Ibis Announce Updated Ripley and New LS Model

Jun 29, 2015
by Richard Cunningham  
Ibis New Ripley

The Ibis Ripley will now be offered in two models: an updated version with the very well received standard geometry and a second model with a longer top tube and a slacker head tube angle called the Ripley LS. Ibis cut new molds for the standard and the LS version, and both 29ers share the same rear triangle, which has been reconfigured slightly to offer increased tire clearance. Ibis will offer both standard and LS models with either the present 142 standard or with the new Boost 148 hub standard beginning this fall, so riders can upgrade their existing parts to a new frame or choose next-gen components.

Both Ripleys will be available in a number of build kits that, in the Ibis fashion, can be customized to create your dream bike, or an afford-a-Ripley, using their virtual build page. Frames only will retail for $2900 USD, and standard builds (all popular Shimano and SRAM bits) begin at $3950 for the "Special Blend" and end at $8600 for Shimano Di2 components. Ibis has promised a test bike as soon as the LS frames show up, so stay tuned.

Ibis New Ripley
Internal cable routing that uses the same port system found on the HD3 has been added to the Ripley.
Ibis New Ripley
The Dave Weagle-designed suspension layout remains the same, with two small eccentric pivots hidden behind the swingarm.

What's New
• Two geometry options: The nimble geometry of the original or a new school long and slack version called the Ripley LS
• Internal cable routing that uses the same port system found on the HD3 (see left image above)
• Increased tire clearance
• Threaded bottom bracket
• Seat mast lowered by 1/2” to accommodate today’s longer droppers
• Choice of Boost 148 (staring in November '15) or 142mm x 12mm Shimano through axle (now)
• Stiffer eccentric cores
• New rubber molded chainstay and seatstay protection
• Two new colors (Tang, Black)
Features
• 120mm rear wheel dw-link travel
• Carbon fiber monocoque frame and swingarm
• 5.5 Pound frame* with Fox FLOAT DPS EVOL
• Approved for 120-140mm forks, 51mm rake is STRONGLY recommended
• Tapered head tube (suitable for various Cane Creeks & Chris King InSet 3)
• Shock Specs: Fox Factory FLOAT DPS 3pos w/Adj and EVOL Sleeve with Kashima Coat 184mm x 44mm
• Provision for internal cable-actuated or hydraulic adjustable seat posts
• Post mount rear brake mounts
• Shimano side swing front derailleur compatible.
• * Frame weight is for a medium black with shock but without seat collar, rear axle, or water bottle bolts

Geometry
Ibis New Ripley


Ibis New Ripley

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133 Comments
  • 49 1
 Long and Slack version isn't very long.
  • 17 0
 Yep, its just normal. The old version was really short.
  • 7 0
 Someone must be taking the Michael if they are calling this long and slack. My medium specialized pitch from 2010 has a 450 mm reach. This in medium is 411mm
  • 5 1
 Seriously. New Ripley Large LS reach = 428mm; Evil Following Large reach = 439mm; Transition Smuggler Large reach = 457mm.
  • 11 3
 The OG Ripley rides much different than what it would appear, on paper. I imagine that will be the case with the LS version too.
  • 2 3
 Probably has shorter chainstays, too.
  • 17 0
 clearly Ibis is still smoking that quality
  • 6 1
 LS refers to the wheelbase and head angle. And re: short reach, the frame has a much higher stack than most. You can't look at sizing without looking at BOTH reach and stack.
  • 3 0
 I semi agree with you on the stack point. The only other thing to take into consideration with stack though, is that the rider can adjust for stack by using different bar/stem/spacer combos.
  • 3 0
 Have you ever visited slamthatstem.com? But hey, it was Ibis's decision to make a frame that isn't exactly the same as every other frame geometry out now. Just pointing out that this bike will still fit perfectly while not making people hunch over. It's also awesome for people who prefer the control and feel of 50mm stems versus the 10~35mm stems.
  • 4 1
 Nope, surprisingly chainstays stayed the same, so you need to go to an XL to get the reach of a modern L, then the increased seattube length of the XL probably rules out a 150mm dropper, and the 17.5" chainstays mean you have a wheelbase approaching 47" which a lot of reviewers thought was too much on the L Intense Carbine.
  • 3 0
 i'm curious if you go for a boost rear hub; is the intention that you run a standard 29er 2.35" wide tire, or that you downsize to a 27.5+ 3" tire? Will the stays fit a ~3" wide tire? I'm guessing it was designed with one or the other in mind, or am I wrong?
  • 4 0
 Boost hubs were made because the spoke angles were uneven and that effect is magnified with bigger wheels.
  • 2 0
 ibis has always had short top tubes
  • 2 0
 In order to have a long reach, you need to have very short chainstays, so the wheelbase is reasonable. In the end the goal is to produce good handling bike, and not just to have long reach. And this is a trail bike, not an enduro bike, so it does not really need train-like stability at high speeds, on the contrary, it needs to be nimble.
  • 2 0
 @lkubica so are you wishing it had longer reach and shorter chainstays or not? You say it doesn't need train-like stability, which would come from long chainstays, which it has, but then you say, on the contrary, it needs to be nimble, which would come from short chainstays, which it does not have. Confused what your point was.
  • 1 1
 Reach and stack is a load of shit. They only need to provide one measurement, bottom bracket to head tube. It's the only thing that's important, since everyone is using the same forks and very similar head tube lengths. This measurement could be referred to as "length". Isn't it obvious?
  • 37 0
 Believe it or not
  • 15 0
 I saw what you did there.
  • 6 1
 The Bike Rumor article is titled "The Ibis Ripley gets even more talented..."
  • 33 2
 Good on Ibis for using a threaded BB. The Boost hub is a different story.
  • 8 4
 Nobody asked for wider flanges... It's not like wheels were getting destroyed everywhere! What BOOST does to wheels can be easily achieved by just making asymmetric rims, but not if you're hell-bent on pushing new SIZES every season. Must really suck for companies to have to make so many molds. But heck, what do I know
  • 18 2
 @RatHunter83 "boost hub is optional"
  • 8 7
 What if I told you, the bike is more expensive that it would have been, because Ibis had to purchase molds for the Boost front and rear triangles?
  • 6 0
 Nobody is asking you to change @theminsta but as someone who builds their own wheels I appreciate the update. Asymmetric drilling or offset lacing is a band-aid, not a solution.
  • 7 3
 in their newsletter ibis talked about the twins. so i hoped for boobs instead of boost! Wink
  • 4 1
 Actually, they are both solutions, while I could subjectively assert that the Boost size is the industry's band-aid to their gaping wound called "innovation".
  • 6 1
 There's a special Boost front triangle?
  • 2 13
flag theminsta (Jun 29, 2015 at 10:32) (Below Threshold)
 Boost hub has a 3mm wider chainline, so you definitely need a new front triangle and new cranks.
  • 4 2
 @TucsonDon @theminsta I don't think there's a special boost from triangle. A lot of bottom brackets have spacers you can add to correct the chainline. Also, you don't necessarily need new cranks if your cranks have a replaceable spindle (e.g. RaceFace Cinch cranks).
  • 5 1
 You don't need a new front triangle. You don't need new cranks.

You do need a different chainring (offset by 3mm).

You optionally need boost forks (110mm axle).
  • 5 0
 right. it is the rear that is different. and i am fine with it. boobs or boost, i ll take both.
  • 2 0
 Exactly. That's what I was trying to point out. Through sarcasm. Of course there's not a boost front triangle...
  • 7 1
 Hey maybe this could work out well... Someone with lots of $$$ can buy two of these Ripley's. One with Boost and one without but setup exactly the same and see if you can notice any difference when you ride the bikes on a trail.
  • 1 0
 @theminsta Where do you get the new Ripley is more expensive? Know this, I just bought one in Dec 14 so I know the price.
  • 4 3
 theminsta suffers from IPTiOOMA syndrome..."I pulled the info out of my ass"
  • 7 10
 You may not see these increased costs on your price tag when you buy it, but the costs of a few extra molds will have to be balanced somewhere else. Whether that be on that company's profits, employee salaries and benefits, future products and R&D, aftersales service, quality control, demo trips across the US and other countries, team budget, advertising budget, overhead of running the company, etc.

There is a reason why frame prices are steadily going up, and making extra molds for an untimely and unnecessary "standard" is not helping.

Deeeight, please go huck yourself off a Bender drop. Your senile and bald stack of crap for a head never seems to contribute anything worthwhile.
  • 13 0
 OK, Everybody listen. I am a toolmaker, moldmaker, and machinist with 17 years experience. I have made tooling and molds for multiple materials, manufacturing processes, etc.
Out of all the tooling I have designed, machined and finished by hand, Carbon Fiber molds are the easiest to make. They also wear at a more rapid rate than other tooling, so they are constantly being remade and one mold does not last several years.
Making new molds does not raise the price, the price is already high because they are constantly making new molds to replace the ones that are wearing out.

Whether the current prices are inflated is up for debate. If one small company like Pivot can sell new frames for 2500, then why are Specialized frames often over 3000? I thinks S-works frames are $4000
Also, the Ripley prices are the same as the one I purchased in January, with all the same components except for grips and crankset.
  • 1 0
 Pivot also sells $3000 frames, the 429SL for example. They used a lower modulus carbon fiber, which is less expensive but heavier, on the 429 Trail, as well as forgoing Di2 compatibility.

Specialized frames are $4K because people are willing to spend $4K for one (for whatever reason).
  • 4 3
 The boost 148 widens bracing angle by 3mm on each flange. Frame has to change to accept q-factor. It's a cool advancement. If we never progressed we would have 130 spacing and 1" threaded headsets. Nobody is asking you to buy a new bike. You're just believing that your old bike is outdated. 26" wheels are great. So is 135 spacing. Doesn't mean boost can't be good too. I accept the change.
  • 3 1
 What's di2 compatibility encompass? A place to mount a battery? That's not expensive to the tooling, at least not $500 expensive. Do people charge $500 more for a bottle mount?
Just because a company charges $500 for di2 compatibility does not mean that it cost them $500 extra to make the tooling. I don't feel that a small difference in design justifies charging $500 to the customers over thousands of frames, especially when they continue to charge that $500 for every frame after that, year after year no end.

When is the last time a company found a way to lower the prices of their bikes?

Ibis brought the special blend build so people like me could get a nice frame that was rideable off the shop floor, while I save money to upgrade the parts that need it, or parts that I just want to upgrade for the hell of it.

Kudos to santa cruz for finding a way to drop their prices with different material and layup. Those are the only two brands I've heard of recently.
  • 1 2
 Just because I disagree with the timing and significance of Boost hubs doesnt automatically mean I'm anti-innovation. And championP, thank you for the insight, but whether it is easy to make molds has little to do with how expensive carbon frame manufacturing is in the end. It would be really cool to hear from someone who has direct experience though
  • 2 0
 The front triangle doesn't need to change, as Ibis is running a conventional 68mm threaded BB on these frames.
  • 4 0
 Some of my experience was machining tooling at Enve, so some of my experience is directly related to the subject of component/frame cost vs mold changes and updates. It was nothing for an engineer to have a new rim idea on friday morning and have a prototype mid-day the following Monday. It happened often. My rambling was directed at how options like di2 compatibility, two rear end options-boost and 142x12, and two front end options - affect prices.

I wasn't trying to get between anyone here having a healthy debate, just to provide more accurate information about tooling and molds based on my manufacturing and engineering background.

My point was that it is not unreasonable for a healthy company to have several sizes and options available, all for the same price as their other full suspension frames.
  • 1 1
 It's easy to see why no one is making any money. All these new bikes look the same. There are like, a thousand bikes available that all look the same.
  • 25 0
 "What's new? ..... Threaded bottom bracket"

F*ck yes!
  • 18 0
 Kudos to Ibis as well, giving the people the choice between 142 and boost 148! They just do it right!
  • 4 0
 Happy to see they've sorted out the cable routing. routing through the head tube on the first release was a disaster.
Can someone explain what the advantage of a threaded bb is over the press fit - is it solely related to maintenance?

Thanks
  • 8 2
 re: threaded BB, it's much easier to service and less prone to creaking/popping because it's actually screwed in. PF often need to be installed with loctite, and once installed they can't be un-installed without destroying the BB.
  • 8 4
 Press fit actually makes a lot of sense with carbon frames. With a threaded BB in a carbon frame, you have metal bonded into the carbon shell. The bonding between the metal piece that's threaded and carbon can fail, then the frame is toast (I've seen this on two different frames). With a steel or alloy frame the threading for the BB is cut into the actual frame, so there is no chance of it failing like that. With a carbon frame if it's using the press fit BB that has a plastic shell between the frame and bearing, that's going to be the most trouble free and least likely to have a catastrophic failure. I'm not a fan of the ones that have the bearing press directly into the frame with no cup (BB90??), because if the shell gets wallowed out the frame is toast. Threaded is definitely the easiest to deal with, but again I think PF with a shell makes sense for carbon.
  • 8 3
 @Satanslittlehelper LOL check the forums for any press fit frame and count the number of people asking how to eliminate the noise. Press Fit was about one thing, reducing costs while continuing to charge the same price.

SC has had carbon frames with threaded BBs for years now and I don't read about catastrophic failures of the BB.


PF was a solution to a non existent problem.
  • 2 4
 Actually performing maintenance is how you eliminate it. SC having a good track record doesn't change the fact then when you have metal and carbon bonded together the likelihood of failure is greater than with all metal or all carbon.
  • 3 1
 We'll have to agree to disagree. With the amount of force a 200 lb rider puts on that area, having plastic cups because tolerances can't be held tight enough not too- well yea no one is going to convince me how much better that is.

Please tell me what the maintenance is on a press fit BB besides replacing it?
  • 2 8
flag Satanslittlehelper (Jun 29, 2015 at 19:01) (Below Threshold)
 Maintenance is pretty simple really, keep it clean, greased and make sure pre-load on the cranks is correct. I didn't say PF is is greatest thing ever, just that It does have its place. If you really believe that the only reason it's found on frames currently is to increase profit margins, well yea that's pretty naive. Rely a little less on forums, try completing the sentence you're trying to make your argument with and learn the difference between to and too.
  • 5 1
 Ah have to resort to the grammar police line. But wow thanks you really humbled me with that. Should we all bow to your superior intellect?

The maintenance has nothing to do with the noise and you know that. People experience it on brand new bikes.

I don't rely on forums, so far it's one for one. The one PF bike I've had made noise, the threaded BB carbon frame hasn't.

What do you really think designing a system so that it can be made with lower tolerances is all about if it's not for profit?

If the likelihood of failure is so much higher explain the lack of the BB issue with he 1000's of SC frames they've sold over the years?
  • 2 1
 I'm sure there are plenty of reasons why a PF might be a viable option when designing a frame. Have you designed a lot of suspension bikes? Me either, but I'm not making ridiculous claims that the only reason it's there is for profit. Again, I've seen the type of failure I described twice on two different bikes. Neither of those were SC, but that still doesn't give any merit to your anecdote. Bottom line, I don't really care what type of BB a bike has, that's not going to have any bearing on my choice to buy it or not. Brand new bikes are often assembled pretty poorly and I've never seen a PF that couldn't be made to work properly with a little TLC. But hey maybe you're right, it's late and I'm too tired to really care. I'm only playing devils advocate anyway since so many people throw hissy fits about things like PF BB's so often here. Like I said from the start, threaded is for sure the easiest to deal with, I just think there are probably valid reasons for PF beyond profits.
  • 1 1
 "Brand new bikes are often assembled pretty poorly and I've never seen a PF that couldn't be made to work properly with a little TLC."

This is very true. I work in a bike shop where many bikes are pressfit. I would say 95% of the bikes that came from the factory with incorrect bearing preload, and the cranks are never torqued downed.

Other issues like knocking out bearings instead of using a bearing puller for BB30, this can damage the shell
Using the correct loctite retaining compound. Some mechs just use normal loctite, or grease.

I guess many of the complaints from pressfit BBs are from poorly installed ones. I mean, do you REALLY know how your bike was worked on by your lbs?
  • 1 0
 I never had a PF BB but the theory is the same a a PF headset. Only... i go through one headset per frame and maybe three or four or five BBs. it's best to only PF a piece once because the more times u press it stretches the tube resulting in not as a snug of fit as the first time. This creates creaking. Once a headset is pressed I would never remove it. If PF BBs can last the life of the frame go for it but we all know folks go through multiple BBs. Thread that shit I've never seen a carbon/metal interface fail unless it was faulty from the manufacturer.
  • 7 0
 Same colors as the Following. Hoping there's a comparison in the PB review
  • 6 0
 I would have liked to see maybe 130mm rear end. They DW link on the ibis is amazing for climbing but get a little upset when things get rough.
  • 3 0
 Maybe next will be a shorter chainstay version for the slacker model but have same overall wheelbase as current slacker model? I was on a 29 long enough and now on a 27.5 with shorter chainstay and its amazing. The big S seems to have the geo pretty good for 29 when it comes to chain stay length and overall balance.
  • 2 0
 Not much to hate on this bike. With all of the custom options for builds ranging from the poor version to super crazy I've always felt that Ibis simply gets it. The only thing I can't wrap my head around is how a front derailleur works on a rear swing arm.
  • 4 2
 Not well.
  • 2 0
 I think having the front derailleur on the swing arm can actually make a lot of sense depending on the linkage design. It seems like it could help keep the chain vertically centered in front derailleur as the rear suspension compresses.
  • 1 0
 Cool animated video on some differences between the normal new Ripley and Ripley LS:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=M12VM8NoqU8

Loving this new RLS, and Ibis keeping everything retro-fit-able is great for existing customers!
  • 1 0
 Props to Ibis for addressing the main issues with the first gen Ripley. They are a great company and really listen to their customers. I was an owner of the "old" Ripley and had to upsize to the XL to get the reach where I wanted it. Personally I'd prefer an even "longer" LS in terms of reach, but then the wheelbase would have gotten out of hand.

I'm still keeping the Canfield Riot at the top of my list in terms of ticking all the right boxes. Threaded BB, longer reach w/o knuckle dragging stack height, more shock options, 16.24 inch chainstays...oh and it comes in true raw aluminum finishSmile

To be honest though, I never expected Ibis to go all Mondraker on the geometry. This seems like their usual. Ibis is usually on the conservative side of geometry.
  • 1 0
 I like reading new releases about bikes. Seeing all the progression and "innovation" makes me feel good knowing
these advancements in the sport I love. At the end of the day , though I'll still enjoy my 9 speed, threaded BB, 20mm axle hub
all mountain bike riding up mountains and bombing the trail back down.
  • 3 0
 Yay! just bought a used model thinking it was state of the art. Maybe I'll just have to get better at biking now.
  • 1 0
 Is this the first time a bike company has place the rear derailleur mount on the rear triangle? I suppose it's movement keeps perfect distance from the center of the BB, but that's crazy.
  • 1 0
 I assume you mean the front derailleur? It's been done before, although I'm drawing a blank on other examples. I think it actually makes a lot of sense if you think about it. Depending on the linkage design, it can help keep the chain vertically centered in front derailleur as the rear suspension expands and compresses.
  • 2 0
 My 2010 enduro has it, too.
  • 1 0
 My 2010 specialized pitch has it, works very well. Keeps the chain centred in the derailleur. Although running 1x now
  • 2 0
 glad to see they changed the bolt design for where the clevis attaches to the rear triangle, may or may not have stripped one of those......
  • 3 1
 ISCG adapter? my biggest complaint about the current ripley is my PF bottom bracket and no tabs.. atleast with threaded I could still add a chainguide.
  • 1 1
 Very nice looking. Rode the original one when it came out. I liked it but the rear was very flexy for a carbon bike. Would like to try the Evil but no one this way sells them. Would still like to see Ibis use carbon front and al rear like some other brands do. But I do agree, 5 figures for a bike is crazy, regardless of the parts spec.
  • 3 0
 Try an Intense spyder. Btw: 24.5 tt/large
  • 3 0
 I must say the Evil Following is going to be a hard act to beat - the bike just constantly amazes me
  • 2 0
 Shame it comes with a fox shock. Give me a cheaper monarch debonair over this, anyday. Looks like there is plenty of room for a CCDB or inline upgrade.
  • 1 0
 DB Inline is a cheap upgrade for either the frame or a build kit
  • 1 1
 Hope they redesigned the brake post mount so the rotors don't hit it. I had to get I9 to make me a longer cap to get enough spacing so my rotor didn't hit, and I'm far from the only one.
  • 3 0
 Sweet looks very tempting…..
  • 4 1
 That LS version in orange is beautiful.
  • 3 0
 Digging those eccentric bearings for pivot links.
  • 2 0
 No more head tube mounted cable entry, yay. That was an issue on 1st gen with cables rubbing the steerer tubes.
  • 3 0
 How many of you have ridden the Ripply on a trail?
  • 2 0
 I have and they're a bike that's easy to jump and lean into corners. The existing models are a bit short on the TT fore me so the new design is more to my liking.
  • 2 0
 Agree with sbrdude1, shorter TT than others in the same class, but a fun bike overall. Rode a "Moab build" version with 140mm Pike, 941 rims, KS 125mm dropper, and DB Inline. First 29'er that felt like you could flick around like a smaller wheeled bike.
  • 2 0
 Any chance you've ridden a Tallboy (100MM) too, and have comparisons?
  • 3 0
 I've had the ripley for a year and a half and have ridden xc races (with 120 sid), enduros and trail riding (140 pike). It's a great all rounder!!
  • 1 0
 I owned a SC Tallboy 1c for about a year and it was a fun bike but tended to go through it's travel in the rear very quickly.
  • 2 0
 I've got a Ripley with the same build as that "Moab build" version, and I've been on a Tallboy and I used to ride a Leviathan 4.0. The Ripley is simply a more capable and more fun bike in every way - not even in the same class.
  • 1 0
 Is the suspension going to let the tire rub out the carbon seat tube like it did on my 650b HDR? I hope not for all you potential Ibis buyers.
  • 2 0
 Just ordered the orange XL with XO1, Pike 140, DBinline, 928 wheels, yeah baby ! Going to sell my Mojo HD 160mm 26
  • 1 0
 How tall are you and what is your inseam?
  • 1 0
 6' 1" but only 32 inseam
  • 2 0
 That blue and black wheel set is sweet
  • 1 0
 Might be a stupid question but does the boost 148 require a different rear triangle?
  • 1 0
 Yes, that's why it won't be available till the fall I'd guess.
  • 1 0
 On some frames you can switch between a 142 and 148 rear hub by replacing the dropouts (although boost will mess up your chainline if you don't do something to move your chainring(s) further out as well). Just reading this article, it's not clear to me if Ibis went with interchangeable dropouts for the new Ripley or if the boost frames actually use a different swing arms.
  • 2 0
 Everyone complaining about this bike should buy a Canfield Riot!
  • 1 0
 Agreed - stack hight and seat post angle of ripley would fit me better too. And I love an English BB. Maybe next year!
  • 1 0
 Ripley LS or Pivot 429 trail?
  • 1 0
 Sweet. Only 8.5k with XX1 as well...Hm
  • 1 0
 Next year this is on the short list.
  • 1 0
 may even trade my HD3 for a LS version :o
  • 1 0
 @likeomg Can I ask why?
  • 2 0
 i do lots of travelling of the world, HD3 Climbs very very well and descends like no other, but most of the trails i ride around the world would be more suited to a ripley...
  • 1 0
 Love it!.. after my HD3 build... this maybe my 29er build
  • 1 0
 I love mr Ripley. Now if I could just sell and upgrade....
  • 1 3
 Kona/GT/Yeti ?

A beuatiful bike nonetheless, but in my neck of the woods, seems like IBIS riders are like BMW drivers, theyre all cocks!

Where they're wallet is an order of magnitude greater than their skill.
  • 1 0
 I'm poor, I bought the special blend build on layaway over the winter. I'm currently unemployed and I'm nice - to your face at least.
  • 1 1
 So soon.
  • 3 4
 Should have kept brian lopes.
  • 1 0
 Personally, I think Lopes' persona is better aligned with Intense.
  • 1 4
 Right after I bought an Evil Following... would have bought this instead if I knew it was around the corner.
  • 2 0
 Yup starting to doubt my Riot order. Still not sold on the new school Geo. The Ripley LS looks like the perfect compromise for an old fart like me.
  • 1 0
 I love my Following! I'll buy yours for a dolla!
  • 1 0
 What does this have that the dollowing doesn't?

The ripely has Longer chainstays and steeper HA... Might just be a bit lighter, thats it.
  • 1 0
 Richt- not everyone rides the same. The newer geos may not suit all riders. Thats why I said the Ripley may be a nice compromise between new and old school geo. I've never ridden a long and slack bike like the Following or Riot, so I'm still not sure if it will suit my ridding style. From what I've read, that geo requires more weight on the front and I'm used to riding with my weight more reward.
  • 1 0
 @Richt2000 - fits me better (stack height), threaded BB, lighter frame. Probably not worth selling my Following over those changes but it's still annoying to see a bike come out that checks the boxes of ALL of your "wants" on a new bike when a month ago the best you could do was 2/3 of your "wants".
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