SRAM GX Eagle: A Wallet Friendly 12-Speed Drivetrain - First Ride

Jun 8, 2017
by Mike Kazimer  




When SRAM launched their 12-speed XX1 and XO1 Eagle drivetrains last year, it didn't take long for riders to start asking “When does the cheaper version come out?” We're all familiar with how the trickle-down process typically works — a company starts by releasing the highest end, most technologically advanced model of a component, and then gradually rolls out different versions, each one with fewer features and a lower price tag than the previous iteration.
SRAM GX Eagle Details
• 1x, 12-speed drivetrain
• 500% gear range
• 10-50 tooth cassette
• XD driver required
• Weight: 1847 grams
• Price: $495 USD
www.sram.com

Well, SRAM's taking a different tactic this time around, cracking the floodgates wide open with the launch of GX Eagle, a 12-speed drivetrain that's half the cost of XX1 Eagle, but with almost identical performance. Yes, there is a weight penalty due to the different materials and manufacturing methods used to bring the price down, but the basics of the drivetrain remain the same — it's a single ring system, based around a 10-50 tooth cassette, which creates a 500% gear range.

The complete GX Eagle group retails for $495 USD, which includes cranks — you can knock a hundred dollars or so off that price if you already have a crankset that can accept an Eagle-compatible chainring.


SRAM GX Eagle
SRAM GX Eagle
Except for the slightly different shape around the b-knuckle area, the GX derailleur looks nearly identical to the more expensive X01 version.


Derailleur

The GX Eagle derailleur's uses the same basic design as its more expensive sibling, and from a distance you'd be hard pressed to tell them apart. It does use a stamped rather than forged cage, and the profile of the b-knuckle area is slightly different, but those changes only add up to a miniscule 9 gram weight penalty. Like the XX1 Eagle derailleur, GX Eagle uses SRAM's Type 3 roller bearing clutch, and a Cage Lock button that sits behind the clutch mechanism, allowing the tension to be removed from the chain for easy wheel removal.


SRAM GX Eagle
SRAM GX Eagle
The 50-tooth cog is aluminum, but the other 11 cassette cogs are stamped steel. The entire unit is held together with more than 100 stainless steel pins.


Cassette

The heart of the Eagle drivetrain is the massive 10-50 tooth cassette. When it first came out, it looked comically oversized, and there was plenty of scoffing from riders who swore there was no need for such a massive gear range. Those outcries aren't quite as loud anymore — it turns out that being able to spin rather than strain and struggle up a long, steep climb is a good thing, and if that easy gear is too easy, well, you can always run a larger chainring up front, and benefit from the increased top-end speed.

The GX Eagle cassette uses SRAM's Full Pin design, where the stamped steel cogs are held together with stainless steel pins, rather than being machined out of one piece of steel billet, à la the XX1 Eagle casette. Total weight for the cassette is 448 grams, and it retails for $195 USD.


SRAM GX Eagle
The pins may not be hollow, but the same manufacturing process that's used on the XX1 and X01 chains is used to create the GX Eagle chain.


Chain

The GX Eagle chain uses the same geometry found on its more expensive sibling, but a different finish (similar to what's used on SRAM's 11-speed X1 chain) and the use of solid pins allow for a substantial cost savings — at $30 it's nearly a third of the price of XX1.


SRAM GX Eagle
SRAM GX Eagle
The aluminum cranks use a direct mount chainring, and have a new arm profile that saves 80 grams over the prior version.

Cranks

The GX crankarms are 2D forged from 7000 series aluminum, and have a new shape that allows them to come in at 80 grams lighter than the previous GX cranks. SRAM's direct mount Eagle chainrings are backwards compatible with 11-speed drivetrains, which could make this solid replacement option for riders who need new cranks but don't want to spend an exorbitant amount of money. Available in 165, 170, and 175mm option, the cranks are $120 USD.


Shifter

The position of the pull lever on the GX shifter can't be adjusted, and the finish is a little less smooth and shiny, but once again, the function is the same, with a crisp, distinct click each time the lever is pushed. Grip Shift fans haven't been left out either, and a GX-level twist shifter has been added to the mix.


SRAM GX Eagle


GX Eagle pricing


Initial Impressions

I only have a handful of rides in on the GX Eagle group so far, but one thing is certain: the shifting performance feels almost the same as the pricier X01 group I had been running previously. Sure, the shift paddle lever might not be quite as smooth and shiny, but other than that tiny detail, I'd be hard pressed to tell the two groups apart in a blind test.

The transition between gears is quick and distinct, and although the jump to the 50-tooth cog is a touch slower than the shifting on the rest of the cassette, the chain still makes that eight-tooth jump with minimal hesitation. I haven't dropped a chain yet, and those inaugural rides included been plenty of rough and jarring trails — we'll see if that changes once some mud and grit is added to the mix, but given how well X01 Eagle performed, I don't expect GX to be any different. The long term performanc and durability of GX Eagle is the only question that remains unanswered, which is why I'll be putting plenty of miles in on it over the course of the summer to find out.

bigquotesThe fact that a more affordable Eagle drivetrain came sooner than expected will be welcome news for anyone who was on the fence about purchasing a new drivetrain. It also means that we'll be seeing more 12-speed, single ring setups on relatively affordable bikes, pushing the front derailleur another step closer to extinction. Mike Kazimer



451 Comments

  • + 129
 take my money!!
  • + 12
 This. Having a worn out X01 cassette (the aluminium ring is folding over) and a less than perfect X1 derailleur on my bike, i'm really thinking about going GX Eagle when the time to change the chain (next spring) comes around. I'll have to change the cassette anyway and i want eagle, so... Smile

The only problem now is my 94 mm BCD crank and the lack of X-Sync 2 chainrings for this standard :/
  • + 58
 The first thing i did was scroll down to see how much the cassette costs.
  • - 6
flag whitebullit (Jun 8, 2017 at 7:13) (Below Threshold)
 crazy how the one gear youd want to be steel is the only gear thats aluminum. just picked up shimano xt 11 complete group with brakes for 620$ on crc.
  • + 13
 Shimano xt already did
  • + 7
 This looks awesome! Will make my X01 Eagle cassette replacement a little easier!
  • + 2
 So much this, GX Eagle will definitely be going on my new build. Any idea on availability?
  • + 3
 @SectionThirtyOne: Availability is slated for mid-July.
  • + 35
 @whitebullit

Why would you want the biggest one to be steel? Its the heaviest one already, and it would have the least amount of torque on it...

I feel like the real thing that stuck out to me was the part where it said, "The entire unit is held together with more than 100 stainless steel pins."

What could possibly go wrong??
  • + 3
 @Primoz: reading online it appears 11 sp x sync chainrings work with eagle
  • + 65
 Is anyone going to complain about how only Dental Assistance's can afford this now?
  • - 8
flag mtnbikeoc (Jun 8, 2017 at 7:40) (Below Threshold)
 @VTwintips: The 100 pins thing is worrisome. Those pins will creak without any lubrication. I'm already experiencing pin creaking with the XO Eagle cassette. Something that I hadn't dealt with since having a Shimano XT / XTR cassette with pins that needed lube.
  • + 15
 @VTwintips: Right. A $200 cassette held together with 100 pins. No, that won't ever creak.
  • + 5
 @Primoz: Look at Wolftooth or OneUp, you can change the alu sprocket. Did this on my X01 cassette, works fine for not so many bucks (and you can go for a 44 teeth)
  • + 1
 its called a granny !!!
  • + 3
 Ugly cranks but at least you can get 165mm unlike higher priced SRAM.
  • + 1
 @lawman91: But mr Lawman, how much is said build kit on pre order?
  • + 2
 @whitebullit: Wait, what? At 50 teeth on the big cog, there's a whole lot of spreading of load there; if my 11sp X1 cassette and/or derailleur go, I might still very much bite the bullet and pony up for a standard driver to switch over to 11sp XT or SLX instead of Eagle-antyhing simply because Shimano's stuff is just so smooth and bullet-proof - but it's not the aluminum cog that would make me do that.
  • + 2
 @VTwintips: I'm heavy, and put a fair amount of torque on my drivetrain - the X1 cassette that came with my bike has held up really well. No problem with the pinned parts. I ride all year, between 3 days a week (winter - Northwest grime/mud) and 6 days a week (summer - with lots of dust), and it's been a year and a half (I do replace chains when they start to stretch even a little - which seems to do wonders for cassette life). While I prefer the no-fuss nature of Shimano drivetrains, I can't fault the SRAM stuff based on my experience, and I don't think I'd shy away from the pinned cassette. I'd be more concerned with how resilient that derailleur will be in terms of needing constant adjustments and such (Shimano's stuff seems more tolerant in that regard).

That said - I do get a fair bit of creaking under load. I thought that was my BB - but I just got that replaced, and the creaking is still there. So that might have been the cassette all along?
  • + 21
 @mtnbikeoc: Incredible that you are experiencing "pin creak" in a monoblock cassette that is held together with zero pins
  • + 5
 @VTwintips: what is your chain held together with? Wink
  • + 1
 The X1 cassette isn't entirely machined aluminum, I believe it's just the highest three.
  • + 6
 @Benoi100: He was referring to the XO Eagle cassette, which has 11 steel cogs in a monoblock, and the 50t aluminum cog is bonded, not pinned.
  • + 1
 @VTwintips: Bec the big rings fold inwards over time rendering them useless. I'd imagine steel would be the stronger material but I'm not expert here. I have had this issue multiple times though,
  • + 1
 @Primoz: superstar components are making 12 speed chain rings for them
  • + 1
 @whitebullit: Isn´t it the little 10 tooth-cog that is worn first ?
  • + 1
 @Primoz: I'm in the same boat. Love my GX 11 spd, but this would be perfect.
  • + 5
 thinking they may drop the price of all 1x11, which could be brilliant
  • + 7
 Don't take my money because I just spent it on the following:

Sunrace MS3 11-42 £21
Shimano XT Chain £19
Works Oval Ring £10 (second but looks pretty damn good to me)
Uberbike Pulleys £20

NEW 10 SPEED DRIVE TRAIN FOR £70
  • + 1
 @g-42: the roller clutch on the sram RD's is a common source of creaking. This article about identifying creaks from a few years back is pure gold. www.pinkbike.com/news/tech-spotlight-identifying-and-correcting-rear-end-creaks.html
  • + 2
 @scary1: LOL... Assistants don't make that much... Trust me. Wink
  • - 4
flag maxjdewaele (Jun 8, 2017 at 12:42) (Below Threshold)
 @VTwintips: um least torque? Last time I checked torque is proportional to radius.
  • + 1
 @lee-vps-savage: In the US the prices for bikes and especially components are usually much cheaper. That is the price for Europe, Bike24 states 500eur is the suggested price (German store, although selling it for less).
  • + 3
 @whitebullit: the 50T is a bailout gear, i use a 32T ring with my 1x11 and cam manage the majority of the climbs, so the 50T would be seldom used. But it's still nice to have it. I therefore don't see much of a problem with it being aluminium, personally.

(TBH the 50T being steel, this cassette would weigh 600 g).
  • + 1
 @bugzju: i saw that, but the wolftooth is ~70 USD (plus shipping, probably), while a new GX 11spd cassette is 80 EUR. So i'm going the GX cassette way, but thinking about doing an upgrade along the way, that's my reasoning.

I don't really see the point in a 44T, if i could get a quality 42T replacement for say 50 €, I might go for it.
  • + 1
 @Thirealboss: I kind of want the original Sram chainring, i'm kind of a whore Big Grin

I don't see a reason why the 11spd stuff wouldn't work (apart from it doing the shark fin stuff on the teeth when they wear out), since the internal width of te chain didn't change.
  • + 1
 @Primoz: my mate runs the 11speed sram ring and has no problem, only problem I had was trying to get hold off an x-sync 2 direct mount 34t ring with 0 offset as I have the X01 bb30 cranks so I just got the superstar ring for 94 bcd it also has the hooked teeth, works great and is only £29.99 in many colours
  • + 1
 @mtnbikeoc: tighten your cassette up more... I had the same prob (and so do people with SRAM 11 speed) until I tightened it properly (needs high torque).
  • + 1
 @mtnbikeoc: check ur hub and make sure it has enough grease in there. Cause the cassette is not what is creaking.
  • + 1
 Every two wheeled suspended thinga hasn't gears attached to the wheel...just sain..
  • + 6
 That is one ugly crank
  • + 1
 @fossydh: No, because most folks are hardly in the 10t cog, and they're usually spun out, and applying almost no torque. You are correct that with equal use and torque, it would be the most susceptible to wear, but it generally doesn't see equal use or torque.
  • + 1
 @Dustfarter: glad someone understands...
  • + 1
 @bugzju: or a 49T Smile
  • + 1
 @Bendedwheel: and no other two wheeled suspended thinga isn't powered by a human, which makes drivetrain losses something you wouldn't want, but can still live with, at least with much less issues down the road than with a human powered device.
  • + 1
 @whitebullit: as someone who has experienced the folding over of aluminium chainring, i still don't think it's a good enough reason to go steel. At least not on a 50T. Like i said before, it's a bailout gear, so dimension your drivetrain to use the 11 steel gears 90+ % or 95+% of the time (time, not distance), use the 50T as the bailout gear, so you don't put huge power into it when doing steep climbs all the time, and you'll be golden.

I was thinking about going 34T with Eagle, but i'll more than likely stick with 32T, to just get an additional easier gear for really steep section or if i'm really tired. Otherwise the 42T will be used the most in the rear.

EDIT: the main reason not to go with steel on the 50T is ofcourse the weight, like i said. TBH if i was a part of the design team, i think i'd maybe look into the old Shimano system, where a 4-arm aluminium carrier was used to pin the sprockets to it. So that would make it possible to use a steel 50T ring, but only the outer, teeth portion, with the main torque transfer construction still made out of aluminium. But that would still probably mean at least 500 g for the cassette...
  • + 1
 @Primoz: as someone who runs dh casings on their trail bike, weights no concern of mine, reliability always comes first.
  • + 1
 @bugzju: Actually you can go 46T. Just did this on my X01 cassette
  • + 81
 So Budget Eagle....

Are we calling it Beagle?
  • + 38
 Well we are now
  • + 30
 Budget Eagle aka: Pidgeon
  • + 3
 @nyhc00: id have gone with a buzzard but pidgeon is fine Smile
  • + 6
 Naw. Seagull it is.
  • + 0
 Why not "cheagle"-cheap eagle?
Or "chicken", since you can actually buy it and still have money to eat?
  • + 2
 squab
  • + 4
 I don't care, I'm just happy its not another new fucking standard.
  • + 1
 Seagull
  • + 72
 10 speed with 30t chainring and 11/42 cassette is not dead!!
  • + 7
 I had that going on my previous bike and it functioned just as well as the 1x11 on my current bike. Do you have a Sun Race cassette?
  • + 30
 I'll just be over here in my cave, riding complaint-free on my 11-36 w/ 32t...
  • + 5
 Lol i can climb well on my Torque and i have 36t chainring and 11/36 cassete on it.
  • + 3
 10 speed, 30t with a 10/36 - short cage derailleur is all I need for where I live and what I do. 10/40 would be sweet.
  • + 2
 I thought Shimano was supposed to release an 11-42 cassette of their own. I just ordered an 11-spd SLX, but I was hoping to find the Deore 10-spd stuff. no luck and the only 10-spd stuff i could find on Jenson was more expensive (because XT).
  • + 2
 @kaeton-sf: that's what I have, love it
  • + 1
 I'm more of a 10 spd 32 x 11/36 guy myself. 2 hr climbs through Pisgah are the norm
  • + 26
 Let the dick show begin... Jurchek and LaXcarp are leading
  • + 1
 @logio just picked up that very combination, with the SunRace cassette in BLACK.
  • + 3
 Can confirm, 30 with one up conversioned 10-42 has been plugging away just fine.
  • + 1
 @MTBrent: That's all us cavemen will ever need.
  • + 1
 @jojotherider1977: 11-42T 10 speed shimano is coming with Deore M6000, but it was supposed to be released last month and still no word
  • + 2
 @Uuno: What's the point of posting anonymously on a MTB message board if you can't humble brag?! Technically Jurchek is winning because he is pushing a 36t
  • - 1
 I have to say, I have been running 10spd 11-40 xt on both bikes using a 40t xpander. Its been fine other than the change to the 40 is often less than smooth. My sunrace mx3 11-42 black with red spider arrived from bike discount this week so looking forward to that. Its the one fad I have zero interst in as I just dont see what the benefit to me is. 40t is making things easy and the range (other than to 50 here) is the same between 10 and 12 spd so where is my need? At least boost makes your wheels stronger (aledgedly), 35mm bars make them lighter (aledgedly) and 29er dh bikes are quick (not so aledgedly).
What supprises me about the sram block here is the alu 50t. It actually shocks me. I smash through those xpander rings for a past time. No thanks sram. Not for that money, even the crc version of that money.
  • + 1
 @twozerosix: Sunrace also makes an 8 speed 11-42 cassette.
  • + 1
 @MTBrent: Hellz yeah, man. That's what I'm still rocking, too.
  • + 1
 @Jurchek: where?
  • + 1
 @Uuno: I run 10 spd 32 x 11/34 ☺ (I just get off and push the steeper bits - no shame felt).
  • + 1
 Still have a 9 speed cassette on my wifes bike. With a 32 up front. I think it's a 32-11 out back. I think she wins
  • + 2
 Just don't let her know 12 speed is 'affordable'
  • + 2
 @Primoz: povsod kjer je treba????. Usen si je treba priznat da je to dh in pač se da zbrcat do vrh lokalne proge čist uredu. No pa mam tud 65 kil s postlo vred????
  • + 0
 Edit. Namest telih vprasajev bi mogl bit smajliji. Pa lep pozdrav!
  • + 1
 @zacklikesbikes: any idea on which Sram R. Derailure works for 11-40+ cassettes??
I got an used X7 type 2 etc.. works but I want to buy new.. just not $200+
  • + 1
 FWIW, wheel size plays a part for the dick show (I guess even crank length too). Any of you luddite's rocking 26" wheels will have an apparent advantage.

I however, am just average. Sunrace 11/40 with a 32T chainring, 650B. And it works great.
  • + 1
 @Jurchek: Iz lastnih izkušenj ti povem, da ni ene, da podelaš vse vzpone s 36-36. 32-36 je pain in the ass na lokalnem vzponu (makadam), 32-42T je po mojih izkušnjah no go na Zelenico (graničarska) al pa na vrh Sorške planine (od spodaj levo po grebenu na vrh sedežnice) pa še ene par takih lokacij se najde. Sploh pa pri 60 kg s pojstlo, ker enostavno ni kilaže. Tole je en zanimiv primer, kjer dodatna kilaža celo pomaga (če gre za stegenske mišice).

@tremeer023 no shame, but also no point when the technology enables you to ride. Which is a lot more ergonomic. On climbs, where there is no chance in riding, i tend to carry the bike on my shoulders, since' it's easier for me.
  • + 1
 @e-moto: GX 11spd derailleurs are under 100 EUR. The NX is probably just over 50 EUR.
  • + 1
 @Primoz: Ej sem mel na commencalu 30 zobnik spredi pa mi sploh ni blo všeč, men bl sede če gonem z manj obrati.
  • + 1
 @Primoz: waiting..for..the...Eagle..I..America..(Oct.)
  • + 1
 @e-moto: Apparently it's available in Germany, i was kinda ready to pull the trigger, but the carbon Descendant/Stylo cranks aren't available. The new aluminium cranks are available, but hate isn't a strong enough word to describe what i feel about their looks Smile
  • + 50
 $200 for a cassette is wallet friendly? I must live on another planet.
  • + 7
 Compared to an Eagle cassette..............
  • + 26
 @Stalkerfiveo: The Eagle cassette is unbelievably expensive, that does not make this cheap in any way.
  • + 22
 @Stalkerfiveo: if Ferrari came out with a minivan and the price was $100000 it would be a great value in comparison to its lineage... they successfully jaded this foolish market with Eagle. Well played sram you slippery devils
  • + 12
 Name a cheaper 10-50t cassette. You can always just go with XT if you just want a cheap 1x cassette.
  • + 25
 I like my $30 11-36 cassettes Smile
  • + 8
 @MTBrent: hell ya, 32 up front with 11-36 works perfect for me.
  • + 10
 I love how people will immediately give Shimano the benefit of "well street prices are 50% less", but with SRAM it's "the MSRP is the price now and forever."

11 speed GX cassettes were $150, but you can buy them online for $90.

Guess what- that $200 price tag is probably going to be $110-120 in street prices.
  • + 1
 @TheRaven: The Sram GX 11sp 10-42 is $99 as well
  • + 6
 @tsheep: That always happens. When Shimano released M8000 XT it went the other way. People were comparing the $120 cassette list price to a $130 street price GX cassette. I was yelling the same thing back then that you are now. No one cared. Now XT cassettes are $60 on the street and we are still doing this.
  • + 4
 @tsheep: the XT 11-46t cassette msrp is $109 so its already starting at an estimated street price of the GX. Jenson has the XT for $77.99
  • + 2
 I quite like my budget set up. NX rear der., GX shifter, XT casette. Since NX is designed to work with standard hubs you can put this set up on your non-boost bike.
  • + 11
 From now on I'll call Mercedes s-class an affordable car because Bugatti chiron is like ten times more expensive.
  • - 1
 @IluvRIDING: it does by comparison. There aren't any other 12-speed cassette options if you want to go the Eagle route.
  • + 1
 The first street price is 180 €: www.bike24.com/1.php?content=8;product=230949;menu=1000,2,82

It will drop further.
  • + 2
 @Primoz: 180€ is over the 195$ US retail so it hasn't dropped at all yet.
  • + 1
 @kanioni: US retail prices don't have tax included and also, the EU MSRP is 200 €. Thich means the cassette is selling 10 % under the MSRP before it's even available.

For example, bike24 is selling the XX! eagle cassette for 360 €, the MSRP is 458 €. The X01 cassette is sold for 310 €, the MSRP is 392 €. So the street price tends to be 20 % under the MSRP in this small sample size for the 'bleeding edge' technology.

Sadly there is no MSRP listed for the 11spd GX cassette (not even for the retail option XG-1150, bike24 says 140 €, but compared to other cassettes, their MSRPs are lower than Sram's), but the X1 cassette has an MSRP of 321 €, yet is sold by bike24 at 180 €. The numbers for the 11spd X01 are 385 € and 250 €.

See where i'm aiming at?
  • + 1
 @Primoz: fair enough mate Smile
  • + 40
 So 29er are fashionable again so that the Eagle Derailleur doesn't scrub the dirt.
  • + 9
 This might be the only reasonable explanation.
  • + 2
 Also 29ers usually require a lower gear to climb
  • + 2
 I am 37 and just LOL-ed to this comment. LOL.
  • + 0
 No problems with my 27.5s...
  • + 1
 @DrPete: I agree my insurgent loves the low grunt of eagle makes going up so much less painfull!
  • + 37
 Who really want/need Eagle transmission ? The derailleur is so long it scrapes the dirt. On 1x11 you mount a 30 or 32 chainring and you climb up everything, we're not pro-EWS riders who need to sprint downhill with a 38-9 gear.
  • + 7
 Agree ! Friend of mine bought an Eagle drivetrain, and is going back to 11spd 'cause of the too long cage.
  • + 4
 Yep. This.
  • + 27
 "Who really want/need Eagle transmission ?"

A subset of MTB riders that don't live in France apparently...
  • + 8
 @Sardine: Can't believe I'm saying this but I agree with the frenchman! If you're spinning out the top end of a 1x11 then whether it's an event or not you're racing :p for just dicking about in the woods the longer cage is definitely a hindrance
  • + 4
 How about people that have knee problems and/or don't want to tear up their knees because they don't care about climbing fast, but want to retain the top end speed? Where I live, there's plenty of steep 15-20% climb sections that are a bear to get up. I rather spin in an extremely easy gear than mash my knees up the hill or get off and walk.
  • + 7
 Maybe some people aren't as strong a climber as you?
Maybe some people live in places with much steeper, much longer climbs than you?

There are plenty of places where you need to pedal on the road to get to/from your local trail.
If I run a 30x 11-42 it wears out super fast no matter what brand. More teeth is more teeth. In theory more teeth means spreading the wear out better.

Eagle with a 34t chainring makes sense to me on paper. Crushing $500 cassettes not so much. But now there's this cheaper option.
  • + 3
 Upvoted and I agree. 11 speed is enough. I didn't find myself needing more.
  • + 3
 Wish I could give multiple up votes to this comment bro!
  • + 4
 Totally agree. 11 speed with a 30 or 32 provides plenty of range and the biggest cogs are already too much of a jump IMO. I'd be interested in 12 speed if the cassettes were offered with the same range as 11 but with tighter ratios like what you got with road bikes when they went to 10 and then 11 speeds. I get the need for riders who aren't in good shape, but a tighter cluster would be more appealing for riders with decent fitness.
  • + 2
 I need it. I spin out 30-10 with 29s on singletrack all the time. I'm hitting the trigger with nowhere to go. Should I be going faster? Probably not.
  • + 1
 The only thing that attracts me to the Eagle is a smoother and quieter drivetrain. As if the SRAM horizon RD's didn't stick out from the bike enough now it's got to hang so low to the ground.

I wonder if you could take the 50t off the eagle cassette and run an 11x sram rd? That seems like the best of both worlds to me.
  • + 7
 Interesting--never seen my derailleur cage scrape the dirt, and it's awfully nice to have a lower gear to bail out to on long climbs here in the Pacific NW. But then again I'm 110kg all geared up and have never been a great climber. Thankfully we can all choose the drivetrains that work best for our needs.
  • + 3
 I knew it. Eagle and 29ers are part of the same industry conspiracy! Wagon wheels needed unless you want to replace your rear derailleur every other rock garden. Where does it end!?
  • + 0
 Not everyone rides in the same conditions as you do. Some people pedal miles on the road to get to the trail (gasp!) and have the legs to cruise at 20mph, then head up rough, sustained climbs of greater than 20% grade. You'd need the range too.
  • + 0
 @NotAnotherClimb: Get frecking ebike!
  • + 1
 @captaintyingknots:
Indeed. At 30t I look like a pansy
  • + 2
 @themountain: What a dumb response. Less exercise, increased weight, banned most places, etc.
  • + 1
 That's what I was thinking. While I have a 11 speed on one bike, the other one has a 10-40 with a Saint short cage. I wouldn't say it is flawless as on the 11 it is a bit slack, but it works fine.

Nice clearance. Paired with a HammerSchmidt gives a range of slow 22/40 fast 36/11 ....
Yeah, it is heavy .. and the overdrive makes sure I have to barely have to use the 11, not that I ever dropped a chain.
  • + 32
 Can it backpedal?
  • + 15
 Chainline will play a part in that equation, but on the Trek Slash I have the GX Eagle mounted to there are no issues with back pedaling in the easiest gears.
  • + 1
 If you have a proper chainline, you shouldn't have any backpedaling issues. Smile I don't on my current Eagle setup, in any gear.
  • + 8
 I would expect the same results as 11-speed drivetrains. It only happens on certain bikes with certain drivetrains because it's a chainline issue. So if the problem existed on a particular bike with 11-speed, it's probably going to happen with 12-speed too.
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flag WAKIdesigns (Jun 8, 2017 at 7:47) (Below Threshold)
 @BaeckerX1: bollocks. What is proper chainline? I have 46mm on non boost bike. Is it proper? On standard 49mm I was dropping chain when ratcheting on climbs, having first edition of 11-42 XT cassette. It got noticeably better on 11-40 XTR 9001 (second edition). So yes if you space in your chainring 2-4mm it's going to work. Hello to spiderless interface owners. You're onto the lottery
  • + 5
 I have 0 issues backpedaling on my X01 Eagle on my SC Bronson.
  • + 0
 @WAKIdesigns: Proper is whatever works.

I've never had backpedaling issues on 11 speed or 12 speed 1x drivetrains on my Marin Attack Trail, but my girlfriend has issues on her Specialized Stumpjumper FSR 650 1x11 backpedaling and dropping chains in the highest gears because it was a 2x conversion. Even with the chainring spaced in you can tell it's less than ideal just by looking at the chain angle. But it shifts fine so she hasn't bothered to buy a dedicated 1x crank.

I just aim for the straightest chain in the middle gears. That being said, whenever I've bought a complete drivetrain designed to work together and set it up proper for my bike, I've never had an issue. Most of the issues I've seen are with 1x conversions or hacked together setups.
  • + 1
 My Stumpy 6Fattie with GX11 wont backpedal at all. You cant even roll the bike backwards without the chain jumping down 3 or 4 cogs on the cassette.
  • + 1
 @TheRaven: That's my one gripe with my Process - the chainline will cause backpedaling issues even with 11sp. You just can't get the chain ring any closer in because of how the chainstay runs (I've tried spacers, but then had the ring rubbing on the stay).
  • + 1
 @WAKIdesigns: If your frame allows that - Process 111, for example, has clearance issues there. You simply can't get the ring spaced in to do away with the alignment issue because it'll rub on the chainstay. Luckily, it's annoying but doesn't really hinder functionality - you can packpedal about a half a turn (enough for ratcheting up obstacles) without it become a problem.
  • + 2
 No issues backpedaling on my Sram NX on my Mojo 3.
  • + 0
 At first I never had problems on my x1 mech / x01 cassette setup. Second if you look at Eagle cassettes (no matter what model) then you realize that largest two sprockets have inner surface of them made with narrow wide profile so chains runs perfectly straight on the sprocket when you pedal backwards...
  • + 2
 Will it blend?
  • + 3
 Yes but you won't be moving forward Smile
  • + 7
 Why the f are people back pedaling? quit fiddlejacking around and pedal in the direction that does something.
  • + 3
 @robertg620: I would not expect climbing skill from Eagle proponent...
  • + 1
 Every 11 sp drivetrain I've had dropped off the 42 when backpedalling to position the pedals to get restarted on a tough climb. Neither of the two Eagle drivetrains I've ridden have this problem.
  • + 1
 @robertg620: Have you ever been mountain biking? Maybe a fixie would be more your speed.
  • + 4
 I havent. I'm only here to impress people I dont know.
  • + 1
 @sinister28:
Huh? What are you talking about? I don't see the point and importance of pedaling backward? I mean I've done like half rotation back pedal to get to a good foot position, but i don't understand why pedaling backwards and mtb have to do with each other? Lol.i only pedal forwards bud, my freewheel works one way. My next ride I'm going to backpedal every downhill to see what the fuss is about.
  • + 1
 @WAKIdesigns:
Evidently we need a hub with a reverse gear inside so these people can get off on backpedaling and get somewhere
  • + 1
 @sinister28:
I think I took that too literal lol
  • + 1
 @robertg620: Well I back pedal a lot on my climbs since Certain climbs require more than just pedalling, you need to do hopping, rocking, often lift the front wheel for a short wheelie to get over a rock step. In some places I need to do a wheelie drop or get over a log, it takes backpedaling and ratcheting to get the sweet foot forward. If I was climbing fireroads I'd get 46 rear cassette to comfortably pedal 36t front. If I had Eagle I would need 40t front which is fkng silly.
  • + 1
 @WAKIdesigns:
I do that too sometimes, I guess I haven't had a bike that doesn't backpedal, and my drivetrain is always in tune. People are focusing on it like backwards pedaling is what makes it go. I suppose if you did the half rotation backpedal before a log and your chain got all caddywhompus that would suck
  • + 1
 @robertg620: it does suck. Also I don't like giving up on climbs if I spin out. And restarting is a pain in the arse when chain gets dropped.
  • + 1
 @robertg620: If you run 30 front, then 1/2 crank rotation backwards means 15/42 or a little more than 1/3 of a rotation of the big cog on an 11sp cassette. With an extreme chain angle, if you assume that the chain starts derailing on the cassette at the top of the cassette from the get go of when you start backpedaling, with 1/2 of the cog being in touch with the chain, you now have 1/6th of the teeth on that 42 cog still engaged with the chain. If you now push forward, hard (as you would when you're ratcheting on a climb), that will probably be just fine (as in, you won't end up with your chain in knots) - it's more like downshifting under load (which is something modern drivetrains are incredibly forgiving of, compared to how things used to be).

That squares with my experience - a bit of ratcheting is fine. It also explains why people with 12sp 50T Eagle cassettes report fewer issues backpedaling - there are a few more teeth there to engage the chain. Yep, a little more wear on the chain and the cassette if you're powering up stuff with so few teeth engaged - but then you also don't do that all the time, most of your time on the granny cog would be spent in steady grinding mode. It also, however, squares with what I'm experiencing if I have to go back more than 1/2 crank rotation - then, things get a little awkward and sound a bit awful.

It's all about chainline, though - if your frame allows you to run a crank/ring setup that brings the ring further in, you can very much fix that sort of thing. If it does't (like with my Process), you just have to live with it. Not killing me, just a bit annoying.
  • + 1
 @g-42: I have had 11-speed bikes with the drop issue, and I have had 11-speed bikes without it. Despite the fact that I ride some pretty dang gnarly terrain, it has never been a problem in practice. I have alot of trouble envisioning how this would ever be a problem because when i'm in the biggest cog, I am climbing some serious shit. I'm talking about the kind of serious shit where if I let up on the pedals even slightly, i'm stopped. No chance for ratcheting or backpedaling for any reason. If I let up, i'm pushing. OR i'm completely spent from countless miles of climbing...but in that case, if I hit a pebble i'm done. So no chance for ratcheting there either. The only ratcheting I ever do is well into the middle of the cassette.
  • + 1
 That problem was solved when the half "wide/narrow" tooth was added
  • + 1
 @g-42:
I heard of the problem before, but I didn't know it was such a common problem. I run a race face inset 30t n/w with a 10 speed one up converted cassette 42-10(11?) with a xt 11speed derailleur. No problems at all. When it wears out I can bump up to 11 speed completely. At the same time, id almost rather have a 10 with big jumps between gears but that's not happening lol.
  • + 17
 Slx, 11 speed vs this. Why do I want eagle?
  • + 3
 Same as that
  • - 12
flag Ninjasstolemytv (Jun 8, 2017 at 7:10) (Below Threshold)
 compare gx to xt, rather. and if you wanna know why it's because xt shifting feels like shite
  • + 1
 You don't. See my post below.
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 @Ninjasstolemytv: xt feels like a
Shit? I'll take that poo bath anyday.
  • + 0
 @VwHarman: XT feels very sharp and is generally not as nice as my gx which feels buttery. I was down with xt 10s, but something went wrong with the new xt.
  • + 4
 gear range is bigger for eagle. you still get your granny gear, and a higher top end
  • + 6
 @Ninjasstolemytv: GX is an SLX competitor. Just because it's more expensive than XT doesn't mean it's as good.
  • + 3
 @TheRaven: what did sram do to hurt you
  • + 5
 That's like asking should I buy a Prius or a Corvette. Both will drive you places... XT vs GX, you'll prob save some money with XT, and you'll get a wider gear range with GX. Some prefer Shimano shifting feel, some prefer Sram. I personally prefer Shimano, but I have X01 Eagle because of the range. Apples to Oranges.
  • + 1
 2 rings front, 9 rings rear = 18 gears. Why do I want eagle?
  • - 1
 @tgent: Shimano is stuck in the dark ages with their 30 year old freehub. Be hard pressed to build up a new boost rear wheel with a Shimano freehub.
  • + 0
 Shimano feels like shit especially after some use, very vulnerable to dirt needs fresh housings very often, derailleurs have problems with seized clutches that get stuck and affect gear changing and cassettes are plain anchors...
  • + 5
 @b-wicked: its funny as I have consistently had the opposite experience and have stopped using sram as I am fed up warrantying it all the time.
Equally, I have always found sram to be very sharp and shimano to be softer
  • + 1
 @karoliusz: Because you can't get a 30-50 gear ratio on a 2x9.
  • + 7
 @seraph: 22-34 does the same job
  • + 1
 @karoliusz: technically a single speed would do the same job, but Eagle does provide certain climbing gears that are otherwise unattainable with other drivetrain setups.
  • + 3
 @seraph: If I have 18 gears it's more than 12 gears, so I have some climbing gears which are unattainable for eagle.
  • + 1
 @karoliusz: Nope. Even if you're using 11-34 cassette, Eagle has more range on either end. You're forgetting about overlaps in gearing
ritzelrechner.de/?GR=DERS&KB=22,34&RZ=11,13,15,17,20,23,26,30,34&UF=2240&TF=90&SL=2.6&UN=KMH&GR2=DERS&KB2=32&RZ2=10,12,14,16,18,21,24,28,32,36,42,50&UF2=2240
  • + 12
 To me, it's not the gearing that is ridiculous, it's that we keep adding more and more gears. You can easily have a 500% 10 or 11 speed system, and it won't have to cost so much. E13 and Hope are on the right track, IMO, with their "race" cassettes.

SRAM is milking Eagle for all it's worth before the gearbox shoots it out of the sky. Unsprung weight is a real issue, and it's totally noticeable by your average joe rider
  • + 1
 I just purchased the GX groupset with that huge cassette, and was thinking just how would it affect suspension work. Haven't had a chance to ride it yet, can You tell me what is it You're noticing?
  • + 13
 They are some ugly cranks
  • + 1
 Looks like an 'uncut' ... errrmm ... Session let's say.
  • + 1
 @magiko9: love the drivetrain, not the looks
  • + 2
 I was looking for this comment lol. They are indeed.
  • + 1
 Are they better than the old alloy 1400 cranks, or just cheaper?
  • + 13
 XT is still a better deal.
  • + 9
 XT will always be a better deal.
  • + 8
 And a better quality groupset too.
  • - 4
flag CodeBlue (Jun 8, 2017 at 20:57) (Below Threshold)
 @magiko9: better as in heavier and less range?

SRAM by a long shot
  • + 3
 @CodeBlue: Man I am not a Shimano fanboy or Sram hater. I use both on my bikes. I said XT will be a better 'deal' and that is because SRAM pricing is ridiculous. If you can justify $200 for a budget Sram cassette with 100+ pins then I have nothing to say.
  • + 3
 @CodeBlue: No, better as in higher quality, better reliability, and lower price.
  • + 0
 @magiko9: not true on price.

I think it it funny when guys compare XT that is being blown on special to full SRAM retail. Real world / street pricing is comperable.

Agree that SRAM is hit and miss with some of their products. Sometimes that is a byproduct of an innovative company.

Shimano is behind the times....just look at their "new" dropper post.
  • + 12
 Throwing my wallet at the screen but nothing is happening.
  • + 4
 Oh, you need to upgrade to 4K first. And make sure your HDMI cables are compatible with your display.
  • + 6
 Turn off your wallet then turn it on again
  • + 1
 Put the card in the disc drive man, screen does nothing
  • + 7
 1 x 10 still ok for me but for those that like dinner plate gears then at leasts its cheaper now. Thats a heavy cassete though. being serious though why do we need such crazy gearing these days. I have run single ring chainrings since 94 back when 1x8 was a thing when all i pretty much rode was xc with loads of climbs so why such huge gears. That's a genuine question...is it to do with helping to overcome the small increase in extra torque required to turn larger 29 wheels uphill or something.
  • + 6
 It's cuz people want riding bikes to be easier. Funny thing is, you reach a point where more gears doesn't make it easier, but I guess people are buying it anyway...
  • + 7
 I have a GX derailleur and shifter but XT cassette. I haven't met someone who's had a lower-than-XX1 pinned SRAM cassette that doesn't start creaking eventually. 100 pins is a lot of potential for creaks. I'll replace my cassette with another 11-46 XT cassette when the time comes for this very reason. Shimano's lower-than-XTR cassettes are better than SRAM's lower-than-XX1 cassettes. Unfixable creaks suck.
  • + 4
 XX1 isn't the only cassette without pins haha.
  • + 2
 @andnyleswillriot: really? I thought XO1 and down was pinned at least partially.
  • + 19
 I've got a press fit BB and so hopefully the creak from that will be directly inverse to the creak from the cassette and so cancel it out.
  • + 2
 @gumbytex: no X01 is the same as xx1 just with out the fancy coating . In fact the eagle cassette are both classed as xx1 just ones black and one is gold with a fancy hard wearing coating.
  • + 2
 @bigtim: hahahahahahahaha unfortunately I don't think that's how it works.
  • + 1
 @Davidr17s: hows that then?
  • + 1
 @chriskink: of one thing creaks and so does something else they don't cancel out.

"I've got a press fit BB and so hopefully the creak from that will be directly inverse to the creak from the cassette and so cancel it out."
  • + 1
 @Davidr17s: i was only answering gumbytex who said the x01 cassette was partly pinned together which it isn't. Good luck with your creak chap.
  • + 6
 SRAM Eagle? Nah. How about e13 trsr 9-46 11spd Cassette, box one shifter and derailleur. 50g heavier than XX1 eagle and more range $600 MSRP. Best drivetrain money can buy, and the cassette is sold in 3 parts so if you wear out your low end you can just replace that section.
  • + 5
 I have the 9-46t on my bike with X01 trigger and X1 mech. It shifts pretty good but then I tried a bike with X01 Eagle and the shifts are way more buttery smooth. I'll hang on to my current setup for now....
  • + 3
 @mikeyin19: Good to know. Anyone with experience running the e13 9-46t with a shimano shifters and derailleurs? I've read the PB review and jensons reviews but would be interested in any other first hand accounts. The weight of the construction, weight, gear spread of the e13 stuff is very attractive. I love the idea of an 11spd 9-44. The massive derailleur hanger needed to accommodate the pie place on the eagle stuff just seems a little to prone to getting wrecked IMO...
  • + 1
 @TerrapinBen: I have the 9-46 e-thirteen with full m8000 on one bike and full m8000 with m8000 cassette with blackspire 45t expander cog on another bike and the Ethirteen seems to shifter better. The chain and chainline are the same. Both have been in use a season and seem to be wearing well but I spread my usage between a few bikes so it takes a while for the stuff to wear. Awesome that you can buy the Ethirteen in separate parts. No creaking from either.
  • + 10
 A bunch of my brain cells commited suicide reading down this far.
  • + 4
 The overall price seems pretty reasonable for a complete drivetrain...until I saw the price of the cassette...maybe I've just been spoiled by the price of the SRAM DH cassette all these years... I may just consider this purchase to update my old Rocky Mountain Pipeline. Thank you SRAM!
  • - 3
 I assume you can still go for the NX cassette which is basically half that price Smile
  • + 3
 Oh, nevermind Big Grin
  • + 3
 Right now that's pretty dang good for a 10-50t cassette. Yeah it's expensive but where can you get that range cheaper? Even the OneUp Shark setup on an XT cassette is like $240, and that's 11-speed.
  • + 2
 @Padded: NX is 11 speed.
  • + 3
 @TheRaven: you should consider checking out Garbaruk's 10-50 (coming out soon) 11 speed cassette! At about $250, you get a cassette that's built like the xx1 plus a modified derailleur cage. Right now their 11-50 cassette is available for ordering and it weighs only 299 grams!
  • + 4
 @RaCmAn: I have the Shark kit on XTR right now and it's perfect. The weight is a non-issue for me as i'm running 1100g armored-sidewall tires.
  • + 4
 I have been considering upgrading to 11spd or 12spd mainly because the 11 - 42 (10spd) I am using now comes short on the descends when combined with a 30T chainring...

Having a 50T at the back makes perfect sense to me because I can then run a 34 chain ring up front without having to walk on steep climbs which are part of the everyday riding routine.
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flag WAKIdesigns (Jun 8, 2017 at 7:17) (Below Threshold)
 If you ride 34 to 50, you may as well walk the climbs... they should make a bike carrier back pack to save people the frustration. Also considering you live in Greece, I'd push the bike if only due to temperature and needing to carry sht loads of water.
  • + 2
 Exactly my struggle right now. I just recently got this drivetrain though so should I really drop more on it? Put a 32t on and struggle slightly on the climbs? Get a 1up 49T kit and a 34T chainring? Get a 46T cassette? Either way, it's going to be at least $150 with new cassette, chain and chainring, or more to go 1up. How do I explain to my wife? To my banker? To my conscience?
  • - 6
flag WAKIdesigns (Jun 8, 2017 at 7:37) (Below Threshold)
 @colemanb: get ripped in the gym, she'll love that plan. You may also give low gear a chance for 3 months... very few people do.
  • + 14
 @WAKIdesigns: Great idea, people like me, who slightly struggle with 28/42 on a 29er, which is an even lighter gear compared to 34/50, would be very greatful. Or I just take the lighter gearing and don't give a shit about the lurking internet heroes, who always run a harder gear than yourself, no matter your gearing. "What, I ride up to Machu Picchu with 76/9! Twice a day, you lousy bum. You weak. I strong. You suck. What do you want a lighter gear for?" Ya know, that kind of stuff, pretty poor...
  • + 0
 @WAKIdesigns: Brexit is a failure if guys from Greece can afford to buy 12 speed!
  • + 2
 @hellequine yep I see 30/11 coming short. If you haven't yet, I suggest you try oval chainrings : my biggest possible ring is 32 round or a 34t oval, and the 34 is then better than 32 for descending.

Going from 30 to 32 is 6.7% difference.
30/42 to 34/50 is 5% I think,
So a bigger oval ring helps cheat quit a bit
  • + 2
 @ArturoBandini: I live in Peru and know exactly what you are talking about because I don't exactly have strong legs but still wanna ride the hell of our mountain region lol, we have 4,200-4,800 masl mountain passes and they are very enjoyable.
  • + 4
 At current street prices, it's $90 more than XT, 60g lighter, and has an extra gear for 500% range vs. 420%. XX1/X01 Eagle is the best mechanical shifting available. If GX is similar, I'm not seeing a compelling reason to opt for XT, except perhaps cassette replacement cost.
  • - 7
flag TheRaven Plus (Jun 8, 2017 at 8:16) (Below Threshold)
 But once again, GX is not an XT competitor. XT is a higher-level groupset (like X1). It's GX vs. SLX.

So in this case you are saying a lesser groupset is $90 MORE. Now it is 10-50t and XT is 11-46t, but you can always throw the OneUp Shark kit on XT and have the same range as GX Eagle, better materials (being it's a higher-level groupset) and be in the same price range.
  • + 12
 @TheRaven: I disagree. 11-speed GX is lighter and has more range than XT. Shift quality is at least as good. 12-speed GX is simply better across the board. It's not marketing that dictates what competes with what.

The OneUp kit adds $125 to XT (not to mention voiding Shimano's warranty). It's still less compelling than GX Eagle.
  • + 1
 @alexdi: It's not a matter of opinion, as i'm not talking about subjective points. I'm simply stating which SRAM lines are marketed against which Shimano lines.

I disagree with you, and I have all kinds of opinions on this that i'm not even addressing. I personally use the Shark Kit on an XTR setup and I can't possibly see how anyone could honestly find GX remotely comparable, let alone better. It's absolute insanity if you ask me. But again, that's not what I was addressing.
  • + 6
 @TheRaven: "GX is not an XT competitor."

This is an opinion. I, and the rest of us voting with our wallets, think otherwise. It doesn't matter how they're positioned in the marketplace. "GX is marketed as an SLX competitor" might be a fact. (I don't know or care.)

Drivetrains narrow to four factors to me: weight, shifting quality in varying conditions, durability, and cost, in that order. Relative to XT, GX wins the first two, ties the third, and the cost difference is insignificant relative to the rest of the bike.
  • - 3
 @alexdi: GX IS the competitor for SLX. Period. It's not an opinion. If we were to get into talking about whether XT is actually better than GX, that would be opinions. But the FACT is that GX is SRAM's competitor for SLX, and X1 is SRAM's competitor for XT.

And I already said this but I disagree with you. I have to go to XX1 to find better quality and durability than XT in SRAM's line. X1 and below does not hold a candle. Now that's an opinion.
  • + 25
 @TheRaven, I hate to burst your bubble, but GX is most definitely a competitor for XT. Why wouldn't it be? The price and weights are in the same ballpark - there's no hard and fast rule that that the second tier component in one company's lineup absolutely must be compared against the second tier component in their competitor's lineup.
  • + 5
 "420%" tho
  • - 6
flag TheRaven Plus (Jun 8, 2017 at 10:09) (Below Threshold)
 @mikekazimer: It's not about rules Mike. It's simply an observation on how each company has positioned it's lines. We can argue all day about this but the fact is that XX1/XO1 is SRAM's halo line as XTR is Shimano's. Then you can step down from there.

Now, as mentioned perhaps SRAM is trying to position GX to compete with XT in the 12-speed generation. Fine. But we can't really see that until Shimano's new lines are released.
  • + 8
 @TheRaven: Dude, do you work for Shimano? Cadillac is GM's halo line; doesn't mean it compares to a Bugatti (VW's halo line). Why do you care how anything is "positioned?"
  • - 1
 @alexdi: Audi is VW's halo line. Bugatti is a completely different relationship.
  • + 1
 @TheRaven: No. Bugatti is Volkswagen Auto Groups halo line.Or maybe Lamborghini? take your pick. or maybe we go with Porsche?
  • + 0
 @biker245: This a very poor analogy. XX1 is called "SRAM XX1". It's a model that SRAM produces. XTR is called "Shimano XTR", a model produced by Shimano. Bugatti is it's own brand...it's not "Volkswagen Bugatti". Bugatti is a business entity owned by Volkswagen. XX1 and XTR are not business entities, they are products.
  • + 1
 @TheRaven: Since the car thing is clearly a distraction, let's circle back. Why do you care how anything is "positioned?"
  • + 0
 @alexdi: I don't. This got hugely blown up. All I did was point out that (until now at least) GX is/was an SLX competitor. People keep comparing GX to XT because it's priced closest to XT but that completely ignores the fact that XT is a notch above GX...which is why SRAM has X1.

There is alot more to a drivetrain than price and weight. I can't speak for you but I can say that for me, reliability and quality are far more important than weight and price. That's where heirarchy matters.
  • + 1
 @TheRaven: "XT is a notch above GX." Says who? Yet again, reliability and quality have nothing to do marketing.
  • + 4
 @TheRaven: Reliability and quality are in the eye of the beholder, whereas price and weight are objective.

If SRAM and Shimano both produces groupset that are of a similar price and weight, that is by definition its competitor. Now, you may think XT is superior (reliability, quality of assembly), while some others might think GX is superior (range, weight, innovation), but those would be a question of preference.

It's like saying a VW Golf is not a competitor to a Subaru Impreza. One might say the VW has a more premium feel, while other might think the Subaru is more reliable, but clearly, as both are comparable in price and format, they are direct competitors.
  • + 2
 @TheRaven: i have to say I agree with you here. Its not about weight or price. Its about fashion and full bike speccing by companies.
The simple reality is that the majority of you will subconsciously judge a bike as lower level for having this or slx. You know it will be a solid rig but a more budget concious one.
Its that age old senario where bikes come with deore/slx / x5/x7 drivetrains then XT / X9 rear mechs to make them look better.
You will buy this as the 'sensible shoes' option rather than the dream build. Like a pair of crocs. Comfy and practical if not a bit pricy but not quite Nikes!
Equally stuff is so good, its not about xt v GX v what ever, its about what your own preferences for shifting feel are. Your either a shimano rider or a sram one. You either like that smooth slight vaugness or srams click smash. Thats what matters, not the groupset levels.
  • - 1
 @alexdi: SRAM and Shimano, that's who.

We're just wasting time at this point. If you like GX better than XT, great. That's what matters. I'm simply pointing out that both companies have a heirachy of drivetrains. Different levels for different budgets, and XT is Shimano's attempt to offer a higher-level drivetrain to those who can only afford GX.

We are literally arguing over facts. Facts that aren't even that important. None of this is going to change your mind or my mind.
  • + 1
 @guycharlesvalois: But Volkswagen and Subaru ARE competitors. Comparing a Subaru to an Audi would be a better metaphor to use, as they are not meant to compete directly. Does that mean they can't be cross-shopped? No. Just that you are going to get alot more in an Audi than you are a Subaru. Now let's say Audi dropped their prices to undercut Subaru's prices. Are Audi's now the same level automobile as Subaru?
  • + 0
 @alexdi:
Cadillac has been an old persons trash can for years now. I mean the new ones like the cts-v and all that are really good, but still you have to say you drive a Cadillac. If you're young and not ghetto, you just knocked 5 points off your out of ten attractiveness scale. The best thing gm churned out lately is the corvette(whose styling looks to boy racer for me now) and the upper end camaros. I think bugattis aren't too great either(what does my opinion matter though, il never afford one) they're fat, ugly, and meh. If I had that money I'd go koenigsegg. Still too flashy.i want raw, light, thrilling.Why am I telling you any of this? I don't know. You had a good comparison going and I just like cars and wanted to say something. Discard this useless information.
  • + 7
 $200 448g cassette, kindly f*ck off SRAM
  • + 2
 It's gonna sell for $200, so SRAM will sell it for $200. Why would they do anything else.
  • + 7
 SUN RACE cassettes all the way!!!
  • + 2
 the 11-50 sunrace cassette is 526g
  • + 3
 @poah: approximately half the weight of your rear tire. You seriously have an issue with that?
  • + 0
 @TheRaven: its the cost for the weight, if it was XT price then I'd maybe consider it for my son's bike.
  • + 1
 OEM price will be closer to XT. Unfortunately SRAM doesn't allow to sell their drivetrain at OEM prices, like Shimano does.
  • + 5
 600 miles of really hard riding..I have not had to touch my drive train not even adjustment!! GX stuff is really good
  • + 5
 @mikekazimer would be interested to see a chart comparing weight to X01... Do you guys have those weights?
  • + 13
 We sure do - here you go: www.pinkbike.com/photo/14813067
  • + 2
 @mikekazimer: Thank you!!!
  • + 1
 @mikekazimer: that XO1 total weight looks wrong - the total says it includes the BB weight, but the crank pic here suggests that the crank weight in the spreadsheet is without the BB? www.bikerumor.com/2016/03/24/sram-xx1-x01-eagle-specs-actual-weights
  • + 1
 @mikekazimer: will Eagle work with a 11 speed x-sync chain ring? Know quite a few people that have carbon XO cranks and worn out drive trains!
  • + 1
 @MX298: Not officially, but a new Eagle chainring will certainly work with an older SRAM crank
  • + 4
 "The entire unit is held together with more than 100 stainless steel pins".
The Titanic had 3 million, and it sank,
irrelevant comment , sorry .
  • + 2
 For me, with my fitness level, on my RIP9 and on the trails I ride, my 11-speed 30T-10/42 is all the gearing I need. I just can't justify the added weight that Eagle will add for a gear or two that only help me on 2-3% of my ride. Good to see the trickle down, but I won't be 'upgrading' any time soon.
  • + 2
 Vital write up is interesting to read after reading this one. Seems like it doesn't shift great, but it's cheap. People are going to eat this up. Also sounds like it's going to be coming on everything OEM. Look at the new Nomad builds. All SRAM. Shimano needs to wake up.
  • + 3
 Already have carbon cranks. Can my current 11sp chain-ring be used? If so, I am definitely interested in seeing pricing on a "mini group" of just the cassette, shifter, derailleur and chain.
  • + 3
 yes cranks and chainring don't care, 12speed chain has no issues on xx1 stuff.
  • + 2
 I've got a nice XX1 crank also and the crank will work. However, I would change the chainring on the crank to take advantage of the mud shedding and wear benefits of the new teeth design (assuming it's not all marketing fluff).
I might keep my cranks but change to a GX Eagle chainring, GX Eagle cassette, X01 Eagle Derailleur, and X01 Eagle trigger!!
  • + 2
 I reckon sram is beating shimano in the mtb grouppo market right now. Shimano can't hold a candle to the value for money of nx and in the higher end, I don't think anyone cares about shimano's 2x, di2 or ugly cassettes. Plus I've personally been underwhelmed by XT's shifting feel and also reckon sram's clutch system is much better. I don't really care for 12spd, but if I had to pick between gx and XT right now, the extra gear is enough to win me over. Sorry shimano, but it's 1x country
  • + 10
 I dunno, on Jenson a 1x11 SLX 11-42 setup is 154 USD and an SLX/XT 11-46 setup is 179 USD. Pretty much 1/2 the price of GX Eagle
  • + 5
 M8000 shifts beautifully
  • + 8
 Personally nx feels noticeable cheap to me. I'd never want to run that set up. Gx is the best deal from sram but I'd rather have xt than gx for the similar price.
  • + 11
 Do you even shift, bro?

Literally no objective statement you made is in any way correct. Nothing. EVERY SINGLE Shimano groupset is significantly cheaper than SRAM's equivalent. Shimano wins on value in every single case.

About shift feel, you are definitely in the minority on that one. But that is your opinion so I can't fault you there.
  • - 4
flag Ninjasstolemytv (Jun 8, 2017 at 8:10) (Below Threshold)
 @TheRaven: "significantly cheaper". You are in some way right tho, I got the pricing of slx wrong. But I'm not seeing slx on the same price range that nx is specced on for oem anywhere.
  • + 2
 @Ninjasstolemytv: That's true, because SLX is a GX competitor. NX is Deore level.

Quick review:
XX1/XO1 = XTR
X1 = XT
GX = SLX
NX = Deore
  • - 4
flag abraconn192 (Jun 8, 2017 at 9:34) (Below Threshold)
 @TheRaven: I don't think sram is releasing a x1 gruppo this time around. Therefore:

xx1 eagle/x01 eagle=xtr
Gx eagle =xt
Nx= slx
  • + 5
 @abraconn192: Ok that's possible, but if we are limiting the discussion to the 12-speed generation, we have to wait and see what Shimano releases in 12-speed...if anything. Rumors have them skipping 12-speed completely, but even if those rumors aren't true, we may see a completely different lineup from them.
  • - 1
 @TheRaven: it falls more like this bud

XX1/XO1 =
X1 = XTR
GX = XT
NX= SLX
Deore
  • + 9
 @biker245: Price? Yes. Quality? Nope.
  • - 2
 @TheRaven: Price? Yes. Weight? Yes. Quality? subjective.
  • + 2
 @TheRaven: I haven't seen someone downvoted this hard since the days of Protour or when I used to talk politics & economics on PB. Give it up.

@everyoneelse: If you're building a new drivetrain, its a no brainer GX Eagle over anything Shimano has to offer.

I strongly prefer the ergonomics of Shimano. Once you leave the parking lot and get some mud in your system, Shimano does shift better. The derailleur hangs further inward, so its more protected. The Clutch system works better. They integrate better with Shimano brakes, which are worlds better than Guides. I just switched from a full XT to X1+guides, and the guides don't feel as good at the lever, they use a stupid torx instead of Allen, and don't get me started on mineral oil vs DOT.

Desipte all this, GX is lighter at the same price, has much greater range, and is forward looking while Shimano is using technology of the past.

If you already have an 11 speed setup, then you could just get this for the same price as the GX cassette:

www.amaincycling.com/ethirteen-trs-plus-11-speed-cassette-black-944t-fw1tpa-101/p543543?v=475329&gclid=Cj0KEQjw6-PJBRCO_br1qoOB4LABEiQAEkqcVWNBbOcEEhZEvSpqV7OrzVhLv9ArC1gApxWdktiJbLsaAotL8P8HAQ
  • + 3
 @hamncheez: That will happen on a site chock full of SRAM fanboys. Doesn't bother me one bit. But I find it hard to believe you haven't seen downvoting like this - just check the comment section on any article about 29er downhill bikes. Or go back two years and do the same for any article about 27.5er downhill bikes.

But I do have to call you out on one thing - how exactly is Shimano using "technology of the past"?
  • + 0
 @TheRaven: 11 speeds VS 12, at a smaller range, with the older driver mount for cassettes, is yesterdays tech. 11 jumps is too many for a 500% range. Also, If someone was building up a wheelset and drivetrain, who would choose a shimano driver over an XD? The only way to get the range that Eagle offers on Shimano is to use a cassette that requires an XD driver.
  • + 3
 @hamncheez: Counterpoint to that - more speeds is not objectively better. If I can get the same range and the same smooth shifting with 11 speeds (and I already have that) then why would I want 12? Shimano's freehub is older but it's cheaper and works better (remove a used up XTR cassette from a Shimano freehub and then remove a used up XX1 cassette from an XD freehub and you'll know exactly what i'm talking about).

Yes this is subjective stuff. But then that's why guys do. We talk tech.
  • + 1
 *Goes out and spends an ass load of money on 12 speed parts... Immediately pulls out the phone, goes straight to PB article on Eagle*

"11 speed is OLD TECH. People still using it. Sad!"

lol, people are out of control, man.
  • - 1
 @phobospwns: I'm not saying go throw out all your 11 speed and 10 speed stuff. I'm saying that if you're in the market for a new drivetrain, or you're a manufacturer spec'cing your builds, unless you have dealer relationships with shimano you'll choose Eagle GX over SLX, XT, or XTR.

To put it another way, if we graphed the sales of shimano drivers vs XD drivers, what would that graph look like?
  • + 1
 @hamncheez: Not even close. First Eagle GX is still more expensive than XT and even old GX. So there's that. Second, NO ONE who is considering XTR (or XX1, for that matter) is going to choose GX instead. Not happening. I promise you that shopper would take 11-speed XTR or XX1 before 12-speed GX.

Whether you are on a car forum, bike forum, stereo forum, computer forum, whatever...there are always the guys who claim that whatever offers the best power/performance for the dollar is the best and everyone should use it. But when we are talking about big ticket items, there are so many more things that come into play. Quality, reliability, style, image, brand recognition...all of those things are prioritized differently by different people. 15 years ago I would have bought XTR over ANYTHING if I had the money to do so. It had nothing to do with performance, quality, reliability, or weight. I just wanted to be able to have that logo on my bike. These days (ironically now that I can afford XTR) the top of my list is quality and reliability. Price and weight are actually near the bottom. I just want something that works, all the time, without fail. If it can look great while doing it that's a huge plus.
  • + 0
 @TheRaven: GX is actually cheaper than XT at multiple places, but don't worry about those facts....
  • + 0
 @hamncheez: nah xt brakes aren't very good IMO. i hate mineral oil pump up, but i do like how they feel in the parking lot over guides. my guides have been flawless for tons of high mountain use.
  • + 2
 @kmg0: "i hate mineral oil pump up"

The what now? I've been wrenching on bikes just short of 20 years now, and i've been working with mineral oil brakes almost that entire time, and I have never heard of this term before.
  • + 1
 @TheRaven: they seem to stiffen up a lot quicker at the lever with zero air inside than a dot fluid brake. there's a reason every other brake system than bicycles uses DOT fluid. not saying sram's execution is flawless, ha ha.
  • + 2
 @kmg0: That's an effect of the design of the brake. Has nothing to do with the fluid. Also, Shimano is not the only brake manufacturer to use mineral oil...not by a long shot.
  • + 1
 @TheRaven: lol ok
  • + 1
 There you go with a 450 cassette, which makes this stupid looking set up (a 50 cog, really? and a loooong cage derailleur that goes with it) heavier than a dual despite a (gasp!) aluminum cog! ...

and it still has less range than a dual can have, and it costs twice as much as one ...
  • + 6
 No one's forcing you to give up your silly 20th century front der. The rest of us have moved on to better times.
  • + 4
 Any single speeders out there read these drivetrain articles just to watch the chaos and arguments?
  • + 1
 X01 eagle is stupidly expensive but this is priced more reasonably.
if i upgrade my wheels and drivetrain one then this group should be considered.

for now i stick to my 2x11 group, (yea 2x11 you read that right, #insert itaintdeadcomment)
  • + 3
 Can someone please explain how production costs are close to $500? The markup on these things are ridiculous. So sick of this market functioning the way it does.
  • + 1
 How is this a different tactic at all? It's the exact tactic you described... XX1 eagle, then X01 eagle, now GX eagle... yet you try to make it sound like this is different just because it happened in a more rapid succession than in the past? Still same exact trickle down process.

AND you seriously posted this article without a direct weight comparison to XX1 and X01 options? That would have been your one chance at providing useful information in this review.
  • + 1
 I can't tell if this is a misuse of the word 'technology' or a tongue-in-cheek use. There is absolutely no new technology involved in that derailleur - no new materials and no new manufacturing processes, at least not new in the sense that mankind was already aware of them in other areas. It is a new *design*. New tecnhology was like when the transmission electron microscope was invented, or when relativity was applied to make GPS possible.
  • + 4
 Sounds like an XO shifter With an GX derailleur and a GX cassette will be the perfect match.
  • + 1
 Although I'm sure this is a nice drivetrain. I don't see the point in 12 gears over a 500% range. I've been on the one up shark tooth 11-50 xt setup for a month and I love it. At no point do I feel like there should be another gear in there somewhere. The 42 to 50 shift is seamless, back peddling is no problem and I've ridden it in the worst slop you've ever seen.(blue mountain on Canada cup weekend). Not sure about the longevity yet but if there previous gear is any sign I'll be on this sets for a long time.
  • + 1
 The Prices are still ridiciolous,for the Price of one GX Derailleur you can get 2 Shimano Zee derailleurs and those Zee Derail. do not put a ton of drag in your System like the Sram X01 or similar(i do not even start with their cheaper offerings),i have alot of Bike-Buds who experienced the same,the actual Problem with this Stuff is that you cant return it cause its not a failure,its function is just poor.
I could say sorry but its my experience but why should i,its the experience i made(+a few ohters)and i dont think i have to be sorry for my experience.
  • + 5
 I have nothing negative to say about this groupset.
  • + 1
 I don't get the point of the Eagle. Can't a 10-50 tooth cassette be made in 10 or 11 speed? The only reason 12 speed would be better is for cadence, but if you are racing and that worried about cadence shouldn't you be on a 2x10 which has more efficient chainlines?
  • + 3
 26" ain't dead Smile

But a 50T on a little wheel like that sure would look dumb. I'll stick with my 1x11.
  • + 1
 They're using the computer model. "Pay 1000000$ for this, it's the best"........2 years later.............."Yeah we'll give you a tenner for that, and you can buy the new, better model!"
  • + 2
 there a novel concept... lose body weight/eat right/and maybe just maybe go for ride that's not shuttled! all these thing are free!! cheers
  • + 2
 What if you've already got yourself in shape and still want to be able to tackle steeper, more technical climbs? It's a natural progression to continue to want to push further even as you get better. That's what a 10-50t cassette is for.
  • + 2
 SRAM hits once again! Plus, 1x11 speed groupsets' price are going to drop, I guess... good newa for everyone (except for Shimano).
  • + 0
 This price is awesome for an Eagle drivetrain. But I still rather rock something like carbon Raceface cranks with TRS race cassette, and just GX or a Di2 derailer. Spend a little more but she's weight and the TRS Race have a higher gear ratio.
  • + 0
 It seems the new normal is for SRAM press releases to be exciting, something the consumer wants and has been asking for and Shimano press releases leaving us asking why. Why are you not using sealed bearings? Why is it so ugly? Why is this technology 2 years late?
  • + 0
 I don't ever find myself asking "why?" when I read the Shimano drivetrain press releases. What I do find myself saying is "finally, something that's going to work".
  • - 2
 @TheRaven: Sorry to hear you have had negative personal experiences with SRAM, unfortunately for me it is the opposite. I used to be all Shimano until I just could not afford to keep replacing dysfunctional equipment.
  • + 0
 See, I feel exactly the opposite. When I see a 12 speed drive train I ask 'why?' I don't need this and I didn't ask for it. Shimano typically engineers their product to be durable and rational.
  • + 1
 @WaterBear: The number 12 means nothing, what they are offering here is extended gear range. I agree with you that for me and my legs I don't need the added gear range, I am very happy with a 36 tooth chain ring and 11-42 cassette. That being said Shimano has been about 2 years behind SRAM in the drive train race so I'm guessing in about a year we will see their extended gear range offering that will more than likely be 12 speeds.
  • + 1
 @jgreermalkin: Only if there's a demand for it. One interpretation for SRAM jumping straight to GX is that demand for the higher end 12 speeds is not what they predicted. In other words, I might not be the only one who is not interested in the larger gear range (or extra gears) of 12 speed.

To be clear, I was not focusing on the 12 speeds themselves. I'm focusing on the fact that I don't need an extended gear range.
  • + 1
 @WaterBear: I figured you understood the gear range, just did not want you to end up with foot in mouth when Shimano releases their 12 speed next year.

As for your interpretation, SRAM released XX1, then X01 and now GX, I don't understand how that is jumping something?

You are jumping to alot of conclusions here, do you have any facts to back your hypothesis? For example this evidence might suggest that Shimano is experiencing trouble selling their drive trains:

SRAMs newest drive trains can not be easily found at any discount (I cant find them anywhere less than MSRP). Shimanos newest drive trains can easily be found at 30%-40% off. That would tell me that Shimano is not selling as many drive trains as they would like and are selling their inventory to online retailers like Jenson at a fraction of the cost to off load inventory. In conclusion Shimano is selling off inventory because sales have been a disappointment/less than expected.

I don't follow every bike manufacture but the ones that I do offer SRAM Eagle drive trains on their high end builds and Shimano on the cheaper ones. This evidence would suggest that manufactures know that their high end customer prefers SRAM over Shimano. In conclusion when money is not an issue riders are choosing SRAM.
  • + 1
 @jgreermalkin: No, I don't have evidence to back my claim. It's just a possibility. You could be right about Shimano, too. To clarify, there appear to be (at least) 3 high end SRAM 11 speed drivetrain models - xx1, x01, and x1. For 12 speed they have reduced that count to 2.

I think 1x11 and x12 is adding gears in a weight-inefficient way to a bad place on the bike, and for 1x12, to achieve gear ratios I don't want. Shimano was pushing the 2x system which alleviates most of the concerns of the previous sentence, popularity of 2x systems be damned. But they have to sell what the market demands, which these days is 11 speed.
  • + 1
 @WaterBear: You have a point about weight on the rear wheel, definitely something to consider. For me personally I can't run a 2X in the front, no matter what kind of chain guide my style of riding leads to dropped chains all the time. I will take a weight penalty to not have to deal with that.

As for the reduced count, it is reduced by one at the moment. They offer an XX1, X01and now the GX in the eagle 12 speed lineup. Not sure why they have not released an X1 version.
  • + 4
 Would this work with 11sp XX1 crankset/chairing?
  • + 2
 Good question, would this work with a Race Face 11 speed chainring?
  • + 3
 yes
  • + 2
 That is honestly a great price! I would buy this, except possibly upgrade the cassette to X01, not sure I like the sound of "over 100 pins" holding my cassette together.
  • + 0
 I think cranks are a little expensive (looks ugly), but that cassette should be $100 at most.
  • + 1
 @magiko9: Agreed, the cranks look awful, luckily they're one of the most easily interchangeable parts. Cassette is a bit expensive, but overall I think it's a pretty solid price especially taking into account the relative new-ness of Eagle.
  • + 1
 So I think it looks like the new Trek Fuel 9.9 is going to a Rock Shock from Fox shock from this pic if it is a 2018 model. I see a 29 x 2.5 maxxis tire there...
  • + 2
 Dear Sram that crank is beautiful. The photo doesn't show if it has direct mount. Is there a non eagle version?
  • + 1
 I will stick to my Sunrace 50T cassette, even if it is a little bit more heavier. At least I can use my Shimano freehub body.
  • + 1
 XT is still king IMO. That gear jump to the 50t must feel ridiculous. There are plenty of good 11 speed cassette options with plenty of gear range.
  • + 1
 I know we keep coming back to this, but that's nearly 1lb of weight in the cassette alone, just sat there fking up your suspension performance.... gearbox please.
  • + 2
 Just got a 46t cassette and a 34 front, i really do not need any more gears, but if i did lol
  • + 1
 How much is the chain ring? What is it made out of? An eagle chain ring alone is $90ish, cant be the same one as XO and XX1 as the cranks and chain ring together are $120.
  • + 3
 Nice groupset but the 500% written out on the big cog is 100% lame
  • + 2
 500% lame**
  • + 1
 Finally! I have been rocking 1x10 for too long and have been saving up for 1x12 but it's so expensive! So to see this come out for the cost of one xx1 cassette is great!
  • + 2
 So will the 1x13 when it comes out be called "Double Eagle" or "Albatross"?
  • + 2
 Now see that was good. Bravo!
  • + 1
 This can't be an original thought but I wonder about the feasibility of stamping in offsets into each cog that then get tack welded onto the next larger cog, etc.
  • + 1
 i like everything about this except the cranks! those have to be the ugliest set of cranks i have ever seen. decent weight for them, but they are UGLY!!!
  • + 1
 And I literally just bought a bike on Monday with X01 Eagle...thought I was going to be the envy of all my bros with my fancy 12 gears.
  • + 1
 Ah come on man why can't I see a side by side cost/weight of GX vs XO1 anywhere?
Why cant that table just have two more XO1 columns?!? Frown
  • + 1
 @mikekazimer: Yes! thanks/missed that!
  • + 1
 @Buc-Nasty, no problem.
  • + 1
 With such a big cassette at the back I would love to run 38 chainring at the front, but most of Enduro bikes will only allow 36 some not even that.
  • + 2
 Those hundred pins will creak.
  • + 1
 This debut of GX Eagle is a big good news. By the way, what would Sram do with their current 1x11 models?
  • + 1
 What is an eagle compatible chainring? Will eagle chain not work on a typical narrow-wide chainring?
  • + 2
 looks like elephant stepped on GX crank arm
  • + 2
 you guys summed the weights wrong
  • + 1
 Good catch - that's been corrected.
  • - 2
 *fixed
  • + 2
 There are "grip shift fans"????
  • + 1
 Yup, got it on all 4 MTB's in my house. Great for XC & fat bikes.
  • + 1
 haha, I used to be one of them in the '90s
  • + 1
 Aluminum to SS? Do you want Galvanic corrosion? Cuz that's how you get galvanic corrosion.
  • + 1
 I've been using XX1 11-speed and XO1 eagle for 3 years now and haven't seen any galvanic corrosion on the cassette... Is that what you're referring to?
  • + 1
 Sweet! Was thinking it was almost time to replace my cassette, and now I can do it for half the price. Smile
  • + 1
 Wow... just checked the weight difference. Maybe I'll stick with the fancy one.
  • + 1
 Steps back, and the Eagle lands a straight kick to the nuts of XT. Eagle for the win!
  • + 9
 I'll take Shimano shifting over SRAM 10 days out of 10.
  • + 5
 I do have to point out that XT is still cheaper. Even 10-50t XT (using the OneUp Shark kit) is still cheaper. So...not really a win.

...and then there's what WhatToBuy pointed out. That's no small detail.
  • + 0
 "Eagle lands a straight kick to the nuts of XT"??? How? This is 50% more expensive than XT (according to CRC prices) and it is a lower-end model. On the other hand is XT with proven reliability, cheap and easy to replace parts (most importantly the cassette).
  • - 2
 SHIMANO >>> sram$hit
  • - 3
 @TheRaven: The prices are a wash. The OneUp is $270 for the various parts, $90 more than the GX Eagle cassette, which negates XT's price advantage. The Eagle group weighs 140g less and the ratios are more sensible.
  • + 2
 @alexdi: My Shark XT setup cassette was $240 all new. But even going with your price, the Shark-equipped XT basic drivetrain (Cassette/shifter/mech/chain) is $390 while the GX basic drivetrain is $375. So GX is a tiny bit cheaper there but then you also have to remember that GX is an SLX competitor. So I still don't see how that's a win. It's just a good price.
  • + 2
 SRAM, thank you for giving us what we want at a price we can afford
  • + 1
 Do I have to click one gear at a time from the biggest cog to the smallest?
  • + 1
 Shimano has a problem when SRAM's budget 12spd cassette weighs less than their XT 11-46 cassette..
  • + 4
 Or does SRAM have a problem when Shimano can produce a mid-range cassette for 1/4th the price of their budget cassette?
  • + 2
 Yeah $195 is budget and the XT 11-46 is $75.
  • + 1
 @magiko9: is the XT $75 MSRP?
  • + 4
 @gooutsidetoday: Jenson USA sells the XT 11-46 for $77 and GX Eagle 11-50 for $195 right now. You are right that GX prices will drop eventually, but from experience it will be $140-150 at best. That is still twice as expensive for a lower end product.
  • + 2
 EAGLE TECHNOLOGY 500% !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111
  • + 2
 Or buy a lift ticket instead
  • + 2
 Now this I would love. Unfortunately my local trails don't sell lift tickets.
  • + 1
 What happened to X1 eagle? Is sram going to discontinue x1 because gx is nearly as light but a lot cheaper?
  • + 2
 Is this trumped up trickle down economics?
  • + 1
 I'm running an X1 derailleur, XT 11-46 cassette and oval 30T Wolf Tooth chainring. Good enough range and works great.
  • + 1
 I hope they have improved the reliability! Quite some time the Eagle rear derailleur is hit and miss ...
  • + 2
 Where is that mysterious 13 speed shimano is developing?
  • + 0
 Safe to assume the chain ring is made from the stock SRAM lead then? I love a half pound 32t ring pushing my 12 heavy pinned gear around.
  • + 1
 Ha ha .... almost half kilo cassette.
  • + 1
 still save 0.5 lb over my 2x10 by switching
  • + 1
 Why is there so much Shimano stuff in the market getting blown out cheap?
  • + 1
 Id like to point out its nearly a dollar a percent of gear range.
  • + 0
 The Shimano fanboys have just rolled into a corner and started sucking their thumbs
  • + 6
 I am no fanboy but no, you are wrong. Shimano users are going to spend the $150 they saved drinking and having fun, and tomorrow they will continue to ride their XT's happily.
  • + 6
 SLX shifts better than this and costs like 400CAD bucks, with the crank.
  • + 5
 I don't even think Shimano has fanboys... but I can tell shimano people choose value over bling
  • + 1
 @ismasan: Shimano fans are just logical. Fanboys just wanna be part of a tribe, logic be damned.
  • + 0
 @JesseE: so you have experience riding this group before it was even announced?
  • + 1
 @biker245: No just their higher end 12spd set up. Worse than XT, so I'm gonna assume this is on par with SLX at best, but still won't allow you to multi-shift both ways, so is worse.
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 @JesseE: I ride XO1 Eagle and tried XT and XTR before deciding. Honestly both shift well. Either you rode a poorly set up bike or you're making value/quality judgments about personal preference. None of it sucks at that level.
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 all i see is the 2018 trek!
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 FIVE HUNDRED BUCKS AND NOT GOLD ?????
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 11 forward and 1 backwards
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 XX1 is Eagle.

X01 is B-eagle

GX is C-eagle.

D-eagle when???
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 Does this mean my 2x10 is obsolete?
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 2x10 ain't dead!
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 It's been obsolete for like 3 years Wink
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 @chize: 3x9 aint dead !! No
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 get on shimano XTs level...
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 Solid pin chain. Probably won't blow up in the start gates.
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 This is awesome! Just take my money!!! @theminsta
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 100 pins??? What on earth could go wrong with that.
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 I thought you were shifting things into puns with that post.
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 The only reason I'm excited about this is it should bring the price of regular 1x11 gx or xo down. 1x12 seems unnecessary.
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 why the cranks are so ugly...?
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 When's the NX out
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 After 13 speed 9-66 with new metric chain link spacing
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 @WAKIdesigns: Rumor on the trail is they are going to skip 13 and go straight to 14 due marketing research projecting poor sales on certain markets.
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 Winning at failing. Congrats to you, champ.
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 I just ordered some mineral oil from my local shop. Am I #WINNING or do I specifically have to buy something shiny and new?
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 Snap !
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 Wake up Shimano!
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 She's one plump bird
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 Pre embargo, nice Wink
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 wow, i suppose this is somewhat good news!
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 Shimano must be crying...
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 Not so sure about that. I can't be the only person who likely won't ever own a 12 speed drive train. 1x11 is quite enough for my area of the world, and already unnecessary for park riding.
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 I'll take 2 group sets please!
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