Is This the New Santa Cruz Nomad?

Apr 6, 2017
by Mike Kazimer  
Prototype

The current iteration of the Santa Cruz Nomad debuted back in 2014, ushering in the next generation of pedalable, long travel all-mountain bikes. Now, thanks to a shot supplied by an eagle-eyed reader, it looks like the next version is on the way.

This unmarked bike's carbon frame looks like the love child of the current Nomad and a V10, with a split seat tube, and a rocker link that's noticeably longer than the previous version – perhaps in order to eke out even more travel. With the bike flipped upside down it's tough to judge exactly how much standover room there is, but it's not a stretch to imagine that the bike would be designed to work with the latest crop of longer travel dropper posts. It's also nice to see that there's enough room for a full size water bottle in the front triangle.

Santa Cruz Nomad review
Santa Cruz V10C review test
What happens when you combine these two bikes?

The image isn't clear enough to suss out all of the details, but that Fox shock looks a little different, with what looks like a much larger rebound dial than the miniscule knob found on the Float X. As far as wheel size goes, I'd put my money on 27.5, but who knows - maybe a monster big wheeler is on the way too.


312 Comments

  • 828 36
 looks identical to something id never buy.
  • 49 3
 I'm going to use this. Don't fret though because full credit to you will be honored.
  • 36 5
 Apparently there is no gearbox
  • 32 5
 I think we can end this right now..... This guy said what we were all thinking.
  • 22 1
 :mic-drop:
  • 14 2
 @mixmastamikey-best comment ever
  • 6 1
 No thanks
  • 20 6
 its not, because they still havent fixed that damned cable routing. go down the BB and thru the lower stays, is that too much for your engineers ?!
  • 3 0
 that's what she said about them old mules
  • 11 2
 @MmmBones: that shock will get covered in shit. Current version is better.
  • 2 0
 @viatch: amen!!!!
  • 9 5
 Looks like seat angle is as slack as the head angle. Nevermind the offset, in the end we'll end up again with a real SA of 72° at full seat post extension, which was ok in 10 years ago but frames grew of about 10cm for a same size in the meantime, giving us the same position as an XC frame when seating.... If you extend the reach, steepen the seat angle. At least a few european brands understood that.
  • 10 0
 @EnduroManiac: You can get all that from a wonky upside-down pic? Not saying you're necessarily wrong, but that's some detailed conclusions
  • 21 0
 They engineered everything aroud that bottle cage...
  • 1 0
 "props already given"... Dangit
  • 5 0
 I don't get it. Why?
  • 3 0
 @jaame: you should really ride somewhere new if your riding through shit all the time...
  • 245 5
 Australian spy shot? Interesting...
  • 367 4
 are all pictures from the lower hemisphere upside down?
  • 291 3
 Sorry, I think you might have said something about Australia, but I'm not very good at reading upside down
  • 61 7
 Great, now we are creating bikes that don't come with rear wheels - when's it going to stop !
  • 260 1
 @HaydenOpperman: ¿ɹǝʇʇǝq sᴉɥʇ sᴉ uǝpʎɐH ʎɹɹos
  • 57 0
 Looks like the result of a Nomad 3 and GT's unprotected one night stand..
  • 25 3
 @HaydenOpperman: ¿ʇxǝʇ lɐɯɹou pɐǝɹ oʇ ɹǝʇndɯoɔ ɹo ǝuoɥd ɹnoʎ dᴉlɟ ʇsnɾ noʎ ʇ,uop
  • 51 2
 @Axxe: Wait, I'm an american and your message was upside down on my screen. Should I blame Russia?
  • 25 2
 @Waldon83: It uses SuperDuperBoost 177. The wheels aren't available yet.
  • 28 1
 @Waldon83: "...with patented new Front Wheel Only (FWO) technology"
  • 6 2
 @dirtworks911: Must have been one Helion of a night.
  • 5 5
 @dirtworks911: It was Trump. He just made comments upside down again
  • 4 0
 Also, Did anyone notice the wacked out Fox Float X shock on it?! That's sooo 2018.
  • 5 1
 How do you do that upside down text? It's awesome!

Really, how do you do it?
  • 3 0
 @Waldon83: its 2017..... where is my rocket pack and hoverboard?
  • 2 0
 @Fattymcbutterpants: I'm all about progressing the sport, but we already have unicycles, this is a unicycle with excess frame and components.... maybe it's aimed at Enuniduro riders?
  • 38 0
 @jaame: Just flip your keyboard when typing.
  • 7 0
 @Axxe: i tried that but the screen auto rotates every time
  • 8 0
 @jaame: bummer.
  • 9 0
 @dirtworks911: computer text is not affected by gravity therefore you have to type in the orientation of the receiving country, that's why it looks upside down to you; turning your screen 90 degrees before sending emails to countries on the equator is also recommended (this msg was typed upside down)
  • 3 0
 @HaydenOpperman: You are a genius.
  • 2 1
 Come on spill the beans. Does anyone know how to do it?
  • 6 1
 @jaame: You just have to turn your keyboard upside down.
  • 2 0
 @j-t-g: ?taht od uoy did woh ,tiaW
  • 62 1
 Does the upside down picture make me happy? No, mad.
  • 2 0
 makes me dizzy
  • 54 0
 www.youtube.com/watch?v=JaC_UOsnRRQ Skip to 9 minutes in the video, there is a very similar design from a while back that was never put into production. Maybe this isn't their first attempt at this build...
  • 10 1
 intense tested some proto tracers ''v10 style''... pardon ''m16 style''... before launch the definitive '17 tracer.. have Santa and Intense got the same develop. lab?
  • 1 1
 I watched that video the other day and wondered whatever happened to that mule!
  • 5 0
 @cauboi: and intense still has some new dh bikes 29&275 that will be seen this year.
  • 1 1
 @cauboi: in 2015 Palmer was racing on a proto Intense Socom with the same "m16 style"
  • 3 0
 @cthorpe: I lusted a lot about that Socom. Let's hope the most effective VPP version gets finally scaled down to shorter travel bikes.
  • 1 1
 @jrocksdh: Proof or it's not true...these manufacturers are popping out new frames all over the place.
  • 1 0
 @jrocksdh: Don't mention 29 DH bikes, it's dangerous.
  • 2 0
 @cauboi: uhm...yes Big Grin that's how the VPP was further developed into mainstream Wink tha system of the bike in the photo is very similar vpp that you could find on the V10, M9 and M16
  • 1 0
 @Bruccio: I know all the fairytale about Santa Intense partnership, my question is about ''secretplans'' they already have same plans for the future?
  • 3 0
 @jrocksdh: affordable and alloy would be better eheh
  • 1 0
 @cauboi: i don't think i follow you, my fellow italian ?_?
  • 57 8
 Thats a lot of re configuring the frame design just to fit in a larger water bottle. I like the design of the previous gen better.
  • 20 19
 I couldn't agree more. I never ride with a bottle and as much as I love Santa Cruz I sure wouldn't be be buying an ugly bike to fit one.
  • 24 22
 Yeah, why design a 170mm bike around a water bottle.
  • 139 28
 Because many people ride with a water bottle and if you design a bike that almost fits one then it may be worth it spend some extra time and actually fit one... it's like 1st grade math. Not everyone has a Pinkbike account which means not everyone is a total bad ass genius bro that bro rips the bro gnar that is so no enduro but bro gravity bro expert DH bro, cuz enduro too homo so no, bro need no water bottle cuz bro wants handling bro to send it bro. Do you even 50 lift days bro?
  • 6 2
 I'd guess the old one was designed around a water bottle. Wouldn't the V10 have the ideal shock placement?
  • 27 5
 "Whoa, look at the bottle on that one!" - Hydrophilic XC- Rider
  • 29 4
 Modern bikes are a packaging exercise. Everyone needs to drink and packs put the weight in the worse place and make you sweat even more. Look what a mess this thing looks then imagine it with a tube etc taped to it as well. Now go and look at a 17 Enduro. Say what you like about Specialized but they piss on everyone in the packaging department.
  • 7 1
 design a bike around a beer bottle, a steadyswat something, and i'll give you my respect, for years
  • 7 6
 @WAKIdesigns: mind=blown
  • 6 8
 @WAKIdesigns: Best reply Eveeeeeeeerrrrr!!!!!!!!!!!!! For now
  • 6 4
 I agree. I feel like there s too much "useless space "in the frame, like cannondale's new jekyll
  • 6 5
 @WAKIdesigns: bro, well said, bro
  • 3 2
 I am jealous of the sweet stash spot on the specialized
  • 8 0
 They actually reconfigured the frame to use a lower link driven shock. The upper link driven variant had too little support in the mid travel and depended too much on the shock tune. Joe G himself acknowledged it in an interview maybe five years ago.
  • 5 1
 @WAKIdesigns: but from a different bro perspective there is the much wanted low centre of gravity ...and any way one makes a toodle bike more bro specific is a plus .. This bike gets a pass actually.. Real bro's under stand frame strengths and weaknesses ..You shouldn't be so hard on the bro stereo type. Most of them are good people..
  • 4 0
 @WAKIdesigns: yup. I also got rid of my pack like a lot of people. Just frame stored tools, a tube in my pocket, and a water bottle now. Riding​ is so much more fun now.
  • 5 0
 @creativefletch:

Everybody's wrong, it's not the new bromad, it's the new Endubro... Or maybe the new Kona Brocess....
  • 5 0
 @Wouldhaveletmego and @WAKIdesigns: Serious question and not an argument -- I understand where you're coming from and why you would want a water bottle, but what do you do on longer rides lasting more than an hour or so? A water bottle can only hold so much. I know on rides like Porcupine Rim in Moab, I'll drain an entire 2-liter Camelbak bladder easily. A 24-ounce water bottle won't cut it. Even on one of my favorite local rides, the climb is like an hour long. On hot days, I'll go through that bladder.

So I guess that's why it doesn't bother me if a frame won't fit a bottle. It's just more practical for me to wear a pack. I honestly don't even notice it -- doesn't affect my riding at all.
  • 7 1
 @TheR: off course it won't cut it, that's why you nedd 2 bottle mounts.

No just kidding. I don't know why but I suddenly developed dislike to back packs, I just hate them jumping on my back. They are a necessity for longer rides on a hot day off course but I rarely have a chance to do such ride. Most of my rides last for 1,5h and temperatures on west coast of Sweden rarely exceed +30C and we are under +20 for at least 10 months in the year. When I went for a 5h ride in Italy at 35C I drank at least 4litres. Had 2 litres in the reservoir and filled up in refuges.
  • 8 2
 @farmageddon: most of people are good people. Even those who have a tendency to label something as "LAME" even though a large portion of people who share the same passion find it great. They just are good people who say stupid shit on a particular subject and it got noticed in a particular social arrangement. If you said, plus tyres are for losers in the woods and nobody would hear it, nothing would happen. Say it on family dinner and... I don't give a flying damn if you know how to service a Reverb, got KOM on Top of the World, built a floating shock frame from graphene - if you cannot grasp that many people do want bottle mount or plus tyre clearance and lacking one can easily mean a lot of unsold frames for a company, and get out of your way to laugh at it - then sorry, to many people, you will come out as a douche bro.

#waterbottleshaming
  • 2 1
 @WAKIdesigns: hmmm.. I guess my point is lost in there some where... Here is my polished point... #waterbottleshaming #waterbottleshamingshaming see........ where once there was one douche there are now two... and the crazy part is the second guy knows better.. You can't have a war on wars.. it defeats the purpose.. and you can't beat a douche .. they are usually literally better then you and most certainly always figuratively better then you .... its whats defines one as a douche.. anyways.. i sound like a parent or something.. Power to the douches.. Power to the nerds , the hipsters , the trolls and anybody else in the war on shame.. you all can do it.. you can win... you got this.. keep @ it..
  • 1 0
 @mehukatti: Yeah why? I want a 140mm bike designed around a beer bottle.
  • 3 0
 @farmageddon: please don't get me into meta douche-bagging. There is enough people riding with water bottles and the thing itself is useful enough and perfectly harmless to those who don't want it, to not see it as a reason to point fingers... if you put ceramic pulleys on your XTR Di2 I may call you a douche in my thoughts and I may even whisper to my friend "douchebaaaag", but I would never make a big deal out of it. But show me a roadie saying disc brakes are dangerous and I will get Tourettes: idiot, moron, imbecile, cock sucking twat that came out of blue waffle infected by a herpes wart of a soft dick of a retarded wanker!!!
  • 1 0
 On my bronson the bottle "tit" kept switching the shock into lock mode ... not fun when you are going down and suddenly you have a hard-tail :O
  • 1 0
 @dindi: consider that if you had Bronson with CTD damper it would not be the fault of the bottle... Bronsons and 5010 felt like sht faced single pivots from 2005 with that crap from Fox. I had to run my Blur in locked all the time otherwise it would go through its little travel like a crack addicted hooker through a bag of blow. There was no good setting for these and I even PUSHed that crap
  • 1 0
 Water bottle holders are the fastest to access place for bear spray canisters.
  • 62 32
 Actuating the shock on the lower link makes for a MUCH better leverage curve, without the regressive-progressive hammock in the middle of the stroke. It also makes it suck far less when paired with an air shock. Maybe in this Nomad, VPP won't stand for Very Poor Purchase.
  • 52 12
 Are you basing this on test riding SC bikes or do you think you know that they are a "very poor purchase" based on "analyzing" the design? I get to ride lots of bikes, and help people demo bikes and most people instantly click with the SC vpp bikes. Cue the next comment about not agresive beginner riders liking them but not bad ass riders who understand the engineering of full suspension bikes. Sorry for the rant.
  • 31 5
 @robway: not agresive beginner riders liking them but not bad ass riders who understand the engineering of full suspension bikes
  • 4 1
 @robway: there is no question that there has been some questionable curves with VPP bikes that run the link off the top, and SC has done several things over the years to improve it. . vorsprungsuspension.com/blogs/news/17562332-how-well-will-the-corset-work-with-my-frame
  • 2 1
 I have had a Mk1 and Mk2 Nomad.
The Mk2 with standard link and push link (with RC4).
The Mk2 with a push link, -2 angleset and Totem coil up front is a mountain slaying machine, if a little on the heavy side.

I do prefer to ride my modified Mega Tr most of the time even though the Nomad is far more capable. Might be that the Nomad feels a little too easy to ride and I like the risk of the smaller bike....
  • 7 0
 @robway: FWIW, I had a fairly hard time getting an air shock to feel right on my MK3 Nomad. I had to switch to a coil shock before things felt "right". That said, I don't know if it had to do with whatever Laz is saying, but I would like the next gen to be a bit more sorted in that regard.
  • 12 2
 @robway: A fair question. I've demo'd a fair number of VPP bikes, including the current-gen Nomad and Bronson, though I haven't owned one. My riding impression has consistently been that they're harsh and chattery over small bumps and not particularly supportive in the mid-stroke. It's not a combo easy to fix with damper tuning and an air spring, and the reason so many Nomad owners find it's transformed with a coil. I think SC is a pretty rad company that makes well-built frames with good geometry, and I'd love to be able to consider them in the future. With a more V10-like linkage arrangement, I would.
  • 6 0
 @lazarus2405: current Bronson is actually pretty linear, the leverage rate change is less than 10% over the full stroke
  • 4 0
 @Creg: That's about the best you can do with a counter-rotating link design driven from the upper link. It's fairly linear but has little progression. Ultimately the design is compromised unless you drive the shock off the lower link. Adding a coil to anything is the ultimate fix-all isn't it? Look at the kinematics of some of the DH bikes we used to ride. Some were pretty bad and would have been laughable with air springs.

I also agree with Lazarus2405 that they're not the best with small bump and also have too much anti-squat IMO. Some people like bikes like that though. Usually big guys who pedal like they're crushing beer cans.
  • 1 1
 @justincs: What am I looking at fella? That's not a good example of leverage rate is it?

Slash looks to be about as good as it currently gets IMO 4.bp.blogspot.com/-djPgdxyaR3Y/V-KYeYAuwfI/AAAAAAAAaTc/Ef8oR9YrEzMPYot7Z1OJfSdibep2q2HiQCLcB/s1600/Trek%2BSlash%2B29%2527%2527%2BHigh%2B2017_LevRatio.gif
  • 8 1
 Last nomad kicked ass with the right shock setup
  • 4 6
 @lazarus2405: all you are saying is either you don't have the patience for proper suspension setup or you don't know your a*shole from a shock pump. The initial stroke is regresisve therefore extremely supple unless it's not setup right.
  • 9 1
 @poozank:
a progressive initial-to-mid stroke will give a supple initial stroke, you've got it backwards. There's two things at play, damping and spring curve. The changing leverage rate affects both.

When the leverage ratio starts low, then goes high (regressive, like a nomad) you have more damping at the start of the stroke than in the mid stroke because the shock is moving a lot at the start compared to the middle. This makes it harsh on the top and blowy through the middle.

With a low leverage ratio at the start of the stroke your wheel doesn't have very much leverage over the shock, so the spring force is only decreased by a small multiplier at the wheel. Which is why the initial wheel force on a nomad is high and it adds to the harshness. Then the leverage ratio is high in the middle, so the shock force results in a comparatively low force at the wheel through the middle of the stroke. Blowy in the middle.
  • 6 0
 @AgrAde: I once paid $20 for "Blowy in the middle"
  • 5 0
 @justincs:
Good deal! Was it a tallboy or Juliana?
  • 8 0
 @AgrAde: Juliana with a scarf covering her adam's apple....
  • 1 0
 @AgrAde: photosynthesis.
  • 2 0
 My sb66 which supposedly infringed on vpp patent was also harsh over small bumps and had non-supportive midstroke. Made for good XCing, but sent two shocks to avalanche, both made the bike a lot more linear. I'd highly recommend a speed sensitive damper for anyone having similar issues as mine.
  • 1 1
 p>@robway: A lot of strike>riders/strike> commenters on here seem to consider themselves suspension engineers after they watch enough YouTube videos./p>
  • 3 1
 @PullMyBrakeLever: You ride a Santa Cruz don't you?
  • 3 1
 @jclnv: I've owned a couple of VPP bikes as well as other various designs including high single pivot, FSR and DW Link. I'm not defending VPP in this discussion as much as saying that comments like the one above (@lazarus2405) are made by people who's knowledge in suspension kinematics and rate curves comes from dubious sources. Source: I'm a mechanical engineer and I spend a fair amount of time analyzing kinematics and rate curves and I would not consider myself an expert by any stretch of the imagination.
  • 1 0
 @PullMyBrakeLever: Oh come on it's really not that complex it? I'm far from understanding everything but you can get a long way with just understanding the Linkage graphs. Lazarus2405 is correct regarding the upper link driving the shock with counter rotating links. It's difficult to end up with ideal leverage rate curves in longer travel bikes using that method.

Don't forget when Honda made the RN01 they used guys from their automotive vehicle dynamics dept and look what suspension design they came up with... There's a lot of marketing around.
  • 1 0
 @jclnv: @lazararus2405 is correct about the general rate curve behavior. I disagree that this makes a VPP bike necessarily bad with an air shock.
  • 2 0
 @PullMyBrakeLever: Yes but is it ideal? We're this far down the road with suspension and we're still using designs that are at least 50% marketing relative to others. Ratio, rate, squat, rise. That's it. They should all be standardized by now so we can bolt on any shock and judge it's characteristics independently of the suspension. If we're having to run custom tunes (SC aren't the only culprits here) or use coils to get the things to work you know something isn't right.
  • 36 2
 The new Santa Cruz Nomad - It'll turn the world upside down.
  • 34 4
 Judging by the lack of a color you would see in a bag of skittles, I would say that it can't possibly be a Santa Cruz.
  • 7 8
 Test bikes are most often either white or black. Production versions will see color variations.
  • 35 1
 You can buy white skittles.
  • 7 0
 @Quinn-39: how am i supposed to avoid the rotten cantaloupe flavored tropical skittle if they all look the same?
  • 1 0
 @sk133872: fingers crossed?
  • 22 3
 Clearly all those whining about SC current rear suspension haven't spent a good deal of time on the current Nomad or Bronson. That being said, super excited about the new model!
  • 5 0
 Current Bronson rider, did a downhill podium and 3,000 feet back to back. With a Topaz or X2 the thing would be insanity in the flesh.
  • 3 0
 Uh, I'm critical of the current suspension and I own a nomad 3. I bought it because it's strong and slack, and was one of the few frames in 2015 that had a short enough seat tube while still having an acceptable reach. I didn't buy it for the VPP. It's no secret that it's choppy off the top and wallowy in the middle. Still a great bike, but you've gotta work around the suspension a bit. Driving the shock from the bottom link will make for a much more supple top end and consistent ramp-up through the stroke. Can't wait to give this one a go.
  • 15 2
 weird gravity defying one wheeled bike...
  • 6 1
 I own a 16' Uzzi VPP is by far the best suspension design I have ridden. I've had a single pivot Bullit, Foes FXR, and a Horst Link 2014' Enduro. In my opinion it feels like the sweet spot between single pivot, and Horts Link. The Uzzi climbs similar to a single pivot and descends 90% as good as the Horst Link Enduro. I'm completely sold on VPP. I'd be stoked to try this new Nomad. There's no conspiracy to screw consumers. Standards are evolving. Technology advances through innovation. You really want to go back to hard tails and rigid forks? No one is forcing anyone to buy anything.
  • 10 2
 MOAR travel. MOAR, need moar travel. it's not my fault it's the bike...
  • 8 0
 Dig it, please paint it up 90s.
  • 6 0
 Who cares how it looks, if it ends up ripping harder then every other bike in its class.... But that we will have to wait to see.
  • 5 2
 Not too sure about these designs just because of the mud that will constantly be slung at the shock. How can this be a good thing? Haven't seen anything on the market that will deflect all the mud and clunge headed toward the stanchion with this frame design.
  • 2 0
 Exactly. That is why I would never buy another bike that didn't have the shock in the front triangle.
  • 1 0
 Yep. I'd never buy a bike that puts the shock in the mud fling zone. Might work great for people in dryer regions though.
  • 4 1
 You know, let's just accept that the bike company that has had time to test and design this bike for how many years knows what they're doing. They have some of the best riders in the world giving them input and they're masters of bike making so let's just assume the bike is awesome.
  • 5 3
 Why the designers think about the possition of the rear suspension that bad...mud, water, dirt... directly to the piston ...terrible !!! so, the bike looks just for sponsored riders, for the "normal" unreal to hold maintain and pay every year the new chassis...
  • 5 1
 If the benefits more for a lower center of gravity and a better suspension kinematics, they will take it even if it makes it right in the way for mud. But as this is still a prototype and they're riding it in the desert it wouldn't be a surprise if it came fitted with a mudguard as standard (take Commencal Supreme V4.2 or any Propain). But it looks quite production ready as carbon molds aren't cheap.
  • 3 1
 Can't imagine how a mud gaurd would work on this design. It doesn't seem possible to mount one without it getting in the way when the suspension actuates.

I'm skeptical of the better suspension kinematics too. The same shock ratio rate and curve can be accomplished with a variety of alternatives. At this point, designing a unique look is the hard part of bike design. Suspension rates are easily tuned. That and choosing a chainline/pivot arrangement to dial in pedal interaction. Shock placement and rates are child's play compared to that.
  • 1 0
 @dfiler: this^^^
  • 2 0
 This is clever. They'll only going to decide what rear wheel they're going to fit just before it hits the shops, just to not be trapped by some old standard. Or it will be like pedals. If you buy a complete bike now, you only need to add the pedals and a rear wheel.
  • 2 0
 2 questions :

Can anyone make out the wheel size? - the down tube looks 'roomy' akin to a few other 29er enduros.

What is the fork? It looks long but it says "fit4" and it has a generic fox decal where it usually says the model.....

Thoughts?
  • 7 2
 All the BS aside..... ^^ This Is Sick!!! Can't wait to see more!
  • 1 0
 The first Nomad prototype from back in the day was like this. But they didn't want it to feel too downhill oriented, so they scrapped that concept and went with the one we know and love. I saw a video on youtube the other day, a tour of the Santa Cruz premises, they spoke of it, and showed it.
  • 2 0
 Here's a link to a vid from YouTube, which shows, and tells the story of the original prototype Nomad. Which was meant to be like this.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=JaC_UOsnRRQ
  • 1 0
 @thegringo: nice! good find!
  • 1 0
 Funny to see, that they weren't so happy with it from the very beginning: www.youtube.com/watch?v=JaC_UOsnRRQ
At minute 10 you see the very first prototype which didn't convinced the testers because of bad performance so they went away from the v10 style... and now the bring it back? Why?
  • 1 0
 i think maybe the sport has gone a different direction now. enduro was not as hot as hit is now. the blend between DH and enduro is becoming more and more. and back then maybe they did not see it. but now they do..... i don't know. its such a fast evolving area of MTB..... pretty exciting.
  • 3 0
 I've already seen some pics of the new Nomad with some not-looking-good colors. Yes it is sure look the same to the one in this article and this is your new Nomad.
  • 1 0
 Care to elaborate? Colors or other new features?
  • 1 0
 awe man... loved the idea of it being a enduro version of the V10 (best DH bike ever!). but i do hate the look of that top mount! they need to clean that umpire like the current nomad. regardless I'm pretty sure I'm going to be first in line to buy one of theses bad boy. as long as they don't tack another few G notes on the price tag!!!!!

mantis a good time to ride MTB!!!!!!!! Boooosh!!!!
  • 3 0
 Thing is so light it'll just defy gravity and float away, good thing that rock was there to catch it.
  • 13 12
 I'm and admitted Santa Cruz fan boy but this thing looks gross ascetically. But if it rides good and you keep your eyes closed when getting on and off I guess that's all that matters.
  • 6 2
 Idk, the lower the shock is in the frame the better looking they usually are.
  • 16 3
 How do we know this isn't an intense or other VPP bike prototype? Why did we jump to SC? Is there something I am missing?
  • 10 19
flag MasterSlater (Apr 6, 2017 at 12:51) (Below Threshold)
 @zepper:

Just my opinion here, but I think that Santa Cruz bikes are some of the least aesthetically pleasing bikes out there, except for the V10 which I find sexy AF.

Otherwise, they're less than inspiring in the looks departmenr.

That being said, if I could make love to my 5010, I would. It's my all-time favorite bike, and the reason my next bike will undoubtedly also be a Santa Cruz.
  • 3 2
 @zepper: That rear triangle is distinctly Santa Cruz styled. Probably directly off a current gen nomad
  • 5 0
 @zepper: SC chainstay protector, same white as Nomad3 proto was 3 years ago, alu prototype of the same bike shown at SC factory, etc. What we see is the final version aesthically because it's carbon.
  • 4 0
 @zepper: because the new intense lineup was just made. Santa Cruz on the other hand is 3 years into their current nomad, an amount of time that, when studying their history of releasing bikes, means they're very much due for an update.
  • 4 0
 @zepper: The rear triangle is the give away. Same dropouts, chainstay guard, and the pivot bolts on the upper arm are all the same as the current production.
  • 14 1
 Ascetics don't ride mountain bikes anyway.
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 @zepper: I would assume the "spy" shot was submitted with some information about who was riding the bike, ie: a Santa Cruz employee, but Pinkbike isn't saying.
  • 4 2
 Ascetically - adj.Relating to, characteristic of, or leading a life of self-discipline and self-denial, especially for spiritual improvement. Nice try.....but no cigar.
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 @MasterSlater: I agree ..Just not as shapely as I'd like..
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 @mehukatti: That white is actually an industry practice to make cracks on carbon more visible. You learned something today!
  • 4 1
 I accidentally read "Ascetically" in Watchmen's comment as "aesthetically" so I was going to say something but realized I just read too quickly and now am stuck with an irrelevant comment. :/
  • 1 0
 @pedrosalas7: similar, but definitely not off of the current generation Nomad. Notice the lack of a vertical brace at the front of the swingarm.
  • 2 1
 @MasterSlater: The 5010 looks almost identical to most of the trail bikes in their line up, so how can you not like the others?
  • 1 1
 That should be how you pick a girlfriend too
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 @leon-fofar:

Because I DON'T love how the 5010 looks, I love the way it rides. There are more attractive, more aesthetically pleasing bikes out there.

So funny how my previous comment got the fanboys all neggy-proppy!
  • 2 0
 @seraph: I thought the same thing but look really close and you will see that piece is one sided. You can see the corner it makes hiding behind the seatpost area. Just the non drive side has it. Probably for clearance issues.
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 @ScandiumRider: I doubt the would purposely release a photo upside down and missing a wheel
  • 2 0
 " But if it rides good and you keep your eyes closed when getting on and off I guess that's all that matters." - this comment without context is pure gold.
  • 3 1
 We saw a similar shock setup on a test mule before the last generation of Nomads were released, they have obviously been playing with this concept for some time.
  • 8 3
 NEWMAD!
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 BROMAD.
  • 2 0
 @tgent: LOL! that's what i named my bronson.
  • 4 0
 NEWMAN!!!
  • 5 2
 That top pivot point near the seat looks like it can scissor a ball right off when compressed -ouch!
  • 4 0
 "with the balls this bike give u might need a bigger link to chop them off" - pay me later santa cruz marketing derpartment
  • 1 0
 More motivation to keep your ass off the seat i guess. lol
  • 5 1
 The cable routing looks wonky. I wish I was in Moab right now.
  • 1 0
 no doubt!!!! I'm headed down there in a few weeks!!! hopefully i can snag a few shots of this thing!!!
  • 5 1
 I think it looks wicked. Something different than the carbon vp free look
  • 1 1
 I didnt get to read all of the comments so I might be repeating someone but I saw this video a few days ago and watched it and they had this same design in alloy. And the video was uploaded last year

www.youtube.com/watch?v=JaC_UOsnRRQ
  • 3 0
 That frame looks carbon. That usually means it is very close to production.
  • 2 0
 Are you sure that's a Santa Cruz? Maybe someone else is using the VPP technology now that the patent is expired and anyone can use it!!!
  • 1 0
 look at that wrapped rear triangle... that has Santa Cruz written all over it Smile
  • 1 0
 Its surprising they can't make the bottom pivot and swingarm strong enough to remove the upper suspension all together. Sure would look clean...and yes like a modern day RM7.
  • 1 0
 You know that VPP kinda needs the upper link to work, right?
  • 1 0
 @strasznyzbigniew: Kinda thought they could go a similar direction that Evil did
  • 1 0
 it looks very similar to one of their old nomad "test mules" almost identical actually except this one is carbon and more refined. maybe they are revisiting the design?
  • 2 0
 I doubt that would be a Nomad as the float x2, vivid dhx2, and a vivid air wouldn't seem to fit in that bike.
  • 8 9
 I took this picture. Pinkbike: respect an EMBARGO. Who benefits from publishing this other than your ad revenue? SC still has bikes to sell and you're stressing some friendships out unduly. Slow your roll and think about your community before hitting enter.
  • 8 3
 why did you take the pic in the first place? have you heard of the internet before?
  • 5 3
 Are you suggesting that these pics / articles should not be published? seems like a disservice to the readers. Bros will get over it, they just need to hug it out.
  • 5 4
 @cmcrawfo: these bros run the businesses that create the rigs that fuel your stoke. PB is undercutting their biz. This is the equivalent of tabloids -- trash practice. Their are times media releases for riders and readers to learn
  • 4 2
 @parallaxid: I took the picture because it was a sunny day, Jim
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 @ipattis: I call Bull shit. Its been happening for ever. and big surprise, new bikes come out every year. when manufacturers start to control the media, I will be worried (or just get my media from elsewhere).
  • 4 2
 @ipattis: Honestly, if you want to be upset, be upset with yourself. If we learned nothing from Guantanamo Bay, it's if you didnt want people knowing about, you shouldn't have taken a picture.
  • 5 3
 if you took this photo, presumably you shared it with someone who posted it on mtbr last night (Im assuming you didnt post it on mtbr). so if you didnt want it getting out, why did you share it with someone else?
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flag ipattis (Apr 6, 2017 at 15:57) (Below Threshold)
 @sooner518: yeah I shared it with a friend, yeah I am at fault, yeah PB just ran with it because they can and have no integrity
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 @ipattis: Obviously you aren't the brightest peanut in the turd, but let me try and explain this to you: Blaming PB for not having integrity is funny when I am sure the guy riding the bike told you not to take a photo of it, and clearly not share it. PB has to post it because it was already on the internet and other blogs were posting it and PB doesn't want to get left behind. Nice work getting all your bro-brahs in the industry f*cked over though.
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flag ipattis (Apr 6, 2017 at 16:52) (Below Threshold)
 @parallaxid: you sound like a genuinely kind and considerate individual
  • 9 3
 @parallaxid: hey, this is serious business ... because of this, someone at SC is going to have hard time paying for their sprinter conversion, craft beer and moustache wax this year.
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 @ipattis: it was out there before PB posted it. the second it was posted on mtbr, it was out there. people are screenshotting that shit the moment they see it. PB ran with it like 12 hours after it was initially posted.

if you want to blame someone, blame yourself first for sharing it, and your friend second.

lastly, if SC is releasing this at Seat Otter in 2 weeks, i seriously doubt they really care about this leaking. if anything, this just gives them more buzz for the release. id say you (and PB and the other sites who put a single upside-down spyshot on their freaking front page!) did them a nice marketing service by leaking this.
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 @sooner518: yeah dude I blame myself. Not interested in any more troll battling. Night
  • 2 1
 @ipattis: this just makes me want to buy the bike more. You only helped santa Cruz.
  • 3 1
 Personally I'd love to see a "mini V10", same main frame design and vvp... call it the "V7"
  • 2 0
 Yeah, I also think that
  • 2 1
 I like it! If they bump the travel up a tiny bit and give it another -0.5˚ H.A. Then I'd consider replacing my current Nomad v3.
  • 3 0
 Upside down fork from Fox!
  • 2 0
 a wise man once said the nomad wont b kewl enuf til it hav a low link shox mount
  • 2 0
 critisism for a bike besides Specialized and Ellsworth....smack my ass and say it isnt so.
  • 4 2
 Let's hope not for simplicity sake...
  • 4 2
 looks like mongoose or gt
  • 2 1
 @mikekazimer Saracen have a prototype arial with the same linkage as the myst floating around at the moment!
  • 4 2
 It's the prototype of the new Specialized Big Hit.
  • 3 1
 That photo makes me feel sick.
  • 2 0
 Look's more like a new VPfree judging by the amount of travel.
  • 2 0
 It´s the new macbook pro.
  • 3 1
 Bringing back the VP Free? New Bullit maybe?
  • 1 0
 Make VP Free great again Wink
  • 1 0
 @strasznyzbigniew: nice!
  • 2 1
 full size water bottle , major bonus points , fingers crossed they do a 29" version
  • 2 0
 Is this really important Smile
  • 3 1
 water-bottle for Nomad rider ?
  • 2 0
 What's with riding with packs?
  • 2 0
 Has anyone noticed the black stanchion on the Fox fork??
  • 1 0
 They've been around for a while now...
  • 2 0
 Finally something rideabru from SC.
  • 2 0
 That invisible carbon rear wheel is amaze balls!
  • 2 0
 If I can't put a Float X2 on it I don't want it
  • 1 0
 Well, its not like keeping it secret will make a difference; lower, longer, slacker. Wow what a surprise!
  • 1 0
 And they have done some Syndicate team version paint job, that looks rad though.
  • 1 2
 I've been fighting the urge to replace my Nomad with a better geo bike in hopes that the new Nomad arrives... I hope it's arriving!
  • 4 4
 Man I will stick with the 2016 CC. Really don't like this frame and I am a nomad fan.
  • 1 0
 What's that shock? Seems à Fox Float X with a X2 shorter piggyback
  • 6 5
 Once I had a bike like this. But I sold it, because I didn't like it.
  • 2 0
 Best comment yet. so much detail and emotion.... i love it. lol
  • 1 0
 Looks like is has post mount brakes. Has Santa Cruz ever done post mount?
  • 2 0
 enduro bottle cage!
  • 1 0
 Do you even enduro bro? Camelbaks are so not enduro Smile
  • 1 0
 Could this be the new Trek I mean..'hyper' enduro bike?
  • 1 0
 Oh,look! That's the new unicycle from Santa Cruz.
  • 1 0
 They built it upside down... and they forgot the back half of it.
  • 3 2
 New Nomad
You Are Ugly M####r F####r.
  • 1 1
 love that they made the front triangle big enough to fit a normal water bottle
  • 1 0
 Não vejo a hora de pedalar essa máquina...parabéns ao criador...
  • 1 0
 Why a Nomad? Maybe is a new V6, or v5...
  • 1 0
 Mira los tirantes del cuadro, se nota que es Santa Cruz
  • 1 0
 @torero: No, yo decia algo así como "por que llamarlo Nomad, si puede ser una version light del V10"
  • 1 1
 The bottle cage is in a better spot though! That's all that matters to be honest...
  • 1 0
 um... not sure about that design...
  • 1 0
 looks like I'll buy another pro pack and bearings...
  • 1 0
 New Intense !? 250/165 r 160/180 f bike in the works?
  • 1 0
 Nomad-der what you all say I can see this bike being awesome, can't wait!
  • 2 0
 My comment? Meh...
  • 1 0
 Weird the black lever going into the void....
  • 2 0
 Ugly as fuck
  • 1 0
 I think they are bringing back the Driver 8 with this one!
  • 1 0
 Designed with the UKs Peak district mud/grit fest in mind then ?
  • 2 0
 VP-FREE OR DRIVER 27.5"
  • 1 0
 Looks like... I mean Reminds me of the OLD session.........
  • 1 0
 All this arguing and they could have just made it DW
  • 1 0
 Hell no, should have been scrapped!
  • 1 4
 it's not a stretch to imagine that the bike would be designed to work with the latest crop of longer travel dropper posts Fukkin retard statement of the year. Lets design our new iteration around what a dropper post has to offer...
  • 1 0
 Finally a SC Nomad with a super progressive Suspension
  • 1 0
 Similar to gt's shorter travel bikes
  • 1 0
 It looks like a new version of an old prototype bronson or nomad
  • 1 0
 Nomad cross with GT Force style AOS linkage?
  • 1 0
 looks like fun. Where do I apply?
  • 1 0
 This indeed is the new nomad trust me.
  • 6 5
 Look like a GT Force
  • 2 1
 Black uppers
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 I bet it will be overpriced mass produced far eastern frame pretending to be a boutique special
  • 9 3
 Which carbon FS bike worth a damn doesn't fit into that category?
  • 1 0
 @packfill: "worth a damn". I'd consider giving up a damn kidney for one of those 130mm 29er or 160mm enduro bikes from Unno but I'd likely still owe money. Antidote doesn't look too shabby either. Mega boutique.
  • 2 2
 Swingarm is Bronson not nomad
  • 1 0
 Yep +1 .. Bronson has this 2/3rd of a swing-triangle ... I don't like the idea of it much .. though I have a Bronson and a Nomad and none had problems ...
  • 1 0
 Someone's fired.
  • 1 0
 demais....
  • 1 0
 mad change of scenery
  • 1 0
 I hope it's not.
  • 1 0
 looks like 29er wheels ?
  • 1 0
 like GT Force))
  • 1 0
 E-NOMAD??
  • 1 0
 You from Yorkshire?
  • 2 2
 Looks like a (Trek) Session (10) from 2004
  • 2 2
 Why do you need a water bottle in the front triangle!!!! Who gives a feck!
  • 1 0
 #lovesfrontwheel
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 Meh. Call me when you get a picture of the new Following.
  • 4 3
 Gotta love how that Knucklebox design works! I too love bikes that are made with the cheapest carbon layup possible.
  • 1 3
 @lccomz: I've had 3 SC bikes. Not a fan of VPP. DW 4TW.
  • 2 4
 hopefully not because it is ugly...and the shock there is less than ideal to grab all the mud!?
  • 2 3
 looks like a trek session 8
  • 1 1
 looks meh
  • 1 1
 Looks like a GT
  • 6 8
 Finally a SC trail bike with a proper leverage ratio curve!
  • 1 0
 Ya we will see. Nice to see its headed in a cool direction. Stoke level is high!
  • 1 4
 I fucking hope not looks like the shitty GT thingy. plz plz plz don't make your bike look gay.
  • 3 6
 The shock is very prone to get all the shit up.
  • 2 0
 not without a rear wheel
  • 3 6
 No dropper over 125 for that thing.
  • 1 1
 My fear exactly :/
  • 2 5
 It's the Newmad!!
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