back.
I’ll totally admit the cost of living is a MF but can’t say it’s not worth it.......right now. We’ll see how we feel about it when we’re not doing as much outdoor activity as we do now!?
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 @preach: ....BTW, Bailey looks like they’re killing it this year! If I did visit home, I’d hit it.
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 @bikebike69: it’s a super fun place and really really nice people who run it yessir
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 @74tenomresc : I'm from Norfolk, Virginia and I live in WA State, and I totally agree with his implied assessment of the "social climate of the south." My upbringing in the confederacy is most remembered by having all aspects of social life and school segregated by skin color, socially run by evangelicals, produces politicians who are climate science deniers, and is full of people who celebrate the confederate flag and confederate statutes in the name of "tradition" without acknowledging it was based on a tradition of slavery. It's also hot as balls.
  • 10 6
 +1 on the social climate. I was raised in MD, including college, (so the North says I'm from the South and vice versa, I say mid-Atlantic) and have been to every eastern coastal state plenty of times. I've never been made more aware of my race than when I'm south of Fredericksburg and north of Jacksonville. I've had Confederate flags waved at me and been told to leave. Yes, there is a social climate. I don't think it describes everyone there, but it pervades enough to be worth mentioning.
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 @vtbert: Nice! Your opinion is also appreciated, although I still do not agree. We are both about the same age, and I lived in a "hick town" in Georgia and never saw any of the aspects you describe. There are shitty people everywhere you go though, so no doubt you experienced some poor individuals, as have i. However I wholesale disagree with the implied notion that the south is inherently a racist place. I will also say that I do not care for these people you describe either, evangelicals, climate change deniers, etc etc.
  • 3 2
 @preach: you're not wrong about that.i grew up in el cajon CA, we used to call santee KLAN-TEE for a reason. nothing but redneck/whitetrash tweekers for miles. joe dirts everywhere
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 @bikebike69: on the other hand, there are plenty of little blue pockets in the sea of red here in the south. asheville NC, athens GA, chattanooga TN...
  • 2 1
 @vtbert: I tend also to think we have less “snowflakes” here. Both the literal and “” kind :-)
  • 3 2
 @flipoffthemonkeys: true enough,as I stated above.
We were lucky enough to spend time in many places growing up as my fathers job moved us a lot. The Outer Banks (Kitty Hawk), Asheville, Chaple Hill, Charlotte...etc. But also we were in some really not great places I couldn’t wait to rid myself of. But anyone thinking that the South isn’t still the South is either ill informed.....or part of the southern problem.
  • 6 4
 Kalifornistan succeeds yet again in pushing business(es) into the welcoming arms of states that are more focused on their citizens working, then they are about wringing every last cent of tax revenue they can out of everything and everyone that generates income for themselves.
  • 3 1
 IF any mountain bikers had to relocate to Hall County, Georgia, they would be 90 minutes from the 1996 Olympic MTB venue and surrounded by other places to ride. It's not Santa Cruz, but it ain't nothing.
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 Have you been there? It's pretty much nothing.... especially when compared to SC.

But if you're into cross country or gravel grinding there's plenty.
  • 1 1
 @onemanarmy: The mountain bikers aren't going anywhere, only corpo HQ is going to be in Ga and then a production facility opening up. Sure there are probably corpo guys that ride bikes, but the actual employees that work in the bike division are moving to Reno.
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 @74tenomresc: I'm aware.

I will elaborate on the riding in that area of Georgia. It's freaking beautiful country there. Tons of trees and rolling hills. Tons of trails. Very nice people. Not the vertical you have in Santa Cruz but not nothing as the desert man said. It's expanding. The cross country vibe is strong out there. Especially with the youths.
  • 2 1
 @onemanarmy: In addition, only couple hours to Windrock, Asheville, Bailey's, REEB Ranch and numerous other Eastern Tenn and Western NC locations.
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 @bman33: Agreed. Asheville is awesome and the riding is great over there from my understanding. It's not far from a lot. I really do think it's amazing country there. I was just out there.

Just keep me away from Atlanta. lol.
  • 2 0
 @onemanarmy: Haha. Indeed. I am native Atlanta. Been living in Denver for almost ten years now. Still miss the food and some friends from ATL. However, if I had to move back to the SE, it would be Asheville if I could.
  • 4 0
 @onemanarmy: You couldn't be any farther from the truth. Check your facts, dude. I live in Hall County and we have access to some of the best biking in the SE. Bull/Jake Mountain, Ellijay (Bear Creek/Pinhoti), Chicopee Woods (in Hall county), Lake Russell, Fort Yargo, Big Creek in Roswell, Blankets Creek, Rope Mill, Yonah Mountain, Wildcat Creek - just to name a few. And we're just two hours from Pisgah - east coast riding bliss.
  • 1 0
 @Tearsforgears: next time I'm out there take me for a tour.... I'm serious. I just got back form there.
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 @onemanarmy: Sure thing, bro! We've got some great and diverse trails out here.
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 @Tearsforgears: Sick. I didn't have a bike with me this time. I did last time I was out there. I will the next time I'm out there. This time around I did some side by side work. It was a freaking blast. Watched the storm roll in from the 73 floor in Atlanta. LOL!
  • 2 1
 Divided States of America?! Good reading the comments section. Apple and many other companies cannot attract enough young skills anymore in the valley. Living costs outweigh the benefits. This is happening with many business centers around the world. When we finally reach real digitisation and the final level of Industry 4.0 I feel we will see much more of this. Full automation will reshape society.... If we make it this far......going by the comments section probably not.
  • 1 0
 Politics has nothing to do with forks. It's all about profits, tho. They keep the price the same, and profit from saving dough on expenses. Like wages. Just wait for the robots and AI.....nobody will have a job in the long run. We'll all be "useless eaters".
  • 5 0
 Cool
  • 4 1
 Doesn't matter, it only benefits FOX. Their fork prices will still be expensive!
  • 2 1
 But maybe this will keep them from being even MORE expensive.
  • 4 0
 Hopefully quality control goes up with this move. Sleepy Ass Fox.
  • 1 0
 boo their service department was close to my home, and I have used it a couple times. How inconvenient! But their stocks are up 18 percent today and have some pretty good monies in there. Smile
  • 4 0
 Fox Orange soon to be replaced by Georgia Peach Orange.
  • 2 2
 That’s an interesting move. Got a lot of buddies who I guess they’re going to lose their jobs now. I wonder where they’re going to go to have there pro’s try the new stuff out. I know here in Cali they would use local trails or have their own built. Good luck enjoying the humidity and mosquitoes on your rides LOL. That’s why I moved here from there.
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 If humidity and mosquitos are your only problems, you're a fucking pussy
  • 1 0
 @LOLWTF: says the troll page. MMWWAAHH here is a kiss little biotch.
  • 1 2
 @krumpdancer101: good old trump supporter here thinking everyone is a troll. Is this fake news too?
  • 1 0
 @LOLWTF: WOW my first fan. I hope you didn’t stay up all night reading my posts so you know all about me LOL. Keep thinking you know me by reading on the Internet.
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 @krumpdancer101: yeah that's exactly what I said...
  • 4 0
 This article in four words. Big Grin

Better corporate tax rate.
  • 9 7
 i bet the mtn bikers who work there are pissed. moving from Santa Cruz to freaking Georgia....... hard pass
  • 4 2
 the mountain bikers are going to Reno, only corpo HQ and a production facility will be in Georgia. so no, not a hard pass.
  • 9 3
 Some sure. But if you wanted to work for Fox now in an entry level position, there is no way you could afford housing out in northern california.
  • 2 1
 I was thinking the same when I was reading it too. It’d be a no go for me!
  • 1 1
 @74tenomresc: Article says "aftermarket" bike products.. are going to Reno. Not sure what that means though...
  • 8 0
 The biking in that part of North Georgia (mountains) is great. Similar Western NC and Eastern Tenn.
  • 5 0
 @acali: you could totally afford an entry level cubby hole in a 1 bedroom apartment that's shared with 3 other people
  • 3 1
 @74tenomresc: much rather be in the Reno area than anywhere in Cali....Of course I wouldn't give up CO for any of those places but I also don't manufacture anything
  • 2 0
 @kremebrulee: It means I no longer have to pay CA sales tax when I buy parts or a custom shock direct from Fox, but I can still drop off and pick up service items in Watsonville. I think....
  • 1 0
 @kremebrulee: Aftermarket is a small segment of the operation. Only the people you would talk to or are involved when buying a fork to upgrade your bike. OE, race, engineering, etc are all staying in SV.
  • 1 1
 @endlessblockades: Nope. They'll still have a business presence in California so you'll pay sales tax.
  • 1 1
 @acali: Doesn't depend on where something is warehoused and shipped from?
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 @onemanarmy: You have a "sales tax nexus" by having an office, sale or sample room or place, warehouse or storage place, or other place of business in California.
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 @acali: sure you can. just get 7 room mates, because that gives you a good quality of life.
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 @Grmasterd: Wonder what kind of jobs will be opening in Reno? Asking for a friend...
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 I hear it’s a great place for east coasters to relocate ???? @dmarsh15:
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 @Grmasterd: No its a terrible place, no one should come here...
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 I would move my company to Oklahoma. Nice city in the middle of the country with a bunch of young workers, 6.25 minimum wage, and cheap land n taxes. Oh sweet sweet Oklahoma
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 Maybe this will allow them to send out spare crown steerer units by the handful.
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 I heard it’s easier to grow the kAshima plants in GA
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 Make CA great again!...starting 11/6.
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 smart move! CA cost to much for everything, thats the price of taxing business. business are the back bone of the US economy, job creators soon CA could be Detroit lol
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 Make Fox Great Again!!!


#MFGA
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 Good move although Utah would of been nice! I expect a large exudos from cali due to it being a awful place!
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 Dear California people moving to Nevada. Please leave your old voting habits in California. Thank you - "The Management."
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 I hope they assemble forks and shocks properly with an adequate amount of oil in the lowers and air can. Can't believe the shit ive seen from Fox over the past few years.
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 Since you guys are moving and all ... if you need someone to lighten the load I could swing by and take a couple forks and rear shocks!
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 California is sticking it to all businesses and middle class working people. It’s going to be a liberal dust bowl in 10 years or less.
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 Meanwhile, Cane Creek drops fork prices to $900.
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 California to Georgia? For the cost of doing business yeah but for living? no way.
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 Excape the crime and homelessness. . . . .
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 you live in Florida, it's pretty much the same place but with lakes instead of the beach and its not as hot(probably more humid though).
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 @MX298: So much crime and homelessness in Scotts Valley
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 @me2menow: Beautiful area but you stop at a red light and your bike disappears out of the back of your truck and the camps are everywhere too. . . . Sad!
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 @MX298: Cant tell if youre sarcastically doing a trump impersonation haha
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 @MX298: there are both of those everywhere, specially in places where the weather doesn't swing to the extremes....like the southeast.
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 @74tenomresc: At least Georgia has real dirt and elevation change. Florida is a sandbar that should have never been inhabited in the first place.
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 But will they continue to make 29+compatible forks in Georgia?
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 This is a huge move, but also very smart!
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 I'd love to work for Fox but will never live in the south. Don't love the idea of living in California either though haha
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 go west young men/women, leave when you have gray.
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 I'll be here until I retire. Then I'll take my pension and (hopefully) money made in real estate and bail tf out.
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 GO DAWGS!!!!! Ohh and Novatec moved to Georgia this time last year. Cool to see industry growing in the south
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 So I guess the product prices will go down then?
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 Almost guaranteed not! Profit first!
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 Haha. Wouldn't hold your breath. They already know what the market will support... why lower prices when you can increase profit instead?
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 @pinhead907: real talk lol
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 @bikebike69: Thats cool. I get $300 off of there forks . Im good.
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 Or “their” . Lol fml ha!
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 Moving from Cali to a state of climate change deniers can never be a good thing.
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 Should have moved to NWA.. mountain biking is exploding there.
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 Were can I apply? I’m in reno
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 Smart move.
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 I might move to Georgia too, a 500k house here goes for 250k out there.
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 I ride RockShox.
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 Hold the presses, someone left California and didn't invade Colorado!!!! THERE IS HOPE!!!! sorry Georgia
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 I moved from CA to CO but sorry, not sorry.
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 Bro, don't leave your sense of humor and thick skin in the move. I'm from the east coast, giving a sarcastic ribbing is just a part of who I am. Since you've moved here, if something makes you mad, just smoke a bowl, and down a craft beer you hipster.
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