Gloworm X1 and XS Lights - Review

Oct 28, 2014
by Paul Aston  
Gloworm was founded by Bruce Davey, a mountain biker and outdoorsman from Auckland, New Zealand, and his aim is to offer more affordable lights for riders who want to get out at night but aren't prepared to spend an entire paycheck on a lighting solution. Davey does all of the product design, sales and sourcing himself, while the products are manufactured in Asia under the watchful eye of Vaggelis Monogyios, the man behind the in-house production of Gloworm's lights. The company has grown quickly from its small beginnings in New Zealand, and Gloworm's lights are now available in most countries around the world. The very competitive price is obviously a big reason for this, but Davey is also quick to point out that his lights have the best weight-to-lumen ratio on the market. We spent a good amount of time using his 950 lumen X1 that retails for $189.99 USD, as well as the more powerful XS model that boasts a retina melting 2200 lumens and a $350 USD price tag.



X1 Details:

• Lumens: 950
• GoPro, Velcro, switch adapter and O-ring handlebar mounts
• IP67 waterproof rating
• Three beam pattern options
• Two cell Li-ion battery, 2900mAh
• Colour: black anodized
• Weight: head - 58g, complete - 178g (actual)
• MSRP: $209 USD






XS Details:

• Lumens: 2200
• Quick release handlebar mount, helmet mount, switch adapter
• IP66 waterproof rating
• Three beam pattern options
• Four cell Li-ion battery pack, 6800mAh
• Colour: black anodized
• Weight: head - 110g, complete - 330g (actual)
• MSRP: $369 USD






Light Heads

The X1's 32mm wide, 58 gram body is home to a single Cree XM-L2 U2 LED emitter, and it features an interchangeable lens system that allows you to customize the beam pattern between what Gloworm refers to as Superspot, Spot, and Flood options. The head itself is CNC machined, and it carries a IP67 waterproof label that means it's both fully dust-proof and can be completely submerged in water for up to thirty minutes at a depth of one meter. It's probably best not to take it into the bathtub with you, but Gloworm is confident that it'll stand up to any wet weather that you'll possibly ride in.

Gloworm XOne Go-Pro Mount

The X1's nicely made helmet mount sticks to your lid with an adhesive backing.



The 2200 lumen XS sports three Cree LED emitters, each one slightly smaller in size than the single unit in the 950 lumen X1, and the same Superspot, Spot, and Flood lens options can also be taken advantage of. The head itself weighs 110 grams, which is just under double of what the X1 comes in at, and it carries a similar waterproof rating that should see it be impervious to some pretty nasty weather. Gloworm has machined a number of cooling fins into the head, a step that helps to reducing running temps, and there's a built-in heat sensor that will automatically reduce the power if things get too toasty from sitting still with the light on for an extended time.

The X1 comes with an alloy mount with an adhesive backing for your helmet, as well as a GoPro compatible mount. The XS can be fitted with either a quick release handle bar or a helmet mount. Both lights come with an extension cable, and the Velcro backed remote switch is standard, offering you better flexibility for those on-off moments.

Gloworm XS with remote switch.

The XS' offset mount allows the light to sit directly over your stem.



Batteries

The X1 is supplied with a 2900 mAH Li-ion battery using two Panasonic cells, giving it a run time of two hours twenty five minutes on maximum 'Boost Power'. The battery has a fuel gauge that displays how much charge remains, and coloured LED indicators show 40%, 80% or full charge levels. If used on the 'Special Dim' setting, a full forty-eight hours of light can be squeezed out, which means that you could potentially go weeks between charging if you're only using the light for commuting. The battery can be recharged in four hours using the smart charger. The more powerful XS boasts a 6800 mAH Li-ion battery using two Panasonic cells that provides a two hour run time at 2200 lumens. Charging time sits a five hours.





Performance

The quick release mount on the XS allows you to attach the light to your bars in seconds, although I struggled to get the Velcro remote switch to stick to the shot-peened finish of my Renthal handlebar. I also couldn't get the switch as close to my grips as I would like due to the 780mm width, and they'd need to be closer to 700mm to put it in range of a thumb. Adjusting the angle of the XS is easy - there's large degree of rotation that can be tensioned using the bolt on the mount. Fixing the X1 to my helmet was no problem due to my already installed GoPro mount, and this time the Velcro switch stuck itself to the side of my lid with no issues. I first tried fitting the battery pack to the back of the helmet, but there was just too much weight and it was bouncing around too much if I didn't go overboard with over tightening the helmet's retention system. Handily, the extension cable was long enough to store the battery in my coat pocket, the perfect solution as I don't always want to take a full pack if I head out for a quick evening blast.

Gloworm XS Quick-Release handlebar mount

The sleek mount of the XS takes up hardly any room on the handlebar.



Once everything was in place and I got to the trailhead, a few of my buddies quickly experienced the Medusa effect by looking my way - both lights are very, very bright. Group night riding can depend on your crew all using somewhat similar powered lights, otherwise you can end up riding in the dark, but also in your own shadow, which isn't ideal. I think most of the group experienced this to some extent, and I'm sure some went home after the ride considering a more powerful setup similar to what I was using. The range and the spread of the XS is huge, and when the battery of the X1 was in my pocket, the helmet mounted spot gave me none of the previous problems of the bobbing helmet obscuring my vision. Toggling between power outputs is a cinch, and it's easy to find the mode you want after a short period of prodding. Both lights offer a wide and even beam pattern that didn't leave me guessing as to what was coming up, which is always a good thing when you've got some speed behind you.

Gloworm 4-cell Fuel Tank

The XS' large battery didn't feel overly secure when strapped to my bike, although the rattling never did lead to it actually falling off.



Issues

The larger four cell battery pack that I attached to my down tube was always moving a little on rough stuff regardless of how tight I strapped up the Velcro, although it never actually escaped from its perch. I also couldn't get the Velcro pad for the remote button to stick to my Renthal bar for any longer than a photograph for love nor money, but Gloworm does produce a small, plastic switch mount than can be zip-tied to the bar which is available separately. The length of the remote switch cable on my bars continued to be frustrating as it didn't make it any more convenient than reaching all the way to the light itself to toggle between modes. Mounting the switch on the side of my helmet did make life easier, though. No reliability concerns popped up when it came to the performance of either the X1 or XS.



Pinkbike's take:
bigquotesMy only real issue was the remote switch, which only adds more complication than needed in terms of extra cables and fitting issues, and then the fact that to use it I always needed to remove a hand from the bar. Having said that, Gloworm's X1 and XS lights tick all the right boxes when it comes to output, reliability, and cost. The huge spread and range offered by the XS, and the miniscule X1 that adds hardly any extra weigh to your helmet, as well as the good value make them both winners in my book. - Paul Aston


http://www.glowormlites.co.nz


119 Comments

  • + 182
 Should probably have taken a picture at night with them on instead of at high noon. But that's none of my business.
  • + 23
 I'm sure night-photos aren't easy, but who the crap would buy a multi-hundred dollar light without something???
  • + 11
 I tried to do this with my nightlight and while yes i was only using my phone camera, it's pretty hard to get a good idea how bright something is when lit up at night/ how much you can actually see through a pic. I'm sure they tried but weren't happy with the results and felt that it didn't reflect the performance of the light in an accurate manner.
  • + 4
 It just looks more right to have at least one though. even if its not moving and just showing what the beam looks like ahead of the bike.
  • + 10
 I still use that (claimed) 1200 lumens CREE light I bought for 35 dollars at Amazon 2 years ago (by now you showld be able to get more lumens for the price). Now, for the price of this one, you could buy 2 CREE, one for the helmet, one for the handle bar, and still be able to to take you girl out for dinner..
  • + 5
 MagicShine... Amazon, bought two lights for less that half of one of these. Found a guy who made a custom mount for my gopro attachments. All spent was $80. for supposedly 1000 lumen each light.
  • + 2
 No night shots is a faux pas for any serious light review. The pics were taken with a DSLR [Nikon D5100], so there's not much of an excuse for not waiting until dark and doing it right with the correct exposure settings. Even MTBR does it right...
  • + 1
 Was it really that hard to make another handlebar clamp for the battery?
  • + 4
 with enough duck tupe you can mount it anywhere
  • + 1
 With the 200-400 dollar asking price, I'm sure as hell they could've managed a night shot... it's 2015... we have the technology!
  • + 50
 Won't break the bank? are you kidding me?
  • + 31
 Exactly my thoughts. $369 for a bike light? What is this, Porsche Design?
  • + 43
 $30 Chinese lights for the win!!!!!!
  • + 2
 absolutely, i bought one 4000 lumen's that is one bright light and it work's absolutely good it really was bet, i thought it might worth it and it did. I didn't believe it first 4000 lumen's water resist rechargable but it turned out to be amazing light. So guys before you buy any expensive light check those lights on ebay trust me it worth it.
  • + 1
 Www.dx.com
  • + 3
 There are a lot of restrictions to shipping no-name Lithium batteries in Canada (not sure about US). I've had two $30 Chinese light orders turned back before the third one came through. So it's a bit of a gamble as to whether customs will intercept your order or not. But whatever, for $30, nobody's complaining Smile
  • + 1
 I was pretty proud of my cheap Chinese lights too until one decided to crap out in the middle of a fast single track descent. Fortunately I didn't crash but it scared me enough to pony up for a nicer Light and Motion that not only has a better light patten but also a 2 year warranty. And I can have confidence that the charger won't blow up the batteries inmy house.
  • + 1
 I've also got something similar to this that I have managed to attached to my helmet. The only thing that sucks is that the o ring design is absolutely crap when it comes to rough stuff if you have it mounted to your handle bars.. I'm thinking about getting a second one for mounting on my handle bars but I'm not saure how to go about mounting it so that it won't move about?
  • + 1
 I actually rapid-prototyped a mount that screws into the base of the light, then has the standard gopro mount on the other end to use both with handlebar/helmet/etc mounts. Mounts are cheap, standard and plentiful. Plus it doesn't move around like the crap o-ring mounts... If I can find my solid model of it, I'll post it in case anyone wants to get some made for themselves...
  • + 2
 @bishopsmike buy them off amazon. If it doesn't show up, or you get a dud battery (happened to me) its guaranteed exchanged/returned.
  • + 3
 I've also had a pair of Ebay lights for years now, a handlebar twin LED and a big 5 LED with Li-on packs, 35$ and 45$ , they still work great and are super powerful. That being said, it sure ain't now 45g on the head with panasonic cells which are superior to generic cells with a nice power meter and stuff. Its just that likely this is made in the very same chinese factory as Ebay stuff, so I don't totally get the high price tags. If you made it more like 100$, I'm sure still a healthy profit margin and we'd consider it, but pretty boutique at those prices
  • + 1
 amirazemi yes a few of my group use that same exact light including me, had it for a few years no problems. If i did have a problem i would just buy another.
  • + 1
 Yep. I've been using 4xCree lamps from lt.box.com. Just grab a spreader lens from chain reaction, and it's $40 solution. Not to mention $13 replacement batteries.
  • + 1
 @JRohlik that mount sounds pretty sweet. Care to share?
  • + 1
 @IDHI A few other people have asked as well. In response, I'm in the middle of moving and I haven't a clue where the hard drive is that has that model on it. As soon as I get somewhat settled, I'll post some type of link to the solid model in multiple formats so you can get a machine shop to make for you. Could probably get a couple made out of 6061 for a reasonable cost...
  • + 19
 Very enlightening review
  • + 11
 Definitely had some bright things to say about the X1 and XS.
  • - 3
 Bwahaha! You guys are ridiculous; love it.
  • + 6
 if it aint punny it aint funny Glowing report
  • + 3
 Yes, an illuminating review and all that, but it leaves me a little in the dark about true battery capacity. For real night riding, 2 hours at brightest capacity is cutting it too close. I find I need to run my lights on the next click down to be sure I have good capacity, switching to max brightness only for DH/speed runs -- so the question is, how long does it run and how bright is that?
  • + 2
 I have an X2 and usually ride with just that. As you said I dont use the full power setting except for faster stuff as it is completely unnecessary for climbing etc. I can get up significantly more than two hours like that.
  • + 1
 Thanks amirazemi-look ok-will order.....I commute alot and figure you can never have too many or too brighter lights! Also ordered these 6800 lumen monsters-http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B00F5QJ5UA/ref=pe_385721_37986871_TE_item after reading recent forum on night riding.
It is truly amazing how LED's have revolutionised cycle lights......those days of 400 dollar lights with batteries in water bottles are so last century!
  • + 1
 You won't regret @cosby, but like with every other cheap product, there's rules to follow. Fully charge it before using it the first time, always charge after use, and leaving it sitting around for months of no use/no charge might kill the batteries. Following or not following these steps will decide what kind of costumer you'll be, a super happy one, or a pissed off one...
  • + 10
 The X1 is amazing, I use it while commuting and throwing the beam into the face of cars about to merge into me works great.
  • + 5
 I have a Lightforce dual Cree L2 lamp (1000, 1500, 2000LMN) that cost $15USD with a water proof 4x18650 battery case for $12USD, and a charger for $24USD. So far it has worked wonderfully along with my 1200LMN lid light. Save some money and go with the ebay option.
  • + 1
 links?
  • + 2
 I'm not about to go and spend nearly $600 on lights. Lightforce sounds like the truth, cause its getting dark in WA!
  • + 3
 The details he left out are $50 for four panasonic ncr18650b 3400 mah cells and that the lamp head for $15 doesnt actually produce 2000 lumens.
  • + 2
 In the world of $30-1000 lumen chinese lights, the manufacturers selling pricey lights will really need to offer something special.
www.lightmalls.com/bike-lights-headlamps
  • + 2
 like good beam pattern?
  • + 2
 I have seen a couple of "good" Chinese lamps. My room mate has a $50 Yinding 1500 or 1800 lumen light. One of the better set ups - a Gemini knock off. Well, I can tell you, that it doesn't measure up to the x1 or x2, which both have nicer beam pattern and are both brighter in my opinion. But for $50, you can't go wrong.

Still, I would much rather spend the extra to get a batter with steady output, and a lamp and batter I know are weather sealed and will last.

Gloworm are pretty great. And good service.
  • + 2
 Just keep in mind that China light manufacturer and retailers lie about the lumen output. They give you the number based on the maximum possible lumens of the LEDs driven at max current. To obtain a longer battery life you can't supply max current. The TRUE lumens report through an integrated sphere (lumens measuring device Light and Motion uses) would tell a completely different story.

I have a $30 China light that works OK. But isn't even close to the claimed 2000 lumens. It's along the lines of 700-800.

Also, China lights have shit beam patterns with hot and dead spots. Nobody's beam pattern even comes close to the quality of Light and Motion's. (neither does the price unfortunately.)

Still, hard to beat the price of the China lights. OK light output for CHEAP.
  • + 2
 In the same places(like Amazon) that you find the cheap lights for sale, they often have lenses to change the beam shape. Can't say how they work, haven't tried any.
  • + 1
 Hell even in the cree laboratories the LED's they claim to be using don't achieve the outputs that the chinese light makers claim their lights produce. Re: other lenses... depends on the reflector also... but there is a lense that fits the MJ-808 magicshines (and others using the same housing) that replaces the simple glass with one that's a flood pattern and changes your 10 degree spot to a 10 degree high by 30 degree wide flood beam. I've replaced the lenses in my 808s with the flood ones, but then I usually just set them up as loaner lights now, i've moved onto multi-led lights except on my helmet.
  • + 1
 Correct the qc can be a little spotty but once in a while you get lucky as I have.
  • + 4
 Did I miss something here? I thought I saw a sentence that had the words "more affordable" in them!! Would rather spend the extra few quid on Exposure lights than have these. Also you can get MagicShine lights that are half the price of these and produce the same power.
  • + 3
 You can mount the XS on the bar so that it sets below the stem. This is much cleaner and offers greater protection. Just like the fail on actually showing a picture at night I doubt they took the time to explore all the mounting options as well. Go to MTBR's light shootout and look at what they have there, its a mostly objective test with night time pictures.
  • + 4
 Magic shine and all the other Chinese lights are ok until you see the beam pattern of a Night Rider, Light and Motion. After some scary encounters in the woods at night I just don't trust off brand lights.
  • + 2
 Anyone who is complaining about the price has not seen these lights perform in person. They easily outperform any major competitors' similarly priced options. Ebay lights are always an option but they're quite a gamble and you have to deal with hokey o-ring mounts and questionable (at best) batteries. Gloworm key points are excellent bright, beam patterns, excellent weight, excellent quality batteries, and excellent mounting options. All quality here.
  • + 1
 Its simply not in the books. I understand performance, but the price is well beyond my means, so Chinese competitors it is.
  • + 2
 I've been considering the XS as my only light . It's a very flexible solution.
1. GoPro mounting clips
2. QR bar mount. helmet mount. head band mount. mount it on anything with GoPro clip.
3. generic power connector. It will accept Magic Shine and Gemini batteries.

What I hate is the remote power connector making the helmet look like Borg Assimilation. It also makes it awkward for using off the bike. The other light I'm looking at is the Trail Led XXX.

How about a Pinkbike promo discount code Smile
  • + 2
 I have an X1 that I use as a helmet light along with a Magicshine MJ-872 for the bars. It's my endurance racing and general night riding setup. Love it. I've been left in the dark, literally, by some cheap eBay lights so i'd rather spend the extra money for a product with a company that's backing it.
  • + 2
 "although I struggled to get the Velcro remote switch to stick to the shot-peened finish of my Renthal handlebar"

That's because you didn't use the little plastic surface mount that should have been included with both your lights. It zip ties to your bars and provides a good surface to mount the Velcro sticky tab! You seem to indicate they did not come with yours, but they certainly did come with both my x1 and x2.
  • + 1
 Jiggly battery--get some cheap velcro straps. Shouldn't take up nightriding without them. With the wide variety of bar/stem/control/frame/helmet configurations, one should not expect stock mounting to be perfect every time. Have some cheap velcros handy, and your problems go away.
  • + 1
 Was kind of hoping you would actually test the lights to see if they actually get the lumens they claim otherwise their whole claim of being most powerful to weight and so on is false. Looking forward to reading someone else's review, that actually tests and rides it.
  • + 1
 How about getting a light meter for testing actual lumen out put at a given distance?
I prefer a single unit with no dangling battery for my helmet. Being able to change the light from spot to beam is brilliant! Pun intended.
  • + 2
 reviews.mtbr.com/review-gloworm-xs-2200-lumen-bike-light

Lumen is a measure of how much light comes from the unit. For brightness at any point you should refer to lux.
  • + 1
 could care less if they use candle power. Lights are labeled with the figurative lumens not the actual lite out put. One watt of cree led equals 100 lumens.
  • + 1
 The point was that Gloworm Lights are not figurative - they are actual as measured by an independent source.
  • + 1
 Can you see my point that if PB does a test of light quality for every lite they test you have what is called a scientific control.
An independant source will not help a buyer choose between different companies models.
Im certain every lite company has claims for the lites brightness and battery life.
The idea for PB to test these products is to see if your "claims" are valid.
  • + 1
 I ride at night a lot and once had a $250CA Magicshine light off eBay which had a wired switch... it was awesome but the switch tore off on a low hanging branch on one of my rides and the light was a write off. I am now using another $150CA Magicshine light I purchased off eBay which is much better... lighter, brighter and lasts longer than my first one and without the wired switch which I found totally unnecessary. Just got two more spare lights from Tiny Deal in China for $90CA for both. All lights came as a complete kit and the prices are final, including taxes, shipping and brokerage. Light illumination comparisons are easily done and many manufacturers have them posted on their websites which only makes sense Smile
  • + 1
 i dunno, 360 usd seems like an awful lotta dough to plunk down on one light. i bought a niterider lumina 750 for $120 last year. then i bought another. one on the bar, one on the helmet. both mounts work great, nothing extra to buy later. the helmet mount even works ok on my skate helmet. cheapo chinese units look like winners too...wish i'd known about them sooner. thanks for that amerizami. only prob w/ niterider is that the h-bar clamp only goes to 31.8mm. maybe they start making something to go to 35mm soon. no worries for me though.
  • + 1
 I borrowed a night rider and used it on my 35mm bars. Just had to remove the rubber insert inside the clamp. The screw didn't thread in that far but it was sufficient. The screw had to be backed out entirely and then threaded in once the clamp was around the bars. Not ideal but not as hard as it sounds.
  • + 1
 Pretty sure being manufactured overseas means it is not "in-house production"... also, the most important info for a light review is clearly run time / lumens of each brightness level, not just the brightest and dimmest. Plus, only marginally cheaper than light in motion, NIterider, etc. and has external battery pack for both lights. And who the hell needs almost 3000 lumens?
  • + 3
 @mr.Aston
If you stuff your battery pack in a piece of old
Innertube and make some slits for the straps it
Will stay more secure on your frame.
  • + 1
 I like the lights very much, but I would like to add an observation, or idea for the or any producer, if anybody reads here. Wherever a light is attached, a separate and ergonomic switch attached to handlebars is a very good idea. Just before a dark section, I ride with one hand in control only. The switch could be attachable to anything, even to the very grip, just under rider's finger by having some zip eyes in it. The switch can be completely remote and seperately powered by a cr2032 3V battery and it would perform for years (approx. 5 in my opinion).
  • + 1
 Night riding is the only time i really get a chance to ride, this includes down hill. I'm running 2 x AY UP lights on my helmet and 2 Moon lights on the handle bars. It basically turns night into day
  • + 1
 The extra money is worth it. I've been on rides with buddies that have the Cheap Chinese EBay lights. Seems like they spent most of the time getting them to work. I've got a Niterider that's on 8 seasons.
  • + 4
 "Won't break the bank" hmm
  • + 0
 The light clamp feels too massive around bars and still vulnerable if it ever happens for the bike to land upside down. The best thing to design with a bike lamp is a integrated to the light envelope clamp and having it vertically and horisontally adjustable. Light is often needed more on right or more on left side, depending on situation. Sometimes it changes during one night ride, so a tool free and hand intuitive solution would be appreciated.
  • + 1
 My mate runs these and I must admit I was impressed with the tidy solutions for clamping on both units . The helmet light is also very light and compact thus preventing you from looking like a dick
  • + 0
 LED lights are fine for road bikes and helmet but the light is too white, causing them to washout color and details.

That make LED lighting alone very poor for mountain biking.

I would take a good old halogen on the handlebars with the three pound battery under my seat over even the glorious "Magicshine" any day.
  • + 0
 Does anyone know a strong light (2000lm+) with relatively focused beam? I have 3000lm wide light but it barely does a better job in lighting ahead than cheapest 900lm magic shine with narrow beam. Otherwise I'll just buy two magicshines Big Grin
  • + 1
 what amirazemi said. I have the same one.
  • + 1
 There are some great reviews on these lights on MTBR. The output is as claimed and they use top shelf Cree LEDs......and they are designed in New Zealand.
  • + 1
 Anyone have good suggestions for a good and cheap 1000-2000lmn headlamp? This headlamp doesn't have enough power if you are just running the one light
  • + 3
 The gloworm X2 is a good middle ground at 1500 and plenty bright enough.
  • - 1
 Good stuff isn't cheap and cheap stuff isn't good
  • + 1
 trust me it's good!
  • + 2
 I've got the X1 on my helmet and it's a beauty. Gonna get an X2 for the bars too.
  • + 3
 Do they clamp to a 35mm bar?
  • + 1
 its a 4 x panasonic battery pack for the big one, they are just run 2x parallel and 2 serial.
  • + 2
 You seem like a bright man, Mr. Aston
  • + 1
 oh , looking for something better, check out the professional grade BL200X, youtube link: youtu.be/aL6DOSyFXXE
  • + 2
 还是中国的飞锐好!
  • + 4
 ComOn guys are u really downvoting him cuz its Chinese?
  • + 2
 why r u know Chinese?
  • + 1
 you can get pretty good lights off amazon for 20 bucks each...1200 lumens.
  • + 1
 first to complain about the price
  • + 1
 This kind of bank must be the Fort Knox kind of unbreakable !
  • + 1
 Anybody know is Lezyne Mega Drive any good?
  • + 2
 Nice stem
  • + 1
 Man, I noticed this also! Very interesting stem!

How it works? What is the model name ?
Who knows, guys ?
Give me the link, please!
  • + 2
 Already have found.
  • + 1
 I ride this stem. Works great and looks perfect www.lamacycles.com/en/ns-bikes/stems/ns-magneto-stem
  • + 1
 Oh yeah. Bike light without a single night photo... seems legit.
  • + 0
 Worlds most expensive flashlight... thanks, but no thanks! Tired of the biking community being taken advantage of!
  • + 0
 I've been in the dark about this, thanks for the illuminating review.
  • + 1
 What a glowing review Smile
  • + 0
 I don't understand how you can ride at night with light on bar!?
  • - 1
 If they use Cree lights why not just buy Cree? Is toggling worth the extra $?
  • + 10
 Cree doesn't make light systems, they make the LED's themselves... its up other manufacturers to turn their LED's into finished products.
  • + 6
 And pretty much every light on the market uses Cree led's.
  • + 0
 suns down guns down.
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