How the Coronavirus Lockdown is Affecting European MTB Brands

Mar 20, 2020
by James Smurthwaite  
Orbea
Orbea has brought in safeguarding policies that go above and beyond Spain's required levels for its warehouse staff.

Italy, France, Spain are currently on near-total lockdown. The only trips allowed are for food shopping or medical supplies leaving millions of people quarantined and waiting out the most disruptive pandemic since the Spanish flu.

Stock markets are crashing, those who go to work must wear masks and gloves and we’ve even read stories of cyclists in these countries threatened with fines of up to €3,000 and a year in jail for riding their bikes. In short, life has rapidly become very different for those in western Europe. We wanted to know how the lockdown is affecting the brands that operate out of these countries too so we spoke to Orbea (Spain), EXT (Italy), Met (Italy), Commencal (Andorra) and Formula (Italy) to gauge their current reaction to the situation and how it will affect their future. It’s worth noting that these questions were asked and answered on March 18/19 and can only provide a snapshot of a rapidly evolving situation.

Operations
Every brand we spoke to was still able to operate in some form under the lockdown. Max Commencal explained that production in Taiwan was working normally so most of his staff were able to work from home, while the logistics department has “set up processes which respect the recommendations of relevant health authorities.”

As many staff as possible have been asked to work at home for brands including Commencal

Extra precautions have been taken at brands such as EXT where staff are on-site and assembling parts. Franco Fratton, the Technical Director of the brand, explained that all workers must send a picture of themselves with a thermometer to prove they do not have a temperature before coming in to work. Another change is to have a dedicated courier drop off point in a quarantined area so that no unnecessary personal contact is created. Any deliveries that do arrive are then sprayed with a 70% alcohol antivirus solution before they are taken inside the factory. EXT have also divided the work day into 2, a morning shift and an afternoon shift, so fewer people are working together.

Orbea has also introduced new regulations that they have borrowed from their Asian suppliers that go above and beyond the protocols of the Spanish government. These include hiring busses to safely transport their staff to work, introducing the 1.5 metre distancing protocol before it was legally mandated in Spain and staggering break times so that there are never too many people in one space.

A seamless transition to full operation hasn’t been the case for all brands though. Hutchinson, who have a factory in Chalette-sur-Loing, France, have today closed for safety reasons until April 6 and will not be making deliveries until then. Met have also put their warehouse on hold "for safety reasons but also to follow the general lockdown of the shops". The other brands we spoke too also expressed that if the situation worsens that they may have to do the same too but for now they are trying to carry on as normally as possible.

The implications of the lockdown
In the short term, frustration seems to be the biggest issue for the brands. We’re only a few days into the lockdowns and in reality that’s not enough time for brands to feel any serious effects yet. Ander Olariaga, Marketing Manager at Orbea, said: “I think that the difficulties are similar for most of the brands; uncertainty generates stress, to stay at home with the kids is stress, not being able to ride a bike outside is stress.”

Orbea
Orbea claim that its co-operative structure has helped it to safeguard its workers during the outbreak.

Forecasting ahead, however, paints a more gloomy outlook on the implications of the lockdown. Of course, there’s no telling how long the lockdowns will last, especially as both the Italian and French governments discussed extensions to theirs earlier today, but the longer they are, the greater tolls they will undoubtedly take on the brands affected.

bigquotesIt will change the industry for at least a couple of yearsAnder Olariaga, Marketing Manager, Orbea

Vittorio Platania, Marketing Manager at Formula, said: “We know there will be a beneficial effect due to these measures, but we still don't know when this will happen. We are all fighting against an enemy who does not allow us to take immediate and evident actions. Everything we do will have an effect in the next fifteen or twenty days... predicting the future is impossible at this stage. The containment, at the moment, is the only tool we all have to overcome this outbreak in the shortest time possible.

Max Commencal said of a longer lockdown: “In this case, it would, of course, be more dramatic. Not for us in particular but for the whole planet. We [Commencal] are not the most fragile but we should not exaggerate either.”

Ulysse Daessle, PR for Met and Bluegrass, added, “There will definitely be an impact on the revenue and the global activity of all the brands in the cycling industry… The intensity and the number of problems that will emerge from this situation depend also a lot on how long it will take to stop the outbreak.”

A few brands also mentioned the impact the shutdown was having on their athletes. With the race calendar up in the air and uncertainty rife throughout cycling, training plans will have to be thrown out the window and athletes may have to make the most of an indoor set up for now. Athletes are also tied into contracts that may require them to attend a certain number of events or races, this could mean difficulties down the line if a flurry of clashing events are packed together in autumn.

Olariaga said, “it will change the industry for at least a couple of years - races, shows, product launches, everything is postponed or cancelled and there is not time for everything to be organized again at the end of the year. We need all of them to survive but it won't be easy.”

bigquotesAfter the outbreak, I think it will be important to support your local dealers. They will need it as they will be impacted hard by this crisisUlysse Daessle, PR for Met and Bluegrass

These bikes will be staying hung up at Commencal's HQ as the brand is recommending against riding so hospitals aren't overwhelmed.

What's next?
The biggest immediate danger seems to be facing local bike shops who will lose at least 2 weeks of custom and are a vital link between some of the brands we spoke to and the public. Shops can also be a valuable resource to the local riders by providing advice, organising group rides and being a hub for the community.

Ulysse Daessle, PR for Met and Bluegrass, said, “After the outbreak, I think it will be important to support your local dealers. They will need it as they will be impacted hard by this crisis. And obviously to go riding and connecting with the brands you share values with.”

Orbea's Olariaga was also hoping for unity to help the recovery of the industry. He said, "if the industry is not united we all will suffer the consequences. We are a huge peloton that needs more than ever pedal together. We know that some people will lose their employment but we need people to continue normal habits. It's very important that once they are able to go outside, to support their local shops. The small shops will suffer a lot because they do not have the capacity or the right to keep the business open during the lockdown."

The clear message that came from all brands was to follow the guidance of the local health authorities and self-isolate to stem the spread of the virus. The sooner that the virus passes, the sooner things can return to normal and the disruption should be kept to a minimum. Commencal even echoed the Italian Cycling Federation in asking people not to ride. Max Commencal said: “we recommend not going out to ride. Now is not the time to clutter hospitals. Put your life on hold, stay at home and trust the people in charge. This is serious and it's not the time to play unruly for once. It’s simply the quickest way to get back to this 'normal' life that we love so much."

In an unprecedented period of history, the brands in the heart the European shutdowns seem to be managing so far however with uncertainty surrounding the next steps of the Coronavirus outbreak, the worst is likely still to come.


127 Comments

  • 75 0
 Hate to say this, bike shops will be losing a lot more than just 2 weeks custom, let’s be realistic at this point.
  • 20 9
 So many people underestimating this still and the people who didn't take the early warnings seriously have made it so much worse. We are looking at a worldwide economic depression of unknown length in a decent case scenario. Worst case scenario is the dollar collapses and all currency becomes worthless.
  • 105 2
 Worst case scenario the grid goes down and I can't charge my E-bike
  • 14 4
 @JimmyWeir: The doomsday preppers are rubbing their hands, plug it into solar panel and you can keep on cheating up those hills ;-)
  • 4 17
flag Fat-Thor (Mar 20, 2020 at 5:55) (Below Threshold)
 Well lets hope that one thing that can come from this, less expensive bikes.... but we all know that will not happen
  • 4 4
 @JimmyWeir: sorry to break it to you, but when the mad maxesque wars break out and all the fuel will be gone, you'll be first to be chases down as your ebike will be too heavy to quickly pedal away
  • 3 3
 @Fat-Thor: from what exactly? A new found material thats way cheaper then what they're currently built with? People who complain about bike prices don't realize that each and every individual part has its own R&D and manufacturing process and cost which add up to the total of a whole bike. If you want a decent bike, you have to pay the price. There is no way around it and brands aren't going to just magically get cheaper until materials and development do. I guarantee that isn't going to be the effect of quarantine, isolaton And less productivity
  • 2 2
 @Zimbaboi: I rspectfully disagree. Some of my buddies have their club deals which gets them complete bikes at 60% off retail. I on the other hand pay full pop for my bikes. With those differences, there has to be a middle ground of lower retail pricing.
  • 5 0
 @bobby-burgess: Holy shit I need to get on that program. 60% off retail is like 30% better than EP.
  • 4 0
 @DoubleCrownAddict:


Said every Pro DH Rider When they had seen this Brooke MacDonald video.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=FUPqHzzzSak


Statements slightly amended:

- "So many people underestimating this still and the people who didn't take the early warnings seriously have made it so much worse."
- "We are looking at a worldwide pro men's DH emotional depression of unknown length in a decent case scenario."
- "Worst case scenario is the UCI collapses and all other pro DH competitor's contracts become worthless."
  • 13 10
 @DoubleCrownAddict:

Lol no. The virus is a serious issue, but its mostly well under wraps. China has opened up travel. Once testing and vaccines become more available, this will be a non issue. The purpose of the quarantine (which is the primary thing that is affecting the economy) is to not overwhelm the medical systems.

Even in 2008, when actual value got destroyed in the form of massive mortgages on houses without peoples ability to pay those, the economy rebounded. In this recession, no real value is destroyed, the demand is artificially suppressed. Once quarantine is over, after the frictional period, the demand for goods and services is going to be back up after the frictional period, as people will settle into new jobs and money will start flowing.

If there is anything I learned from history of 3 recessions within my liftetime, is that every time something like this happens, most people don't understand basic economic principles, and there ones that are the loudest always try to appear more woke by crying about the end of times. So chill out and go for a bike ride.
  • 13 1
 @phops: Not sure if 675 dead per day in Italy is “well under wraps”. Death toll in Europe is already higher than it was in China, virus is spreading rapidly in US too, so we’re in for a long ride.
  • 2 0
 @phops You're right that things will rebound, in 10 years nobody is going to be saing "if only we hadn't Corona virus everything would be fine", but I wouldn't underestimate this either. Here in Europe many people have lost their jobs already because small businesses can't afford to pay their salaries. The longer it goes on the worse it will get. Governments and central banks are going to have to inject a lot of money into the economy to keep it out of paralysis and that's not inconsequential. Here in Spain I think most people have tacitly accepted that we will be in lockdown for the next 6 weeks at absolute minimum but realistically it could be more like 3 or 4 months. We're not going to revert to the stone age or anything but it will definitely have a lasting impact.
  • 2 0
 @phops: "So chill out and go for a bike ride." Tell this to those who live in Spain.
  • 1 0
 @phops: This virus is not even close to being contained in most of the western democracies of the world, the quarantine isn't a very effective quarantine, and America in particular is so far behind in the testing that we are fighting it blind. A significant portion of the US public no longer trusts the media and is not taking this seriously. New clusters will emerge in Florida and other southern areas over the next couple weeks that will likely make the national emergency we should have had a month ago look entirely too little too late.

I hope we can eventually rebound but we need an effective and lengthy quarantine if we don't want to overrun the entire health care system. If the rest of the world sees our entire health care system collapse into chaos it would likely affect confidence in the dollar. Real value will be lost on a massive level the stock market crash is devastating retirement savings and at least 25% of the population faces extended unemployment. I just don't understand how the government is going to create enough fake money to cover for all of this while still maintaining credibility while everything continues to collapse until the infection and death rates start to turn around. They aren't even close to slowing down, they are actually spiking. If death rates continue to spike for the next month I imagine a dow around 5 to 10 thousand at best.

Any previous recession experience goes out the window with this collapse unless you are old enough to tell me that you lived through the great depression on the 30's.
  • 26 3
 I understand the sentiment of supporting your LBS, but the harsh reality is our sport is a luxury many won't be able to afford for some time. I think we will see a glut of used bikes and kit appearing on the second hand market as people are left with little choice than to sell non essential items, just to put food on the table and keep a roof over their heads. The government here in the UK are putting measures in place to try to lessen the impact to business, but the harsh reality is many will slip through the net. Many people who are self employed or on zero hours contracts will get little or no support unless further measures are put in place. Regardless of the health implications, the economic impact of Corvid19 will be devastating to many.
  • 38 14
 I do hope prices of stuff made in Asia will go up so that they can increase their standard of living, pump money in food testing, healthcare so that we have a lesser chance of this mess happening again. It could get waaaay worse. Then maybe people in the West spent less money on shit food they would be more immune. Forests are being cut down in poor areas of the world just so that some a*shole can have a steak once a day. Because all we are dealing now is the reality of what it costs to make and sell stuff in Europe and knowing it can be made cheaper in Asia. As we can see we are very dependent on what is going on in the other side of the world, principle of optimization and cost effectivity has bitten back quite harshly. We will all lose at least 10% of our income by average, how much do we save by shopping on AliExpress?! We have no folks around who are even willing to work in a factory. Try to start a mass production on anything in Europe in times of prosperity. not enough willing and more importnatly EDUCATED, skilled workforce.

Who the hell said our economical growth is something normal and that's how it should be? The inequality is quite staggering. Nothing better than westeners whining on not being able to afford fricking toys. Sign of times: influencers crying in their VLOGs they have no more source of income! You are not supposed to have any source of income if your job is to talk nonsense and try to sell some stupid crap nobody needs!

This is what happens when crisis happens - leisure, culture, toys and hobbies die first. Just go to a grocery store, at least 30% of products there are utter shyte nobody should ever put into their mouth or use at home.
  • 10 9
 Boris is f*cktard, really.
He just said yestarday there is 'zero prospect' on locking down London. My ass. At the same time riots happening in Peckham (south London).
They're just passing the responsability of closing down onto the busnisses, the more is closed down voluntarily before a lockdown, the less the goverment will have to spend in help.
In my company many people just quitted and went back to their countries cause many couldn't afford a month or two being here with just the statutory sick pay (or no pay at all)
  • 15 15
 the health impact is and will be insignificant in the grand scheme of things as annual deaths go it's a pimple on the chin.
Yeah the figures the press put out look all scary in their big red letters, but there are far worst virus out there doing the rounds that make covid look like a shaving cut.
If your panicking about this do your self a favour and never read the ONS website in the uk or the WHO website if your looking for international figures.
but for a quick snapshop.

in just the last week of january 700 people just in the uk needed intensive care treatment for the flu a decent chunk of those will have died, dont get the impression there is a vaccine for flu, there isn't. the flu jab is just a guess as to what strain they think may be doing the rounds that particular year. that figure was quite a big decrease from the preceding weeks too.

1200 ish people a day die in the uk approximately in winter time 40% of those deaths are caused by respiratory infections.

As panic spreads about worldwide covid deaths hitting 10,000 bare in mind measles, f*cking measles did 140,000. (thanks for that anti-vaxxers)

covid currently has some way to go to even catch up with rhinovirus or the common cold as its called.

does 144 in 3 months seem like Armageddon to you now?
  • 9 4
 @b45her: Healthcare is not "dimensioned" for such a big addiitonal factor. Increasing healthcare capacity in terms of equipment is a matter of a year or two. It is much harder with personel, it's not just about training time it's about a nr of people applying for education in the field. It will surely go up now but it will take time 3-6 years. It's "easy" with Doctors, but to become a nurse it is much harder, since who the fk wants to sit at work as much as a doctor and be paid nothing. We have incredibly low mistakes made by doctors world wide, but if we speed up their education, sht will go wrong. And media just love to fkng stone a doc that failed. You can look at folks working in Healthcare in Italy (just an example where it went too fast) are definitely not treating just a few more people. It was enough to make them work to the edge (and sadly beyond) their working capacity and it's not like they've been doing Sudoku for most of the time before it all arrived...

There's shit loads of stuff out there just waiting to come out. Aside of other diseases transmitting form Animals to humans, which are hard to prevent due to low testing and hygiene standards, there's Enough psychos to see it as a great opportunity to spread other diseases on purpose. We need more testing of animals and more vaccines - this will take a decade... we don't stockpile anything since we are so used to getting everything on demand.

So when Healthcare tries to limit Corona, they cannot work on regular issues as effectively as they have done until now. Like a mangled MTBer. So now imagine yourself lying with broken pelvis and waiting for an operation for a week, when there's no pain killers. Pain being one thing, risk of getting infected with other stuff, like hospital pneumonia being another. You ride with a mild flu, crash, get some shit into your wound and your body is at higher risk of sepsis - you come to a hospital not sure why you feel like crap, they turn you around since they don't have resources to check you thoroughly, you go back home and you die of septic shock few hours later. It's an extreme example but if it gets as extreme as Italy or worse, you're f*cked. Accidents like Car crashes happen all the time and these people need intensive care. This indirect severe meidcal conditions and deaths are reality du eto Corona occupying big portion of Healthcare.

And what do we propose? Going to go out and do mass shootings in Elderly homes or clinics for diabetics?
  • 2 1
 @b45her: "covid currently has some way to go to even catch up with rhinovirus or the common cold as its called." That's to be expected when you consider how many more people have had a cold versus Corona.
Until we know how many people have been infected by Corona virus, it's impossible to make any meaningful comparisons regarding mortality rates. Hopefully far more people have had the virus without knowing it than current numbers suggest, meaning mortality rates are not as high as the experts currently fear.
  • 7 15
flag b45her (Mar 20, 2020 at 3:49) (Below Threshold)
 @WAKIdesigns: I agree to a point, but this whole thing has blown up to preposterous levels, some strain coronavirus has been around since the 60's, it mutates just like the common cold and flu do. only its no where near as deadly (dont let the manipulated figures the media publish fool you) there are probably hundreds of thousands possibly millions of people world wide that have contracted it but shown little to mild symptoms. it will go the way of all the other strains, it will run for around 15 weeks a large percentage of the population will have had it and no longer be transmitters and it will go away until the next one comes along in a few years.

its a cycle thats been going on for decades only now we live in an age where the media relies on clicks for their income, Get used to this kind of thing because the traditional and social media have seen how much money can be made through inducing panic in people that regard facebook as a scientific journal.

There are going to be an awful lot of these manufactured events in the future.
  • 25 0
 everyone now thinks they are epidemiology experts
  • 14 0
 @b45her: is not about a super deadly virus, is about too many people getting sick at the same time since is very contagious.
Is a proven fact that is easier to turn into pneumonia and other complications than common flu. Too many people with messed up lungs at the same time and hospitals collapse.

I'm a former radiographer in touch with radiographers working in both UK and Spain, my sister is a nurse, my best friend a doctor, I've seen TC scans of severe pneumonias.
Most PB audience has nothing to worry about, still, don't be the musicians in the Titanic, pls.
  • 5 0
 @ismasan: I'm amazed at how many people are being blase about this. The vast majority of those infected will come through unscathed from a health point of view, but how much of a consolation will that be if you cause the death of a vulnerable friend/relative because you decide to ignore expert advice?
This is a quote from Minister for the Cabinet Michael Gove around Brexit;
"I think the people in this country have had enough of experts with organisations from acronyms saying that they know what is best and getting it consistently wrong."
I wonder what his opinion of expert advice is now?
  • 4 13
flag b45her (Mar 20, 2020 at 4:39) (Below Threshold)
 @ismasan: thats kind of the point i'm making,
around 10,000 people a week in the uk get diagnosed with flu, of those around 700 a week need intensive care treatment, extrapolate that back to say a 4 month winter period and your sitting at in the region of 160,000 cases ,11,200 needing intensive care.
1200 people /day died in the uk last year, in winter time 40% of that figure is from respitory infections.
so lets be generous and say 400/day
so first reported case in the uk was 22 jan so 60 days say.
144 corona virus vs the underlying rate of 24,000 or an increase of 0.6%.
even the volume of cases doesn't hold water 3400 vs underlying rate 160,000 or 2% increase do you honestly believe that its going to cripple the health system?

the panic is going to to cripple it not the illness, take away the manufactured fear and its not even news worthy.
  • 4 3
 @ b45her - if we ONLY focus on impact on healthcare: Even if it is 1% deadly if you get 1% of population into hospitals within 1-2 months it's a nightmare for healthcare system. It's as simple as that. And manufacturing man... who do you think earns on that? The answer is: nobody else other than folks who sit at home anyways. All corporations are losing money. I am not getting into any conspiracies. I leave it to whackos.
  • 1 5
flag WAKIdesigns (Mar 20, 2020 at 4:43) (Below Threshold)
 @allredbikes: what's the closest alternative to being a smart ass? Big Grin
  • 4 0
 btw, hospitals collapse because;

- You're introducing breathing problems to already critical people coming from surgeries and with other illnesses, meaning double trouble.
- Resources like O2 and ventilators are finite, not enough for evybody, again affected of C19 or any other condition, meaning your uncle coming from a bypass surgery will be f*cked too w/o a ventilator, even if he never gets C19.
-Staff and working hours are finite too and won't double as patients do, that means less care for everyone independently of why they're at the hospital.
-Urgent diagnosis and/or treatment for other illnesses is affected too, as waiting times increase.
  • 3 0
 @WAKIdesigns: Some of the stuff I'm reading around supposed conspiracies, I'm surprised supermarkets haven't run out of tinfoil.
  • 2 5
 @metaam: I thought it would be the biggest irony in the modern history... BREAKING NEWS! Corona virus dies near instantly when getting within an inch distance from surfaces made of soft metals...
  • 6 11
flag b45her (Mar 20, 2020 at 5:02) (Below Threshold)
 @WAKIdesigns: i'm not saying its a manufactured virus, i'm saying it's a manufactured problem.
with people that are ill enough for covid to seriously affect them, the likelihood of them ending up in hospital with pneumonia is incredibly high anyway.
If covid didn't get them something else would have.

If governments had said flu is running 1.5-2% higher mortality rates this year no one would give a shit.
give it a scary name and a load of clickbait headlines and the world economy is about to collapse.
  • 1 0
 @ismasan: I know of at least one lab that does routine respiratory illness testing that has run out of kits, due to the kits not being available or import/export restrictions. Oh, they already tested for corona before this strain appeared, and most their patients are sick children...

So I completely agree, it's not COVID-19 that will kill their patients, it will be them being unable to access the resources to diagnose and treat their existing conditions, which aren't going to take a holiday because there is a new kid in town.

I'll still be turning up for work to fix the machines when they break, assuming they still have the kits and staff to run them.
  • 8 3
 @b45her: you still don't get it. Let's say healthcare is a jar and various health conditions are balls. Road accidents in, regular accidents in, seasonal flu in, pneumonia in, child births in, and so on - you are left with a bit of room for small balls. But Corona IS a set of many balls (no matter how small they are) due the the fact how contageous it is. There's just no room for it in current state of our Healthcare systems... it can't be that hard to understand... it's as if your boss was adding work for you - at some point you just crash.
  • 11 8
 @b45her: You are a complete f*cking idiot. That is all.
  • 8 4
 @justanotherusername: yeah that's how we are making the world a better place... come on. Even my aggro troll is on quarantine Big Grin

I've been bringin up same argument no more than 3 weeks ago. Let's have some... understanding.
  • 3 3
 @WAKIdesigns: There isnt currently any room left for people hard of thinking that want to continue to argue that this is 'da flu and da medias made us scared'

Why bother arguing with a reasoned, logical position to somebody who will just come back at you with utter shit?
  • 4 4
 @justanotherusername: because humans are learning slowly... it's better to cure him now with explanation rather than call him an idiot and watch him dig his heels in and share even more unedcuated guesses. I assure you there are millions of folks who started with this idea and now changed their attitude. Also... at least he checked stats - in Pre Corona terms that's like being a higher priest. Most people are talking straight out of their arse... compassion, let's have compassion Smile

Look, highly possibly, by pure rule of statistics, some pro rider will get injured. if they will be oblivious enough to rules of engagment in Social Media world... they will post a pic of themselves in the hospital. You know the usual dumb thumb up thing. They will be condescended into oblivion for "taking risks in those special hard times". And you know what? Half of those accusations will come from folks bitter from sitting at home. Not because the athlete did something fundamentally wrong. they were doing their god damn job!

Just watch...
  • 4 4
 @allredbikes: including WAKI and his unfounded claims and relentless attacks. He truly is a jerk and now isn’t the time to be attacking anyone; We’re all in this together.
  • 2 6
flag WAKIdesigns (Mar 20, 2020 at 6:35) (Below Threshold)
 @beanandcheeseburrito: relentless attacks? Oh, uh, what?... wanna see a therapist about that? Uncreconciled feelings of being bullied online can leave deep scars... oh wait I just did it! I am a douche bag Big Grin
  • 4 1
 @WAKIdesigns: there was an excuse for talking crap but I think that has long passed.

The only reason for still holding onto this opinions that I can sympathies with is fear and a desire not to admit the truth about what is happening.
  • 2 2
 @justanotherusername: whatever mate... I am incapable of taking the mental burden to be Corona Elite Guard. Otherwise I’d have to start killing people for other things. Like owners of white Audis, Mercs or Volvos. Almost got driven over by one today, got hit mirror into my hand, while walking on the pavement. Out of sheer luck volvos have incredibly sensitive side mirrors. Ironically he’s been Asian... I git super angry at first but then it got comical. You see... stupid people will kill us in one way or another.
  • 1 0
 @b45her: and you are a danger to everyone around you.
  • 2 4
 @reverend27: Another white knight... don’t you people see that your fixed stance is exactly the source of the problem? You just teamed up withe stronger party. It is being so convinced of your own right that makes people end up in shitty places. Too many of us have been raised to “do the right thing” to “defend the just cause at all costs” but nobody told you what that just cause is, the societies, media and politicians around the world were unclear on what the right thing to do is. You ended up on the right side of spectrum and now you are being dicks about it. How? Because you obviously have no fkng education in virology and epidemiology. Cut the bullshit baby.

Science is not about being sure, it is about getting data, analyzing it and coming with conclusions, presenting them to others who can check them and compare with own research. You are not doing it. You are coming from position of being assured, you have an assumption and you are latching onto data that seems to support your idea. It slowly evolves.

Witch hunt is a natural thing humans do, just like panic, so control it! We are very close to witch hunt stage of this thing. It’s going to be one nasty throwing accusations among countries by which Trump vs Hillary was a walk in the park. Italy will have a damn hard time... while the reality they just had bad luck to be first. Same would happen in other individualistic societies.

Prepare your hearts for the Witch Hunt... we will not be the same after this is over, we will seek justice that isn’t there.
  • 1 0
 @WAKIdesigns: white knight?
Its common sense.

Thing is you had a portion of the population trying to fake news and lie about it. You arent fake newsing this away.

Everyone do as much as you can to slow the spread.

That's it.
  • 3 3
 @reverend27: currently watching the Australian documentary on Wuhan... ffffuuuuuck... IT will take me some time to process it... yeah whoever is having any doubts, just drop it... if you live in a Western country chances are you won’t be dragged out against your will or bolted inside your house but... it’s for good and bad. Then the Italian death toll from today as well as number of New cases... lots of recoveries too but if the numbers keep rising the recovery rate will go down.

@bh45her - please watch this.
youtu.be/ycrqXJYf1SU
  • 3 0
 I'm self employed. Had jobs cancelled already.
If it keeps happening I'm pretty f**ked.
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 @Allen82: we are working hard here to keep the building industry going if it’s possible. Talked to a project leader from contractors side. He said they have almost 50% people off the site already, quarantining themselves, but they are trying to keep the schedule. They don’t want to get into litigation mess, even though theoretically they can pull thenforce majeur card any moment... We have a bit of extra pressure to finish off everything earlier in case of a complete shut down.
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 @WAKIdesigns: I think the least of our problems in construction will be finishing projects. The issue will be getting the new ones started.
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 @b45her: Wow! You’re really not getting this are you?
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 @b45her: You're a tool mate, better to keep it shut than talk about stuff you obviously have no clue about.

There is a vaccine for the seasonal flu. Randomized controlled studies from the norwegian FHI (public health institute) show a roughly 60 percent immunization among the general population from this vaccine, and a roughly 88 percent amongst health workers. Often the vaccine protects a person for several years afterwords, as seasonal flu often resembles last years flu.

Covid-19 is more contagious and more deadly than a seasonal flu - and as severel others have tried to explain your dumb ass, this can potentially put extreme strains on the health care systems.

Source (Google translate this bitch if you want to and stfu) :

www.fhi.no/nettpub/vaksinasjonsveilederen-for-helsepersonell/kunnskapsgrunnlag/influensa
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 @WAKIdesigns: Take what the Australian media says about China with a grain of salt. They have been beating the Chinaphobia for quite some time now - actually, historically since the Gold Rush in Victoria in the 19th Century.

Bunch of fn wankers.

As for the virus, be vigilant, use basic common sense and keep living. I am more concerned with the behind the scenes economic collapse. This, to me is the real issue and the virus is a timely cover for the plug being pulled on trillions of debt and derivatives that can not be serviced. Act locally with your neighbors to get through this and keep peddling.
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 @gnarterrorist: I will put it like this. We can learn some from 9/11. Around 6k US citizens died in total. The US went on a completely idiotic crusade that gave birth to ISIS and worst of the worst people in the region. We figured out that US gov and military were full of shit, they didn’t find weapons of mass destruction and they destabilized the region even more. But nothing, NOTHING happened to them and we went on with our lives. It will take several years to kind of take it apart with Covid19. I am taking it with a pinch of salt. That scene in the movie where a dude lies on the street? Then Australian scientists being first? I’m... I’m a bit too Polish for that. This doc smells. But then I look at Italy... i am perfectly happy to believe we are overreacting. But it is irrelevant. We humans don’t like to dig inside, NOBODY will want to dig too deep into it. We will dig a bit for coming 2 years, but the real answer, will come around 2030. When it will be fine to either condemn overreaction or lack of subordinattion.
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 @b45her: where were we when 3300/day were dying in traffic. I guess those people don't matter.
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 @ceecee: we know how many people die in traffic. Its predictable and is not going to all the sudden jump by 200% in a couple weeks.

Really people with the x kills x amount of people why arent we worried about that?

Because we know what x is its accounted for and expected.

Get it?
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 @reverend27: that was not the point... the point is that we and media zoomed in on Covid 19 deaths. We don’t even bother to see stats on other Corona viruses. I meant that if we celebrated car accident deaths as much as we do with covid 19 maybe people would drive saferZzzzz
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 @WAKIdesigns: there's one thing to consider about mortality numbers too, and is that people will die of c19, who wouldn't have died of the same disease in a non pandemic situation. People who would live receiving proper care won't make it now, and that applies to other critical patients.
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 @ismasan: I know. It’s stillnot healthy to follow this sht like UEFA
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 @reverend27: we are worried about asymptomatic carriers--schools are shut and students sent home. A problem with @b45her's argument is that aggregate mortality hasn't been achieved. If C-19 blooms and/or mutates, could we get to fifty-million dead worldwide, as in 1918 pandemic? It's a figure to use in counterargument. 50m dead in a week is a much bigger logistical problem than 50m in a year, even if we die at irregular intervals. SARS only took 800, so the ban on wildlife trade was lifted after six months. Maybe we should rethink that. For now, I'm 'sheltering in place' on the edge of town and double-check tire pressure before hucking to chunk in an effort to save senior citizens. Peace out
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 @ceecee: I don’t know specifics of how Covid-19 works, I am not a virologist, but if you read on other Corona viruses you’ll see that there are a few circling around, not as deadly and not as contagious but humans don’t gain any long term immunity to any of them after having them. Vaccine is the only option if it can be made. So far nobody has ever created any vaccine against any Corona Virus. It seems to me that all we are doing is we are buying time for healthcare workers. So it seems This shit will continue until we have a vaccine. This means much worse news for the economy than whether Grandma will make it or not...

I may have missed some info since it is extremely difficult to dig beyond the current load of info on Covid 19. Google is simply infected with it. Data about Other Corona viruses is buried deep under it
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 @WAKIdesigns: starving young 'versus' suffocating old. If the wildlife economy in China made this again and Americans bought it on Alibaba, maybe it's progress that it's worse news. I'm privileged to have already lost a lot, so I don't say this lightly.
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 @ceecee: I am not sure what you mean. Whoever wins the biggest losers here are as usual the little people (self employed, small businesses, lowest grade employees of big companies) as well as those who make biggest sacrifice - healthcare. People who deserve to be put into justice, who ignored warnings completely, went to concerts, traveled to risk zones, sick people who went to work; but also journalists who keep pumping disgusting accusations, ridiculous opinion articles, uneducated criticism, politicians who said it will be fine... they will all just go unscathed.

I am tired of this bullshit called “press immunity”. There are 3 of leading journos in Sweden who deserve to lose their job


One thing is sure, if we keep pretending we can save everybody, if we keep looking at it as if it was a superhero movie, where hero saves everyone- we will all lose, big time. I don’t know where the good balance is for which situation. Only history will tell. For that reason alone we need to kill the moral high horse. Every country, possibly every province/ state of it will have it differently. It is extremely dangerous to look for common truth and be judgmental.
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 @ceecee: they didn’t close kindergartens and preschools and we can still go to work with highest safety precautions. I am perfectly healthy and hope I can work whole next week and if luck allows, one more. I’ll go and buy take away lunch to support owners of restaurants, who are seriously shitting themselves and are glad whever they see a client. If we’ll all be told to stay at home I’ll do my best to work from home To the best possible result . Not because I am shitting myself for losing my job, but because every moving gear is making this world a better place. i can also buy XBOX, lots of booze and weed and stay home.
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 @WAKIdesigns: & one leading politician in USA who deserves to lose his, but will go unscathed. All I mean is a failed economy starves you and failed global healthcare suffocates you. Both SARS and C-19 are thought to have originated via zoonotic jump in Chinese wildlife markets under conditions as barbaric but less regulated than those of factory meat farming in the U.S. Both countries are determined to do business with little care for the environment and marginal care for workers. So if the economy on the whole is harming the planet, is it all bad news if its problems are highlighted by a pandemic? Will grandma dying make people reconsider their Amazon purchases? We have a multimillionare 'journalist' here who sells anti-coronavirus toothpaste, and people buy it, so we're probably f*cked. Also, we know you're buying 'shrooms, not booze. I'll pick up the slack.
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 @ceecee: Alex Jones and Jim Baker should be dragged into the street and beaten with canes on worldwide television.

At the least.

Both are selling nano silver covid medications. Modern snake oil essentially.

What do I think of those buying it and those who watch their shows..
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 @reverend27: as long as the canes are of sufficient length to be WHO-approved for social distance, it's okay by me
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 @ceecee: Alex Jones, oh well I meant journalists working for Swedish versions of NY Times or The Guardian. We have some moralists here I’d gladly See forced to eat their own poop
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 @ceecee: it is quite incredible what sort of disinformation utter shyte can be described as better sort of journalism... when the article being theoretically about racism is obviously written by right wing a*sholes.
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 @WAKIdesigns: Elisabeth Åsbrink and Umut Özkirimli are right-wing a*sholes? Seriously? I suppose her Polish translator is a neo-Nazi sympathizer....
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 Biggest issue not mentioned on this feature is people's confidence to spend money. Many industries (hospitality, aerospace, etc.) will be severely changed forever. This will send waves through the whole economy with the amount of money people have to spend on luxury goods (which an MTB is) dropping.

The lockdown is the least of our worries. Lets hope we get through that with the least number of people dying. The subsequent global economic recession will knacker a lot of companies and change our lives forever.

Our greed has put us in a position where the economy is based upon a massive faslehood of promise and purchased risk. Maybe this event will level that out, and only true added value will power the economy...
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 Don’t put it on greed. Every living organism wants to expand, human is the only Species which managed to turn it into a zero sum game and on a scale of whole human evolution it happened only recently, with arrival of industrial revolution. With this logic Corona is greedy as hell. Look at it from the point of evolution. For the big part greed is what allowed us to get where we are. Greed assumes a form of malice, it assumes Being selfish in presence of many other good choices. It doesn’t work like that but it doesn’t mean we don’t make stupid choices when we should have known better. But not everyone is in position of buying a margarita shaker or investing in Healthcare. Vast majority of population isn’t. What seems to me failed here is not creating surplus in healthcare, but if we are to stock pile more, we will earn less, we cannot change one factor and expect for everything to go well . And there’s plenty of folks out there shouting against NHS as if fkng Private HC would solve it better. Political systems are ineffective everywhere. Many decisions are taken with big regard to public opinion driven by those who scream most. Not based on Scientific facts. But our political systems are an animal driven by slow steady evolution. The irony of it all is how many intellectuals are saying: “chill out people, I wouldn’t like to be in charge!”Exactly! Politicians are almost always made of sleezy people deprived of morals, opportunists, con men and Power junkies. Show me a group of 18yr olds and within a few days of being with them I will show you who is likely to be a politician. Not many thoughtful folks in that group. There is no way to get higher up in this game without being a manipulative and full of crap
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 *non zero sum game
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 @WAKIdesigns: OK, maybe not everyone's greed. And yes, we do need to grow. But as you say, there's a morally corrupt bunch who take more than they add.

Much of the economy is based upon the the rich getting richer. It's this intangible, non-material wealth that makes everything so volatile. I totally understand why it has become like this, but a version of capitalism where risk is only shared up one level would be a lot more stable, even if the growth wasn't as big. Maybe it's time to try this out as an alternative...
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 @phutphutend: what is fascinating to me is that all it took was a minor adjustment. You don't need to become vegan or move to anothertown or sell the car or never go on a vacation... just don't go to pubs/ restaurants, clubs, stop going to concerts and mass events. Hey about cancel your fkng skiing holidays in Italy when they are saying there's this virus problem hellooooo! You'll actually save money baby! Living there for a week is expensive as hell! Ski resorts are robbing you! I cancel more trips to bike parks that I can remember, due to various things, my kids getting sick being one of them. B b b b but I paid X amount of Euro for it - oh guess what you may as well get a gearbox failure in your car tomorrow. And skiing? resorts are getting so congested, I don't get it anymore. That thing in Vail Colorado this year?! Jesus...

Imagine bike parts will go up 30% in price because we need ot move production back to Europe or US. Will it really make all the difference?! hell no! What we don't spend on hobby, many of us spend on all sorts of stupid stuff. When this is over, just look what people put into their shopping baskets... it's neough to give us a picture. Half of it is not: ooooh I want thiiiiis! It's "why not?". I guess it's not greed, it's lack of consideration. Hard to name these things Smile
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 Just like any other crysis the big players with funds/savings will survive, small businesses and shops will be broke.
Only a fool will think this is not made up by said big players trying to increase their share, and get plenty support from the government. And this is not just for the bike industry
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 only a fool wouldn't believe MY conspiracy theory!
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 I ordered the Ext Storia a few weeks ago. It’s not the end of the world of it never makes it bit I’m happy to hear they found a way to keep working. I hope they and the other small companies doing cool things can make it through this.
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 Ordered one 2 weeks ago and received it on wednesday. I wasn't expecting to get it that fast !
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 Thank you very much for believing in our work, we're doing our best to keep our customers satisfied .. Stay safe !
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 Ordered mine mid-February, and it arrived last week. Won’t be able to ride it under the curfew, but building up the new bike gives me motivation, even if this season will probably never happen.
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 @RideEXT: Best of luck to you and your business
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 This is going to have a ripple effect for a long time.
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 We will see the final effects when this shit has gone around the world.
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 If Orbea has put all these safety measures in place how come they can't even respond to an email for a warranty claim that they've already screwed up twice on? This just makes me more mad that they claim all this and can't even keep a customer updated on the status of their warranty claim.
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 If this goes on for six months and it could it will globally destroy the world economy. Some people will die. Over 300 people die each year from automobiles in Britsh Columbia but we won't shut that down . Too important for the economy.
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 I can understand why they might take a hit, but looking at West Australia emergency measures, mountain bike is still perfectly fine as it doesn't have large groups riding together, at most a gathering might be 20 ppl and most trails easily make the 4m per person rule. ppl still ride and commute on bike so shops will still have business from them needing the basics, ie tyres, tubes, maintenance etc, mtbing is only a small part of the HUGE industry that is cycling, if we ALL work together we can keep our locals open.
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 There's going to be a lot of bikeshops closing who didn't fully embrace online shopping as part of their sales mix sadly. It'll be the massive shift away from face to face sales to online selling. The death of the shop. Even so distribution and delivery will then be massively effected by a lockdown. Everyone's going to suffer. The only upside is sales at the other end. A bitter bookmark.
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 "Self-isolate to stem the spread of the virus. The sooner that the virus passes, the sooner things can return to normal and the disruption should be kept to a minimum."

Seriously?! Why is this such a hard concept to grasp? One day sooner we all get on board with this is one day less we have to deal with it.
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 I'm self isolating for 2 weeks just as I was about to go on a ride for the first time in 10 months.
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 Im sure you can go out for a ride still, just dont go into any shops / get in close proximity to anyone and make sure you take it super easy so you dont end up needing somebody to patch you up.
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 @justanotherusername: nope - need to stay indoors.
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 @mtb-scotland: Fair enough man, if you think thats best and have advice to do so then thats absolutely what you should do, I suppose I am thining about my personal situation where I have no symptoms so am practicing distcancing but no isolation currently - if you are isolating for a reason then staying indoors has got to be the right way to do it.
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 @justanotherusername: Can go out in garden obviously and they say don't be within 2 M of someone but thats too much of a risk in my book. I'll tinker in garage and do other stuff. I'd likely meet someone if I went out on bike and with the wee one being unwell its not really a good time to go out anyway.
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 @mtb-scotland: Good call in that case, hope all goes well.
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flag cgreaseman (Mar 20, 2020 at 7:05) (Below Threshold)
 @mtb-scotland: This thing doesn't spread like some apocalyptic air-borne illness that kills you if you're within 100mi of a city. Ride your damn bike. Don't touch people. Don't get within coughing distance.
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 @mtb-scotland: Is that local policy, or just your sense of what it takes to stay safe / avoid transmission?

I ask because I'm in one of the California Bay Area counties where they've instituted "shelter in place" (I guess it's the whole state now). Despite this, authorities are encouraging outdoor recreation, provided you do it only with members of your household and maintain 2m distance from others.
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 @MtbSince84: Self-isolation, at least here in Canada, is a step between social distancing and full quarantine for those who have heightened risk of infection but have not tested positive. You're supposed to stay in the house, absolutely avoid all public spaces, and try to keep distance from those you live with.
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 @danprisk: Is self-isolation the situation in Squamish? Sounds like that would disallow even solo mountain biking on the Squamish trail system (it's a "public space"), which I don't think is the case.
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 @cgreaseman: That is the reason it has spread so much.
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 @justanotherusername: but for a lot of people that involves driving somewhere to ride.
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 @sacalobra: unless on an imposed lockdown I’m not sure this would be an issue of travelling solo.

If locked down, it’s all off.

The amount of a*sholes out in groups today though we need locking down :-(
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 @MtbSince84: Self-isolation here is for those who are showing symptoms, or have traveled out of the country recently (especially to hot spot areas). For everyone else it's (physical) social distancing. Trails aren't closed yet, but I've heard that people aren't changing their behaviour out there, so that might well come soon.
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 So will prices on "made in china boutique" collapse??
Or boutiques going to offer free bat soup with each made in china product?
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 California on lock down ain’t helping either with a lot of headquarters of parts suppliers based over there.... :-(
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 What a great time to be working in switzerland! Full salary guaranteed rain or shine, sick or fit, top class healthcare. Even if your company goes bust full paychecks keep rolling in for another six months.. makes me ashamed its only possible through inequality in other parts of the world
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 Whats the tax rate in Switzerland? There's a few other places I know of with similar policies but with very high tax... which honestly I'd be happy with.
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 @irollones: The problem is that overwhelming majority of country's governments do not know how to manage money well and are like teenagers with credit cards.
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 @irollones: income tax for me is about 10%, nice N low! But then theres another +/- 10% of dedections to a myriad of strange corners of the system (but not technically tax)
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 There are too many dicks on the dance floor. Some gotta leave to make room for the rest of us
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 I still don’t understand $5k-$10k bikes, I have no symphathy for this Industry when a bicycle cost more than a motorcyle!
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 So Im assuming I won't be getting my Orbea that is scheduled for delivery April 9th?
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 Orbea is a coop? That’s bad ass
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 Bike shops are open in San Francisco, they are deemed essential!
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