Hope Tech Enduro - Pro 4 wheelset Review

Aug 25, 2016
by David Arthur  
Hope Tech Enduro - Pro 4 wheelset


Hope Technology founded its reputation on CNC-machined aluminium hubs and hydraulic disc brakes, first introduced to a young mountain bike industry some 25 years ago. The company, however, has never rested on its laurels and continues to refine and hone its products. The big news this year (other than its carbon fibre seatpost and carbon enduro bike) is the addition of the Pro 4 hubset, which introduces several refinements, including a faster-engaging freehub, 11-speed compatibility, bigger flanges (for a stiffer wheel) and a Boost option.



Details:
• Purpose: Enduro racing/all-mountain trail riding
• Material: Aluminium rim and spokes
• Diameters available: 26”, 27.5” and 29”
• Axle options: QR and 15 thru-axle (front); 135mm QR and 142x12 (rear)
• Width: 23mm internal, 28mm external
• Spokes: 32 Black Sapim Race/Sprint stainless steel double butted spokes
• Weight: 1,872g (948g rear, 924g front)
• Hub colours: Black, Silver, Blue, Red, Purple or Orange
• MSRP: £380, $517
• Contact: www.hopetech.com / @hopetech



There are several updates to the new Pro 4 hubs, but one of the key changes is a revamped freehub that now houses a 44-tooth ratchet mechanism, which is claimed to produce much quicker engagement; 10 percent quicker, in fact, than the Pro 2 Evo. Hope has also made the hub 11-speed compatible. so you can use it with Hope's 11-speed cassette. Finally, the flanges have an increased diameter that reduces the spoke length to create a stiffer wheelset, a particular benefit with bigger wheels.

The hubs are versatile, providing full compatibility with the multitude of axle options currently available. Hope supplies the wheels with both 135mm QR and 142x12 end caps for the rear wheel and QR and 15mm end caps for the front wheel. Other conversion kits are available separately. The freehub is Shimano 11-speed compatible, but can be swapped for a SRAM XD driver body. You can also go backwards and run 8, 9 or 10-speed cassettes with the appropriate conversion kit.


Hope Tech Enduro - Pro 4 wheelset
The precision-machined aluminium hubs sport bigger flanges, which allow for shorter spokes and a stiffer wheel.


Hope Tech Enduro - Pro 4 wheelset
Hope Tech has been offering complete wheelsets for a number of years now.



Another key development is the addition of a Boost option. With 27.5 Plus looking like it’s here to stay (a slew of new bikes are being released for 2017), Hope is ready with an aftermarket upgrade wheelset. That's a good thing because, let’s be honest, plus-size choices are still a bit thin on the ground. Hope is, of course, using the standard Boost 110mm front and 148mm rear spacing, and it has developed specific hub shells to make the most of the extra width.

Despite the improvement to the new Pro 4 hub, there’s no weight penalty. Claimed weight for a 15mm front hub is 181g (188g Boost) and 300g for a 142mm rear hub (311g Boost) with a range of spoke drilling options from 24 to 36, depending on the application and level of burliness you want from your wheels. Every part of the hub is made in the UK at the company’s Barnoldswick factory, from the beautifully CNC-machined hub shell, freehub and axle to the assembly of the component parts. The attention to detail shines through on the hubs; they’re exquisitely designed and executed. There’s a range of six colours to choose from so you can match the hubs to your frame if you’re so inclined.

While Hope has founded its reputation on hubs during its 25-year history, in more recent years it has moved into offering complete wheelsets. Hope's not alone here. Most manufacturers have shifted towards offering off-the-shelf wheelsets, which has reduced the demand for classic handbuilt wheels. The wheelset that will most likely appeal to Pinkbike readers is the Enduro. The tubeless-ready rims are not made by Hope, and use a 6061 aluminium with a triple-cavity construction that boosts strength. 32 Sapim Race double-butted spokes connect the hubs to the rims. The 27.5in wheelset, tested here with a SRAM XD free hub, weigh 1,872g for the pair; 924g for the front and 948g for the rear.


Hope Tech Enduro - Pro 4 wheelset
While the wheels are pictured with a SRAM XD Driver Body, the Hope hubs are also compatible with Shimano 11-speed free hubs.


Hope Tech Enduro - Pro 4 wheelset
Hope specs a tubeless-ready rim on the Tech Enduro wheelset. Getting tyres to inflate proved a hassle-free affair.



On the Trail


The Enduro is the burlier wheelset in Hope’s range and is ideal for anyone that likes to dish out some abuse to their equipment, and yet they manage to tip the scales at a reasonable weight. I’ve been testing these wheels solidly for the past few months, taking them down all sorts of rough trails, and they’re still running true with evenly tensioned spokes. The rims have resisted dents and dings even during some bigger impacts, including one incident with a burped tyre that saw the rim clatter through a rock garden with almost no air in the tyre. As for the hubs, well, they’ve not provided any cause for concern, the bearings are suitably sealed to deal with British conditions.

Setting the wheels up was easy. Hope don’t supply a tubeless kit. However, using some spare valves, Gorilla tape and a set of Maxxis Highroller tyres, however, I had the wheels ready to ride in a jiffy. The tyres seated easily with just a track pump. After that initial setup, they did what any good wheelset should do and went unnoticed during riding, with no errant noises, creaks or unwanted flex. Just the super buzzy freehub sound but you quickly get used to that. The rims may not be as fashionably wide as some of the current trendsetters, but as I found with the similarly-wide Mavic Crossmax XL wheels that I tested earlier this year, the Hope Tech Enduros worked just fine with a 2.3/2.4in tyre, providing a decent shape to the tyre and more than enough sidewall support.

The Enduros feel great on the bike, with a high level of stiffness that makes them responsive and direct. The wheels are a smidgen stiffer than Hope's previous wheelset centered around the Pro 2 Evo hubs. For comparison's sake, they aren't quite in the same ballpark as the Mavic Crossmax XL wheels when it comes to stiffness, but they’re pretty close. It’s evident the Enduros are built to a high standard and thoroughly checked before they’re allowed to leave: They haven't given my any cause for concern, remaining straight and true the entire time I’ve been riding them. Nor have they required any maintenance at all. The rims have taken the punishment from regular hard riding and still show no signs of the abuse...not a single dent whatsoever to report.


Hope Tech Enduro - Pro 4 wheelset
The strong and reliable aluminium rims have an internal width of 23mm.


Hope Tech Enduro - Pro 4 wheelset
The hub end-caps are easily removed to suit different axles.



Whlel the rims proved up to the task, Hope's hubs are truly the jewel in this crown. The revamped freehub ensures there is no lag or slack in these wheels when you get on the power. The Enduros snap into action the moment you lean on the cranks. Admittedly, you’ll be hard-pressed to determine the difference over the old hubs, but a bit of back-to-back testing compared to an old set of wheels spinning on Pro 2 Evo hubs does show a slight improvement in the reaction time of the freehub, but we’re talking marginal gains here. When it came to withstanding the UK's sub-optimal weather conditions, Hope has always been well regarded. Hope's Pro 4 hubs uphold that tradition: I’ve dragged them through the worst mud and rain, jet washed the wheels repeatedly (yes I know this isn’t something you should do) and the hubs remain silky smooth.

I’m a big fan of these wheels.They combine smooth, smart-looking hubs with great durability. The Enduro is ultra reliable. I also appreciate their versatility: being able to easily swap out hub end caps is a huge plus in this day and age of constantly-changing axle standards. Yes, the rims could be wider. If you are chasing the widest rim possible, these aren't going to cut it for you. There are also lighter wheels to be had. Those potential criticisms aside, the Enduro is a high-quality wheelset that mates well with 2.35 and 2.4-inch tires.

Pinkbike's Take:

bigquotesHope's philosophy has always been to make products that last. The latest Pro 4 hubs at the center of the Enduro wheelset are a good example of that guiding philosophy at work. They're bombproof, silky smooth and compatible with a wide range of drivetrains and axle standards. What's more, they do everything you could ask of a wheelset and they do it without wreaking havoc on your wallet. - David Arthur




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153 Comments

  • + 117
 $517 for a wheel set with pro 4s? Yes please
  • + 18
 Run mine for about 4months now on my hardtail and not a single dent, scratch or mild tweak in the rim. That's using it for everything: rough, roots, rocks, dirt jumps and pump track. Love them. (Plus, the sound is incredible)
  • + 1
 I dinged my rim on Rim Dinger. #hardcorehardtail Otherwise great wheels if a *little* heavy.
  • + 45
 I prefer this than 3000$ ENVE
wheelset
  • + 58
 Hope Hubs go to your funeral
  • + 36
 @RedBurn: no you dont you just cant afford them.
  • + 14
 Good go to wheelset for the money. Paid 100 bucks more for a pair of King hubs alone, Ten years ago. Good on Hope for holding the line on pricing.
  • + 27
 And they come in 26"
  • - 1
 @RedBurn: Yeah Enve is a lot. But with their 5 year warrenty, you break the rim you always get a new pair with no charge. Maybe shipping. Then outside of the five year you buy them half off. Pretty good warrenty right there!
  • + 3
 @captainian: The trail in Bike Park Wales? If so i love that trail!!
  • + 2
 @fercho25: hahahahahahah.

Right
  • + 3
 @Konakonakona-Chameleon: Yup! That's the one Smile
  • + 1
 @captainian: didn't mean to press neg props on your earlier comment! Put three dents in the rear on that trail after burping... New rim, swap spokes, epic wheelset. Couldn't be better for a hardcore hardtail!
  • + 2
 @Lagr1980: get buried with them!
  • + 1
 @captainian: i def put a bit more psi in tyres on 2nd run down that one! the A470 line is great fun too
  • + 2
 @RedBurn: Agree with you.
  • + 2
 The rims I had were not very durable. They are also narrow. Wheels are machine built. The hubs are good. You can get hope 4 with stans-hand built-for under $600 shipped. Look on PB classified, there is a guy upstate NY.
  • + 67
 I like it when hope did not exclude 26"
  • - 7
flag RedBurn (Aug 26, 2016 at 3:13) (Below Threshold)
 They just know it would mean losing a LOT of money
  • + 49
 @RedBurn: They'd be out dozens of dollars.
  • + 7
 @aaronfpeet: Yeah cause there aren't any bikes out there in the world with 26" wheels...
  • + 7
 My next pair of 26" wheels!
  • + 53
 Well done, 26" still in the game and Hope gonna be my next wheel set.
  • - 114
flag abzillah (Aug 26, 2016 at 1:21) (Below Threshold)
 Hopefully you're not riding on any stolen land.
  • + 25
 do not try to be political. It's about biking!!!
  • + 9
 @squarewheel: Amen! I'll go on about world politics with the best of them, but I come to pinkbike to not talk about it. The wheel size debate, bring it on!
  • - 94
flag abzillah (Aug 26, 2016 at 2:38) (Below Threshold)
 @squarewheel It's like a person talking about how much fun they are having riding a stolen bike.
Then you come up and say let's not talk about politics because it will hurt her feelings.
  • + 23
 @abzillah: Yeah, that would be so un-American. Instead he should hire a few mercenaries, pick a random middle eastern trail, shred it to the point of total destruction, torture a few local riders and then leave and start looking for another one.
  • + 8
 @abzillah: if you can't stop, please start a thread about politics in the Forum and let us know where we can talk to you.
  • + 16
 That escalated pretty quickly.
  • + 2
 at abzillah: says the US-American... Bitch mfckin please.
  • + 11
 @abzillah: Arin is 21 years old. The state of Israel was established in 1948. You're an ignorant, hate filled idiot. Im sure you blame Germans in their 20s for Hitler too right? Douchebag.
  • - 15
flag abzillah (Aug 26, 2016 at 19:58) (Below Threshold)
 @Session603: So are you saying that Hitler didn't murder my ancestors in concentration camps?
  • + 3
 @Extremmist: relevant username
  • + 2
 @Session603: " Im sure you blame Germans in their 20s for Hitler too right?"
There's no need, they still manage to do it themselves... Big Grin It's their equivalent of white guilt.
  • - 6
flag mhoshal (Aug 27, 2016 at 5:01) (Below Threshold)
 @abzillah: technically he didn't murder anyone in ww2 he had his army do it. Just saying. Not sticking up for Hitler here but name another guy who made the unemployment rate 0 in their country?
  • + 7
 @abzillah has got to be the dumbest motherf*cker on the internet.
  • + 7
 @mhoshal: Stalin,pol pot and genghis Khan.
Oh yeah nearly forgot ho chi min
  • - 1
 @mhoshal: @mhoshal: For a second there, I thought you were giving Hitler kudos for not having any unemployment in Nazi Germany...
  • - 3
 @ReformedRoadie: I was. What's the difference between what Hitler did and what Bush and Obama are doing in the middle east. Oh ya that's right it's all okay because it's Americans killing innocent people. At least Hitler cared enough about his country to make sure everyone had a job. What's the unemployment rate in the good old USA right now?
  • + 0
 @ReformedRoadie: 7.8 million people unemployed in the USA right now lol
  • - 1
 @Session603: Someone is salty.
  • + 1
 @mhoshal: how does that compare to Spain, Greece, Italy, etc by percentage of the population?

And 'LOL'? Really? You actually are happy that there are people out of work, regardless of country, nationality, etc...
By the way, WTF is wrong with you?
  • + 2
 @ReformedRoadie: you may well ask.too many Moroccan hand rolls I reckon.
  • + 1
 @ReformedRoadie: don't waste your time. You can't debate willful ignorance.
  • + 29
 B...b...b.but its not carbon fiber and less than two thousand bucks - how can anyone live with such cheap wheels? It will make me look cheap in front of my dentist friends!
  • - 61
flag fercho25 (Aug 26, 2016 at 4:33) (Below Threshold)
 because they apparantely suck your dick, or thats what im starting to believe because with evry hope product ever! hordes of fanboois start screaming how they have a bunch of hope shit and is the best thing ever!
  • + 29
 @fercho25:

I take it from that statement that you have never owned a hope product.

And I'm not a fanboy. I just like good components.
  • - 40
flag fercho25 (Aug 26, 2016 at 5:15) (Below Threshold)
 @oldmanDan: dont get me wrong I would love to love a brand and mindlessly throw my money at them and buy nothing else, but liking a brand does not means I cant be critical about it and Hope cant seriously be as perfect as people hype them to be
  • + 21
 @fercho25: @fercho25: 'perfect" is the wrong word, no one say's they're perfect. They are however extremely reliable, well made and low maintenance.
  • - 8
flag fercho25 (Aug 26, 2016 at 5:29) (Below Threshold)
 @Harry-Bradbury: @Harry-Bradbury: @Harry-Bradbury: that is actually helpful information thank you. ive never understood all the hope following but that sort of explains it.
  • + 45
 That de-escalated pretty quickly too.
  • + 8
 I hand built my Pro 4 wheelset. Orange hubs and rotors and orange Sapim nipples on new e*thirteen TRS+ rims (28 inner). Let me tell ya, they might be 150 grams heavier then ENVE for the set, but I could almost build one of each color for the price of one set of ENVE's. They look expensive, match my frame and they ride great. Zero issues after 650 or so miles. Sure, maybe not as stiff, but they are the stiffest aluminum 29er rims I've used so far. And I don't gasp when I hit something hard Wink
  • + 7
 @fercho25 I bought a set of Tech X2 brakes and Pro 2 hubs 6 years ago. Have yet to do anything to them other then a freehub cleaning/re-grease. That was just me being paranoid, the grease still had a bit of color after 4000 miles or so. The brakes work great and have never been bled.

Since that first purchase I have bought the last 3 versions of the hubs, Pro 2 EVO, Pro 2 EVO 40t and Pro 4. The only issue, the Pro 2 EVO, had a freehub bearing explode (sounded like an issue, as others had the same problem). The others, no problems to date.

I also bought the brakes, Tech 2 EVO M4 and X2 and the new Tech 3 M4 and X2. Zero issues and no reason for a bleed as of yet. I had a Sram and a Shimano set of brakes for a few months and needed to bleed both at least once. If you take the time to bed the rotors and pads, they work great. The Hope stuff isn't perfect or the lightest, but at least for me, has been super reliable. The parts match my bike. And if I need to, I can easily rebuild anything including the brakes.
  • + 3
 @fercho25: I have been running hope hubs for years now,im an old codger,and i can tell you hope engineering is how british engineering used to be,best in the world,its a shame not every company holds onto its standards to keep quality no1 rather than profits, and that goes for alot of big names in the biking world.
  • + 6
 My only problem with Hope is that their best colour, their signature colour, GREEN, is only available to the pros. My only problem with Hope is me. I'm not good enough for them.
  • + 1
 @choppertank3e: haha,you and me both mate!!
  • + 22
 26! Hope gets it!
  • + 10
 Love Hope Hubs but those rims are pretty run-of-the-mill. Narrow by todays standard (23mm), pretty expensive and not exactly light. I'd take a Flow or Ex471 every time over these with the Pro 2 Evo/Pro4.

Looking forward to seeing those 35mm alu rims tho.
  • + 7
 Saying these rims aren't as "fashionably wide" as other rims to me sounds dismissive. And a bit condescending or patronizing.

I switched a few months ago from rims with a 23mm internal to ones with the 29mm. The difference is startling, to the say the least.

The increase in traction is incredibly pronounced. I don't think the major move to wider rims is simply a fashion statement.
  • + 2
 That's just a way of saying "we're justifying using a cheaper, older rim design, and you should buy them because Hope."
  • + 2
 Yeah not getting all the hype when these are so narrow! On 29mm rims and they're priiime
  • + 7
 I've a set of straight pulls on some Light Bicycle rims and, as you would expect, it is an excellent wheelset - I'm very happy. However, just a word of warning in that straight pull spokes are a right ball ache to source. I always knew it would be a bit difficult, but it is annoyingly so. I'd definately go J-bend in future. As it stands I've had to buy in a load of spares just in case as few shops keep them in stock. Clearly this isn't the fault of the hubs or Hope, but I thought that someone somewhere might benefit from my pain!
  • + 1
 Beyond annoying. in a sane world, we'd have all moved on from j-bend at least a decade ago, but instead, they keep them artificially more expensive. They're cheaper to produce FFS!
  • + 6
 I've had these for 8 months, ridden hard, The pro4 hubs are amazing as always the rims have signs of abuse. Although they still run straight and true. The side walls have suffered considerably. Low tubeless pressures kerbs and rock gardens have all played their part. But for reliability and price they are top notch. Just need a new rim replacement... Hope! Hook a brother up! ????
  • + 5
 I've had three sets of Hope wheels with Pro II hubs and Stans Flow rims. My feedback on hope wheels is that they are great value and generally good components, but:

- The build quality of the wheels is not good. The first thing I did when I got each set was take them to a local shop to get the spokes tightened as they were all very loose and uneven spoke tension. This was on all three sets I have purchased and not a one-off.

- The aluminium freehub body gouges easily. If you're heavy or powerful you end up needing a steel freehub.

- The aluminium freehubs are delicate and easy to break.

Those points aside they are great hubs and despite having one freehub crack and the bearings disintegrate and damage another, Hope's customer service is excellent and they replaced them with the steel versions for free.

Hopefully the Pro 4 hubs have addressed these problems because that would make a pretty amazing product.
  • + 4
 Im with you. Three sets of Hope hubs and every freehub has been toss getting changed regularly (always with xt cassettes).
Oddly, I now ride superstar telsa evo hubs on stans flow ex's for the last year or so. Way more reliable than hope hubs and when I was doing a through strip down the other day, the cassette just slid right off. No mallets and screwdrivers required. A couple of tiny knicks thats all.
Oh and half the price.
  • + 4
 I don't understand what your getting at with build quality. Isn't this article about the hope enduro wheelset, not you hope hub with a stans hoop. I do however agree that you need steel shimano freehub for the heavier riders.
  • + 2
 Thanks for sharing your experience. I'm not thinking on buying the wheelset but I do want the Pro 4 hubs.
  • + 3
 Tubeless ready?? So you don't need to tape up all the spoke holes through the outer surface to seal it?

I do love my Hope Tech Enduro wheels but my god what a ball ache they were to seal. 2nd time on the rear wheel and 3rd time lucky on the front.

Standard rim tapes do nothing, you need the 25mm Gorilla tape to even stand half a chance.

You can't beat the hubs though, although it seems to be 50/50 whether you get strong rims or soft ones. Chap at work's lad keeps wrecking them and he's only about 8 stone.
  • + 2
 Bought the rear wheel for my Marin XM7. Looks great, is super stiff, and that HOPE hub sounds so good! But with all good things, they have to come to an end, and in this case, pretty much right away. On day 1, I cracked the rim through and through. Probably had under a mile on the rim total. I was running the tire at proper pressure (roughly 31 psi) with a Maxxis Minion cover. All it took was one rock garden to sit this rim down smack on the bench for the rest of the game, and just to clarify, I'm not some downhill enthusiast either. I ride relatively hard, but I had my Alex rim for over 2.5 years with no issues.

After carrying my bike 4 miles home, I was bummed - yeah, I'm whining, but it was a $300 investment, gone. I reached out to HOPE and chain reaction cycles, and whattya know - no refunds on rims. So, I'm out over $300 bucks and am out a rear wheel yet again.

May want to steer clear on these if you ride relatively hard.
  • + 2
 I had a set of king hubs built onto these hope rims, very very impressed with the amount of grief they have taken and not a single dent. ive ridden them all over the peak district and done multiple uplift days at Revolution. highly recommended
  • + 2
 Hope wheelsets, like everything else in our chosen sport, comes down to personal choice and budgets, personally I can't fault any Hope product that I have purchased over the past 20 years, yes you can pay a higher price but are you getting a better product, or is it just a placebo effect in that a premium price means a premium product, the debate rolls on.........
  • + 1
 I have a set of these in 29" on my Ritchey Breakaway Tandem with 200 mm disk brakes fitted . They have performed well in that application. Since I am around 100kg, add in my wife, then fully loaded panniers. Probably in the area of 200 kg. With several hundred miles of trail riding they are still in good standing.

As a side, I have Hope II hubs with DT Swiss rims on my pavement bike with several thousand miles on them, and they have also been flawless.
  • + 1
 Update: The wheels were just not up to the task of a fully loaded touring tandem. The rear started cracking the spoke eyelets the rim itself. The front was still OK, but I replaced both wheels on the tandem

The hubs themselves are still fine after this abuse. I laced them to 650 b X 35 mm rims and I am using them on my winter commuter / hard tail MTB. They have done a lot of road and trail winter riding as well as quite a bit of off road riding.

Bottom line for me: They have a limit, and our application was well over it.
  • + 1
 I have the rear one on my Slash, 26'', and I have to say that is an awsome wheel. Preveviously I had a Hope Pro2 hub with an unknown rim, in another bike, and since I sold that bike, I started missing the ''hope hubs sound''.
Last week I recieved my new Hope tech Enduro wheel and I'm totally in love. It rolls incredibly smooth, the adaptors or end caps are easily removed for any replacement (Mine came with a 9mm and I use a 12mm axle. It took me 2 minutes to change them), super stiff.......and of course that sound (although it sounds a little bit different than my previous Hope pro 2, it's still the Hope sound).
I will recommend it to everyboy looking for a new wheel
  • + 1
 Maybe I got a duff set then. A pain in the arse to seal every time, and the rear rim was toast in less than 6 months. Replaced with a Flow EX and trashed that, although it still does turn it what can be described as 'sort of a circle'. It's probably my fault.
  • + 1
 Have been loving this wheelset for the past few months, but bah gawd it is so hard to swap tires. The bead is so freaking tight. I'd be totally screwed if I got a flat out on the trail. Hard enough to get the tire off the bead, let alone get it back on without a compressor. Maybe it's a Schwalbe tire thing. Definitely need to carry some rim soap in the pack.
  • + 1
 These are nice looking wheels, and like me if you have other hope tech stuff on your bike it all matches. But I'm sorry the rims themselves are crap, they dent and flat spot so easily if you run tyre pressures below 30psi, and I only weight 72kg, and normally run 25psi front and 28psi rear if running maxxis dh tyres!! But the biggest problem for me was getting any of the tyres I own "maxxis, Schwalbe, Brontrager, specialized" ones to bloody seat correctly on the bead without having to resort to soapy water on the bead first before then pumping them up to 60psi to seat them!! and if you flat on the trail and its wet cold and muddy forget about even trying to seat that damn tyre again! needless to say i've already swapped the back rim to a DT one "hope one was f*cked after 5 weeks" and its like night and day, first time seating only pumped up to 32psi no messing with soapy water. moral of the story for me is if you want a good rim buy it from the guys who have been making top rims for years I've never had those issues with DT, Mavic or even my Flow rims.
  • + 1
 Laced the Pro4 hubs to some Stans Flow EX rims with DT spokes and they are pretty bomber! 3rd set of stans and have never had to tru them, ever. The hubs are way better than my old Chris Kings in my opinion- way less service and more dependable- they sounds nice too!
  • + 1
 What I really want to know about is their lights. They show them on their site, but actually trying to buy the damn things is like pulling teeth. Even Chain Reaction can't seem to get the things, & they don't seem to be brought over to the USA at all.
  • + 1
 I've ridden these wheels for 12 weeks in the Lake District and destroyed the rear rim, its as weak as cheese compared to the SRAM Rail 40 wheel it replaced. Have now replaced the rim with an DT Swiss EX471 which in my experience is not as prone to rim damage. I run Dual Ply High Roller rear tyre and have punctured down Sticks Pass Helvellyn, perhaps its just me, I do like to push the limits of my equipment Wink . On the plus side the Hope wheel is easier to maintain than the SRAM Rail 40 it replaced, must have re-trued it and straightened the rim 6 times before I destroyed it, Dual Ply Tyres are a lot easier to seat on the wider Hope rim than the narrow SRAM one. Although the new DT Swiss EX471 is even better for seating!
  • + 1
 Prefer the hope hub on stans wheelsets - stans rims are much better made than these re-badged rims, but I guess there is more money in this for hope by doing this.

Give me a hope pro 4 on the new stans arch / flow mk 3 over theae anytime.
  • + 6
 Seriously? You think HOPE of all brands would re-badge rims? I would put money on the fact that these are NOT re-badged. I mean I don't disagree that Stans rims are better, but these are not just re-badged rims.
  • + 4
 @ratedgg13: In all fairness i've owned most of the hope range and still continue to by new hope products but those rims are a chink in their armour. Myself and friends have been through plenty, current set up of easton arch30's on hope hubs is proving to be much more confidence inspiring.
  • + 2
 @willaasss: Agreed. Im using Stans and switching to DT Swiss. Unless the new Hope 35's are a big upgrade, they're still behind the curve wheel wise.
  • + 8
 @ratedgg13: ha ha - you owe me money. Did you not ready the article? It clearly states that Hope don't make the rims!!!!
  • + 7
 @Richt2000: yeah, hope have always re branded rims, it's nothing new. @ratedgg13, time to pay up
  • + 1
 @Richt2000: Wow I totally managed to miss that. Balls. I guess I fell for their website which says that all their parts are made in house...
  • + 4
 @ratedgg13: ha ha - no worries :-). It does explain why the rims aren't up to hope's usual high standards though.
  • + 1
 I believe they are slightly reworked Sun rims. I've just built up a pair of pro 4s with spank race 33 rims, which are superior rims to both hope and stan's. Total weight 1887g. They look a million bucks too. With the pound taking such a butt raping at the moment, it makes double sense for overseas buyers to get hope bits. Chain reaction cycles. Free delivery, awesome exchange rate.
  • + 0
 I'd also like to chime in on this. I bought a set of Tech Enduros and the hubs were fine (apart from one where the rotor bolt holes were too big.. if you can believe that).

The thing that let them down was the rims. They just weren't very good. I went through 4 in a little over 6 months.. then on wim I bought some Halo Vapour 35s.. and they're as true as the day I got them.. 6 months ago.
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 @jaame: yep.and when you factor in the hours spent building your own rims(and to most people time they haven't got)it's a no brainier to buy off the shelf.got these on my yeti and they're shit hot.i personally wouldn't know if they were suddenly 100g lighter.
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 @Benji-man: I had some spam 4 hubs which came with one of the disc bolts unthreaded... weird.
Building your own wheels is very satisfying. I mean, I am no expert, I've done around ten wheels in my life. I can't get them as true as pro but hey, they always last years. With soft 2.35 tyres and disc brakes, truth is overrated anyway. Under 2mm out and you'd never know.
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 @jaame: yep, spank make great rims.

Last wheelset I got built was spank oozy on hope pro 2. Amazing.
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 @Richt2000: I've found Spank components in general to be pretty amazing too. I used to be all for Hope stuff (and still am) however, my new bike came with Spank kit (and I've bought some since as well) - I've found it to be a really good brand alternative to hope at decent prices and comparable quality.
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 The reason Spank stuff is so good is that they actually manufacture it themselves. Because there is only one company trying to make money instead of the usual two, they can sell better quality product for less. Also, they have complete control over the manufacture process. They can make exactly what they want without the usual hurdle of the factory trying to sell what they have, or telling them why such and such an alloy or process isn't available. I sound like a Spank fanboi and that's because I am. I don't see any reason to buy anyone else's rims, knowing they aren't as good. Except perhaps the name.
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 @jaame:

spot on comment.

Spank is a great example of vertical integration; this is future for component and bike brands.

with ease of global shipping, escrow payment services like PayPal, its viable for the brand/factory to sell direct to the dealer (who handles customer warranties) and cut out in country distribution. a step further, direct to the rider....

Giant is another great example of a manufacturer retailing their own products through, increasingly, their own "Giant Brand Stores" as well as good independent dealers.
  • + 4
 Thank you for the 26" wheel option! Perhaps it's just a bit too late for reading the entire article.....20mm front axle?
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 The hubs are convertible I think there is a 20mm end cap. My 15mm reduces the diameter quite a bit
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 I brought a pair of the DH rims on the Pro 4's recently and can confirm that they are the bees knees. They are a brilliant set of wheels for the money. 100% recommended
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 I'm happy with these on my 26" hardtail, work well with 2.35 Magic Mary's, if you want wider just tick the DH option rather than Enduro and they are 28mm internal width.
  • + 1
 If they didn't have Hope Tech painted on them, all the Pink Bike shredders would be screaming about them 'only' being 23mm wide.
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 I run these,so far so good, but did have to reseat one of the front bearings as it was slightly out and causing some play but all is fine now.
  • + 3
 I hope the puns don't start rolling in
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 Oh man, here we go...full circle.
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 I wheely want a pair.
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 I'm so spoked for the 26" option!
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 @siderealwall2: I hope i dont get tyred of this thread
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 I want to twist all of your nipples to come up with something better!
  • + 2
 Hope are staying true to the cause with 26"
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 Sales would have been boosted if wider and 148.
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 "Material: Aluminium rim and spokes"

It's actually only the rim that's aluminum right? I thought Industry 9 was the only manufacturer doing aluminum spokes.
  • + 3
 HOPE give me hope for great price and 26!
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 Holy buckets--2 thousand dollars less and only 100g heavier than an enve rimset on chris king hubs, and manufactured in the UK. Can't be beat
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 Boost specific hub shell to make the most of the extra width, just like their 150mm dh hub?
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 To make the most of your wallet.
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 Love my new pro 4 that I had laced for my hardtail, though I must admit my full suspension with hope hoops with an evo pro 2 sounds a little bit sweeter.
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 Great Price, Great hubs, but 23mm wide? I'd still buy them, but would have wished for something around 26+mm. Only downside in an otherwise great looking wheel set.
  • + 1
 bearings in my rear hope 4 are shot within 300 mi of riding. Can't find replacements yet, auto store time?
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 The rims are definitely not bomb proof. In fact they are probably the worst rims I have ever owned.
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 Bring back the Big' un..........
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 The internal width of the rim is a bit narrow...
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 Very similar to e*thirteen trs+, same widths and same high flange, same weight
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 But instead they'll work.
  • + 1
 Thankyou Hope for continuing to make 26" wheels!!!
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 The pro 2 evo hubs have been available with 44-tooth hub bodies for years.
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 To correct myself: it was 40 teeth, so that explains the '10% quicker engagement' with the 44 teeth.
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 Great set of wheels for the money.
  • + 1
 Not everyone ENDURO, are they going to make an affordable TRAIL version?
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 Looks good
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 Twenty Six
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 Out of date and heavy?
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 Or well priced and reliable?
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 No. The only thing you could possibly say is out of date is the width. I would say less out of date, more preference.
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 @Racer951: I kill hope hubs they go bang, wouldn't go near them again but others get on fine with them.
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 @enduroFactory: How do you make a hub 'go bang'?

Do you mean the small batch that had some issues with cracking years ago or are you beating them with a hammer or something?
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 @Racer951: I crack the pawls then it all goes bang.
After 2 rebuilds I was told 3rd time it happened it's rider abuse.
The conclusion reached was pedal rotation on impact from a drop was too much stress.
never had the issue with DTswiss or mavic hubs.
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 The hub's are fantastic.
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