Greg Minnaar's Broken Santa Cruz V10 - Val di Sole DH World Cup 2017

Aug 25, 2017
by Mike Levy  
The Val di Sole World Cup track has a well-deserved reputation for being a ruthless, rough, and unrelenting course that punishes mistakes like no other, with the possible exception of Fort William. That's the case for mere mortals like us, but the line between distinction and disaster is impossibly narrow when you're traveling at the speed of a top World Cup racer, something that they're all too familiar with.






bigquotesWhen you hit a post at mach speed, something has to give. Honestly, we're just glad that it wasn't Greg that broke Don Palermini - North American Marketing Manager, Santa Cruz

Santa Cruz's Greg Minnaar had an eventful practice in Italy, with reports from the side of the track saying that a massive crash sent his V10 flying through the air - without him on it - and into a post. The result, which can be seen the video above (uploaded to YouTube by Claudio Paselli), was a broken front triangle and Minnaar doing his best to get away from the cameras post haste. The Syndicate rider is known as the GOAT for a reason, though, with his mechanic, Jason Marsh, building up brand new race bike from scratch in just 45 minutes that Greg went on to qualify in second spot aboard... on his first run on the fresh bike. That's how you turn a bad morning around, folks.


375 Comments

  • + 508
 They put a coat over it like it was a dead body or something.
  • + 88
 :-D
Off to the glue factory...

Or maybe the glue factory was to blame... Carbon and all...
  • + 141
 Blanket of shame.
  • + 114
 Wouldn't you? I'd hold a funeral.
  • + 29
 Hahaha. I guess PB delayed putting it up so Santa Cruz could comment. It must have been going at a hell of a speed to fracture so cleanly on two tubes though.
  • + 40
 #longlivegregs29erforever
  • + 18
 @jeszkey: ahhh the ol' blanket of shame. under your bed next to your hustler mag (or nat geo) and bottle of baby oil.
  • + 9
 A bit of american tape, and all ready for tmrw ! wooo
  • - 13
flag endurocat (Aug 25, 2017 at 11:29) (Below Threshold)
 Great advertisement for Santa Cruz.
  • + 2
 @foxphotog companies don't really want other people or engineers looking inside of their carbon tubes...yeah its like an autopsy
  • + 3
 @foxphotog it was...rip Santa....
  • + 73
 @twozerosix: never heard of benchmarking? Go to any company that has competitors and they will have a room full of the opposition's goods. They don't need to go scratching through pinkbike videos to work out what each other is doing!
  • + 24
 @twozerosix: erm, many manufacturers actually show cut outs of their frames on various expos. And everyone can see bubbles and wrinkles... for some reason they think it's something to be proud of...
  • + 7
 @WAKIdesigns: Smile I'm glad someone else knows how the world works
  • + 7
 @robhill: Yeah but this is gregs bike we're on about. More than likely his frame is different (even if just marginally) from the ones they sell.
  • + 39
 Is the bike ok?
  • + 3
 @robhill: I was going to say the same thing. They could just buy a V10 and cut it open, which like you pointed out I'm sure they already do.
  • - 23
flag RollinFoSho (Aug 25, 2017 at 12:17) (Below Threshold)
 You could hear his frame snap before it sent him crashing down. Scary!
  • - 16
flag Monacchesi (Aug 25, 2017 at 12:19) (Below Threshold)
 Maybe worth the price of a human, lol.
  • + 3
 @drivereight: I'm sorry but it didn't make it.
  • + 11
 @RollinFoSho: stop smoking!. it was clearly snapped by the post and the weight of his legs. and that post was solid as an oak. any frame would not have been sound to ride after that
  • + 6
 That's what you call a blanket statement!
  • + 8
 Ok, I'm not saying that his frame snapped in half before he crashed but it sounded like something snapped....right at 1:59. Maybe it was just something hitting the spokes?
  • + 3
 The trail here in val di sole is BRUTAL....UNFORGIVING and can BREAK even the hardest of frames
  • + 1
 Ya looks rough, these riders are animals!
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flag twozerosix (Aug 25, 2017 at 13:45) (Below Threshold)
 @robhill: sure, but seeing how stuff breaks in the real world vs a test bench is valuable info, and no telling if a Minnaar lay-up schedule is similar or different than stock. Plus - testing costs money and resources, and other companies need to prioritize their time testing their own products, not the dozen or so other manufacturers models.
  • + 1
 @metong: thanks for the commentary.
  • + 0
 @twozerosix: Yeah cause its impossible for "companies" to go out , buy their competitor best frame, cut it and see how its made ...lol insert face palm
  • + 8
 Lol. It's gonna get shipped back to Santa Cruz and some engineer is gonna be all like: media.giphy.com/media/uema5crNU5tHG/200w.gif
  • + 2
 @COnovicerider: youre welcome. Walked it today and saw some changes. It gives me chills how the bike sounds hitting the rocks
  • + 93
 What do you get when you break a V10 in half? Two V5s.



....I'll walk myself out.
  • + 0
 @metong: insane stuff!
  • + 1
 RIP Greg's bike.
  • - 2
 @Jack-McLovin: right. Custom race bikes won't be layed up as strong as customer bikes. Race bikes need to be strong enough to last a race. Customer bikes strong enough to last a lifetime.
  • + 4
 @RollinFoSho: I was thinking something more was up as well. The ping sound is rim/wheel but if you look at his front wheel just before it washes out and his foot goes down it seems as if there is a burst of energy as if frame partially snapped causing release of energy and the post finished it off. Hard to say for sure. He came into the berm hauling almost like hitting a wall.
  • + 12
 @Mojo348: "Customer bikes strong enough to last a lifetime." So, 4 or 5 years.
  • + 5
 @RollinFoSho: Don't know why you're being voted down so much. You are absolutely right about the fact that the frame clearly broke before the crash. Not in half, but it broke. You can actually see how the rear triangle is wobbling and curling around that tree before the top or downtube even crack. If you're looking close enough you even see the wheel laying sideways in the corner and locking up, what ultimately caused the crash.
  • + 9
 did he just crack his frame, walk it off and sign an autograph?
  • + 1
 @mazze: "clearly". I don't know what words do you use when something is as clear as the fact that your username has two Z in it. There is nothing clear about this footage.
  • + 4
 Wouldnt have happened on 27.5 wheels
Everytime I see GOAT typed I think of the movie "Waiting.."
  • + 2
 @RollinFoSho:

Yeah definitely a "plinking" sound that sounded like spokes to me. Wonder if the front wheel went gonzo over those rocks and that's what sent Greg down?
  • + 1
 @Mojo348: Umm, I doubt that very much. Having the worlds best ride a weaker frame makes little sense, plus would increase probability of snapped frames which equals bad publicity.
I'm just saying the pro's don't use all the same equipment we use. Suspension being the main component that is totally different to what we can buy.
  • + 1
 @WAKIdesigns: maybe you should have your eyes checked out if you can't see how the backend curls around that tree without even touching it... I really appreciate you giving your opinion on everyone and everything, but I'm definitely not going to start an argument with you, since that is #clearly the worst decision anyone can make in the history of PB.
  • + 3
 @Mojo348: Exactly. I got super down voted for it, but it's true. Same was true with the alloy bikes. I had one of Lopes's back up slalom bikes from years ago. Super light frame, drilled out inner rim walls, etc.
  • + 1
 @mazze: Broke my carbon frame the other day, that unmistakable firecracker bang right on impact with the post. Sounded identical.
  • + 1
 @WAKIdesigns: DONT ENCOURAGE THE DESIGNERS LOL
  • + 3
 @WAKIdesigns: the comment section instigator
  • + 9
 @mazze: Sorry, not seeing it. Front wheel washes, tucks, then finds grip while it's tucked and causes flip, frame cracks on impact with post.
  • + 9
 @ceecee: thanks for bringing a bit of sanity.

To everybody talking about flex: go watch literally any slow-mo video of a strong rider on any bike and see what the wheels do. They flop around all over the place. Stick your foot on your bottom bracket and push and see if you can't deflect your frame harmlessly a few inches. Bikes flex by design SO THAT stuff like this doesn't happen more often.
  • + 3
 @enrico650: actually it is great advertising for Santa Cruz. They have one of the fastest riders in the game at the moment that had a mechanical. Such a bad mechanical that he had to have an entirely new bike built, then he went on to qualify second. Now there are 300+ comments about it.
  • + 1
 @thejake: Will see tomorrow
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 @metong: cool story
  • + 1
 I blame hidden speed-holes. I'm glad Greg got up and still qualified second but he'll be sore tomorrow. What a season- nothing can be taken for granted.
  • + 2
 Wow, that second video wasn't up to begin with.

Definitely cracks on impact not before. And the frame itself is travelling really fast when it hits the tree, it's been slingshot above Greg like a fking trebuchet.

Could easily be 30mph but he main thing is that all the bike momentum and a good % of greg's momentum goes straight at that tree!
  • + 1
 @dirtworks911: I'd be 2 I5s
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 @ceecee: Exactly! I watched the zoomed in vid from Ben Cathro at 1/4 speed (Youtube option) and you can clearly see that after that last huck, the front wheel pushed over the edge of a dusty rock then tucked and chucked him off!

I posited this elsewhere so I'll do it again here.... Perhaps a steering damper might have stopped the tuck from happening! That went from push to tuck so fast it was violent!
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  • + 11
 @Dylanmurray69420: ladies and gentlemen, I give you the Donald Trump of pinkbike.
  • + 3
 @twozerosix: come on now... The layup. The carbon bits of this are slapped out of the same mould in Taiwan as all the rest!
  • + 0
 Crack Minnaar....
  • + 1
 Couldn't other companies/engineers purchase a Santacruz off the shelf and cut it up to do an ''Autopsy"?? Just saying it's possible right. Imagine if his femur or back would have hit that Post, he got lucky on that one.
  • + 3
 Notice Greg sign a autograph for that kid during that. GOAT!!!!
  • + 4
 @dirtworks911:

As a car guy... 2 Inline 5s
  • + 1
 Oh , well
  • + 2
 @jmd2drsrbtrrthn4: As an 850R owner, I'm down with inline 5's!
  • + 2
 @robhill: you know this ... how?
  • + 0
 Tough weekend for Santa Cruz ,, predicting 35% drop in company stock after that type of break. Good time to buy low$$$$$$
  • + 0
 @RollinFoSho: He hit a trail marker post , that,s what snapped the frame .
  • + 0
 i know. silly.
  • + 1
 @Keit: Im pretty sure an 08 flatline would have made it out unscathed
  • + 0
 @mhoshal: i should hope so, it weighed 40 f*ckin pounds!!
  • + 1
 @mhoshal: a flatline you say. doubtful but with slim chance as that was a tank. but then add the weight to the slingshot affect. plus would you have made it that far? that thing ate bearings like cornflakes. Joke aside; I have wrapped three frames around trees and all of them were warped (Big Hit, Orange Patriot, Nukeproof Scalp)
  • + 2
 @BDKR: yeah buddy!
  • + 0
 @therealtylerdurden: mine's about 46lbs lol it's actually 2lbs heavier then my 04 RMX but It rides so good lol
  • + 0
 @mhoshal: holy shit lol
  • + 227
 Lets just cover all the PB hate in one comment:

Blah Blah Carbon Sucks. The aluminum frame wouldn't even have a scratch.

29" suck, this is obviously why the frame split when it hit a solid wooden post going what I am assuming is around 30 MPH.

#26aintdead

Something about carbon being an expensive gimmick.

Does that about cover it?

In all seriousness though, Glad Minnaar walked away from this, the crash looked brutal.
  • + 97
 Covered it all, I think.
  • + 53
 If it was an alloy frame at that speed,you would most likely still be unwrapping it from the post.
  • - 104
flag Robbyc78 (Aug 25, 2017 at 11:32) (Below Threshold)
 30mph at impact not a fucking chance and 29ers do suck. Vergier went back 27.5 because he knows and carbon simply is more brittle and more likely to crack over aluminum.
  • + 102
 No puns? Okay, I'll have a crack...

I for one am not gonna speculate on the cause of the break. I'll wait for the post mortem.

I wonder how this will impact V10 29 vs. 27.5 frame sales, will they be evenly split?

This is what happens when you run the Maxxis Tomahawk.
  • - 9
flag WaterBear (Aug 25, 2017 at 11:45) (Below Threshold)
 I'm not a materials scientist. I don't have exact data at hand. My guess? When an ALU frame fails it will most likely fail at the welds. If you molded the entire bike from one piece of aluminum? It will fail along some microscopic flaw that formed during the manufacturing process. If you are a demi god and you manufactured it without microscopic flaws? Hold on, let me e-mail my MSE buddy.
  • + 15
 @NoahColorado: *slow clap*
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 @mikelevy: Ahh missed out the looks like a session!
  • + 21
 You forgot clipless. If he was wearing flats he would have put his foot out (flat out, of course) and drifted the turn without even crashing in the first place
  • - 5
flag cunning-linguist (Aug 25, 2017 at 12:18) (Below Threshold)
 @hamncheez: yeah man, he's only the best of all time, what does he know :-) hahahaha! Lols

Let's teach him a lesson!
  • + 22
 You would have never seen a Cromo frame break like that. Steel is Real.
  • + 11
 @fartymarty: nope it would look like a ubolt instead.
  • + 8
 Broke like a Session...
  • + 8
 You forgot to make fun of dentists being able to afford carbon fiber. I'd just like to point out that anyone who does this looks incredibly stupid.
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flag reqq (Aug 25, 2017 at 13:43) (Below Threshold)
 You think he would have gone that fast on a 26 or the wheels carried same inertia?

This is 29ers 100% fault.

This also show why 29ers are scary for amateurs, it gives you false confident, you will carry much higher speed then you should on hard terrain and when you then crash at that increased speed you're done.

29 = less fun & more dangerous.
  • + 18
 @reqq: Wait, are you really arguing that 29ers are faster and therefore less fun? Loic Burni, is that you?
  • + 3
 @reqq: Really? Wow... Did you actually watch that crash video! He was in a g-out spot, not going super fast, AND the frame hit the poll broadsided WITH all Minnaar's leg leverage against the poll as if he was swinging a bat. So yeah, totally the wheel size fault.
  • + 1
 ....
  • + 4
 Plus something about how specialized/trek suck even more and their frames would break into at least 5 parts and their lawyers would suck you dry
  • + 8
 I would happily trade a broken frame to be able to walk away from a crash like that.

Big picture: Minnaar could have broken bones, etc.

Instead, it looks like he's relatively okay, and and we get to see the crazy world cup battle for the overall play out this weekend.
  • + 3
 Glad he walked away. Kids, this is why you wear a full-body of pads/gloves/&helmet. Forget "cool"...live to ride another day.
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 @NoahColorado: give me a break, keep this up and I'll snap.
This is what happens when you are going for broke,
  • + 4
 @NoahColorado: Man,you don't do puns by half!
  • + 1
 @Tearsforgears: broke like a Session owner. Lol
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 Dude, Minnaar after crashing hard, snapping his bike in half and limping on his ankle still has time to sign a kids autograph. What a stud!
  • + 60
 And qualify second still.
  • + 40
 THIS! This is why he's the GOAT!!
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 For me, this is the most important part of the video. These guys replace their frames almost every round because they have the ability to destroy a bike in a weekend and as you can see one well placed crash can separate a bike in 2. With people looking on and cameras rolling, Greg kept his head, didn't freak out, and calmly moved his bike to the side to clear the trail. I would have been chucking each side onto separate sides not caring where they landed and then storm off to the tent. But then on top of it all he has no other instinct then to say yes to an admiring kid who wants an autograph. Talk about seeing the forest for the trees. That gesture alone has me cheering him on this week!
  • + 8
 @apartmentwhale: this is why he is man crush material...
  • + 7
 Didn't see he gave an autograph until I read your comment. This dude is a hero!
  • + 4
 Chuck Norris's legs spontaneously broke in half when they caught a fleeting glimpse of Minaar's legs.
  • + 2
 Awesome guy. Unbelievable that he did not injure himself on that crash. Are Pro-racers wrists like unbreakable or something?
  • - 2
 Didn't you hear? He was in a bad mood after Mont St Anne which means he is a person worse than Hitler. Not quite as bad as Stalin though...but still just evil to the core.
  • + 89
 Dude he literally just snaps his bike in half and still signs an autograph for a kid. Come on!
  • + 53
 Go to a World Cup race.

Witness the intense velocity that the top 20 riders can produce.

Then, stop feeling the need to talk shit on the internet about their bikes, wheel sizes, frame materials as they are all at a level you will never, ever achieve, even in your wildest fantasies about going fast or sending it, etc., etc., etc.

One race run = years of your best attempts at riding hard and fast.
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 ????yup
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 Nailed it! Big Grin
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 Can't agree more. I saw them in the down pour at MSA few weeks ago and even in those conditions it's absolute mind blowing speeds.
  • + 1
 Speak for yourself punter.
  • + 5
 @jflb: Keep racing Strava, jabroni.
  • + 52
 When an F1 car crashes does it break? Or just dust itself off and continue to win the race?
  • + 40
 Exactly. Everything can break, especially at this level.
  • + 20
 F1 cars disintegrate.
  • + 12
 @mrbabcock: yes, apart from the monocoque which is almost indestructible.
  • + 21
 That's why I always say they should make F1 cars out of steel, man. #steelisreal
  • + 4
 @fraktiv: but that's for driver safety not for continuing use after a crash. Right? I don't know I'm not a fan or expert.
  • + 2
 f1s are designed to explode. explosion takes energy away lessening the impact on the driver.
  • + 37
 Almost all bikes would fail or break in that type of crash.....I am sure the "Santa Cruz sucks" or "29"ers fault" will ensue
  • + 23
 I actually feel sorry for Greg, he took enough completely underserved crap for that bike this year and now this
  • + 7
 You, sir, are correct! But tell that to all the intellectually challenged c*nts sharing their precious ”knowledgeable” opinions with us tonight! Wink
  • + 8
 No bike would withstand a sideways blow on a post like that!
  • + 5
 Looks to me that something broke first that thew him off, it's only a sound off hitting a post which SC are happy to do in their test lab video so it wasn't to blame.
  • - 25
flag bbachmei (Aug 25, 2017 at 11:23) (Below Threshold)
 Maybe...but it's still pretty crazy to think your $10,000 bike could brake in half like that on a crash. It would be like if a top pro broke their dirt bike in half at a race. I know totally differ sport but still I think DH bikes could be a bit stronger.
  • - 19
flag bman33 (Aug 25, 2017 at 11:32) (Below Threshold)
 @bbachmei: Keep in mind, most pros race lightened up versions of bikes. The consumer versions are a bite beefier in many cases.
  • + 3
 @bat-fastard: at around 0:03/0:04 in the FB vid, and again the slow-mo of the same vid, you can just about make out his front wheel washing out to the right.

So while I initially thought SC was BSing about the post, it would seem they are not given the distinct visual evidence his front wheel washed causing the crash.
  • + 12
 @WAKIdesigns: I feel sorry for Jason Marsh. Still better than if it were the one-off special paintjob world champs bike. Still impressive he could build a new one (to Gregs standards) in 45 minutes. It may take me that long toget that internal cable routing sorted.
  • + 4
 It was clearly Greg's bike's way of revolting for having to live in the same pits with Loris' 27.5...
  • + 1
 @Kapricorn: Yeah, I bet Greg was just a smidge too far inside there and at the speed he hit that being off line a tad isn't going to go well.
  • + 1
 @Kapricorn: but did the front triangle go causing the front wheel to wash, seams a bit of lame bit of track to come off. Looks like back wheel was at different angle to front to me when he came off but hard to see.
  • + 1
 @bat-fastard: that's what I thought at first. watch the zoomed slow-mo. He tucked the front wheel.
  • - 12
flag RollinFoSho (Aug 25, 2017 at 12:23) (Below Threshold)
 You can hear the frame snap right before it sends him to the ground.
  • + 1
 Ok, not saying that his bike snapped in half before he crashed. But you can hear something that sounds like a snap right at 1:59. Maybe it was just something hitting his spokes? Interesting sound at 1:59 tho.
  • + 3
 @RollinFoSho: Is this all that you're gonna say the rest of your life, from now on? Are you sure the Illuminati weren't behind this? Wink
  • - 2
 ha ya, big conspiracy ! watch and listen video, judge for yourself.
  • + 0
 @cartoon: Unless is poorly designed
  • + 0
 That's a horrible place for a metal post. It should not have been there. Glad he walked away from that one. Minaar crashes like the GOAT as well.
  • + 0
 @bat-fastard: I agree. Angle looked off, and coincidentally right after the high pitches popping noise.
  • + 1
 but in slow mo it does look like there is no break before post.....
  • + 37
 That mechanic is an absolute legend
  • + 18
 No doubt the GOAT, qualifying second after a digger like that!
  • + 13
 I can appreciate the intentions of the guy trying to cover the bike with his jacket but come on, the frame broke in half. There's no hiding that.
  • + 1
 No but there are sharp bits of carbon stick out...
  • + 27
 When free beer in the Syndicate pits is more important than being a journalist.
  • + 6
 no way. it's hard to tell it's broken. he could totally be testing a super short wheelbase Big Grin
  • + 10
 Glad to see him walk away from this. Here's my question, if this was to happen to us mere mortals/unsponsored riders would Santa Cruz warranty the frame break? I mean it didn't break underneath him, it broke hitting that post. I'm guessing you'd need a pretty good story to get them to send you a new one. Maybe not, I don't know. But that's why I'm asking. Thanks pinkbikers
  • + 20
 Smashing your bike into something like that at race-pace likely wouldn't be covered by ANY bike manufacturer's warranty—nor should it. It's not like the break was caused by a manufacturing or design defect. Some manufacturers might extend a crash replacement though.
  • + 4
 The answer is that Santa Cruz won't return your calls or emails. You will then go to a local shop who will tell you that unfortunately obvious crash damage isn't covered but you can buy a new frame for full retail plus 200$ to swap your parts over.
  • + 6
 No because warranty doesn't cover crashes?
  • + 19
 Right from their site:

No-Fault Replacement

Santa Cruz Bicycles will make replacement frame parts available to the original owner at a minimal charge in the event of a crash or other non-warranty situation for the life of the bike.

Also, especially since they were bought by Pon Holdings, SC has become incredibly responsive. I've gotten same day responses to emails etc.
  • + 3
 @Slice-n-dicedh It is uncommon nowadays for bike manufacturers to do free crash replacements. It used to be like that with some brands (like Planet X when they used to be about trials and dirt jumping instead of road cycling) but it got clearly abused. So nowadays some only do crash replacement in the sense that they'll fix-or replace your component at a discounted price. But not for free anymore. If you happen to receive your new frame like this right out of the box it is usually recommended to inform the seller about the damage. It could be manufacture error (though it is unlikely this would pass QC), transport damage or it isn't new but has been ridden before by a certain goat.
  • + 1
 @JustBuyIt: What their site says and what actually happens are two very different things.

Hell, what happened in your experience and what happens for most people are even very different things.

This applies to pretty much all manufacturers also. Furthermore "life of the bike" does not mean what it sounds like it means.
  • + 6
 Had to warranty twice with SC over the past decade, once my fault and once their flaw. Both occasions were the same, a bit draggy on the email and RMA but overall they were really good with coverage and the end result was completely positive. Show some respect and you'll get it back.
  • + 5
 Personal experience:
Santa Cruz will replace parts/whole frame (with a newer version if yours is discontinued) at cost price, I.e. You pay what it costs them.
Trek will replace the frame for nothing (with a newer version if yours is discontinued), and throw in a freebie for the inconvenience.
Scott will replace the frame for nothing (with a newer version if yours is discontinued) if it is a known defect.
Yeti will replace the part for nothing, with a new beefier version, as the original was obviously flawed.
Giant will keep replacing the part that broke for nothing, but it will keep on breaking. Repeat x3...
  • + 3
 And Canyon will replace for nothing, but you have the aggravation and cost of packaging and sending it back.
  • + 14
 m.youtube.com/watch?v=3dzEJH8H7BI

Frame by frame on cathrovision
  • + 2
 Curious if Redbull steals this clip for the their video or not...
  • + 4
 People will still say it snapped before it hit the post
  • + 3
 @Medacus: to be honest I thought it had till I saw this.

@pulDag I believe and to pharaphrase all your media is redbulls
  • + 2
 @stooky: I did as well until I watched it the big screen, then I seen Ben's video which makes it absolutely clear
  • + 0
 I think his top tube flexed and shifted his weight on the g-out causing the ensuing front wash & carnage. Doesn't seem like Minnaar to make a mistake like that. The bike was still in one piece once it hit the post but I think the top tube deformed before and the tree finished that and subsequently the downtube once his body weight pushed on the back wheel. In my expert video analysis lol(I got nothing against SC or any stake for that matter). Either way, the important part is he still some how managed to get his head right and score 40 valuable points. Total beast mode.
  • + 8
 I'm just glad it was Cathro that caught the full incident, that dude deserves more subscribers on youtube for the quality analysis he's putting out. I'm disappointed when his videos are only 20 minutes because I want more
  • + 9
 Two thoughts. One is why is that pole unpadded if it's clearly that secure. They put padding on trees which won't move this should be padded two. Two this says nothing about the strength of carbon. When they build a frame is about strength in the direction forces will happen, not sure slamming the bike frame across a pole sideways is something that they built the bike to withstand.
  • + 4
 While I'm not a fan of carbon wheels (because of it's failure mode), I am a fan of carbon frames because the frame itself is far less likely to see a catastrophic failure as such.

That said, I agree completely! The forces that destroyed this frame came from a direction the bike wasn't designed to operate in. It could be argued however that one would still want the frame strong enough to take these kind of hits simply as a matter of investment protection.

Which takes us right to the conversation and comments in the story about Cesar Rojo's Unno bikes. In particular, fiber direction and weave.

I'll add that I wonder if a steering damper (like on a motorcycle) might have slowed down the rate at which he went from push to tuck and wound up on the ground.
  • - 1
 @BDKR: carbon frames snap.. catastrophic failure that is. Alu frames will most probably bent before the break. If you choose Carbon cause you think it's stronger think again. Carbon is a high end material that gives a great riding feeling, and has high twisting resistance. On the other hand it cannot withstand hits and crashes the way an alu frame will. Carbon is a race specific material that does not mean it can stand crashes. Furthermore an impact with a sharp rock = most likely a broken carbon frame and an alu frame with a small dent
  • + 4
 @nickrxt: I'm not sure you actually understood what I wrote.

1) I prefer ally due to it's failure mode

2) I'm OK with carbon frames because to be frank I'm not likely to hammering on at the rate these guys are

But since this isn't about my choices or ally vs carbon, I'll try to reiterate the main points from my last point more clearly.

1) We are guessing that the frame was primarily designed to deal with longitudinal forces. That's why a sharp and brutal perpendicular hit destroyed the frame. It could be made to deal with these kinds of hits, but at what cost? Does the weight go up? Does the production time increase? Do the kinds of strikes we saw in this video happen enough to warrant it?

2) My second "assertion" was that perhaps a steering damper might have stopped the front wheel from tucking and maybe given him a chance to slap down his left foot and arrest the pushing front wheel.
  • + 3
 @nickrxt: My guess is in that particular scenario, the aluminum would have torn. The tubes are drawn so thin in that section, I think aluminum tubes would have sheared/teared. Just my guess/opinion though. For me it's a toss up. I prefer carbon how it doesn't dent in day to day riding with flying rocks and leaning the bike against things, compared to aluminum. Carbon has been a great material in bikes. But aluminum is very good, and certainly less expensive. I'm just glad Greg Minnaar didn't go sideways against that post!
  • - 6
flag kieran (Aug 25, 2017 at 11:03) (Below Threshold)
 Holy S. Looks like it must of failed before the post strike? Hardly a 4x4 timber cemented into the ground.
  • + 6
 Holy flying crap! He was carrying some speed... I thought that it was a developing fracture but that would kill even a 26" Iron Horse Sunday.
  • + 11
 The slow mo video shows it breaking as it strikes the post - it looks like a pretty well embedded round fence type post. Given the way it struck on the side - and the speed he was going it is unlikely a recent aluminum frame would have survived...may not be in 2 pieces but it would be hard to ride a bike with 2 wheels at right angles to each other!
  • + 0
 @WAKIdesigns: Yup. I don't think its the post though. More to do with Greg's legs and the rock underneath the back of the frame.
  • + 5
 Looks like the damage started from the fork twisting into the frame which could have caused delamination in the carbon which then completed failed once the post took over.
  • - 1
 @kieran: looks like the worse scenario happened. High speed, handlebar get stucked on the ground, hit a tree and greg's legs put some preassure in the rear while rolling.

Even a 5k Unno would break in that situation.
  • - 13
flag TheRaven Plus (Aug 25, 2017 at 11:40) (Below Threshold)
 @Nathan6209: Yes...the damage occurred when he landed off that last rock, in slow-mo you can see that the camber between the front and rear wheels is way off. It looks like the way the front wheel landed kinda pushed the fork under the front of the frame, which probably partially cracked the front triangle, and then the bike happened to hit that unassuming post at just the right angle to finish the job.

No way that that (otherwise intact) frame breaks like that from hitting that post that way. The post would have broken first.
  • + 12
 @TheRaven: A dude broke the top tube of my friends Remedy 9.9 RSL. By landing on it, at low speed. With his head... so yes, that post could break that frame. I could not give a flying sht what broke this frame though, I will not perform investigatory journalism of likes of Alex Jones. Any frame can fail any time. Especially under a World Cup racer. Especially on Val DI Sole track. The only surprising thing is that it happens so rarely on camera...
  • - 8
flag Stanley-w (Aug 25, 2017 at 11:50) (Below Threshold)
 @TheRaven: Agree, lamination probably happened before the impact on the pole. It looks like when impact happened hardly any of Minnaar's body weight is still on the bike. On the other hand, when the handle bar digged into the ground the bike must have helped him breaking the fall. Well at least we now know enve handle bar is really trust worthy.
  • + 2
 @Stanley-w: yes lamination definitely happened before the impact... Big Grin And yes ENVE bars are legit. Try that with Tune bar, 800mm, 110g. I have no clue how can they sleep at night selling that.
  • + 3
 You can see it zoomed in here on the original video from Ben Cathro www.youtube.com/watch?v=3dzEJH8H7BI
  • + 7
 Oh boy. Let the theories fly and que the popcorn. I doubt theres a single dh bike in existence that would survive that impact. Metalic or plastic. That was a direct hit at speed to the edge of a square post. Might as well have been a chopping block. Glad it wasn't Gregs leg.
  • + 11
 People look as if they witnessed a public execution.
  • + 7
 Here's to the bright bulbs who think a frame breakage by a WC racer slamming his SC bike across a wooden post correlates to said company's "frame warranty".

The bike industry should end all warranty outside of manufacturing defects, and stop using it as a sales tool when 99.9% of broken stuff is the rider's fault/stupidity. Who do you think pays in the end for "lifetime warranties"?
  • - 1
 Dude... what you describe is the exact way how insurance company works. If you see a problem with that, then good luck mate. I will gladly pay for insurance on my cars even if I never get into an accident. Because if I would get into an accident out of my fault, without any insurance, oh well, I would be fkd for real.
  • + 0
 @WAKIdesigns: Can you imagine if car manufacturers embedded the insurance costs of YOUR car's replacement every time you accidently wrap it around a pole, driving beyond your skill level (nevermind the injuring/killing yourself and others). The analogy doesn't work.

Lifetime frame warranty in the bike industry is a joke that riders ultimately pay a lot of money for, and it leads to people believing that one's bike should withstand any sort of abuse, including hitting a post at 30mph. It was invented to create the false belief that brand A is stronger/better than brand B, and the whole industry followed suit so as to not be outsold. Once you add in the discretionary nature of "warranty" you're pretty much paying extra for nothing.
  • - 1
 @WAKIdesigns: *embedded the insurance costs of ALL cars' replacement, including your own
  • - 5
flag WAKIdesigns (Aug 25, 2017 at 12:58) (Below Threshold)
 @PinkyScar: you are preaching to a wrong person, I believe mountain bikes should cost double what they do today.
  • - 1
 @WAKIdesigns: And cars as well then?
  • - 1
 @PinkyScar if I must. I know exactly how much it costs to make an Antidote and Unno kind of frame in Europe. I assure you they don't account much for warranty returns when setting up the price. Then I have a good assumption how much does it cost to make a V10 vs Unno. And how many units of each kind come out of each mold per company. You get that " insurance" with those warranty replacements in that dramatic price difference and quite a lot more. The costs of Warranty replacements are nothing to paying for running a world cup team, or organizing promo camp for journos. Take 30-50 journos pay their flights (from all over the world) accomodation food, shuttles - and you have a problem with producing 10% more frames where each costs you 500$ or less? And some shops will gladly buy your surplus after 4 years?

Well,if you want to be angry fo spending too much on overheads of frame producer, preach for minimizing their marketing expenditure
  • + 0
 @WAKIdesigns: Bikes are a commodity, as much as we all pretend otherwise. At least these expensive recreation toys are not subsidized by governments and then heavily taxed, as are cars. You're suggesting bikes are undervalued? If people pay double for their bikes, what are they getting for all that extra dough? Made in (insert patriotic non-Asian country here)? Better work conditions for workers in factories? Unionized factories and mechanics? Lifetime free replacements, even if most hit the lift access dh runs 2 days a year? Geometry guaranteed to never go out if style? All of the above?
  • - 1
 @PinkyScar: what I mean with double price is that a bike like V10 or sWorks, Yeti SB5.5 ought to cost nearly as much as Unno, robot, Nicolai or any other boutique brand. I know Antidote guys, I know their margins. Percentage wise they are nowhere near spec or trek. Bicycles are a hobby like almost anything else. If you want to play, you got to pay. Bmx is cheap, so is road biking. 90% of maximum available performance achieved by a machine 1/10th of the price of the most expensive specimen. Running is cheap. As long as you don't run more than what your body needs to function properly and if you keep your gear non-optimal. You can simply take almost any shoes, cotton clothing and do it. Straight out of the door of your home. Or you can easily spend 2000$ on running gear if you want the best stuff out there. Dh biking? Hah, pay sucker! Try racing karts or do some rally... that will dry your wallet faaaast. Where was I getting with it... aaah I feel priviledged when i can afford a 3.5k bike. And I don't think mtb is such a great sport. That,s what i mean
  • - 1
 @WAKIdesigns: I'm not saying companies shouldn't market their products. I know this gets passed on to the consumer, as do many other costs.

Regardless, "Lifetime Warranty" means almost nothing. Buying a frame with these two words, in whole or in part, is a guarantee of nothing. You are paying upfront for the privilege of paying even more deductable when you f- up and smash your bike into an unusable chunk of plastic or metal. The cost of frame swap labour and parts is even more of a shock, and is covered by no shop unless you're their most beloved customer of all time (aka preferential treatment). Shops generally hate dealing with trashed frames with "warranty", unless the product rep has free reign to say "yes" to all claims. This rarely happens, and even when it does, the owner can still tell everyone, "Yeah, my stupid bike just broke on a small jump, and it took 4 weeks to get it fixed, Company X sucks, Shop Y sucks." etc. Then they flip the frame. Nobody wins, including the manufacturer. But they have to do it because the other guy does it too.

The purchaser is duped with the piece of mind that they can crumple the frame and get a new one for free, but only when the glow of new-bike ownership is brightest. It wears off as the bike get a thrashed, and new-toy lust comes along.

I'd like to see evidence that lifetime warranty makes a single bike better, safer, or a better value.
  • + 8
 Everyone rushing for a picture of the bike. How about going to see if Greg's awrite.
  • + 2
 Hes the one who carried his bike to the side of the track. If he can walk, hes aight
  • + 5
 @YouHadMeAtDrugs: um, that's definitely not true. Just because you can walk doesn't mean you don't have a concussion or injury that's gonna hurt a lot once the adrenaline wears off.
  • + 2
 @Scott787: No, but when you start writing autographs it's probably not that bad ;-)
  • + 5
 It just means you're Greg Minaar
  • + 0
 Shock seeing a snapped V10 so humanity comes 2nd.
  • + 1
 He quailed 2nd so he's likely okay. Maybe a lil off.
  • + 7
 Shite happens, glad he's OK, I'm sure the result would've been the same with other plastic steeds. He's gonna send it this weekend
  • + 1
 Watched the footage from Ben Cathro again. It wasn't by far or his leg would have between his frame and that pole. That'd have been the end of the season for him (if not worse). Glad he was this lucky.
  • + 8
 Ok where's the video from Santa Cruz torture testing Alu vs Carbon frames that's been floating around for years?
  • - 16
flag cebolla (Aug 25, 2017 at 11:35) (Below Threshold)
 @mikelevy: Faaaaake...
  • + 2
 Looking back at the last test all they had to do is hit the side of the frame apparently
  • + 4
 Find it pretty crazy the photographers (journalists) put the cameras down. Sven not shooting and texting (Santa Cruz big client) and Borris putting his camera down and covering up the bike with a blanket. I know these guys don't work for the AP, but that's pretty wild and shows how small this industry is.
  • + 12
 I think it speaks as much if not more to the state the uninformed/hateful comments that would appear under those photos if ever taken and shown without proper context and the full story. I know I won't shoot or post broken stuff as it just gets blown way out of proportion once it were to hit the internet and no one wins in that situation.
  • + 0
 @davetrumpore: Correct, Dave! Because you guys work for Pinkbike and Vital, not for fcuking TMZ! Smile
  • + 8
 @davetrumpore: Excellent point Dave, very sad state of affairs. Please understand, I'm not suggesting that they take them for the reason of posting straight away to Instagram and Pinkbike---for that exact reason. It's the fact that they didn't take them (even if kept to themselves) at all, and further, put their cameras down to cover the bike up with a towel, is what was troubling to me. As a photojournalist myself, it made me uneasy, as I consider you guys to be photojournalists of these events since there are no large (AP, etc.) news media outlets covering this sport.
  • + 1
 @davetrumpore: good, we need more sanity in our times.
  • + 3
 @btjenki: What's your point? There is no journalistic integrity from Sven and Borris?

Maybe they did get the shots. Maybe Sven is texting the SC pits that Greg just had a huge crash and is worried about his safety. These videos don't cover every vantage point of everyone that was there...

It's not like Vital and PB didn't post about this or tried to hide it.
  • + 4
 www.youtube.com/watch?v=3dzEJH8H7BI
IF you look at 0:37" Greg's legs are on one side of the pole, while his body is on the other. The bike's rear end is pushing the frame against the force of the front end until the frame snaps. It's all the rear end weight and his legs pinning the front end down. I guess bikes are not made to with stand sideways force. Other material would have bent. Glad he is ok.
  • + 1
 I noticed his legs were still around the bike when it hit. It's mazing his leg wasn't broken in half too.
  • + 4
 With a hit like that, with that much force... no bike would be rideable again. Aluminum deforms and bends while carbon fails catastrophically. I'm not worried about my V10 since I would either be going 3 MPH through that section or just on the side of the track shaking in fear. Smile
  • + 4
 BTW has anyone noticed what happens few seconds after Greg's rear tyre leaves the ground to make the bike fly towards the pole? You may have missed that: Aaron Gwin tries different lines choices on a fkng berm... I call that dedication... at 1:00 Tahnee Seagrave rides giant bumps like an ace, in order to cope with that her upper body is stronger than yours. Just saying. at 1:40 the rear wheel of Loic Brunis bike sticks to the ground like a fkng bean bag landing on the floor, while by watching further footage you can be quite sure that he runs his rebound rather open on that track. Öhlins TTX can do this. Your Fox or RS can't. I wish Rockshox engineers Rapid Recovery TM after realizing that. at 1:52, Aaron Gwin does something most of us can't do on a pumptrack, double to double. It's just that space between those natural rollers is more than 20ft each. Well I rarely dare to jump a nicely shaped table of that size. Thank you
  • + 5
 actually bruni's bikes always looked more glued to the ground than others, even when he was racing RS...
  • + 3
 And you're telling us you're dropping 8 meters to flat on a blur... Waki pls
  • + 1
 also at 0:36 Farina not giving a damn about incoming rider on track
  • + 0
 @mollow: yep landed this to flat: bragevestavik.blogspot.se/2010/09/avslutningshelga-pa-hafjell.html i'm sad there are no medals for it...
  • + 3
 So Minnaars bike snapped because it hit a wooden post (with a sign on it). British Cycling rules state all poles must be a minimum of 1.5m high (so you don't land on them) and made of plastic so they break and not you.
Good job it was his bike that snapped and not him.
Wooden posts shouldn't be allowed on a DH course, there's enough trees to hit already let alone using solid posts to mark the track.

Rider safety should be paramount. Stop using wooden posts when marking out a course.
  • + 7
 I dont know Santa Cruz mae a folding version of the V10. Neat
  • + 3
 Ok guys , I have seen a lot of crashes of bikes. In the woods and on the streets. All kind of bikes and materials. If you have a bad crash and a good impact, every bike will be broken or twisted. No bike can survive. So I don't think it's good or bad for santa cruz. Important is he can compete with the others guys for the title.
  • + 3
 As mentioned before, the real story here is that he crashed HARD...got up injured, didn't feel any need for a fit or profanity, signed a freakin autograph for a young admirer, professionally took his bike from the scene...then qualified 2nd on a new bike. He's obviously comfortable with success and expects it every day. The DH field is stacked with talent, but only he and Gwinn have shown this level of composure and consistency over the long haul. When I watched the vid at first I thought for sure that something happened to the frame before the impact. Now I've watched it over and over again...it's pretty clear that the impact caused the break. Especially if watched at full speed, everything happened so fast and the impact speed was really high. His rear wheel deflected off that last rock to the right, and he had to adjust and tighten up his line, the traction just wasn't there. The ping that happened mid rock garden is just a rim strike...by the sound of it, the rim is fine, no crack, just a lively ping indicates that no energy was lost to fracture.
  • + 3
 And his hair does emerge from his helmet like he just walked out of a salon. WTF is up with that?
  • + 1
 @UtahBrent: #wokeupthisway
  • + 6
 They covered it up to hide the motor hidden inside the frame.
  • + 1
 That crash would've destroyed ANY bike (OK maybe not steel) carbon or alloy. Something to consider with the design an testing these bikes go through is, do you really think engineers/designers are thinking about a massive side impact with a hard solid object? This wasn't bad design or construction but a freak occurance.
  • + 3
 at 0:31 in the post-crash vid a guy pulls the post out of the ground. Amazing. Can we get some footage of his 2nd place qaulifying run?
  • + 3
 Incredibly lucky he didn't break his leg. If the frame didn't break, he may have snapped his tib/fib. How deep way that sign post put in??? Thing didn't even budge.
  • + 1
 lol! I just watched the 2nd video! absolutely hilarious that the dude rushed over, tried to block the view of the bike with his jacket then covered up the frame as best as he could just as if the broken frame was the dead body of a murder victim! lol
  • + 1
 For me it is pretty clear - first he crashed ( sliding front wheel ) than went over the bars and at last front triangle hit this wooden pole on the left - this pole broke in half the front triangle. You can even hear cracking noise. Just slow down a bit the movie and you will see the same.
  • + 1
 Greg haved his femur very very close from the mighty pole.If it wasnt the frame he might have distructed:
Option 1 :femur
Option 2: Knee
Option 3: pole
Option 4 .tibia & friend
Option 5:pole and tree
The bike acelerates a lot with his rotational movement,if someone takes near with the bike and not the pole maybe other things had cracked.
  • + 4
 I`m sure that every carbon bike at that hit would have broken, gladly Greg it's ok !
  • + 4
 Any bike from almost any material, not only carbon!
  • + 1
 I went to crankworx Whistler this weekend and there was 4 Enve broken rims in the team's garbage. I am almost sure they were from one american team, so I won't say which... but After seeing that I don't think I'll be buying carbon rims anytime soon.
  • + 1
 Nothing is indestructible even the best of the best, its just need right amount of force to destruct it. It could be happened to everyone. But I would say top World Cup racer are way above our level, they are simply beast to snap frame just like that.

Test lab (goo.gl/3VqKFm) are different with real world. Hater will always be hater, they easily laugh at everyone mistake. Keep positive, get out and ride your bike!!
  • + 3
 Santa Cruz frames aren't as bomb proof as they have lead us to believe. Either that or Mike Levy isn't as strong as he looks.
  • + 23
 I look strong? News to me, but thanks!
  • + 10
 @mikelevy: It's a subtle strength Mike-but I'm on to you.
  • + 3
 I'd bet money that the frame broke from the impact from the fork stanchion when the bars hit the ground. The post just did the final splitting
  • + 3
 watch this vid at 36-38". (www.youtube.com/watch?v=3dzEJH8H7BI) The frame is fine, until Greg's feet pin the front end down and his body and the momentum of the rear end bend the bike over the pole. It is two forces working against each other. These bikes are not made for side forces. Greg weighs probably 90kg. At that speed, thats a lot of force.
  • + 5
 Pour one out.... to 29ers everywhere
  • + 1
 How much protection are the riders (generally) wearing under their jersey's? And are neck braces not really in style? Looking at all of the massive rocks, and watching Claudio crash on his course preview, and then this, it makes me think that I'd want as much protection as possible. And after Neko was DQ'd for inadequate protection, I'm wondering what they're normally riding with.
  • + 1
 Neko is a meathead he tried to race with a cardboard. Pretty everyone has decent armor but neckbraces are becoming rarer as they have never proven their efficiency.
  • + 4
 Why did the photographer cover it? Greg didn't care he just set it aside the course.
  • - 1
 My guess is so people dont walk up and start touching it when there might be sharp pointy bits of carbon
  • + 3
 Because Greg asked him to. You can hear it pretty clearly. Greg handled all this like the professional gentleman he happens to be. Don't expect anything less from him!
  • + 2
 Wow, carbon bike snaps in two due to big crash. Not exactly big news is it. Seen quite a few vids where carbon breaks or Alu bends with crashes.
  • + 0
 Those saying his frame broke before it hit the post are nuts. www.youtube.com/watch?v=3dzEJH8H7BI

Go full screen in slomo... you can clearly see it wrap around the post and break. The wash-out was nothing. The wheel or handlebar would have broke from that before the frame did.
  • + 0
 Bigger wheels and longer frames equal more leverage on a crash like this. It's plain to see it snapped where the material is the thinnest. You'd have to make the bike heavier to prevent it breaking in a duplicate event, which I'm not sure anyone is really worried about.
  • + 0
 what is beggining to be even more enjoyable about all the hate comments on pinkbike are the comments predicting and denouncing the future hate comments that sometimes don't even appear... so which is worse... the hate comments or the hate comments about hate comments...
  • + 1
 I guess the question remains did the frame fail which led to the highside and hitting the pole just finished it off, or did the Minaar just brain fade an easy corner on his own? My guess would be the former.
  • + 2
 Minnar is def a goat as 45 minutes later he went on to qualify second and his mechanic should get a big bonus for building him a fresh bike in such a short period of time
  • + 1
 Hell yeah! That's F1/MotoGP/LeMans level 5h1t right there!
  • + 1
 Not in the market for a high end Carbon DH bike, but this crash would not dissuade me in the slightest from riding a Santa Cruz. Any bike that hit that pole was either breaking or bending.
  • + 3
 What a champion! Crashes, narrowly avoids injury and STILL takes the time to sign a kids hat.
  • + 3
 Afternoon, Santa Cruz Warranty Department. How may I help you today?
"I was just riding along and my bike snapped in half!"
  • + 1
 Dear Pinkbike: stop posting Facebook videos unless you have another neutral video source for all of us that refuse to use FaceBitch.
  • + 1
 i'm glad the rider is ok.
It seems Mr. Minnaar doesn't need that bike anymore.
I would gladly take care of that broken bike. Smile
  • + 2
 I broke my bike in 2 places, what would I do?
Don't go back to those places
  • + 2
 Damn, that was awfully close to his leg getting smashed on that post instead it was just the frame.
  • + 1
 at first I thought that he was still clipped in, but maaan that was one hek of a crash and this pole? someone dig it really deep....
  • + 3
 SCORPION WINZ! #FLAWLESSVICTORY
  • + 1
 The day after has been less expensive for the syndicate but still, not very cheap: (rear tyre going off) youtu.be/AwDGHOyq7y4
  • + 3
 Bit of gaffer tape, sorted Smile
  • + 0
 I guess Santa Cruz should not be worried. Yeah it broke but then an F1 car does the same thing when it crashes and no one says: "oh... McLaren cars are not up to the job". Do they???

cheers,
Beer
  • + 2
 Watching the crash its no wonder the frame snapped!
  • + 1
 I was actually the other way around. I was surprised is snapped so easily. That being said - I believe he'd be in a world of pain if it hadn't broken on that tree.
  • + 1
 It seems to be broken from the front and makes a stranger and ends up breaking in half after the strong impact with the wood.
  • + 3
 Just put VaporRub on it
  • - 2
 Seriously the whole world full of bike nerds wants their bikes lighter lighter and lighter and we're surprised this sort of stuff happens?
Are we sure the bike broke in the crash?
Or did the crash happen because the bike broke?
I'd bet on the latter.
Me and my friends wear out fancy lightweight carbon frames in three months and it's not because we're hacks it's because we ride a lot.
Stop asking for all this shit that we're trusting our safety on to be lighter and start asking for it to be stronger.
  • + 1
 You can literally watch the bike wrap around the post and snap in half! The bike is perfectly fine up to that point. It isn't like he slid out and crashed then got back on and further down the track the bike broke in two just riding along. Then maybe you could say it was damaged in the crash and fully broke later. You can actually watch with your own two eyes as the bike flies into the post at high speed, leveraged on both and ends by the weight of the wheels and components, then also Greg's leg and body weight push on one side. You really think any bike carbon or otherwise would have been rideable after that scenario?

And you wear out carbon frames in three months? What does that even mean? Carbon does not have a fatigue like metal. Is your leg rubbing on the frame and wearing through it? Is the frame just cracking as you just ride along? Or are you smashing it on rocks or posts, like greg?
  • + 1
 MORE raw footages, MORE broken carbon frames, and more black flags to hide them please!!!
  • + 1
 how are people really claiming that the bike broke BEFORE it hit the post? come on now y'all, have some sense.
  • + 0
 It is actually a good thing, Now Santa C. will study and make their products even sturdier for the future productions to any models.
  • + 0
 SC warranty is a dream to deal with. He shouldn't have any probs. Not sure if they'll have any of those frames in stock though.
  • - 1
 I'm hoping someone can help me, does anyone know if he took the same line through his Quali's run? because the mental fortitude to try the same thing again after a crash like that is incredible
  • + 1
 Whoever planted that pole job well done Jesus lucky it was the bike and not him.
  • + 1
 ".. Always remember, your bones won't break in a bobsled, no no, they shatter"
  • + 0
 The reason why I will never ride carbon.. One wrong impact and snap ! I will take dented aluminum or real chromo steel any day ! Just say no to plastic bikes !
  • + 1
 That is easily the fastest I've EVER(!!!) seen a push turn to a tuck to a crash!!!!
  • + 1
 Like don said, much better the bike than the rider.

Broken bike > Broken rider
  • + 2
 Sending healing vibes to the bike.
  • + 1
 Just wondering are you going to be putting the forks on trademe cauae I will buy them?
  • + 2
 Then props to Marshy on getting another bike built up in 45 minutes!!
  • + 1
 Bike turned into snapping piece of shit. No matter arguing about carbon and metal when you are riding like these dudes
  • + 1
 Hits (frame) the steel (steel is real) post and then breaks. Good thing his femur/neck/liver didn't wrap that f'n post!
  • + 0
 I'm a big fan of carbon and yes he was going fast but I still think that it should have survived that crash all be it with heavy damage
  • + 1
 come Guys frame broke when hit that Guide Sign !! , can hear it smack and brake, nothing to do with how SCB make bikes.
  • + 1
 Thats nuts! The bike may have just saved him from scissoring that pole @ 20+ MPH.....ugh
  • + 1
 Please don't throw the frame away I will take it for free as a souvenir LOL.
  • + 1
 I dont give shit about the bike... carbon... Alu... 29er... f.... off... I hope he is well... What a terrible crash.
  • + 1
 is it covered under warranty?
  • + 1
 Soon to be a tandem V10 29er!
  • + 1
 I just hope it has been covered by warranty!
  • + 1
 He really wants that title ,glad nothing happened to him ,ITS RACE ON.
  • + 1
 A lot of whipper snappers about
  • + 0
 This is not going to be a race on Sunday sell on Monday weekend for Santa Cruz
  • + 1
 "Santa Crackz"
Lol jokes, love SC, just can't pass on a pun.
  • + 0
 looks like the frame gave way before hitting that post.....Greg sure is lucky.
  • + 1
 Feel glad it didn't broke in a jump!
  • - 3
 I ride 29 and 27.5 but after watching these videos I now question if DH rigs can safely be made in 29". Maybe it's just too much stress on the overall frame with those big ass hoops. Negative prop me all you want. Just my opinion.
  • + 1
 So is this a krazy glue situation, or would gorilla glue work better?
  • + 1
 Its No big deal Just get a role of flex tape!
  • + 1
 They put a coat over it like it was a dead body or something.
  • + 1
 Hats off Greg. You're a consummate professional, and one tough dood!!
  • + 2
 Just savage!
  • + 2
 #29ISdead
  • + 1
 Can't watch first vid. Anyone has an idea why? Thanks!
  • + 1
 OK, browser problem. Worked in Safari.
  • + 1
 will they cover this as Crash Protection?
  • + 2
 Crack Minnaar
  • + 1
 Crack Minnaar had some fiber lamination problems
  • + 1
 That sound on impact was sickening.
  • + 1
 It was amazing! Not saying I like to hear things blow up like that, but phuck me was it attention getting!
  • + 2
 Is my bike ok?
  • + 1
 where is the actual video, there is another showing it break...
  • + 1
 Don't look at me , I'm hideous!
  • + 1
 Glad your ok greggors Back to steel Steel is real!
  • + 1
 Looks like he has a little ankle or hip injury from the crash?
  • + 1
 Ok so it snapped.
  • - 1
 Notice that Greg's leg smashed the post just as hard. Thank goodness bones don't snap as easily as carbon bikes...
  • + 1
 Duct tape
  • - 3
 THE MOST EXPENSIVE DOWNHILL MOUNTAIN BIKE FROM POSSIBLY THE MOST REPUTABLE MOUNTAIN BIKE BRAND IN THE WORLD SNAPPED IN TWO?

NO WAY MAN! THAT WAS A KONA! ONLY KONAS BREAK THAT EASILY, PINKBIKE TOLD ME SO!
  • - 1
 I was hoping someone would bring all the kona hate up from back in the day....thanks for making me laugh at my desk!
  • - 6
flag Treze (Aug 25, 2017 at 12:10) (Below Threshold)
 @trainboy17: Kona sucks! I will always be a Santacruz fanboy at heart.
  • + 1
 Holy mackerel
  • + 1
 haters gonna hate
  • - 2
 it could be that it is a 29inch bike, this is the first i have seen a v10 snap like that and ive never heard of or seen any problems with the 27.5inch bike
  • + 1
 The bike hit a metal post!
  • - 1
 the front wash seems weird to me. like something was up with the front rim/spokes/tirepressure.
  • + 0
 He is one tough ol GOAT for sure!! Mentals
  • + 1
 Because 29er...
  • + 0
 First the frame broke then the Internet broke....
  • + 0
 Oh and I think GWIN is for the win Hart 2nd and Minnaar 3th
  • + 0
 Oh, just shut up!
  • - 3
 Glad he is alright, not hating on 29'ers or SC, but I wonder if with DH bikes getting longer and longer we will begin to see more and more of this. I don't think the post broke the bike, but then again who knows...
  • + 1
 Looked like it had a very short wheelbase to me under that coat
  • + 0
 GWIN for the WIN!
  • + 0
 Till jack passes him lol
  • + 1
 @krumpdancer101: I think? GWINNER has to beat Minnar by two places to take it. Fingers X'ed
  • - 3
 Made in China.
  • - 3
 ale shit alu to jest alu
  • - 3
 See what happens when you clip in on a carbon.
  • - 2
 I'm confused when did Greg start riding for Kona
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