Ghost E-Ndure Electric - Eurobike 2010

Sep 1, 2010
by Mike Levy  
You have to have an open mind for this one... Ghost is showing off their second generation prototype E-Ndure electric mountain bike at Eurobike 2010. No, this is not your average electric town cruiser, but a proper 170 mm travel bike-park capable machine that just happens to have a built in motor. I know that you're curious for more information - inside you'll find both photos and a video explaining the design and purpose of the E-Ndure!

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Far from your standard electric bike! The Ghost E-Ndure is built to do anything and everything that other 170 mm travel bikes are capable of, it just happens to have a built in electric motor and removable battery. I have to admit that the E-Ndure looks fast while sitting still, isn't that always the trait of a great bike? Despite looking fairly dialed, this is actually only the second complete prototype that they have built. Ghost plans on entering production with the E-Ndure at some point in the future. Are you ready for it?
Far from your standard electric bike! The Ghost E-Ndure is built to do anything and everything that other 170 mm travel bikes are capable of, it just happens to have a built in electric motor and removable battery. I have to admit that the E-Ndure looks fast while sitting still, isn't that always the trait of a great bike? Despite looking fairly dialed, this is actually only the second complete prototype that they have built. Ghost plans on entering production with the E-Ndure at some point in the future. Are you ready for it?

This is not an electric bike that you can ride on trails, but rather a full on mountain bike that has an electric motor - if you've seen past attempts at most electric mountain bikes you'll know what I'm getting at. The rear suspension design and components are actually the very same as Ghost uses on their new DH race bike, albeit with a slightly shorter stroke damper. They employ a high main pivot that results in a axle path that has a more rearward element than if they had placed the pivot in a more conventional location. Because it is so high they bolt on a chain idler to keep chain tension and growth in check. Have you spotted the battery yet?
This is not an electric bike that you can ride on trails, but rather a full on mountain bike that has an electric motor - if you've seen past attempts at most electric mountain bikes you'll know what I'm getting at. The rear suspension design and components are actually the very same as Ghost uses on their new DH race bike, albeit with a slightly shorter stroke damper. They employ a high main pivot that results in a axle path that has a more rearward element than if they had placed the pivot in a more conventional location. Because it is so high they bolt on a chain idler to keep chain tension and growth in check. Have you spotted the battery yet?

That's a big 'ol chainring! Because the bike uses an electric motor for an assist, the rider is able to easily push a bigger gear than you'd find on a standard bike. Get ready to set some new personal land speed records. Just as you'll find on their standard bikes, all of the E-Ndure's pivots rotate on sealed bearings. Both upper and lower shock mounts use needle bearings to keep everything running as smooth and as active as possible.
That's a big 'ol chainring! Because the bike uses an electric motor for an assist, the rider is able to easily push a bigger gear than you'd find on a standard bike. Get ready to set some new personal land speed records. Just as you'll find on their standard bikes, all of the E-Ndure's pivots rotate on sealed bearings. Both upper and lower shock mounts use needle bearings to keep everything running as smooth and as active as possible.

The E-Ndure uses an electric motor that is hidden within the above crank housing. The bike does not go forward under it's own power as a motorbike would, but instead uses the electric motor for an assist. When you put the power down, it puts the power down. Stop pedaling and the motor stops working. Due to German legislation the motor will only help you out until you hit 25 kph, after that you're on your own if you want to go faster. Even though Ghost has specd a motor that is capable of easily dealing with 800 watts, the E-Ndure gets up to speed using only 250 - 300. This makes for a very reliable system. Yes, those are cooling fins. The cooler the motor runs, the more efficient and reliable it will perform. You can just spot the battery that is held in place within the downtube and nearly out of sight. From the side the E-Ndure looks pretty much like a regular bike, which was one of the goals when designing it.
The E-Ndure uses an electric motor that is hidden within the above crank housing. The bike does not go forward under it's own power as a motorbike would, but instead uses the electric motor for an assist. When you put the power down, it puts the power down. Stop pedaling and the motor stops working. Due to German legislation the motor will only help you out until you hit 25 kph, after that you're on your own if you want to go faster. Even though Ghost has specd a motor that is capable of easily dealing with 800 watts, the E-Ndure gets up to speed using only 250 - 300. This makes for a very reliable system. Yes, those are cooling fins. The cooler the motor runs, the more efficient and reliable it will perform. You can just spot the battery that is held in place within the downtube and nearly out of sight. From the side the E-Ndure looks pretty much like a regular bike, which was one of the goals when designing it.

Welcome to the cockpit! The small black box on the left lets you control the power output of the electric motor. There are three levels of juice to select from, but keep in mind that the more power you want to use, the shorter your battery life will be. The bigger box on the right with the screen tells you all your important stats, including battery remaining, as well as all of the usual bicycle computer functions. If you're battery expires while out on the trail, the E-Ndure can be ridden just like a regular bike, albeit slightly heavier than the average mountain bike. Total weight comes in at around 26 kg, including the battery. That sounds like a lot, and it is, but the extra weight is placed as low as possible on the frame.
Welcome to the cockpit! The small black box on the left lets you control the power output of the electric motor. There are three levels of juice to select from, but keep in mind that the more power you want to use, the shorter your battery life will be. The bigger box on the right with the screen tells you all your important stats, including battery remaining, as well as all of the usual bicycle computer functions. If you're battery expires while out on the trail, the E-Ndure can be ridden just like a regular bike, albeit slightly heavier than the average mountain bike. Total weight comes in at around 26 kg, including the battery. That sounds like a lot, and it is, but the extra weight is placed as low as possible on the frame.

The E-Ndure has all of the bells and whistles that most all-mountain and freeride machines come with, including a tapered head tube that uses a integrated headset. While the angles aren't set in stone quite yet, this model uses a slack 65 degree head tube angle to keep the bike stable at the higher than average speeds that you can expect the electric assisted E-Ndure to be able to hit on many sections of trail that would leave a regular bike in it's dust.
The E-Ndure has all of the bells and whistles that most all-mountain and freeride machines come with, including a tapered head tube that uses a integrated headset. While the angles aren't set in stone quite yet, this model uses a slack 65 degree head tube angle to keep the bike stable at the higher than average speeds that you can expect the electric assisted E-Ndure to be able to hit on many sections of trail that would leave a regular bike in it's dust.

Out back you'll find a Syntace X12 compatible 12 x 142 mm thru-axle system to keep everything stiff and inline. Like I've said above many times, this is not your standard electric cruiser, but a machine that is designed to take all the abuse that you can throw at it.
Out back you'll find a Syntace X12 compatible 12 x 142 mm thru-axle system to keep everything stiff and inline. Like I've said above many times, this is not your standard electric cruiser, but a machine that is designed to take all the abuse that you can throw at it.

Jordan out from behind the lens and having a go on the E-Ndure. No, a quick spin in a grassy field is by no means a test, but after some circles on the bike we could both see the potential for good times out on the trails. The important thing to keep in mind about the E-Ndure is that it is built to be a truly capable bike. Take it out to your local bike park and send it off whatever booters and drops that you'd usually hit, or ride it fast down the hardest DH tracks that you can find - it is designed to handle it. Where the bike's true powers will shine are locations that don't let you take an uplift to the top of the trail. I'm of the opinion that one should certainly earn their turns quite often, but acknowledge that a lot of riders are strictly shuttle rats when it comes to shredding, this could be their ticket to fun without having to load up a truck or head off to the local ski resort. Keep in mind that you do still have to pedal the E-Ndure, the electric motor works as only an assist, so don't expect to be scooting up the steepest of hills with zero effort. Are electric assist mountain bikes the future? While I'm not going to go that far, I can definitely see them being an option soon, especially if they are going to look as dialed as the E-Ndure.
Jordan out from behind the lens and having a go on the E-Ndure. No, a quick spin in a grassy field is by no means a test, but after some circles on the bike we could both see the potential for good times out on the trails. The important thing to keep in mind about the E-Ndure is that it is built to be a truly capable bike. Take it out to your local bike park and send it off whatever booters and drops that you'd usually hit, or ride it fast down the hardest DH tracks that you can find - it is designed to handle it. Where the bike's true powers will shine are locations that don't let you take an uplift to the top of the trail. I'm of the opinion that one should certainly earn their turns quite often, but acknowledge that a lot of riders are strictly shuttle rats when it comes to shredding, this could be their ticket to fun without having to load up a truck or head off to the local ski resort. Keep in mind that you do still have to pedal the E-Ndure, the electric motor works as only an assist, so don't expect to be scooting up the steepest of hills with zero effort. Are electric assist mountain bikes the future? While I'm not going to go that far, I can definitely see them being an option soon, especially if they are going to look as dialed as the E-Ndure.


What do you think of Ghost's prototype electric mountain bike? It may not be your cup of tea if you live at or near a resort, or if you are a XC/AM rider, but does it make sense for some other riders? Put your thoughts down below!


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178 Comments

  • + 10
 this is ridiculous. Sorry , but it is.
when did pedaling in mountain biking bacame a pain in the butt ?...

find a way to the trail heads , shuttle , lift , epic muscleling climbs , what ever.
just please , please , ....leave motor out of biking.
this is not communting , this is not even transportation ,...
this is a sport , i demands comitement , blood , sweat and tears , if you give that to the sport , it will pay it back 100 times in 100 different ways.
if you put a motor in , you loose.

anyone who finds this a good idea should stick to PS3s , Xbox and laziness.
  • + 2
 amen to that.
  • + 12
 or you could ride a dirt bike? neg props await me, but thats the whole point.
  • + 4
 A dirt bike is full assist, this is still providing you with the leg work out that a regular mountain bike would provide. Your comparing apples to oranges... Think about the harmful sides of dirt biking as well, not only on our environment through exhaust and burnt oil, but the potential hard to your ears and so forth as well. Different kind of thing.
  • - 2
 See!that what im trying to say... Atrak, youre not alone here.
  • + 0
 overal, a really good idea, has its ideal market target well thought out, but the idea of a mountain assist seems to be self defeating in terms of fitness..?
  • + 1
 dirtbikes are the shit
  • + 0
 And all that environmental harm is bullshit, although they r working on electric dirtbikes
  • + 5
 welcome to the world of motor-biking ok so it is going to cost like 2500 for just the frame -1 very heavy compared to normal bikes -1 old people will be whelieing to the shops at 50 mph -1 batery get wet or break down...i dont want to have to ride a heavy bike 5 mile up a hill to get home -1 but still its a clever idea....prahaps they would sell well in america
  • + 1
 Servicing/motor repairs -1... not really for home mechanics or local bike shop!
  • + 8
 It aint mountain biking if it has a motor
  • + 4
 I don't agree with this idea, the ghost is going to cost thousands of dollars to produce, by choice I would buy a motocross bike to go above 25k/hr and a free ride bike to reach speeds of 25k/hr and over.
  • + 3
 Wow, look at all the closed minds in an uproar over a simple product. I think it's a great idea. If you don't like it, don't ride it. Also, if you're into XC then keep riding XC and staying super skinny and going 5 mph on your 10 lbs. bikes. For those of us that enjoy excitement this bike could be amazing. I love DH and FR because the bikes are so much lighter than a dirt bike (compare 40 lbs. to 230 lbs.) so it makes for awesome descents that you are able to control. On the dirt bike the weight means that you're not able to do much in terms of descent, but rather you enjoy the climb up as well as everything else that a gas engine allows you to do.

This bike is attempting to take the amazing lightweight feel of a FR MTB and give it some power so that you're able to accomplish a number of things more effectively (effectiveness being the key priority here). Climbing (normally sucks on anything beside a AM or XC bike) and flats are obviously greatly effected, but everything else about the ride is effected as well. You are able to gain speed quicker and easier (which is a big deal on a 45 lbs. bike)so less of an elevation change is required, and your ability to gain speed before features is going to be far better as well.

For those of you trying to "protect the integrity of mountain biking!!!!", go ride something else, no one cares except for you. For those of us looking for an adrenaline rush no matter if it's on something powered by an engine, gravity, legs, or an electric motor, we'll continue to have fun on whatever two wheeled contraption we happen to be on that day and absolutely loving it! Who would you rather be?

Can you imagine if people would have tried to protect the integrity of the horse and carriage? We wouldn't have cars for hell's sake. Some people really need to lighten up, open their minds, and actually view the world through unbiased eyes rather than someone on the war path at all times.
  • - 3
 arch-magus...your the one who sounds like your in an uproar w/ your 4 paragraph rant; and your illustrations of all the goods we wouldn't have like the car, gas engines etc [ and all the byproducts of it: pollution, BP oil spill bah blah etc ] are typical of someone who wants his 'adrenaline rush' no matter the cost to this planet - and yes, this sport - meantime hope you enjoy your putt putt bike and gas sucking polluting Hummer or whatever - think i'll go ride my horse after i shred some DH trails under my own power before some scooter disguised as a DH bike ruins the trails...as for my 'closed mind' your right, about this dorky ride, but that's so i can keep it WAY OPEN for changes that don't destroy the sport or the planet...
  • + 2
 Hate to burst your bubble, but exhaust doesn't hurt the planet at all. There's no scientific correlation between the "hole" in the o-zone layer (which just happens to be replenishing itself) and exhaust. There are tons of other problems with our social dependency on fossil fuels (mainly economic monopolizing) and we should work to move past them, but that doesn't mean we need to ride horses or shun electricity.

It's hilarious to me that you speak of not hurting the planet, yet don't even know what actually hurts the planet, then on top of that you bag on the electric motor, yet electricity powers the computer you're typing from. How can one person be so incredibly self contradictory? You seriously need to educate yourself.

Also, your lack of grammar makes you appear unintelligent, as if your post hasn't already accomplished that. It still boggles my mind that you actually think that electricity is "bad for the planet". Oh and global warming is a myth, perpetuated by people hoping to make a dollar off of those ignorant enough to buy into that myth.
  • + 0
 jcinkits 1 question.Do you ride to the top when you downhill or do you shuttle?And dont tell me you ride a horse.lolThe car you drive to get to you favorite spots pallutes far more then and dirtbike or electric bike.Plus most of our electricity comes from water.Its called hydro for a reason.
  • + 1
 archi-magus & ddd...i can't deny your points on cars polluting etc; i guess we all just do what we can and i choose not to [whenever possible] buy into things that do. a-m, as far as me being self-contradictory, i suppose i am, to whatever extent my lifestyle [computers etc] takes me - BUT i do what i can and it is [to me] unfortunate that the you are denying IRREFUTABLE evidence everywhere of global warming due IN PART to hydro power, fossil fuels etc; [the myriad of scientific and logical obvious confronts us every day] i worked 17 years for Industry Canada as a research technician and gave lectures based on lab evidence of the harm caused by EMFs [electro magnetic field] from hydro, & cellular use [and yes Einstein, i know electricity is a result of the technological use of water ] as for my grammar, sorry i am not intellectually your equal, but my concept of 'intelligence is not based on grammar, it is based on a deeper understanding of life, and compassion for everything and everyone regardless of the 3 Rs. so...i would like to keep my sarcasm to a minimum and just say: enjoy your life and ride while you can...i have nothing to prove and will agree to disagree [about most of your wisdom about hydro etc ] but in the 'end' we have much in common and that is: riding. and thank you for reminding me 'you can lead a horse to water but........' i will cease reacting to the rants on PB and focus on my own shortcomings - but just some thoughts for you to mull: all destructive events [ BP oil etc ] on earth, especially those that involve ecology can pretty much be traced to corporate greed and our own [excessive] consumerism of 'things we do not need. in the meantime, happy trails to you both.
  • + 4
 i watched the whole vid to see if they even show any riding of the bike really anoys me hows they talk for so long and neva even show any riding ha :/ neg props me if u like but its truth
  • + 3
 All of you saying that this bike is ruining mountain biking because it has a motor all of you are wrong. What you cant see is the developers of this bike didnt think that rich bastards would buy this bike because you dont have to pedal..... this bike would be better of for a person who has a LEG DISABILITY or Spinal problem, that wouldnt enable the person to use a real bike. All im saying is think about other people besides your own selves because there are other people out there that dont have the strength to use a REAL bike.
  • + 6
 Okay thanks, but we dont need this bullshit...I`d get a moto if this is the future of mtb.
  • + 3
 Like Jordan said, a dirt bike is an entirely different thing. Even though I personally wouldn't want one, this is still mountain biking in my books.
  • + 2
 As well, this isn't the future of mountain biking by any means. Mountain bike is a fairly general statement, the mountain bike covers many different aspects from cross country, to XC, AM, and Downhill. This bike is not meant to replace any of those, simply to expand on what we call a mountain bike.
  • + 3
 Yeah i understand that this is a proto, but its protos like this thats going to influence the future of the sport and by that i mean the wrong direction.It should only be about lightweightness and carbon everything on these bikes. and im pretty sure the bmx and moto people are gonna laugh at us when they find that these things cost like 2500 to 4000 for frame only and i could almost imagine em instantly asking us "why dont you get a scooter or a mini moto bike?"
  • + 2
 Sorry guys, i shouldnt have said that bad word up there to get my point across. I apologize.
  • + 11
 I have never seen a swear word before... I'm going to go cry into my pillow for a few hours. Thanks a lot Kurt.
  • + 1
 I have been riding a proto KTM Electric MTB in Austria during their press camp, and I absolutly disliked it. For city bikes it's ok for me, but this is one step to much in my book.

It could be a new market for an other target group and that's all fine, but I think it's to heavy, bulky, fragile, out of touch for it to be called a Mountain Bike. It should be called a Electrical Assist Mountain Vehicle, EAMV or what ever.

But it's a good way of making other people buy bikes and for making more money on a bike... what's next?
  • + 2
 its a cycle, with a motor, hence a MOTOR CYCLE! electric or combustion its still a motor!!
it might be the future of MOTOR CYCLING but definatly not the future of DH or MTB

some body mentioned earlier, it could be good for riders with dissabilitys an I agree

if you wanna get up hills quicker then get an AM bike

would be funny to see someone show up to race on one of these Smile
  • + 1
 If somebody shows up in a race with these, wouldnt it be immediate disquali?it would be same thing as having enhancement drugs.
  • + 1
 No shit they would.
  • + 1
 @katinasd You did not ride the KTM e-bike electric motorcycle did you?
  • + 1
 @skadamo I wish Smile
  • + 2
 As a trail builder 1 of the hardest things about building a downhill freeride trail is being able to make the trail constantly drop.Alot of times you end up getting long flat sections or even some up hills.There are alot of really nice natural terrain that cant be used because your trail needs to constantly drop.Plus Downhill trails end up being shorter then they could be thus shorter rides.With this bike you could make the trails themselves far more interesting and longer and still have the benefits of having a full downhill rig.Agian opening up the sport to a whole new direction.
  • + 0
 trail builder?! maybe, but your idea is not one that will be ever shared by anyone who actually rides for real - how about you build some trails for this 'thing' in Siberia...
  • + 1
 I agree dirtdavediddler.
  • + 1
 Ive probably built more trail then you have riden.I give back to my sport not act like its an elitist club.These bikes are more then welcome to ride on my trails and if they get good enough ill buy 1.And when im out having a blast on it ill be thinking of you.So go pedal up a hill so you can go to bed that night knowing how pure you are.By the time you get to the top ill have done about 4 more rips down having fun.
  • + 1
 your a saint ddd...as for building more trails than i've ridden, maybe, but i doubt it...i started riding Mt. Trails 25 years ago and at 67 years old i am still shredding; i don't want or need a contraption that pollutes, destroys trails, and is really suited for 67 year olds who have given up and need this 'motorized walker'- as for all those extra rips you can do, knock yer self out, i'm in no hurry, except when i go down. happy trails brother.
  • + 1
 Well I dont see how this thing pollutes and ive seen the damage that downhillbikes already do and dont think this thing will do any worse.I must say good on you 4 still rippen at 67 years young and hope I can do the same.Do you remember when mountianbikers use to say us downhillers were lazy and got no exercise?We both know how much effort it does take to ride down a tech hill fast.The same can be said about dirtbiking.I have raced many ebduro and cross country races and i can tell you its a workout.Infact even thow ive dirtbiked 4 20 years and mounianbiked for 7 I still find I use more muscles and get tired faster on a dirtbike.Throwing around a 250lb dirtbike on a trail that is just as tight and gnar as those north shore trail you guys ride is tough.The e bike isnt about being lazy its about being able to ride a downhill type of bike on trail that were only fun if you had a crosscountrybik
  • + 2
 I would think that when other user groups see a bike like this on the trail there would be back lash and some trails would be in jeopardy of closure to bikes. Even though it was built to be legal on trials where moto's are not, doesn't mean hikers won't rally together to keep bikes off certain trails when they see some guy motoring up hill. Where I live there's a lot of multi use conflict, I know this bike would cause trouble in certain areas, and the last thing the mtb community needs is more trail politics. Pedal your bike, shuttle your bike, but don't put a motor on the thing.
  • + 2
 I think this thing is awsome.All you purests out there who think our sport has to have a definition are being dumb asses.Its like the skiers in the old days saying snowboarding is dumb ,now there are far more boarders then skiers.I think of all the trails us downhillers dont ride because they have a few uphills or long flat spots on them.Our bikes are already over 40lbs and dont pedal well.This bike also opens up areas to ride for guys who enjoy dirtbiking but cant ride in spots that are closed to motorised vehicles.As far as the weight well weight can be taken off with refinement of the product thru testing.I would buy one and would giggling as I ripped past all the other purests as they struggle up the hill.
  • + 1
 hey ddd...to each their own, and if you think those who disagree w/ u are all dumb asses maybe you and all those who feel the same can buy up all these invalid dork bikes and build your own trails and leave all us dumb asses to ride for real...
  • + 1
 Well you dumb asses can do all the real riding you want.I wont stop you but to put something down because its not your thing isnt the most intelligent thing ive heard.Sounds like 1 of those hikers attitudes that say all mountianbikes shouldnt be on trails cause they do damage.I guess what ever sport you decide to do belongs and all others are stupid.Im not 1 of them.I dirtbike,quad and mountianbike.I also build trail 4 all 3 sports.Guys like you ride trails that guys like me build.
  • + 2
 As a life-long cyclist, I absolutely HATE electric or petrol assisted "bicycles"

a bicycle is a HUMAN-POWERED VEHICLE (HPV), the relationship between the human and the bicycle (vehicle) is fundamentally based around the fact that the human rider is powering the bicycle

the bicycle is mechanically the most efficient form of transport that is available, in terms of efficiency of movement for a specific energy input

once you lose this fact, and supplement this effort with an assisted motor, its not the same thing

in an interview with the boss of Shimano in Japan last year (in MBUK magazine) they asked the boss if Shimano had plans to enter the electric market and he specifically stated they did not see electric motors having any place on a bicycle - its a human powered vehicle

sorry, but a big fail...

the only function I can see for electrically assisted bicycles is for disabled riders, or unfit riders with medical problems, but even in this situation they are more suited to an electric vehicle like a buggy than bolting a motor onto a bicycle chassis?
  • + 1
 even so, electric bicycles should never be allowed in lift serviced bike parks ever. disabled, not disabled, marketing scam, new age hippies, it don't matter, just say no to electric in bike parks!!
  • + 2
 allot of the more gnarly natural stuf that enduro bikes r cool on requiers a bit of carrying to get up due to terain the reason you do this stuf on an enduro bike is cos it is lighter than a DH bike normaly , this bike is to heavy to carry up rocky steep stuf that you cant ride or push up so would be wors than a normal bigg AM bike or enduro bike for doing some of the moast fun stuf to do on an enduro DH / longtravel AM bike , yet this is the clas of bike it is ...
  • + 3
 im sorry but who in their right mind would ride this in a bike park this is a beefed up electric cruiser. anyone who would actually buy this would be the laughing stock of the bike park
  • + 2
 It just doesn't make sense. It will be more expensive and perform less well on the DH, which is what we are all there for. Maybe those europeans are just jealous that Aussies and Americans hold the world records for most obese people. Maybe they'll make e-bikes for the olympics next Smile Nice suspension design though.
  • + 1
 Not bad...but its still the same old problem with electric vehicles...the range sucks...hence I build one that that doesn't have that problem...and I don't use the motor when riding on MTB tracks, just to get me to the start of it and then ride 'downhill'/singletracks etc. and then turn the motor on again to get me home....BUT I don't (need to)use a car (BIG-motor assisted mountain biking!) to get to the track either (like most people)...or to go shopping/to work etc...and I am having more fun then ever...and now the side of the road also becomes my playground...and I get as much 'exercise' as I want to put energy into pedaling/assisting the motor, the only difference is I get there faster (faster=more fun!)...BTW who makes the rules for what is acceptable as fun with 2 wheels for me anyway? I DO! haha...as long as you don't use the motor when you are on a proper MTB track (illegal)... and if anybody knows what they are talking about its me because I have done over 12.000 miles (10.000miles on Mk1 and 2500miles on Mk2)in two and a half years on that sort of vehicle and funnily most of my MTB mates(Hardcore MTB'ers)love it...Anyway, have a look if you want on bikemoto.wordpress.com , Have fun, Al
  • + 1
 A thing is. The most problematic technicaly part of the system is the weight and size of the battery. This is the thnig that also makes the thing look so stupid at the first glimpse. However a rumour goes around some european RC-model people that German military developed a battery of pretty much big capacity comparing to anything known to pop-culture. It will take some years until it leaks out, but when it will then maybe we will see some slim lightweight bikes with el engines Wink
  • + 1
 Smile makes me curious.
  • + 1
 My father is into this RC thing and he knows many ppl from Germany as the RC models is pretty big thing over there. He knows a guy that makes excellent super precise chargers. One day a guy from military phones him saying that they have some wee batteries that they can't get charged properly. So if he could come over with his stuff to run some tests to find the problem and hopefuly make some proper charger for them without asking too much questions it would be great. Guy tries to discharge them and the thing goes really really long, but there are some problems with charging, he knows that it ain't charged to the full but still it's way over whatever he has seen. I need to get the full technical specification he says - NO! We'll buy some chargers from you and try on our own then - good bye!
  • + 1
 Whaha that's crazy! It's about time for a new technology.
  • + 1
 looks like another way to have a lot of fun to me.. just cause it's got a motor doesn't mean you sit on it an eat doughnuts instead of riding hard... it just means you go faster and further for the same effort... i can see this concept developing to become lighter and more powerful.. then i just imagine the fun of getting on the gas (i.e. the pedals) out of corners and throwing a little extra roost..
  • + 1
 I'm betting most people saying how it's a crime against mtb would change their mind if they actually got a chance to ride this. I'll admit I'm sceptical too but the kneejerk 'omg motocross!!!' comments are both predicitable and unhelpful. Even if it proves impractical I'm sure they've learned an awful lot about frame and transmission design from this. That knowledge may filter down and end up in all our bikes in the future.
  • + 1
 yeah, who knows, another wave of internal transmissions with honda and gt. i do think its a bit whack though, and probably pretty heavy? what happens when you smash that bb down on a rock cause the air shock blows or bottoms out... but to bring that puppy out on a wide track, ha a super d, or thru the streets would be real fun.
  • + 2
 I can already see the future...

Me: "Well sonny back in the day we had bikes that you had to peddle uphill. None of those fancy electric motors that did all the work for you."

The Grandchildren: "Whats a peddle?"
  • + 1
 I really don't like the idea of putting a motor on a mountain bike. Part of the reason I do downhill and freeride is because I get a rush from doing it and I also get some exercise. But with this motorized bike you just get the "rush" part of it. I will always stick with a pedal bike and hike my bike up the mountain to ride a trail.
  • + 1
 Hah hah, good point Wickrider, what lift-operator is going to want to help you lift it onto the chair! They would need back-braces if everyone showed up with these! Big Grin

I would love to try this as a novelty but I don't like the idea of yet another battery being created, used and then having to be recycled/throw-out for an activity that is primarily an enthusiast sport.

Although, if this system gets even 0.1% of the obese people in North America AWAY from their mega-flat-screen TV's and stupid game consoles I'm all over it, since the cost of medicare for them probably far outweighs the cost of the manufacturing of the bikes and recycling of the batteries.

www.cdc.gov/obesity/data/index.html

Also, what impact do bikes of this weight have on trails AND what's it like sending off an 8' drop, how does it handle in the air, etc, etc...
  • + 1
 Having had a 3 and a half year period in my life where I was having to fix electric bikes at least 1 a week, I'm personally very much against the idea. I'd love to be proved wrong, but electric bikes I've had the misfortune to come across have been heavy, unreliable and absolutely impossible to find spares for. On the off chance you could find spares, it wouldn't be parts of the motor, or parts of the throttle assembly or whatever, it would be the entire unit.
That would definitely have to change to consider a bike like this.

All that said, I can see the potential for fun with this bike, but I don't see the need. Final thoughts being..."lets see if we can make a not so crap electric bike... is anyone gonna buy it? who cares, we just wanna see if it's possible"
  • + 1
 Contrary to my prior impressions on electric bikes this assisted system is actually quite nice. The fact it is assisting and not supporting means your still getting the exercise that riding a bike would usually provide, however come the end of the day you may be able to do one more extra lap up and down, compared to packing it in early due to dead legs. Super unique system, stoked to see the outcome of this bike in the future!
  • + 4
 Would you rather spend the day on that or a similar bike, sx trail, scott voltage, scratch etc?
once the noveltys worn off of course!
  • + 0
 I think it would be great for a long day of allmountin rideing, bt suck as a bike for dh. i lov the idea of pedal assist tho, means you can ride the trails that useualy need a lot of pedal power to flow with a bit less effort and therefore last longer. promising id say,
  • + 0
 youve never rode one though, im hoping spoiled goods replys, i just cant see it being as good as a standard am/fr bike to to the weight, less manouvebility and i doubt it is as natural feeling
  • + 0
 dude 55lbs. Seriously... it's not that heavy. People just need to stop being pansies and lift weights. Being they said it's not a dh race bike (they already have one...) why would weight matter in any way what so ever? Especially with pedal assist.

Heavier bikes are more stable in the air, and more stable at speed. So the people saying weight would make it worse... think again. Weight makes a bike ride good.... but not fast. IE why racers crunch grams to shave seconds. Freeriding isn't like that so who cares if a bike is 10 lbs heavier. 10lbs is nothing.
  • + 0
 Has anyone thought about how hard it would be able to maintain something like that. I know your average bike guy or girl would be able to maintain or fix the darn thing. This isnt like messing with a derailor its a electric motor
  • + 1
 as long as i dont see these in a race,im sure they will have a purpose for some people...who knows maybe theres that one dude who rides a dh trail to the grocery store and instead of walking or granny gearing back up the hill,hes got this!
  • + 1
 Ummm electronic motors are generally 0 maintainance IH4LIFE. In other words... the motor will probably need servicing well after the frame has failed.
  • + 1
 what if one does go wrong i know you can still pedal but no matter what something always fails it might not be your bike or my bike but theres always someone else
  • + 1
 anyone convincing themselves that this is a "bicycle" needs a reality check - I am sorry if this is offensive, I do not mean it that way, but just to say a bicycle is powered by your legs, your heart, your lungs - you the bicycle rider

If I need to get to the top of the mountain so I can enjoy the sweet DH track, I will pedal up there...its my mission to earn the descent by enduring the pains of the climbing, and it makes me a fitter, stronger, tougher rider as I have the higher fitness level from climbing and then descending

a fit bike rider is a great physical example of the human condition - an "athlete" for sure!!

when you bypass this physical function by introducing an electric motor, the game is done...lost...over...it sucks! what happens when the battery runs out of power? you are left with a heavy / dead bicycle

how much CO2 is generated to charge the electric battery? how long does this battery last...
  • + 1
 I forsee one potential problem, trails that don't allow motorized vehicles. It is true, this vehicle does have a motor! I remember a "mountain bike" with a small motor in it and about 3" tires, it was a full on motor and not just an assist, the problem was it wasn't dirt bike enough for dirt bike trails and it wasn't a motor free vehicle, meaning it wasn't allowed on most MTB trails.

That being said, I love it!

What imapct does the extra weight and speed have on our hand built trails?
  • + 1
 GoAnDRiDe-
"...who knows maybe theres that one dude who rides a dh trail to the grocery store and instead of walking or granny gearing back up the hill,hes got this!"

As i was just thinking how sick this would be to have when you gotta go pick up a sixer or 12... maybe pass a trailhead on the way there or back... dual duty son.
  • + 1
 unbelievable that 'you' at pinkbike deleted my comment since my views on this unbelievably retarded 'invention' were not anywhere near as profane as some...maybe whoever deleted it should join the facist government we [ i didn't] elected...meantime i'll just say, this 'bike' was conceived by someone with way too much time on their hands and should spend it looking for their brains.
  • + 1
 Just not into it... and i think id be pretty postal if some d-bag came up behind me while I was trail riding, tooting his little moped horn. beepbeep, really! and doesnt this just kinda fly in the face of what 'biking' is??? and isnt there rules about motorized vehicles NOT being allowed on biking trails... Jeezz this thing is making me more angry by the moment.
  • + 1
 In my opinion, there is no point in having a motor on a freeride/dh bike. Your going fast enough as it is from gravity. It's not difficult to get up to high speeds on a normal dh bike. With the motor you may just end up going too fast and over shooting everything. I could see where a small electric motor in an all-mountain bike could be nice, but just for long climbs. Don't need one for when its downhill or even flat.
  • + 1
 all talk and no show ,if you want to sell this bike you should do more than yap about it ,show it climbing a steep or ripping up a trail ,very poor vid
  • + 1
 "With the motor you may just end up going too fast and over shooting everything." -- stratmastertj

LOL, yeah because a motor or engine automatically takes away your ability to judge speed and gauge distance. Wow, I don't know how dirt bikers are able to jump the largest gaps of any land vehicle in the world by such a huge margin...
  • + 1
 nope dont like it, AM bikes to me are all about actually pedalling the entire time and getting a workout/exercise, when you put in a motor its bringing to much dependancy of technology to the table. Just pedal your damn bike up the hill.
  • + 1
 What I don't get is what's the problem with having a DH commuter bike? I love riding my DH bike around the city, and if I could do it at 25 kph (or hack the controls for more speed which I'm sure is no problem) I would be in heaven. I would love to cruise around town at 30-40 kph with this as a super comfortable commuter that I can jump/huck when the opportunity arises.

Also open your mind a bit to this idea-this doesn't mean you don't pedal, it just means that you can do more runs or more miles with the same effort. It's about will power, but there's nothing stopping you from putting out 100 W of power throughout your ride (adding it to the 400 W from the drive), but now you will cover 25 km of trails in one hour instead of 10 km, and you'll get the same workout. How is that bad?

E
  • + 4
 I dont like the idea , bikes do not have engines ,its what makes them differ from other machines and powersports
  • + 2
 I don't understand how they can say you won't notice the weight of a 60lb bike!? I'd like to see how it handles of drops - I'd be scared I couldn't get the front end up! Props to anybody that could whip one of those!
  • + 1
 Well I wouldn't buy it, but I have nothing against technical development. Good that someone's doing this too, it's not going to take away from the markets of normal MTB's, and perhaps we'll see some sweet stuff in some years originated from this. Who knows... maybe Ghost knows?
  • + 2
 okay so you've got up the the top of the hill feeling a little fresher, but due to its weight its gonna handle like a fag and tire you out having to lug it about when you can't pedal....
  • + 1
 thought the old dude in the back ground of the video was going to take a wee in the bushes or something then he looked like he was collapsing haha, sounds good to me though but no preview of what it's like on the trail which sucked a bit!
  • + 1
 The thing that grinds my gears is how middle of the road it is. It's electric but the motor is only active when it's pedaled. So I still bust my ass on the way up but can get up quicker but now have X more pounds under me. I say if you are going to make this fella go all the way and make it pull you up the hill with no pedaling. As for the going down DH while it is under power.. does this not strike anyone else as kind of ridiculous? Even if it's only under power when it's being pedaled you are still carrying that much more speed into features. Hills see enough broken backs and necks without adding a bike that pushes your speed beyond the limit of what a unpowered rig allows. And.. I could never respect someone riding this; earn your downs, and if you can't; take up stamp collecting or bird watching.
  • + 2
 I agree with your point about injuries... You're definitely going to get some all the gear no idea person (people) gunning the motor into gaps/drops that they wouldn't even think of doing on a proper bike and they'll just over shoot the landing!

(I don't agree with earning your downs though - a days pushing usually gets me about 1/2 an hour on the bike!)
  • + 1
 typx, I think that 'assist' function would be over-ridden by the first person who knows about electronics so that it will power without pedalling, or just email that kid who unlocked the iPhone.
  • + 2
 Well, it's a nice moped, not a mountain bike. Who can carry 26 kgs. on his back or simply make a wheelie?

A mountain bike is the most capable and versatile off road vehicle. This off-road moped isn't
  • + 1
 25kph is what, 15mph? I cycle to my DH track faster than that on a DH bike.

Someone has to come up with a properly powered downhill type bike. Think something like this or a big hit but with a proper 3Kw brushless motor in it, put some Lithium batteries in it. You'd be getting 65MPH from it easily and it would have a good few hours battery wise. Enough to do a fair bit of tooling about on.
  • + 1
 but then your going over legal legistation an would need bigger brakes, lights , indicators by law!
  • + 1
 It's a trail blasting machine i'm talking about. Just pedal when you're on the road if you're worried about that stuff. Think, the sort of thing you'd use a trail/enduro/motocross/scrambler bike for, except with the manouverability of a Downhill bike. I think it'd be an absolutely great toy to have, I am playing with the idea of doing it to my GT Hardtail using a Lehner 2280 (A brushless motor about the size of a can of coke). With about 30V of Lithium cells it could be pushing out 14bhp.

In short it'd be faster than a normal learner's 125cc motorbike and accelerate like nothing you've felt before. Just having a problem working out the capacity of cells I'd need, the numbers are not looking good!
  • + 1
 Seems like a good idea for ppl who have absolutely no bikeparks and have to climb up before they can ride down. The problem would be that it wouldn't be as weatherproof as real bikes, and also 26kgs??? And I don't wanna spend 5000+$ on a frame that might just be a 26kg pile of poop when I crash ...
  • + 1
 we have no bike parks in th lake district with lifts and moast local trail centers / dh tracks only have ocational up lift on a traktor , but pushin up a hill is part of biking , you can chat to ur m8ts etc allso some of my fravorate biking is big gnarly allmountain natural stuf and an electric motor is gona make this bike wors for this as it will b heavyer to lug up stuf that you cant ride due to terain etc....
  • + 1
 That guy did well explaining all that stuff considering he his english was obviously limited. Looks an interesting concept and it would be great for uplift/push up but personally it still looks all abit of an eye-sore to me.
  • + 1
 and the WORST thing?............
whistler blackcomb allowed one of these hunks of junk to ride the bike park.
because it had pedals, they sold him a ticket.

HUMAN POWERED ONLY!
  • + 1
 maybe next time he does Whistler we'll get lucky and he'll mangle it off some gnarl up in Garbanzo
  • + 3
 yeah im not a fan either electric bikes are fine for old people riding to the shops but this is.. as waste of time and money
  • + 2
 Electric bikes are fine for old people? What makes them "old people" specific? Older people still ride normal mountain bikes...
  • + 2
 i meant 70 year olds riding to the shop.... in that case electric bikes are fine
  • + 0
 65 year old... 3 years before death ,, thats the average here
  • + 2
 yep , this is for retired people that happen to ride park... ok now i'm confused
  • + 1
 First testride

a ref="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lbV6lzBwnVA">testride 1/a>

www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQHOpRC68cE

www.youtube.com/watch?v=lbV6lzBwnVA

www.youtube.com/watch?v=fsGVaCOxSGg
  • + 0
 I don't like this setup... Electric isn't my type.. it's heavier first of all... Drops , jumps would NEVER be the same as a normal DH bike.. Speed would be different because.. in my opinion... the lighter your bike is.. the faster you'll go down the trail... The Electric motor would probably not be able to pull you up a decent climb unless you pedal it... and then again.. i'd rather just walk up the hill with my bike on my back. So to all those who said.. this bike would be for rich buisness men... unfit riders.. disabled riders... I totally agree with you.. but I can't imagine this bike in any DH competition...
  • + 1
 Batteries don't last forever.. after a while.. they die for good... AND if the battery runs out... The extra weight on this bike would be pretty heavy to pedal...
  • + 1
 tbh yeh it looks cool and is a good idea. but who is gonna want one? they will be marketed at like a millionĀ£ and tbh i dont think its worth it... neg prop me or whatever but thats just me!!!
  • + 0
 @ ThaDirtRider09
"the lighter your bike is.. the faster you'll go down the trail..."

Heavier bike has more momentum but you need more energy to accelerate it. This bike isn`t a DH bike, it`s enduro/freeride thing. The idea is good but as that guy said they are still working on it. The solution is much lighter electric engine. I assume that now it weights ~7kg + batteries. Of course they`re not heavy lead batteries or acid ones (from the cars).

BUT it can`t be called a bike because of engine. It`s designed for lazy ass fat hamburger eaters. I ride a bike, who cares that with an engine Wink
  • + 1
 callumm (6 hours ago)

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Takes away one of the true essence of Mountain biking in my opinion.



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  • + 0
 its pointless..it doesnt really give you any excerisze at all? for example, you just went for a long but light ride on the bike path and ur legs are starting to get a bit tired, but there is a hill up ahead.once you get to the top of that hill after already being worn down, it will help with your fitness(when the exersize really comes into play). thats where it really kicks in. instead of being a lazy ass and getting a bit tired, then just giving up with a motor.
  • + 3
 I highly doubt that a several-thousand dollar electric bike will help anyone "get into the sport."
  • + 1
 Imp Killer has an excellent point. Down with Noobs. Up with fun and access for everyone. Plus I would probably smile for a whole day after shredding some loose turns on this thing. I'd give 'er a go.
  • + 1
 We shouldn't really get as upset as we all are: this is no threat to our sport, just like the Segway ended up being no threat to people who liked to walk.
  • + 3
 It would be a really nice bike if they took out that silly motor. Smile
  • + 2
 i'm pretty sure this is what fabian Cancelara rides when he's shredding the gnar stuff.
  • + 1
 Aargh - you beat me to it!
  • + 1
 electric BAH! you'll be going uphill then "out of battery" and you scream at the top of your lungs going backwards weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
  • + 2
 NO! Hike-a-bike will always be the way to go when theres no lift or shuttle!
  • + 2
 TOTALLY POINTLESS idea, let the bike stays a bike and if you are a lazy fu*k or want an engine just get a motorbike.
  • + 1
 Do we know what the weight of it is with out a battery is ? he mentioned it would be removable
  • + 1
 just buy a real mountain bike then?
  • + 1
 What you really want is one of these! www.pinkbike.com/photo/3949634
  • + 1
 Can't people see the awsome riding that can be had for there bikes, open your minds !!!
  • + 1
 No doubt, this concept will find its friends, but the chain going over that upper roll doesn't seem too well engineered...
  • + 0
 that is one hell of a bottom braket. this bike is gonna cost loads to take abroad. plus its gonna be hard gettin usest to that chain sett up
  • + 1
 what does it wiegh? theres definatly something goin on inside that down tube
  • + 3
 26kg = 57.32 pound!!!!!!!! like to see ya "pedal it home if the battery runs out"
  • + 0
 800W motor!
What type of motor BDLC? 3 phase, what kind of controller Block, Stepper, trap, sin.
Does it use regenerative charging et, battery type etc. etc.
  • + 1
 Obviously it's 3 phase square wave DC, and how would you reckon that you could regen when it drives a freewheel?

Regen is over-rated in light EV's with small battery packs. You might be lucky to add 5% to your range depending on riding. Spend the money on 5% more battery.

E
  • + 1
 Shit idea. normal bikes only. Wink
  • + 1
 isent the fun of BIKING gon then if you put a moter on it??
  • + 1
 omg i wanna see it working : D
  • + 1
 X-fusion suspension post? whats the go there? can we get them?
  • + 1
 It is a telescoping post, not suspension.
  • + 1
 aren't they nc-17 freeride pro isis cranks?
  • + 1
 those wires sticking out on the bottom are sketchy, at 4:40
  • + 1
 yeah eh? lol
  • + 1
 Yh...Now my great grand mother doesnt have any excuses to not shred
  • + 1
 That is a pretty cool setup!
  • + 5
 Having seen it in person, it is damn cool and very well made. There certainly could be a place for this type of bike in areas that have gated access roads and riders that aren't looking to suffer on the uphill. I'm sure it could introduce more riders to the sport as well.
  • + 1
 You can have all the fun of downhill, but on flat. AWESOME! And for all the people who will say its too heavy: who cares I'm sure the motor will more than make up for having to pedal the extra weight around.
  • + 4
 Must be pretty bombproof if it's on a park bike. Looks good Smile
  • + 28
 yeah, but, you either have a pedal bike, or a motor bike. sorry but i find this pointless
  • + 24
 like a broken pencil.
  • + 12
 i disagree with everything that bike represents, the only people who will buy it are rich business men who are too overweight to ride. i reckon ill see more of these used as commuters than on any trails.
  • + 31
 Takes away one of the true essence of Mountain biking in my opinion.
  • + 8
 do they really think people will buy this?
  • + 27
 Electric is for old women.
  • + 6
 @callumn/iambike
well in that case Lift-serviced bikeparks also take away the "essence of mtb". And yet there don't seem to be that many overweight ppl at Whistler ...
  • + 9
 how so? the sport it downhill, going as fast down rocky terrain as possible. its demanding enough as it is. this bike however will not be bought by people who are actually into mountain biking, anyone with any knowledge knows that a lighter bike is much better for the riding, i doubt its very easy to jump that thing or controll it in the really rocky stuff
  • + 7
 anyone who buys this is gunna get called out so much. stick to electric commuters.
  • + 6
 nice ,but it wont be for me im old but not that old i can still pedal my way up
  • + 3
 but isnt the essence of mountain biking the endurance, pain and pleasure. so lux has a point we should really have to walk up as its more deserved or else its just taken for granted. i love downhill dont get me wrong but i feel mountain biking is more cross country as its less fast paced and you get to see the sites. but i also feel that 25kph is feeble and you can pedle alot faster than that so why need it unless it does like 50kph
  • + 4
 kind of defeats the purpose of mountain biking if you have an eletric motor helping you out i think only pussies would buy this bike a true mountain biker wouldnt use that electric motor shit
  • + 9
 I suppose it could help people with disabilities, not sure which ones but some.
  • + 0
 @ pope : it stops helping you once you reach 25kph, so you can go faster, but going uphill at 25kph seems pretty damn cool to me(I suck at pedalling and usually climb at 5-7kph Razz But I still wouldn't buy this
  • + 3
 WHY?!??!?!?!?! THATS JUST A FECKIN MOTERCYCLE!!!
  • + 0
 seems cool to have a bike that will power you up a hill, but for taking this on any real downhill, i dont think( least it doesnt look like ) it would have enough juice to get you up a decent climb.
  • + 0
 Lol, it weighs 56 pounds... I hope they don't think there will be a big market for this bike.
  • + 1
 Why are people comparing it to a motorcycle? First of all, it weights a quarter as much, and you can ride dh on it, not moto. And as far as I can tell, you get just as much excersize riding it, you just go way faster while you do it.
  • + 2
 no you clearly dont get as much excersise, its power asisted... you dont go way faster on it either, its only assisted to 25kph then its purely you, + its heavier
its not a mountain bike, its not a motorbike, its just the retarded result of cross breeding
  • + 2
 yesok, granny gear is for old women... not motors. DUHH XD
  • - 1
 i always thought of putting a weedwacker engine in my glory frame so i could accelate down faster and hit higher speeds or maybe go back up, but i think if this is going to be successful it needs to shave some pounds, and have more travel, and keep pushing up to however fast you want to go, i'd like it for when i want to pedal uphill, and if it recharged itself as i pedaled, so maybe charge when i dh and work on the way upSmile in essence though it would be pretty 4uckin useless at whistler and stuff!
  • + 4
 lol the comments on this are hilirous. People find a reason to shoot every single new thing down. Awsome.
  • + 1
 @rfrffr well it's not really making that much sense tho. It's a good idea, but I don't see this working very well at all
  • + 2
 basicly whoever buys this is a retard
  • + 1
 this is stupid. you can just get a shuttle buddy that attaches to your seatpost if you really need that help to get to the top of your freeride trails. then you van just pop it off after and stick it in your pack so the bike stays nimble.
  • + 1
 Sorry, but what is a shuttle buddy?
  • + 1
 rffr no one is putting everything new down ,just opignion i think if someone buys it must have a need for it ,i hope for almost all riders here we ride because we love all the parts of it andthe effort we put in it ,theres some stuff coming out, but sry this isnt it
  • + 1
 26kg, pretty light for a motorbike
  • + 5
 Well look at it this way guys... remember when computers were massive and took up a whole room... now you basically have one in a cell phone.

So think of it this way... this technology could evolve into something the size of just a normal bottom bracket one day... weighing almost nothing. Everything starts somewhere. It will just get smaller, more powerful, and more efficient. I'd be down for something like this because of the length of rides I go on on my dh bike. Pedaling for 10 miles on a mid 40 lb bike sucks butt... sure I can walk it the entire way but that sucks even more. So having something give the assist to help you get to the top then you can rip down is awsome. I think a lot of you guys forget not everyone wants to or does own an AM/XC or enduro rig, not everyone owns a hard tail. Not everyone lives by somehwere you can shuttle, or take a lift. Some of us just like our big travel big hit heavy bikes and still want to be able to go ride em for longer distances. Its a great idea... and I bet in the next 10 years it will be a completely different idea (IE technology changes... and fast in the electronics world)
  • + 1
 Well said rffr, my thoughts exactly. I hate shuttling my big bike, waste of gas and time. But pedalling the thing up is worse. (VPfree, 43 lbs) If I could make it easier to pedal up, for a ten pound penalty, I'd take that in an instant.
  • + 1
 rffr your bottom bracket comment already exists, boingboing.net/2010/06/03/doping-in-cycling-no.html
  • + 1
 its for mammy & pappy...cool...lol
  • + 1
 i dont like it its fucking retarted
  • + 1
 hummmm kinda defeets the point in a mountain bike duno
  • + 1
 How much does it weigh?
  • + 1
 26kg = 57.32 pounds!!!!!
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