Saying Goodbye to the Past - Video
To move forward, we’re saying goodbye to the past.
Our 1x drivetrains have simplified shifting and improved mountain biking for riders of every level of skill and experience, everywhere they ride. Because of 1x, frame and suspension designs are restricted only by imagination. With 1x, the future of mountain biking is limitless.
This is the future, from the company that lives 1x.
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Its because of this! ^^^^^^
Also SRAM still sell their X5, X7, X9 and X0 drivetrains with a front derailleur. So they didn't completely say good-bye.
Shame on you SRAM
Fast forward 10 years and we can all be laughing at these silly big cassettes with rock prone rear mechs. If the heads of R&D at Sram and Shimano are not secretly developing gearboxes or at least budgeting to acquire a company that is already doing so, they need firing immediately.
There is no reason for a Dual Drive combo once the gearbox gains traction. Now that we have mid drive e bikes many more companies have the tooling or buy the forged BB for that configuration. That opens the market for Pinion who will either adapt their gearbox mount or more likely make an adapter to build their OEM sales. I agree the Zerode is beautiful and its the future. We can only hope with the wheel/tire size and 1x bullshit out of the way we can move on to gearboxes. They are will be game changers like disc brakes, suspension and dropper posts have been.
ok, I like their cranksets, but only until you land on the crankarm and they bend waaay too easily...
also funny everbody hates sram for boost... didn't shimano and fox do pretty much the exact same thing with the (completely and utterly useless) 15x100 standard?
The shifting with my XT+ clutch mech on the 1030 is good, but the design of the splines that hold the cogs to the freehub WILL damage the aluminum freehub body after extended use of the cassette. Terribad cassette design SRAM!
Also... poor timing from SRAM, really poor timing.
it's ONE millimeter on each side.........
sorry it is marketing BS IMO
And I don't think theyre just for dedicated racers, if you're buying a bike with 160mm of travel why then cripple it with teeny little chainstays? You can get playful on longer chainstays, you just have to increase your velocity, bikes with a boat load of travel aren't designed to go slow so, yeah whyyy!?
Just to make perfectly clear I'm not against short chainstays, I see the merits of them but I think it's another cliche that we could do without. I wish I could see more mid-long travel trail bikes with moderately sized chainstays instead of them all trying to be a dirt jump bike with suspension. These days with super long front centres the short rear end is even worse, bikes just feel so imbalanced and just...wrong.
But I don't mind if you're a rider that prefers short chainstays - Josh Bryceland and some of the other riders out of his area like smaller bikes and they're insane - I'm just saying that short chainstays aren't always the best way to build a bike, not necessary for playfulness and you can still manual them. I think designers are restrained by the need to deliver shorter and shorter chainstays as well. Let's just all remember that SRAM are the bad guys here :-P
Anyway gearboxes(with front shifting) looks like future rather than wheel size cassettes
The only difference at the moment is that wide range cassettes only excist in higher and middle class parts. But if you compare wide range cassettes only to normal 10/11 speed cassettes, the difference is very minimal.
Same website, XT 10-Spd cassette: 41€
cheapest SRAM 11-Spd derailleur: 90€
Shimano XT M8000 derailleur: 63€
Complete GX 1x11 group: 345€
Complete GX 2x10 group: 320€
Complete XT (M785) group: 320€
You get the picture: Even the cheapest SRAM 11-Spd pieces are more expensive than XT - which is far, far better quality than the cheap SRAM groups. SRAM's 11 Speed is just a blatant ripoff.
I do, however, admire the jab at Shimano - as the guy struggling with his drivetrain has XTR 960
Intrestingly, I am going to ride 35/21 front and 11-46 rear. I like my low gears.
I know it isn't for everyone, but there are some annoying downsides to a 2x setup. Certainly the opposite point could be made that it's annoying to have less gear range, but quite frankly I do some relatively steep climbing and I haven't had any issues. Now if my steep climbs for more than 20-30minutes, maybe I would have a different tone....and I am sure there are guys here doing longer steep climbs.
Gear selection and shifting habits are also major causes of dropped chains. The only time my XT 2x10 ever dropped the chain was when I tried a SRAM 1071 chain on it out of curiosity. My 3x8 also used to drop the chain if I tried to do a poorly timed shift under high load because I had 3 different brand rings on my crank.In these cases and most I see as a mechanic the FDR is not the problem in the system.
Does the chainline kill chainrings/chains/cassettes alot faster?
"Proper alignment of sprocket and shaft is necessary to provide long wear life of the drive unit. Increased wear results from misalignment, due to rubbing of chain parts against the sides of the sprocket teeth and excessive friction wear in the joints caused by whipping and twisting of the chain. Figure 44 shows the dimension for shafts and mounted sprockets."
www.myodesie.com/wiki/index/returnEntry/id/3058
no originality and no real vision.
the marketing dept rips old marketing tag lines from other companies ads from 10-15 years ago, they seem outta touch with whats happening on the front line and in real time, and as this ad proves, they have no sense of timing or realizing events from the past month may effect the way the public views a certain ad campaign.
considering whats gone down in the last month(how many people has the cycling community lost?) or so in the cycling world, an eulogy video ad is probably THE worst thing they could have done to get their message across.
really shows how outta touch they are.
i don't care if this video was made last oct, with all the loss, the video should have never seen the light of day.
they don't seemed too concern with spending cash, so they should have banged together another ad campaign asap and sent that out instead.
but then i forgot, being original and rad takes talent, so maybe they couldn't have done the alternate campaign asap.
Both big S can make lighter stronger boxes. Far lighter Kevlar belt. No cables, simpler frame design, new lighter batteries approaching mass production, more durable, less maintenance how can anyone disagree with these benefits?
It will be more expensive to buy but will have a far longer life and far less expensive to maintain. Over its life the maintenance savings will cover the added initial expense.
And of course, main players in the game should follow some time.
Goodbye SRAM.
I always used the XTR front,; sram xo rear with sram xo shifters.
seem's like a pretty stupid ad to call something you produce obsolete......
I am so tired of everyone saying that a front dérailleur was complicated as well, have you see forum postings on people trying to figure out there optimal 1X set-ups?! yeah pretty much just as much work.
now in saying all of this, please remember.... i think 2X and 1X both have a place, and its not as distinct as say an argument as 26" vs 29", so please everyone, who runs 1X... you don't need to argue your case.
'Hey guys we need a new ad to stick it to Shimano on the 1x and get even more buzz going on the 12s cassette we haven't got working yet. What's been trending on Pinkbike this year?'
'well Google analytics says that the most clinked on, shared AND commented on posts his year have all had "In memoriam" in the subject line'
'Cool let's do a tribute to 2x pretending it's like the death of an old riding buddy'
'Isn't that a bit insensitive?'
'Who cares?'
Dumbasses. Where do I claim the refund on my XO groupset?
Apart from the 29'er and hills recon im probably the same as 75% of mountain bikers so single front is clearly not for the majority despite all the marketing.
That's because people are buying online. Can you offer the consumer an XT 3x or 2x crank for $87?
The total range on 2x and 3x comes from the big small combos front and back btw. You can only get that range on 1x with a big enough low gear cog that you can run a 36 or 38 up front. That will take a cog at least as big as the largest outer rings found in 3x systems.
Hey, if you love that fr derailleur on that Spicy, go to town. But unless you know my bike better than I do, why would try to convince me I didn't save weight converting to a 1x?
I am also really turned off by the price and weight of those new cassettes.
So far I've been pleased with sram. At least the X0 stuff is durable and very well made. Feels engineered to be worked on. I love being able to buy small parts for when something does break. Also their free pdf docs are fantastic.
I like 1x for chain retention too but sometimes wonder about how this will pan out for my old guy knees? In 10 more years will I have to go back to 2x10 or 2x11 to keep on riding?
There are lots of guys who shouldn't be on 1x bikes, i.e. do you need a 28T chainring?
I refuse to go down to a 30T as I don't like the pedal feel as much so have been working on strengthening to stick with 32T.
I agree completely. I guess for me and the terrain I ride I prefer a higher top gear ratio than 2.8 as I like to be able to pedal going faster than a 28T sprocket (with a 10-42 cassette) would allow. I don't know your terrain though, stuff is wide open and fast in my neck of the woods, maybe it's not warranted where you're at.
Overall I love the simplicity of 1x, the weight savings, the chain retention, pretty much everything but the loss of range is real. For really big elevation days I will put the 30T on up front but with most of my rides being in the 2500 to 3500 feet of climbing I just push the 32T which is making me stronger.
#ripfrontderailleur
Dumped my 2x10 and am happier with the performance of 1x10.