Industry Insider: The US Government Shutdown is Impacting Trail Building and Maintenance

Jan 23, 2019
by Daniel Sapp  
Contrary to the sign, trailwork is not in progress on US Federal lands due to the government shutdown.

The United States government has currently been partially shutdown for just over a month. At 32 days and counting, all non-essential government personnel are essentially placed on leave, and those who are essential are working without being paid.

The shutdown occurred when an agreement couldn't be reached over President Trump's proposed 5.7 billion dollar wall on the border of the US and Mexico. Political beliefs and arguments aside, the shutdown is now the longest in United States history and is directly causing hardships for thousands of people.

What's in it for the trails?

What does this mean for us, as mountain bikers? At first, it just seems that on Federal lands, some campgrounds and roads may be closed and there won't be quite as many rangers around, but there's more to it than that. For professional trail builders and volunteers alike things are on hold until an agreement is reached in Washington.

I reached out to Mike Thomas, owner of Terra Tek Trails, a trail building, consulting, and design company based in Boone, NC, to see how the shutdown was impacting him and other trailbuilders. Thomas not only builds mountain bike trails but hiking and multi-use trails. He has over a decade of experience in working with the US Forest Service on various projects.

Mike said, "The shutdown is impacting me a lot. I haven't been able to get work that I have done for the USFS inspected, and design jobs I have lined up are now on hold with the Forest Service until the shutdown ends. Some invoices are still being processed, and I'm getting paid for now on work I've completed, so that's good, and I'm staying busy otherwise."

I asked how much work this was leaving on the table for trailbuilders in the area. Thomas replied, "It's hard to say... If the shutdown wasn’t happening, we would have more jobs to bid on and everything is just backing up now. We’ve been waiting on another round of bids to come out from the Forest Service for a while now."

bigquotesThis shutdown is going to have some long lasting impacts for trail systems and trail users on Federal lands, especially mountain bikers.Mike Thomas, Owner of Terra Tek Trails

Terra Tek Trails photo
Terra Tek Trails photo
While some trail problems are easily solved, larger scale trail troubles such as washouts and major storm downfall take major volunteer efforts or professional trail crews.

"It's also holding up future trail work because we have multiple trail flaglines on the ground waiting for NEPA (National Environmental Policy Act) studies to be completed, and those trails can’t come out to bid until that has been done. I personally have one major project that's been years in the making in this situation in Western North Carolina. For NEPA, the proposed flag lines must be checked off by all of the "ologists" - biologists, archeologists, etc. and none of that happens with the government shutdown."

"With the work getting further and further behind, the impacts are compounding. It's going to have some long lasting impacts for trail systems and trail users on Federal lands, especially mountain bikers, just in adding to what was already a huge backlog of work that needed to be done to keep trails open and rideable."

No Volunteers Allowed

While it may be no big deal that new trails aren't being built to some, volunteer groups aren't able to work in any official capacity either. Organized work days on USFS and other government property are on hold.

Matthew Leach, President of Pisgah Area SORBA - the group responsible for volunteer trail maintenance and more in Pisgah National Forest near Asheville, NC said, "In response to the government shutdown, all user groups working with the Pisgah Ranger District have been asked to not conduct any volunteer work within the forest until the shutdown is ended. This is in support of the Sponsored Volunteer Agreement each user group has with the Pisgah Ranger District. If a volunteer were to be injured working in the forest during the shutdown worker compensation will not be available. Additionally, western North Carolina has been hit hard with snow, ice, and heavy rain which has left the trail systems littered with limbs and storm debris. This debris will remain in place until the shutdown is over and the Pisgah Ranger District and its user groups can begin the lengthy cleanup."

This is just one example of what is happening across the country on federal lands in regards to trail systems.

What does all of that mean for us as riders? Well, trails don't build and maintain themselves, and if the government shutdown continues, trail shutdowns on Federal lands could follow suit. Historically, the government's quickest way to fix a damaged trail when there's no money to be had or it's beyond reasonable repair is to simply shut it down, sending it back to nature.


324 Comments

  • + 176
 When a crybaby with an inflated ego can hold the government hostage over something that is both impossible to build and unnecessary, this is what we get. SAD.
  • - 223
flag johnbalz (Jan 23, 2019 at 10:58) (Below Threshold)
 When crybabies won't vote on the exact same thing they did a few years ago because they are still butt-hurt their ideology was soundly rejected in 2016 this is what we get. The man in office is simply trying to do what we put him in office to do.
  • + 99
 @johnbalz: "soundly rejected" isn't an accurate statement. He lost by 3 million votes, winning the electoral college is very different. This country really needs to start paying attention to truths again, or were going to continue to devolve.
  • + 102
 @johnbalz: So you voted for him because he was going to build the wall, and Mexico was going to pay for it right? That's what he said about a billion times. Now we're expected to pay for it? Laughable.
  • + 57
 @johnbalz: he's not doing what he was so called "elected" to make the Mexicans pay for now is he, he's trying to make you pay for it. Total failure by a moron.
  • - 70
flag wda1wustl (Jan 23, 2019 at 11:11) (Below Threshold)
 @johnbalz:
Careful. People don’t like the truth.
  • + 32
 @wda1wustl: yeah because speaking as if you voted for a guy because he said he would build a wall is being so awake as fuk. Makes perfect sense! Oh the truth!
  • + 181
 @johnbalz:

1. Dems have voted for increased border security every year, this funding exploding since Obama took office. What Trump is demanding is a starter package to expand the wall which all evidence shows will do nothing to reduce illegal immigrants, stemming the flow of drug smuggling and reducing the entry of potential terrorists because all of these take place at ports of entry. This is the issue, you and other Trump supporters automatically associate an extended wall with border security which is completely false.

2. It was a 100-0 vote in the Senate in favor of the last spending bill which included more funding for border security but no funding for Trump's wall extension. This was only denied by Trump once Fox News and other far-right pundits told him not to back down. Trump gave Mitch and other GOPers a promise he would sign the bill before this call-out happened. Its a fact that Trump only gets his information from television, mainly Fox News. He has on multiple occasions proudly stated he doesn't use the internet and doesn't like to read.

3. Trump's promise was to have Mexico foot the bill, not the American taxpayer. On multiple occasions he stated he would have Mexico make a one-time payment, in the form of cash or check, to fund this wall extension.

4. Trump on multiple occasions stated a shut down is because of the President's lack of leadership and also stated this current shutdown was his and his only. He stated he would not blame anyone else.... which he ended up doing a couple days later.

If you're stupid enough to vote someone who is so willing to hold your government hostage over broken promises that have no basis in reality, then that's your prerogative but you're only hurting your fellow Americans and infrastructure.


Trump has and will always be a conman. Its OK if you got conned, but you look pathetic burying your head in the sand and denying everything that's going on.
  • + 23
 @Trouterspace Back in 2013 when we had a Democratic president New York Democratic senator Chuck Schumer and the rest of his cohorts voted to pass a $26B bill for a border fence. Today with a Republican president same senator and his cohorts vote against a $5B border wall.

Two weeks ago when confronted by WCBS about the hypocrisy, Schumer stated, "they're different. A fence works, a wall doesn't."

So if you're going to express your thoughts on a public forum please get your head out of your ass to see what's really going on. Because in Canada you know what they do to migrants? Send them back to the U.S.
  • - 58
flag JohanG (Jan 23, 2019 at 11:22) (Below Threshold)
 If you think border security is unnecessary, you have to answer the question, Why are the globalist, Soros funded organizations throwing so much money at undermining it? If you want to know how valuable an objective is, look how hard your enemy is defending it....
  • - 71
flag johnbalz (Jan 23, 2019 at 11:26) (Below Threshold)
 @harryhood: Lol. So if we don't like the outcome of a sporting event should we change the rules and put an asterisk on it after the fact? The Electoral College is how we elect Presidents, DT knew that and campaigned accordingly. You guys look like a bunch of 12 years olds throwing a temper tantrum on the ground after losing a game over 2 years later. What are you going to blame it on next time he wins, global warming perhaps?
  • + 34
 @JohanG: A concrete wall and border security... if you want border security establish a no entry zone on your own side of the border, place gun posts and deploy land mines. It is very effective, both the system itself and the deterrence factor. Took East Germany 44 years to get rid of it. Wall itself was useless. It was just a symbol. It was the thing in between that was getting the job done. And if you think it will be hard to find people willing to shoot defenseless people? heh, don't worry. All you need is a good narrative of Good and Evil, that Donnie is perfectly capable of, and unemployed, deprivated, resentful souls will be storming enrollment agencies.
  • - 78
flag johnbalz (Jan 23, 2019 at 11:29) (Below Threshold)
 @Trouterspace: @Trouterspace: Well, considering Mexicans send billions to Mexico every year and cost us billions, I'd say that building a wall makes Mexico pay for it in of itself. But basic economics don't matter to unhinged snowflakes that only know how to regurgitate talking points picked up from CNN do they....
  • + 38
 @rh00p: This is what happens when you get your news from memes. If you can stand to read a few paragraphs before your head starts to hurt, please educate yourself:

www.politifact.com/facebook-fact-checks/statements/2018/dec/20/blog-posting/meme-mischaracterizes-chuck-schumers-record-border

"So if you're going to express your thoughts on a public forum please get your head out of your ass to see what's really going on"
  • - 76
flag johnbalz (Jan 23, 2019 at 11:49) (Below Threshold)
 @WAKIdesigns: No offense sir, but you do not live in the US and what you see on the media is far from the reality on the ground. There is one group of people willing to wear black masks and beat the tar out of anybody saying anything they don't agree with, and here that is the left. Ironically, they call the right "Nazis", and the Nazi party very literally got their start with the RS (before the SS) doing exactly this. Going around and beating the hell out of people they did not agree with. If there is anybody for shooting defenseless people that do nothing than say something you don't agree with, it's the left.
  • + 50
 @johnbalz: When the ranting idiot who has no clue what they're talking about calls someone else an unhinged snowflake. Lol. Trump supporters are the biggest snowflakes of all time.
  • + 53
 @johnbalz: step away from the Fox News man.
  • + 73
 @johnbalz: don't really want to get involved with this nonsense, but as an observer: as soon as you resort to calling people names (like "snowflake"), you degrade your argument down to a 12 year old temper tantrum level of credibility.
  • - 8
flag jrocksdh (Jan 23, 2019 at 12:12) (Below Threshold)
 There's a shutdown almost every term where one party has the white house and the opposing party has the house/senate.
It's just all part of this little d democracy or what's left of Representative gov.
Mtb trails-probably not as important as funding the war vs illegal immigration.
  • - 4
flag Don23 (Jan 23, 2019 at 12:22) (Below Threshold)
 ????
  • + 10
 @jrocksdh: The multiple shutdowns during the Trump presidency began under a Republican controlled House and Senate.

The overwhelming opinion of people working on the border is that a wall will not solve anything. More technology and more bodies will help. Not a stupid wall that is impossible to build. Actual estimates for the cost to build the wall go as high as 70 billion, and that doesn't include annual maintenance costs.
  • + 5
 @rh00p: I read it. They approved 8 billion for repairing existing fencing and creating new fencing. Trump specifically says he doesn't want fencing, he wants a wall. Actual estimates for the cost of acquiring the private land, labor and materials are close to 70 billion dollars. I''m not sure what you're trying to even say...
  • + 9
 @Trouterspace Not saying Trump is right , but it sounds to me like your upset because someone isn't maintaining the trails for you! Where I live if an MTB rider wants his trail maintained he does it himself! So this doesn't really affect me.

#no dig no ride
  • + 8
 @rockchomper: All of the trails I ride are City or Regionally owned and maintained parks (not on federal land). This literally doesn't affect me or the trails I ride at all.

But it does affect 800,000 federal workers who are about to have their second pay period with no money.
  • + 2
 hell yea !!!
  • + 29
 @johnbalz: Interesting you call everyone who disagrees with you as a snowflake when you seem to be the most upset over this....

How about you refute any of the facts I've provided using Trump's own words instead of throwing a temper tantrum about unrelated things?

This is the common tactic among Trump supporters. They cannot defend Trump's blatant lies so they instead try to detail the conversation by acting the victim or using "whataboutisms". I can't believe this is 30% of Americans....
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flag AidenGowans (Jan 23, 2019 at 13:15) (Below Threshold)
 @Trouterspace If I was president, I would try and get everything done that I promised before I was elected. I think you can agree. Trump is just trying to get done what he promised, at least give him that. Sure, as a regular guy he might be a jerk, but he is just trying to keep his word. Whether or not he is doing it in the best way, that’s debateable.
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flag johnbalz (Jan 23, 2019 at 13:20) (Below Threshold)
 @Trouterspace: Since when does the left care about anything resembling fiscal responsibility?
  • + 7
 @AidenGowans: Well he promised Mexico would pay for it. Pretty big shift when you're talking about billions of dollars.
  • + 0
 @scott-townes: He's just emulating his idol. Everyone knows Trump throws the biggest best temper tantrums.
  • - 18
flag johnbalz (Jan 23, 2019 at 13:24) (Below Threshold)
 @AidenGowans: Love him or hate him, Trump is the first modern President where we knew exactly what we were getting. Brash, rude, orange, whatever... I've never know a politician who has tied so hard to stick to his campaign promises in the face of the most adversity I've ever seen a U.S. President face (in my lifetime at least).
  • + 2
 @Trouterspace: if you consider the cost to take illegal immigrants back to Mexico, we would save money in the long run so in way way, they may not be paying for it, but we will be getting money back that we have been spending
  • + 4
 Nah, just do whatever you want and maintain/volunteer away!
  • + 2
 @taquitos: I am not going to justify him as a person, but as the president. You should do the same, rather than try and justify his political actions by his personal actions
  • + 9
 Trump can lick my ballzzz
  • + 5
 @AidenGowans: The vast majority of illegal immigration (and drug smuggling) happens through legal ports of entry. Why don't you get me the numbers on how much we spend "taking illegal immigrants back to Mexico" since you seem to be an expert in the matter. A wall will not help.
  • + 6
 @Trouterspace: “Based on the NAS data, illegal border-crossers create an average net fiscal burden (taxes paid minus services used) of approximately $74,722 during their lifetimes — excluding costs for their U.S.-born children. If a wall costing $12 to $15 billion stopped or deterred between 160,000 and 200,000 illegal crossers — only about 9 to 12 percent of those expected to successfully cross in the next decade — it would pay for itself.” - The Center of Immigration Studies. This isn’t including the salaries of people watching the border, and confiscating drugs coming across the border. Happy?
  • + 26
 Ultimately who hires illegal immigrants? It’s legal U.S. citizens who are willing to look the other way for cheap labor. If there weren’t jobs readily available they wouldn’t be coming!

Are illegal immigrants stealing your jobs? Noooo unless your planning on picking tomatoes landscaping and doing a host of other low paying back breaking work. Sorry there a million other problems in this country and the world besides illegal immigration. Hell if trump wants his wall so bad why doesn’t he pay for it. Isn’t he loaded out the ass? O wait we are going to have to pay for it as taxpayers go figure. I’d rather them fix all the goddamn potholes on our city street than build a damn wall you can climb over or dig under anyway!
  • + 0
 @johnbalz: your a melted snowflake
  • + 6
 @johnbalz: Notice how he completely ignores all of Trump's broken promises and contradictions. This is like Trump supporter 101 for the rest of the world.
  • + 0
 @johnbalz: this. Schumer actually voted for exactly this a few years ago
  • - 5
flag owlie (Jan 23, 2019 at 13:55) (Below Threshold)
 @scott-townes: The shutdown of 13 was the GOPs fault too huh?
And Im gonna flat out call your bullshit on "which all evidence shows will do nothing to reduce illegal immigrants, stemming the flow of drug smuggling and reducing the entry of potential terrorists because all of these take place at ports of entry"
that is bullshit. Your MSM is only interviewing points of view to fit their age
  • - 3
 @harryhood: Devolve from what exactly? Creatures who argue politics over the internet on a mountain biking website and act like we are all the moral standard for the rest of human kind? Please let me know when we have finally "Made It" as a species.
  • - 2
 @harryhood: If we didnt use the electoral college then the voice of ALL Americans would not be heard. Only the voice of super liberal communities like LA, NYC Chicago etc.

Besides the liberals would bitch to bring it back once the shoe is on the other foot.
  • + 0
 @wda1wustl: yes people don’t like the truth, that trump has bent us over and is fcking the whole damn country
  • + 3
 @owlie: First sentence, "whataboutism" and yes, a majority of the American public blamed the GOP for that 2013 shutdown because they kept giving Obama poison pill spending bills (which included dismantling the ACA) they knew he would never sign. Guess who gave in? The GOP because they along with Mitch openly stated that shutting down the government was no way to negotiate, it only harmed their voting base.

Anyone here can google the facts that most illegal immigrants are here on overstayed visas (including Trump's grandpa LOL), and most drugs and potential terrorist come through ports of entry. You claim this is BS and yet provide no legit sources to state otherwise.

You're entitled to your own opinions, not your own facts.
  • + 8
 @owlie: LOL so you assume everyone living in a city is a "liberal"? The facts are the electoral college was created to give former slaves more say in their representatives. Its outdated. Any system that gives more voting power to one citizen over another simply because of where they live is not democracy.

George Bush Jr. and Trump were two of the most recent presidents who won despite lacking the popular vote, meaning the U.S. has overwhelmingly voted "liberal" for the past 6 out of 7 presidential elections.

Yeah, repping the people alright... just certain kinds of people....
  • + 0
 @AidenGowans: What makes you think a wall will keep anyone out? Ever hear of a rope and ladder? Better tech and more staff is at least a reasonable solution, a wall is a prohibitively expensive way to give fearful republicans a false sense of security.
  • + 6
 Haha just ask the Chinese, the Romans, The Germans, heck even any nation that ever built castles.... walls don't work!
  • + 3
 @owlie: Dude, popular vote is ALL people! How dumb are you? It is an un-weighted number of votes. 1 person = 1 vote. Dems keep winning those btw...
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 @MrFogg: Im not dumb. I know what the popular vote is. I know what the electoral college is. Fact is, major metropolitan are grossly more liberal. Therefore there is more liberals, or people swayed to vote a certain way. This means smaller communities and states in the interior of the US do not have a voice. Electoral colleges are not outdated. Still Kalifornia has a lot of those votes electorals dont they? This allows states to be represented. Call it slavery voting, ok..
And @scott-townes you pinkbike troll, I live couple hundred miles from the border. "Googling" something for facts is about as reliable as getting your news on facebook. I cant believe you would even cite google as a source for facts.Seriously, ask a border agent. Dem or Rep. Youll hear an entire different story than your google facts.
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flag rjrx (Jan 23, 2019 at 16:26) (Below Threshold)
 You're a complete idiot. You obviously no nothing and just spout your stupid mouth off like a typical libtard.
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flag rjrx (Jan 23, 2019 at 16:27) (Below Threshold)
 @johnbalz: I totally agree with you...seems like pink bike is full of antifa. Lol
  • + 9
 @scott-townes: its repping the country as a whole, not your party. Chuckie boy voted yes on a 26B border package which included a border "fence" just 6 years ago! Now all of a sudden its immoral. Theyre offering money to hire more immigration judges. GTFO . too late. This is the opposition to everything orange. Plain and simple. He could ban uns and they would fight him. Where I live we have the number 1 highest car theft, number two violent crime, 49th DUI, 48th poverty, 49th education. Major drug problem coming in from Mexico. ODs almost everyday. You want to paint a picture of the poor mama escaping el chapo with two kids. Do it legally. The border is open for people who go through the process. If youre not allowed in, theres a f*ckin reason.
Try to get your ass into Canada or New Zealand. They wont even let you visit if you gone to jail! But you progressives want open borders.
  • + 4
 @owlie: So rural people's votes should count more than metropolitan voter's? You know if more people vote for something then that something becomes the law, right? That's how democracy works...?

I am so tired of rural conservatives whining about not having a voice. BOO HOO! Guess what, when the times changed the rest of the country adapted and moved on. If you no longer have a marketable skill to offer the economy in your town then guess what, time to learn something new! Liberals aren't the reason coal miners are losing jobs, more cost effective methods of power production are. 2018 saw a RECORD number of coal fired plants close. Trump sure came through on his promise to make coal great again. And all that deregulation has led to sharp increases in black lung disease, a very preventable and well-known problem. Same with farming. New technology means fewer people are needed to produce an equivalent amount of food. Taxpayers are already subsidizing farmers, man is it a kick in the nuts when those same farmers point their fingers at inner-city people accusing them of looking for "handouts".

Maybe you would have more of a voice if you used a voice of reason.
  • + 4
 @scott-townes: Thank you
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flag rjrx (Jan 23, 2019 at 16:29) (Below Threshold)
 @scott-townes: sounds like you need to join antifa... douchebag.
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flag johnbalz (Jan 23, 2019 at 16:40) (Below Threshold)
 @Jaybirdy: Perhaps, but at least I know how to spell. Smile
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 @rjrx: Nice assumption brah dawg
  • + 0
 @owlie: EXACTLY!! My parents are first-generation immigrants to this country, they came LEGALLY and you will not find bigger opponents of illegal immigration anywhere. They lived it and get it, they didn't learn talking points from CNN.
  • + 5
 @johnbalz: Dude, we're not for illegal immigration. The only ones that are, are companies that exploit illegal labor (farming and construction industry) which the GOP never goes after because its part of their voting base. Isn't that odd.

Also to compare the immigration system now as opposed to 40 years ago is absurd. Its a broken system now, that's all that matters and a silly wall expansion will do nothing to curb this issue.
  • + 3
 @scott-townes: Many in the Democratic party have gone to advocating open borders, darlings of the left like Ocasio Cortez demand it. The same Ocasio Cortez the left is salivating about for the presidency, so you can't claim the left does not want "open borders".

Just the same as you won't find many conservatives that are not against companies employing illegals. I own a business and employ people, I for one would be thrilled if they jailed people for employing illegals. I have many conservative friends who are business owners and we all feel the same way, sure some big companies hiring a lot of them make for good talking points but for the majority number of business that is just not true.
  • + 3
 @johnbalz: People of color are often the most racist - that don't make it right, cuh.
  • + 9
 I'm no Trump fan but Obama did the same thing for healthcare. Just to be fair. Also, I don't want a wall (eminent domain is unacceptable to me), but pretending it's "impossible to build" and "unnecessary" is not genuine. We have serious issues at the southern border, and there are probably better ways to solve them, but touting the CNN Groupthink isn't honest or helpful. I'm sure I'l get downvotes from both sides of the aisle, because I don't want a stupid wall but I'm not stupid enough to believe all the Trump-hate lies, but the truth is the truth. Do yourself a favor, turn off your TV, unfollow Buzzfeed, Vice, CNN, Fox and the rest of the propaganda machines, and look up what ACTUALLY HAPPENS, read the actual statistics and the actual bills that get passed and look into everything deeply.

Personally, I'm always stoked when they shutdown the government. I just wish they'd shutdown the ATF, the DEA, all of the defense contractors (maybe put a pause on bombing kids in foreign countries), the welfare programs, etc, before they shutdown the parks.
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 @MrFogg: that’s like saying we should ban security cameras because they can’t stop people committing crimes. Imagine you wanted to immigrate to America illegally. Would you rather try, knowing there is a wall, or try knowing that there is nothing at all to stop you. What your proposing is absurd, that we shouldn’t have a wall because there is a POSSIBILITY of people getting in still. Of course that will happen, but a wall will deter, and lower the amount of people who are currently deciding whether or not to cross the border.
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 @johnbalz: I didn't vote for Trump but I see the irony between everyone bitching about the wall who was totally on board for Obama's healthcare disaster. They said "this is what people who voted for him wanted." Trump promised a wall, ya idiots. People voted for him based on that. I think most everything politicians try to get through is bullshit and predicated based on propaganda and deception, and I don't even want a wall, but the facts are clear here and everyone crying about Trump is enacting an hilarious double standard. Sorry they down voted you for the truth.
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 @trialsracer: couldn’t have said it better
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 @trialsracer: 2 phenomenal posts my friend, if you were here I'd buy you a beer.
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 Damn that got serious fast.. Sorry (Canadian here)
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 @trialsracer: THAT MEXICO WOULD PAY FOR
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 @MrFogg: And on with the talking points..... If anybody really thought Mexico would write check for the wall that's hilarious, Mexico will more than pay for the wall by money that would have gone back there staying here once the wall is in place. Trump Derangement Syndrome is real....
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 @AidenGowans: But there is something to stop you. Treacherous terrain, border patrol agents, and high-tech surveillance devices. I agree, we should prevent illegal crossings on all borders. But a wall isn't the way to do it. Think of it from a cost-benefit perspective. More staff and surveillance can spot more people and are a lot less expensive. Walls can be climbed over, tunneled under, and need to be maintained and guarded. Why not skip the wall and use proven tech? We secure our borders, create jobs, and save money.

I admit I am a bit confused as to why so many people are fixated on a physical barrier as opposed to looking at the best, most cost-effective way to control the border. Secure borders are something I think the vast majority of the country wants, myself included.
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 @bxxer-rider: but it's ok to give twice as much to Central American countries. Yeah that makes sense.
  • + 4
 Build the wall, or don't build the wall, but let me go back to work!!!
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 Funny how during government or state shutdowns here in the US they close the national or state parks we like to use, but have a paid employee (they always receive back pay) there to enforce the shut down. All this over expanding a wall (there is already large sections of wall along the US/Mexico boarder) that both parties have voted to have built in the past and won't solve the illegal immigration problem anyways. Yes, illegal immigration is a problem and a wall won't solve it.
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 @rh00p: I can't find any record of a bill in 2013 for a border fence on the web. Do you have a link to the bill? I know there was the 2006 Secure Fence act, initiated by a Republican Senator, which several Democrats supported. --> Link to factchecking site Snopes.com: www.snopes.com/fact-check/secure-fence-act-50-billion-border
Neither the date, nor amount in this match what you're saying, so maybe this is not it the same bill – in which case, my bad, and I'm sorry for calling you out. Cheers!
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 @johnbalz: will never understand anyone who still upports the orange moron at this point. Makes me sad to think fellow riders share any of his Views.
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 @scott-townes: yes ^ !!!!! Glad to hear sensible comments
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 @mkotowski1: comment of the day
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 @mkotowski1: amazing. Describing hypocrisy at it's finest
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 @owlie: "super liberal communities" aka any large or multicultural city in the US
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 @rjrx: or maybe mosp people on Earth think differently than you
  • + 3
 Come on people, Click bait! 12 small weak paragraphs with nothing intellectual regarding the subject matter. This was clearly dropped to stir the C's Clueless click-baiting computer chair cruising commentators
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 @harryhood: winning the electoral college is winning the election. People who comment on popular vote are ridiculous. You do realize it would take a 2/3rds congress and 3/4ths state ratification to change our election procedure? It's probably more appropriate to pander what if comments about pangea or nuclear fusion. This coming from a Californian that didn't vote for donnie, fyi.
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 @westeast: Exactly! I always cite the example of Mt. Rushmore during one of Obama’s shutdowns, they had lots of deputies coning off the freeesy offramps bear it and enforcing people from looking at the side of a mountain from afar. But that wasn’t political...
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 At the end of the day there is really no point sharing your pov with someone supporting an opposing political party...even if you support it with facts. We as a country have lost sight between what's right and wrong and we just blindly support our respective party's putting party before country...and that goes for both sides. As it relates to the wall, Trump did say, verbatim, we were going to build a wall and Mexico was going to pay with a one time payment. Those words camp out of his mouth during his campaign. That's what he ran on, that's how he riled up his supporters, and now he is unable to deliver...period. Saying preventing immigrants from coming in will pay for the wall is not what was promised. Had he said that during his campaign, perhaps he wouldn't have been elected (just wasted my breath here).

Now that being said, what Trump has succeeded in doing is dividing this country more than I have ever seen in my adult life. His rhetoric makes us weaker as a country on the simple premise of, "United we stand divided we fall".

Word of advise for anyone on here that has children or is considering...forget your political party, your religion, your preferred news source for a second...look around you. Think about the country/ planet you are leaving behind for the future generations. Is the current way of doing sustainable? The division in the country, the crazy weather patterns and gradual climate (not weather) changing, the cost of healthcare in this country, the stagnant wages vs. Inflation? F this wall...there are bigger problems that need to be addressed for the sake of our future generations.
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 Congross put it to vote for federal employees to get paid only 6 democratics voted yes . You tell me whose keeping the federal employees form their salary
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 @scbullit36: exactly my line of thinking
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 @scbullit36: This is the thing nobody seems to understand, and I am glad someone else understands it. I had said Trump's entire campaign if he got elected, the news would become the new reality tv, and it has with the insane amount of controversy his policies, tweets, and many more actions he has taken have caused and that's all that the news is now. His tax reform has increased the gap between different socio-economic classes, and in my opinion, is only really wanted to be president for his own personal gain, in the fact he has some form of control over taxes, and other things, which is especially apparent in his import tariffs, which increase the ability for himself and his family to make money, which is his only priority in life.

There has been no national policy that has benefited anyone, as he has just spurred controversy and divided our country. The reduction of protected lands is proof that Trump has sent our nation into a downward spiral. Furthermore, there are people who think that because our president is a bigot with no filter, they are entitled to do the same, and it is destroying our country. If Trump really isn't running for re-election, I feel bad for our next president who will have to pick up the disheveled pieces of what was formerly known as the United States of America.
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 @TheSlayer99: "for his own personal interest" - I entertained a thought lately - think lots of it is his ego too (aside of business). I can keep it as my own personal opinion but I'd rather say that it is quite obvious that he acts like a stupid, by most social standards of most environments. He is stupid in the social context. He has to be damn smart in other places, especially creating and applying leverage in order to get what he wants. Nonetheless he acts stupid and he doesn't seem to be the best business partner once can imagine. Because of that I am pretty sure the members of the highest echelons of money and power don't respect him as a human being. Can you imagine Bezos, Soros, Musk, Gates, some CEO of a large bank, invite him to party to just because it would be cool to hang out with him? NO. What Obama did at that party, how he humiliated him? All the Senators who won't get into his pocket and would get in the way of his business? But Now? A president? Oh he showed them. All of them. Each human is a social creature and positions himself in various groups and hierarchies... or tries to get above them.
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 @Trouterspace: How are you so sure that Trump's long-term plan isn't to make Mexico pay for it through a series of indirect interest payments structured in the new trade deal between the US and Mexico? You should do some research on that. It's a good theory.
Also, if we simply taxed repatriations by illegal mexican immigrants, we could more than pay for the wall in a relatively short period of time.
You need to realize that Trump supporters are not blind to his exaggerations. Most of us knew that when he said Mexico would pay for it, that was a little far fetched. But a wall is important, and the wall itself was enough to generate massive support across the country. How it is paid for, we can figure out. It's not just Trump that wants a wall, it's the American people.

Also, you should do some research on Israel's use of walls to prevent illegal immigration. Israel and many other countries have been using walls for a long time, because they work. And don't forget the Great Wall of China. Walls work; they've always worked, and they will probably always work, until people can figure out how to fly or jump and climb like spiderman.
If walls don't work, than why do we have walls around our homes, schools, communities, etc.?

The democrats are so dead set on destroying Trump, being offended by everything, pushing diversity instead of competance, and ignoring facts, that they are willing to do and say anything to get what they want. They are like a bunch of spoiled kids, and they are being exposed for it.
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 @NickTheTrick3: Sadly, Trumpski has no plan for anything. He is a seat-of-the-pants, sound-bite driven, junk food president. He hasn't drained the swamp nor has he surrounded himself with 'the best people, the finest people'. In fact they are all crooks, liars, and snitches. I'd rather have a Republican president who was a real PROFESSIONAL politician and a statesman and diplomat than this silver-spoon sucking baby fool. And I am a Green Party member. It's that bad. Give me a real Republican who can govern instead of this bozo. Unless they are a religious fanatic like Pence.
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 @NickTheTrick3: let's say Mexico somehow pays for it through a renegotiated trade deal. How well citizens see a single penny of that? If we front the cost and never get paid back I don't really care if the federal government does. And don't say tax breaks because the federal deficit is already going up from this most recent round.
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 @NickTheTrick3: "And don't forget the Great Wall of China. Walls work; they've always worked"

And the facts are, the Great Wall of China was a failure.

www.nationalgeographic.com/archaeology-and-history/magazine/2016/03-04/the-great-wall-of-china

"The barrier’s military effectiveness, however, is somewhat harder to assess. China’s northern border continued to suffer a very large number of attacks."

"Chinese troops along the wall also had a great deal of friendly contact with the nomads. In spite of opposition from their superiors, Chinese border guards often traded with their enemies. In extreme situations, soldiers even openly colluded with them."

The Berlin wall? Failure.

How about prisons? They're surrounded by walls and fencing and yet cellphones and drugs are easily smuggled in.

Why are you ignoring the facts that state most illegal immigrants are overstayed visas (something a wall extension will do nothing to prevent), and that a majority of drugs are smuggled in through ports of entry?

"If walls don't work, than why do we have walls around our homes, schools, communities, etc.? "

LOL where do you live where the homes, schools and the entire community is surrounded by big walls? You're flat out lying. There's also zero evidence showing a wall around a house or school makes it less likely to be broken into or vandalized.

Thank you for showing the rest of the world that Trump supporters really are that ignorant.
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 So what exactly was the f*cking point of this article other than click-bait to start yet another political argument in the comments section, and get us at each others throats, again? f*ck you Pinkbike.
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 @MrFogg: youre copying and pasting crap from your news feeds bro. Ive told you this before. If coal was solar was the best choice, IT WOULD BE THE BEST CHOICE! regulating crap and forcing people to use this lightbulb and not that one is the government taking little bits of your freedom everyday. You think its for the better, but a free market will allow the best product to naturally rise to the top. Its hard to explain capitalism to a dumbass millennial whose had nothing but years of liberal education and media shoved down their throat
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 @scott-townes:
www.kob.com/albuquerque-news/new-mexico-ranchers-frustrated-with-situation-along-us-mexico-border/5220568/?cat=500
there you go mr google-facts. theres a story from today, from a left leaning station.
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 @owlie: Clearly you don't understand the difference between facts and opinions. Here are 3 articles with people in border towns stating the complete opposite. You made no point whatsoever.

www.nytimes.com/2019/01/08/us/border-wall-crisis-mexico-usa.html
www.star-telegram.com/news/state/texas/article152402734.html
www.latimes.com/projects/la-na-roma-texas-wall
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 @owlie: Per your article "Many, if not all, of the migrants are asylum seekers."

OOOOH SCARRYYY
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flag johnbalz (Jan 24, 2019 at 10:57) (Below Threshold)
 @Trouterspace: Wanting to leave your s---hole country does not make you an asylum seeker, these people are coached by US lawyers to claim asylum. A large percentage of these people have "children" that are not related to them at all when they come across. My family came here legally and it worked out pretty well for us. Was it easy? Heck no, but most things worth doing are not easy and the hardest things to do usually have the greatest rewards. Illegals are not only, illegal, but they diminish and trample on the thousands of legal immigrants doing things the right way.
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 @johnbalz: " A large percentage of these people have "children" that are not related to them at all when they come across."

Any facts to back up this claim?
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 @owlie: The 'free-market' is a code name used by the greedy few to consume the vast majority of this planet's resources and wealth while leaving the rest of us to fight for scraps. Political chaos is merely a diversionary tactic. It used to be religion. The Jamaicans had a saying about that process along the lines of "They pointed to the sky and they took the land while we were looking for god" This is no different. Trump is just interested in enriching himself and anyone who will prop him up. The Ultragreedy are using him to release the protected lands and resources for their profit. The Trump supporters here are the real fools - you'll get no benefit from this rape. This is end-stage capitalism: massive wealth disparity.
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 @johnbalz: When did your family legally immigrate to America?
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 I kind of think we need more Latinos in this country. Look around.@johnbalz:
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 @WhiteSCV10: shit I meant to give you props bu accidentally downvoted. You are 100% correct. Pinkbike tryna get the clicks...
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 Well, the hundred of upvotes and downsides on these comments show where pinkbike people stand I guess. One f***ing place I thought I could get away from the media blast telling me what I need to think about everything all day long every day. I guess I was wrong...thanks Pinkbike. Not really.

Now please downvote this to silence the voice of anyone who doesn't agree with the cultural movement to hate one person and blame him for everything that's wrong in a whole country.
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 @Warburrito: Aw that's cute you care that much about upvotes/props.
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 Keep this website free of Merican Drama and politics.
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 Thank you. Politics ruins everything, this is a bike platform
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 I'm super reluctant to address political stuff on our little corner of the internet—bikes are fun and unify our little tribe. But this is an important aspect of a political development that is affecting mountain biking. We can't do trail impact stories when it's about eMTBs, and then not do trail impact stories when it's about the government.
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 @brianpark: I know that people say it's not relevant, but in our forgotten corner of the US we were actively working on the new Forest Revision Plan which involves all user groups and different levels of government, with the largest landowner being the Forest Service. We had to postpone a critical meeting last night due to the shutdown and because there are laws regarding approval of certain aspects of this process, there could be significant impacts to how the plan takes shape without our input.

Is there an immediate impact? No, but it could shape mountain biking here for the next 20+ years.
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flag ridesmoothbro (Jan 23, 2019 at 15:15) (Below Threshold)
 @brianpark: eBikes are not the same as politics. The leanings of this site is showing itself.
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 Well then, tell your Canadian copy and paste embargo breaking website to not post this kind of non-mtb garbage.
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 @brianpark: If you're reluctant to discuss it, that's your gut telling you not to do it! This is a bullshit article, since most trail building and maintenance (at least here in the Northeast) is done at the local level, by local organizations, on our dime, not the governments.
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 Thank you GatoGordo. I completely agree. When these trails do open back up and I go for a ride I don't want to be thinking about why 50% of my fellow mountain bikers are sheep and self-destructive and I don't want them thinking about me as a racist, sexist, xenophobe, homophobe, psychopath, etc. I don't feel like this is the forum for that crap even if the moderators on this site do. I can bicker with people on Twitter or Facebook if I wanted to, but instead I'm on Pinkbike reading about stuff that doesn't make me want to live on an island by myself away from all the crazies (who also think I'm crazy). When I ride I escape this nonsense for a short while, and when Its winter I at least like to read about something I love that feels like an escape. Please don't kill this for us moderators.
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 @Warburrito: please move to said island. Anyone who refers to someone as a sheep because they don't subscribe to their wild right wing conspiracy theories...please move. Otherwise, please explain to the 50% (it's likely higher than that) why we are all sheep by your definition.
  • + 0
 @scbullit36: instead, I will ask you how an entire country's media system can attack anyone with different political, religious, and social beliefs than them while simultaneously claiming they are the pinacle of acceptance and moral superiority. Strange.
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 @Warburrito: please give me some specific examples. Because you pretty much just described exactly what Ann Coulter, Sean Haninity, and Tucker Carlson do on a daily basis.
  • + 0
 @scbullit36: You're right, I should fall in line or leave this country. I am currently building a 26" / 27.5" bike, but maybe I should be going with a 27.5 plus bike. It would allow me to ride more in the winter, but I have asthma and unfortunately suffer attacks while excercising in the cold weather. In the spirit of compromise I may be able to fit somewhere around a 26x2.6 rear and 27.5x2.8 front, which might allow a little bit more float atop the snow, but still bring back that awesome feel of my brother's old Big Hit.
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 @Warburrito: huh? Not sure how to take that response so...I guess literally? If you have asthma issues in the winter I wouldn't even bother with plus sized tires. Great solution for a quiver killer if you want to ride year round but traditional width tires in the spring/summer/fall months are much better and roll faster imo. With regard to the 26/27.5 thing...I've herd good feedback about mixed wheel sizes and cornering and it could be cool to try out. I would suggest 29/ 27.5 to get the better roll over but 26/27.5 would work too. Just avoid 26/29...it's been done and I've read it doesn't work all that well because the wheel sizes are too different. Link how it works out!
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 Less federal government involvement and regulations might actual lead to more trail building. Since when have mountain bikers needed the government to pave a path in the woods for them? Be proactive and volunteer time to help build and maintain trails (or whatever else you are passionate about) and stop relying on the government.
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 Like at Joshua Tree, where kooks are cutting new jeep trails through virgin desert right now?
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 @endlessblockades: there's a proper balance, but some dumb mother f*ckers make a system with reasonable freedom very hard
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 Kinda hard when the land in question is federally owned.
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 @Mntneer: There's plenty of land to rape - doing virgin turf doesn't make you more of a Free Man.
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 This guy is some dumbass qanon fan who probably invested in the dinar
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 @endlessblockades: No, more like the volunteers like you and me who clear trails of broken tree limbs, those who dig out the puddle on a trail to have a drain source and fixing other erosion all without a federal rubber stamp, insurance or approval. Not any different than we already do.

Abuse of land does not equate to WDA's point. Trails existed before the first flag was hung above the roofline of the 13 colonies, government is not a prerequisite to trail maintenance or building. I understand that the federal government's payments may be furloughed and that presents a problem for cash strapped trail organizations. Each will have to figure out what is the best use of their time. At the very least it's winter and not springtime!
  • + 1
 Problem is if you open us stuff too much we will ruin for ourselves. You’ll have a million overlapping unattainable trails in ten years.
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 @mkotowski1: Humans will love this earth to death.
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 @endlessblockades: damn that’s sad
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flag rjrx (Jan 23, 2019 at 15:17) (Below Threshold)
 @stonant: that must make you a libtard who wants HRC to president. Lol
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 @mkotowski1: It is sad for the humans and even more so for the thousands of plant and animal species we are driving to rapid extinction, but believe me: Nature Bats Last!

YOU KIDS AND YOUR KIDS WILL NEED TO TURN THIS GREED-DRIVEN MESS AROUND!
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 @rjrx: no one liked Hilary it’s just surprising anyone likes trump
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 @endlessblockades: yah man gonna take some major changes in the next 50 to 100 years if we want to avoid some serious devastation
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 @mkotowski1: Must be why she won by 3 million votes.

The only person dumber than a Trumper is a libertarian.
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 @kmg0: Hilary is better than trump but both were poor options I mean really is that the best both parties could put forth
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flag rjrx (Jan 23, 2019 at 20:25) (Below Threshold)
 @mkotowski1: why not like Trump...the deep state libtards who want open borders and sociolist ideologies can go f*ck themselves... would of never guessed pink bike was so full of libtard antifa want a bees... actually I take that back, most of you are uneducated fools following the herd.
  • + 3
 Ride more, building more, drink more beer and argue less. We Probally all want the same here. More rad trails and less people telling us where we can't ride our bikes.
  • + 0
 @endlessblockades: no one said to be an idiot and destroy the desert. If you want that, go to Utah
  • + 7
 @rjrx: trump put all those thoughts I. Your head. You’d never even heard of antics and probably can’t define socialism. I have respect for Republicans but not people who hate the other party. We’re all Americans what ever happened to that. f*ck the politicians not 50 percent of the population you idiot.
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 @rjrx: so is that how your going to get stuff done by calling people libtards? Cool bro. That’s reall gonna solve some issues. Trump has made you angry, if trump angry I angry caveman say
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 @rjrx: holy christ, you sound like a mouth breather.
  • - 2
 Trump 2020
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 @Don23:

Trump for Prison 2020 - mark my words. Crack a brew, it's almost Mueller Time!
  • + 1
 @endlessblockades: The Trump Derangement Syndrome is strong with this one!! You keep the fantasy alive and we'll keep making this country greater and greater Smile
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 @johnbalz: TDS for Lyfe.

I hadn't heard of this before..........

Top definition
Trump Derangement Syndrome
The latest attempt by the alt-right to demonise anybody who thinks that maybe putting a reality TV star who's declared bankruptcy six times in charge of the country might not have been the best idea.
"So what if Trump only told the complete truth throughout 4% of his campaign, and had to settle out of court for that fraud trial, and that he reacts like a spoilt brat on Twitter to any kind of criticism? Geez, you libtard SJW snowflakes just have accept democracy won and stop exercising your right to free speech! You're so negative with your Trump Derangement Syndrome!"
#trump#strawman argument
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 @johnbalz: AMERICA FIRST !!!!

HILLARY IS A TERRORIST
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 @Don23: your more likely a terrorist
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 @kmg0: that is pretty funny...never heard that.
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 All this says to me is just go out with your own tools, don't tell anyone, and do some trail maintenance. That's what I do. No rangers around to catch you giving back to the sport anyways. Win win.
  • + 13
 Yup, never needed the government to build awesome trails in the first place. Just need a shovel and a mcleod
  • + 12
 Quick! Build the biggest jumps you can before the government comes back!
  • + 4
 Well shit! All 3 of you live to far west to come build.Looks like ill be alone.
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 WE NEED TO BUILD A TRAIL.
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 @brianpark : we need more content that generates tons of comments.
@danielsapp : hold my beer.
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 No. I'm super reluctant to address political stuff on our little corner of the internet—bikes are fun and unify our little tribe. But this is an important aspect of a political development that is affecting mountain biking. We can't do trail impact stories when it's about eMTBs, and then not do trail impact stories when it's about the government.
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 @brianpark: Those engagement stats tho... Wink

Consider my comment poking fun at the commenters, not the moderators.

In all seriousness, Pinkbike has never tried to sensationalize political issues to boost numbers. You're totally right; this is an important story that needs to be shared, it's just funny how certain topics bring out the keyboard warriors.
  • + 12
 I love Trump - I assume him being president is just part of a giant comedy reality show. I am sort of glad its not my country that is being used as the main stage of the set though Smile
  • + 5
 in 2 years, you will be able to stream the 4 years of his presidency as seen thru his eyes, like the Truman Show.
  • + 0
 It’s all one big impov bit. Everyone’s just making it up on the spot and trying to one up each other and get more and more ridiculous until the bits over.
  • + 2
 Maybe you missed it, but Trudeau is a pretty big joke as well.
  • - 1
 @savagelake: Don't forget, he's got 6 more years left Smile
  • + 0
 You can have em, dog. I'll take the oil tycoon fake liberal, they atleast know how to sign their name on stuff, and not stumble and slur through speeches.
  • + 2
 @TypicalCanadian: he has his moments, but he's no where near the embarrassment. Trueau hasn't illegally paid off any of his former mistresses, he doesn't have any audio of him saying "grab her by the pussy", and 70 percent of his cabinet hasn't quite yet.
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 @harryhood: Crazy how you know the politics of another country so well. Not everything you see on TV is the truth, and not everything that happens is ever covered by the media. Don’t assume you know what’s going on in Canada, and I won’t assume I know what’s going on in your country.
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 5.7 billion for a wall ride?
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 LOL tru dat
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 Trudeau our Canadian president just announced he is building a wall right across Canada to keep American ignorants from sneaking into Canada.
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 As a typical Canadian, I approve of your typical Canadian arrogance. Good job! We gotta tell everyone one the internet how superior we are!
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flag johnbalz (Jan 23, 2019 at 16:55) (Below Threshold)
 Tell me, what was the Canadians last major contribution to the world? I mean you're some of the nicest people, and you have some beautiful terrain but us "ignorant" Americans sure do seem to do more for the world than Canada ever has. You don't need a wall because we already live in the best country in the world, so we don't need any persuading to stay here.
Thanks for all that delicious maple syrup at least!
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 Hey jonbalz or is it Johnballs? Anyways, see the link below. I found this when I was using the interweb , it took a while to find cause we only have old school dial up in Kanada... glad your holding the world up on your broad and proud shoulders; were to busy growing pot, shooting beavers and playing hockey...

www.mediatrainingtoronto.com/blog/2013/6/29/50-great-inventions-canada-gave-the-world
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flag johnbalz (Jan 23, 2019 at 18:18) (Below Threshold)
 @Moosemandible: The content of your link says it all. Well, that and your spelling and grammar....
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 thanks johnyballs.. gotta go now; sorry about the spelling and grammer, are public school ain’t great but gets us buy... try to make Amerika great again ok
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flag rjrx (Jan 23, 2019 at 20:28) (Below Threshold)
 Have fun with your Muslim brothers. Trudeau is all about the brotherhood.
  • + 2
 @johnbalz: Maybe you don't have much use for these down in Cali, but we invented the snowmobile, the snow blower, and the rotary snowplough
  • + 1
 @Sshredder where I live Canadians cross the border by the thousands daily! They are everywhere! . . . . . I’ll pitch in for your wall!
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 @johnbalz: why oh why sir
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 @MX298: wall no no thats just a metaphor for IQ test.
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 I like trails, I like riding but this article is hyperbole, a few trails not being maintained is the least of US worries!
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 Trails are too important to be left to the government Smile
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 *grabs popcorn and heads to the comments section.
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 Sad that even Pinkbike comment section had to go full on political. MTB is, at least to me, is place to set it aside and get away from all this, thanks.
  • + 5
 Wasn’t it during the last government shutdown in the late 90’s that a few dudes from a Sedona bike shop poached a ride down the Grand Canyon, and much to their surprise there were still a few rangers working. They were arrested and the judge threw the book at them, if I recall correctly.
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 Yep, the Sedona Five is what the name they were given. They were arrested and taken out by helicopter.
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 Ride your bike more and talk politics less...
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 Last time they shut the government down they furloughed me and I spent the week shuttling parts of the PCT (which I'll add I also volunteer maintenance on.) I'd have done it this time but somehow this go around I'm "essential." Not sure how I feel about that all things considered, that was some prime time mountain biking...
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 This thread is very typical. Everyone who isn't a leftist gets downvoted so their voice isn't heard. Click away !!!!
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 Funny how people bitch and moan about the prices of bikes on this forum. But have the liberal socialist ideology of taking money from the working class to give to the poor. I am setting up a fund for my next bike so all you libtards can donate to it. I'll even throw in free classes on how to get over your Trump Derangement Syndrome you pansies.
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 Exactly
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 TRUMP 2020 !!!!!!!!'j
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 And this is what happens when people only listen to themselves, and sometimes not even themselves
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 Pink bike stop with politics!!!!! We r here for MTB content not your political views. If we wanted ur political views we would turn on CNN. Keep PB MTB!!!!
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 Wow, never seen political stuff here before. Rather not see it...but, Trump did an interview either right before or after the election. It was at that point he stated that better trade deals with Mexico will pay for the wall. Afterwards he still stated Mexico would pay for it at rallies. Depending on which news you listen to one may or not know that he even said it. Some news stations use his claims to gin up the Democrat base. Lots of confusion above on that point. Man, I'd much rather read you guys arguing over bike stats instead. My trails are owned by the state...so...
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 And just like that Pinkbike went political.
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 My local trail group, SBMTV (Santa Barbara, CA) just has a full weekend trail leader training and this government shut down made it difficult to actually learn in the field. Very frustrating, but at least I’m still getting a pay check. Small beans relative to what a lot of families are dealing with.
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 Having comments open on articles like this is pointless. Nothing gets accomplished, just hate and division. Thanks pinkbike, this shit is stupid.
  • + 1
 Yep I completely agree, it doesn't matter what you're political views are people will never see eye to eye.
  • + 5
 Time to go build some would be illegal trails lol
  • + 4
 bureaucracy doesn’t built trails. People with shovels do. Shut up and dig.
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 Politicians are like socks when they stink you change them, this is true in 99.9% of cases the other .1% didn't get elected
This is true all across the world.
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 you know theres this thing called a shovel.... too many people out there that don't contribute to trail work. instead of relying on government service, which I think is dumb to begin with, go out there and put work in yourself. NO DIG NO RIDE. also Build The Wall
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 People jobs like yours are being used as part of a political standoff. Is this fair? People safety like yours is being used as part of a political standoff. Is this fair? How? This is 2019 and not a chapter in a dystopian novel. In any case this is just wrong.
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 more important than trail building --- 50 minutes from DC, the shut down is hurting our business is so many ways. Pshop and Primo Hoagies--- we already have enough trails out there
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 This is something I was thinking reading this article. Of all the things we have going on in this country that need attention and things that are suffering due to this shut-down, the trail building comes at the bottom of the barrel. There is always room for more trails and trailbuilding, but there are other focuses that need attended too. Like people's lives and well being (granted I understand some people make a living building trails). Pretty obvious this topic on PB would be a slippery slope of politics. We get enough of the arguing and BS from the media already.
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 Holy shit, this escalated quick haha
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 Always built my own NBC jumps and always make my own trails. Bike parts pay people to build Trails so they can make money. Fake news.... grab a shovel start digging
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 Walls just don't work, history has proved that many times over. I don't suppose the Trumpdump has read any history books though, actually any books... words even. The guy is just a thick as f bully, just like Brexit voters.
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 Wall of China Berlin Wall Wall Street Wall of Shame Wall of Fame Pink Floyds The Wall walls walls walls
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 Gwin/Intense brought us together this morning, now trail building/trump wall/Gov shut down torn us apart
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 Gwin for president and let him build a 5B wallride around his new house
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 Yes, this shutdown is preventing large numbers of rider-volunteers from doing trail work in my local area. Right now is prime digging season too, due to mega recent rains. Trump can suck it.
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 My country is being held hostage by morons. They hacked the elections, and are working on a cold coup. Somehow they are proud of it all.
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flag johnbalz (Jan 23, 2019 at 13:22) (Below Threshold)
 Lol. Other than a CNN headline do you have any shred of anything resembling proof other than the tears of liberals who simply can't get over the fact they lost an election?
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 @johnbalz: You don’t have to be a liberal to realize trump is a con man. Just look at what he does to his “friends.”
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 @johnbalz: Forget the election. Hilary was a terrible candidate. The issue is how much POTUS bends over for Putin that is troubling...how do people not see this? Everything Russia related, he kisses Putin's ass. This is not a liberal vs. conservative argument. wake up.
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flag johnbalz (Jan 23, 2019 at 14:54) (Below Threshold)
 @ReformedRoadie: @ReformedRoadie: Please provide examples. Was Trump kissing Putin's ass when he sold weapons to the Ukraine to fight the Russians (which even Barry O. refused to do). Perhaps it was when he fired missiles at Syrian military sites openly targeting strategic Russian operations and allies? Or maybe it was when he expelled 60 Russian diplomats from the US when they poisoned a KGB agent not even on our soil? I believe your memory is foggy, it was Barry O. who was caught on a hot mic literally whispering to the Russians to not worry, that he'd "have more flexibility after my election". The left increasingly believes that if they simply say something that makes it true, facts be damned.
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 @johnbalz: I don't waste my time arguing with you morons anymore. The dude is so clearly a f*ckin plant its insane. Believe your own garbage fake truths dog. Trumpy bear is the dumbest f*cking dude ever.

Also Clinton won the election.
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flag johnbalz (Jan 23, 2019 at 16:45) (Below Threshold)
 @kmg0: Oh man, thank you so much for the clear explanation!! Your brilliant arguments and well-supported statements really cleared this up? Now name-calling and insulting people just because you don't agree with them, isn't one of the tenets of your side standing against that? Weird, it's almost like you're a bunch of hypocrites or something...

I'd love to hear how Hillary "won" the election too.... Just drop a few F-bombs, that'll clear that up as well right?
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flag Don23 (Jan 24, 2019 at 21:47) (Below Threshold)
 @johnbalz: TRUMP 2020
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 Instead of building a wall, just build a massive Slope Style pro-line along the boarder. Then we can have XC/garbanzo Slope Style.
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 Just about all mtn. bikers I have hung out with are pretty apolitical. I'm surprised comments on articles like these blow up like they do.
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 Yeah I'm off to ride my bike now. Gunna try out that NW 32t chainring on it's own as opposed to the usual single ring chainguide set-up, should be interesting.
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 Here comes the TDS
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 Tour de shit?
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 Total dissolved solvents?
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 The Donald Suckups?
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 Tremendous Dump Size?
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 The Dirty Sanchez? (sorry for the MTB content).
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 Trump Derp Squad
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 Three-Dicked Samurais?
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 Seriously, politics on Pinkbike is so 2017.
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 Total Don Show.
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 Totalitarian democratic socialist
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 Shutdown is strategic. US leaders can't be so f*cking dumb and selfish to allow hard working honest citizens to suffer over a power struggle right?? Oh wait, its the US government...
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 Our president is a Russian agent and a con man.
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 Who are the real crybabies?
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 trump
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 I'm Sorry but the only ones I see crying are the Hillary and Bernie kooks
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 More importantly subi has its own shutdown going on: halting production of the Forrester and crosstrek!!!
  • + 1
 Let the poaching and illegal trail building commence!!! I've always wanted to ride my bike across the grand canyon and now it just might be time!!!
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 I come over to Pink Bike to get a rest from all the political drama. Now I guess I will go ride muddy trails...
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 looks like a session
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 big ups to pinkbike for causing a mass political debate, glad were canadian Wink
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 I agree with you there. I'm glad I'm English! Good stuff pinkbike for continuing to talk about biking, even though its caused an absolute shitstorm. I'm not going to pretend the UK doesn't have problems at the moment...but at least Brexit is a disagreement over real grown up matters. Lol, a wall. The entire width of North America. Lol again.
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 Your Clueless
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 Thog don’t care. Buy local.
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 back to the old days boys... just get it done......
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 Therefore, everything taxes pay for would be privately owned. Sounds wonderful.
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 Donald Trump t'es foutu ! Les gilets jaunes sont dans la rue !
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 When trails are outlawed only outlaws will ride them...
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 Whats Randys take?
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 At least our jumps and trails WE build will be fine for awhile
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 Good time to poach the N Kaibab trail?
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 Fake news.
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 Are we not capable of handling our own issues ourselves?

Why do we NEED a government this freaking large?

This is NOT a politically biased idea.

We're nannied and babied every day.

This is a sad place to be.
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 He who we shall not name should resign one and for all
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flag mpcremata (Jan 23, 2019 at 12:12) (Below Threshold)
 I think the only thing I find more annoying than Americans bitching about our president on a mtb website is non-Americans doing it. Yea, we elected a douche. You elected a pretty-boy commie-lover. You don't hear us going on and on about your elected douche leader. Get over it.
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 @mpcremata: You're reading the comment section of a Canadian website. Are you trying to be annoyed?
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 @mpcremata: Totally, people in Canada don't really realize it. Americans elected a celebrity idiot with name recognition, and Canada also elected a celebrity idiot with name recognition
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 @kookseverywhere: That, sir, is a brilliant observation! I wish I had said that! (Seriously!)
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