Frostbike 2018: New Tires, Shoes, and Sealant

Feb 19, 2018
by Zach White  
Minnesota in February seems an unlikely time and place for anything cycling-related, yet for the past 14-years Quality Bicycle Parts(QBP) has drawn an ever-increasing crowd of shop owners and employees to their annual Frostbike open-house style event. The two-day soiree takes place in QBP’s warehouse just outside of Minneapolis, with seminars and tech classes on the first day, and about a hundred companies showing product to dealers the following day in trade show fashion.

It’s like a much more manageable and cozy version of Interbike, but with cheese curds and down jackets. If you’re familiar with QBP, it won’t be a surprise that a large chunk of product being shown was specific to road, gravel, commuter, BMX, and fat biking - not that there’s anything wrong with any of that. But, there were a handful of mountain bike related bits and pieces found at this year’s Frostbike that seemed worth mentioning.



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Finish Line

Finish Line has a new tire sealant that is free of latex, ammonia, and adhesives, which the company claims means it won't dry out. Unlike a chemical reaction to seal punctures, Finish Line's sealant relies on Kevlar fibers to form a mechanical seal on holes up to 1/4-inch. The fibers mesh together within a second or two, and create an airtight patch that should hold strong for continued use.

The sealant itself is non-toxic, weighs about the same as the usual latex versions available, will stay viscous above -10-degrees Fahrenheit, and is said to last the life of the tires it's put into. Available in March in four sizes: 4oz for $8.99, 8oz for $14.99, 1-liter for $39.99, and a 1-gallon container of the stuff is offered to shops for an undisclosed price. As a baseline, Finish Line recommends using about 4oz per 29-inch tire, and closer to 3oz for a 27.5.



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Micheline's new Wild Enduro tire is a burlier version of their Wild AM.

Michelin Tires

Michelin offered a look at their Wild Enduro tire, which won't officially be released until later this year. The one we were able to take a very quick look at was a 27.5 x 2.4", and looks a lot meatier than the Wild AM that Michelin introduced last year.


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The Wild AM will soon be available in wider widths.

Speaking of Wild AM and its 2.35" width, Michelin will offer a 27.5 x 2.8" 27.5 x 2.6" Wild AM this June for $64. Wider Force AM tires are also on the way later this summer for the same price, and if that sounds a bit steep, Michelin is adding a Performance line of the Wild and Force tires in March that is said to be about $15-20 less per tire, depending on size and flavor. Still #26forlife? Michelin is also offering 26-inch versions that should be available as early as March.




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The Teravail Kennebec (right) and Cumberland (left).


Teravail Tires

Teravail tires is one of QBP's brands, and is relatively new to the mountain bike tire market. With initial offerings in gravel tires several years ago, they expanded their line to include trail tires late last year. The Cumberland and Kennebec are each a dual compound 60a/52a mountain bike tire that are recommended as a rear/front combo, respectively. Available in 29 x 2.6" or 27.5 x 2.8", they lean towards the plus size section, and both are offered in a Durable or Light and Supple casing.


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Both 60tpi casings are dual ply, but the Durable version has a nylon insert for added protection, which is said to come at an approximately 20% weight penalty across the size chart. For example, the 27.5-inch Kennebec weighs 980-grams in Light and Supple, and 1150-grams with the Durable casing. While the company is based in Minnesota, Teravail claims they've done extensive testing in the rocky regions of Colorado and Utah. Available now, both tires retail for $70, or $80 with the beefier casing. Need a little more float for your boat? The 27.5 x 3" Coronado is said to excel in sandy conditions, comes in either a 120tpi single ply casing or 60tpi double ply version, and should be available in April.





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Mariposa's VitaminaCL may not sparkle, but it's said to achieve the same tire sealing benefits as glitter.


Mariposa

Though not nearly as sparkly, Mariposa's VitaminaCL is said to work a lot better at improving tire sealant potency than your little sister's glitter you keep stealing. The disappointingly plain white powder is claimed to seal up to 8mm holes, which they say is double the otherwise 4mm max size for regular sealant. Used in a 1/10 ratio of VitaminaCL to sealant, a jar of the stuff retails for $30 and should average out to about 2-liters of mixed tire goop.



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Five Ten's new Sleuth slip-on.

Five Ten

In the market for a casual summer slip-on with enough grip to comfortably manual all the way down to the beach? Five Ten's new Sleuth features an almost mesh style top that should be very breathable, and is matched with their Marathon rubber sole, complete with the familiar micro dotty tread pattern and removable EVA footbed. They'll be retailing for $80 at a shop near you sometime in March.


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Five Ten Impact Pro


After a few production hiccups, Five Ten's Impact Pro is now available, too. The flats-only shoe features a new Stealth S1 compound with updated multi-dotty tread pattern that's designed to help off-the-bike traction while walking up or down the track. Living up to its name, Five Ten is using Poron in the toe box for impact resistance, which is another version of a malleable material that hardens upon impact. Thanks in part to replacing the old EVS midsole with a polyurethane one, which is claimed to be 30% thinner, the Impact Pro sits slightly slimmer than its predecessors in the Five Ten lineage. Retailing for $160, look for them in either black or camo.


200 Comments

  • + 155
 I’m sorry. As good as the five tens may be, they still look like geriatric footwear.
  • + 18
 I like the look of my Freeriders but agree some of the others look a bit OAP... (yeah you know me... que Naughty By Nature)
  • + 70
 Well, we are not getting any younger....
  • + 17
 now, who said gramps could never shred. Now he can do it in style
  • + 8
 Think they are taking the piss tbh. First they came with that Mi6 rubber which meant that soles were falling off left right and centre (mostly because for some reason they didn't stich the entire sole). Now all of a sudden grip isn't that important anymore and they went back to that S1 stuff. How about making a proper connection between sole and shoe, like pretty much any manufacturer does? How about giving the customer the choice between grip and durability? Why make the Freerider's sole stiffer? Do they realise this doesn't quite work with deep concave pedals like Vaults? Typical American marketing driven brand.
  • + 1
 @fartymarty: you down wit OPP
  • + 1
 @cuban-b: you mean down wit OAP
  • + 10
 They look like the steel toed work shoes you find at WalMart.
  • + 5
 Sleuth looks great for trail riding. When Enduro has too much travel, feels too serious and too specific... do trail. No fanny packs, no straps, no laces, just pure mountain biking.

@bonkywonky - in my experience Mi6 is not as grippy as S1. Not that I would care that much, but after 3 years on Impacts VXii I am gladly going back to Impact Lows.
  • + 13
 would be 100% cooler with velcro. #makevelcrogreatagain
  • + 27
 vans needs to bring back their gravel model shoe
  • + 10
 Maybe I can get my podiatrist to prescribe me a pair, my insurance wont know the difference between a pair of Impacts and prescription orthopedics.
  • + 1
 @cuban-b: i'm down with OAP, yeah you know me....
  • + 1
 @fullbug: that was a Fing great shoe. I loved mine and then they stopped making them.
  • + 2
 Fiveten shoes look fine with me. I use impact low for mountainbiking but use freeriders to work and impact high if it is rainy and I expect the freeriders to become soaked, otherwise the impact high is my hiking shoe. And I'm incredibly stylish, mind you.
  • + 1
 @fartymarty: agreed, sir. bought 2 pair but mine are hangin on for dear life. lol. new shimano flat pdl shoe looks promising.
  • - 1
 That Impact Pro looks like a shoe for clumsy toddlers. The slip-on doesn't look much better, maybe worse but in a different way. I did just finally pick up some Kestrels though. I got sick of waiting for them to make some minor refinements, like maybe getting them a little lighter, and decided to just get some as a second/spare pair since they were on sale. I'm looking forward to trying them. I hope they work out.
  • + 1
 I got Vaults, I got free rides too. Even missing a bunch of pegs from strikes . All good my side. @bonkywonky:
  • + 2
 @fullbug: im jelly. Given they were a BMX shoe I am surprised they stopped making them.
  • + 5
 @macross87: geriatric look is honestly the "in" style right now. You can see lots of young women in LA and New York using walkers on the streets right now
  • + 3
 @bonkywonky: adidas is german
  • + 5
 I like the tweed slippers, and before you say anything it's got nothing to do with me being a masters racer - I just think they'll go well with my smoking jacket.
  • + 5
 I’m 60 and I wouldn’t wear those clod hoppers.
  • + 2
 @OnkleJoachim I could care less what it looks like as long as it does the job, they are covered in mud for half the year anyway lol
  • + 0
 @bonkywonky: have you tried a pair of FiveTens? They work really well with the concave shape of a Vault. As for the Mi6 rubber being too soft and not durable, my Impact Vxi's are over a year old and have done 2000+ miles of DH, XC and general riding in all weathers and are only just starting to show some wear on the soles. Give them a wash and they look nearly new.
As for the 'Typical American' brand thing, a few years ago when they were like sponges I'd agree with you. But now they're under the Adidas brand the quality and technical approach is much better. They're certainly better than my last pair of Shimano AM41 flats were!
  • + 1
 @bonkywonky:

FiveTen has been German-owned since 2011.
  • + 2
 I applied for a busboy job at the senior care home in those.
  • + 2
 Three times, and I didn’t get the job
  • + 1
 @DaMilkyBarKid: I dunno but you must be lucky then. But did you read what he really wrote?
I ride mostly Enduro here in good old Europe and my 6 old xvi's with the Mi6 are dead.
Punctured rubber within 2 months from my superior VP harrier's. Lost thread pattern on the tip and heels.
No real protection on this shoe but they announced that it should have something. Rock strikes are painful on the tip of this incomplete shoe.
The rubber comes off in the inside of the center.
Totally disappointed in this product. I won't buy anything soon from them...
  • + 3
 Freeriders are the best looking bike shoes since they came out. Dirtbag and Spitfire are also looking great even if they are more for the streets. I agree some of Fivetens are terrible, but they still make the best in terms of look. I wouldn't change my Freeriders for anything. Not only because they work great, but because they look even better.
  • + 1
 Cyclists talking about good looking footwear... so fkng Dolce. You are walking in what effectively is shit stompers, not really a place for fashion statement. Freeriders best looking, awh mhy ghawd.
  • + 0
 @WAKIdesigns: It's all matter of taste, obviously, but how many MTB shoes can you run on your bike, at the office or at the pub, for example, and not looking ridiculous at all?
  • + 0
 @mentalhead: Well I don’t really plan to go for a beer in biking shoes, definitely not a date and not on a meeting. If I think about it I just want my biking shoes on my feet when I plan to stomp on pedals...
  • + 1
 @WAKIdesigns: If I'm going anywhere, most of the time I will be on my bike anyway. It would be silly to get shoes for something else unless it poses different demands, like running shoes for running. So that's what I have. Running shoes for running and different pairs of fivetens for everything else.
  • + 1
 @vinay: I looked inside myself today, did some math and came to a conclusion that I have 11 pairs of shoes, including 2 pairs of five tens, hiking and running shoes... I've been to a meeting today and I'm at least 8 pairs over a real keep-it-real MTB warrior. Be proud, walk ya passion shoes into a career interview. I have a feeling that Freeriders are almost too Enduro, Spitfires or GTFO. Actually skate shoes from department store work better and cost nothing. This MTB stuff is way too overpriced. And if you must spend some real cash - Vans For Life man BTW I have Vans too, just in case some cool guys with long, playful non 29" bikes invite me for a meeting where chilled-out is a mandatory dress code.
  • + 1
 @WAKIdesigns: I'm a teacher so it is pretty much come as you are. I need to ride my bike to get there so it is just much more convenient to get something that works. So on a normal day I'll be on freeriders. If it is wet enough that I'm concerned they'll be soaked for a couple of days (or when they're still soaked) I'm on impact high. If it really is pissing with rain or snowing or just when I'm in the machine workshop, I'll be on soldier boots. Career interviews have probably also been on my fivetens yeah. Social stuff, graduation stuff...

Not saying I'm always need to stick with fiveten but I've found they work well for me. James Wilson sent a mail about a shop that sells his catalyst pedals but which are actually about natural footwear. And these also have a wider toe box so I'm looking into those as well. But I need to find a shop here that sells these shoes as I don't want to needlessly pay for the shipping all the way from the US. But yeah if I can find these I might change from wearing fivetens for nearly everything.
  • + 2
 The Danny Macaskill shoes are actually pretty nice. Bought mine a year ago and they're still going strong.
  • + 2
 Don't know what you guys are complaining about. These shoes don't look like old people shoes. They look perfect. Like they could pedal hard. uphill. both ways. 6 ft of snow.
  • + 2
 @WAKIdesigns: form follows function. It's possible to have both, but as seen with hideous paint jobs on many bikes, either designers are oblivious to this, or like to create ugly things out of something that could otherwise look appealing.
  • - 1
 @woofer2609: it's like this... once I've been in a pretentious cafe and three roadies came in. Two of them had TT suits. I thought to myself: They look like they did some serious mileage... they look like three sperms in wrong place at the wrong time of the month... and then I realized they were happy within their little bubble. Who am I to judge.
  • + 1
 @WAKIdesigns: I will go to meetings in my Freeriders. That's the joy of being you own boss.
  • + 1
 @vinay: If im riding between meeting / site visits in London chances are i'm in my Freeriders.
  • - 1
 @fartymarty: I can go in freeriders if I wanted to. There’s been a dude coming ti a jib interview in stainy old white Tshirt. There was a rather large stain that we all hoped was coffee, He was so awake as fuk that we were too affraid of his free mind that we didn’t employ him. Out of fear and jelaousy
  • + 1
 Perfect. How many times have you slipped on your...er..slippers on to pop the rubbish out only to walk back in past your bike. A quick driveway manual and curb pop and back to reality. Ideal.
  • + 1
 @lordchewington: Damn, you too? I do it in crocs tho but 5 10s would be far more stylish.
  • + 1
 @WAKIdesigns: Fear and jealousy, a powerful combination of emotions.
  • + 0
 @fartymarty: yes, we are still ashamed of ourselves. He even had a key chain and tight jeans, so he was rather disciplined and consequent in his looks. My boss was also a sexist in a way, he was irritated that most young males talk a lot about what sports and travels they do rather than where they worked and what profession specific things they were doing, while girls tend to be more focused on their work experience. Being an avid sportsman himself, to my surprise he didn't like those cool dudes instead of saying that girls suck. Possibly jelaous and affraid of losing adventurous male alpha position in the office.
  • + 1
 @bonkywonky: search out SCG Shoe Co ... they're an underdog for sure, but they claim zero delaminations ever. I've ridden the same pair for over a year, without a single stitch coming out. The company just isn't attending the big trade shows or buying flashy ads.. but the shoes are for real.
  • + 1
 @Someoldfart: I'm 69 riding a carbon Mach 5.7 WITH 26" WHEELS (AND TIRES!) and it's ALSO GOT A 2X DRIVETRAIN, and NO DROPPER POST and I agree with the clodhopper comment. They cost too much too.
New Balance running shoes and FLAT PEDALS with meat-gouging teeth complete the ensemble.
  • + 1
 @Ryanrobinson1984: "young" is all relative; if I'm 80, 65 is young.
  • + 1
 Agree 100%.
  • + 24
 Slipons - Perfect for telling those kids on eBikes to get off your trail.
  • + 22
 michelin should call it the wild AF
  • + 18
 We know Five Ten is owned by Adidas, why don't they just get a designer from there to help them out with their extremely bulky designs? I think my next pair of bike shoes will have to be from another brand, I'm sick of paying $100 for shoes that only look good on a bike.
  • + 10
 Adidas did a terrible job with this years NHL jerseys...
  • + 10
 Maybe speak to the guys at Vans. They make great looking shoes.
  • + 8
 You'll be just like me. You'll try something else and reualise everything else is inferior and go back to 5.10, looks be damned
  • + 2
 Specialized 2fo’s has mine for over 3 years and still going strong. Way better than the 5tens I had.
  • + 7
 @fartymarty: If I could get some classic hi-tops with a 5 ten sole I would lose my mind.
  • + 4
 @fartymarty: Vans quality has been appalling since about 2010, soles falling off etc. For everyday use I swear by Adidas, Busenitzs usually last me around two years while even the old Vans would fall apart within a year. The last pair of TNT Mids I bought shat the bed after 4 months, what a complete joke.
  • + 1
 check out IONs shoes
  • + 3
 Get the adidas mountain biking shoes, they use the fiveten rubber.
  • + 2
 @bonkywonky:

I've had 2 pairs of Vans that the soles came completely off. Very disappointing.
  • + 1
 @mustbike: Five Ten used to sell a 'Five Ten Dot Resole Kit' but they've discontinued it. Maybe someone on Ebay etc has one as old stock. Or try a climbing shoe resoling company.
  • + 0
 Try the Specialized 2FO 2.0. I really like them, and they look pretty good on and off the bike.
  • + 1
 The Freerider ones look just fine IMO
  • + 1
 Wish they still made the cyclone. I’ve got a pair that’s 4yo still my main trail shoe. Love the ankle protection. Use they’re hiking shoes too. My kid wears his free riders everyday to school. The Nike shoes just sit there.
  • + 1
 @telemarc67: how? the vast majority of the jerseys look exactly the same as the reebok edge ones, and the ones that did get a redesign are either better, or the changes were so minor they dont matter.
  • + 1
 @bonkywonky: Been wearing vans my whole life. Never had a sole fall off. This goes from skating to riding bikes. WTF are you doing in them?
  • + 1
 Check out Pearl Izumis line of MTB flat pedal shoes. I have been using the 1st edition for a little more than 2 months now and absolutely love them.
  • + 1
 @jkelm:

I've been riding in FiveTen freeride shoes for about a year now..they work just fine..Smile
  • + 17
 I don't care if the new fivetens are thinner in the midsole... I would like to know if the outsoles of these $160 shoes will continue to start peeling away from the midsole 2 weeks after purchase.
  • + 3
 I really miss Teva Cranks.
  • + 1
 Check out Pearl Izumis new MTB flat pedal shoes. Owned for 2 months and look great, comfortable as hell and soooo much traction.
  • + 10
 That there jar of cocaine for $30, is a bargain. But I don' know why you would want to waste all that booger sugar by putting it your tire?
  • + 17
 You just wanted to say booger sugar. Always good to learn new terms for narcotics, though.
  • + 2
 @BenPea: Vitameatavegamin!
  • + 3
 It's PEOPLE!
  • + 1
 @BenPea: Aspen indoor lift lines... Peruvian marching powder, Columbian pennicillin.... hmmm all I can think of at this moment.
  • + 1
 @oneplanka: Aspen sounds fun. It's a bit more reggae in Frenchland.
  • + 9
 Really looking forward to those Michelin Wild Enduros coming out soon! The Rock R'2 and the Wild Grip'R are my favorite tires, love the Michelin casings and well supported side knobs.
  • + 2
 They look like prone to clog with heavy loam or slightly muddy terrain. , good for dryish stuff.
  • + 9
 The fact they are making new tires in 26 makes me think this year's set of rubber will be Michelin.
  • + 1
 I loved my old Michelin DH tire from the early 2ks. Hopefully these have some Cam Zink design input.
  • + 2
 Still waiting for the Rock'R2 in a 2.5. This wait has been a few years now. Going back to Maxxis for now. Why cant they figure this out???
  • + 1
 Love the Wild AM on the front of my 120mm bike, these look insane for the bigger rigs!!
  • + 12
 @EliotJackson They made 5.10 slippers!!!
  • + 1
 Haha you beat me to it. I hope Wyn TV interviews him on this and asks him if he is gonna wear these slippers in his race runs. hahaha
  • + 8
 The slip ins are for picking up chicks in the old folks home with a sick manual
  • + 1
 Walker Parkour!
  • + 2
 If they did white patent leather with matching belt, that would be sick.
  • + 1
 @TucsonDon: Carbon Zimmer frames, coming soon to an ocean near you.
  • + 8
 VitaminaCL is a dangerous name; somebody could want to make a protein shake of it....
  • + 6
 It's my pre-workout, bro!
  • + 14
 It will seal up to an 8mm hole, so only you know if it would be dangerous to ingest.
  • + 2
 uhhh...I'm not sure they researched "mariposa" very well either.

www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=mariposa
  • + 1
 @preach: They may be stupid enough to have VitaminaCL as the name but at least they don't use urban dictionary
  • + 3
 Put on your 5.10 loafers, confuse you're metmucil for vitamincl, now all I need is a boost Walker.
  • + 1
 @Chingus-Dude: yeah, I just put that in to give reference...go to any hispanic country and call some dude a Mariposa and see what happens....
  • + 5
 Five ten, Do you realize you make gym shoes? not ANSI approved steel toe work boots! Please hire someone that can design a good looking shoe and how about coming up with a last for some wide feet! That is all!!!
  • + 1
 THIS^
  • + 4
 Adidas has killed the entire 5.10 company. It's really too bad. Before Adidas bought them they had the best, climbing shoes, hiking shoes, approach shoes. Some pretty clever adventure shoes and their mountain bike line up has some pretty cool roots too. All gone now pretty much. Now that Adidas has killed the 5.10 website and brought the brand to their website Canadians can't even direct order for models that aren't sold here in BC. And that was pretty much every model except the Guide Tennie.. you could buy those things anywhere, which is weird because they are such a limited shoe with a super specific purpose. I'm not too sad about losing the mountain bike line of shoes because you can pretty much make anything work for a good riding shoe, however the stealth rubber beats everything else for hiking and climbing !! Good bye FiveTen.
  • + 5
 Five Ten... Please make a WIDE shoe for those of us in sizes 12.5 -13 etc. don't just stretch a size 8 to size 13 length. Wish I could still get Teva Cranks!
  • - 1
 Impacts VXii are wide as hell. Too wide for my wide feet.
  • + 1
 @WAKIdesigns: Are these wider than regular impact and freeriders? My toes usually like to spread and break the toe box of the shoes in the process. If these are wider I might need to give them a shot.
  • + 0
 @vinay: that is my experience. Please try them first though Smile
  • + 1
 @WAKIdesigns: Cool. Usually either the sole breaks free from the upper or the stitchings of the upper just release just at the side of the toe box. One solution would be to go with canvas freeriders from now on because they're a bit more flexible hence don't break that easily (though I'd probably need several pairs for them to dry after a wet ride) or I could try these VXiis. Obviously I'll need to try them but at least it is good to have another option to consider. Thanks!
  • + 2
 Huh?! I can't wear any 5-10s as they are just waaay to wide for me (and I am size 12-13).
  • + 2
 I don't have narrow feet at all and wear at 12, but the tow boxes on my Freeriders are wayyyyyy too big. I know all experiences and feet are different, but I don't get where so many calls for wider fits comes from. Maybe Adidas and 5.10 are just inconsistent with their sizing...
  • + 2
 My Impact Pros are really wide and I too have big feet.
  • + 1
 @WAKIdesigns: I have had brown Teva Pinners for 4 years, I wear them all the time. They're tough as nails.

I can't wear vans, too narrow. My impacts are tight at the pinky toe joint and falling apart, and I only use them for bmx racing and mtb.
  • + 2
 That finish line sealant is heavy as f**k compared to stans or orange. We got a 4oz bottle at the shop to test out and it weighs about as much as an 8oz bottle of orange seal... Seals up really well but damn its like double the weight of it's competition
  • + 2
 I'd definitely try that finish line sealant. I'd like to hear about how it smells... I hate using stans, I think it smells gross and feels slimy. I have been using orange seal, it just doesn't last very long out in the south west.

Also, why can't consumers buy it in gallons? I would buy a gallon... and I know a bunch of others who would too...
  • + 1
 I've had excellent results using orange seal "endurance" in the southwest. No drying out for me.
  • + 1
 Fiveten, what happened to the boa Kestrel? Not on the website anymore? I finally find my new favorite spd shoe and it’s now gone. Could work as an xc shoe to lift days to bikepacking. Dang, maybe needed a redesign, but not Death. The lace version isn’t as stiff without the carbon shank.
  • + 1
 Aesthetics matter. 510 has been dropping the ball on their gravity shoes for years. They look boring, have very little style differences, and generally look like they are for retards. Still waiting for a good design to justify buying them again. They used to be the top gravity shoe but Giro, Specialized, and Shimano are pulling away.
  • + 1
 "it won’t be a surprise that a large chunk of product being shown was specific to road, gravel, commuter, BMX, and fat biking - not that there’s anything wrong with any of that. But, there were a handful of mountain bike related bits and pieces found at this year’s Frostbike that seemed worth mentioning."

If PinkBike is going to give coverage to eBikes - which your readers generally hate - you could at least mention some of the cool non-MTB-specific bike stuff from the show - stuff I'd wager most of your readers are interested in. It's like you had to put in effort to filter out relevant content.
  • + 1
 @singletrackZach "the Impact Pro sits slightly slimmer than its predecessors in the Five Ten lineage". That's a bit ambiguous; slimmer in which dimension? Slimmer implies width. Or do you mean thinner top-to-bottom like the 30% comment alludes?
  • + 2
 Bought my first pair of five tens for this past season and they're already shredded. I think I'm going to return to wearing Jordans and get some longevity out of my expensive footwear.
  • + 2
 That Kennebec tire is about as durable feeling as any 2 ply I've tried. So far it has surpassed my expectations of traction and flat protection. It was a tight fit to mount though.
  • + 1
 I'm running a Kennebec 29/ 2.6 durable as a rear on a hardtail. The caption is flipped, its the one on the left. It's a bit of a beast but worth its weight in winter slop.
  • + 1
 I was on board with Finish Lines product until I saw $39.99 for 1 liter. I love the idea of a non-toxic product but I’d be curious if it really requires the $12 bump above the $28 bottle of Stans.
  • + 12
 If you can keep it much longer as it won't dry ... yes, it's worth the extra 12$
  • + 3
 I dont see the point of a sealant if it doesnt dry and fill big holes, do you just pray that your puncture is small enough that those little grains will eventually plug it up?
  • + 0
 @vl95: True. I tend to swap out tires fairly often and I’m not a fan of re-using old sealant. Maybe that’s my problem lol I like to put fresh sealant in a new tire.
  • - 3
 tubeless sealant has never saved me on a trail. it helps get the tire set up and stay set up but i have never had a puncture actually seal thanks to sealant.
  • + 1
 @adrennan: I’ve had Stan’s seal a hole caused by running over an old barbed wire fence that was laying across a trail. It held the seal for several months until I replaced the tire.
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 @adrennan: sealant has saved my ass when I’ve ran over goatheads (little spikey seeds) that tend to destroy tubes
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 @Levelheadsteve: I tend to rip sidewalls, sealant never helps me with that.
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 @Gregorysmithj1: Would they not seal then? Peatys is also supposed to not dry out but I doubt he's going to link his name to something that doesn't seal the holes. I currently don't run tubeless but I'm planning to in a couple of weeks. But I was indeed planning to use Peatys so that I wouldn't have to worry about the stuff gunking up my valve or just clogging up to cause an unbalanced wheel. This would be an interesting alternative as Finish Line is usually easier to get hold of.
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 @joalst: ok i can accept goatheads. they can be pretty obnoxious but are mostly an issue around town and not so much on the trails.
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 @adrennan: I guess it depends on the type of punctures you get. In Arizona, I've had tens of punctures from cactus and goatheads sealed up in just one tire. Also, if it's working you might not even know it sealed a puncture.
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 It doen't dry out. It fills big holes. I just wish it came in a carton instead of plastic pot.
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 @Ryanfitz81: I'm all for people looking for flaws in a product, but that sure as hell isn't one I'd thought of.
@vinay: Pretty sure you don't have to worry about imbalances. When it dries, the vast majority will be stuck to the tyre evenly all the way around (talking Stan's here) and the rest will crystallize into a little 3D fractal of latex that bounces around happily inside your tyre. In any case, tubeless is approximately 28.99 times better than tubes.
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 @BenPea: Yeah it would be my first time to run tubeless on my bike. That is, I'm actually planning to run the Procore setup. If I'm going tubeless (considering Procore is tubeless in a way) I'd better be able to run proper low pressures without the risk of burping.The standard Procore kit comes with a pretty complex valve and I thought it would be pretty annoying if the thing clogs up. I usually run Schraeder valves which are pretty easy to open up should need be but I don't know how this should work with this more complex type of Presta valve. So I thought it would be better to avoid clogging up altogether Wink . That said, I'm planning to run this on the Syntace W35 wheelset I received today (damn that rear hub is noisy) and they already drilled a second valve hole by default. So if it doesn't work out I can forgo their Procore specific tube and just install a narrow tube (Syntace listed a number of compatible tubes that should work) instead and with a standard tubeless valve to inflate the tire.

Actually I already have a bottle of Stans here because I was planning to build a new wheel with wider rims for my current bike but postponed it because I expected to get a new frame which would take other hubs anyway. But the Stans stuff is already here so if clogging up the valve isn't such a big concern I can try this stuff first.
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 @vinay: i use custom valves (gouged out of an old tube and finely sculpted thereafter to seal like the best of them). Never clogged because you always hold the wheel valve-up when you're mucking around fixing it all up.
What you describe is something I would maybe try once for kicks and never want to have to do again. Some things are like that.
I wouldn't bother with inserts or any of that unless you can't do without, which you don't know yet. Stick in half a cup of rubber milk and nothing else and the feeling of relative weightlessness going uphill is palpable. Even on more rolling stuff. Don't go too low in psi, grip shouldn't be sought to the detriment of speed, if that makes sense.
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 @TucsonDon: Agreed on your last sentence - sometimes I've been cleaning my bike and found latex sprayed on the seat tube or CS yokes etc, and therefore didn't even notice it work as advertised out on the trail.

Never had Stans help a sidewall injury of any sort though.

For clogged valves soak in acetone/nail polish remover.
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 @vinay: I've had latex sealant seal a pink size hole from a ripped of knob, theres no way a sealant that never dries could seal up anything bigger than a push pin size...
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 @adrennan: how would you know?
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 @Gregorysmithj1: I suspect this stuff doesn't seal very well. There are already a handful of automotive and bike sealants that don't dry up. They don't seal anything either. They contain a lot of preservatives. They are inert which means they don't polymerize or cure or have any chemical reaction. They have materials that will clog a small hole,, like I clog my toilet in the morning. A clog is not a strong or permanent seal like latex that polymerizes and vulcanizes. Stans has a lot of preservatives, ammonia as anticoagulant and glycols to slow dry out and they retard the latex from doing it's job. It's a paradox and you can't have it both not dry out and cure on demand.
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 I guess we need to get a sample to test.
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 I found a great sealant. It is called Tubes. Put one in each tire. Weighs about the same as slime, Don't need a compressor to mount. Doesn't go dry. Doesn't freeze in the cold. Pressure can be topped up with a simple hand pump. Great product.
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 @iamamodel: If you hear the air coming out from the sidewall, and you stop right away and lift your bike and turn the tire such that the slice is at the lowest spot and all the Stans pools there, I've had it stop it if it's not too big. I just took it really easy the rest of the way home though.
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 @roaddust: Yay tubes! I'd love to go back to getting 2 flats a month instead of one flat every three years or so. Bonus: You can get pinch flats too!! Wooot! Double bonus: They're heavier, and increase rolling resistance, so you can go slower and have a shittier ride quality to boot!! So awesome!
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 @TucsonDon: Ta. I've tried that but no luck. Usually sidewalls are more of a slice than a hole and it just won't seal properly. Even tried poking a small piece of cotton cloth as per a suggestion by an AZ resident like you and that'll only work sometimes. But as you say immediately above, flats are now a rarity compared to running tubes.
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 @BenPea: Thanks. Yeah I thought Procore was going to extend the envelope a little without worrying about burping or damaging the rims. Seemed like a good investment if it is going to protect my gear. I'm curious about the difference between tubeless and latex tubes as I'm already running something like 1.5 bar (according to the pump, so not too accurate). And latex tubes already are less likely to puncture (as they allow for more strain than butyl). Will be hard to compare anyway as it will be on a completely different frame (hence geometry) anyway. But it should be good, I guess. Anyway, these are the biggest complains I hear from tubeless riders right? Burping air and damaging rims. If such an insert could solve that then I can have my cake and eat it too. Should be good.
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 Checking Blue Cross/Blue Shield now. I think I may be covered for those slip-ons.
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 Is there anyone who'd throw their money on Impact PRos instead of Sam Hills? Anyone tried Freeriders pro? (don't like regular freeriders) Help a troll spend some money here...
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 I would. They're a little lighter, with a less boxy fit, at least for my feet. Same goes for the Freerider Pro - I have a full season on those shoes and they've held up really well.
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 @mikekazimer: how do Freeriders pro deal with wet environment? Impacts VXii are just terrible with that although they dry much quicker than old Impact Lows. Also I've never got my toes hurt so badly as in VXiis, so these pros with some evo mumbo jumbo going on in the front seem good.
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 Bought the Freerider pro after kicking a rock at mach chicken in a pair of regular freeriders and breaking a toe, didn't want the bulk of impacts. I like them. Low profile, bit stiffer sole, grip you'd expect, bit of toe and heel protection and I personally prefer the styling. No issues in a full season of riding.
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 @WAKIdesigns: I picked up some Freerider Pros the other month. Went on a test ride through snow and slush, and water seems to bead off the synthetic outer pretty well. I'll find out more this spring - I might consider giving the toe-box a blast of scotch guard, or maybe wax it a bit to help with moisture repellency.

Fairly low profile, and I'm glad they have a reinforced toe, since I had a few instances of catching my toes on stumps and rocks last season (ouch!). Sole is stiffer than the Sidi Epics I used over the last few years. Fairly light and a nice secure heel cup to boot.

Flat wide laces are closely spaced and a bit of a chore to really tighten, sort of like hockey skates. I have a high instep though.

Random observations. They seem to grip my OneUp pedals pretty well.
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 Nope, Sam hill's all the way, lighter than impacts and mine are still good after 18 months of uk shitball year round piss wet through weather.
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 I’ve had the Freerider Pros for a season and they’ve been bulletproof so far. Most importantly, as it relates to this thread, is they look okay when you’re not on the bike. You wear those Impacts pictured above and people are going to assume you walked away from some sort of care facility and call the authorities on you.
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 @RideGuides: haha mach chiken!!
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 @WAKIdesigns: I've been happy with my freerider pros this past year. I MTB and commute with them all year the pacific northwest. they dry out shockingly fast.
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 I got the Impact Pros over the Freerider Pros, as after trying them both I preferred the feel of the Impacts. they are a tad heavier but I found I didn't notice it on the bike and they handle wet conditions well. I also found they have more grip than the Freerider Pros in my opinion, as well as having a great amount of foot protection. they are a solid pair of shoes imo.
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 I’ve had the free ride pro; low profile, light, casual style, stiff for what they are, grip is good but not Impact good. Wrecked the sole in 3months riding Nukeproof pedals and long pins. The sole rubber is incredibly thin. Maybe it was a ‘Friday afternoon batch’ but the sole did not last well. Came unglued at sides too. Warrantied, got new set.

I hope the new Impact Pro and Sam Hill will have better durability and will not have the same weakness due to the weight saving and other alterations. I have a pair of the Adidas trail shoes with harder 5.10 rubber; much better construction, wider toe( if you need that?) but ~20% less grip.
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 I don't know how you guys wear impacts. They feel bulky like ski boots to me.
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 $160 for bike tennis use is ridiculous. The quality is not there. I bought a few extra pair of impacts (old style)on close out and will use them untill Adidas figures out their shit.
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 Didn't realize "bike tennis" was a thing......... Hahaha
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 @JamesR2026:

Jajajaja I need some new tennis use.
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 Slip ons? Really?
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 Didn't Eliot Jackson do Whip Offs once wearing bedroom slippers? Maybe these could be his pro model.
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 Why not? there's plenty of time's I've ridden my DH bike with regular Vans Slip-ons. I'm sure it's a good skatepark / casual shoe. Wish they didn't look like a pair of Toms though...
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 I personally love them. Don't see myself riding them on any trails, but for a casual beach side cruise while on holiday I wouldn't mind a pair. That being said, I'm not paying for a pair!
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 I wouldnt mind a pair, but not when they look like that and cost $80. They look like something youd find in the bargain bin at H&M for $20. Vans makes real knit shoes just like these that are of obvious better quality and they cost less than these fake knit things.
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 Adidas is really f*ing up the brand.
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 You never know when you're going to need extra grip in the bedroom or toilet.
  • + 1
 To coordinate with your smoking jacket.
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 Holy shit flickers Batman
  • + 2
 Holy mixed measurement systems Batman.
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 Kennebec is an exact copy of the Slaughter...

"Sir, there is an attorney from Specialized bikes on line 2"
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 Thank you Michelin for making new 26” tires!
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 Would love to see the wild Enduro in a 2.5-2-6 range, maybe even a 2.8 ????????.
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 29x2.6... come on Maxxis keep up. I would love a proper 2.6 DHF
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 SO MUCH YES 29x2.6 more please
  • + 1
 We test fit a new set of Rekons in 29x2.6 and was really disappointed in size. Came out to like 2.35-2.4 on a 30mm IW rim.
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 @fatallightning: Tires are always skinny when you first mount them. They need a good ride to strech out.
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 A Maxxis 2.8 probably measures 2.6, they always seem to be narrower than claimed compared to a similar sized competitors tire on the same rim.
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 @woofer2609: they only make 29x3 atm and they don't fit my Pikes.
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 I really hope Michelin has addressed the problem of seating their tubeless tires....
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 They seem interesting and I'm willing to give them a shot. Despite all the "predictions" brands keep releasing their newer tires in 26" too and I'll keep buying them Smile .
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 @vinay: ditto, Those tyres look good ! would like to give them a burl.
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 What problem is this exactly? I've had no issues with the ones I've used, apart from they tend to be a tighter fitting bead than others
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 @slimjim1: my Wild Grip'r tires were an absolute bear to mount on wtb i19 rims. I had to use a tube to get the bead to seat, then break the bead on only one side, remove the tube, add sealant and valve, and it was still a challenge to get the remaining bead seated. Same rim with a Maxxis Ardent took no time.
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 @woofer2609: Those WTB rims, are they 19mm internal width? Sounds like too narrow for a proper tubeless setup.
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 @vinay: Sorry, my bad, I have 4 bikes with different tubeless rims, the i19's are on my commuter bike w/ 25 cross section 700c's. Michelin's are mounted on Nukeproof Generator TRS AM rims, probably 26mm outer, not sure of inner (22?). Other tires mount just fine on these rims, and I've mounted quite a few other TR tires on other rims without issue.
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 I don't get it, just get some vans or etnies skate shoes or whatever in the sale, I've been riding for years in a pair of etnies no problems, don't see the point in crazy expensive bike shoes
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 Well for starters the stiffer sole will prevent your foot from wrapping around your pedal on hard landings and grip is not even comparable. I'm from a time before 5ten were easily available and only some myth on the internet about a limited run few years back existed and let me tell you my world changed the day i finally got my first pair of Impacts. I was a Vans or whatever skateshoe guy before and am certainly not easily convinced by marketing (just ask my friends,I'm a cynic a*shole when it comes to the bike industry XD), but i'll be damned if i ever go back to anything but stealth rubber.
I ride clips now though, lol.
Seriously though,if you haven't tried them, do it. It's one of the single best pieces of equipment to improve your riding experience.
  • + 2
 ..Then we can only assume that soon we will see some Flip-flops!
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 Five ten is now using Porn in their toe BOX. Schweet!
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 There's a lot of new rubber, too. But that has nothing to do with porn...
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 5 TEN slip on was made when ED MASTERS was in mind >>>
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 This post had some very high highs...and some very low lows.
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 Finish line stole Peaty’s Sealant idea!

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