First Ride: Ghost Hybride SL AMR X S7.7+ LC eMTB

May 21, 2018
by Paul Aston  



Ghost Bikes are from a small town called Waldsassen, Germany, close to the Czech border. With a huge heritage in XC racing, as well as downhill and 4X, the brand is now stepping aggressively into the eMTB market with what promises to be a cracker.

Every now and then a bike turns up with nearly every feature you have been longing for. On paper, the SL AMR X has it all: Long reach, short stem, wide bar – check. Big front wheel, smaller but fatter rear wheel, an 'MXer Concept' – check (many people were already trying out this solution when Canyon launched their mismatched Spectral:ON). Steep seat tube and a long-ish chainstay for aggressive climbing – check. An external and easy to swap battery, Shimano's smooth motor and SRAM's clever EX1 drivetrain – check. Extra short 155mm cranks for clearance – check.


Ghost Hybride SL AMR X
Intended use: trail/enduro
Travel: 140mm rear / 160mm front
Wheel size: "MXer Concept" 29"/27.5+
Frame construction: Carbon front triangle with aluminium rear.
Suspension: RockShox Super Deluxe Coil / Lyrik DPA RCT3
Motor: Shimano STEPS E8000
Battery: Shimano external 504wh
Sizes: S, M, L, XL
Price: TBA (dependant on territory)
More info: ghost-bikes.com

A kinematic shaped around a coil shock at the rear and Dual Position air-sprung Lyrik up front? Well, that wasn't on the wishlist, but we'll try it. Pretty much everything I have been asking for on an eMTB, bar the world's longest and most complicated name, the Ghost Hybride SL AMR X S7.7+ LC, is on this bike.


Ghost SL AMR Review - Cockpit headtube photo


Construction, Features and Motor


The front triangle of the SL AMR X is a carbon affair, but there are no fancy internal battery packs here, just the small and easy to exchange external Shimano battery. The motor is a STEPS E8000 from Shimano, a system that has been faultless to date, and one that appears to have taken the market share in a short period judging by the bikes I have been sent to test. There is a small, but important, drivetrain difference with the 155mm custom cranks marked with Ghost's GND51 moniker, a great move; many have requested shorter cranks, but 170mm was the limit from Shimano. Canyon managed to make a special order for 165mm arms for their Spectral:ON, but these Germans have gone one better.


Ghost SL AMR Review - Ghost have specced their own super short 155mm cranks something that aggresive eMTB riders have been asking for.
Ghost have specced their own super-short 155mm cranks, something that aggressive eMTB riders have been asking for.
Ghost SL AMR Review - An E13 top guide cheep the chain on and a rubberises guard protects and quietens the chainstay.
An E13 top guide to keep the chain on and a rubberized guard protects and quietens the chainstay.

The rear triangle is alloy and houses a 27.5+ Maxxis Minion DHRII tire, which is mated with a 29" front wheel and Maxxis Shorty 2.5" WT tire. Ghost have dubbed this their 'MXer Concept.' Other features include everything that we have come to expect from modern bikes like internal cable routing, rubberized chain slap protectors and a small top guide chain device from E13 to keep the chain on.

Ghost SL AMR Review - Maxxis Minion DHRII 2.8
Maxxis Minion DHRII 2.8"
Ghost SL AMR Review - The 2.5 WT Shorty from Maxxis is an aggressive option at the front.
The 2.5" WT Shorty from Maxxis is an aggressive option at the front.

Ghost SL AMR Review - Cockpit and Shimano head unit
Cockpit and Shimano head unit.
Ghost SL AMR Review - The stem and carbon handlebar are from Ghost and take the new G1D moniker.
The stem and carbon handlebar are from Ghost and take the new GND51 moniker.


Build

Starting at the top there is a Ghost GroundFiftyOne GND51 handlebar and stem. The suspension is top of the line from RockShox with a Lyrik RCT3 Charger cartridge and Dual Position Air assembly which is matched to a Super Deluxe Coil RCT with rebound and low-speed compression adjustments.

Wheels are another eMTB specific component from DT Swiss. Their Hybrid H1700 wheels feature thicker spoke heads and nipples, a thicker rim wall at the spoke bed and a steel freehub body to take on the extra wattage of an eMTB. The rear rim is wider at 35mm internal to work with the 27.5+ x 2.8" Minion DHRII.


Ghost SL AMR Review - Ergon provide the contact points with saddle and grips
Ergon provide the contact points with saddle and grips.
Ghost SL AMR Review - DT Swiss H1700 eMTB specific wheelset
DT Swiss H1700 eMTB specific wheelset is spec'd...


Ghost SL AMR Review - ...30mm DT Swiss eMTB H1700 wheelset
...with a 30mm wide front rim and 35mm rear.


Ergon provides the contact points with an SME30 saddle and GA2 grips (a grip that I still cannot get, err, to grips with), and a KS LEV dropper post actuated by a thumb lever that fits nicely on to the handlebar next to Shimano's computer controlling undercarriage.


Ghost SL AMR Review - Power mode and dropper post controls
Power mode and dropper post controls.
Ghost SL AMR Review - Ergon grips and SRAM EX1 shifter
Ergon grips and SRAM EX1 shifter.


Ghost SL AMR Review - Ghost opted for the small and simple external battery from Shimano
Ghost opted for the small and simple external battery from Shimano.
Ghost SL AMR Review - SRAM s EX1 is the only drivetrain choice for eMTB.
SRAM's EX1 is the only drivetrain choice for eMTB, but I still snapped the derailleur cage while I was genuinely "just riding along."



Geometry & Sizing

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As well as giving the bike with one of the longest names ever, they have also gone big in the geometry department with S to XL sizes and a reach range of 415mm all the way to 499mm. All sizes are fitted with a 45mm stem and 780mm wide carbon GND51 handlebar.

The chainstay has been left at a medium length for an eMTB at 455mm, this is combined with the steepest seat angle I have found on an eMTB to date at 75.5º. This combination, mixed with the Dual Position Air Lyrik, promises a machine that should lead the pack on steep and technical climbs.


Suspension Design

Ghost SL AMR Review - non-drive side shot

The SL AMR X uses a standard four-bar linkage which has become the most popular suspension system on the market, and with good reason – a quick session on the computer to manipulate each of the pivots by a few millimeters here and there and you can almost precisely tune each aspect of the bike individually to the others.


Ghost SL AMR Review - Rocker link and Super Deluxe Coil
Rocker link and Super Deluxe Coil.
Ghost SL AMR Review - The Dual Position Air is an interesting choice.
The Dual Position Air is an interesting choice.


This bike is built around a coil shock, something that Ghost has been pushing for years on their trail and all-mountain bikes as a higher performance solution to air. A Super Deluxe RCT Coil is found out back to control 140mm of travel, matched with a 160mm Lyrik Dual Position Adjust fork. I thought the DPA system had vanished from RockShox's lineup, but it is still around and with the twist of a dial you can drop the travel from 160mm to 130mm to make huge differences to the climbing dynamic of the bike.


Specifications

Specifications
Release Date May 2018
Price
Travel 160mm / 140mm
Rear Shock RockShox Super Deluxe Coil RCT 140 mm
Fork RockShox Lyrik RCT3 Dual Position Air 160 mm
Cassette SRAM XG 899 11-48
Crankarms Ground Fiftyone 155mm
Chainguide Ground Fiftyone 34T
Rear Derailleur SRAM EX1 8-S
Chain SRAM EX1 8-S
Shifter Pods SRAM EX1 8-S
Handlebar Ground Fiftyone Carbon 780 mm Rise 35 mm Dia. 35 mm
Stem Ground Fiftyone Team 35mm dia.
Brakes SRAM Code R Piston 200 mm Disc
Wheelset DT Swiss H 1700 Spline 30 mm Wheelset 15x110 mm // DT Swiss H 1700 Spline 35 mm Wheelset 12x148 mm
Tires Maxxis Shorty 3C MaxxTerra Exo 29x2.5 // Maxxis Minion DHR II 3C MaxxTerra Exo 27.5x2.8
Seat Ergon SME30
Seatpost Kind Shock LEV Integra 31.6 mm


Ghost SL AMR Review - A rare Dual Position Air Lyrik RCT3 heads up the bike.
A rare Dual Position Air Lyrik RCT3 heads up the bike.










Climbing

Out of the gate, the geometry put me in a more central position on the bike which meant I was conquering climbs with ease requiring less effort to keep the front wheel down, alleviating strain on my aging lower back. Dropping the forks down using the DPA Lyrik makes a huge amount of difference to the climbing position and further aids on steep tech climbs.

It was refreshing to step back on to an eMTB with a SRAM EX1 drivetrain, which is simply smoother and more reliable than anything else out there. The one gear change per shifter click, fewer gears, wider range, and steel cassette and chain are everything an eMTB needs. Shimano aren't fools though, and when they finally release something to work harmoniously with their motor, I'm sure it will be fantastic, it might even take the Di2 tech found on commuter bikes which eases off the power for a split second at the same time as you change gears. Also, Shimano, while we are here, can we have the smaller push-button mode selector for the off-road motors too? Thanks, Paul.


Ghost SL AMR Review - climbing


Descending

The SL AMR X had a comfortable and upright riding position, but, the head angle felt steeper at 66º degrees as soon as you drop into descending trail compared to the other test rigs in the shed. The fork took some tweaking to get the correct ride height with air, tokens, and LSC, but when I was comfortable things started to truck on. The bikes corners well with the -30mm bottom bracket drop and wheel selection with the Shorty tearing into soft terrain. It was wet during the first ride and I would be swapping for a Minion DHF or similar on my usually dry and rocky trails.

Unfortunately, a broken derailleur, followed by an injured thumb a few days after means that a full review of the SL AMR X is on hold, but we are looking forward to putting it through its paces against its rivals later on this summer, as the initial impression appears to have ticked all of the boxes.


Ghost SL AMR Review - cornering






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132 Comments

  • + 53
 Name isn’t long enough.
  • + 19
 That's not a name, it's an equation... Seems appropriate I guess
  • + 10
 The answer is 42
  • + 7
 @RedBurn: How? I got MoToRBikE
  • + 7
 @AMGoran: 42 is the ultimate answer, the only answer. So long, and thanks for all the fish.
  • + 6
 I think the name could be lower and slacker too!
  • + 2
 @steviestokes: That's the answer but the question is not the right one.
  • + 1
 @vid1998: What IS the meaning of life?
  • + 2
 @RedBurn: always know where your towel is.
  • + 1
 @steviestokes: The answer is 42 but the ultimate question is what do you get when you multiply six by nine.
  • + 1
 @polarproton: Do you know what we are talking about?
  • + 1
 @vid1998: Get the Babel Fish out, its been lost in translation
  • + 1
 @steviestokes: Hahahaha, just don't get depressed.
  • + 2
 @vid1998: Of course, we're talking about mathematics! I love that! Big Grin
  • + 28
 Emtb, plus tires, a name so long it literally gave me a minor seizure. This comment section should go very well.
  • + 0
 This has to be one to watch.... and i mean the comment section for this article #hatersliningup
  • + 9
 why? Its all great! It has a moderm geo, I like that there are more and more bikes with gearbox and then you have an option to run an external SWAT compartment instead of a water bottle... Wait a minute!!!
  • + 1
 Popcorn
  • + 10
 Adjustable travel forks are terrible, just stick with doing the suspension thing well. Save that lowering for the work stand.
  • + 2
 Couldn't disagree more. I've been riding the Dual Position Air spring for 5 years now and it works like a charm. To me it is a huge plus for All Mountain riding, the possibility to lower the fork by 15-20mm is an absolute must to be able to clear some technical climbs.
  • + 4
 @Barkit: agree, Lyrik U-Turn still going strongly and helping me both up and down mountains. Is this a bad thing?
  • + 1
 @Barkit: strongly and strong! Bigly...
  • + 3
 I have a Lyrik DPA and it makes a huge difference for climbing. If I couldn't drop my fork I wouldn't be able to get my enduro bike to the top of many climbs. Dropping my handlebars an inch is enormously helpful for me. Single position forks are fine for area like PNW that have nice tame climb trails, but where I live you typically need to climb steep ass trails to get to the top.

I've ridden dpa and non-dpa back-to-back and couldn't tell a difference in responsiveness or plushness or anything like that. The only difference is one extra o-ring. IMO dpa is an excellent design and I'm surprised that it's not more popular with other brands, perhaps Sram has a patent?

Fox's Talas is a different beast and more complicated than it should be to address a problem that doesn't exist by allowing riders to use less travel on downhills.
  • + 2
 i have 0 issues with my dual position pike
  • + 1
 I love having a 180 forked slack bike for getting rowdy and a 140 fork for climbs and mellow riding.
What performance am I giving up that can compeat with that?
  • + 1
 My experience with them has been horrible, I had a pair that blew up 3 times (2015 Pike DPA), and I saw multiple pairs get warrantied though our shop - apparently I am the anomaly though.
Also I found them over dampened compared to the non DPA version, super wallowy though mid stoke with the LSC on firm.
  • + 5
 i for the first time went for a bike trip with my GF recently
we weren't riding anything hard but climbs were long and steep, she was struggling hard as she isn't as fit as im (or rather she doesn't have muscles). on majority of climbs she had to walk her bike uphill and i either did the same or was waiting for her at the top. she felt like shit because of that (as she said she was letting me down and in general didnt feel good about herself) and had pretty much no fun from riding
if she was on a ebike the trip would be much more enjoyable for both of us
  • + 18
 And then she will be waiting for you. And by the same logic you will then justify buying your own ebike. Don't do it.
  • + 6
 I was walking down Kahlenberg in Vienna with my wife a couple of years ago. A couple was riding up on a road bike and ebike combo. Top marks.
  • + 9
 You went riding “for the first time”, as you said.
You could just, you know, both get fitter and stronger. Imagine that!
  • + 5
 What's the point? She wont ever get fit enough to keep up with you on a normal bike. It's called progression, why cheat your girlfriend of it? No one ever got on a bike and could ride perfectly on the first day
  • + 1
 @Lejla: no i went with her for the 1st time, i ride quite often and im fit enough to do all climbs which she struggled with

getting stronger is not that easy and even tho she goes to gym couple of times a week it was still really hard for her

@IntoTheEverflow
no why? she would be able to keep up with me

@Levin192
the point is that she wont ever get fit enough, she rides a bike once a month and i want to have fun riding with her
  • + 2
 @Levin192: ain't no way my wife will ever be able to keep up with me on a bike ride if I'm riding my normal pace. Even if she wanted to go on a bike ride, which she doesn't thankfully. I've been mountain biking for 28 years, I do weight training three times a week, football five times and swimming once, in addition to cycling. That is an insurmountable difference. An ebike might at least give her motivation, since it's a bit easier.
  • + 9
 jaame - you do all that in a week? Did you get a hold of a container filled with euphedrin pills? Your doc overprescribing Ritalin? How the fk do you regenerate? Football 5 times a week alone would kill most 30 year olds. I'm impressed and curious. And please send me some of that stuff.
  • + 1
 Or you just skip the uphill trying to have fun thing and go slow and have fun down the hill like everybody else
  • + 4
 @AMGoran: or you have fun on the way up and on the way down... Bejesus... considering average terrain in Sweden, e-bikes are a fkng blast, it’s like riding in a bike park
  • + 3
 @jaame: I'm 40, and been biking for years, played rugby etc - but that kind of exercise load, even if I had the time, would kill me! I ride to work and back, 20km a day, Gym once or twice a week, and usually a good single track 50km at the weekend (DH in the summer), and I am fit to drop at the end of the week...!!

How on earth do you recover?
  • + 1
 @AMGoran:
walking kilometers uphill takes ages
  • + 0
 @WAKIdesigns: And then you get your head chopped off because someone put up a wire on the trail
  • + 2
 @AMGoran: I don't know what to say to this... that I'm sorry for you? That it will be better in 10 years? The angst will be gone but you have to go through the pain? I hope you are using the possibility and the privilege of having a lot of inconsequential sex? instead of just wanking to Zara Larsson? I don't know... be well
  • - 1
 The moral to that story is : ride with your mates and leave your GF at home to do the house work !!!
  • + 1
 @Lejla: What? Are you saying people are actually still doing that?
  • + 5
 Ebikes are inevitable. That said my mother is 58 and she needs an e-bike. My wife is 36 and does not need one, and she rides like once a month. Still, she can climb any hill, just slower, with more effort, but she can. Now, going down the hill also requires a LOT of effort and fit. So, an e-bike does not make unfit person progress - sorry. You wife on an e-bike will climb faster that you and then what? Going down a gravel road?
  • + 0
 The need for you to not be bored whilst waiting for your girlfriend to climb up a hill, at a "once a month rate" most certainly absolutely justifies the purchase of a emtb who's battery has been built with rare metals obtained through the "work" of an 8 year old congolese kid in a mine that has been dug in an area that used to be a mountain gorillas colony before they were slaughtered by poachers and militias payed by the corrupt government to do so in order to indulge some big mining company's will to expand and make shitloads of billions of dollars no matter the consequences.

And please don't tell me that smartphones and computers and other stuff use the same materials, I know it already. But it looks like doing without them in our modern world is kind of a little more problematic than doing without a mtbike that has a motor and f**n battery on it. But I guess if the electricity produced to charge the battery comes from some "green" renewable energy system it makes it all a bit better, which in Poland shouldn't be a problem since, as everyone knows, you guys totally stepped out of the coal business ages ago...

www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2016/01/child-labour-behind-smart-phone-and-electric-car-batteries
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4764208/Child-miners-aged-four-living-hell-Earth.html
And from Poland with love : www.euronews.com/2017/11/30/poland-among-europe-s-worst-for-smog
  • + 2
 @cliffdroper:
i dont care if im bored, i dont want her to feel like shit because even tho she tries she cant get as fit as me and i want her and me to have fun the entire time and not only downhill and even then its mostly me because she is tired as f*ck

the rest of your post is a non-issue for me, i define what is justifiable purchase for me, not you or anyone else

also with ebike should would be able to ride more often with me
  • - 4
flag cliffdroper (May 21, 2018 at 15:44) (Below Threshold)
 @Asmodai: Lol... I'm glad you cleared the fact you're more part of the problem than the solution. Also, my bad, I didn't realize your gf was feeling like shit during your monthly ride. Had I grasped the severity of her situation right away, I would have kept my comments about the reality of the rare metal industry by myself. So sorry man...
  • + 2
 @cliffdroper: it's ok everyone makes mistakes, im glad you admitted that
  • + 1
 @Asmodai: you could wank to Zara Larsson while you wait for your gf on top of the hill. Double win without emtb
  • + 3
 @sontator I have never wanked on a ride. Must be a Down Country thing.
  • + 2
 @WAKIdesigns: when climaxing you get a testosterone boost, fact. Basically i dont ride, wank only. I call it wankduro. Braaap!

But that is not the point. I thought that way he will be happy and radiant by the time his gf made it up the hill and she will feel less shit and he has something sensible to do in the meantime.
  • + 1
 @Sontator: Maybe it works for him, wouldn't work for me. I'd be deflated.
  • + 1
 @WAKIdesigns: Have you tried tubeless?
  • + 1
 @Asmodai: Everyone indeed, especially the ones buying Emtbikes Wink
  • + 0
 @cliffdroper: cool story bro
  • + 1
 @Asmodai: Thanks man ! Glad I could entertain and enlighten you !
  • + 7
 I say good job Ghost, looks loads better than the similar concept Canyon Spectral:On
  • + 7
 Eventually e-bike riders will start demanding "no cranks at all". Then we are all Fcked. :-)
  • + 4
 yeah who needs leverage provided by cranks if they are just a wierdly operated gas pedal?
  • + 8
 The cranks will probably be shorter and shorter until they disappear..
  • + 1
 Change is the only constant. I can't wait to get myself an ebike... when they make them lighter, more powerful, cheaper and better looking.
  • + 1
 @satra: That's how evolution works according to Mr Charles Darwing. But I thought thousands of years were needed.
  • + 1
 @Fulgacian: no that's not how it works
  • + 3
 Nonsense - I got a Cube HT eBike to help me recover from a nasty injury that kept me out for 6 months (dislocated shoulder and subsequent issues). it got me back out on the bike, and it *does* give you a good workout - it's pedal assist, not pedal replacement. Statements like yours are pretty sensationalist and clearly from someone who never used an eMTB.

For about 50% of my rides I have the motor turned off, 35% of the rest on 'eco' which gives minimal boost, and the rest on 'medium' for big hills (here in Switzerland climbs in and out of valleys can get pretty vertical and I'd have been pushing my AM bike). 'Turbo' gives too much power and actually makes it harder to climb some things offroad, although I do use it on occasion. A motor is not a free ticket, and at the end of a long ride you are still knackered - eMTBs are still a workout.

Not only did the eBike help me get my fitness back, but it's awesome for sessioning quick laps when I have the time, without being absent from my family and kids for whole days or weekends. I can quickly tear up a huge hill in the evening and sneak in a few DH laps on my fav singletrack without pissing off my other half - I am fresh at the top so can really enjoy the descents and I can do it in 1/4 of the time it would take me to do it unassisted.
  • + 1
 @Marc2211:

Same with me.... Bravo!!!
  • - 4
flag RedRedRe (May 21, 2018 at 14:50) (Below Threshold)
 @Marc2211: so what prevented you from recovering on a regular bike?
You sound pretty selfish as you can "quickly tear up a huge hill in the evening and sneak in a few DH laps on my fav singletrack without pissing off my other half " but you don't care to piss off all other riders?
  • + 6
 @RedRedRe:

why would anyone be pissed at him?
unless someone is retarded enough to care what someone else is riding, but i guess there is no cure for being an idiot
  • + 2
 @Marc2211: Oh man you're such a Swiss. And I'm swiss too so I don't mean to insult you. But, seriously you bought an 5000CHF emtb just to help you recover during a "6 months" time span, as a/your road bike or even your normal mtb on mellower trails/tours wouldn't have been enough to slowly and gradually put you back into shape ? I hope you do realize how this concept won't be relevant to most of the people around the world, living outside an environment as economically wealthy as Switzerland.

And I'm glad you get to do more DH laps since the motor does the big part of the uphill riding job, which allows you to spend more time with your wife and kids, but as I read such profound arguments, I can't help wondering how much time the congolese kid who dug the cobalt that was used to build your emtb's battery spends with his dad, on his monthly day off at the mine.

But I guess it's always the same song you hear from the emtb crowd "more, more more mooooaaarrr downhill, right now right here, I don't care what it takes, I just have to have it". Kind of a sad tune tbh.

Also, the whole "it's pedal assist not replacement" argument is kind of weak. Have you ever seriously ridden an MX on a proper course ? It's really physical, so I guess it can count as workout too. Probably not as much as a triathlon, but then again emtbiking neither. Everything is relative.

FYI : www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2016/01/child-labour-behind-smart-phone-and-electric-car-batteries
and so on
  • + 3
 @cliffdroper:
if you care so much just buy a battery/bike from a company that doesn't exploit kid labor (or any other illegal activities)

many electronic companies already source only "legal" materials (like Intel)
  • - 2
 @Asmodai: you don’t get this conversation. Sit back and observe for now, once you will get it, leave a comment.
Otherwise you sound like the stupid stereotypical associated with the flag next to your name. Don’t make poland look bad!
  • + 2
 @RedRedRe:
oh i get it
you are just another ebike hater with no real arguments

everything you wrote so far is bullshit lol
  • + 3
 "Come to Finale, stay at my house, use one of my test bikes, race up some of the technical/trialsy climbs around here, then tell me how easy it is after 70kms..."

Easier than the same route on a normal bike???
  • + 1
 I wonder why all people i see riding these things look like a piece wood on top of a two wheels vehicle?
But they have all the "cool" gear covering their undefined chubby body?
And they go fast Up the hill when it is tarmac or fire road and push the vehicle on the downs?
  • + 13
 At least holding on to a 23kg rig walking down the hill is good calorie burning. I like eMTB's because they get all sorts of people out on bikes, if they are overweight, so what, everyone has to start somewhere.
  • + 0
 so only fit people have right to ride a bike?

f*ck off
  • + 1
 @paulaston:
Having both mtb and emopeds on the same trails is dangerous because of the difference of speed. This has been a well know issue in the cities. In nyc ebikes have been outlawed because of several accidents w other bikes and walkers.

Asmodai you are tick headed

Riding an ebike is not riding a bike. Most people riding e mtb are wealthy 30’s chubbys that think to be able to short cut their way into the sport.

I would totally be for more bikes, expecially in the cities, except ebikes are dangerous as statistics well show.

Both because of speed and because they are ridden by incompetent a*sholes.
  • - 4
flag Asmodai (May 21, 2018 at 7:03) (Below Threshold)
 @RedRedRe:

ebikes are legal in new york

riding an ebike is literally the same as riding normal bike you just get more power to fill your physical weakness or laziness and both are fine

also lets ban trucks because they are only idiots are driving them and because of the weight and speed difference they are dangerous for everyone else
  • + 4
 @Asmodai: keep typing muppet.
  • - 4
flag Asmodai (May 21, 2018 at 8:10) (Below Threshold)
 @RedRedRe: typical lack of arguments
  • - 4
flag deadmeat25 (May 21, 2018 at 11:32) (Below Threshold)
 @RedRedRe: Utter wank stain.
  • + 3
 @RedRedRe:

I can bet that majority of mtb ride much faster as e-mtb riders. So, your arguments are very weak...
  • + 1
 @zokinjo: yeah... even ridden one? They are slower except where the trails are smooth... that is when is it dangerous. Up a hill, around a blind turn. On a smooth straight. Not all trails are the same. You don't hear them coming and they are not the most skilled riders.
Not skilled - faster, is a bad combo.
I have no ideological hook ups against bike with motors. I did think they could be a great solutions for cities - never thought it could be a sport segment- however they ended up being dangerous. Too much of a speed difference. They made it illegal in nyc for a reason – anybody who lives there and ride a bike can tell you of close calls.

They are not ridden by people that have been riding mtb for years. They are clueless of the basics of trail co-existence.

And enough of "it is great so everyone can enjoy bikes" bs.
If somebody has a severe injury but still wants to ride, then I can see it.
If you are in your 70's then I can see a reason.
Anything else - out of shape, lazy, want my bf/gf to ride w me etc. etc. it is not a good reason.
I do not want these people to ruin it for all.... they are going to disappear in short time, however the damage could be pretty big...
Co-existence is not possible in most cases.
Do you want to ride on top of the dolomites.... earn it.
Do you want to buy your way trough life? Get an e bike.
  • + 2
 @RedRedRe: ebikes are legal in ny
  • + 2
 @RedRedRe: "Not skilled - faster, is a bad combo."

Anyone on a road bike......

Now shut up....
  • - 1
 @deadmeat25: if that is you riding on your videos... i would think twice before commenting about skills.
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 @RedRedRe: Thanks for watching them, and nice try with the bottom of the barrel burn attempt, better luck next time... You were the who mentioned skills though by the way, i simply quoted you, but i'm not surprised a thick c*nt like you who literally has no intelligent things to say at all, has no problem sinking so low as to say that i said something that you actually said. I realize you're probably very confused, because you are really really stupid, as well as a f*cking troll, a stupid brain dead, c*nt troll, i feel sorry for you a little bit, but if i'm honest i'd have to say that i really i wouldn't care if you ended up winning a Darwin award, posthumously.
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 @RedRedRe: There is no difference in speed on the trails, on the downs an EMTB is the same as a MTB and on the ups an EMTB makes a mere mortal like Lance Armstong on EPO, that's about it, they are not tearing up and down the trails like gas powered motorbikes.
The whole of the biking industry is marketed to the 30+ gang as those are people with a disposable income to buy the expensive bikes and it is what keeps the industry alive.
If you think Ebikes are lame that's fair enough but if you are part of the cult that thinks it ruins the spirit of MTB or some other such bullshit then you should be riding a rigid Klunker down the trails.
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 It’s funny how an article about an ebike quickly turns into an argument about the justification of their existence.

Yes, electric powered bikes have a place. No fit, older, lazy, beginners...

Just don’t want to be in that place.
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 And you can debate the justification for their existence all you like, they're here, and there's fuck all you can do about it...
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 PB Feels like April fools everyday
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 The design theme that ghost bikes (angular and sharp creases) looks so awesome, if their 29in trailbike had geometry that tickled my pickle i'd be all over that!
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 Climbing “I was conquering climbs with ease”.......yea because bosh was doing all the hard work for you!
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 It was conquering the technical aspects, you can still punish yourself climbing on eMTBS, you just go faster.

Come to Finale, stay at my house, use one of my test bikes, race up some of the technical/trialsy climbs around here, then tell me how easy it is after 70kms...
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 It's a shimano system...

I both 'get' and don't get e-bikes.

Being a mechanic in a large store that sells a fair amount of them and sees a disproportionate amount of them coming back in, I can 100% say I wouldn't touch one with a barge pole. That goes for the cheap nasty e-bikes, Shimano and Bosch systems alike. Remember when dropper posts first came out and people wouldn't stop talking about them, but in truth they sucked? But now we finally have some fairly cheap/reliable options available? I hope to god the same is true of e-bikes, mostly for my own sake, haha.

Also as a young fit guy, I'd rather ride 40km on a regular bike than 70k on an e-bike. Just saying.
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 @paulaston: easier than the same route on a normal bike???
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 Shimano motor.
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 Fuck the haters. I'm all about it. When they have a couple more years of development in them.
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 @Nacholq: you can ride climbs that are absolutely impossible with normal bikes
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 @mirskeinereingefalln: which is bad because apparently somewhere here in Europe, people are renting e-bikes in the alps and climbing to the tops of some of these place but can’t go down because of lack of skill. I’ve heard they have been having to be brought down by local mountain officials.
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 @mirskeinereingefalln: sure! and with a trials motorcycle and proper skills you would probably ride even more difficult climbs, and if this is not enough just get off the motorbike, go get a pair of climbing shoes, chalk and climb up. This is precisely what in my oppinion is the problem with e-bikes...we are talking different sports....
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 @Nacholq: I agree with you that it is a different sport or at least a much different discipline than regular mtb/enduro. I don't really understant the problem with this though.
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 @mirskeinereingefalln: mixing it with cycling stuff, selling it as cycling...which in esence is a human powered sport...as many others. Imagine the same happening in rowing for intance. Sure it is funny to go for a spin in a motorized canoe or kayak etc, but does this justify the invasion of the sport with those rigs? I don't have any argument against ebikes per se, the problem for me is the way this ebike thing it is being managed.
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 @Nacholq: Ebikes are mountain bikes with motors. 95% the same as a normal mountain bike. Imagine if people had your same standpoint before suspension, disc brakes etc. Are electric gears allowed in your book?
People buy what they want to buy. If people want Ebikes to go cycling on, they will buy Ebikes. If no one buys them to go cycling on, companies will stop making them. At this point, it looks to me like you're in a minority.
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 @jaame: if you read my comment above you will see that I do not have anything against ebikes, nor against motorbikes, electronic shifting or any other kind of technological innovation. In fact I think ebikes are really good for city transport for instance and probably very fun to ride on a trail. Who am I to say NO you cannot buy or ride ebikes?. Said that, obbiously I have some oppinion on what is cycling and this is my point, it is a human powered sport and a bycicle should be human powered. And this is what I complaint about, including ebikes in cycling and putting them at the same level...like well they are essentially a mountainbike but we just added a minor, insignificant detail...a motor!. This is where our oppinions diverge. For me they aren't mountainbikes at 95%. A boat its not a submarine that cannot go underwater...One sport can have many aspects, disciplines etc but what differenciates cycling from other two wheeled spotrs then?
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 @Nacholq: Well I guess for me that are different forms of the same thing. The parts are all the same, you pedal it to go along, just one gives you a chance of riding more laps in a given time because you're no longer wasting 90% of your riding time grinding up hill. I would prefer a normal bike on the downs, but I will probably get an ebike for my next bike just to redress this balance of up to down riding time. It's kind of like shuttling, but you drive yourself up.
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 I like how this is a shortened review.
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 because ebikes suck going downhill maybe?
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 Excelent concept. I like it very much... This should be a training bike of Tim Gajser... Wink
  • + 1
 If only those chain stays where a bit longer they seem way to short to prevent any fun on the back wheel
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 Learn to ride like this guy and tell me again how no fun can be had with 455mm CSs.

www.pinkbike.com/video/480130
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 Why have a dérailleur with an e bike, weight is not an issue so go gear box.
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 never expected to want to be american, ever.
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 Fiddle de-deeeee... Dum de Dum Dum duuuuum... Doodly Doo be dooo
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 Sorry shimano but just emphasizes how much I don’t read e-bike articles
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 yet you clicked this link lol
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 @Asmodai: ha, yea fair comment mate
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 Catchy name
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 66 is steep? What is this world coming to...
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 Needs Dual Position fork to help with climbing...
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 Looks like a great bike-just needs shimano brakes and a coil fork.
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 Motorbike Test - BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
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 Bottle cage?
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 No comments about water bottle? Noone?? wtf..
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 Water bottle?! On an E-Bike? Are you mad!? These things come with push button Red Bull dispensers...
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 @Fix-the-Spade: Red Bull? For e-bile rider?? Do they actualy pedal???
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 E-pinkbike.com
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 Okey, someone just must say it - ebikers are awesome.
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 Might just buy one so I can pissoff the haters
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 the battery bulge on that tube looks like cancer tumor
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 Wrong baby...
This way how to mount the battery on an e-bike is a bingo. So called Power tube is not practical/not useful. It just looks better. Bravo Ghost engineers!!!! Chapeau!!!!
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 Nope.
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