Jamie Edmondson Pulls Out of Maribor World Cup Due to Brexit Related Visa Issues

Aug 12, 2021
by James Smurthwaite  

Jamie Edmondson has announced he won't be racing in Maribor this weekend as he was unable to secure a Visa to enter Slovenia.

Previously, British riders could enter Slovenia and the rest of the European Union without any documents beyond their passport but Jamie has fallen foul of new rules following Brexit that restrict the amount of time he can spend in EU countries.

bigquotesDevastated to say that I won’t be racing in Maribor this weekend, Brexit doing Brexit things meant I needed a Visa to get out to Europe which should have been straight forward but with the embassy having never had to do one before meaning 3 applications + 2 different work permits and working on it since the last race it’s still not come through in time so I’ll be sitting this one out. Taking the positives that I’m still healthy and can keep training at home and I’ll see you all at Lenzerhiede.Jamie Edmondson

Just off the podium today for Jamie Edmondson finishing up in 4th.

As Jamie is self-employed, contracted to his team as a freelancer, he was travelling as a tourist and was only allowed to spend 90 days out of 180 Visa-free. As he had been training in Europe in the pre-season and then doubling up racing the World Cups and EWS he exceeded this limit and was left trying to find other ways to gain entry.

Jamie told us, "I had applied for a French long-stay tourist visa knowing I'd need one straight after La Thuile but the first one was denied because I wasn't staying in France for long enough. I reapplied for that, showing I'd be in France for longer but that was denied so the only option was to get an internship Visa with my team manager in Germany but then the Germans changed their mind on what's required to get a work permit.

"It has ended up taking too long as the gap between races is pretty small and you need to give in your passport when you apply so you're stuck in the UK. I tried asking British Cycling and my local member of Parliament for help but neither of them could or would do anything.

"It's all pretty chaotic and with the consulate making it up as they go it's pretty hard to know what to do. In future, I'll have to limit my preseason time in Europe and go further afield and also come home more between races, which isn't great financially or environmentally but that's what it has come to."

Jamie Edmondson found himself a team and rightfully so after Portugal last year. He was not wasting time getting to business today.

Jamie is hoping to return to racing on the continent in early September for the Lenzerheide World Cup round.

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 This is what you get for voting on populist morons.
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 Lol, correct, but Poland voted in Andrzej Duda.
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 @redrook: I was going to say, "But...Duda." But you beat me.
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 You guys have no idea how big is amount of shame I feel for this wanker.
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flag ReeferSouthrland (Aug 12, 2021 at 8:45) (Below Threshold)
 Thanks alot Slow Biden.
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 Reefer is a troll account
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flag ReeferSouthrland (Aug 12, 2021 at 9:05) (Below Threshold)
 nojzilla is a troll account
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 Reefer been dumbing down lots of threads today. Hope he gets banned soon.
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flag ReeferSouthrland (Aug 12, 2021 at 9:24) (Below Threshold)
 @jaydawg69: Opinions hurt the weak minded, you should be banned from mtb
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 @ReeferSouthrland: you are just a troll hiding behind a computer.... weaksauce.
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 @redrook: but we are still in EU Wink Which btw will change if populists win 3rd time in a row...
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 as a citizen of a country that is under the same pull, I can only say that I'm glad Canada's too dependent on my dollars to keep me out of Whistler for much longer. ...but then, only until the next evolution of dumdum populism rears up in, oh, tomorrow...
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flag ReeferSouthrland (Aug 12, 2021 at 11:42) (Below Threshold)
 @jaydawg69: You are just a troll hiding behi d your little computer.
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 Whew, thank goodness for Brexit otherwise GB would have been overrun by evil immigrants because the EU overlords forced them to keep their borders open to Muslim terrorists.

Did that sound stupid? Yeahhhh, people who voted for Brexit fell for that crap. Oh well.
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 @redrook: @redrook: f***, if Poland was made of kingdoms, and one Kingdom would be opposing Duda, i would become the polish William Wallace and drift away from this shithole. You had worse to this point, fair play, but hold our beer. We will get f*cked royally way better than you've ever gotten I'm afraid.
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 It’s funny that there is literally only one Brit (harvUK) and a handful of Americans who try to twist actual reality into Brexit being some kind of good thing.

(I’m a Brit, before anyone starts going there…..)
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 @lkubica: The win will come easy if the push for cutting of Poland from receiving money gains more traction.
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flag malobalo (Aug 12, 2021 at 18:25) (Below Threshold)
 @justanotherusername: you forgot to say you're a brit that doesn't live or want to live in britain. that means not only you have no say but you also shows you have no respect for the MAJORITY in Britain .
actual reality is the majority voted brexit. and the more sad reality is that brits who voluntarily LEFT BRITAIN are criticizing them and calling them names. now THATS sad reality.
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 Welcome to PoliticalBike !
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 @SimonVD: Yes forget your shim stack theory let's hear about some nonsense. Remember when politics and shredding trails did not mix,. I sure AF do.
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 @scott-townes: let me preface by saying I am against Brexit. However I can see how most of UK (aside from Scotland) would vote for it. If Americans were part of a union of north, central and South American countries and felt that some of the countries were taking advantage of the overall wealth (let’s say Peru pays less tax and yet their population enjoys more social services) or America had to abide by a collective judges and laws dictated by other countries I can see how some if not most Americans would want out of the deal at any cost. I think to try to convince folks that in the long run improving the conditions of the union and all countries involved would benefit all, including the wealthy countries is a hard sell, but I believe it to be true.
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 @malobalo: I don't think you know how citizenship works friend. You do not have to live full time or at all in the country you are a citizen in to have a say in it's political climate. And of you read into it, most people who voted leave are in a very hard point of regret because they didn't know what the f*ck situation they were actually going to end up in.
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 @ReeferSouthrland is the Pinkbike bot with advanced AI
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 @malobalo: I ‘forgot’ to say that because I live in England, always have, likely always will - nice rant though - SAD.
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 @redrook: Exactly, we know from experience.
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 @blacktea: Welcome to pinkbike shadule.
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 This is what happens when you let a monkey run a country. Then let monkeys vote.
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 No, this is what you get in a democracy when for too long the massive, amazing benefits of being in Europe didn't get communicated or shared equally. This is what you get when you assume people are morons and take them for granted. Poor Jamie though, what a nightmare.
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 @dirtypants: That's what happens when people vote with their feelings instead of facts. The UK shot itself in the foot economically wise by going all isolationist.
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 @dirtypants: Literally all examples you provided have direct corollaries to the US.

America is a union of states (perhaps we could call them... United?) and some states take far more from the federal budget than they put in.

All states have to abide by federal regulations and judges, often dictated by other states.

Amusingly, the loudest calls to "Brexit" in the US, ie secede, are also the ones that take more than contribute, so yeah, I agree. Convincing people to be a part of a union for the benefit of all is tough.
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 @johnny2shoes: yep. Chickens coming home to roost. Unfortunately.
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 @dirtypants: That you describe is called society. there is obviously a worldwide movement that professes the freedom of the individual by taking it to the extreme (I can choose to get vaccinated, I can choose to follow community rules, etc.). But societies are (and must be) governed by laws that may or may not appeal to the individual. Many politicians have raised this philosophy to entire regions or states (see our Salvini) ... I want the law that pleases me (individual, city, region, state) except to clash with the reality of isolationism
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 Let it out. Just let it out.
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 I need this on a shirt!
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 Agree with drmantistobogganmd but what did Grandma do wrong?
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 I probably wouldn't have put it in ALLCAPS, but it's hard to disagree. Fucking shower of cunts running our country.
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 Take it from somebody living in a country full of conservative racist assholes doing their level best to make us a third world theocracy, I understand your pain.
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 @NoriDori: Voters aged 18-34, 68% vote for remain. Voters aged 35-54, more or less 50/50. Voters aged 55+, 59% vote for Brexit. Over 55 is the largest age group eligible to vote, that's why Grandma deserves to suffer, with the coming cuts to pensions and NHS services she will.
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 @NoriDori: grandma voted for Brexit
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 @NoriDori: all our Grandmas voted leave apparently.
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flag drmantistobogganmd (Aug 12, 2021 at 8:58) (Below Threshold)
 @chakaping: a bath of dicks then a a massage of cum would make me feel cleaner
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 My kids Tory Grandma didnt vote for brexit, so stop shouting rubbish.
It was the disillusioned north that voted leave in little England as well as some farmers and fishermen who voted without really knowing the ramifications of their actions (some just didnt care whatever happened), the traditional labour seats voted leave, dragging the rest of the UK out of Europe and a whole country that voted remain out too (Jamies home country).
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 @betsie: calling out generalisations and then making your own generalisations, we’re all at it. My traditional labour seat didn’t vote for Brexit. I think a better generalisation would be to say that the more money somewhere got from the EU the more inclined it was to vote leave (go figure, North Lincolnshire). Also, the more f*cked it was from Thatchers cuts in the 80s the more likely it was to vote leave. Those people feel left behind and the Etonians exploited it. How those people feel better represented by the tories I’ll never know. Mind you, looks like the tories are starting to loose their traditional votes to the Lib Dem’s in the south, it’s all going arse over tit.
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 @Fix-the-Spade: And all of Scotland voted remain.
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flag harvUK (Aug 12, 2021 at 9:31) (Below Threshold)
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flag harvUK (Aug 12, 2021 at 9:35) (Below Threshold)
 @betsie: scotland are hell bent on leaving the UK which means leaving the EU. If you had won your indy vote then scotland would of been out of the EU years ago because Spain vetoed you staying.
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 @harvUK: Current polling in the UK has the remain vote much higher than leave. So... yeah, f*ck the majority I guess?
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 @harvUK: so HarvUK, do you think its good that racers like Jamie and no doubt many more will be financially poorer off by having to return to the UK to train because they can't spend more than a certain amount of time in the EU? the Pinkbike poll recently found that most riders earn a pretty poor wage for their efforts, Brexits just making things even harder for them right? Obviously we've got control of our borders and loads more money for the nhs though, so swings and roundabouts I guess...
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 @Rucker10: Majority in voting only counts when you vote. polling a 1000 people in a remain area doesnt really count for much which is why voting is so important. we live in a democracy which means that votes, even if you disagree, should be respected otherwise we are no better than a country with a dictatorship.
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 @oatkinso: I think its very unfortunate what has happend for sure but its no different from a rider from the USA or any other non-EU country wanting to compete in Europe. I dont think its wise to say that because one person in one industry is affected by brexit that brexit is a bad idea. the fact of the matter is that it has happend and no matter how annoyed people are its still a done deal.

Best just get on with it and make it the best you can Smile
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 @Rucker10: polls aren't referendums though are they? Most polls are wrong to one degree or another. If they weren't then why would we bother with elections?

Brexit on the whole hasn't worked out amazingly well but it hasn't worked out particularly badly either despite all the whinging. The UK economy remains one of the strongest in the world and they have managed to open up well before other countries due to their autonomy on vaccine purchasing. I'm so sick of hearing from people who talk about the EU as if it is some sort of benevolent actor that only does good and seeks to protect its citizens. The EU is behind some of the dodgiest and most reckless trade agreements in history. Not to mention the actions that the ECB and EU commission took during the last recession against countries like Greece, Ireland, Cyprus, Spain and Italy. There was a recent poll in my country which asked people how much they trusted local politicians (24%) and how much they trusted EU leaders (49%). Why? They can't even name most EU leaders and they know nothing of their background.

There is f*cking no logic to it. The only difference is that people don't follow or understand what goes on in the EU parliament. EU leaders are even more unaccountable than our local politicians and come from exactly the same political bloodlines. Why on earth would they be more trustworthy? The grass is always greener I suppose....

The inability of the average person to use any sort of critical thinking is the biggest problem facing the world.
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 @harvUK: I'm struggling to see any industries that are doing better right now, and I bet Covid's currently just masking how bad Brexits actually going to be. re your point to @rucker10, it should never have been a 50/50 vote because if its a close vote (like it was) its not definitive in the slightest, hence why we have hung parliament's for elections.
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 @oatkinso: I have generally found that remainers will not accept a y argument other than "all brexiteers are retarded little englander idiot xenophobes".

I have had discussions with friends about Brexit and it literally always comes back to them saying how stupid every single person voted for Brexit is. And how all the clever people (like themselves) voted to remain. Generally they tend to know very little about the EU themselves but they sure know that everyone who disagrees with them is really, really stupid and they like to tell them.

Then when the conversation moves on to America they will say exactly the same thing about Trump voters, Orban voters, Le Pen voters, etc, etc. They will then usually talk about how terrible all the polarisation of politics around the world is without even the faintest sense of irony.
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 @Fix-the-Spade: Bang on Sir!
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 @oatkinso: Politics goes around in circles, being liberal is hard as the extremes will always polarise people and get the popular vote.
I mad a "generalisation" based on the published figures and where the majority of the vote sat (lets rename the generalisation as a fact shall we).
The best thing about internet terms and 2021 is the use of the English language to meet your narrative rather than look accept the facts.

You can tell someone allegiance because they will bring up something from 1980 to meet their needs.
I lived through the Thatcher era, you should have trued being Scottish when things were trialled on us first before implementing the down south. The youngsters will hopefully never experience the kind of interest rates from back then, buying your first car, house etc was a nightmare with interest rates.
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 @harvUK: 100% agree.
There is something confusing about the Indy "YES" folk wanting in the EU and pointing to Brexit being a something that Scotland didn't vote for when Indy "YES" meant leaving the EU!

I have never figured that one out yet, I heard neural networks have been working on it on super computers and still cant come up with the answer either Wink
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 @humoroususername: I definitely agree that the high-horsie-ness of the far left does nothing to unite anyone, its completely self defeating like you say. But on Brexit, it was, and it still is very difficult to find people who could give you a reason for voting Brexit that wasn't driven by fear and the danger of the 'foreigner', largely egged on by our right-wing press and Farage (the cowardly little prick). The vast majority of the leave vote was driven by these arguments, so its no surprise that people say it was!
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 @oatkinso: It's naive and prejudicial to say all leave voters are racist, but all the racists did vote leave
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 @Rucker10: In 4 decades I've never been 'polled' in the UK. I don't know anyone who had either.
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 British Tupac?
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 @drmantistobogganmd: "Can you imagine if you let someone else pick a movie to watch then 10 minutes in they got up and left but you still had to stay and watch it? All I'm saying is old people shouldn't get to vote...." - some tweet
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 @ROOTminus1: that all depends on your definition of racism doesn't it? The people who voted leave invariably are more likely to come from areas where immigration has been a factor. And wealthy remain voters usually live in ethnically homogenous areas. The richer and more "woke" you are the more unlikely it is that you will mix socially with people of other races.

That is true in the US, it's true in the UK and everywhere else. Its very easy to say everyone else is racist when the people making the decisions about immigration and cultural values clashing never have to deal with the consequences. The most impoverished demographic by a long distance in the UK are young white males in the old industrial towns. They are the same people who will be told they have white privilege by someone who has never left South London.

Basically they have been left behind. Of course they aren't going to do what the establishment wants them to. Why should they?

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 @humoroususername: I don't blame the impoverished for being angry, I was born and raised in one of those dead and dying former industrial towns. I hold nothing but contempt for the London elite, but what winds me up is the blind hatred from the impoverished white guy towards to the equally impoverished 3rd generation British nationalised Pakistani family living on the same street.
The red-top papers, the TV infesting shit-stains like Farrage and Morgan, and now-PM BoJo all fuelled a jingoistic rhetoric that the results of our own incompetent gov't, and the toxic hangover of our colonial past was all somehow the fault of Brussels/Strasbourg/Merkel/Macron.
All this hate for what? Less beaurocracy?! That worked out well
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 @oatkinso: So you propose political decisions should be based on how they affect professiinal mtb racers?
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 @humoroususername: Beautiful rant, and on point.
Psychology trumps intellect.
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 @oatkinso: you think global-wide lockdowns and recessions and some political convenience to explain away the true damage of Brexit? Despite this happening across Europe, North America, Australia, and many other countries, you think that in the UK, the true culprit is Brexit?
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 @betsie: what a bellend you are
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 @oatkinso: Bike trade is doing very well....
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 @sonuvagun: phobia, hysteria, and obsession have more explanatory power than Left-Right. My delusion is that this will be made conscious in the comments. Psychology has made little attempt to theorize drive. Vote Discord!
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 @humoroususername: totally true.
if he just drove he'd not have hadva problem.
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 @chakaping: "f*cking shower of c*nts running our country." Comment gold and brilliant phrase for a shitf*ckery situation.
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Thank you for your comment.
Pr!cks like you should just shut up ya fud.
Now f3k off back into your cave
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 @ceecee: a bit too abstract for me, but it's an interesting take you've got.
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 @sonuvagun: exiter phobia is misdirected and remainer trust is misplaced. What unites them?--ignorance. Who wins?--politicians and underwriters. Voting is authoritarian when it affirms the unity of a subject whose dreams never become nightmares. All these Unions--wishful lies. But a 'vote' for the lesser evil makes room for conversation. I too am sympathetic to humoroususername's fine observations
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 Brexit: from the same mindset that brings you antipathy to doing anything proactive about a worldwide pandemic and thinking Mexico will pay for a wall that will solve immigration problems.
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flag TotalAmateur (Aug 12, 2021 at 8:15) (Below Threshold)
 Antipathy about Proactivity regarding the pandemic, you mean like how everyone called Trump racist for locking down the country at the start of COVID while they said it wasn't that bad, then changed their tune to say that he didn't do it fast enough?
There has been so much political and scientific flip flopping over this issue it's no wonder people are fed up with listening to the so called 'experts'.
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 But we got a different colour passport and loads of jobs (although no one here wants to do them...). I'm sure there is one more positive thing too, but it escapes me. Frown
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 @TotalAmateur: I'm pretty sure locking the country down wasn't the reason that people were calling him racist.
I'd say they were calling him it because he's a racist c*nt.
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 @TotalAmateur: I think it was because of his racism that people call him racist.
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 @mattyb84: the fish!!!!! See not all grey clouds….there’s all the fish….we sell to the EU….but now can’t….
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flag harvUK (Aug 12, 2021 at 8:53) (Below Threshold)
 @mattyb84: what about the fact that if we stayed in the EU our population would be far less vaccinated?
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 @aido: I do like eating all the fish. Solid point. Totally worth it.
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 @harvUK: Please explain why that would be the case. Bearing in mind that EU member states have complete autonomy on their vaccination programs.
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 @harvUK: We had the option to opt out of the EU vaxx program, which i expect we would have. Just like we had the obtion to opt out of the Euro and most EU programs. Sorry.


"The UK could have followed the same course of vaccine action if it were an EU member
That said, none of these successes can be chalked up to Brexit. As the chief executive of the MHRA swiftly pointed out, Mr Hancock was wrong to say that the UK could approve the vaccine early because it was no longer subject to EU rules. The MHRA’s decision was taken in accordance with the relevant EU legislation, which allows member states to grant temporary authorisation for a medicinal product in response to the spread of infectious diseases (among others). [1] This legislation still applies to the UK until the end of the transition period. Any EU member state could have used the same provision of the legislation to approve the vaccine. They decided not to for political and technical reasons, not legal ones.

Similarly, the member states were in no way obliged to take part in the EU’s joint vaccine procurement scheme. The EU has very limited competences for public health under its founding treaties: it can take action only to “support, coordinate or supplement the actions of the Member States”. The EU member states in this case voluntarily decided to opt into the joint procurement scheme. If one or more of them had decided to follow the UK’s path and procure its own vaccines, no one would have stopped them."
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 @harvUK: we developed our vaccine program whilst still in the EU.
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flag harvUK (Aug 12, 2021 at 9:12) (Below Threshold)
 @Fix-the-Spade: EU coutries had to pool their rollout. which meant no one country could use more vaccines than another. the EU dragged their feet and didnt order any vaccines until months after we did which meant teh EU had to come up with a million and one excuses as to why they didnt have enough with them finally threatening to illegally take our supply direct from teh factory.

If we werent going through brexit then we would of been part of this rollout and super slow response. But as such we decided not to be involved with teh procurement scheme which is something Labour really wanted us to do.
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 @harvUK: Firstly, EU countries did not have to pool their rollout. As a matter of fact Germany, France, Hungary Slovakia, Demark and Austria have been going their own way. Meanwhile Norway, Iceland and Liechtenstein are not member states, but signed up to the EU's vaccine program anyway, because they could.
Secondly, the EU did not threaten to withhold the UK's vaccine supply. Ursula von der Leyen (President of EU Commision) actually said that if any countries blocked supply of vaccines into the EU, the EU would make a reciprocal move and block vaccines leaving the EU to them. The entire 'EVIL EUROPE THREATENS TO KEEP THE JAB FOR ITSELF,' was the British press doing what the British Press often do and making things up.
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 @redrook: I'm not sure that Trump is racist. I still prefer the narcissistic personality disorder diagnosis best. He would lock his own family in cages if it got him attention on TV. Trump was far more left politically until he realized that saying racist crap got people to chant his name.
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 @murfio: go look it up, they called him xenophobic when he grounded flights from China. you don't have to be a trump fan to be rational and acknowledge the flip flopping.
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 @redrook: you can pretty easily watch videos of all of those claims being refuted. and if you think Trump is racist by his remarks, you must rationally find Biden to be an outrageous racist.
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 @friendlyfoe: I think it's funny how many people that have no experience living in the US have such strong feelings bout his comments.
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 @TotalAmateur: It's almost like the things that happen in the US affect other countries too....
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 @friendlyfoe: ya and that the people that live there and elect leaders might know a bit more about the issues than you do.......lol how are people going to argue about border security that don't live in a border state? Yet we have people saying it's racist to close the border, even though thousands of unvaccinated possible COVID carriers are crossing the border everyday.
I'm not saying republicans have everything figured out by a long shot, but holy shit it's irritating hearing canadians/brits/insert disconnected citizen here, talk about how ridiculous certain policies are that you have no concept of the genesis, effects, or reception. You're limited to what you're provenly fictitious news sources report. You're all the epitome of the out of touch liberal white women looking at the problems outside of your neighborhood and your answer is 'let them eat cake'.
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 @friendlyfoe: I have opinions about Brexit, but I'm not going to tell someone who lives in the UK they're wrong about how they feel about it based on my limited exposure to selective facts. maybe that's a difference in etiquette, idk.
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 @TotalAmateur: Your own echo chamber doesn't necessarily represent that of others. Politics aside, new scientific findings changing the perception of the pandemic doesn't justify not listening to the experts because you don't like it.
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January 21: First US case confirmed the following day, Trump says at a news conference that the US has coronavirus “totally under control. It’s one person coming in from China, and we have it under control. It’s going to be just fine."
January 31: Trump blocks travel from China.Trump issues an executive order blocking entry to the US from anyone who has been in China in the last 14 days. It does not apply to US residents and family members or spouses of US residents or citizens. The order becomes effective on February 2.
Two weeks after the first case appears is not "at the start of covid"
Gawd you trumphumpers just hate reality and the truth, dontcha?

"Its one person, we have it under control"....
LOL, NOPE. how does it taste to swallow that crap from him day after day after day after day after day after day after day
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He wrote Trump was labelled as xenophobic when he had flights from China grounded, you say it's bullshit and go on to state Trump had flights from China grounded.
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 @sonuvagun: I'll make this simple for you "at the start" of something isnt two weeks after the first person walks through customs.
Who cares if he was labled xenophobic? If it was a threat, and it was, he did the right thing. (Are we really concerned if people are calling him names? He's the flipping Pres.)Except he did it two weeks late after claiming everything was going to be fine. Is everything fine?
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 @TotalAmateur: It's kind of misguided to think that because you have experience living in one particular part of the USA that you somehow have a better understanding of how the whole country feels than an outside observer. That actually is part of the problem. To pull up one of my favourite quotes "one of the most fundamental mistakes we make as humans is assuming everyone else is basically just like us".
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 @Lemmyschild: who are you arguing "at the start" with?

The claim was ine person was labelled racist for closing down flights from China, which he was.

Check your ego.
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 @friendlyfoe: If one assumes nothing and goes only with binary facts then he's more likely to be right than you.
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 @TotalAmateur: He may well be, but we're not talking about Biden. What you've just done is called whataboutism Wink
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 @Lemmyschild: LOL! you are arguing something totally different! I like how you COMPLETELY AVOIDED the fact that he was called racist for shutting the country down.

Lol democrats are just goldfish at this point that can't remember their arguments from the previous day and only accept what's fed into their bs tank by their handlers, aka MSM

If you look back I never claimed Trump had it under control, I just said dems called him a racist for doing something they later said he didn't do fast enough.

Nice straw man though, that's how every democrat argues nowadays, why defend your own ideas when you can attack something I never said Smile
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 @friendlyfoe: I never said that though, I said being in the country gives me a better understanding of the threats/challenges of living here than it does for someone out of state, not that living in a certain state taps me into the zeitgeist of our entire country. I'm not saying I know more how the country feels than you do, I'm saying I know more about our border situation than you do. I live right next to it, traverse it frequently, and have local coverage. What do you have, CNN?
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 @Lemmyschild: What was he going to say exactly? "Hey we're taking measures but FYI a lot of people are going to die". I'd love to hear an armchair qb take on how you or any other critic would have handled the lockdown better with a national news syndicate and every democrat opposing your every action/word.
but hey trump bad and old racist biden good right?
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 @looseygoosey: fauci has stated that masks don't work, and that they work. He has said that large gatherings can spread the virus, but not riots/protests.
You make sense of that shit. You accept the advise of 'experts' that claim 'I am science' and 'we know what's best for you'. I'm over here looking at the laundry list of crimes against humanity Pfizer has committed hoping for the worst side effects imaginable for y'all. god bless.
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 @redrook: lol as if that derails the convo? nope. Since we're establishing that the current president is also racist, then it begs the question why we care to accuse trump of being one? The democrats obviously approve of old racist white guys, so what's their beef with Trump being one exactly?
Hopefully that helps.
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 @sonuvagun: total amatuer is arguing "at the start."
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 @TotalAmateur: who cares if he was called a racist?
That's such a weak complaint. The guy was president; allegedly a billionaire. Powerful man, everyone agrees. Goes on and on about how strong he is and the tremendous power of the Presidency. Brags how how he doesn't care what people say in the fake news, etc, etc. People were calling him racist years ago. But now it matters?
Are you really trying to argue Trump had a good response to covid? He lost the Presidency over it.
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 @Lemmyschild: LOL! he lost the presidency because we had arguably the most corruptable election ever. We spent 4 years investigating Trumps victory and about 2 seconds investigating all of the suspicious AF activity surrounding Bidens election. I mean the head of the USPS union came out to support a bipartisan candidate, in a year with the highest mail in voting. Let that sink in, would you feel comfortable were the tables turned?

And my entire point is that you and every other democrat are trying to argue that he didn't handle it well, when it's clear if we followed the democrat lead we would have ignored the severity and got more people killed, and all the dems are doing are continuing Trumps playbook. Did Biden bring the vaccine to market? No, he just distributed them, unless you think the guy that can't read a teleprompter somehow has the wherewithall to materialize millions of vaccines from nothing.

I would love to hear how you would have handled anything differently, with the level of opposition and scrutiny. Please enlighten us, oh knower of proper lockdown protocols.
Seriously how has Biden donen anything different? Your argument defeats itself at every turn as soon as you look at the historical facts.

And I love how you're acting like 'so what it's just namecalling' when essentially that's what liberals complained about for years, lol. hey we have a senile old racist in the white house that is disintegrating the economy by the minute, but at least he doesn't write mean tweets! Just don't investigate his back door dealings or weird kid obsession....
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 @Lemmyschild: the left saying Trump didn't do enough for the vaccine but Biden did is like saying UPS made your Iphone not Apple because they're the ones who handed it to you. LOL, you must be lemmys child bc only a severe alcoholic parent explains your complete lack of information or awareness.
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 @Lemmyschild: I see those words no where in his posts. If it's there then you have my apologies.
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 @Lemmyschild: ahh it's in a hidden comment.
My apologies. That said, what time frame would you define as "the start" of Covid19 from an American perspective?
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 @sonuvagun: don't bother trying to reason, he's just going to say the usual "trump bad, he should have done better". lemmy has no answer for how anyone could have handled it better. he's saying trump didn't act soon enough when you had people like Pelosi encouraging people to go out and shop in China town because 'it's a racist scare tactic'. lemmy is just doing what every democrat is doing now and refusing to acknowledge that they may have overreacted and don't have the answers, while insisting you are wrong and your answers are wrong. If trump did everything wrong why are the only suggestions/action items Biden has suggested, exactly what Trump did already?
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 @sonuvagun: re read again.....i'm not gonna lead you to everything.
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 @TotalAmateur: Oh wow, all caps, last refuge for the triggered.
As to the election being corrupted: more bullshit winger talking points. Not even the judges Trump appointed could take the "evidence" Rudy and the krackens came up with seriously. Not even Trump's hand picked AG would take their ludicrius claims seriously.Or does Pillow Boy have all the real evidence? Lol.
He lost because he sucked as a president and he sucked as a president because he is a broken human. One term loser. Huuuuuuuuuge.
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 @TotalAmateur: "And about 2 seconds investing all of the suspicious AF activity surrounding Biden's election."

What suspicious activity? Republican judges, republican senators, everyone except for a handful of fascist Trump supporters agree it was one of the most secure elections that has ever taken place.
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 @TotalAmateur: you're f*cking blind.
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 @friendlyfoe: Trump's own election security guy said it was good. So Trump fired him. It's not a secret or anything.
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 @friendlyfoe: so we're going to ignore the fact that there was private equity held by democrats in the Dominion systems, and that the Union head for USPS came out in support of Biden? Ok. y'all are the biggest hypocrites imaginable lol. 'most secure elections ever' from the party that won't even require identification to ensure voter security. f*ck it I hope you guys get the communist dystopia you guys deserve lol. look at pretty much every major city run by liberals. that's your future, go nuts. SF, LA, Portland, Austin, Chicago, f*cking disasters.
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 @friendlyfoe: thefederalist.com/2021/07/29/postal-union-that-endorsed-biden-says-covid-vaccine-mandates-not-the-role-of-the-federal-government
so in a year with the highest mail in voting (pushed by dems bc somehow rioting was safe but voting wasn't), the union for MAIL CARRIERS AND DELIVERERS came out in support of a bipartisan candidate. can you honestly say that democrats wouldn't be having literal mental breakdowns if these same circumstances surrounded the trump election? and if we're so sure it was a legit election, why did they shut down even the probes into the case? again, glaring hypocrisy mixed with idiocy, and now half the people that supported that biden are regretting it and the other half are playing dumb like their burning house is fine lol,.
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 @TotalAmateur: no. "Most secure election" from Trump's own handpicked elections supervisor. Getta grip. Plenty of violent GQP jurisdictions out there. Louisiana, Alabama, South Carolina highest violent crime rates in the country, all red states. You really need a new narrative.
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 @Lemmyschild: per cap maybe, but also you're just focusing on violent crime rate. how about income disparity, quality of life, homelessness rate, pollution rate, etc. there is literally an app to report human feces in SF. I'll go to any of the places you listed over LA and SF lol. Why am I going to listen to a couple of people giving input when no formal investigation has gone on? why are people so opposed to investigating this election? Wouldn't you welcome it?
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 @TotalAmateur: the exact same local governmemt entities and election boards that examined and certified Trump's election in 2016 examined and certified Bidens win in 2020. You can't get around the fact that Trump appointed judges threw out his "evidence" because it wasnt actually evidence of anything.
Just quit. It was stolen, and it wasnt antifa at the Capitol on 1.6.21.
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 @TotalAmateur: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_by_Gini_coefficient

Louisiana and Alabama along with a bunch of other red states near the bottom for income disparity.


Louisiana, Alabama, Mississippi and a bunch of ther red states, dead last.

New York CA Florida and Texas, not exactly a blue state parade. And if you dig into those stats the situation is getting worse in the south.

But yeah a poop app for S.F.....
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 @TotalAmateur: you might as well quote Breitbart or the national Enquirer.
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 @Lemmyschild: lol ya god forbid people storm the capitol, way better when the burn and loot their neighborhoods but don't hurt our politicians! dem values are so f*cked lol.
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 @Lemmyschild: dude you can't use gini coefficient to just touch on income disparity, it's a coefficient built off of several variables. this is pointless arguing if you're going to warp every response to refute a point that I haven't made lol. if you're honestly happy with Biden as a president especially with his past month of f*ck ups then you're either a sadist or an idiot, I'll leave you figure out where you are.
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 @fruitsd79: ah the old attack the source not the content, top notch rebuttal sir. also, here is a better study done on income disparity and lo and behold, New york number 1.
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 @Lemmyschild: welp not gonna lie I typed a big ol response with a bunch of stats and then I closed the tab on accident and I honestly don't care enough about educating the ignorant so I'll keep it to A) that's not how you use a gini coefficient you dolt, income disparity is just a variable in that equation and the end result is not indicative solely of any of the variables. So there is your first fail.
b) quality of life ties directly into the per capita discussion so I think it's important to note that in states with higher overall wealth, you still have a greater number of homeless, which shows the old 'bleeding heart' dem values are obviously not matriculating into the physical world, whereas the states you mentioned are poor to begin with and there are a litany of historical reasons for that.
c) violent rapes are highest in border states, just like homelessness, interesting, almost like super weak borders during a viral pandemic and drug epidemic are a bad idea.....do dems care about unvaxxed illegals? and the bubonic plague has been found in Skid Row. And with how blue Austin is, not surprised about that one.
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 @TotalAmateur: when the source is shit.
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 @TotalAmateur: oh yeah, okay. So believable.
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 @fruitsd79: when his brain is shit....
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 @TotalAmateur: oh look. the table I cited showing income inequality that you attacked as somehow invalid has the same number one, New York, as the study you cited. Weird.
Don't worry Brohan. Mexico DID pay for the free wall, Your boy WAS Man of the year in Michigan. George Washington DID take over the airports during the revolutionary war. And Ivanka? Oh yeah. "She does have a very nice figure... If [Ivanka] weren't my daughter, perhaps I'd be dating her."
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 @Lemmyschild: lol are you this thick? I said you can't use the Gini coefficient to represent a cities standing based on one variable. If you don't understand what the Gini is why did you use it? And ya, New york has the highest income inequality, that was my point. Are you huffing glue over there or something?
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 @fruitsd79: keep attacking the source not the content, it makes you look soooooo smart and righteous. go burn a 711 down for racial justice cuck
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 @TotalAmateur: your orange turd lost the election and mike lindell is a stupid f*cker.
I don't know your excuse.
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 @fruitsd79: bro your candidate is a senile old racist profiteer politician, you really do support what you purport to despise. Did he bring back bombings in the middle east on civilians? Check. Is he causing massive inflation? Check. Is he leaving the borders open for potential thousands of unvaccinated illegal immigrants to come into the country? Check. Did he go back to putting kids in cages? Check. Did he effectively eliminate female competitive sports by allowing transgender athletes to compete as women? Check. Did he have shady business dealings through surrogate family members? Check. Can he barely complete a coherent sentence? Check. Can he fall UP stairs? Check. I can go on forever lol, this guy is a f*cking walking meme and any dem who still supports him is either on that good glue or just too stubborn to admit they effed up. Or they just aint black!
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 @TotalAmateur: Biden was not the choice of candidate for a LOT of people who voted democrat, but the fact that literally anyone thinks leaving Trump in power would be a good idea is beyond reason. I don't know how to tell you this but as soon as you've picked a side you're already wrong.
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 @friendlyfoe: lol ya that darned booming economy was SO TERRIBLE! name 3 things that have improved since Biden took office. I'll wait. You essentially voted someone out because you are spoon fed hysteria media that fixated on every little thing Trump did, from mean tweets to shutting down travel during COVID that he was later called racist for. I don't know how to tell you this but you bought the bridge, you drank the coolaid, you swallowed the hook line and sinker, and you support a total stinker lol. the only thing Biden has on trump is that he doesn't put out targeted tweets but that's more because the guy can't form a coherent sentence without someones hand up his ass working his mouth. seriously democrats should be ashamed of themselves having this guy in office is borderline elder abuse. PS i love how you can't defend/refute anything I said and you just have to resort to "orange man bad". you are a perfect representation of your ideas.
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 @friendlyfoe: nypost.com/2021/08/11/inflation-stays-high-as-prices-leap-5-4-percent-from-year-ago

it's crazy, it's like printing money, incentivizing unemployment, and leaving borders wide open in a national health and financial crisis is a bad idea or something.....but hey no mean tweets! If you don't support inflation you aint black!
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 @TotalAmateur: Trump took over an already booming economy and did nothing to improve it further. Tax cuts to corporations and the rich have created a massive deficit that is 100% his fault. The fact that you don't realize that is part of the problem. Like I said if you've picked a side you're already wrong.
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 @friendlyfoe: "took over a booming economy" f*cking LOOOOOOL, ok ya if we're just gonna make jokes then this is pointeless
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 @TotalAmateur: You really live in an alternate reality. Down Jones twice as high as it had ever been when Trump took over. Increased another 50% under Trump. American economy has been booming for a while. Oh and most of the growth under Trump was in the form of tax cuts to corporations so now you have no money to fix your bridges and educate your population, both things you're desperately in need of.

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 @TotalAmateur: remember, he knows more than you about where you live because he doesn't live there. The msm gives him only the facts he needs.
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 @friendlyfoe: so the economy only after less than a year is doing great. and you want to say that was Biden? You literally said it yourself, "the economy has been booming for a while" ya no shit, like the last 4 years especially. And ya lets make sure we spend some money on infrastructure while we send billions overseas under the guise of "COVID relief". I swear the left has to go through such mental contorting to make any point.
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 @friendlyfoe: also lol at you using the DOW Jones to show market health, when it's the possibly the most volatile market out there.
Maybe look at the inflation and CPI rise?
you know, the data that shows how Biden is ACTUALLY doing....

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 @friendlyfoe: americans left behind, inflation rising, inability and lack of permission to even answer questions outside the 'approved' talking points. you support a muppet. inflation going up and up....
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 Actions --> Consequences
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flag ceecee (Aug 12, 2021 at 8:50) (Below Threshold)
 Consequences --> interpretation
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 if only the europeans had a word for schadenfreude
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flag mi-bike (Aug 12, 2021 at 8:13) (Below Threshold)
 Schadenfreude over a MTB racer not being able to race due to visa issues fully outside his control? Nein danke!

England beating Germany with two late goals during Euro 2000? Now that was the schadenfreude we all deserve.
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 @mi-bike: man, your football comment is so 2014.

btw. I was shocked when that happened, no Schadenfreude back then or now.
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 We Swedes do and we’re still in Europe last time I checked. But “skadeglädje” does not roll off the tongue as smooth as schadenfreude.
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 @mi-bike: he's pleasured on the fantasy of Continental revenge joy. Très Wien
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 We have ... in italian the right word is "aticofilia"
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 "with the consulate making it up as they go" Yep - that's the worst part - nobody you speak to ever knows what's going on. No consistent message.
Really feel for you Jamie! Good luck for Lenzerheide!
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 Probably because the entire thing was made up as they went along, the consulate have just been dropped in it. The gammon never expected to win, so they had no plan for anything. Now it has happened, the impossibility of carrying on as normal is becoming increasingly apparent.
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 @redrook: yup, absolutely no argument from me
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flag harvUK (Aug 12, 2021 at 8:59) (Below Threshold)
 @redrook: "gammon" is an offensive, racist and derogatory term
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Another whining snoutflake. Boo f*cking hoo.
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flag harvUK (Aug 12, 2021 at 9:24) (Below Threshold)
 @teethgrinder: what's a snoutflake?
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 @harvUK: Gammon. Pig. Snout. You connect the dots.
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 @getonyourbike: guess people on this thread like a bit of racism
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 @harvUK: oh bugger off. Whack job right wingers have been boasting about how "only" white people can have blood in face and using it as a demarcation between them and other races. Now that it has been co opted and turned back on you as an insult suddenly your feelers are dinged up?
LOL. Go cry a river of tears gammon boi.
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 @harvUK: you’re a thin skinned fool, who doesn’t realise that racism is structural discrimination against a minority group, not insults directed at puce skinned white men. Do yourself a favour, make the best of the empty supermarket shelves and knock one out over Pritti Patel.
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 Woah, who could have predicted this
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 Possibly the millions of people who don't live in European countries and all have these same restrictions?
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 Enjoy Brexit !
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flag harvUK (Aug 12, 2021 at 8:57) (Below Threshold)
 we are enjoying it thank you. we got vaccinated much quicker which was great for my elderly relatives and now we are enjoying trading goods and services with the rest of the world instead of just with the who the EU say we can. We have also overtaken France in the world rankings which is also enjoyable.
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 @harvUK: rankings for what?
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 @harvUK: Plz show me on this graph where Brexit started to affect UK GDP: www.macrotrends.net/countries/GBR/united-kingdom/gdp-growth-rate
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 @harvUK: Good, I hope we do continue to do well, but that jump has nothing to do with Brexit, and more to do with taking more risks with the economy during covid, which I do think is the correct thing to do. We've opened up quicker because we had a good vaccine program (not improved by brexit, as cited in the other thread).
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flag harvUK (Aug 12, 2021 at 9:20) (Below Threshold)
 @mattyb84: i would argue that brexit helped to streamline our rollout because our mindset changed from being part of a group of nations to doing it alone. also I didnt say that the jumping over was because of brexit just that it also happend Smile
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 @harvUK: So glad we can now go and get free trade agreements with tiny economies on the other side of the planet, rather than the absolutely huge one right on our doorstep.
The money saved by having free trade with Albania an Cameroon totally offsets the cost of tariffs to continue accessing our largest (and closest) export market, that the country's economy has spent 40 years growing around.
Not to mention the environmental impact of trying to trade with countries 1000s of miles away, rather than on the doorstep.

All come about because Cameron wanted to sweep up a few right wing votes from UKIP, and the lies, scaremongering and right wing propaganda managed to swing a tiny majority.
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 @mattyb84: being gammonish douchbags?
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 @harvUK: the UK has never actually wanted to be part of the EU but has enjoyed for years the situation of "standing with one foot in two shoes". From simple rules such as units of measurement to one-to-one agreements with the United States.
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 ".... 3 applications + 2 different work permits and working on it since the last race it’s still not come through in time."

Sir, you'll need to file the paperwork to get the paperwork that will authorize you to submit the permit you'll need to file for a visa application.Government at its best, gfc....the Vogons must be pleased
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 Problem is he didn’t contact the department of redundancy department in time
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 Norton’s Covid, Gwinn’s religion, and Brexit? PB homepage is the triple threat Idealogical Battleground today.
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 PB better drop a bike review ASAP or things are going to get ugly, lol
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 @SATN-XC: But what if they review a $15'000 Yeti and things get even uglier?
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 @Fix-the-Spade: haha, good point...but that may be the red meat we need, at least the comments will shift to dentists and ebikes instead of Brexit, COVID, and Religion....it is a bike site after all.
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 Just incase you forgot
Only 1/3rd of the country voted to leave.......
f*ck Brexshit
f*ck the tories
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 Brexit = Shit.
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 Or brexshit
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 Well that sucks
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 Brexit is the gift that keeps on giving. Seems more planning is needed as reading on a tourist visa as a pro athlete strikes me as optimistic
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 I'm not pro-Brexit, by a long way, believe me, but isn't this just one guy who didn't plan his time properly? Other UK riders have got there fine. Yes, pre-Brexit a UK citizen could travel how they wanted within the EU, which we'll all miss at some point, but now it takes just a little more planning and forward thinking. If you travel else where in the world you also have to plan accordingly and get the right documents. To his final point, there are plenty of good training facilities in the UK - if perhaps a bit wetter in the winter/spring - but they're not slowing the other guys down.
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 hard to plan when the people you need to confirm things don't know themselves. Add in being a freelancer (some may well not be), pre-season, changing rules (see the German internship rules etc) and you can see why it might be a struggle. if you're a lone outfit, getting your head around all this is not going to be easy - other (bigger) teams will have people dedicated to this sort of thing (T-Mo does it for all of TFR for example)
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 You ever applied for a visa? Very unpredictable timeframes, I've had some take a week, others still in progress after 11 months..
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 So...Who's gonna be in the race? It seems that everyone is pulling out
  • 7 0
 This looks like my only shot to win a world cup... hold my beer!
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 Add to that the huge number of riders already out of contention due to earlier injuries and we will be lucky to see a dozen able riders at the event.
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 @winko: here's a Lasko
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 Hey, young generation, is this the world you want to live in? Because you're the only ones who can change that.
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 73% of people under 24 voted to remain.
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 @johannjenkinson: Wasn’t it like only 15% of all people under 24 years of age bothered to vote? No one lives in a perfect democracy, but you gotta get involved!
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 sounds like they don't want to Iive in a world that has an UNELECTED body ordering them what to do in their country . sounds like a great generation.
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 Why didnt he just sneak in? For example fly in and out of switzerland and pass through on the many unmanned bord crossings into the eu? Iv lived and worked all over europe and literally never registered myself anywhere or announced my entry
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 Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't this something that Slovenia has more control over? Aren't they the ones that are mandating all of the additional Visa requirements, or is that coming from the UK? (totally ignorant of Brexit details over here)
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 yeah...but I'm sure Slovenia requires that of any visitor from a none EU country....this is what happens when you leave the club and vote to restrict the free movement of people and goods...restrictions (ie lots of paperwork) are a two way street
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 No, visa requirements are consistent across the EU, that's kind of the point. Countries cannot make exceptions. And why would they? Why should people from the UK enjoy the benefits of the club without being in it? It's what many people have been saying the entire time but were never listened to, and now here we are.
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flag harvUK (Aug 12, 2021 at 9:03) (Below Threshold)
 @redrook: If scotland won its independence then you would of left the EU before the UK did LMAO and here you are complaining about the exact same thing
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 @harvUK: correct me if I'm wrong, but if Scotland won its independence....wouldn't it have stayed in the EU? or am I thinking Northern Ireland (and/or both)?
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 @harvUK: an yet here they are asking for another referendum so Scotland can rejoin the EU.......
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 @SATN-XC: if scotland won they would have to apply to join the EU because it was the UK that was a member, not scotland. Spain said they would veto it because they arent big enough of a nation and if they did decide to change their mind and allow them to join then they would ahve to use the Euro as currency.
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 @SATN-XC: TLDR version is Scotland would have left the EU when it left the UK. But could have applied to join the EU as an independant country before splitting from the UK and potentially have left then re-joined seamlessly. The EU would more than likely have accepted them, but since the vote went the other way it was never put to the test.
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 @harvUK: Spain only threatened to veto because they don't want Catalan and Basque regions getting ideas of independence. The Scots had a better claim of rejoining the EU as an independent nation than many other applicant countries have
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 @harvUK: As the result of the referendum shows, we didn't. So your implication of my hypocrisy is based on what? One of the main reasons a majority voted to remain in the UK was because we were in the EU and so a need for change in the status quo was not necessary.
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 @SATN-XC: Yes you are correct, if Scotland had voted for independence in 2014 we would have most likely remained in the EU, or had an expedited application which would have coincided with the separation date.

If we gained independence now we would have to apply for membership as any other country would.
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 @redrook: well I guess I'm still a bit lost on the requirements. Seems like they should just check his passport and move on? and tbh if this racer is a professional, they should have the full run down of travel requirements already. I mean the odds of them racing somewhere in the EU are pretty high, so idk why you'd leave something like that undone.
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 @TotalAmateur: Well no because we're not in the EU anymore, so he needs a visa to work there, which was not a requirement before. Checking his passport and moving on was what they could have done prior to Brexit.
I totally agree they (the UK) should have, but it's all a gaint clusterf**k. They should have done a lot of things but this isn't on the EU, it's on the UK. We should have arranged and planned for so many things but we have not.
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 @redrook: ahh well then could he easily enter with just a passport if it wasn't a work trip?
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 @TotalAmateur: No, as the article says "As Jamie is self-employed, contracted to his team as a freelancer, he was travelling as a tourist and was only allowed to spend 90 days out of 180 Visa-free". The issue is that he now does not have a visa to work there, which is now required because we're not in the EU. Prior to Brexit a visa was not required because people could move around and work freely within the EU.
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 @redrook: ahh I see thanks for the breakdown. Well hopefully someone concedes, it seems like the rest of the EU is cutting its nose off to spite its face. I get the UK is sort of the genesis of this f*ck up but if someone is making it harder for you to do business idk if making it harder on yourself to spite them is the move.
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 Ze bloody Germans! Work work work...

A real shame this hasn't worked out for Jamie yet, and even more so because he was/is on top of the paperwork he needs to file. Stay healthy mate!
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 4000 comments later..... I might be the first person to say that its a real shame he had to miss the race.

As soon as I saw the article I groaned at the thought of a whole bunch of people from different nations who mostly voted for populism enjoying seeing populism failing in another country.

Laughing from your ivory tower as your own country slides into authoritarian rule (Poland) or your country politicised vaccines and left millions to their fate in Afghanistan while they beat their brows about crazy right wing idiots invading your capitol buildings or sitting on 6x the number of vaccines you need to cover your population (thats you Canada) and not sharing is simply the height of hypocrisy.

Enjoying other peoples misfortune is uncilvilised. This was an article about an athlete not getting a visa. Other British riders did, because they have big teams and managers to do it, so its not necessarily a Brexit issue.

Anyone would think Pinkbike put the word brexit in the header because of the desire to get a bunch of comments on the article......
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 brexit, injurys and whatever else. Pinkbike front page filling up with loads of racers not being able to race this weekend.
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 Time for an Irish passport
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 Time for a Scottish passport
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 Of all the reasons: injury, illness, covid, etc, this is the dumbest reason forcing someone to miss a race.
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 You’re not wrong...
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 All this Brexit talks can be summed up in a Croatian proverb:
"Poslije jebanja nema kajanja."

It roughly translates to: "No regrets after f*****g."
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 croatians are gorgeous though it's no wonder there are rarely regrets lol
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 Some notorious Brexit voters on Pinkbike conspicuous by their absence
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 " As he had been training in Europe in the pre-season and then doubling up racing the World Cups and EWS he exceeded this limit and was left trying to find other ways to gain entry."

so his own fault then - should have came back to the UK to save the days and apply for a visa sooner.

Also isn't he breaking the law using a tourist visa to and then "working".
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 Or Leave this crap hole for good.......
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 @nojzilla: well we are trying but Boris is scared Wink
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 As hard as it is for the youngsters to hear these days... you are correct. Sometimes the youngsters have to accept responsibility and accountability for their actions rather than looking to blame someone else. Its a life lesson, harsh as that sounds, getting things wrong is all part of growing up.
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 I’d always planned to get a visa, that was the plan otherwise I wouldn’t have ridden my dh bike till may because of COVID restrictions.

I’m paid in the uk, pay taxes in the uk and live in the uk. I get paid for “marketing services” not to actually race specifically. If I’d been able to get a work visa I would have but I’d need to be employed by an eu company, living in Europe, paying tax there and making minimum wage for said country.
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I know its a pants situation with Brexit and COVID and the restrictions that has imposed but now we no longer have the freedom of borderless travel in the EU we have hoops to jump through for what was once simple travel. Sucks as it messes with nice winter holidays for so many!

Did you not know the visa situation or suspect what it might be in advance before you went over to Europe for part of the off season?
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 @betsie: I knew as much as I could have known from emails with the consulate and online research, my appointment to apply was the day I got home so I couldn’t have planned it much more but even when I was at the consulate they didn’t really know what I could or should be applying for
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Do you know now what to apply for and the timelines involved and the probability of success?
If you had not have travelled over winter to train in Europe would you be ok still now?

Its a shame that the team could not have helped you out with more information or advice/support. The "your on your own" message seems to be prevalent in some companies, having been on both sides of the travel support infrastructure whilst working in R&D for one of the worlds largest companies and one of the largest oil and gas service companies, the differences in company help is unbelievable across companies.

I hope that you can get something sorted for the future, its great for this area having elite riders from the area and promoting the sport, but we need you racing and getting results.
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 @jamieedmondson: This is the problem. You contact government agencies to ask pertinent questions and no one can give you an answer because nothing has been thought through. It's a cluster f*ck of magnificent proportions. It must be crap for someone in your situation, best of luck for the rest of the season.
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 @betsie: In future I plan to never step into a visa office if I can avoid it.

There still isn’t a visa option that works without the work of a lot of people (you have to get a eu company to give you a job basically)

If I hadn’t gone abroad to train in the off season I would be okay now but would have had very little bike time before when the races should have started.

The team went above and beyond to help me how they could but there’s only so much they can do.

Unfortunately I can see the north of Scotland losing its elite riders in the future as there’s little to no downhill in the winter so it’s hard to compete with those down south and abroad
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Road riding went the same way for riders up here, then Dh for a while folk would look to move to Inners. Even that doesnt look like as good an option as Wales is with the quantity of tracks in Wales.
Shame as we have so many hills up here, just not the weather of foot fall on them to facilitate tracks everywhere. Maybe the mast does, but that is about it. Imagine an uplift service there, would be so good.
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 Wonder if all those ranting about Brexit etc have considered how it is that the other riders who do similar training routines in Europe have managed To be in Slovenia.
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 It reads as him being self employed, rather than getting a salary from a team, is the difference here. Presumably none of the other British privateers have clocked up as much time in Europe as he has.
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 That's explained in the article.
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 There's quite a few US throwing mud at the British for voting in Boris. Cough Trump, cough Bush..
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 Welcome to reality
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 how many british posting under this article actually voted on brexit?
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 I voted for brexit
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 I did, and voted the correct way, that's why I'm not bitter
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 You can tell by the downvotes what the general sentiment is now Wink it was snakeoil on a national scale, and the credulous are too proud to admit they were conned.
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 You Scots, just come back 3
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 After reading some of the absolute shite above I hope Pinkbike do put this behind a paywall. Just saying...
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 f*ck you if you voted to leave! You are a racist idiot. All it’s done since it’s happened (as we knew it would) is f*ck everything up.
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 How does voting leave make one racist??
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 @dotman: if you don't understand how then it means you're a racist.

-That is the actual thought process.
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Here I am wondering about all the European countries that aren’t in the European Union in the first place because they never opted in…all racist ?

Or is it all Bullshit and shouldn’t even be brought to mention in mountain biking, just go shred ffs
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 @sonuvagun: just curious as to which race I have descriminated by voting to leave the European Union? Its an unelected parliament of failed politicians ffs
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 @dotman: As opposed to an elected parliament of failed politicians.
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 @commental: at least its one less level of failed politicians
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 @dotman: that was full-blown sarcasm on my end.
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 Who’s Jamie Ed....what
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 Sounds like he was just not organised. You want to travel and work, reality.
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 Dats Tuff !
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