Ryno Power's Ryan McCarthy Says Their Supplements Not Responsible for Rude & Graves' Failed Drug Tests

Mar 12, 2019
by Brian Park  

When Jared Graves and Richie Rude confirmed to us last year that they'd tested positive for the banned substances higenamine and oxilofrine, they suggested it came from a supplement—but were advised by their lawyer not to specify which supplement until the case was resolved. Many readers pointed the finger at Jared & Richie's supplement sponsor, Ryno Power, who denied any responsibility.

After our initial story broke, we continued digging. An ingredient called synephrine was removed from Ryno Power's Gladiator pre-workout a few years ago, which is noteworthy because synephrine is related to methylsynephrine, AKA oxilofrine. Could synephrine somehow cause a positive test for methylsynephrine? Several experts have suggested to us that's not possible: they're distinctly different compounds, act in different ways, and there's no documentation to suggest that the synephrine can become methylated within your body.

What about simple human error though? With such similar names, could the ingredients have been mislabeled or substituted? We reached out to Ryno Power Founder Ryan McCarthy for some answers.

Note: Ryno Power is an advertiser with Pinkbike. The interview has been edited for clarity.

Hey Ryan, the riders were advised not to say where they think the substances came from publicly, so let's cut to the chase on that. Have either of the banned substances, oxilofrine or higenamine, ever been ingredients in any of your products?

McCarthy: No. Neither of those have ever been anywhere near any Ryno Power product.

If not from your products, do you know what caused Jared and Richie to have banned substances in their systems?

Ryan McCarthy of Ryno Power
Ryan McCarthy of Ryno Power

McCarthy: So from what I understand, there's an over-the-counter drink that they bought and it listed it as an ingredient in that drink. And they had been known to drink that drink from time to time.


Is the drink Alphamine?

McCarthy: Yes, I thought that was the name of the drink that Jared was taking, the one with the pictures of him in Vital.

Ed. Note: Ryan is referring to photos that came out from the 2016 Vital MTB photo set in Chile with Graves taking a supplement called Alphamine, from another supplement brand. It did contain one of the banned substances, higenamine. There's nothing that suggests Richie was also using Alphamine.

Higenamine wasn't specifically named as a banned substance by WADA at the time, but it is a beta 2 agonist, which were (and still are) banned. If Jared continued to use it knowingly or unknowingly then that could have been the source of one of the banned substances.


Does Ryno Power have agreements with athletes that they don't take other brands' supplements? Is that a concern for you?

McCarthy: Our agreements with the athletes tend to vary, for instance, when we have an athlete like Jared Graves or Richie Rude and they have an existing energy drink sponsor. We have a ton of respect for Red Bull, we have a ton of respect for Monster, and a ton of respect for Rockstar. These are the companies that are helping these guys buy new homes and buy new cars and allowing their wives to stay home with the kids. So when that comes around, we definitely yield to the energy drink sponsors. We realize they're paying the big salaries and that these guys are gonna have to drink that from time to time, you're gonna have to hold that up on the podium.

We do ask our athletes not use other products, specifically to make sure that the message is clear, that in order to perform at the level that they perform at they use Ryno Power alongside their energy drinks to succeed. If they use something else, we don't have anything where we can tell them no or you're not allowed to use it. We leave it up to them, but when things like this happen it's certainly frustrating for us. I hope that our athletes will remember that if they can exclusively use Ryno Power, then they know 100%, without question, that they will pass every single drug test they're given.

I look at Aaron Gwin and I look at Amaury Pierron and I look at Myriam Nicole. We've literally won almost every single downhill championship in the last five to six years. Imagine how many times those guys have been tested. Those guys are taking exclusively Ryno Power products. They weren't taking anything else, and they've passed every single test.
Some of the riders that Ryno Power sponsors.

Furthermore, you have the motocross athletes that we sponsor, like Cooper Webb, and Aaron Plessinger, and Colt Nichols, and Justin Cooper, and Adam Cianciarulo, and Austin Forkner, and all of these guys who are passing drug test after drug test after drug test while using Ryno Power on a daily basis. And then Richie Rude and Jared Graves [tested positive] and people somehow think that Ryno Power made a mistake. We don't make mistakes.

Let's jump back a little bit, have you guys done any internal testing or reviews since our original report was published?

McCarthy: We followed up with our manufacturing facility and we reminded them of the magnitude of their responsibility to follow all of the guidelines that they are required to follow, not just from Ryno Power, but from the NSF. Ryno Power chose early on, 2012, that we were only going to use NSF-certified GMP facilities, and what that means is that the biggest, scariest sanctioning body, the NSF, you pay them to come into your manufacturing facility two times a year, and turn your whole world upside-down, go through every single paper, and every single file, and make sure every single batch that you made followed all the rules of the NSF. That includes the identity testing, the micros testing, the label testing, all of these things along the way, which are the way I can sit here with you right now and guarantee unequivocally that there's no way banned substances have ever been in Ryno Power.

Have any cycling officials approached Ryno Power about testing your product in relation to the case?

McCarthy: No, none have approached us.

The original formulation of your Gladiator pre-workout listed synephrine, which is related to the methylsynephrine that they tested positive for. Is it possible that somebody got mixed up along the line and used this synthetic, methylated version of synephrine instead of the citrus-derived version, and the label was just wrong?

McCarthy: No, that's literally impossible. We do what's called identity testing on every single ingredient, so even on that very original batch when we first released Gladiator, all the ingredients get shipped to the facility, and then they come with their own certificate of analysis saying it is what it is, it's this color, it's this odor, blah, blah, blah. Then they send it out to a reputable third party and they do a couple different tests on it. They do identity testing to make sure that is what they say it is. They do micros, which is like testing it for salmonella or E. coli.

All raw materials are coded, so they're followed all the way down the line, they know what is what. Then they go back and do micro and identity markers to confirm the input. So to accidentally use one version instead of another is impossible.

What lead to the decision to remove synephrine?

At the time we launched Gladiator, synephrine was not even on the watch list by WADA. Immediately upon seeing it on the watch list, the very next batch, and we produce this stuff almost every three months, it was taken out.

Jared and Richie weren't Ryno Power athletes when we did the first batch. They came on probably around batch number 11 or 12, so we were already ten batches past the batch that ever had synephrine in it. And as far as I understand, there's no possible way for synephrine to become methylsynephrine, but I have to refer to my formulator to answer that scientifically.

So the only way anyone could have gotten the version of Gladiator with synephrine in the last year or two would have been buying old stock from a retailer. Would they be buying product off the shelf anyway?

McCarthy: No. These guys get whatever they need from us.


Gladiator was the supplement that Jared was taking?

McCarthy: Well, Jared uses our protein, our hydration fuel, he uses our electrolyte pills, our recovery pills, and our Gladiator Pre-Workout.

Without doing the full marketing presentation, what would I notice if I took Gladiator before I dropped in?

McCarthy: So one that people would typically want to question would be the pre-workout, but I'll get to that one last. The hydration fuel and the protein, the recovery capsules, the electrolyte capsules, all of those products are almost 100% about the nutrition aspect, getting the right carbs, the right minerals, the right sodium in your body at the right time.

Then with the pre-workout, we use the same mentality, using pure, long-used, and proven ingredients, combining them in a way that it works really well. The Gladiator would be the item that people would look at, probably a critical piece of someone's performance, because of the two different kinds of caffeine, beta-alanine, and taurine, a lot of ingredients that are found in common energy drinks. But when you put them together in the right mix, they perform really well.

The first thing that you would notice would be, you'd feel your eyes open a little, you'd feel like you're really getting focused, like you're getting in the zone. You would feel like you are super-motivated, like you wanna get off the couch, and you wanna get going. And you'd have a really great level of energy and then when you're in, and once you get to the gym you would feel like you hit your second wind right away, and then you'd power through a pretty nice workout. That's a combination of really good ingredients all working together.

What you're describing sounds beneficial for enduro racing. Do you think a lot of gravity mountain bike athletes are taking pre-workouts before they drop in?

McCarthy: Yeah. I mean, because I sponsor about half of 'em. I think at that level, the same concept of buying the best tires or buying the best chain or the best rims or having the lightest frame.

Can athletes perform at that pro level without taking supplements?

McCarthy: That would be like asking if Aaron Gwin could win on a Huffy... I don't know. Gwin trains super hard, Amaury trains super hard. These guys are amazing athletes, it's not just Ryno Power, it's their diet, it's their trainers, it's the level of commitment that they're willing to make to their sport. Aaron, for instance, I've known him since 2010, he's so dedicated and so committed to what he does, it's just amazing. So there's a lot of things that go into them being successful, not just the supplements.

But I think at this level, in this day and age, if you're not using a supplement like Ryno Power, then you're going to not be as good as the guy who's lining up next to you or who's coming on the next run after you.

In the reaction to the original story, a number of people suggested that athletes shouldn't be taking any supplements in order to safeguard their careers. Whether it's tainted supplements, or missing fine print, or missing a rule update, it seems risky. What would you say to that?

McCarthy: I would totally understand why they might initially think that way. But I would say that there's a big difference between a company making some random drink on a shelf, that doesn't care if you're gonna use a supplement, you know?

There's a couple of my competitors that I really respect, Skratch Labs, Hammer Nutrition, you know... When you're at the level of those companies and Ryno Power, you don't have any benefit to breaking rules. We spend a lot of money to make sure we follow the rules. You just put the best products you can out.

So I would tell people to stay away from supplements that you never heard of or that just burst on the scene, but when a company has been around for 10 years and passed hundreds of WADA tests, through countless athletes, at that point I think you can trust if you wanna use it, it'll help your performance.

In all of this Jared Graves continues to fight cancer, and we wish him all the best in a battle that's infinitely more important than bike racing.

• An Update on Richie Rude & Jared Graves' Failed EWS Drug Test (March 12, 2019)
• Exclusive: Richie Rude & Jared Graves Failed Drug Test at EWS France
Higenamine & Oxilofrine: What Are the Banned Substances that Jared Graves & Richie Rude Tested Positive For?
• Interview: Jared Graves Comments on Failed Drug Test
• Interview: Richie Rude Comments on Failed Drug Test

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  • 128 3
 Tl;dr the dogs name is donald.
  • 13 0
 Summed up the whole interview nicely, thank you.
  • 15 0
 Came here to ask the real questions and found that its already taken care of. It is a good day in the dog kingdom.
  • 5 0
 Donald replaces Deebo, who just passed from "natural causes."

  • 7 0
 I was going to say, who is that man behind Ryan McCarthy in the first picture?
  • 1 0
 Taking a page out of the Sweetums' playbook: www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ElGUIQkV78
  • 86 4
 If Ryno Power did have illegal substances in their products I'd be a loyal customer. Beer league races aren't gonna win themselves!
  • 5 1
 Lets start a "Weekend Warrior" line..we could be douchestick thousandaires by Monday...haha
  • 6 0
 try some fight milk, the first alcoholic, dairy-based protein drink for bodyguards by bodyguards. made with real crow
  • 94 13
 Shocking. Snakeoil salesman defends his snakeoil.
  • 48 10
 Right? I've taken two college-level nutrition classes and every single one of them says supplements are at best a waste of money and potentially dangerous due and rhino power is on here claiming you need supplements to compete...what a joke.
  • 21 2
 @clink83: It's irresponsible. So many younger kids on this site that idolize these athletes. I see so many young local enduro kids posting pics at the gym with their Ryno power shaker like its gonna get them the top step of the podium.
  • 43 1
 @clink83: All these supplements and powders and their claims just make me think of Brawndo: The Thirst Mutilator.
  • 49 0
 @ZappBrannigan: It's got electrolytes, the stuff plants crave!
  • 5 0
 @ZappBrannigan: OMG that made my day haha.
  • 37 0
 @ZappBrannigan: Somebody tried to get me to drink water for hydration and I was like, Water? Like what's in the toilet? That's idiotic!
  • 7 0
 yup "you would feel your eyes open a little" lol
  • 3 0
 @mountaincross: I never seen no enduro races in no toilet!
  • 7 3
 @clink83: I've taken college level nutrition courses and they were a joke. Dangerous ... can you explain ? Do you mean if 1 ton of a supplement fell on your head kinda dangerous?
  • 7 7
 This year I won a race fasted and I am 37. Really people should look at the benefits of fasting...
  • 4 4
 I don't get it why someone need even a fucking supplement for protein...
  • 4 0
 @PauRexs: The clue is in the name
  • 3 0
 @PauRexs I'm sure there are lots of way to biohack your performance that don't involve illegal substances. Although it would probably take several seasons to work out what works best for an individual. But young athletes are going to look at what everybody else is doing for performance gains and copy that. And for most people, a scoop of powder is so much easier than committing to more lifestyle changes or new habits on top of all the training.
  • 6 2
 @daraghflanagan: I'm sorry your college nutrition course sucked. Some classes are better than others.

I've looked at several meta-analysis and for the main supplements there does not seem to be much evidence of significant improvement, but some evidence of observed improvement. Didn't find anything saying that taking the recommended amounts was dangerous. So I'm curious too where the danger comments come from.
  • 3 5
 @bcmrider: Guess what... The potential of your mind and "self" knowledge is way further of any external doping. I used to be that kid took powders and now I fast and do not take even any cafein or refinned sugar... Tosterone boost 1000*100 after 16/18h of fasting... And many others I could say... So all this industry (and lobbies) is just a veil to not truly known the potential of yourself... That is what I get more excited about in this journey... To proove myself (and others) whow much we misunderstood ourselves... See you at EWS in couple years... Wink
  • 2 1
 @PauRexs: a cyclocross race or a marathon?
  • 1 0
 @mm732: Mini DH race 2 waves plus training, no shuttle
  • 69 0
 can this stuff be injected rectally? asking for a friend....
  • 7 0
  • 39 0
 Anything can be injected rectally if you're brave enough.
  • 4 0
 Works best for those anal retentive types.
  • 3 0
 @Trailsoup: and you don't even need a friend to do it (they say).
  • 1 0
 I think there was a roadie given the option of a catheter, he failed the drug test instead. He was a Lance teammate...
  • 7 0
 … damn near killed him !
  • 42 5
 I say go full doping. We’re being such babies. I want good racing, not emaciated lethargic stuff. Mandatory coke, iv’s post race, epo, you know - like the old tour stuff. And mass start stages. Like top of the world would be a rad mass start stage.
  • 9 1
 Bring on the super-mod category!
  • 5 0
 @sspiff: turbocharging, nitrous oxide, and fans on the bottom of the bike for increased downforce.
  • 1 0
 @twozerosix: Don't forget afterburners!
  • 2 0
 Haha love this, needs to be done on e-bikes as well, with checkpoints on the way down where you have to stop and take a shot
  • 42 2
 "That would be like asking if Aaron Gwin could win on a Huffy"
What a shit analogy
  • 17 0
 fkn asinine thing to day.

I like what Yoann Barelli said (paraphrase) - do you really need that big bag of pills to race your bike?
  • 2 0
 asinine what McCarthy said, not you me2.
  • 2 0
 Well there was this one race where his chain.........
  • 3 0
 But has anyone asked him yet? I want to know
  • 44 14
 "....and allowing their wives to stay home with the kids."

Thanks for the input, Mr. Traditional Values.
  • 10 8
 I think you mean all values count. But this value doesn't align with your own.
  • 17 2
 Well if one of the parents is off racing for 6 months, you may want the other at home taking care of the family
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Has nothing to do with traditional values, it's purely the logistics of trying to give a semi decent education to your ungrateful offspring
  • 2 2
 @fabdemaere: I concur. Smart parenting is a lost cause now-a-days
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 @fabdemaere: Good point.
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 @fabdemaere: He could have thought of the Women racing and the dads stay at home. So yes, it is logistics. But it would be better to say: The partner stays at home. Less traditional values Wink
  • 22 0
 "...you'd feel your eyes open a little, you'd feel like you're really getting focused, like you're getting in the zone. You would feel like you are super-motivated, like you wanna get off the couch, and you wanna get going. And you'd have a really great level of energy..."

That meth sounds top notch!
  • 26 4
 "We don't make mistakes" is one of the least confidence inspiring statements I have ever heard...

Also current supplements seem like they just happen to fall on the right side of the "imaginary" doping line.
  • 6 2
 It seems unreasonable to be this confident in a product full of so many synthetic ingredients only about 5% of the population can even pronounce let alone understand.

However, in doing this interview, if he even showed a little doubt it seems he would be torn apart for it.
  • 26 3
 Man and here I was really expecting them to own up to putting dodgey shit in their supplements... oh well!
  • 12 0
 It's the doggy shit you really need to watch out for.
  • 41 1
 Ya, what the f*ck did Pinkbike or anyone else expect this guy to say??

Like... "Oh, haha, ya got me... there might have been some shit we don't know about in there... oh and that batch 17, we made that one "extra special" just for that race, hoooobooyy, that was some shit!! Nearly self ignited when we mixed that stuff together... to be honest I have no idea what half of those ingredients were... Bill-Joe got half of it from some little island off the North Korean coast! Ha ha, anyway... well, my dog needs to take a shit, thanks for stopping by!"
  • 22 2
 "But I think at this level, in this day and age, if you're not using a supplement like Ryno Power, then you're going to not be as good as the guy who's lining up next to you or who's coming on the next run after you."

So effing sad that people actually think like this.
  • 37 21
 The sexism is so casual, just sliding in on lines like this:

"These are the companies that are helping these guys buy new homes and buy new cars and allowing their wives to stay home with the kids. "
  • 17 17
 Jealous much? Pretty dialed set up if you ask me.
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flag haychaser (Mar 12, 2019 at 13:59) (Below Threshold)
 @NickyDiNapoli: Hardly, I make more than they do.
  • 21 9
 I am willing to bet he was thinking of specific athletes when he made that statement, who in fact have wives who stay home with their kids. Dudes barely have enough time to deal with being a relationship when competing at that level, let alone trying to manage a household with two working parents. Its rough when both are working normal 9-5s, I couldn't imagine what it would be like being an elite athlete gone half the year, training, keeping a marriage going with a wife that works and tossing in some mijos. Having your wife raise your kids is way better then daycare and some randoms doing it. Men and women are different and women are better at raising children. Its science
  • 10 0
 Are you looking for a stay at home dad... I'm currently accepting applications
  • 16 9
 Nothing sexist about this comment its how life often works. Women have babies and tend to be the ones that stay home and take care of them. welcome to the real world.
  • 11 6
 What kind of insufferable person spends all day looking to be offended without knowing any context?

You must have tons of riding buddies... /Sarc
  • 3 0
 Somehow with this comment you were able to flush out the dentist.
  • 1 0
 @nismo325: pow right in the kisser
  • 9 0
 @mobil1syn: it's science?
  • 2 3
 @sspiff: Probably an Anchorman reference but yes biology is a science
  • 8 0
 @drunknride: can you point me to the scientific result that "women are better at raising children"?

I think if there were a real study that supports this (especially from a hard science as opposed to a social science), it would be well-known...
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 @sspiff: How old are you and do you have kids? Of course there are many exceptions but "generally" women are more adept, naturally inclined, biologically compelled, etc to raising children. You don't need a scientific study (opening your eyes works great) but there are many out there should you want to find them.
  • 10 2
 @drunknride: "of course there are many exceptions but generally Americans are dumb, naturally stupid, biologically compelled to write idiotic statements on Pinkbike. You don't need a scientific study ( opening your eyes works great) but there are many out there should you want to find them."

Sounds kinda offensive and unfair innit ?
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 @drunknride: I'm a thirty something and don't have kids by choice, but I'm not sure why that's relevant.

Sure, there are a lot of social reasons for why women may be perceived as "better" at raising children. This is not some biological predisposition though; it's programmed behavior and cultural expectation. Hence my original question if it actually was science...
  • 2 2
 @sspiff: i was being snarky with the science comment. i doubt there is any scientific research tackling this topic due to the societal push for "equality" to the point of ignoring the biology. i do believe humans were created male/female for a reason and in that have unique innate abilities that allow them to compliment each other in relationships.

i think @drunknride was asking because having kids gives you a front row seat to a woman growing a child inside them, giving birth, sustaining them from their breasts, caring for and dealing with children on little to no sleep will leaving you questioning how the hell they survive.
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 @mobil1syn: Exactly. Seems like people want to ignore the fact that there is plenty of biological evidence to support what I said in the name of "feelings". Sorry, we're not biologically and physiologically "equal". @sspiff It's science. You must have a women's brain; much smaller then that of a man....
  • 2 1
 @mobil1syn: ." i do believe humans were created male/female for a reason and in that have unique innate abilities that allow them to compliment each other in relationships"

Or maybe humans like almost all members of the animal kingdom and they use sexual reproduction ?

Before talking about biology, "creation of humans", sexually dimorphic behavior, you might wanna take a biology 101 course at elementary school.
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 @zede: if humans are members of the animal kingdom as you mentioned then there should be no argument on the rolls of male/female and there should be no deviation from that since nature dictates these things.
  • 3 1
 @mobil1syn: "better at raising children" doesn't have anything to do with traditional rolls in the animal kingdom, at least in the context of your original statement.

I just don't know that hard scientific evidence exists to support your statement, and I don't think either you nor @drunknride do either. I wouldn't have questioned if you'd said, "it's common sense" instead of "it's science" (though I likely wouldn't have agreed it was true).
  • 4 1
 @drunknride: Sorry, dude. I never said we're biologically or physiologically equal. I just doubted that women were inherently "better at raising children" (which goes far beyond gestation and breastfeeding). I'm just asking you to show me the real science, and I'm beginning to think that you can't...
  • 17 0
 I'm all for a Pre Workout Booster Shootout at pinkbike, then the drugged up editors get to ride the Doctahawk with a dual crown fork.
  • 4 0
 @me2menow: Sounds fun tbh
  • 19 0
 Look I'm with a dog you can trust me.
  • 17 1
 Do they do dog testing or something? What an innocent looking photo of Ryan from Ryno...
  • 23 1
 I can just see the pre-call meeting..

"So, remember, say scientist and science at least 3 or 4 times, don't talk about batch 17, that's the one that made all of Richies pubes fall off... and the photo... hmmm, how about you take one with Ron's dog.. hold on... RON! RONNN!! BRING YOUR STUPID DOG OVER HERE!... ya, that's right, put your elbow on your knee... perfect, this'll make you look all nice and shit, like you actually give a f*ck about this crap."
  • 17 0
 Ryan I trust...but that dog looks shady AF.
  • 3 3
 He does look a bit like Trump
  • 17 2
 That´s a really nice ad .
  • 9 4
 The interview came about because I was digging into the synephrine vs methylsynephrine thing. We were not paid to run this.
  • 10 10
 @brianpark: Did you shower after the interview? Cuz that's what I felt like doing after reading it.
  • 11 0
 obviously these guys sponsor pros who are drug tested, but if i am buying supplements (paying that kinda money), it better have EPO and HGH in it.
  • 12 0
 I'm convinced. This guy should maybe go work for Enve!
  • 11 0
 @Tmackstab just do bicep curls. Nothing else matters
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  • 10 1
 This company doesn't own their own factory - they cannot 100% guarantee quality.

What brand ran their products before theirs? More snake oil from the hucksters.
  • 10 3
 Supplements. The biggest load of marketing bollocks ever. The mugs fall over themselves to buy them too. Nourishment and hydration. Piss all over them.
  • 9 5
 I had initially suspected Ryno Power of being the source. It didn't help that Broc Tickle also failed a test and in a rider interview he had Ryno Power within camera shot.

After this interview I have full faith in these guys and will likely add their products in to my workout routine.
You guys that can't tell a notable difference when adding the right pre-workout formula, pre/ post ride formula are maybe just young or maybe don't ride all out or maybe just live in dramatically cooler temps. Cause these work notably and my nutrition and diet is already excellent.
  • 4 0
 He actually sounded a little miffed in some of his responses. I'd say, rightfully so.
  • 3 1
 Is he related to dick trickle?
  • 5 1
 Funny reading the arguments against supplements on here, if you're comparing yourself to.... yourself, then yeh there's no benefits, of course nutrition, hydration etc are important, but if you're doing all that right to start with, there's massive potential in supplements. I would be looking to sue these athletes who damaged my brand by using other products in the background if I was Rhyno power.
  • 3 0
 Interesting point, I think I agree
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 Can you cite any studies that show this massive potential? I've been reading up and all of the studies I've found and the meta analysis and medical advice seem to indicate no measurable gain or just marginal gain. They also don't indicate any harm if taken correctly. But I'm just learning and am curious.
  • 3 0
 @pcmxa: I guess personal experience is my study, I've used a few and found they helped loads with fighting early fatigue and providing energy release on long bike rides, so noticable my riding buddies kept commenting on my 'sudden improvements in fitness', conversely though, drinking 1L coconut water and eating a banana before a ride has been almost as effective as any pre-workout and hydration supplements I've tried to date
  • 1 0
 @pcmxa: not sure what gains exactly would satisfy you? It's just powdered food that helps you balance your diet if you don't have time and/or resource to get it 100% dialled on home-made food (and not a lot of people do). Let's say you count your macros at the end of a day and figure out you've got everything spot on except you need a bit more protein, but nothing else. What whole food will you eat to top that up without any excess salt, carbs, fat etc.? That's where a small protein shake comes in handy. Of course running on 100% healthy, whole, home-made food is ideal but it's also pretty hard especially when trying to put on weight or spending a lot of energy. Have you ever tried ingesting more than 3000 kcal a day eating only whole food? I'm telling you now for free that it means barely doing anything else than cooking and eating and at some point you're sick of even looking at food. At least for me that killed the pleasure of eating for some time and I love good food.
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 @bananowy: Really, i'm more curious about the lack of scientific data, there are tons of programs and diets out there, different claims about nutrients and supplements and timing etc. and almost none of it is backed up by anything verifiable. The only agreed upon thing seems to be caffeine, protein, bcaa, creatine, and beta-alanine and only the first two seem to have a majority agreement.

I don't have anything against supplements and I'm not saying they are useless, just saying we don't really seem to be able to verify, generally, what works or doesn't in any real way.

You're absolutely right about trying to eat 3000 kcal in whole foods. I've been working out quite a bit lately. I lift three or 4 days a week, row and do bike intervals 3 or 4 days a week and ride twice a week and no way I could eat all of those calories in whole foods. I'm not really training for anything, just getting fit and strong to have fun at the park this summer, so I don't have to be too careful with my diet. But I do prep all my own food pretty much and it is mostly a whole food diet and on those days with intense workouts I often find myself stuffed and hungry at the same time while still needing calories. I usually just have a few beers or other crap food, since like I said this isn't for anything serious.

Like I said, I'm relatively new to this, I'm curious and coming from a science upbringing (dad's a physicist) and being an academic, I've been reading up on the scientific literature, and there is not allot of consensus, I'm finding, but I very well might be looking in the wrong places, which is why I asked.
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 @pcmxa: Got it. I really dig the idea of topping up kcal with beer haha, my kind of diet Wink
  • 7 1
 "But WAIT!!! There's MORE!!!...for a limited time...'You're gonna love my nuts!'"
Signed, SlapChop
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 The only thing better than this ad, would be a full infomercial with the Slapchop guy...
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 @ReformedRoadie: ...as he is doing rails of Ryno Power off a prostitutes backside.
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 @PocoBoho: Is there another way to do it???
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 Load of hot air. PB should have spent the time and money doing an independent test of the supplement line. That would actually provide some new and useful information. Otherwise its just the company rep towing the line. What a waste of time.
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 I'll stick with Skratch labs hydration mix only. That guy from ryno looks shady AF. The dog looks like butch from the bush's baked beans commercials.
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 Roll that beautiful dope footage
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 Are you implying the dog is just a paid actor?!!!!
  • 7 1
 Coffee, a bong rip and a beer, in that order, is my pre workout supplement routine.
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 If this ryno stuff actually did anything to enhance athlete performance, WADA would have banned it already. By saying your product contains nothing that would cause an athlete to fail a drug test is in essence admission that your product has no performance enhancing qualities, and I might as well drink water. At least until WADA bans that as well.
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 I don't think that ANYONE thought Rynopower was the reason for the positive test results.
I would like to know why the @brianpark didn't ask point blank what made them decide it was more beneficial to keep sponsoring these riders over ending their contracts.
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 Many people thought that, and continue to think that—see the comments on this article. Two riders test positive for ingredients often found in supplements, it's not shocking people are suspicious of the supplement sponsor they have in common. Being skeptical is good and I'm not here to defend RynoPower. We got some flack for giving the riders a platform to tell their side of it, and I'm expecting some flack here too, but ultimately I feel this answers some questions and brings new information to the table.

As for their decision to continue supporting Jared and Richie, the answer would likely be the same for all the companies who are still sponsoring them: they'll wait for the verdict from the AFLD before making any decisions.
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 @brianpark: I do understand why it would makes sense for them to wait, thanks for response
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 @brianpark: Richie or Jared should know if they've used supplements from another company. If Ryno are sure about their own products I don't think they need to wait for the verdict from the AFLD as the positive result isn't being contested. One of these two could have confirmed that publicly for their sponsor instead of following the lawyers advice to 'keep it shifty'.
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 @brianpark: Let's be real honest here though. No one is going to drop a guy battling cancer.
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 @drunknride: He could start and run a foundation that battles cancer and use it as a cover so he could cheat at an organized sport. Nah...that's pretty effed up.
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 Thanks @bryanpark. Nice piece of journalism here and this is the type of content that legitimizes pinkbike. Not sure why all the weird comments but I thought Ryno Power backed it up an handled this pretty well.
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 Ohhhh I get it, cos you're called RYan and it sounds like RHINO, which suggests..... Strength, I guess. Clever stuff.

Seriously though, what knob is persuaded by the idiotic brand names these people give their products?
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 Getting back to the asthma topic, I've found out that the amount in your urine has to be on a level of 16 shots of inhalator (ventoline, berodual, whatever) per day to reach allowed limits (if you notice officials you having an asthma) Me, being an asthmatic, in case of I need Iam suggested to take two shots twice a day in. .. 16 shots per an enduro race day would definitely give me big advance... Just saying
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 I'd actually feel safer using Ryno Products now as id know they've been under tighter testing and scrutiny so are fully legit
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 I was going to ignore the article and jump straight to the comments, but then i saw the doggo, i read the whole thing hoping they talk about the doggo more.
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 “These are the companies that are helping these guys buy new homes and buy new cars and allowing their wives to stay home with the kids. So when that comes around, we definitely yield to the energy drink sponsors.”

Sad but truly disturbing.....
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 Redbull, Rockstar, Monster.....these will be the Pepsis and Coca Colas of the future generation....or degeneration.....
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 @Ben-76: that's who owns the energy drink brands
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 Isn’t rynopower just overpriced supplements targeted at the biking community?

45$ for 20 servings of protein???
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 On a somewhat different note,cycling teams and athletes are already hurting for sponsorship dollars that come from outside of the cycling industry, especially compared to other, more heavily televised sports. It's unfortunate that so many would blast a company like Ryno Power...these guys bring product and sponsorship dollars into cycling, helping tons of pros pay bills or at least get a portion of their nutrition in order. You don't have to buy their products if you don't believe in them, but come on...I wouldn't want to help support a community that just blasted the shit out of my company.
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 This is the same thing I was thinking when the news broke:

"I look at Aaron Gwin and I look at Amaury Pierron and I look at Myriam Nicole. We've literally won almost every single downhill championship in the last five to six years. Imagine how many times those guys have been tested. Those guys are taking exclusively Ryno Power products. They weren't taking anything else, and they've passed every single test.

Furthermore, you have the motocross athletes that we sponsor, like Cooper Webb, and Aaron Plessinger, and Colt Nichols, and Justin Cooper, and Adam Cianciarulo, and Austin Forkner, and all of these guys who are passing drug test after drug test after drug test while using Ryno Power on a daily basis."
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 Ryno Power about to get a sales boost
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 I wonder if sales were taking a hit? Personally if they didn't do anything wrong I think it would be better just not to comment. Better for it to come out in the official story in the end instead of pointing fingers at the drink company, etc.

They say there is no such thing as bad publicity. But I wonder if that holds true for racers taking supplements that they fear might get them DQ'd.
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 Man this guy loves his dog! Can you imagine posting a mall portrait of you and your dog as the advertising face for your line of business?
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 Wow. If it didn’t contain it, you can be sure with a name like rhino power it will probably contain al sorts of other bad S*it. And ‘We followed up with our manufacturing facility and we reminded them of the magnitude of their responsibility to follow all of the guidelines that they are required to follow’. So the they basically told thier dodgy lab to folllow the rules, and just expect them to do it. Who the hell buys this stuff?
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 I always thought Ryno Power was started by Ex Motocross Bad Boy Ryan Hughes, how wrong was I lol. Cute doggo though.
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 No, you're right. They're co-founders and partners in Ryno Power.
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 Eat naturally...train efficiently ...all these supplements are unhealthy shit to put in your body..wake up people!
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 But exactly how much powdered rhino is in there products?
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 I'm surprised by these comments. Ryno Power seems pretty legit.
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 It must be good you can drink it and make pancakes with it.
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 I thought the pancakes failed. Could have been operator error though.
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 My Gosh the MTB community consists of a lot of whiny little beetches. Non 'effin stop.
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You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
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 Soylent Green! The only protein supplement that matches what a human needs.
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 I must have missed this, but why is Ryno Power being dragged into this in the first place? I never heard of them until this whole failed drug test came about. But this seems like pure speculation. Sure both athletes are using supplements from this same company as well as so many other athletes do who've never been tested positive. To me it seems like Ryno is just getting a lot of bad publicity from Pinkbike and they need to defend themselves for something they may not even have had part in. Not just that, they're being asked here to suggest what may otherwise be the source. And then a more closed question "was it this particular drink?". What's wrong with allowing these athletes to publish their own story to the media once they've figured it out? I understand the media like Pinkbike does paid advertisement to get food on the table, they may just like to give a product some positive publicity simply because they like it and think it is cool. And I have nothing against that. But making a product suspect because what could very well be coincidence is beyond harmful. When choosing a supplement for next racing season would an athlete buy Ryno or take something else just to be sure? I know Pinkbike is not real media in that the editors are not qualified journalists who check and double check before they publish their story. But they do have the same impact and as such I do think they do have a similar resposibilty. At least when publishing a myth that is very likely to damage the reputation of a company.

tl;dr: Stop naming suspects until the athletes themselves publish their findings.
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 RynoPower was brought into this because their athletes tested positive for banned substances and their athletes said those substances came from supplements. It'd strain credulity if we didn't ask them for comment.

In terms of letting athletes publish their own story, we did give them a platform to give their side, but we'd be abdicating our responsibility as media if that's all we did. We'll of course follow up once we get a verdict from the AFLD.

I'm not sure what your comments about paid advertisement means, we label all sponsored posts and content as such. Nothing from the commercial side has anything to do with our investigative stories, opinions, or reviews. If we didn't mention RynoPower or ask them for comment in relation to their athletes testing positive (presumably from supplements) there would be people claiming we let them off the hook because they're advertisers.

As for not being "real" media, we've got several trained journalists on staff and take our integrity especially seriously with stories like this. We're very aware that careers are on the line and stories like this can have drastic effects on the sport as a whole.
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 @brianpark: Thanks for your response.

I may need to check these earlier articles again but I thought they said they didn't know where the substances came from. If it was "oh yeah, that was from a supplement we've been using" then apparently they do know where it came from and there would be no more guessing.

Yes I do acknowledge that you did give both athletes the opportunity to tell their story early on so that's great. I think that's what needed to be done when the news came out. But that's where it stops. Sure they're both supplied by Ryno so that's the easy catch. But just because they're the easy catch also puts an unfair spotlight on them. What about their coaches, their cooks, doctors? Would you interview them too? Sure they don't typically supply them supplements but then again they do prescribe/supply supplements on an individual basis whereas Ryno supplies bulk. With so many high profile athletes being supplied by Ryno (sponsored or not) and (afaik) no other athlete failing drug tests, is it still so likely that it would be their stuff containing the prohibited substances? Look, I'm not saying their doctors etc are all suspect too now. I'm just saying that we don't know and requiring their most prominent supplier of supplements to defend themselves is unfair. You (as in, Pinkbike) asked Ryno early on "did the prohibited substances come from you" and they said "no, certainly not" so really, that's where it stops. Asking them again doesn't change anything. It just puts them in a negative spotlight once again. As I said, I've never heard of them until the news broke about Richie and Jared.
Not sure how many paying customers they actually have. I suppose most people benefit more from just putting the proper training in, not sit as much and just not eat the bad stuff. So it would be the top athletes who would use supplements (beyond maybe the vit D3, EPA/DHA, magnesium and other stuff most people lack). So if I were a high level athlete (I'm not) and I would need to choose my supplier of supplements, I would obviously not want something with prohibited supplements that would get me busted and make all the hard work and effort pointless. So yeah I can imagine this news has cost Ryno a good few customers. It has damaged the company. And that may be acceptable if they're actually guilty but until now, there is no evidence that they are.
My comment about "real" media wasn't necessarily meant to be negative though I get that it obviously came across as such. It is just that whenever you (me, anybody...) gets information from somewhere you check the source and then decide how many grains of salt need to be added. I do realize that this may not go for everyone (considering apparently elections seem to be influenced by troll posts on social media and these trolls are considered a serious problem as such, instead of the people who actually read and believe these) but, depending on the contents of the article, PB doesn't rank particularly high. Not troll-like low by any means, but more than a few times it deserves a couple of double checks. Especially if it starts with "it doesn't take a Sherlock Holmes to realize that...", you know it is typically wrong. Which is acceptable if it doesn't harm anyone. In this case though, I do think it was harmful. Not sure how it works in Canada. I do know in the US it is "guilty until proven innocent" but at least over here (The Netherlands) it is the other way around. A suspect won't be named with the full name until found guilty. And you're not going to require them to defend themselves in public. And in particular, don't require them to suggest a new suspect. In this particular case, PB eventually posed it as a closed question. Why should you? Ryan doesn't know more than you already do about that, why would you need to hear it from a Ryno representative? The only ones who would know are the athletes. You can ask them, they can choose not to tell. But seriously, that's the best you can do. So yeah, that's the code I expect the media to adhere to. You can choose not to follow these ethics, it just drops you down a couple or ranks.

As for the comment about paid advertisement (but also about just giving your personal preference or just to express what you're excited about), I do think you interpreted it differently from what I meant to say. My point was, I have nothing against promoting a product, paid (as in advertised, press release) or not (just your own excitement). I know some of your readers do, especially those on cellphones as it seems like they don't show the grey blocks that say "advertisement" etc. But that may just be a software thing that needs to be sorted. All I meant to say was, I have nothing against putting something/someone in a positive daylight. I just meant to say you need to be very careful not to put something/someone in a negative daylight. Especially if you're not 100% certain they deserve to be in that position. In general, the rule thumb in giving feedback to someone is, you can give only one negative point per two positive points in order for it to land and be accepted. Now obviously you're writing articles, not giving feedback but I'd say something similar applies to when reporting about someone/something. As I mentioned, I didn't know about Ryno until the news broke. Could be me of course but then it sure must go for others too. I only learned about them because of the failed drug test and I think that's not fair.

So yeah I didn't meant to be particularly negative towards Pinkbike in general. I think there is some good stuff you're doing and I appreciate that. In this particular case, I do appreciate that you did give the athletes a platform to tell their side of the story and I understand and appreciate that you can be excited about a product/service/athlete whether you're paid for that or not. What I disapprove of in this case is that the negative publicity Ryno gets for coincidentally being the supplement supplier for these two athletes is disproportionate. Their business thrives on trust their high level athletes have in them and damaging that trust based on mere speculation isn't fair.

tl;dr: Good on you. This was a response to @brianpark to set a few things straight and make sure we understand each other correctly. I wanted to be complete here so sorry I couldn't make it any shorter.
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 If only current government officials could be as honest and straight-forward in their answers as this guy. I knew nothing about Ryno power, but like these guys a lot now.
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 Proud to be a rynopower athlete, good to see these answers cleared up.

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