Specialized Epic Hardtail
vs.
Viathon M1
Specialized's $9,500 S-Works Epic vs. Viathon's $6,500 M1
Words by Daniel Sapp, Video by Michael McQueenTwo SRAM AXS Equipped Hardtails
Last year, we received a press kit for a new bike brand, Viathon. Now, we don't really spend a ton of time reviewing cross-country hardtails here at Pinkbike, but when we realized that Viathon was owned by Walmart Stores, Inc., our interest in this particular bike grew.
This past winter, we had the opportunity to get one of Viathon's XX1 AXS equipped M1 XC bikes in for testing. It just so happened that I already had Specialized's brand new S-Works Epic hardtail, also sporting SRAM's XX1 AXS drivetrain hanging out in my garage. That meant it was time for some back to back riding and comparisons between the two bikes. Because when else can you compare a bike "from Walmart" to what is arguably one of the most high-performance production XC race bikes in the world?
Big Box Store vs Big Bike Brand
Specialized holds a ton of power in the world of cycling. It's one of the biggest brands, with the ability to manage every aspect of that brand from R&D, prototyping, testing, manufacturing, developing one-off parts for anything, to the sales floor, bringing in hundreds of millions of dollars in revenue each year. While that's no doubt impressive, Walmart is the world's largest company, with over $514.405 billion dollars in revenue and 2.2 million employees. Both brands have their roots in being family-owned businesses. Specialized was founded in 1974 by Mike Sinyard who is still at the helm of the red ship today, and Walmart was founded by Sam Walton in 1962 with family members still very much involved with the brand.
The connection Walmart has with bikes is not necessarily what you see when you walk into one of their stores. As any serious mountain biker would tell you, buying a bike from Walmart is likely not the best idea. However, their Viathon brand of bikes throws that notion aside, although you won't see a Viathon anywhere in a store as they're sold exclusively online through Walmart.com.
Walmart’s interest in mountain bikes stems from a personal connection. Brothers Tom and Steuart Walton are both avid mountain bikers and have invested heavily in the trail infrastructure surrounding Walmart’s global headquarters in Bentonville, Arkansas. Their investment company also recently purchased the high-end cycling clothing brand Rapha.
So is Walmart about to disrupt the bike industry? Their massive reach, purchasing power, and supply chain are forces that few other major companies in the world, much less bike brands, can even start to compete with. Just looking at the two bikes here, there's a $3,000 difference for nearly the same spec.
However, for Walmart to make an impact in the bike industry their bikes have to not only rival the top players at the cash register but also on the trail.
The S-Works Epic and Viathon's top-of-the-line M1 are both very similar when it comes to kit. They both sport SRAM's XX1 Eagle AXS wireless drivetrain, a RockShox SID Ultimate fork, and fancy carbon wheels. The Epic does have Specialized's BRAIN cartridge in the fork and a power meter while the M1 has a RockShox Reverb AXS dropper post. The Epic also has 100mm of travel vs the M1's 120mm.
When it comes to geometry, things are somewhat similar at first glance but there are some notable differences. The M.1 is designed and engineered by Kevin Quan, who's worked for brands like Cervelo, Diamondback, BH, and more in the past decade. Viathon claim they are not just targeting racers with the M.1, but the numbers are comparable to many of the carbon hardtails that we see in XC racing, despite its slightly longer travel 120mm fork.
The wheelbases are within a couple of millimeters and a lot of other numbers are close. But, the Epic has slightly longer reach, a degree slacker 68.5° head tube angle and a slightly steeper seat tube. All about what you’d expect from a more cutting-edge bike at the forefront of World Cup racing. At least on paper, the Specialized has the edge in the geometry department.
Both frames feature a threaded BB and internal cable routing. They have multiple bottle mounts and everything else you’d expect on a modern, high-performance XC bike. The Epic HT frame is an eye-popping light 790 grams, while the Viathon is a more typical 1,035 grams. Specialized achieves this by doing a lot of fancy work with their carbon fiber and utilizing their near-infinite R&D budget to cut weight absolutely anywhere possible, without sacrificing durability or ride quality, while Viathon uses the more standard Toray carbon found in most high-end XC race bikes. That said, the Viathon is still pretty damn light and in the realm of most production race hardtails, so a 245g (½ lb) difference in frame weight is pretty astounding.
As complete bikes, there are a few differences with our test bikes—the Viathon has a slightly longer fork and a wireless dropper post, but the Specialized has a power meter. Still, even with that, the Epic comes out well over a pound lighter as a complete bike.
If you’re going to buy the Epic HT, it’s coming from a certified Specialized bike shop and will be built by a mechanic that’s likely trained by Specialized and certified to work on that bike. You’ll roll out of the bike shop with the bike sized to fit you, pedals installed, tires set up tubeless, and everything ready to pedal to the trails. All you have to do is swipe a credit card and go riding. If there’s ever a warranty issue or another problem, your shop should have your back.
With the Viathon, you press purchase online, the bike is built up by a PBMA certified mechanic at Viathon, and then slightly disassembled, packaged, and delivered to your home or your local Walmart. Re-assembly requires a few basic Allen keys, a Torx, and pump. All of the necessary tools, including a torque wrench, are provided (minus a pump), and the bike can be built up at a trailhead or in a parking lot following the provided instructions if you need them. I did run into the issue of the batteries for the AXS not being fully charged and the tires weren't set up tubeless, so that's something worth considering.
Comparing price, the Viathon is
way ahead in this field. At $3,000 less than the Epic, you can take a week or two off work, fly somewhere warm, have your own training camp, a vacation, whatever.
How does all of this stack up? Both bikes have their strong suits in spec. Some riders will appreciate the dropper post, while others will certainly want a power meter. Specialized has some of their proprietary technology in the Epic with the BRAIN fork and the Epic certainly takes the win in geometry and weight.
On the trail, even without the dropper post, the Epic outperforms the M1. The bike has a more modern geometry and while both bikes are undoubtedly at the top of their class, the Epic has a noticeably better ride quality and is less harsh than the M1. The geometry makes it easier to ride and it has a lower weight which is key in accelerating out of turns and when the bike is pointed uphill.
At the end of the day, a lot of riders will find great value in Viathon's bikes, especially their lower-end offerings which come in at one of the best component-for-component values there is...similar bikes from Specialized or other brands cost much more. There is, however, a lot to be said for the ride quality of the Epic. For someone wanting one of the best riding bikes in this category, that $3,000 may not be a big deal but for many others, it'll be better spent on something else.
If you were choosing between the two, which one would be for you? Let us know in the comments below.
194 Comments
I bet they would be more concerned with saving a cent on coat hangers than getting into carbon mtb. It is impressive to have pulled this off.
Marketing gets the fun part of taking it to the party and getting lucky.
You could buy the frame only Epic................$2500
And the Viathon M1.......................................$ $6500
And be comparable to the Epic full bike........$ 9500
Then you’d have The better handling and geo with a friggin AXS dropper post, a 120mm Sid fork, and no Spesh brain nonsense.......Economies of scale are crazy,
Or as previously mentioned, a Viathon, and a Cheap Mexico vacation
Bikes are friggin cool!
That said, I learned some things about the M.1 while stripping and building it:
- headset is an integrated FSA. God help you if some issue leads to wear on the carbon "cup" surfaces and the bearings don't seat properly. There's no fixing that. All to save $2, or 8g, on some alloy cups??? On a $3500 bike?? Just give me ZS56/44 please.
- the tire clearance in the rear is inexcusably poor. Swapping the stock 2.3" front tire to the rear showed just-acceptable clearance. And that 2.3 measured at 2.25. No proper 2.35 or 2.4 tire is going to fit with reasonable clearance. For what benefit? None. This is a Boost spaced, 1X ony drivetrain. Someone was either lazy (or cheap = stock mold) with the yoke area. So owners are forever limited to ~2.25" tires. Stupid in this day and age when many Boost haardtails can easily fit 2.6"..
- several fasteners on the bike were WAY over-torqued. Removing the crank required a 14" breaker bar AND a cheater extension of PVC.
- the der hanger bolt was broken before even removing the bike from the box (probably from over torque). The hanger design is terribly vulnerable to breaking. First off, the design doesn't securely hold the inner and outer "plates" together, so the thru axle holes become offset very, very easily. Once that happens, you can't pass the thru axle into the threads until you fiddle w/ the two dropout/hanger plates. If you tap on the axle to try and seat it into the threads, you'll likely break the bolt which holds the hanger/dropout in the frame, because (again, due to stupid/poor design) there is significant leverage on the plate relative to the bolt location. Why they use a special, easily-broken bolt is anyone's guess. You'd think it was a technique to save your derailleur by sacrificing the hanger . . . except that once the axle is installed the axle is holding everything together, and no amount of force to the der or hanger will transfer to the fragile bolt.
- the internal routing for the rear der is terrible. Getting housing around the BB (when threading to/from the downtube and chainstay) is nearly impossible, and that's coming from someone with proper patience, tools and experience w/ internal routing challenges.
Slapping an AXS group on this quality of a frame seems like lipstick on a pig to me. The M.1 is only negligbly better than some $300 direct-from-China hardtail frames in my experience. The narrative that it was designed by an experienced industry dude seems laughable . . . either Kevin Quan is a poor designer, or they had to accept stupid frame parameters (ie, stock choices from frame manuf) to meet their cost goals.
On your third point, I'd be interested if this is a common issue on DUB cranks, which I have also experienced - see forum posts below:
m.pinkbike.com/forum/listcomments/?threadid=209146&pagenum=3
Doesn't excuse the builder for other fasteners right enough...
In other words, the Viathon issues seem to be common to traditional brands as well.
I know this will come off as Sram fan boy crap. But I’ve got 3 dub cranks. Bb & crank installed by myself and torqued with a digital torque wrench and no issues. I would assume that the removal issues are due to way over torquing on initial installation. Just my 2 cents.
My bike is scheduled to be dropped off today at Viathon. Prior emails stated I would get a refund after inspection(I sent hd videos and pics prior to returning it).
That seems cool, except i bought a closeout. I would have to spend 700 more to replace the bike with a 2020 GX model. (Gx models are now out of stock)
I asked Viathon to concider just sending me a frame so I could remain brand loyal. They would not and that felt like Walmart. If Viathon is reading this I would still be ok with getting my used components on a frame. I did ask about a crash replacement frame which would be 800.
All in all I loved the bike and saw marked improvements on Strava over my old aluminum 2013 trek with the nearly identical geo. The Viathon had good components. Particularly for the price.
It is a fast bike and I would keep up with quick guys in my area that spent 3 to 4 times as much.
At gx or xo1 it is a good buy. Anything speced above that and the target market is no longer budget imo. I would see 6000+ money going to Specialized and Trek.
I cannot say how specialized would of handled the same issue but I do feel a local bike shop would of tried harder to retain my business. It felt similar to Walmart culture with things like socks or electronics. Odds are good I will buy another brand after my refund unless something changes. If you are ok with that I wouldn't not buy one.
I am a little bit surprised that your 2.3 actually wore on the chainstays; pretty sobering.
Either way I think most of those are going to spend the extra 3k for the 1lb and better handling.
Im not rich but I prefer riding hardtails
Fact is when I see people riding hardtails around my area in socal I show way more respect to those people for being able to rip on a much harder bike to ride all around.
True mtb riders find passion in riding whatever they feel is fun. Its clear you havent found that~
Like others have noted, I think it would make far more sense for Walmart to sell a $1500 alloy suspension bike or $900 alloy hardtail w/ 12sp Deore than these carbon hardtails w/ AXS groups.
I think they've done a far better job w/ their gravel bikes. The G.1 GRX600 model has a good size run, good geo, great drivetrain and great price.
I would like to see reviewers ride the bike write their opinion and then look at the geometry numbers. I think opinions are being formed before bikes are being ridden.
any review should ideally be done blind to be more meaningful (with that said, i understand that it is a tough thing to do).
owned with 100mm forks. 10/10 would recommend.
www.specialized.com/us/en/epic-hardtail-pro/p/171126
The Schwinn Axum is getting close, and it's below $500.
So yes... those kids have (at least) $6500 dollar bikes and are racing NICA.
I'm sure every state NICA scene has kids who are "slumming" in NICA and racing at highly competitive junior levels as well. That was my point above that MOST NICA kids aren't really that concerned with being on the pointy end, because it's highly unlikely they will be... as they're competing against kids who are going to be professional XC racers and have the resources (money, training and time) to do it.
My kid just does NICA to stay in shape for enduro and to be around other kids who ride bikes.
www.motoren-toerisme.be/motoren/yamaha-tenere-700-2020
www.specialized.com/us/en/s-works-venge-disc---sram-red-etap-axs/p/171337?color=271662-171337&searchText=97819-0349
Mountain bike riding > road riding
Road racing > mountain bike racing
i wouldnt want a wireless drive chain though, i hate batteries
And that's where Viathon cuts the cost,speccing a generic op n mold frame with outdated geometry.
The numbers: reach = 439mm (large) or 417mm (med), HA = 69.5deg (at full fork extension; 70.7 @ 20% sag), BB drop = 56mm.
Not even by 2010 standards is this bike long, low or slack.
For the price, I can't believe the quality of the spec...especially considering every other carbon hardtail I was considering cost almost twice what I paid for similar components. On one of my first rides I bent the rear der hanger, went online and entered my email for an update when they had them back in stock. Less than a week later there was a new der hanger on my doorstep, no cost. Must have cross-listed my email with recent bike purchases which was pretty cool of them.
I just installed a dropper as the GX level didn't come with one, and running the housing through the frame was quite a pain. But, I managed to successfully use some paracord with a loop to "fish" the cable up the seat tube.
Now, if I were starting a MTB company, my first product would certainly not be a top end, carbon xc hardtail but that's just me. It's not exactly the best selling segment but I'm not a market researcher. Maybe theirs a lack of competition in that market.
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I don't get why they don't just come with tubeless valves installed, with no air in the tire. It's not the end of the world to set bikes up tubeless, but it seems silly in this day and age that almost every bike shops with tubes installed.
A lot of people still run tubes.
Even if everything goes well they still have to know they actually need to put sealant in the tires because they aren't tubes, remove valve core, add correct amount of sealant and reinstall the valve core, then pump up the tires.
At the end of the day if you are a person who knows about tubeless it sounds pretty easy to settup. @inertiaman says they come with everything but sealant. 20 minutes and then you have a tubelessed bike.
I think that shipping with tubes was a good idea. Most people assume a bike ships with tubes, so they will often just pump up the tires.
It's not just viathon, almost every bike on the planet ships from the factory with tubes in them. Specialized, Marin, diamondback, etx. It's not a big deal to remove the tubes and set them up tubeless, but I wonder why they don't just save ships a step and ship them with valves installed and no tubes, where all they need to do is add sealant and air.
My old LBS had a regular customer who would buy a set of parts, and drop everything off at the LBS to build for him. He would end up with this super custom, nice looking bike. He never touched a bolt. Ride it a few times, then sell it. I honestly don't know if he made or lost money, but he just loved taking pictures of his "custom" bikes that he just bought fancy parts for.
I agree with the comments on the most recent PB Podcast - Geometry is Everything. These modern relaxed head angles are pretty much better for everybody.
I do think the gig is up on some of these silly $10k stickers for a hardtail. Canyon, Viathon, Spot, Transition = Game Over for egregious margins by big brands.
I love my LBS but the $3000 price difference you're paying here is mostly for someone to put the handlebars on for you (and it would cost far less than that if you brought the Viathon to your LBS and had them put the handlebars on and do a once-over tune for ya).
My current USED XC HT was $4000. Was a hard sell to me as I am more into trail riding these days. But when I do line up for a race, I really enjoy riding a rocket.
Also look at something like the Scott Scale AXS much cheaper than the specialized with a-lot of the good points.
I really don't think Pinkbike understand XC racing at all. If the Walmart bike had a 65.5HTA then it would have the geometry advantage right?
I agree that integrated cups are not that unusual, and I suspect even this Specialized Epic has them, but I think they are a poor choice regardless of manufacturer.