Wyn Masters' Prototype GT Downhill Bike - First Look

Feb 9, 2018
by Mike Levy  
Wyn Masters Prototype GT spotted at Oceania MTB Champs 2018


You can test in private all you want, but nothing simulates racing like, er, racing. Past years have seen the New Zealand National series be the ideal place for racers to test their fresh bikes against the clock before the World Cup season kicks off later in the year, and 2018 is no different. In fact, last time this year, Pinkbike photographer Cameron Mackenzie spotted a revised version of the Fury that used an altered shock angle to add in more progression. This was so Wyn and Brook could use a coil-sprung Fox shock on more courses.

'Eagle Eye Cam' is at it again, it seems, as he's sniped photos of yet another GT prototype under Wyn Masters. This one, however, is an entirely new beast compared to the Fury - everything is different. We have precisely zero information about the unnamed carbon fiber bike, and Wyn was understandably doing his best to avoid Cam's questions, but the upside is that leaves us to speculate. My favorite hobby.


Wyn Masters Prototype GT spotted at Oceania MTB Champs 2018
Wyn Masters Prototype GT spotted at Oceania MTB Champs 2018
GT's I-Drive system is nowhere to be seen, with a more conventional four-bar layout (plus an idler pulley) used instead.


Wyn's old ride, pictured to the right, is a single-pivot, 210mm-travel machine that employed GT's floating bottom bracket and dog bone link I-Drive system. GT has used different versions of their I-Drive design on all of their high-end full-suspension mountain bikes over the years... until now.

Best I can tell, Wyn's new bike ditches I-Drive for a more conventional four-bar, Horst Link system with the twist of an idler pulley at the main pivot.

Why an idler? Well, the main pivot is quite high and, without an idler to route the chain up and over it, the suspension would firm up considerably under drivetrain loads.
Wyn and Brook s GT s
Wyn's old Fury was a single pivot bike but new one uses all the pivots.

Many shorter travel bikes use this to their advantage to feel efficient under power (otherwise known as anti-squat), but downhill bikes live in a very different world where traction and suspension action trumps everything else.


Wyn Masters Prototype GT spotted at Oceania MTB Champs 2018
Routing the chain up and around the main pivot allows the suspension action to be largely isolated from pedaling forces.


Also notable is the frame material - the stout looking front is a carbon job, while the rear end is aluminum. You might remember that the first generation Fury was carbon front to back, while the second gen was aluminum. It looks like GT is going back to carbon for their downhill bike, however.

The rear-end could also only be aluminum on Wyn's bike while they tinker with different suspension geometries, with the production version possibly being a full-carbon frame. That's just a guess, though.


Wyn Masters Prototype GT spotted at Oceania MTB Champs 2018
  Is Wyn's bike the latest 29'' wheeled downhill sled? We're still trying to figure that one out. Given the tall, lower headset cup, it may well be able to fit both 27.5 and 29" wheels.


We're debating whether or not it's rolling on 29'' wheels; it's hard to tell in these photos. The larger wheel size would, in itself, makes sense, but the tall lower headset cup hints that the bike might be able to run more than one wheel size, so we might see GT's racers on both options in 2018. That doesn't mean the production version will sport the same feature, of course.

There's no word on suspension travel, but I wouldn't be surprised to learn that it's somewhere between 180mm and 200mm when on big wheels.


Wyn Masters Prototype GT spotted at Oceania MTB Champs 2018
  The tall lower headset cup hints at being able to run two different wheel sizes and adjustable geometry.


What else can you make out from the photos of Wyn's prototype DH bike?


247 Comments

  • + 95
 I like the way you “said” it
  • + 23
 GT: Youre seeing shit, we dont know what youre talking about...
  • - 130
flag ionlyridepark1 (Feb 9, 2018 at 14:20) (Below Threshold)
 looks like a session Smile
  • + 267
 The resemblance truly is uncanny. They both have a wheel at either end and a dark-colored frame in between. The also both appear to employ a chain-driven gear system and a bar with handles for steering. You'd think a big company like GT could come up with a unique way to configure a bicycle.
  • - 25
flag Jackson900 (Feb 9, 2018 at 14:23) (Below Threshold)
 Way to ease into it, honestly though what happened to originality in design
  • + 101
 Whatever it looks like, it's a he'll of an improvement.
  • + 11
 *hell
  • + 6
 Totally my first though when saw this suspension top rocker.
  • + 0
 @fullfacemike: Totally agree.
  • - 6
flag RedBurn (Feb 9, 2018 at 14:59) (Below Threshold)
  • + 21
 @RedBurn: Introducing the all new GTSession, now with 100% more idler pulley!
  • + 50
 Technically, it looks EXACTLY like a Ghost DH bike, because its they copied it 100%. High pivot Horst link with idler, Zie Germans had that shit years ago!

static.evanscycles.com/production/bikes/mountain-bikes/product-image/969-638/ghost-dh-9000-2012-mountain-bike-EV158747-9999-1.jpg
  • + 37
 Looks more like a Norco, but that clearly isn't a marketable comment.
  • + 8
 @hypermoto: wow that is uncanny. Just change the decals.
  • + 29
 @RedBurn: Those Photoshop skillz tho...
  • + 5
 @Thustlewhumber: hahaha lol done with PowerPoint in about one minute.. excuse me sir
  • + 10
 @RedBurn: My body was unsure what to do, my face smiled while my heart was crushed by the incredible editing
  • + 2
 One night one session at the idler bar.
  • + 8
 I’m still waiting for a 29” GT Lobo with modern geo and materials!

Surly pull shocks and the tech we have these days are due for a comeback ? And open up another realm of suspension designs
  • + 1
 @hypermoto: ghost stole the design from k9ine
  • + 42
 Basically bike companies are reaching where MX makers have been for a long time.

All MX are pretty much the same because thats where evolution have led them.

Makers are starting to get geo really sorted and at this point you are asking them to be different just because.

To my eye theres not much difference between a Honda and a Kawasaki

Am i wrong?
  • + 1
 @BenPea: my thoughts as well
  • + 2
 @reverend27: As far as I can determine, one is good and one is bad. Entirely due to tuning and suspension.
  • + 3
 @hypermoto: 100% is wrong! The Ghosts pivot sits just behind the idler, if you look at it properly it looks as if GT has gone and put the pivot directly through the idler making it different and when the new bike comes out im sure wi will hear why the have done this and how its different to other companies.

But yeah it looks horrible its a Norco, Rocky Mountain, Trek everything hybrid with a front triangle that looks as if it was picked from one of those catalogues you at a bike trade show in Asia.
  • + 1
 @fullfacemike: DH bikes are becoming like all modern SUV's they all just look the same now. this GT, trek session, that ghost DH rig, mongoose boot'r, Norco Aurum. wheres the diversity going?
  • + 3
 Looks like a high pivot YT Tues. A lot
  • - 8
flag dadebrown (Feb 10, 2018 at 2:53) (Below Threshold)
 Agreed, Idon't usually support the hype of ''it's a session'' bs, but ffs GT... wtf is going on??
  • + 2
 Looks awesome!
  • + 5
 How do we enter the contest?
  • + 7
 @hypermoto: except they figured out how to not make it look terrible... especially from the seatpost back.
  • + 2
 @hypermoto: Exactly!!!
  • + 2
 @reverend27: We are getting there slowly for sure. Bikes just need to grow a few more cm in length and we will be there. Some 2018 brands have XL and XXL out that will be L in a few more years.
  • + 3
 @hypermoto: i dont see the resemblance at all
  • + 1
 This was getting old 5 years ago
  • - 5
flag MrDiamondDave (Feb 10, 2018 at 16:10) (Below Threshold)
 it is a Walmart Session!!
  • + 1
 That was the first thing I thought of when reading the headline.
@Smallbright:
  • + 1
 LOLOLOLOLOL
  • + 2
 There is something that looks a lot more closer. That is the Norco prototype dh bike
  • + 1
 @I-want-your-bike: commencal makes a sick high pivot 29er dh that's a pretty unique design.
  • + 1
 @EnduroManiac: except not cause the Tues has a horizontal shock orientation.....
  • + 1
 just saying there is way more to this bike that the look. yes it looks very similar but the rear triangle and head tube angle are way different. and lets not completely skip the drivetrain and the rear dropout being waaaaay different.
  • + 1
 @hypermoto: GT has been perfecting Ghost's bike for the last 6y... by putting some 29'' inch wheels on it! That's called development and evolution in the bike industry. Wink
  • + 91
 RIP I-drive. At last.
  • + 5
 lol
  • + 23
 I-drive was a good system...10 years ago.
  • + 16
 @StackingItSince1991: I-Drive is a fantastic system, for bikes with 120mm travel or less.
  • + 11
 Thankfully they let it go! Like how GT did things differently and thought out of the box but the best DH bikes all share a common design. No monkey motion with the B.B. Think this will give the GT team a good boost.
  • + 1
 @deadbeat: let it go, let it go
  • + 6
 @Fix-the-Spade: Yea I tend to agree with that. The problem with the longer travel iDrives is that its difficult to set the suspension to give a smooth ride over the smaller bumps as well as handle the bigger hits. With DH bikes you need to have both.
  • + 2
 @StackingItSince1991: It was never good. People just sucked up the marketing back then.
  • + 3
 @jclnv: idrive has a couple of benefits. The single piece triangle avoids lateral flex issues. Also it has virtually no pedal-bob. But more recent 4 bar and VPP systems do this and provide better suspension progression as well.
  • + 3
 @StackingItSince1991: You think any of that makes up for the BB being coupled (at a reduced ratio) to the rear axle?
  • + 2
 @jclnv: The coupling does some things to the suspension but its not all bad. It tends to stiffen the suspension when you are standing on the pedals (good) but it does make the suspension stiffer under other scenarios such as flat landings (bad).
  • - 3
 @StackingItSince1991: Well I'm sure it's efficient under pedalling loads, so are URT's. Unfortunately URT's and I-Drive don't isolate the rider from the rear axle. Both totally flawed although I'd argue that a URT is superior as at least it doesn't have the pointless complexity of the I-Drive linkage.
  • - 2
 @StackingItSince1991:

I-Drive came out in 1999, it wasn’t that good back then!
  • + 2
 1998-2018 rest in peace idrive
  • - 2
 @StackingItSince1991: I wouldn't put any four bar in the same league as a 'vpp' design actual or good copy, (maestro, DW link and the sort) I like four bar DH rigs, but when pedalling comes into the equation they are off the back imo
  • + 4
 @lifted-d: A Horst-linked design could be engineered with the same Anti-squat as a counter-link.

To do so would effect the small bump. There is no free lunch. The best option is to learn how to pedal.
  • + 1
 @jclnv: clearly spec'd an others are waiting for 2020 to drop this engineering...
  • + 1
 @lifted-d: What engineering? Go ride a current high AS Horst-link like a Slayer.
  • + 0
 indeed, what engineering?the shocks these days are the only thing keeping Horst links around @jclnv:
  • + 3
 @lifted-d: With all due respect, You really don't know what you're on about.

You do know the VPP patent has expired don't you? Just look at how many manufacturers are rushing to use it... In fact SC has been jumping through hoops for years to try and get close to overall Horst-linked 4-bar kinematic characteristics.

Spend some time on linkage and learn what fundamentals are intrinsic to designs.
  • + 1
 @jclnv: please just no... there are many versions of the vpp out there. And yes i'm well aware of the vpp patent having expired. I'm just saying if modern shocks were not as good as they are, horst link companies would be out of business. vpp designs work quite well with any shock that has adequate spring rate and rebound control. the compression circuits on modern shocks give horst links a crutch to lean on.
  • + 2
 @lifted-d: Actually counter rotating link designs (or SC's VPP) where the shock is driven by the upper link, all exhibit a regressive/progressive leverage rate which is why they need higher anti-squat at sag and subsequently higher kick-back (harsh).

As I said, do you deal with that or or you learn how to pedal a bike with a more independent suspension kinematic?

BTW, current EWS men's champ, Men's DH World Cup and World Champ all use Horst-Linked 4-bars. What design did Canyon and YT choose? When the FSR patent expired why did Scott and Norco start using it?

Again, spend some time looking into the kinematics of various designs and you'll see why.
  • + 1
 Like I said earlier I’d ride one for dh, but not for anything else. As for brands using it. Well you must realize there are only so many actual frame makers out there, Norco has used a four bar for eons so it’s a natural progression for them.
Pretty convieniend that you completely ignore the hordes of vpp clones out there @jclnv:
  • + 2
 @lifted-d: Please list all the counter-link VPP's.
  • + 1
 Well I hardly have time to search them all out but from top of head. Santacruz, intense, giant, new dmr, both Marin and transition were doing, yeti and idk I’m sure there are others. But I’ll also leave you with this to glance over
www.bikeradar.com/gear/article/buyers-guide-to-mountain-bike-suspension-part-2-28438
them@jclnv:
  • + 1
 Ibis too
  • + 1
 Sheesh I forgot pivot...
  • + 1
 @lifted-d: They're not counter-rotating links.

Here's a little project for you. Find a picture of a dual link frame like a DW, now imagine the rearward pivot of the lower link was near the dropout. Tell me what design you see.

Hopefully now you'll understand how different designs can have very similar kinematics.
  • + 1
 I don’t think imagining a design a small another counts to be honest. Your being rediculous. I’m talking vvp as a general design. Your imagining things...
Peace out@jclnv:
  • + 1
 @lifted-d: A 4-bar linkage is a VPP...

Seriously, avoid the marketing and do some reading.
  • + 83
 I changed a tyre on this bike yesterday for wyn, the tyre reads 27.5. Standard Fox 40 lowers on the bike, not 49... Pinkbike you bliiiiiiind. press releasing a 29er before its even a 29er
  • + 15
 The article speaks directly to this...

"We're debating whether or not it's rolling on 29'' wheels; it's hard to tell in these photos. The larger wheel size would, in itself, makes sense, but the tall lower headset cup hints that the bike might be able to run more than one wheel size, so we might see GT's racers on both options in 2018."
  • + 6
 It's easy to see that it's a 27.5 from the rotor size comparison. However many 29" downhill bikes have been seen with Fox 40 stickers/labels rather than Fox 49.
  • + 18
 Doesn't Wyn have a dedicated pit crew or the ability to change a tire himself?
  • + 3
 @YoungGun13:

How often do you see professional riders wrenching?
  • - 6
flag YoungGun13 (Feb 10, 2018 at 2:02) (Below Threshold)
 @mollow: But how often do they get a stranger to wrench on their prototype bike?
  • + 70
 @YoungGun13: You do realise that this is Kurt McDonald. He was a world cup mechanic for Bergamot and not just some random you absolute phallus
  • + 69
 @mrjanssen: Ah, this I did not realize. I am indeed a phallus
  • + 29
 Wait till Biggus Dickus hears of this
  • - 1
 *sn*gger*
  • + 6
 @t-stoff: props for Python Life of Brian reference..
  • + 1
 I'm guessing the cups give the bike geo/reach adjustability. Think buzzworks.
  • + 2
 @whistlingcoyote: What exactly were you implying there?...
  • + 7
 @visedbarbecue: Just trying to roll with the Python reference.... it was meant to say 'sn*gger' - as in chortle, or giggle....which is exactly what the roman guards do when the centurion, played by John Cleese, suggests that Biggus Dickus is a joke name.
Unfortunately in my inebriated state I didn't spell check myself and could not edit after I posted....now, having to explain, all humour is lost, and my reputation is in tatters.

Utterly unintentional as it was, I admit it did look in pretty bad taste. All apologies
  • + 2
 can whoever please stop changing my i to *
  • + 2
 @whistlingcoyote: Try 'snicker'
  • + 1
 @YoungGun13: something tells me that would do it
  • + 29
 Just like a session. But with a radically high main pivot. With a roller. A chainstay pivot. Not split pivot. So yeah I guess it vaguely cuts the same profile as a Session but is different in almost every possible way that matters.
  • - 15
flag raditude (Feb 9, 2018 at 15:15) (Below Threshold)
 Looks like a demo. Better?
  • + 33
 Looks like a Wyning design, a Marsters'piece of engineering.
  • + 1
 It surely garys a lot of speed through the turners
  • + 31
 so gt finally is not the owner of ugliest dh bike award this year?
  • + 31
 Youve obviously only seen a few downhill bikes then.
  • + 20
 @chillrider199: hahah the Redalp wins this one fosho
  • + 15
 @heyburn: pinkbike should get the redalp in for review, if only to watch the comments section implode.
  • - 1
 @chillrider199: i always thought the fury was about as ugly as it gets
  • + 15
 Weird...I always thought it was one of the better looking non-Session-like bikes out there.
  • + 6
 @stumpymidget: I bet it rides amazing. Anything that ugly must have a point to prove.
  • + 5
 @Tmackstab: Can attest. Wait are we talking about bikes or chicks?
  • + 26
 Who designed this?! This is leaps and bounds above anything GT has come out with in the past. Looks long low and slack and with the possibility of running 29 inch wheels I bet its a beast.
  • - 20
flag oldmanDan (Feb 9, 2018 at 17:01) (Below Threshold)
 I've got a pretty good idea who designed it, but I'll have to ask him if its his, and if I can release that information
  • + 12
 @oldmanDan: I like how you weren't vague at all with that statement.
  • - 1
 @oldmanDan: and his name is... Austin Powers! Tede de! Tede de!
  • - 8
flag oldmanDan (Feb 10, 2018 at 4:45) (Below Threshold)
 @CALEBTNORMAN: I've been told I have to be vague.
I do know who designed it, but I've been sworn to secrecy.
And it wasn't Austin Powers!
  • + 1
 @oldmanDan: dude you are one stiff drink away from spilling all the beans..
Toobad the information you have is useless, unless it really is Austin Powers!
  • + 2
 @oldmanDan: If it wasn't Austin Powers, who was it? I can't believe (Dr) Evil or Scott had anything to do with it.
  • + 3
 @metaam: was it... shmoke and a pancake?
  • - 1
 @metaam: I know, theez vere tfoo designez fhom Hollend: Bong and Blintz
  • + 0
 @WAKIdesigns: It's hard to tell from the photos whether this design would suit a fat bastard or not
  • + 3
 @metaam: Fat Bastard ride Zee Ebike with Goldfinger signature Eagle
  • + 0
 @WAKIdesigns: Surely a fat ebike? I hear he's become a wheel building expert due to continually fiddling with his nipples.
  • + 25
 That is actually one of the best looking bikes out of GT in quite some time in my opinion.
  • + 4
 @RedBurn: So wrong @RedBurn ....so wrong. Haha!
  • + 1
 @RedBurn: crikey that's a brute.

I liked the one they did for Rachel in the turquoise flake paint job. Love a metallic flake.
  • + 17
 I like this
  • + 13
 GT is back to using a horst link suspension design. The recent PB article on "now that was a bike - GT LTS" was timed well!
  • + 2
 Coincidence
  • + 13
 Gt’s made the cross between the session and the YT Tues
  • + 31
 It looks 33% YT (front end), 33% Norco (rear end), and 33% Commencal (idler location). But there's obviously only so many ways to design a bike. Still interesting to compare.
  • + 8
 @mikelevy: looks more like 29% YT 37% norco to me but I can see where youre coming from
  • + 4
 @mikelevy: The Idler location seems to make up a large percentage of the compostition of this bike...
  • + 17
 @mikelevy: That leaves 1% for some GT innovation.
  • + 0
 @acali: GT Innovation. lower headset cup in DH spec.
  • + 3
 @mikelevy: The idler looks pretty Balfa to me. I would even like to say "session 10" but I'm not sure if the PB "looks like a S*n" ban is still in effect.
  • + 6
 @me2menow: 29% YT? Are you crazy? It's 28.99% at the very most.
  • + 6
 "Routing the chain up and around the main pivot allows the suspension action to be largely isolated from pedaling forces."

Except... that's not actually the point the wheel is pivoting around. This is a 4-bar horst link... thus...it has a virtual pivot point at the point in space that the lower and upper link pivot paths... come together.
  • + 9
 The idler is going to be positioned to beat compromise taking this into account though and the IC probably doesn't migrate too much being a Horst.

I like how they state that this will mean the design doesn't have decent anti squat too, in actual fact it could have over 100% throughout the travel (changing obviously throughout) - the difference here is you won't get huge pedal kickback as a result.

It's a similar system to the antidote dark matter if you ignore the shock linkage.

Funny how bikes are getting better at dealing with properly rough stuff just as tracks are getting less rough though.....
  • + 2
 @Racer951: Riders are going faster though. Faster on less rough terrain can be more rough.
  • + 1
 Yeah, you’re still going to get chain growth here (albeit significantly disminished) at the expense of anti-squat. Compromise? For sure.
  • + 5
 @cwatt: Chain growth here is probably less than 5mm at bottom out if they have the idler in the correct position, a 'standard' DH bike will be 25mm+ and often into mid 30mm - You would barely feel 3-5mm of movement.

Higher pivots 'naturally' have high levels of anti squat too - I imagine at least comparable to any other 'good' bike.

I think the reason more manufacturers don't employ designs like this is fear of alienating the target market but as DH becomes more niche and specialist I think its allowing more design freedom, especially with Norco, Commencal and Antidote having similar designs (at least visually).
  • + 0
 @Racer951: I agree with everything except the anti-squat. Traditional chain-drive systems will pull the wheel down/into/toward the BB when peddling. An idler system will be neutral and entirely dependent on the 'peddling platform' (LSC) of the shock.

But yes - I do think we're seeing a reemergence of idler systems as consumers' expectations of a downhill bike become more realistic. I also wonder if frame designers were influenced in Aaron Gwin's winning chinless run; realizing that a win isn't dependent on your ability to pedal.
  • + 1
 @cwatt: high pivots have a natural anti squat due to moment it creates when you pedal.. agreed that removing the idler would effect it even more so but it's not really required as the rear wheel axle sits significantly lower than the virtual pivot that this bike makes.

Its anti squat.. just done without the need for chain tension.
  • + 2
 @cwatt: MrZ32 summed that up for me - take a look at anti squat and high pivot bikes - you are way off the mark there.
  • + 9
 While I don't like the 29" wheels the shift away from the idrive is good thing. Well done GT.
  • + 6
 Not actually 29
  • + 1
 @YoungGun13: Yes I see that from the other posts. So thats a double thumbs up from me.
  • + 2
 @StackingItSince1991: And I would say they've finally made a properly good-looking bike
  • + 7
 Great looking bike GT! Regardless of its similarities to other bikes, I'm stoked to own one as I own a Force X with the COG setup and I've never ridden a bike that could propel and push me as hard as that one does.
  • + 4
 it may be worth noting that GT team prototype Furys they used for the last part of last season did not have the iDrive system.

www.vitalmtb.com/photos/features/2017-Fort-William-World-Cup-Pit-Bits,11068/Prototype-GT-Fury-for-Wyn-Masters,115611/iceman2058,94
  • + 6
 Must be very close to production. If your a company trying to keep something a secret I wouldn’t give the bike to Wyn Masters.
  • + 7
 Dear GT,

Make it under $4K. Spec it well, make a full alloy frame, put some threads in the B.B.

Take my money.
  • + 8
 Hell Yes! Been waiting for this one for a while!
  • + 6
 Kinda stoked for Wyn and George that they now have a chance to ride something that looks vaguely competitive
  • + 7
 Kill it this year Wyn!!!!!!!
  • + 8
 GOSH! This is a news
  • + 7
 Looks better than a session
  • + 4
 Zombie bikes coming soon: IDrive teaming up with Lefty! Not undead - redead!
  • + 3
 is it just me or is chain routing harking back to 2007 and the old Trek Session 10 :-O ep1.pinkbike.org/p4pb13347328/p4pb13347328.jpg
  • - 1
 It's a Session 10 inside a Session 8!

#Sessionception
  • + 4
 Didn't Wyn say GT was coming out with 30-inch wheels for 2018?! Bummer, guess we'll have to wait til 2019 then...
  • + 3
 High pivots are back in I guess, who do we have
Gt proto (duh)
commencal
Norco proto

Who am I missing here?

Wonder if they are onto something?
  • + 0
 Canfield
  • + 1
 Devinci and Zerode
  • + 2
 @thejake: Devinci? Did I miss something?
  • + 2
 Bulls, whom Wyn ironically rode for for several years before GT.
  • + 3
 This bike looks pretty beast, wouldn't mind testing it. Shit, I would love to ride many bikes from many manufacturers. I love bikes.
  • + 5
 What?!?!?? No room for a bottle cage???? Wtf!!!
  • + 1
 It’s about time . Last decent working bike they made was the lobo’s and lts’. More than 20 yrs ago. This new one looks good and looks like it’ll work as good as it looks
  • + 2
 Really loooong bike. Me like it Hope Brannigan and Masters start using it and score wyns rightaway same as Gee did with the 2014 Fury
  • + 0
 No wonder the bulldog sold one of his NOS dh bikes so cheap - its outdated! haha, but seriously, having a blacked out bike is always going draw speculation to it.....even though its the last thing you want when testing? or is it? haha - Smoke it hard kiwis this year!
  • + 1
 The original fury was by far the worst bike ive ever ridden, the updated one from the last few seasons was good, but I think this one shows some cool potential. Interested to see how the team does with it.
  • + 2
 Even the updated version blew through its travel way to ez.
  • + 3
 @jrocksdh: I had a chance to ride the updated on and while it was better, I found the same thing, it was overly squishy and felt very awkward.
  • + 2
 I've never ridden a DH bike. I live in Oklahoma, but does that wheel base seem bat shit insane to anyone else. The bike looks huuuge. Dare I say Yuuuuuuuge.
  • + 0
 So, after years of avoiding paying for the horst link patent GT are back on horst link.

Also after years of trying to tell us idrive was superior.

Anyone who rode a Lobo/STS DS back to back with the idrive that replaced them could tell you the old horst link was superior.

Now nearly 20 years later we're back where we started, and all the while people go on and on about how suspension design gas come on such a long way over the last few years.

... not saying it hasn't, santa cruz,yeti and the pivot/ibis implementation of dw link are all progress, but I still don't think they're revolutionary.
  • + 4
 Am I the only one that notices that insanely low BB?
  • + 0
 insanely low?
in the side on view BB definitelly looks to be above the wheel axle height.
Assuming 27.5 wheels and 2.5" tyres that puts the wheel axles at at least 350mm or 13.8"
Not what i'd call insanely low. infact. fairly average for a WC DH bike
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 @G-A-R-Y: you need glasses...
The bb is about 1.5 inches below the axle line...
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 @oldmanDan: Haha. Just looked again. (with glasses). In the side on pic I'm talking about the front wheel is turned so it's kinda difficult to tell but no other pic gives a reference point between both wheel axles.So you could well be right about it being below the axle height. Over 1.5" below would make it 12.2". S'pose we'll find out soon enough, eh?
BBs getting super low again would be a welcome respite from wheelbase/reach willy waving.
  • + 1
 Its just an updated Ghost DH-9000, the germans had this design years ago. High pivot Horst link with an idler. Regardless, it looks friggin fast, that thing will eat bumps like a mfer
  • + 0
 No, it's not! You need to look further than the ghost (which was a copied design)
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 @oldmanDan: pretty much everything in the bike industry is a copied design to be fair.
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 From the article: "... but downhill bikes live in a very different world where traction and suspension action trumps everything else."
So gearboxes, right? Why isn't that the case?
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 Martin Meas is going to FSU on that bike
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 Why is it we’re seeing such a reemergence of idler pulleys? There were bikes doing this nearly 20-years ago (namely the Balfa BB7 beginning in 1999). What has changed?
  • - 1
 Big diameter downtube top to bottom, see how manufacturers are starting to make their new bikes 'E' ready right from the start? A battery will fit straight in there, perfect for the UCI's hinted E-DH series for 2020...
Eat my roost PB haters!
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 Why the f@ck everyone comments on what it looks like instead of will it perform as it should?
It's bound to look like a bike, it is one
If you want to look at something pretty and rideable look at Robyn Lawley
Shit people get over with the looks, it won't get you any faster down the track
  • + 1
 GT says ... "i-drive is the only one that is ....!" I told you ... that time.

^^*)
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 I remember the time I bought the 1st generation of Fury I will first have a look at that everyday after woke up. I felt that is a piece of art. And the the Atherton version of Fury to me was indeed a warrior... Well, seeing this prototype I feel this is just a piece of shit which stealing designs from different brands.
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 Nice collage on this one.. rear triangle from yt tues, rocker link from rocky mountain maiden, top tube from intense.. drivetrain sysytem from commemcal well done !! ????????????
  • + 0
 Sorry but that is an ugly bike. However the fact they got rid of the iDrive can only be a good thing! Nothing but problems with my one when I had a Sanction
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 mmmm...shiny! AND uses all the pivots!
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 This is the result of the Sender, the Session and the Demo 8 having a little too much fun at a bar one night and giving into their deepest desires...
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 I’m actually a bit disappointed with the comments on this news
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 High pivot fourbar? Best of both worlds? Why isn't this more used?
  • + 2
 Twenty Nine... Fuck Yeah!
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 Another bike with high pivot. Finally.
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 1st good looking GT in a longggggggggggggggggggggggggggg ass time!
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 i though he said gt where coming out with a 30 incher not 29, smh
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 The best high pivot + idler pulley bike is still the Commencal
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 Seems every Kiwis really like high pivot bikes..
  • + 0
 It's a little bit like there was a "supreme" "session" of........love and there is the half cast muggle Smile
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 "Looks like a session"- Joeys
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 ok now just Connondale to get onto the sensible page
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 dh bikes are finally getting high pivots noone cares.
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 Derailleur hanger... awful tiny shit. Still love the frame!
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 How many looks like comments?
Ahh my eyes feel hurt..
  • + 2
 For the Wyn
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 It feels like Ghost dh to me... but i like it alot.
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 What rear mech is that? (looks like a proper short cage XT)
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 it's a saint.
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 @nannoo: Ah. yeah. so it is. Thanks.
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 Anything that goes away from i-drive is A++++.
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 Master Piece!
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 Why do they never show the NON drive side?
  • + 0
 Seat jammed forwards. Can anybody design a bike that doesn't eat itself in full compression?!
  • + 1
 Seeing huge rotors gets me a hard
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 drool
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 Beefy like a Rocky Mountain Maiden
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 Tall ain't the word for that H'set Cup !!
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 nice aurum
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 Looks cool though, especially for a GT. nice.
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 Where to get a tall lower headset like that?
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 it needs a gear box
  • + 0
 Lol amp/specialized were right all along.
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 Looks like a Session...
  • + 0
 Aww. Trek and Canfield had a baby.
  • + 0
 doesn´t look like Session, it is a Session
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 Best looking Session I have ever seen.
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 thats pretty cool GHOST Big Grin D
  • + 0
 #Ghostsessionyt#
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 looks like a tues
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 #GameChanger!

Looks like an Aborted Session.
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 Looks like a bike that Ive heard of... eh doesnt ring a bell
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 zzzzz
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 It should be called a Commencal Session 9.9.1 Just saying!
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 the new gt?? its a trek....
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