When Jared Graves and Richie Rude confirmed to us last year that
they'd tested positive for the banned substances higenamine and oxilofrine, they suggested it came from a supplement—but were advised by their lawyer not to specify which supplement until the case was resolved. Many readers pointed the finger at Jared & Richie's supplement sponsor, Ryno Power, who denied any responsibility.
After our initial story broke, we continued digging. An ingredient called synephrine was removed from Ryno Power's Gladiator pre-workout a few years ago, which is noteworthy because synephrine is
related to methylsynephrine, AKA oxilofrine. Could synephrine somehow cause a positive test for methylsynephrine? Several experts have suggested to us that's not possible: they're distinctly different compounds, act in different ways, and there's no documentation to suggest that the synephrine can become methylated within your body.
What about simple human error though? With such similar names, could the ingredients have been mislabeled or substituted? We reached out to Ryno Power Founder Ryan McCarthy for some answers.
Note: Ryno Power is an advertiser with Pinkbike. The interview has been edited for clarity.
Hey Ryan, the riders were advised not to say where they think the substances came from publicly, so let's cut to the chase on that. Have either of the banned substances, oxilofrine or higenamine, ever been ingredients in any of your products?
McCarthy: No. Neither of those have ever been anywhere near any Ryno Power product.
If not from your products, do you know what caused Jared and Richie to have banned substances in their systems?
McCarthy: So from what I understand, there's an over-the-counter drink that they bought and it listed it as an ingredient in that drink. And they had been known to drink that drink from time to time.
Is the drink Alphamine?
McCarthy: Yes, I thought that was the name of the drink that Jared was taking, the one with the pictures of him in Vital.
Ed. Note: Ryan is referring to photos that came out from the 2016 Vital MTB photo set in Chile with Graves taking a supplement called Alphamine, from another supplement brand. It did contain one of the banned substances, higenamine. There's nothing that suggests Richie was also using Alphamine.
Higenamine wasn't specifically named as a banned substance by WADA at the time, but it is a beta 2 agonist, which were (and still are) banned. If Jared continued to use it knowingly or unknowingly then that could have been the source of one of the banned substances.
Does Ryno Power have agreements with athletes that they don't take other brands' supplements? Is that a concern for you?
McCarthy: Our agreements with the athletes tend to vary, for instance, when we have an athlete like Jared Graves or Richie Rude and they have an existing energy drink sponsor. We have a ton of respect for Red Bull, we have a ton of respect for Monster, and a ton of respect for Rockstar. These are the companies that are helping these guys buy new homes and buy new cars and allowing their wives to stay home with the kids. So when that comes around, we definitely yield to the energy drink sponsors. We realize they're paying the big salaries and that these guys are gonna have to drink that from time to time, you're gonna have to hold that up on the podium.
We do ask our athletes not use other products, specifically to make sure that the message is clear, that in order to perform at the level that they perform at they use Ryno Power alongside their energy drinks to succeed. If they use something else, we don't have anything where we can tell them no or you're not allowed to use it. We leave it up to them, but when things like this happen it's certainly frustrating for us. I hope that our athletes will remember that if they can exclusively use Ryno Power, then they know 100%, without question, that they will pass every single drug test they're given.
I look at Aaron Gwin and I look at Amaury Pierron and I look at Myriam Nicole. We've literally won almost every single downhill championship in the last five to six years. Imagine how many times those guys have been tested. Those guys are taking exclusively Ryno Power products. They weren't taking anything else, and they've passed every single test.
Some of the riders that Ryno Power sponsors.
Furthermore, you have the motocross athletes that we sponsor, like Cooper Webb, and Aaron Plessinger, and Colt Nichols, and Justin Cooper, and Adam Cianciarulo, and Austin Forkner, and all of these guys who are passing drug test after drug test after drug test while using Ryno Power on a daily basis. And then Richie Rude and Jared Graves [tested positive] and people somehow think that Ryno Power made a mistake. We don't make mistakes.
Let's jump back a little bit, have you guys done any internal testing or reviews since our original report was published?
McCarthy: We followed up with our manufacturing facility and we reminded them of the magnitude of their responsibility to follow all of the guidelines that they are required to follow, not just from Ryno Power, but from the NSF. Ryno Power chose early on, 2012, that we were only going to use NSF-certified GMP facilities, and what that means is that the biggest, scariest sanctioning body, the NSF, you pay them to come into your manufacturing facility two times a year, and turn your whole world upside-down, go through every single paper, and every single file, and make sure every single batch that you made followed all the rules of the NSF. That includes the identity testing, the micros testing, the label testing, all of these things along the way, which are the way I can sit here with you right now and guarantee unequivocally that there's no way banned substances have ever been in Ryno Power.
Have any cycling officials approached Ryno Power about testing your product in relation to the case?
McCarthy: No, none have approached us.
The original formulation of your Gladiator pre-workout listed synephrine, which is related to the methylsynephrine that they tested positive for. Is it possible that somebody got mixed up along the line and used this synthetic, methylated version of synephrine instead of the citrus-derived version, and the label was just wrong?
McCarthy: No, that's literally impossible. We do what's called identity testing on every single ingredient, so even on that very original batch when we first released Gladiator, all the ingredients get shipped to the facility, and then they come with their own certificate of analysis saying it is what it is, it's this color, it's this odor, blah, blah, blah. Then they send it out to a reputable third party and they do a couple different tests on it. They do identity testing to make sure that is what they say it is. They do micros, which is like testing it for salmonella or E. coli.
All raw materials are coded, so they're followed all the way down the line, they know what is what. Then they go back and do micro and identity markers to confirm the input. So to accidentally use one version instead of another is impossible.
What lead to the decision to remove synephrine?
At the time we launched Gladiator, synephrine was not even on the watch list by WADA. Immediately upon seeing it on the watch list, the very next batch, and we produce this stuff almost every three months, it was taken out.
Jared and Richie weren't Ryno Power athletes when we did the first batch. They came on probably around batch number 11 or 12, so we were already ten batches past the batch that ever had synephrine in it. And as far as I understand, there's no possible way for synephrine to become methylsynephrine, but I have to refer to my formulator to answer that scientifically.
So the only way anyone could have gotten the version of Gladiator with synephrine in the last year or two would have been buying old stock from a retailer. Would they be buying product off the shelf anyway?
McCarthy: No. These guys get whatever they need from us.
Gladiator was the supplement that Jared was taking?
McCarthy: Well, Jared uses our protein, our hydration fuel, he uses our electrolyte pills, our recovery pills, and our Gladiator Pre-Workout.
Without doing the full marketing presentation, what would I notice if I took Gladiator before I dropped in?
McCarthy: So one that people would typically want to question would be the pre-workout, but I'll get to that one last. The hydration fuel and the protein, the recovery capsules, the electrolyte capsules, all of those products are almost 100% about the nutrition aspect, getting the right carbs, the right minerals, the right sodium in your body at the right time.
Then with the pre-workout, we use the same mentality, using pure, long-used, and proven ingredients, combining them in a way that it works really well. The Gladiator would be the item that people would look at, probably a critical piece of someone's performance, because of the two different kinds of caffeine, beta-alanine, and taurine, a lot of ingredients that are found in common energy drinks. But when you put them together in the right mix, they perform really well.
The first thing that you would notice would be, you'd feel your eyes open a little, you'd feel like you're really getting focused, like you're getting in the zone. You would feel like you are super-motivated, like you wanna get off the couch, and you wanna get going. And you'd have a really great level of energy and then when you're in, and once you get to the gym you would feel like you hit your second wind right away, and then you'd power through a pretty nice workout. That's a combination of really good ingredients all working together.
What you're describing sounds beneficial for enduro racing. Do you think a lot of gravity mountain bike athletes are taking pre-workouts before they drop in?
McCarthy: Yeah. I mean, because I sponsor about half of 'em. I think at that level, the same concept of buying the best tires or buying the best chain or the best rims or having the lightest frame.
Can athletes perform at that pro level without taking supplements?
McCarthy: That would be like asking if Aaron Gwin could win on a Huffy... I don't know. Gwin trains super hard, Amaury trains super hard. These guys are amazing athletes, it's not just Ryno Power, it's their diet, it's their trainers, it's the level of commitment that they're willing to make to their sport. Aaron, for instance, I've known him since 2010, he's so dedicated and so committed to what he does, it's just amazing. So there's a lot of things that go into them being successful, not just the supplements.
But I think at this level, in this day and age, if you're not using a supplement like Ryno Power, then you're going to not be as good as the guy who's lining up next to you or who's coming on the next run after you.
In the reaction to the original story, a number of people suggested that athletes shouldn't be taking any supplements in order to safeguard their careers. Whether it's tainted supplements, or missing fine print, or missing a rule update, it seems risky. What would you say to that?
McCarthy: I would totally understand why they might initially think that way. But I would say that there's a big difference between a company making some random drink on a shelf, that doesn't care if you're gonna use a supplement, you know?
There's a couple of my competitors that I really respect, Skratch Labs, Hammer Nutrition, you know... When you're at the level of those companies and Ryno Power, you don't have any benefit to breaking rules. We spend a lot of money to make sure we follow the rules. You just put the best products you can out.
So I would tell people to stay away from supplements that you never heard of or that just burst on the scene, but when a company has been around for 10 years and passed hundreds of WADA tests, through countless athletes, at that point I think you can trust if you wanna use it, it'll help your performance.
In all of this Jared Graves continues to
fight cancer, and we wish him all the best in a battle that's infinitely more important than bike racing.
Previously:•
An Update on Richie Rude & Jared Graves' Failed EWS Drug Test (March 12, 2019)
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Exclusive: Richie Rude & Jared Graves Failed Drug Test at EWS France•
Higenamine & Oxilofrine: What Are the Banned Substances that Jared Graves & Richie Rude Tested Positive For?•
Interview: Jared Graves Comments on Failed Drug Test•
Interview: Richie Rude Comments on Failed Drug Test
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I've looked at several meta-analysis and for the main supplements there does not seem to be much evidence of significant improvement, but some evidence of observed improvement. Didn't find anything saying that taking the recommended amounts was dangerous. So I'm curious too where the danger comments come from.
What a shit analogy
I like what Yoann Barelli said (paraphrase) - do you really need that big bag of pills to race your bike?
Thanks for the input, Mr. Traditional Values.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Has nothing to do with traditional values, it's purely the logistics of trying to give a semi decent education to your ungrateful offspring
That meth sounds top notch!
Also current supplements seem like they just happen to fall on the right side of the "imaginary" doping line.
However, in doing this interview, if he even showed a little doubt it seems he would be torn apart for it.
Like... "Oh, haha, ya got me... there might have been some shit we don't know about in there... oh and that batch 17, we made that one "extra special" just for that race, hoooobooyy, that was some shit!! Nearly self ignited when we mixed that stuff together... to be honest I have no idea what half of those ingredients were... Bill-Joe got half of it from some little island off the North Korean coast! Ha ha, anyway... well, my dog needs to take a shit, thanks for stopping by!"
So effing sad that people actually think like this.
"These are the companies that are helping these guys buy new homes and buy new cars and allowing their wives to stay home with the kids. "
You must have tons of riding buddies... /Sarc
I think if there were a real study that supports this (especially from a hard science as opposed to a social science), it would be well-known...
Sounds kinda offensive and unfair innit ?
Sure, there are a lot of social reasons for why women may be perceived as "better" at raising children. This is not some biological predisposition though; it's programmed behavior and cultural expectation. Hence my original question if it actually was science...
i think @drunknride was asking because having kids gives you a front row seat to a woman growing a child inside them, giving birth, sustaining them from their breasts, caring for and dealing with children on little to no sleep will leaving you questioning how the hell they survive.
Or maybe humans like almost all members of the animal kingdom and they use sexual reproduction ?
Before talking about biology, "creation of humans", sexually dimorphic behavior, you might wanna take a biology 101 course at elementary school.
I just don't know that hard scientific evidence exists to support your statement, and I don't think either you nor @drunknride do either. I wouldn't have questioned if you'd said, "it's common sense" instead of "it's science" (though I likely wouldn't have agreed it was true).
"So, remember, say scientist and science at least 3 or 4 times, don't talk about batch 17, that's the one that made all of Richies pubes fall off... and the photo... hmmm, how about you take one with Ron's dog.. hold on... RON! RONNN!! BRING YOUR STUPID DOG OVER HERE!... ya, that's right, put your elbow on your knee... perfect, this'll make you look all nice and shit, like you actually give a f*ck about this crap."
What brand ran their products before theirs? More snake oil from the hucksters.
After this interview I have full faith in these guys and will likely add their products in to my workout routine.
You guys that can't tell a notable difference when adding the right pre-workout formula, pre/ post ride formula are maybe just young or maybe don't ride all out or maybe just live in dramatically cooler temps. Cause these work notably and my nutrition and diet is already excellent.
I don't have anything against supplements and I'm not saying they are useless, just saying we don't really seem to be able to verify, generally, what works or doesn't in any real way.
You're absolutely right about trying to eat 3000 kcal in whole foods. I've been working out quite a bit lately. I lift three or 4 days a week, row and do bike intervals 3 or 4 days a week and ride twice a week and no way I could eat all of those calories in whole foods. I'm not really training for anything, just getting fit and strong to have fun at the park this summer, so I don't have to be too careful with my diet. But I do prep all my own food pretty much and it is mostly a whole food diet and on those days with intense workouts I often find myself stuffed and hungry at the same time while still needing calories. I usually just have a few beers or other crap food, since like I said this isn't for anything serious.
Like I said, I'm relatively new to this, I'm curious and coming from a science upbringing (dad's a physicist) and being an academic, I've been reading up on the scientific literature, and there is not allot of consensus, I'm finding, but I very well might be looking in the wrong places, which is why I asked.
Signed, SlapChop
I would like to know why the @brianpark didn't ask point blank what made them decide it was more beneficial to keep sponsoring these riders over ending their contracts.
As for their decision to continue supporting Jared and Richie, the answer would likely be the same for all the companies who are still sponsoring them: they'll wait for the verdict from the AFLD before making any decisions.
Seriously though, what knob is persuaded by the idiotic brand names these people give their products?
Sad but truly disturbing.....
45$ for 20 servings of protein???
"I look at Aaron Gwin and I look at Amaury Pierron and I look at Myriam Nicole. We've literally won almost every single downhill championship in the last five to six years. Imagine how many times those guys have been tested. Those guys are taking exclusively Ryno Power products. They weren't taking anything else, and they've passed every single test.
Furthermore, you have the motocross athletes that we sponsor, like Cooper Webb, and Aaron Plessinger, and Colt Nichols, and Justin Cooper, and Adam Cianciarulo, and Austin Forkner, and all of these guys who are passing drug test after drug test after drug test while using Ryno Power on a daily basis."
They say there is no such thing as bad publicity. But I wonder if that holds true for racers taking supplements that they fear might get them DQ'd.
You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
tl;dr: Stop naming suspects until the athletes themselves publish their findings.
In terms of letting athletes publish their own story, we did give them a platform to give their side, but we'd be abdicating our responsibility as media if that's all we did. We'll of course follow up once we get a verdict from the AFLD.
I'm not sure what your comments about paid advertisement means, we label all sponsored posts and content as such. Nothing from the commercial side has anything to do with our investigative stories, opinions, or reviews. If we didn't mention RynoPower or ask them for comment in relation to their athletes testing positive (presumably from supplements) there would be people claiming we let them off the hook because they're advertisers.
As for not being "real" media, we've got several trained journalists on staff and take our integrity especially seriously with stories like this. We're very aware that careers are on the line and stories like this can have drastic effects on the sport as a whole.
I may need to check these earlier articles again but I thought they said they didn't know where the substances came from. If it was "oh yeah, that was from a supplement we've been using" then apparently they do know where it came from and there would be no more guessing.
Yes I do acknowledge that you did give both athletes the opportunity to tell their story early on so that's great. I think that's what needed to be done when the news came out. But that's where it stops. Sure they're both supplied by Ryno so that's the easy catch. But just because they're the easy catch also puts an unfair spotlight on them. What about their coaches, their cooks, doctors? Would you interview them too? Sure they don't typically supply them supplements but then again they do prescribe/supply supplements on an individual basis whereas Ryno supplies bulk. With so many high profile athletes being supplied by Ryno (sponsored or not) and (afaik) no other athlete failing drug tests, is it still so likely that it would be their stuff containing the prohibited substances? Look, I'm not saying their doctors etc are all suspect too now. I'm just saying that we don't know and requiring their most prominent supplier of supplements to defend themselves is unfair. You (as in, Pinkbike) asked Ryno early on "did the prohibited substances come from you" and they said "no, certainly not" so really, that's where it stops. Asking them again doesn't change anything. It just puts them in a negative spotlight once again. As I said, I've never heard of them until the news broke about Richie and Jared.
Not sure how many paying customers they actually have. I suppose most people benefit more from just putting the proper training in, not sit as much and just not eat the bad stuff. So it would be the top athletes who would use supplements (beyond maybe the vit D3, EPA/DHA, magnesium and other stuff most people lack). So if I were a high level athlete (I'm not) and I would need to choose my supplier of supplements, I would obviously not want something with prohibited supplements that would get me busted and make all the hard work and effort pointless. So yeah I can imagine this news has cost Ryno a good few customers. It has damaged the company. And that may be acceptable if they're actually guilty but until now, there is no evidence that they are.
My comment about "real" media wasn't necessarily meant to be negative though I get that it obviously came across as such. It is just that whenever you (me, anybody...) gets information from somewhere you check the source and then decide how many grains of salt need to be added. I do realize that this may not go for everyone (considering apparently elections seem to be influenced by troll posts on social media and these trolls are considered a serious problem as such, instead of the people who actually read and believe these) but, depending on the contents of the article, PB doesn't rank particularly high. Not troll-like low by any means, but more than a few times it deserves a couple of double checks. Especially if it starts with "it doesn't take a Sherlock Holmes to realize that...", you know it is typically wrong. Which is acceptable if it doesn't harm anyone. In this case though, I do think it was harmful. Not sure how it works in Canada. I do know in the US it is "guilty until proven innocent" but at least over here (The Netherlands) it is the other way around. A suspect won't be named with the full name until found guilty. And you're not going to require them to defend themselves in public. And in particular, don't require them to suggest a new suspect. In this particular case, PB eventually posed it as a closed question. Why should you? Ryan doesn't know more than you already do about that, why would you need to hear it from a Ryno representative? The only ones who would know are the athletes. You can ask them, they can choose not to tell. But seriously, that's the best you can do. So yeah, that's the code I expect the media to adhere to. You can choose not to follow these ethics, it just drops you down a couple or ranks.
As for the comment about paid advertisement (but also about just giving your personal preference or just to express what you're excited about), I do think you interpreted it differently from what I meant to say. My point was, I have nothing against promoting a product, paid (as in advertised, press release) or not (just your own excitement). I know some of your readers do, especially those on cellphones as it seems like they don't show the grey blocks that say "advertisement" etc. But that may just be a software thing that needs to be sorted. All I meant to say was, I have nothing against putting something/someone in a positive daylight. I just meant to say you need to be very careful not to put something/someone in a negative daylight. Especially if you're not 100% certain they deserve to be in that position. In general, the rule thumb in giving feedback to someone is, you can give only one negative point per two positive points in order for it to land and be accepted. Now obviously you're writing articles, not giving feedback but I'd say something similar applies to when reporting about someone/something. As I mentioned, I didn't know about Ryno until the news broke. Could be me of course but then it sure must go for others too. I only learned about them because of the failed drug test and I think that's not fair.
So yeah I didn't meant to be particularly negative towards Pinkbike in general. I think there is some good stuff you're doing and I appreciate that. In this particular case, I do appreciate that you did give the athletes a platform to tell their side of the story and I understand and appreciate that you can be excited about a product/service/athlete whether you're paid for that or not. What I disapprove of in this case is that the negative publicity Ryno gets for coincidentally being the supplement supplier for these two athletes is disproportionate. Their business thrives on trust their high level athletes have in them and damaging that trust based on mere speculation isn't fair.
tl;dr: Good on you. This was a response to @brianpark to set a few things straight and make sure we understand each other correctly. I wanted to be complete here so sorry I couldn't make it any shorter.