Interview: Jared Graves Comments on Failed Drug Test

Nov 26, 2018
by Mike Levy  



Earlier today, Richie Rude and Jared Graves confirmed to Pinkbike that they tested positive for the drugs Higenamine and Oxilofrine at an in-competition test in Olargues, France. Jared is also undergoing treatment for a brain tumour that he was diagnosed with back in September, making the situation all the more distressing.

We sat down with Jared to get the specifics of the situation from his perspective.





Did you return an adverse analytical finding?


Jared Graves: Yes.


When and where did this get returned from?


Graves: The race was the EWS, round three in France, and it was probably late-July when we got news of it. So that was when we first found out.


back in the mix and only 11 seconds out of the lead Jared Graves was happy with his day.
Graves tested positive for Higenamine and Oxilofrine at this season's EWS race in Olargues, France.


Do you know the substance, or substances, that caused the AAF?


Graves: There are two things, and they're stimulants; Higenamine and Oxilofrine were the two things. And from what we know now, Higenamine is a banned substance in-competition and out of competition, but Oxilofrine is only banned in-competition.


Have you ever intentionally taken a banned substance?


Graves: Absolutely not. That's the biggest part of what we're on about here; there's no way that I'd ever do anything to hurt my reputation or anything like that. I've had too many years of racing. I think it's fair to say about myself that I'm at the twilight of my career, so to speak, so now would not be the time to start doing anything like that. I mean, I've had so many years back in the day, and especially the 4X and BMX times, when I was on the ASADA [Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority] testing pool and I got dozens of tests every year in competition and complete random tests out of competition, which included blood tests as well and that sort of stuff. And I never had a single issue with anything.

The big thing for me is that some of the drinks I've had, like a pre-workout type of drink, they're all things that I've had in the past and were never on the banned list. And I've always tested clean in every test I've ever had, so I just never thought to update myself with any information if anything was added to the banned list because every test I've ever had was clean.

You know, you're not seeking any of the bigger name, nasty things that people talk about and associate with cycling in general, so you know you're not seeking out any of that stuff. To me, I have nothing to worry about, and this whole thing, for lack of a better way to put it, is a big 'what the f*ck' moment.
What are Higenamine and Oxilofrine?

Higenamine is used to treat asthma and is also part of the Beta2 agonist class of drugs. Like all Beta 2s, it's totally banned in and out of competition by WADA. It works by relaxing the muscles that control the airways, letting the lungs take in more oxygen and boost performance. Higenamine is also used as a fat burner in dietary supplements.

Oxilofrine is a stimulant and amphetamine that's known to increase focus and alertness, and it can reduce reaction time by encouraging the body to produce more adrenaline. This has the added benefit of boosting endurance, increasing the oxygenation of the blood, and burning fat. It's banned in-competition.

Both are 'Specified Substances,' a subcategory of prohibited substances that are not necessarily less potent but do leave open the possibility of a reduced sentence through a plausible explanation. WADA says that Specified Substances were introduced: "to recognize that it is possible for a substance to enter an athlete’s body inadvertently," and therefore allow a tribunal more flexibility when making a sanctioning decision.



The two substances that showed up, would they be listed as ingredients in any of your supplements? And if not, do you have any idea of what might have caused the test result?


Graves' lawyer, Matt Kaiser: We can't answer that right now, unfortunately.


It sounds like the suspicion is the supplements, though?


Graves: We've certainly gone through everything that I've had in the time leading up to that day, and we're getting things tested to try and pinpoint exactly where it came from.


20 minutes after the finish and this is the glamorous life of the best riders in the world as they await their turn at the anti-doping station.
Other pro men wait for their turn at the AFLD's doping control station on May 13th.


In a race or a training situation, is it ever something that crosses your mind that you wouldn't drink from someone's bottle or that you wouldn't take something that maybe you're not familiar with?


Graves: At home, I have a very close group of guys that I train with, and even a lot of those guys don't race themselves, so they've got no interest in anything that could be deemed 'performance enhancing.' They're into it for the pure love of the sport, and there's no way they'd want to do anything to hurt my reputation or anything like that.

As far as at a race goes, it's kind of something that's been encouraged amongst riders; so everyone helps each other out, which is an awesome part of the sport. Certainly, you never think like that, especially when you're in the 'race frame of mind.' You know, you try to help everyone as best you can, and I think everyone sort of has the opinion of 'look after everyone else, and when you need a bit of help they'll look after you.' That's kind of the way that everyone goes about the competition, really. Everyone's looking out for each other. I've certainly never thought anything malicious might be going on between anyone, and I still don't think that.


Was this the first time you've been tested while competing in the Enduro World Series?


Graves: Yes, this is the first time I've been tested.

Have you been aware of any testing at other Enduro World Series events?


Graves: Not to my knowledge, no. I know there's been some other testing in other races that I haven't competed in, but not in an EWS.


And you've already said that you were tested in other disciplines and that it wasn't that much of an uncommon occurrence?


Graves: Over the years, I've been tested in other disciplines.
It was a cold and grey day today in Olargues
It was a cold, dark weekend in Olargues, France, when the EWS rolled into town.


How is an EWS athlete supposed to know what substances are banned? Is this something that the organizer communicates with you, or is it entirely on your guys' shoulders to go figure that out?


Graves: It's not something that I've ever even thought about because, again, I thought I had absolutely nothing to worry about. As far as the rider, it's something that you have to be aware of yourself, and it's not something that's been hugely advertised in any way. But now is a good time to mention that everyone should take this as an example to educate themselves, I guess, and really look at what they're putting in their bodies because, to me, this is a prime example of how easy something like this can happen.

I just never would have thought I'd be in this situation, yet here we are. You've got to be really aware, especially with it becoming more of a normal thing now, so you've got to be super on top of what you're putting into your body. Inform yourself.


From here, what's the next step? What's the process?


Graves: We're still waiting on an actual hearing date, so there's not too much else that we can say or do for now. It's just trying to pinpoint where the substances came from and just build our defence as best we can and try to think of anything that might be helpful towards our situation.

For me, personally, the biggest part is for 2019; I wouldn't be racing anyway because I've got another six months of high-dose chemo coming up, so that won't end until the middle of the year, and then it can take months before you're back to normal energy levels. It's nasty stuff and it takes awhile for your body to recover from the high-dose chemo cycles. It's looking like this time next year before I'd even be able to one-hundred-percent be back into training. So for me, racing next year isn't on the cards anyway.


Richie Rude is back There was no stopping him once the stage wins started piling up.
Jared's friend, former teammate, and sometimes training partner Richie Rude took the win in France and also tested positive for banned substances.


Are you aware of if your B sample has already been tested?


Graves: I don't think we even opted for the B sample, did we?
Graves' lawyer, Matt Kaiser: No, you're correct. We didn't opt for the B sample and just accepted that the results are what they were.


What do you think this news will mean for the sport of enduro racing? Do you think we're going to see any big changes as far as more testing, which I think we'll be seeing anyway with the UCI coming in?


Graves: Yeah, I think testing was going to be part of the whole deal anyway, but I just hope it doesn't give a negative reputation for the sport because that'd be super-bad for the sport at this point. It's just starting to get some really good momentum behind it. Again, something like this has come up out of nowhere and it's been completely unexpected. It just goes to show how easy something like this can happen and it'd be a big bummer if people... If things start snowballing with comments on the internet, and people start talking about their opinions of stuff that they don't really know what they're talking about, or the particular situation.

So I just think it'd be unfortunate for the sport if people - I don't know if it's just Saturday night boredom or something - if they could just keep that in check until the facts are known. That would be awesome.


Jared Graves bombs through the fog during one of the many passing storms that have been pouring moisture all over the tracks.
Graves declined having his B sample be tested.


How do you want to address the scepticism?


Graves: I just hope they can see that everything I've said is the truth, and I've always been a clean rider. I hope they can just identify the difference between some bigger name, more commonly talked about substances that we haven't tested positive for and certainly haven't ever considered having anything to do with. There's a big difference between that sort of stuff and what we've tested positive for. And how easily it can happen; caffeine is a stimulant and caffeine is in everything.

I'd just like to say to people that if you've ever had a coffee before to try and amp yourself up for a race or something, then you've essentially tried to do something that... You know, everyone is drinking coffee all the time, so everyone's guilty of taking a stimulant of some degree to try and energize themselves for a race or whatever.

The situation that I'm in at the moment, a lot of people could be in if they had been tested at that race. Just try and not jump to conclusions.


239 Comments

  • + 251
 Seems honest and open. Classy way to deal with this. Good luck Graves (with everything)!
  • - 152
flag Gregorysmithj1 (Nov 26, 2018 at 11:00) (Below Threshold)
 HOnestly a cheat these jack wads are going to tank the mtb industry like lance did in road.
  • + 9
 Seem a very similar interview as Richie's with tone, attorney jumping in, and reference to some type of 'unseen' ingredient in a supplement. Main difference was Jared's cancer details/references.
  • + 28
 The difference between Graves and Rude's response and every road cyclist who's ever been caught is not saying "I'm innocent" seven hundred times and sounding arrogant while doing so. Fingers crossed it is an unfortunate accident.
  • - 4
flag jozefk (Nov 26, 2018 at 22:23) (Below Threshold)
 How long did Lance Amstrong deny ... until impossible to deny indeed.... Funny that exactly the two biggest friends have the same outcome... fishyyy... I know the fanboys will not let their riders go untill the point of no return... haha..
  • - 20
flag jozefk (Nov 26, 2018 at 22:24) (Below Threshold)
 @bman33: exactly, all downplay and all with external help... devide and conquer... but in all fairness, they are just a bunch of cheaters...
  • + 10
 @bman33: the attorneys both jumped in when they were asked specifically about what they were taking. Most likely they just didn’t want them to mention any specific supplements or brands, etc because that could open them up to legal pushback from those companies.
  • - 7
flag jozefk (Nov 27, 2018 at 23:45) (Below Threshold)
 @sino428: not at all... it would be that it became obvious that they were cheating... cause it wasn't in the food or drinks... all they did now is buying time to spin it. In meantime they have time to find something that will be a good reason...
  • + 11
 @Trailstunter: the question was "The two substances that showed up, would they be listed as ingredients in any of your supplements? And if not, do you have any idea of what might have caused the test result?"

the entire measure of guilt/accountability/innocence/etc is routed in the answer and accuracy of this question. No one under investigation or trying to clear their name is going to answer it in what is essentially a casual interview. It's a massively loaded question for the rides and potentially any supplement brand that may be involved and would not be discussed outside of a formal setting with legal council. dodging it isn't guilt, it's standard legal protocol, and the answer will be known eventually. Until then all anyone can do is speculate.
  • - 3
 @davetrumpore: there is the big biased dave again... are you going to threat me with a ban agaun? Whahahaha
They are both hardcore cheaters... and you are part of the whole media strategy to cover their cheating asses...
  • + 2
 @Trailstunter: Still can't behave like an adult can ya Rudi? And cool conspiracy theory (rolls eyes)
  • + 0
 @davetrumpore: so you start to throw my personal details on here now? Looked in my personal profile?
Sad guy with your defense for your cheating butt buddies... and abuse of your admin rights here...
  • + 0
 @davetrumpore: Oh and so you know, I filed a complaint of your abuse of your forum rights... you looked into my personal profiles which is guaranteed to be private and you posted my personal details here...

Pretty obsessive btw that you behave like this... apparently this is normal for you...
  • + 1
 @Trailstunter: cool story... I'm not an admin and have no more access to anything on this site than you do... But due to the aggressive nature of your posts another user who knows you from racers you've attended shared with me your name ;-)
  • - 1
 @davetrumpore: Nice story... but what would be the point for that?
Pretty sick btw that you are up to these practices Wink Obsessive...
  • + 221
 He's got bigger things to worry about right now. Stop hounding him with this shit..
  • + 52
 Seriously, leave the guy alone for a while. When he hopefully beats cancer then ask him about it.
  • - 3
 A freaken witch hunt while the man is battling brain cancer.
  • + 41
 I would almost garauntee that Richie and Jared approached Pinkbike for this article not the other way around. There have been no official anouncments from anyone yet.
  • - 53
flag Gregorysmithj1 (Nov 26, 2018 at 11:02) (Below Threshold)
 Lance had cancer his cheating still tanked the road bike industry, I have bills to pay our industry is at stake its bigger than one cheater who is a "good guy" Lance is a good guy as well but tell that to the 100'es of shops that went under because of his cheating!
  • + 31
 @Gregorysmithj1: LOL. Pump the brakes Chicken Little. The industry ebbs and flows. Road surged in popularity and mgrew immensely due in large part to Lance and a shift away from traditional ball sports like Golf. ! Now it's retracted in part because millennials aren't picking up road bikes at the same rate the previous generation did. Millennial however are spending money on travel and experiences. That said, MTB is riding the wave because MTBs have never been better and the great spots to ride and access are endless. Jared graves cannot tank the bike industry.
  • - 27
flag Gregorysmithj1 (Nov 26, 2018 at 11:34) (Below Threshold)
 @philneuve: valid points I personally wish the just let everyone do whatever drug they want and then have a "clean" org as well.
  • + 6
 Watt about the thousands of bikes sold due to Lance success!? No one asked for their money back after the truth was known... Work’d on a bike shop during that time, and everyone was in to road cycling... @Gregorysmithj1:
  • + 1
 @Gregorysmithj1: Tank the bike industry? 100s of shops that went under because of Lance's use of PED? This is good, your concept that they will massively hurt the industry, most people buying parts and bikes from shops dont know who rider these riders are.

Mtn creek is richie's home mountain. He can often be scene riding at it. I would be shocked to learn even one rider goes "w0w richie used PED I'm never riding creek again and certainly not bringing my business to the awesome bike shop next to creek" come on seriously the only people this will have a massive affect on besides those personally involved is all they keyboard warriors on PB.

Everyone calling these guys cheaters and a disgrace need to stop and realize. These athletes have worked extremely hard and are exceptionally talented riders. It's not like once an athlete uses a PED that they go from the best rider in your group to suddenly putting up strong cat1 results. Let's understand something about the athlete and the substance before the fans start trying to burn our own industry.

The problem with PED is one athlete can have an unfair advantage due to a supplement correct? Is it an unfair advantage to a factory rider who has a mechanic that's on salary being paid more than the privateer makes in his 9-5? If you're factory rider and you have parts that no one else does, is this an obvious clear advantage?

Yes I understand they are breaking rules and need to be punished but to suddenly say they are going to personally tank an industry, disgrace us all and affect my earning power in this industry now that's comical. At the end of the day its still just riding bikes.
  • + 2
 @OsamaBeenRiding: I overreacted but you seem to not know anything about the road industry and the savage effect lance's ped had on it. You are making uninformed assumptions.
  • + 1
 @Gregorysmithj1: I guess I am unaware of the fall out from it. I certainly understand the poor publicity but I just have trouble believing people went wow lance cheated and stopped riding. If it affected corporate sponsors, media funding ect then I can understand how it deeply affected the sport. I cant see this having the same affect.
  • + 1
 @Gregorysmithj1: I very much doubt that Lance's scandal contributed that much to the shrinking road bike market and general dying state of the brick & mortar bicycle shop. There's far too many factors that contribute to shops closing and pro cyclists doping is not very high on the list, if on the list at all. Online sales/retailers, grey market pricing, poorly run and poorly staffed shops, major brands (trek, specialized, giant) monopolizing bike shops by force and taking customers from mom & pop independent shops, etc...
  • + 0
 @ObyGobyWanoby: You don't understand the culture behind road cycling and what a kick in the balls it was when lance was found out, thousands and thousands of once a month rich old guys who bought "lances' bike every ghosted from the sport road biking never recovered the cultural power they lost. LANCE WAS IN DODGEBALL! ROAD WAS "COOL" now its a lonely island andy samburg joke! The only reason all bike sales are done online is trek spec and giant it wasnt them who destroyed the industry... they are the only ones giving indie shops a chance! Its not the big guys ruining the industry its the retired overly rich baby boomer guys living out childhood dreams not in the business to make money but make friends.... that ruined our industry.
  • + 63
 I firmly believe that this is the result of some kind of supplement or over the counter medicine contamination. Hopefully it gets sorted out soon and both these athletes can get on on with the respective challenges that lay ahead.

People that are jumping to conclusions and taking a “holier than thou” attitude towards the test results need to pump the brakes and wait for due process.
  • + 89
 The conclusionists are on Avids probably.
  • + 5
 Totally agree @thomaswalker. Hang in there Jared.
  • + 50
 I think people want to believe, but this is cycling...history is not on our side.
  • + 29
 @Monkeyass: Certainly if they both use all the platitudes straight for the Cyclist's Guide to Explaining an AAF ("Are you drinking coffee? This substance is nothing", "How can I know all the things on the list??", "I would never do that with everything that I have to lose", "My reputation", "it's not EPO so don't worry about it") with a good side of Lance talking points ("Never tested positive").

The timing is obviously very unfortunate for Jared but that does not take away the fact that there is an AAF.
  • + 20
 Lance used the same defense for years. How is his cycling career going now? I hope they are innocent, but after listening to the defense from the guilty roadies for years, I will always be a skeptic.
  • + 12
 @JQualey: Pretty big leap in seriousness comparing Graves/Rude to Lance.
  • + 7
 No need to jump to conclusions - they returned AAFs. What information are you waiting for? Or are you just hoping for a good enough excuse to allow you to rationalize the PED use?
  • + 24
 Its the vegemite.. c'mon ! God only know whats in there...
  • - 17
flag Gregorysmithj1 (Nov 26, 2018 at 11:03) (Below Threshold)
 I believed lance too buddy! still ruined the road bike industry hopefully your favorite mtb racer doesnt run us!
  • + 0
 @Lagr1980: hahaha no WAY that shit makes you ride better
  • + 16
 According to a podcast I just listened to, Lindsay Vonn takes ZERO supplements because when she had testing done once out of curiosity on her "approved supplements" it was determined that there were trace amounts of banned or questionable substances. Turns out the approved batches and the regular batches (for schmuks like me) are made in the same place. Call me naive but I believe the two hardest working and arguably fittest guys in the EWS aren't playing around with banned substances.
  • + 1
 @philneuve: sounds right unfortunately pb doesn't have a delete button on comments so my keyboard rage will stand the tests of time.
  • + 2
 What the hell kind of supplement accidentally includes a performance enhancing drug?! Surely these drugs are expensive enough to produce/synthesise that they’re not accidentally put in your average sports drink??

Full disclosure: I take vitamin C cos my mum says it will stop me getting a cold...
  • + 9
 @Altron: Psuedoephedrine is the active ingredient in Sudafed (a nasal decongestant here in the states), but is a banned substance.

I dont see it as serious as some - probably because Rude/Graves are some of my favorite riders. But this expose is about otc stuff and its sounding like Rude and Graves were in the bushes getting blood transplants.
  • + 7
 @Altron: There are a TON of banned substances in all kinds of basic, over the counter drugs and supplements you would take for a variety of normal ailments. The annoying thing about being a pro-athlete these days is having to dance around all the things you would have taken without a second thought as a normal person with a cold or a muscle ache.

I'm totally not surprised that EWS athletes may have been a bit less cautious about this stuff until now since testing has been non-existent.

The only good thing to come out of this will likely be that everyone will step up their game from now on with regard to checking everything they put in their body.
  • + 4
 @colincolin: Took me a while to get that, nice.
  • + 2
 @Altron: well to answer your question, a lot do, and most of the time it’s not an accident. There are many supplements that can be very useful to those that need them, but contain things that are banned for sports completion. The problem is calling them all ‘drugs’, it makes them sound much worse than they are, like they are all some black market stuff. Many of the banne substances are perfectly legal by law, just not allowed in sports competition.
  • + 4
 @browntown40: Psuedoephedrine is a banned substance because it’s one of the main ingredients of methamphetamine. Sure it might not make your legs stronger but I’ve met some meth heads here in Ohio that if you threw em on a bike they’d probably out run some cars
  • + 0
 @Lagr1980: thats why Marmite wins everytime
  • + 1
 @Hardtailhooligan: f*cking brilliant!
  • + 2
 This "I firmly believe that this is the result of some kind of supplement or over the counter medicine contamination" is also a kind of conclusion. The problem when you have to defend yourself because you were tested positively using banned substances is that no one can be sure if you're honest or not. Yes, no one should jump to any conclusions. The only thing certain here is that these two athletes got busted, either they intentionally used these substances or not. Also, we should remind ourselves that these two athletes are surrounded by professionals, like nutritionists, personal trainers and so on. There's so much science around elite athletes nowadays that it doesn't make much sense if the athlete was not aware of the substances he/she was putting in their system - don't forget that these two substances are endurance boosters. It's complicated. No one should be a hater but at the same time if someone gets caught he/she should face the consequences. Also, let us remind ourselves the hate on every road cyclist that is caught using banned substances. We are ALL certain that he intentionally used the substance and that he should be banned and so on. I am not jumping to any conclusions but I am not falling that easy also.
  • + 4
 @Altron: As mentioned above, there are a shit-ton of banned substances out there! It's not just the big stuff like steroids and EPO, there are hundreds of substances that have a small but still beneficial effect on the body, some barely noticeable but enough to be banned.

The second thing is, the vast majority of banned substances weren't designed for sports. They are drugs and hormones that were designed for legitimate health and medical reasons and were co-opted by dirty athletes and sports doctors. Therefore, there are good reasons for many of these chemicals to exist in perfectly normal over the counter or prescription products, and an athlete needs to be aware of them. Similarly, some supplements or ingredients of supplements from less conscientous companies may be made in the same facilities as products that contain banned substances. You could then get tiny amounts of cross contamination that might still show up in a test. Same way you can buy a supermarket cheese and tomato pizza that says it may contain peanuts. Some powder somewhere has been dropped through the same funnel that once had a different powder dropped through it.

Third, the exact same branded, trademarked and packaged substance can have different ingredients in different countries because of different testing and certifying requirements. Alain Baxter had a skiing bronze medal stripped from the Salt Lake Winter Olympics because he used an asthma inhaler he bought in a US drugstore. it was the same inhaler with the same name in the same package from the same brand that he always used in Europe, but the US version had a banned drug in it as standard and he never thought to check. C'est la vie.
  • + 51
 I read these interviews both trying to believe in their innocence and suppressing the feeling that this is following the same script seen in all other sporting positives. Jared's rationalization at the end regarding coffee and statement that "...everyone's guilty of taking a stimulant of some degree to try and energize themselves for a race..." doesn't give me a good feeling.

I truly wish him a full recovery from cancer and hope this analytical finding can be cleanly resolved.
  • + 47
 "it's fair to say about myself that I'm at the twilight of my career, so to speak, so now would not be the time to start doing anything like that"

Sorry to say, but the twilight of an athlete's career -that one is attempting to stretch in duration- is exactly when performance enhancers become interesting.
  • - 1
 What isn't fair is criticizing someone for defending themselves when we don't have a definitive answer. A positive test deserves scrutiny from everyone, but there are so many story's of athletes getting popped for tainted supplements I wouldn't jump to a conclusion so fast.
  • + 3
 Exactly. As the body ages you look for ways to make up the gap. Could be a new combination of supplements or even a banned substance. For me it's even more caffeine before an early morning ride. Not saying that's a good thing.
  • + 4
 @bcmrider: he’s not jumping to a conclusion, he’s simply saying that he doesn’t fully buy into one particular thing graves said. And to be honest he has a good point. In many other sports you do see the older player get caught, who is trying to keep up with the younger guys.
  • + 1
 Cyclists Sammy Sanchez and Tom Danielson.
Anderson Silva (MMA).
Ryan Crowley (AFL).
...

Quite a few long and storied careers ended by positive doping tests.
  • + 46
 It was holding together right up until the "if you've had coffee you've done the same." There was no reason for him to do it but he went from "I didn't do it" to "I didn't do anything anyone else wouldn't do."
  • + 11
 Kids will flat out lie, adults tend to rationalize their misjudgments to make it seem less important or even normal.
  • + 11
 Agreed, that was a big mistake in my mind. Everything sounded good up until that point. They should've stuck with the "lets wait and see" angle. Any attempt at justification immediately implies guilt.
  • + 39
 I'd like to believe them, really I would, but...the story is following a script that we have heard too many times before. My heart does go out to Jared for the battle with the brain tumor- I lost a friend to that 4 years ago.
  • + 40
 Cyber Monday...Ordering my Higenamine and Oxilofrine for a faster me in 2019.
  • + 3
 Yea, I really want to fucking crush Mondays
  • + 33
 Why not get the B sample tested?
  • + 10
 He needs to sack his lawyer , seems odd not to want b sample tested
  • + 6
 Agreed, curious as to why they declined to test the B sample?
  • + 7
 That is exactly what I thought, unless they were knowingly taking the substances and just didnt want to bother with the run through, like so many of the road cyclists have gone through.
  • + 1
 Exactly what i thought, if not to just delay so an excuse can be made.
  • + 16
 That makes it seem more suspicious. If you really believe that you took it by accident, wouldn't you want to prove that it may have been a false positive? Unless you know that the B sample will fail too.
  • + 8
 Probably just because claiming/hoping it's a false positive in order to cast doubt on the testing process itself is a lot less credible than responding openly with "ok so I have tested positive for banned substances and I'm actually not sure how those substances came to be in my system yet". Realistically only Jared and Richie know for sure whether they were deliberately doping or somehow just negligent.
  • + 10
 Because he isn’t disputing that the substance was in his blood, is he? He’s disputing that he knowingly took it and wanted to achieve a performance enhancement.

I hope I have that right - I don’t want to be one of the Saturday night
  • + 3
 ... folk Jared was talking about in his interview.

(Pressed send too early - arm pump made my fingers stiff...)
  • + 1
 Having the B sample tested takes more time both for the actual testing and the subsequent ruling. Regardless of how this happened, it sounds like they are looking at suspension of some sort. The quicker they start that suspension, the quicker they can get back to racing. Not having the B sample tested is the smart bet.
  • + 2
 Because they know what they drank or eat but they don't want the world know they know you know!
  • + 6
 @bblaney372: I hate to say it, but the only rational answer is that they knew it was in their system: why else?
  • + 6
 @Zanethefargonian: Agreed. A second postive only brands the rider with the label of drug-cheat in the media a second time, with even less room for injecting doubt into the testing process and more time to start a message of innocence. Likely a calculated PR strategy. No one is playing for peanuts at this level.
  • + 5
 The only thing I can think of is that they're worried the B sample would show higher amounts of the substances, but which would mean they were purposely using the drugs. I honestly have no idea... if it were me and I thought it was just a fluke, then I would say hell yeah I want to B sample tested. It really doesn't make sense to me.
  • + 2
 @Distelb: that was the only odd thing in the interview.

In addition to how it ends: "The situation that I'm in at the moment, a lot of people could be in if they had been tested at that race." I read this as "I am not the only one with Richi". Or am I miss reading it?
  • + 3
 @Zanethefargonian: Doping suspensions are usually backdated to start from the date of the initial test. In the case of a 'specified' substance you can race while the B sample is tested and while you're attempting to explain the result. If that took 6 months for example, and then you get handed a 24 month ban, you would forfeit your results and prize money for the 6 months you raced and then face an additional 18 months on the sidelines - then you get back to racing at the same time you would have done if you'd been given the 24 month ban immediately.

Essentially, you shouldn't lose anything by trying to defend yourself.
  • + 24
 " Was this the first time you've been tested while competing in the Enduro World Series?

Graves: Yes, this is the first time I've been tested."


WTF?! he has been racing every year in EWS and its the first time he got tested (same for richie rude) ?

How unserious has the testing been in EWS ?
  • + 8
 EWS themselfs never did any testing AFAIK, just the country's cycling federation the races were held when they were thought it would be necessary.
  • + 17
 They both have the same lawyer. And they won't discuss the supplements its got to be ryno power but the list of athletes using that stuff is long.
  • + 23
 There's a big huge Ryno lawsuit waiting to happen if they find banned substances in it. Energy drinks is a shady business, almost by definition. They're giving a whole generation of kids diabetes, and who else knows what, and don't give a flying F about that, so why would they care about putting a few banned supplements in their drinks?

Just no to Monster, Rockstar, Ryno, Redbull, all that crap. I just get frustrated when I see some kid, who's obviously going to struggle with his weight for life, pounding a 16oz sugary, amped up drink. The kids are just falling for the marketing.
  • + 8
 I wonder why it hasn't shown with other Ryno athletes in the DH circus... so maybe not the supplements? We also don't know how much has been found. I'd rather for the facts instead of rumours...
  • + 4
 @JustinVP: The kids can counter the sugar with clenbuterol when there older.. Its all good.
  • + 2
 @JustinVP: they’re better off with a bucket of coke
  • + 6
 I think the issue is more they have been using other brand supplements and don't want to hurt their sponsor here, just because Ryno sponsor them doesn't mean that's all they've used. I push myself hard when riding and eat clean, Im not at an elite level but maybe thats the point, there's no accidental way I could have ever ingested any of these ingredients, the whole top level of any sport is rife with fringe performance enhancers, chemical replacements and suspect ingredients. Really its just screwing over anyone trying to rise through the ranks to get to the top, as you can't do it without being a junkie nowadays
  • + 7
 @ctd07: Yeah probably not Ryno based on that picture on the Vital thread. Still I stand 100% behind my rant against the energy drinks and other supplements. RedBull is basically a legal PED. The fact that we let these guys be the biggest sponsor of MTB is crazy. We've all used caffeine as a PED, including me, so I guess I'm a total hypocrite.
  • + 1
 @JustinVP: sorry, but than you would have to ban coffee too because there is way more caffeine in it than in any energy drink... and i don‘t even like both!
  • + 2
 @JustinVP: It's too bad that's where all the support for the sport comes from. At least it's not Marlboro.
  • + 1
 @matttauszik: Setting the bar extra low
  • + 15
 My take on this is that the boys didn’t take enough care in what the ingredients were of the supplements they were taking. They’re admitting that.

Jared hasn’t even denied accidentally taking the substance and my interpretation is that the banned substance may have even been listed on the supplement packaging itself. They just didn’t realise as they made an assumption that if it was good x years ago when they started using it, then it’s still good.

It’s a f*ck- up, no doubt. But it certainly appears that they’ll be found “guilty”.

Sucks, Jared has more important shit to be dealing with right now.
  • + 19
 One of the two substances was not on the WADA banned list until 2017, and is still prevent in quite a few suplaments. To say everyone is up to date with the growing and ever changing list is a stretch, but in the end not viewed by the federations as an excuse.
  • + 3
 @davetrumpore: If you ever end up in court and plead ignorance; it doesn't work.
  • + 7
 @davetrumpore: They were tested in 2018 - They are professionals, it's their obligation to know what they're doing, ignorance isn't an excuse. If they aren't capable of keeping up with the information they need to perform their job legally, then don't take the substance.

There are no excuses. Especially if it turns out that the supplement LISTS the banned substance right on the label.

In my field of work, I'm expected to understand the law in order to perform my duties, if I don't, I'm not in compliance. It's not that it cant, or doesn't happen, but if it does, I'm liable. Simple.

I'm not saying I don't feel bad for the guys, it's obvious a mistake, but it's happened, and they have to own that. Pleading ignorance is OK, but it's been pretty clearly stated by the authorities that it's not an excuse.
  • + 1
 @rippersub: and if the banned substance is in the contents, but not on the label as a listed ingredient? Which happens more frequently than you thing because of poor regulation?

Still their fault?
  • + 4
 @FLATLlNE: I think you're muddying fault with responsibility.
  • + 1
 @drunknride: I'm just saying maybe the took care, and were hoodwinked.

I think until it's proven otherwise, they deserve the benefit of the doubt at least.
  • + 3
 @FLATLlNE: Doesn't matter. Like I said, if they unknowingly consumed/used a banned substance they still deserve/should expect the punishment that comes with testing positive for that substance. It's pretty hard to prove anyone cheats on purpose without multiple violations or someone straight up catching them administering the banned substance.
Whether it's fair is a whole other topic.
  • + 1
 If the team were smart, they would test their atheletes themselves before official testing caught them.
  • - 1
 @drunknride: or maybe the law ( list of banded substances ) wasn't clear?
  • + 6
 @FLATLlNE: either way, his quote;

"so I just never thought to update myself with any information if anything was added to the banned list because every test I've ever had was clean. "

Says to me that even if it WAS on the listed ingredients, he wouldn't have known it was illegal anyway, because neither of these guys bothered to check. It might not have been Ryno, it could have been any off the shelf supplement, because they never checked the legality, they'll never really know what they ingested.
  • + 4
 @FLATLlNE: And yes, still their responsibility to know what they're taking, so yes, their fault.
  • + 4
 @Beez177: Both of those substances were on the banned list, how is that unclear?
  • + 0
 @rippersub: I think most people are naive enough to think labeled are forthcoming and correct. And often, these supliments don't disclose all ingredients. Otherwise, if you take them, it's in good faith that content are as listed...unless you have a lab, or some sort of mass spectrometer bidding up your ass. I know I don't.

Perhaps it was a miss, and it was on the label - if so, yeah, their fault - no debate from me.

If however, it was not on the label, I can't agree with you - though you are entitled to you opinion and I can see your point. I think the supplement company is at fault, and I'm sure they will pay in the end.

Not a mistake either will make again, regardless.
  • + 2
 @FLATLlNE: Thanks for actually being reasonable in your reply, I can also see both sides to this.

Unfortunately, I agree with you, it's very challenging for a single person to test everything scientifically before consuming, so the options they're left with are don't consume it, or hope for the best.

I dont think anyone can hold Ryno accountable (legally) although I'm sure this will hurt sales, ultimately it'll cost Graves and Rude the most, because I think they're screwed either way. We'll see.
  • + 2
 @rippersub: Of course! We're not animals Wink

I guess we'll see once it all comes out in the wash.
  • - 3
 @rippersub: you read the impossibly long ingredients list on everything you put in your body judge, jury and executioner?
  • + 3
 @Beez177: pretty much all competitive elite Olympic level athletes do. It's that or risk...this!
  • + 2
 @Beez177: No, because there are little to no legal ramifications for my actions in this regard.
Like I said in my prior post, if you took the example of my responsibilities as a worker however, yes, I make myself fully aware of the laws I'm obligated to follow before performing the work.
  • - 4
flag Beez177 (Nov 26, 2018 at 17:55) (Below Threshold)
 @FLATLlNE: what if the "ingredient" list isn't accurate? What if your coach says, this is legal dont worry? etc. They're other scenarios ya know!
  • - 4
flag Beez177 (Nov 26, 2018 at 17:58) (Below Threshold)
 @rippersub: ...and what if your intentions were legit but someone/thing was the cause of "your" mistake? Look if these guys were cheating, then take the appropriate actions. Lets wait until all the facts are exposed, is all I'm saying.
  • - 3
 @rippersub: I really hope you are as hard on yourself when you make legal mistakes as you think we all should be on some athletes.
  • + 5
 @mfoga: All im saying is that its OK to screw up, but you need to take responsibility for that instead of shifting the blame elsewhere.

@Beez177 I work in aviation, f*ck ups rarely offer a second chance.
  • - 2
 @rippersub: I guess I am not reading shifting blame by them. They are saying we don’t know how it happened. That’s a very reasonable response if you don’t know how it happened. Remember they both have trials still. You don’t go out and start saying yep I did it when you have a upcoming trial.

So you have never fought a speeding ticket, tried to talk you way out of one? You get pulled over say yeah I was speeding by so many kph give me the ticket? My point is people in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones.
  • + 2
 @mfoga: Totally agree, however yes, honestly, I'll usually tell the truth, if I know I'm speeding I'll admit it. I've fought one once, and it was because I didn't believe thats what I was doing, and I won. But we're getting sidetracked.

Give them a chance in the trial, let them have their say, I'm hoping they are given some leniency too as I have a lot of respect for both of them. I'm just playing devil's advocate as the guys sitting across the bench from them in court, I think it'll be a hard one to win.

We shall see.
  • + 1
 @Beez177: which is exactly what I have said above. But still, I think you should read the label as your first step!
  • + 3
 @FLATLlNE:

I just wonder why the hell a company would put such a specific and costly substance into a supplement without labeling it? So everyone who's on it can reap the benefits but claim ignorance? Horsesh*t. Especially as they'd get the shit sued out of them for putting things like that in without labeling it. It's not just a pinch of seaweed.
  • + 5
 @Beez177:
@FLATLlNE
@rippersub
@mfoga

These guys are amongst the best mtn bikers on the planet. They obsess, they train, they're insanely talented and dedicated. I've enjoyed following their careers but don't base my theological religion of riding around them.

I find it hard to believe that athletes as calculated as these don't know what the f they're putting into their bodies.

They have their program down to a science. According to the bikerweb keyboard supersleuths, Jared was already taking one of these substances before it was banned. So it's no stretch to believe that an athlete in this position who feels that they receive a benefit from said supplement, would continue to use it if they weren't being tested, even if it just became banned. "I've used it so far, so why would I stop if I'm not being tested and I feel a noticeable benefit?" Maybe tweak the dosage level some.

It's hard to change your program and loose a mental and physical benefit if your're a consistent contender for the top 10 and i think it's fair to say that these two are amongst the most competitive athletes in their field and aren't happy without a top result.

All just speculation though. I like both these athletes and as only a very small cross section of the EWS field was tested, this could be the beginning of 100 other athletes quickly changing their "supplement" mix. They probably already have. So let's be realistic about how many of the field could be taking a banned substance.

This is the beginning of change. They'll get suspensions. Many riders will clean up what needs to be cleaned up. More testing across the field going forward and cleaner racing going forward. It's a good thing.

And I hope we can see Jared finish his career on form for a couple more seasons after beating cancer and after his suspension.
  • + 3
 @WasatchEnduro: I suspect they want customers to have gains, but not see some potentially contentious ingredients that boarder on being drugs. It's optics. These supliments are expensive, people want results, and don't want to put potentially harmful substances in their body. So some just don't make the label.

I lived with a guy who had his trip paid for to the 2012 Olympics and ended up with a 3 year sanction for this exact reason. You call BS all you want - I've seen it first hand - it's not pretty.
  • + 3
 @WasatchEnduro: Who knows, you might be right on the money. I can't tell you that you are wrong.

I just like to give people the benefit of the doubt, when there is reason to have a doubt.
  • + 1
 @FLATLlNE:

That's a horrible situation. One other thought i had is that these supplements are expensive, so I imagine the margins are large enough that the manufacturers can add some "specified substances" as the results will keep athletes buying it. They'd have to be dead on with the dosage levels though to not fk people up and be run out of business by a class action suit.

Would love some PB reporting on diets and supplements that our EWS and DH (or even XC) athletes live by. Just to get an idea of what sort of nutrition/supplements it takes to keep someone firing on all cylinders for a season of competition. I'm not sure how anxious athletes are to share their secret sauce though.
  • + 2
 @WasatchEnduro: They obviously don't know "what the f they're putting into their bodies", Jared categorically says it himself in the interview above

"so I just never thought to update myself with any information if anything was added to the banned list because every test I've ever had was clean."

Q; "In a race or a training situation, is it ever something that crosses your mind that you wouldn't drink from someone's bottle"
A; "As far as at a race goes, it's kind of something that's been encouraged amongst riders; so everyone helps each other out, which is an awesome part of the sport."

that's been supported by a positive test result, how can you question that?
  • + 2
 @RollinFoSho: "If the team were smart, they would test their atheletes themselves before official testing caught them."

Bad idea! First, testing is expensive. It's just not something many teams can budget for. Second, who wants the liability? Imagine if a team found out a rider had a substance in his system, pulled him from racing until it was gone and then put him back in the next race. Imagine if someone leaked the info that this had happened? Now you're the team that covers up drugs cheats. Catastrophe. The team would need to either instantly fire the rider, refer them to the UCI, or both. And then what have you really gained for all the money you just spent on the testing? The rider is still gone, except this way they're probably thinking of sueing you with the claim that you f*cked up your unstandardized test.
  • + 2
 BS, if they caught a rider and had to pull them for a bit, I’m sure they could give find a reason... If by some miracle it got out, then people would understand that they had to do it. If they got caught by official testing, suffer the consequences.
  • + 1
 @rippersub:

But subripper, Jared hasn't been tested in years, right? Until France this year. Are his current supplements the same he was taking years ago before EWS when he was tested regularly?

Also, we don't know the science behind the tests. What do these amounts of these substances even mean? Is the water bottle theory sound? Based on the level on specific substances found, would it have HAD to have come from the France race? Was Jared drinking from 20 other people's water bottles during this 2-day race? I doubt it, so could he narrow it down to another athlete's mix? Could "unintentional water bottle doping" from a month and a half earlier (Colombia) have still affected the test?

At any rate, yes, you quoted what Jared said. Which was carefully crafted between him and his lawyer.

It's not a witch hunt. I like both these guys. It's just hard to believe that both had no idea these substances were in their bodies and banned. That's just way too damn convenient. We'll see how this plays out. It's good to hear everyone's opinions but ultimately, we're all just talking out our asses because we don't know, just trying to make sense of what's been shared so far.
  • - 1
 @WasatchEnduro: This is such a ridiculous point for ppl to make. Unless they're getting sketchy supplements from Asia, there is zero chance there's unlabeled ingredients in a commercial product. There would be criminal liability. Here in the States, there's the FDA. It's probably more closely reg. in the EU.
  • + 4
 @matttauszik: if only that simple... The FDA does not regulate supplaments, their ingredients, it their claimed befefits. Other than putting universally banned things in there (heroin, cocaine, etc) it's a shit show.

Higenamine is typically described as a ‘natural’ extract or by-product and also goes by the names: Demethylcoclaurine, Norcoclaurine
Tinospora crispa, etc. While oxifrilone can be listed multiple ways as well, one of which is m-synephrine, not to be confused with p-synephrine (legal now but on the "watch list")

It's easy to sit back and point fingers at others for wrongdoing, but this stuff is anything by that black and white. Especially when factoring in an accident v. With intent.
  • + 1
 If the FDA doesn’t regulate supplements, then don’t take the risk of taking them. Pretty simple if you ask me.
  • + 0
 What’s wrong with just good ol food and water?

Also, maybe the UCI should provide off-season testing to give the riders a chance to get checked out before racing season testing.
  • + 1
 @RollinFoSho: Food and water is great. But after a workout out need nutrition quickly to make maximum gains and faster recovery. Ideally within a half hour of the end of your workout.

You could eat a meal, but it could take hours to absorb the nutrients from your food, and as far as I know your blood is working then more to digest, and less for recovery.

With an isolated protein supplement, you are investing nutrients that are already broken down and ready to be absorbed. Your blood and body is now working purely on recovery, and not on digestion. Better gains, faster recovery.
  • + 1
 @FLATLlNE: Sure, but you could still whip up something yourself, better for you too. Doesn’t have to come in a package with fancy marketing. Another issue with supplements is that your body adapts to this type of absorption, then normal foods and vitamins don’t absorb normally.
  • + 1
 @RollinFoSho: well if it were me, yeah, i'd also be eating proper meals. It's not a meal substitute.

I'd be interested in seeing some real studies about your body adapting and not absorbing nutrients properly as a result of moderate use of a protein supplement. I've never heard of this.
  • + 11
 Acting extremely naive and defensive for a professional athlete, who’s career depends on knowing the rules of the sport and what is put into his body. “All you guys that have had coffee are the same” - but caffeine is not a banned ingredient?
  • + 14
 He kind of admits some wrong-doing in the last answer...
  • + 1
 Exactly
  • + 7
 This is the last thing Jared needs right now as he’s battling with his recovery, I’m sure he’s innocent and will prove it .
  • + 4
 Assuming that they are innocent i.e ingested the stuff by accident or unknowingly, I wonder what this case could reveal about Ryno as it unfolds? As others have said, it does seem strange that for 3 months or more they have not arrived at a point where they can say that the supplement was to blame, unless they are preparing their defence and do not want to reveal anything at this point? Or perhaps they have already presented and are now awaiting the outcome?
  • + 3
 Pre work out powders. Good luck finding one that isn't loaded with caffeine! The list of ingredients is so small you need a magnifying glass. I don't want stimulants in my pre workout drink. They add stimulants so you think your being energized. I'm not surprised that legal amphetamines would be added as well.
  • + 6
 Don't understand: if you are sure you are clean then why not get a B sample?
  • + 3
 Graves doesn't need this right now. Dude still has HUGE amounts of cancer treatment in front of him, and he needs to stay as positive and stress-free as he can during this time. Hopefully this time next year we're all reading about Jared training and gearing up for a return in '20, and 2018-'19 just ends up as a speed-bump in his memory
  • + 2
 what? question 7. 2nd paragraph..graves is speaking vaguely about other riders helping each other out...? help everyone as best as you can..? looking after everyone else...? I'm really confused about this description in response to the question.
anybody have some clarity on this?
  • + 2
 I hope they're innocent and it is a case of contaminated supplements or a mistake. Especially as Graves is one of my favourite riders. But you've got to be cynical when people start getting caught in a sporting series which has previously had almost no testing.
  • + 5
 Now mtb is gonna be full of people using the old tainted supplements excuse
  • + 2
 First off, kick that cancer's A$$, Jared! Second, we need to take Jared and Richie at their word. Third, supplements aren't governed by the same rules and quality controls that pharmaceuticals are, and the factories that produce them likely produce products for multiple brands with different formulas, and mistakes can be made that aren't necessarily life-threatening. Just saying.
  • + 4
 Just weird that both yeti guys tested for same stuff. I'd be asking their trainer what's up not them. The trainer is who likely prescribes them their drinks and supplements.
  • + 2
 Agreed. For me that makes it seem more likely that it was accidental ingestion. They consumed the same product that some others did not. There are hundreds of banned substances and for two guys to test positive for the same two can also be seen as more evidence they consumed the wrong beverage.
  • + 1
 Jared rides for Specialized. They used to be teammates on Yeti.
  • + 1
 @Gregorysmithj1: Man, relax. Lance Armstrong is not Jared Graves. As Graves said, he has been biking in many disciplines and never been tested positive for anything. Why start now. It's illogical. Something entered his system without his knowledge and he certainly didn't consume it intentionally.
  • + 2
 That's literally exactly what Lance always said.
  • + 1
 Oh well.... Sh*t happens The rest of the community will still enjoy riding their bikes with or without PED's and whether or not they were taken intentionally we may never know, but what they've gone through with this publicly broadcast process is probably enough punishment.

Let's just hope Jared gets back to full health and Richie continues to have fun on his bike, because while results are important to pro's, enjoying life and riding bikes is more important.
  • + 1
 I doubt 1 in 100 posters above could list what they have eaten today. I only eat plants, never processed anything yet the fruits and vegetables i eat have been treated, coated and washed etc, leaving a myriad of traces of who knows what on my food. Having friends who have competed at world elite levels in mutlipulpe sports, I know the minefield that is nutrition when you are training 6 hours a day 6 days a week. Judgements based on opinion are by nature flawed. Wait for the facts. Met both guys, neither strike me as likely to put their reputation or lifestyles at risk for such insignificant gains. It's Enduro, not road racing.
  • + 1
 It's interesting that in Jared's interview he says he flat out hasn't intentionally ingested the substances then, at the end, says basically 'well, these substances aren't that bad compared to what else is out there'. And then, even more weird, compares the two banned substances to coffee. As though Higenamine and Oxilofrine are about the same as caffeine because they happen to be stimulants. Come on. If you're innocent, don't try to minimize this just because they weren't caught taking some of the more damning substances that, say, Lance Armstrong took. Was his attorney still there when he was making this final statement?
  • + 1
 I like his remark about cafeine.... Thinking: a sport which is often sponsored by RedBull, Monster and so on comes after to reconsider the serious of such athletes because of `several traces of 2 banned substances`. Come on... Is that completly serious?!
  • + 5
 Coffee. This coffee is making me really jumpy
  • + 1
 Wa wa wa, remember that guy that had cancer and raised millions for it, only to be caught after how many titles won. I just assume pro athletes are cheaters, since drug testing isn't done enough.
  • + 2
 No doubt. Obviously it's an awful thing to deal with but if the same exact circumstances and interviews were applied to roadies or American football players you'd be hard pressed to find ppl on this site defending it.
  • + 3
 So it's commen for DH/EN athletes to take pre workout boosters? *flies off to the bodybuilding store*
  • + 10
 We call it Stravadosing around here. People are so worried about their progression, or just not having a truly "off" day they'll spend crazy money on all kinds of junk, and then spout off about how "natural" all the ingredients are. Really frickin sad. At 43, I just couldn't care less... I have far fewer "on it" days than I used to, and that's fine! The good days (or even just over DH run!) feel that much better.
  • + 4
 @yzedf:

Agreed.

STFU and get out and ride your bike and be thankful that you were able to enjoy a ride today.
  • + 3
 I'm surprised that Jared responds to this topic at all. As I see it he has by far more serious issues to deal with.
  • + 2
 "You know, everyone is drinking coffee all the time" not everyone. i cant stand coffee or tea. met Jared in cwmcarn, really nice guy. heal well Jared
  • + 3
 shoulda just pounded an old style pilsner BEER then crushed the can and pinned it. seems to work for me.
  • + 2
 What is the difference between "accidentally" using a banned substance, and accidentally cutting the course, or accidentally using a motor?
  • + 2
 Personally I believe him BUT this; "Graves' lawyer, Matt Kaiser: We can't answer that right now, unfortunately." doesn't help.
  • + 0
 Okay, who here knows what the f**k they are talking about or has any real factual, verifiable knowledge of the specific matter at hand? Please raise your hand. Thank you. You may exit the forum so the rest of us nincompoops can pontificate and speculate endlessly into oblivion.
  • + 3
 JS7 says who gives a FCUUUUUUCCCK!!!!
  • + 2
 Seems like Ryno Power should be the ones most nervous right now.
  • + 9
 Totally agree.

That said, who's to say they even use Ryno at home, honestly. No different than any pro riding a blacked out Maxxis tire. And every sensible RedBull athlete who takes a daily selfie with a cracked can - there is no way half those people out that junk in their body. That said, maybe Ryno makes good stuff - I have no idea - but maybe these guys trainers have them on something completely different.

I used to live with Nick Roberts. He was literally the strongest guy in Canada for several years and has an invite to the Olympics in 2012. He was clean, his lifestyle was extremely clean. I would almost bet my life that he wouldn't dope even to this day. We would actually have dope testers randomly knock on our home door every once in a while to take a urine sample. His day job was therapy and he was helping a girl as a favor and her boyfriend flowed him some fairly mundane supliments - protein I believe. He check the contents/ingredients - checked out fine. He failed his subsequent drug test, was banned from lifting for 3 years and didn't make it to London in 2012. Was a heart breaker for everyone who know him.

So yeah...it definitely happens. And these supliment company registration isn't up to snuff. They need to be held accountable. If it is indeed Ryno, or any other, I hope the two boys roast them in court and never have to work another day in their lives.
  • + 5
 @FLATLlNE: Do Ryno send their stuff to Informed Sport to be tested before sale, the same as the big guns like High5 and SiS?
  • + 5
 but just because these riders are sponsored by Ryno that doesn't mean this is the only supplement they could be ingesting...it's not like you are limited to only using products that you are sponsored by. Everyone is calling out Ryno but it sounds like lots of DH racers are also sponsored by them and are not testing positive. If a rider isn't sponsored by Advil are they not allowed to take it? No riders are sponsored by Ritalin but I bet people still take it pre-race.
  • + 1
 Damn it, not registration... regulation. Supliment regulation is not up to snuff.
  • + 2
 @tincancharlie: Totally valid. Either way, it's not fun PR though for Ryno
  • + 1
 legalize it
  • + 1
 STAY STRONG JARED!
  • - 2
 The guy sounds legit, quite frankly I believe him. Like
Many Others have said I’m more bothered about him beating the tumour than a frankly questionable positive test.
  • - 1
 Would it be too difficult to just leave Jared alone until he wants to compete in 2020?
  • - 1
 Your guys' Just no.
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